EP401 — Snow College XC with Coach Chase Englestead: Building a Top-10 NJCAA Program, Utah Distance Culture, Lydiard Roots & JUCO Pathways - Airey Bros.'s Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
No filler. This is Chase Inglestead and you're listening to
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
Ladies and gentlemen, how do you Aloha? Welcome to another
episode of Airy Brose Radio. We are here, you were there,
and you are now rocking with the best, and we
greatly appreciate you tuning in for another episode. Tonight, we're
stepping back on to the cross country course to lace
up the spikes with none other than the snow college
head coach, Chase Inglestead. But before we get rolling, y'all

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not forget while we're here over here at aery Brose Radio,
We're here to shine a light on the programs and
coaches we wish we had access to when we were
coming up through the recruiting process. If you were someone
you know who was looking for the right fit at
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of tonight's guest coach, Chase Engelstead. He was hired in
twenty twenty four to launch snow Coyles men's and women's

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cross country programs. In just two years, the men are
ranked sixth and the women are ranked seventh in the
most recent national NJCAA poll. With fourteen years at Riverton
High School, they mass five region titles, the twenty fourteen
Track and Field Championships and the twenty twenty two Running
Lane National Team Championships. They also participate in Nike Cross Nationals,

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with the top ten finish in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
He was a.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Coach of the Year a us TFCCCA in twenty fourteen
and a UHSXCA Coach of the Year in twenty two
twenty two. As an athlete at Utah Valley, he was
a two time cross country Athlete of the Year and
the school record holder in the fifteen hundred meters and
the steeplechase and NJCAA All American in the steeple chase

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as well. Coach Ingles said, without further ado it is
an honor, a pleasure to have your joining us this evening.
You We do greatly appreciate your time. Welcome to the show,
Thank you, thanks for having me on You guys, absolutely
honored to chat with you. We're excited to get to
know a little bit more about Snow College. And secretly,
I have coaches from Texas and Utah. We schedule regularly

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because I'm trying to convince Jimmy to relocate to one
of those states. So we're going to put some good
vibes out there with what you're going to tell us tonight.
But before we do get too far ahead of ourselves,
anything you would like to plug or promote anywhere you
want us to send recruits, any parents that have questions,
anything that you want to put out there for Snow
College or the floor is yours.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, So if you, if you parents, or anybody's looking
for information, just go to Snow College's website and athletic
website and you should be able to find anything to
contact me. So I think that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, we'll put all that stuff in the show notes
for you. And the way we like to kick things
off here coach two ways. The first one is we
like to present through lines to our guests to let
them know how they came on to our radar. Obviously,
you guys are doing great things in the polls and
running well this year. But coach Isaac Wood is a
friend of the podcast, and he mentioned Snow College recently

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when we had him on. He's now at the University Pacific.
He was talking about the good things that you got
going on there, So shout out to coach would for
putting you on our radar and getting us dialed in
with everything you got going on. The other thing we
like to do, we like to hear origin stories. You know,
we all have our origin stories to the sport. How

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that brought us to the game in terms of coaching.
We talked a little bit briefly before we were logging
on here. But coach, what's your origin story to the
sport and how did that lead you to coaching?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know if I
can keep it brief. So I grew up in a
little town in southern Utah called Penguich, same same school
as Whitney or in Ritney Morgan. She's ran for BYU Olympian.
Another my track coach at the time, Troy Norris. His
boy was also a really good steepler from there. He
ran thirty nine in the steeple. So, you know, so

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I'm from that little town we've had we have a
pretty rich history of sports down there. Yeah, so essentially
for me, I grew up played a ton of sports.
My grandpa was a basketball coach at the college level,
my uncle's coach for years as well. Yeah, sports is
a huge part of our family. And I played everything,

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and but I was tiny, Like most distance runners, they
just not cut for maybe some of those the mainstream sports.
But I loved them and kind of sat the bench.
And most of the sports I played, I made the teams,
but didn't really play that much. My sophomore year, my
dad forced me to run track. Sophomore track season, and yeah,

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essentially because my dad, I did what he told me
to do reluctantly, and so I anyway, I joined the team.
The coaches like, I think you're a distance runner. So
he puts me in the eight hundred. We go down
and do my very first eight hundred race and he
sees me in eight hundred like, I don't know, it's
pretty slow, Like two fifty or something like that. He
puts me in the seat time, so I get put
in the really slow heats and then one of my

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buddies he gets put in a faster heat with a
faster time, and I was like kind of kind of
the same thing with like other sports. I felt like
I should be playing more in those other sports, but
I felt like I was always overlooked, and so I
was a little bit. I was kind of a little
bit bitter at the moment, you know, like, oh, man,
like this is dumb. I'm way fashioned this kid, and
he's put me in this slower time. And anyway, so

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we go race and I ended up running a two
seventeen and my friend runs I don't know, it's two
forty something that I can't wrote it was, And it
was cool because it was a really cool aha moment
for me whereas like I controlled my destiny where another
sports I felt like I didn't. And so yeah, I
just felt some freedom. I felt control, and it was

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kind of like that was kind of my first like
love for the sport where I felt like I had Yeah,
if I if I worked hard, then I got the results,
and if I didn't work hard, I didn't get the results,
and if I didn't perform, it was my fault, and
if I did perform, it was my fault. And I
loved it. There was no coach to blame, there was
no official to blame, there was no politics. It was

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just raw and pure and I love that. And it
was really easy to get addicted to running. After that,
I still played other sports. It just running became the
thing that was my thing. So it's kind of the
origin of me starting. Yeah, after high school. After high
school pretty late. Actually, I was quent to Little Town,

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so we weren't a kid We don't run very much.
I was probably running twelve miles a week in high
school maybe so maybe five days a week two to
three miles. We alwaysol crushed. It was run as fast
as we could, you know, on every single run. And
I got in it was like May, right before school
year ended. I told my dad I was really interested
in running in college, and so I sent letters off
to different coaches. Only one that responded was a junior

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college coach. It was a UVSC, so it was right
now uvsc's UVU. I went up and talked to the coach.
He's like, yeah, I'll give you a walk on spot,
you know, and I went up there and just rest
was history once I got around people. When I was
in high school, it was pretty much me. I just
ran by myself. Every workout was by myself, every run
was by myself. And when I got up to college,

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it was nice because I actually had people to run
with and train with, and went up from twelve miles
to sixty miles a week my first year at UVSC,
and yeah, I ended up taking it. Started the season
probably between fifth and eighth on the team, so I
traveling but wasn't in the top group. And by the
end I was the number one runner and took sixth

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at Junior College Nationals and All Americans Steeple later year
and anyways, ended up being a really good experience. So
from there and then they went D one. After that
they went to they transitioned to a D one NCAA
D one program and so yeah, stayed there until I
was done.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
But so you were you were there through the transition
from a junior college to four year institution. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
what was that experience?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Like? Yeah, it was good. So yeah, so I'm from Utah,
so I actually so in two thousand and two two
thousand and three was kind of my that was kind
of my year to run. And then I left on
my l S mission and then I came back out
of shape and overweight, and uh, and by that time
they'd already transitioned. They'd been transitioned for a year and

(08:43):
a half or two years or whatever. And then yeah,
it was good. I got back into shape and it
was different for sure, and now I was Yeah, so
it was good though, But no, it wasn't super part
of a transition. I don't think. I think it was
pretty natural, but it was a little hard because they
got put on probation for six years or whatever where

(09:05):
they can't compete at a national at a national championship.
And so my sophomore year, I think I hit a
qualifying mark to run first rounds of Nationals in the steeplechase,
ran some nine and and then but I couldn't run
D one, which was pretty tough actually to like, I
couldn't actually compete at the national championships because EUV was

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on probation until I actually graduated. The year I graduated,
they were all officially so. But anyways, yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
I think.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Went along there, did you decide you was coaching something
that was on your radar as you're coming through running
and stuff like that, or is that how did that
come about?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
For?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah? Actually as computer science major originally, and my grandpa
got inducted into the Coaches Hall of Fame in Utah,
and so I went through his meeting and he's he's hilarious.
He just awesome coach, awesome guy. And he's at as
he's at his inductee park. I mean, they were supposed
to all the inductees that got inductor as supposed to
talk ten minutes, and my grapha gets the lady before

(10:05):
my grapa talked for like forty five minutes. And my
grandpa gets up and he's like, he's like, my dad
told me to a speech. A good speech starts, has
a beginning, and has an end, and the closer they
are to each other, the better. And everyone started laughing,
and I was like, Oh, it'd be so cool to
like follow my grandpa's footsteps, and so I switched my major.
My college coach wasn't super happy because I was just

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barely eligible credit wise because I switched majors, but it
was that was my determining factor was that day, I
was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna coach for the rest
of my life. And so my uncle Kay also coaches
insanely good coach. He's on his fifty fifth year of
coaching right now, which is insane. So I think he's
retiring this year though, so I have to make it.
The goal is to be the longest ingleshtead coach, So

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I got I got another a little bit was to go.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
So, but coach, you built quite the program at Ruverton
High School. What was that like starting that program and
then seeing it go to the heights that it went to.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good question. Yeah we started started,
and there have been some good coaches before me, but yeah,
I like the guy that hired me was amazing. They
had an amazing track program they but just hadn't had
a really good distance program up until that point. And
I think I lucked into some really really good kids

(11:25):
my first year's there that bought into want into work
hard and they wanted to be good and those kids
set the culture and after that it was just good
from there. So I just just some I feel like
I got into I got lucked into some really amazing
kids that set the culture at a high standard, and yeah,
it was good. But I think my first year there
was eight girls on the team and there was probably

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fifteen boys or something like that. And the fastest team
average they ever had was on the state course in
Utah was like sixteen fifty five or something like that
as a team on the east side, and most of
the years didn't even qualify for state as a team.
First year we averaged sixteen fifty with the very first year,

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and the next year we have sixteen ten I think
on the state course, and then the next year we
took fifth at Nike Regionals, So we had a pretty
big and the first time we went down to Nike
Regionals was that year before that and we took twelfth,
and then the next year we took fifth, and yeah,
just a it's a really good progression that we felt like. So.
But the furtherest run I think they went on it
was about six miles, and we kind of gradually built

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them up, but they had a plan to run a
twelve mile running the schedule and they were like, we
could just go thirteen. It was like the biggest deal
ever for them to go thirteen miles on a distance day,
you know, a long run, and so they did it
and it was like the talk of the school. Riverton
High School was talking all about how they went. They
did a half bear thought portrayed it was. It was
really funny. It was really cute to see how those

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guys like just caught into the vision.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
And yeah, but anyways, I remember those days when ten
miles was a far run and he thought it was
like the end of the world. So I can relate
with that. You had quite the program. There were you
looking at going to college for coaching wise or did
something just pop up for you at SNOW?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, so Snow's kind of a few things. So yeah,
I when I was so, I was my first year
after I graduated, I stayed and volunteered at EVU for
a little bit, so just worked with the steeplechase kids
and just ran with them for about a year. And
I felt like I felt like for me to progress
as a coach, I felt like I had to go

(13:31):
to the high school level, have my own team, build
my own program. And I just didn't feel like the
route of being a volunteer college coach was gonna help
me grow as good. And so yeah, I transitioned to
transition to the high school coaching from there because I
felt like that was the best, the best route. Anyways,

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what was the question, Holy cal what did I were.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
You looking after building that program?

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
We are you looking at leaving?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah? So the goal the goal was for me initially
was just ten years coaching in high school level and
then try to attempt to go to a D one
or coach go back and coach at the college level.
But I wanted that experience and yeah, and as we
started going, I apply periodically for jobs. But it was
really hard. It was a really hard decision to leave Ruberton.

(14:24):
Snow came up, and it just just was a really
really I think it's just a really awesome opportunity. It's
close to home where I grew up, since southern Utah.
It was extremely pretty, kind of like Colorado where you guys,
there's a lot of high elevation down here. So we
have fish Lake, which is nine thousand feet flat. Can

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we have Skyline Drive, which is anywhere from nine to
five to ten five and it just rolls up at
that height. And so we have some really really good
trails down here. And it's southern eurob is super pretty,
So that was a huge thing. I felt like I
was giving back to kind of where came from by
coming down and so Snow kind of hit the hit
the mark for me. So just really really good opportunity

(15:07):
I felt it was. The transition was hard. It was
really hard to read lever Orton because we were we'd
been really successful and we were turning a really good
group and you know, we were we were hitting about
one hundred kids on the team per year, you know, consistently,
and I don't know, just had something built. It was
really good. Community was really good there too, so they
were really supportive and that was great.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
So Rich coach is doing his sales pitch. He got
me with the mountains. We're not in Colorado anymore. We're
both on the east coast and we're oh, you guys
are We're dying to get back into the mountains.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Utah is insane, insane, for sure, Colorado is insane.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
But yeah, is snow on the east side of the state.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Or central central, south central?

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, so sore you taking your west of Moab?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
We are west of Moab, yes, yeah, yeah. Moub is
about two hours exactly west of from the I seventy
is right there and just at I seventy and Snow
has we have two campuses. This is confusing to some people.
We have a campus that's about an hour north of
where we're at, so it's an Ephraim and then we're
in Richfield. Richfield's a smaller campus, but they used the

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year they're using cross country to like push the numbers
up in Richfield campus.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
So anyway, the other athletic teams, are they on the
Richfield campus or are they us?

Speaker 2 (16:27):
In? Wrestling is here here?

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Let's go got me? You got me two favorite sports.
She said, you wanted to go to the high school
route to to learn how to coach and build a program.
Where did you think you picked up at Riverton for
Snow College as far as being a coach.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, that's a good question. So I feel like when
you start out as an assistant college coach, you you
obviously can observe things, but you don't actually get thrown
into the fire and have to do it and have
You're not answering the questions, you're not talking to the
kids as much, you're not writing the programs if you
mess up, and you're not really getting feedback to grow.

(17:07):
I just don't think that it's the assistant coach route
to start is the best way. I think after you've
got some years of stuff under your belt, I feel
like it's good. But it was that's the least the
way I thought of it. And when I went through
it was like I can stay here and be a
volunteer coach, or I can yeah, or I can go
off on my own and try it out and test

(17:28):
the products and you know, be curious and try different things.
And yeah, I think that I think I think the
high school route was good there, especially even to the
sense of like organizing meets or handling administrative stuff or
like you know what I'm saying. You're doing all that
are on your own at the high school level, and
so when you get to college level, I feel like
you're really prepared for any of that stuff really well

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because you've done it all before. So right in college,
I feel like they it's divvied up a little bit,
or they be in a big program a lot of
times they have different different people that are hired specifically
for traveler, but junior college all lots ought the case,
you're pretty much doing everything right. And so just like
high school.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
So anyways, what's that process has been like starting the
program up? As snow for you, It's been good. First
year was well.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
There's obviously some things that like you go into with
an anticipation expectation that to be a certain way, and
it's just not as it's not. It wasn't as quite
as fine cut as I thought it was going to be.
So but a little rough start, just trying to figure
out what they want and what they expect from the
athletic department. But I think that's now that transition's done,

(18:34):
it's pretty good. Yeah, transition wise, rough a little bit
because they hired me so late. So I got hired
like April fifteenth, and so I had to try to
essentially try to form a cross country team in less
than a month, and so that was really hard, especially
because at the time Solid Community College was there and
they didn't have roster caps and they were doing really well,

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and then most of the kids picked up by most
of the really good kids get picked up by D
one in the second tier. You know, we're going to slick,
and it was just hard to pull a team together
the first year. But I think I, once again I
locked into some really awesome kids, and I think, yeah,
things went well. So but anyways, yeah, that was a
little tricky. This second year, got a full year of

(19:19):
being able to recruit and talk to kids and that
was good. So teams a little bit more robust this
year than it was last year.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
But it's so worried.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Excuse me, We're in year two. We got men's and
women's ranked top ten nationally. Did you expect that quick success?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I don't know. It's
Utah's pretty UTA's a really really good distance state, really
good distant and there's a ton of good high school
kids to choose from, and so I don't know. I
feel like we kind of have a good overall situation here.
I think it's going to be really hard for us
not to be successful. Yeah, which is just once again,

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like the training environment, it really awesome down here. I
get a lot of choice from really really good to
Utah kids. Roster caps are probably going to benefit junior college,
I would guess, just in the sense of like maybe
last year, you know, I'm getting a kid elevation. You know,
my recruits are probably between four thirty and you know,
four fifteen range and that'll probably drop a few seconds

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per kid or whatever, which is which is pretty big.
Getting a four twelve kid at elevation might be a
really big kind of thing anyway, So I think, yeah,
and then I think that roster caps.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Anyways, I don't know if I'm answering the question.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
But yeah, I mean Utah.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I think last year there was on the boys side,
there was five Utah teams that were right to the
top twenty five in the nation high school cross country.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, and I think they even even looking at that,
they kind of passively put five teams from twenty five
to thirty, like they're just like they're all Utah. You know.
Southwest region is just really really tough at the high
school level. And yeah, but I mean I think it's
just a good I think it's a it's going to
be really hard for me not to be successful because everything.
There's just so many good things that are here and available.

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So yeah, so I guess it's pretty expected just because
of that.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
But yeah, but Jimmy and I were coming up, especially
from New Jersey, you know, there's like a stigma to
go into junior college or being a junior college student.
Now with the roster caps and just with the talent
that's in Utah, do you think that that is that
mindset is changing a little bit in terms of, like, hey,
this is a great opportunity. I can go here for

(21:36):
two years, I can develop and then maybe those looks
that I wasn't getting as a for a Division one scholarship.
Through the development of the junior college system, some notoriety
going to big meets to see the same kind of competition,
do you think kids are a little bit more open
to the idea of running for a junior college.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Now, yeah, that's a good question. I think that I've
had a little bit of that, but I don't think
I had it. But I think a lot of that's
because of Isaac. So I think he kind of broke
that in Utah, if that makes sense. I think there
was a lot of really good kids that were coming
to run for Isaac, and they were competing really well,
and they were competing just like, very well against D

(22:16):
one schools, And so I think I don't think in
Utah that stigma is like is that way very much?
I don't. I haven't felt like I've dealt with that
very much. So so people are excited to come to
a junior college. People are excited to come run at snow,
so I think, which is good. So there's there's gonna
be a point where soon where I'm probably gonna have

(22:36):
to be a little more like have a cut bigger
cutoff point for kids to come down. So which is
hard because I wasn't anything special as a recruit, right,
I didn't. There was nobody, nobody today, nobody would tip
that an eye at recruiting me ended up being like
you guys said, a steeplechase record or holder at UVU
and fifteen hundred record holder at UVU. But I wouldn't

(22:58):
be recruited by that program anymore, you know. And so yeah,
that's just kind of crazy how things the landscape going.
But but there's gonna be a point where I can't
they won't be able to handle as many kids as
probably will want to come down and run, I think.
So yeah, but it was a good problem though. It
is a good problem. Yeah, so we'll figure it out.

(23:19):
Like even this last year, like we had a few
kids that came at a kid in Carter Day Twilla
High School to return home from his l E S
mission already going to Snow He's like, can I come
run for you? And he was like a seventeen thirty
guy and like a ten forty guy. And I was like,
I don't know, but a roster was small and he
was already at Snow College. And I was like, all right, yeah,

(23:41):
come and run. And his he he goes six months
with us, he goes and does his first two mile,
or he goes and does his first five k on
the track, and in his first two mile he goes
through at nine to twenty through the through the two
mile mark. But he was a ten to forty guy
in high school. And I was like, there's a whole
bunch of those diamonds in the rough, kids like that
that I don't know, maybe figure things out later or yeah,

(24:05):
I'm not sure, but yeah, I feel that's hard for
me as a coach to put any kind of limit
on us, you know, because you know there's going to
be kids like that that we're going to be really
good d one runners, bit maybe weren't really good in
high school, you know. So Juko's nice that way. It's
cool that we get the opportunity to take kids like
that give them another chance.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
But what do you think the ideal number is or
your goal for kids on the team.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
That's a good question. I really, I'm just going to
do whatever the school wants me. If they want me
to push up the fifty girls and fifty boys, will
do it. If they want me to cap at thirty,
then we'll do it. But I'm the only coach down
here right now, and so handling more than sixty kids
is a pretty pretty tall ask, I think, and so
without an assistant coach or another two assistant coaches. But

(24:52):
I think thirty thirty would be great. If I could
get thirty boys thirty girls, that would be an awesome,
awesome situation.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
So, but you say you're one man show. One question
we'd like to ask is how coaches run their program.
Because you're a CEO of a small business and obviously
there's no delegate. Your delegating to yourself. So what does
the majority of your workload look like? And at any point,
what do you think you're kind of lacking because you

(25:19):
don't have people to delegate to.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Ah, that's a good question. Most most of the delegating
stuff is like I feel like kids need attention, right,
they need somebody to talk to, And it's hard to
be able to get to a lot of kids and
make sure everybody feel to welcome and make sure everybody
can talk off their situations and stuff like that, and
so at Riverton, I was blessed. When I first started,

(25:42):
wasn't very many coaches, but as it went on, I
got more and more assistant coaches, and we were I
don't know we would have. I think we were about
eight coaches to to one hundred kids and whatever, which
is great, and I had some amazing assistant coaches, and
so I think our program might have been as successful
as it was because of the support that was there
for the kids. Like my last year, we had like

(26:05):
twenty five freshman boys come in, and we had a
kid specifically asigned to the freshman boys, and almost every
freshman boy stuck out right, and I think we had
seven boys break five at elevation or whatever that year.
Eight boys, which is pretty awesome. And I think if
we didn't have someone specifically delegated there, I think we
would have lost half of those boys just because, yeah,

(26:25):
they don't feel like they have a purpose or a
reason that they're there. So if we're bidding big numbers,
having an extra person there is important. If we're fifteen
or so, then yeah, not a super big deal. But
what does the schedule look like is the second part
to that cashion or first part of that question. So
usually I get up early, either work out for myself

(26:46):
or get up and do some sort of work in
the office, either training schedule wise, or administrative stuff or
recruiting or stuff like that, sending off emails. I usually
do recruiting calls every Tuesday night and Thursday night, so
five point thirty two nine o'clock at night is when
I do my recruiting calls with athletes, and I do
that all all. Uh yeah. I like being able to

(27:08):
see them, and I like being able to fiel their
personalities and the thing too. The like I'll if we
don't have a roster cap, I don't mind bringing kids
down as long as I think they're going to bring
a good culture into the team. So there'll be some
kids I won't proactively recruit because I don't feel like
they will bring a good culture, even if they're a
decent time recruit. I just we we don't want to

(27:32):
make I don't want kids to come down here and
act like we're a junior college do you know what
I'm saying, Like we're happening or like it's less than
Like we're down here to be really really good and
work really really hard and we have to catch the
D one kids. A lot of these kids want to
transfer to D one programs, and we have the conversation
is like, you have to be just as good, if
not better, at the little things than they are. And

(27:52):
so yeah, anyways, yeah, so I do. Yeah, So that's
what we're kind of looking for the recruiting side of things.
And then periodically on the weekends going into meets and
hanging out and talking to kids. Summertimes fun because I
go down and run with some teams and talk to
them there and that makes it really enjoyable. One of
the nice things about junior college is that's not a

(28:13):
restrictive thing for us, which is cool, meaning that I
can go and yeah they go on a run, I
can go run with them and stuff like that, which
is good. So go out and meet teams and get
my face out there and yeah, things like that. So
that's kind of the workload schedule. Not too bad. It's fun.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
So it's talking about that culture and talking about recruiting
and kids leaving to go to different schools, transfer onto
four year institutions. Is the conversation of staying there for
two years? Is that an important part to the recruiting process,

(28:50):
Like are you trying to get kids that are committed
to being there for two years or you'll.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Kill It's I just, I just whatever is the kid.
The kid feels like it's best for them. So if
they want to if they were running really really good
and they want to go to D one level right
off the bath and love it, you know what I'm saying.
And so same with recruiting, Like a kid kid is
on the border of going to D one or coming
down the snow, and like, there's no pressure. I want
There's plenty of really good kids in Utah. Will always

(29:15):
have a good program, We're always going to work hard,
and so I'm not concerned about as much about winning
the national titles or going after national titles. I am
like putting that kid in whatever he thinks is their
best situation or he she thinks is their best situation.
So yeah, so I think some kids will just be
here for a year, and some will be here for two,
and some might red shirt and be here for three.

(29:36):
I don't know, so to see just depends on the
kid and what their situation is.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
How has the season been going for you so far?
I think we're maybe four maybe five weeks in, depending
on what you started competing. How's it been going? Yeah,
how's how's the squad's looking?

Speaker 2 (29:54):
They're good. Yeah, both of them are running really good
right now. I think that the energy is really high
right now, and the confidences you're high, and I don't know,
I think we kind of have this like obviously the
kids want to transfer to D one schools, but we
want to be able to like take non D one
recruits initially and like compete at least. We don't want
to show up to meets and just get trounced, and so
a big goal and the good big vision is like

(30:16):
we want to show up to meets and like scare
at the D one schools, like, oh, we don't want
stow to show up because you know, we don't want
to get beat by them. And so I think they
it's kind of one of our things that we want
to get after. And I think they, uh yeah, I
think that they're a position to be pretty competitive against
some of the some of the D one schools here
at least at least fight with them. We might not
beat them, but anyway, so we're excited about that. So

(30:38):
energy is good right now. Like their workouts are really good.
We did Saturday, we did a long run, a hard
long run, and we did so they start at like
fast and distance day pace or distance day pace, and
then they cut off a minute and then they bounce
back between distance day pace. So essentially the boys workout

(30:58):
was six forty five and they go five forty five,
and then they go six thirty, then five thirty, then
six fifteen, then five point fifteen, then six then five,
then five forty five and five and then four forty
five until they essentially are done kind of a thing.
And yeah, we had a group of five boys that
the whole work out together all ended around four forty
five for their last mile, and so they're in a

(31:21):
pretty good Yeah, they're they look fit, they look really
confident right now, and I think come November, I think
some people will be surprised. So how could we look
so rich?

Speaker 1 (31:32):
That sounds like trying to go on a leisure roam
with you in the mountains and the next thing you know,
I'm throwing up Red Velvet coach. You're talking talking about
the training and uh, that workout that seemed pretty brutal.
What's your training philosophy or your threshold guy or a
v doc guy, anything like that.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah. So we initially when I first started coaching, my
buddies told me that Lady Art was the way to go,
you know, So I read any Lydiard book that I
could find, and then American forest coach Timo is a
Lydiard guy, and so and he's he's really been a
really good mentoring He loves talking and he'll sit hours

(32:12):
and hours with you talking about training and so a
lot of stuff there, and so yeah, I would say
Lidiard first. So a lot of a lot of stub
threshold type stuff was build the big base, lots of
mile age, yeah, and then try to put it all
together towards the end.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
A lot of aerobic stuff for sure. So we try
to be as holistic as we can. We do our
lifting two three times a week. But it seems like
the best programs in the country, the Colorado's, the Naus,
the Byus, you know, consistently or doing a lot of
aerobic a lot of aerobic creup work, so so that's yeah,
definitely geared that direction. And obviously one thing that's nice.

(32:50):
In high school, I felt like like I had if
I had a kid that was really good turnover that
was running cross country, I felt like I had to
have them for cross country, and so training was a
certain style even for them. But now it's nice because
I feel like our team is big enough that if
I get a kid that has good turnover and stuff

(33:10):
like that, we can be a little bit more specific
to their needs, which is good for during So if
they're an eight hundred guy, so we might be depends
on the kid obviously, so certain kids will be a
little lower volume, certain kids will be a little higher volume.
But for the most part, yeah, that's kind of how
we're structured.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
So are you dipping your toes into the double threshold
waters at all?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, we did a little bit in high school kids
like to Actually, people think of double threshold a lot
as like like trying to push limits, And I think
there's definitely some good that good to that. But like
let's say, typically, you know, we do like eight miles
at threshold, you know, or seven miles at threshold in
high school, and maybe eight or nine in college or

(33:52):
something like that of total threshold work. If I feel
like a kid, I want to get threshold working. But
a kid, we just need to recover them. So we're
coming off of a hard week, or they're just a
little tired, you're a little sore. I might double threshold
just for the sake of recovery, right, So just I
get the work in, I get the volume of eight
miles that I need, I want in or think that

(34:13):
they need, or like we're trying to push towards. But
then it's not as hard because I'm splitting it into
two different workouts kind of a concept. Yeah, and then
we'll obviously try to get a little extra total threshold
by splitting it up into two and still recover from it.
So which is good. Yeah, we definitely will dabble in
some double thresholds. We haven't we haven't done full on, Yakov.

(34:34):
You know, two thresholds on Tuesday, two thresholds on Thursday,
and then some hills on Saturday with some threshold on
top of that. You know, we're not at that stage.
And a lot of my kids, I'm we're in a
little town. A lot of kids I'm getting are coming
from little towns and they're they're coming to me with
thirty miles a week, and so there's no chance. So
we're doing double thresholds with those kids. They're not ready
for it, and so we feel like they got to

(34:56):
get to a point where they have the volume to
be able to If we do a double threshold and
they do four miles of threshold plus more up and
cool down to do that twice, you know, that's sixteen miles.
You know, if we warm up for a mile and
a half, then you know, we're still at fifteen or
fourteen miles in that day. And that's just too much
for a kid that's only earning thirty or forty or fifty,
you know, And so usually have to wait. I have

(35:16):
to make sure the kids are up to you know,
that seventy eighty miles a week at minimum probably to
hit them in those double threshold type of workouts. But yeah,
I love the littal bit stuff and pushing it so good.
Kids like it. It's novelty two and that's what the
Inger Britain's doing, that's what some of the best in
the world are doing. So they want to do it
and so if nothing else, it's just they get excited
for those type of workouts, and so I feel like

(35:38):
there's gains from just for the excitement side of things.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
So, so talking a lot about the training, and I'm
going to completely derail the conversation and go get back
to Snow College and the campus to give our audience
a little bit more details about the college. Well, what's
the college as far as is there any specific majors
that kids are going there for their dorms things like that.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, so yeah, it's kind of give you kind of
a pitch for this. So, like I said, we have
two campuses. The northern campus has thirty five hundred students.
We only have about five hundred students down here. Ours.
The Northern campus is predominantly like what there's focus is
like artsy stuff, so they have a really good art program,
they have a really good music program. And down here

(36:22):
is more tech focus, so electrician, plumbing, composites, diesel mechanic
things like that. You're if nursing, cosmetology, those are the
kind of things. So if you're specifically going into those,
it's a really good fit. And then obviously you can
do your general ads. You can still go and get

(36:44):
like your business associates down here, you're general just a
general associates or something like that. But for the most part,
most people are coming down just to get their associates
and then transfer on to a D one or for
your school. Housing wise, housing is right on campus and
so awesome thing about it is like every distance runner
lives next with the distance runners. The apartment next to

(37:06):
them distance runners, the apartment above themse distance runners. So
it's a really cool like environment that way, they get
really close. The We use Richfield High School's track because
we don't have a track down on in Richfield, but
it is two hundred meters away from the apartments. The
campus is about two hundred meters away from the apartment.
They have a bike trail that's just right there next

(37:28):
to their apartments to step off, and they're ride on
a bike trail from their apartment. We are mountain trail.
They can get on a mountain trail within four hundred meters,
so on soft surface, going uphills, single track trails, or
up in the mountains, they're climbing or whatever they want
right there. We swim twice a week minimum, and that
our pool that they use is six hundred meters away

(37:49):
from the apartment and so we kind of just have
everything that we need, like really close, which is super cool. Yeah,
kind of the pitch the small campus thing, because I
feel like that is something if someone's listening seems a
little bit, it feels weird. Like I know, for me,
when I came down to take the job, I was like, oh,

(38:09):
this is kind of not what you'd expect. Traditional high
school kid used college as like go to college, stay
up late, party, There's tons of stuff to do down here.
There's just not that, right. The advantage to that is that,
like that lifestyle isn't conducive to being successful in running, right,

(38:32):
If I want to be successful and running, Like I
don't know, you can't stay up late, you have to
eat well. You know, you're not partying, you're not doing
any of that stuff. And I generally feel like fifty
to seven percent of people that go on to college
don't get anywhere near their potential because because they live
the college life that they've been told, right, like this

(38:52):
is so fun and it's cool. It's fun, but you're
not going to be a great athlete if you're doing that.
And I think our environment down here is really conducive
to avoiding those distractions that pull us away from from
being successful. We always say you want to you want
to feel like you're swimming, swimming downstream for success and
not upstream. And I felt like when I was in college,

(39:14):
you know, I'd have random roommates and they would be
watching movies or having girls over or you know, like
doing stuff at night, and it was really hard to
be like, hey, go to bed. You know, you're an
athlete and you sleep such a big priority, and so
it felt like I was always pushing against the current.
And down here, I feel like it just naturally happens.

(39:35):
You eat well, you sleep well, because everybody year around
is wanting to do that, which is cool. So yeah,
it kind of feels like a Cannon training camp or
I don't know, kind of has the the once a runner,
you know, Quentin Cassidy up in the mountains to it.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
So yeah, sounds like a little Olympic training center.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, that's awesome. We love that down here for sure.
So obviously I'm biased, but like it's sweet.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
So coach with five hundred students on that campus and
the two athletic teams are wrestling and running, two sports
to go hand in hand or the majority of kids
that live on campus wrestlers and runners.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, yep, yep. We almost take up every every apartment
buildings on campus is pretty much to us. So which
is fun.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, that is awesome. And I know that Utah, like
you've said, has a rich running tradition. That said, have
you tapped into any international students at all?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
So I'm sure you guys know, but international. As soon
as soon as I created a direct athletics account, I
started getting emails from born from ken you you know,
things like that. But and there's it's it's tricky because
we're not we're not a college that's like our college
is pretty cost effective for Utah kids. So it's you know,

(40:52):
two thousand dollars a semester for for tuition and then
it's another two thousand and five hundred for housing, and
so kids are not it's just extremely affordable for people.
And but for out of state it's out. For out
of country like international students is not. And so for
me to bring a kid down from a Kenya or

(41:13):
something like that, you know, I might be forking out
twenty thousand dollars or something like that for a kid
for a year where I can get ten fifteen Utah
kids that are still pre dain good for that same
amount of money, and so it doesn't seem it's a
great I think it's a great campus foreign international student
and I wouldn't be opposed to it just because, like,

(41:36):
I think it's cool that those guys get an opportunity
to come over and get an education, and so I
think that's fun for them to be able to get that.
I just don't think we don't need it specifically, if
that makes sense, And I don't think it's fun. Like
I think last year we took eleventh last year in
our first year on the guy side, and there was
no only team that was one hundred percent like American

(41:58):
made or homegrown that beat us with slick right, And
so I think there was that was pretty fun for
us to be like, hey, we're just a Utah team,
and Utah has a lot of pride and they we
we think we're the best distance distant state, right and
we do, you know, So there's a lot of pride
in that direction. And I think that like being able
to take just Utah kids and go compete against the
Kenyons that are are really there's a ton of them

(42:20):
in the junior college levels. Really fun for those kids.
They're like, hey, we're going to go represent Utah and
they can go represent the Rift Valley you know, and
you know, and it's just fun for it, really fun
for the Utah boys and girls to just get after that,
you know. So I think they like it. I think
they're excited for the challenge of you know, representing Utah
really well at the at the college level. So but so, yeah,

(42:40):
international students we might get. There's one kid I would say,
off this thing with like a ridiculously low number, like
that can't support them. And one kid's like okay, I'm COVID,
And I was like, okay, so so we might get
one this track season. We'll see if that ends up. Plane.
He has to get his visa to come through, but
I didn't offer him very much money, so he's paying
the bill some how.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
His own way.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Mostly. So anyways, I.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Would imagine with the price tag, it's got to be
a huge benefit for recruiting.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, yeah, for us, it's there. They're coming here in
a better situation than scholarship to other places.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Housing alone is housing in Salt Lake area is more
than everything down here. Right, So we're about half as
much total cost or total out of pocket than any
other school and just in Utah, right, And so that
has a program, that has a running program, So they
could potentially get into better situations if they lived in
those areas. But for the most part, most kids financially

(43:37):
are coming into a better situation with no scholarship here
than scholarship somewhere else. So, which is nice.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Are both men's and women's rosters completely Utah student athletes?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
No, no, so Utah's so Utah is prominably Mormon, right LDS,
and so kids outside of Utah that are LDS want
to come to Utah, I think to fight a wife,
you know, just somebody that's in their you know, their culture,
and so there's and I think so they gravitate to Utah.
So we've quite a few out of state kids actually
reach out to come and run here that are that

(44:11):
are LDS. But we're probably we're probably fifty to fifty
right now though LDS and not LDS on our roster.
But anyways, yeah, cool, So we'll get some out of state.
We have a really good kid from Ohio ran for
Beaver Creek, which has an amazing program, And we have
a good kid from Texas right now running for us too,
and so it's pretty good. So a few right now,

(44:32):
we have another kid from Texas. It's just got back
from his Elis mission and he'll uh yeah, he's going
to take a block class and start training with us
in a couple of weeks. So just got back.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
But it's fun cool, Yeah, Coach, who do we need
to keep an eye out on at Nationals?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
That's a good question. Probably not the best person to ask.
Is God focused on just the process of us. I've
just just going to the flow right now. I don't
know how the scene works super well in the junior time.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I'm from I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
From Martin, Yes, okay, Yeah, Now we have some jeez
girls pretty much are all the same, and I think
all those girls will hit somewhere in that eighteen thirty
to nineteen minute range for our girls, that's where they're looking.
And we probably have a seven girls that'll probably be
in that range, but none of them is really Reese
Moss is running really good, Brighton Gould is running really

(45:27):
good right now, but it's hard to say because they're
so close to each other. Who's going to be boys side, Yeah,
I'm a Kaid and Tim transferred from Slick after their
program kind of had a little bit of a struggle
with the cutting some things. But he is looking insanely
good right now. I think his last mile that workout
was four thirty four, which is pretty awesome, and he

(45:49):
looked he looked amazing. Carter Day I mentioned last last
he's just the longer it goes, the better he got.
He gets super good. David Barlow a Water Canyon kid,
just a really small town in southern Utah, running really
really good right now on the boy's side. And Brett
Bailey also transferred from Slick. That kids looking insanely good, like, yeah,

(46:14):
I don't know who else. He's Von Wallace, the Olympus kid,
went in the same place as Jojo Jordan high school.
They're good buddies. He's he's looking insanely good right now.
So boys wise, we have we have five six boys
that are looking really really solid right now. They could
each of them, I don't know how many would, but
I think each of them have the potential of doing
top twenty this year. So if they could all hit

(46:36):
it that the same day, that'd be sweet. But they're
They're tough for sure.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
So yeah, how many kids did you pick up from
Slick this year?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
We picked up six total that came down, so not
not a ton, but a good They had a team
of like eighty five or something like that, and I
think they only kept like but I think they have
fifteen on their team or something like now, so it
got shrunk dramatically and we picked up six of those,
so I thought more would come. But yeah, anyways, but

(47:05):
the kids that we did get are pretty awesome, so yeah,
we looked into some really good kids from them.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
So, but will you guys be towing the line for
the half marathon championships as well?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah we will. Yeah yeah, So did you do.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Any any sort of half marathon other than maybe like
long run type stuff too.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
And yeah, just long runs. We have some kids that
are geared more that direction, and so we still want
obviously the I feel like the half marathons just ice
and other cake, so you know, for them, we're focuses
the ak and running really good there. But we'll make
sure that we maintain that long run and some fast
long runs so that when we're adequately prepared for that
half and we'll bring we'll probably bring three kids, three

(47:48):
extra athletes down, both genders that will come in fresh
for the half and hopefully, Yeah, so put us in
a little better position. And we have some kids that
are not quite as good they k but they're way
better on the longer stuff right now, and so I
think that'll be good for us. So I think we'll
have a few boys that will be great that direction
on that side.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
But no, you know, coming from New Jersey, people always
think that winters out west are way harsher than the
winters on the East coast. But we know that that's
not the case. Of winters out west are pretty amazing.
And will the guys and gals, will they be ready
for maybe November conditions in Fort Dodge, Iowa.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Always that what is it going to look like? I
didn't even look at that. Is it going to be
cold in November?

Speaker 4 (48:29):
And Fort Dodge it it will probably be pretty chilly?

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah, yeah, we'll were ready. We're good. Yeah, So we
handle I feel like Utah handles transitions called out of too,
like it doesn't matter the weather condition. It's hot, if
it's cold, We're pretty good at handling the shifts. I
think we get some big shifts here. It's really hot
in the summer, it gets pretty cold in the winter,
and we train year long or year round outside, and
so I think, yeah, we'll be ready for it. That's

(48:55):
good to know. I'm gonna talk to the boys about that.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
I think anytime you're coming down from elevation, you're gonna
thrive and regardless of what the weather might be.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, we're up in the mountains. Yeah,
it just doesn't matter. We don't care though. We're gretty.
So yeah, you talk, kids are well prepared for And
I think, so, what is.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
The what is the elevation at the dorms.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Fifty three hundred Yeah, yeah, so that's good. Yeah we can.
We can get up to eight thousand and like fifteen
twenty minutes though, and then we're forty minutes. We're up
in nine ten thousand, so we're not It's pretty easy
for us to get pretty high. We're actually the right
the mountain right to the to the south southwest of US.

(49:38):
It has the highest road you can drive in Utah.
It gets over twelve thousand, which is cool. So you
can take a car up to twelve thousand if you
want to, which is pretty sweet. So it's good elevations,
get down here for sure, I'm sol Jim.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Oh yeah, especially I don't think high school kids realize
the benefit of that of being at a college. You're there,
run and you're at elevation and keep on climbing and
you're sleeping at perfect level to recover at. I think
that that's a huge shell as well.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, Greed agreed. Yeah, I tell when they come on,
I say, every every elite athlete looks for places like
for boulders, they look for flag staffs, they look for
park cities, you know. And I'm like, we're as good
as any any college in the country with in regards
to to elevation for sure. So and I training wise
where yeah, we're pretty tough too. So on that side

(50:28):
of things. Just just the environment, just the type of
trails and the scenery and all that kind of stuff.
It's pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
So, Rich, I got one more for coach before we
get into the final four, but it's kind of gonna
derail what we're on. So if you have anything else.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Coach, what are the key other than nationals and regionals?
What what other key meats you have before that?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Good question. We're just we're going to ask you you
because they're close on the fourth and then we'll be
the tenth up at Utah State. They're big ones for
our athletes because in cross country, when they're trying to
make themselves marketable, we feel like most of them want
to stay in Utah and the way they become marketable
is by competing directly head to head with the D

(51:14):
one schools, and so it helps build the bridge of
the gap for them to see if they can make
it there mentally, and then also helps showcase their fitness
when they go head to head against them. And so
those are big for them. I think they they really
get geared up to running those. And then we're going
to we're going to host conference down here this year,
which will be fun for us. We're gonna do it
on Palisade State Park. It's a brutal course, so on

(51:36):
the golf course it's fun, so they'll it'll be good.
So first time we've kind of like formally held conference,
which is good. We hold it but usually in Unison,
and we decided since we call it out of Northwestern
started this year and so now we have four teams
in our official conference that we're going to make it
a little bit more formal conference championship, you know, things
like that. So that one'll be that one'll be fun

(51:58):
and we're excited to host it.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
So what's the conference?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
But what Adam is swax so at Scenic West Athletic Conference.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, coach, you mentioned some of your athletes going on
LDS missions. You said you went on a mission when
you were in college. We talked about coach would he
told us a story of a gentleman holding them up
at gunpoint to buy cigarettes and beer form. I'm curious
do you feel having that experience in your life that

(52:30):
helped you for being a coach and recruiting.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, yeah, it's I don't think people realize the value
that doing that brings. I was reading the book, I
don't know, it's probably six to seven years ago, and
they're talking about how their organization really worked on getting
kids to take gap years and go outside of their
culture and experience the world before they start into college
and stuff like that, and how much they transition to

(52:55):
life better and how more more discipline they are, and
how much more like the perspective they get and stuff
like that, and it's just that I think the the
LDS mission is is so invaluable for those those young men.
So there's it's controversial the Eliots mission in the NCAA
Let's run. It's controversial about like like age cheating for
BYU and stuff like that and that, and it's definitely

(53:18):
not for the sake of for fitness. A good portion
of those kids don't ever run again because they go
on the missions, they get out of shape, and it's
just it's like, oh man, but the kids that come back,
they're out of shape, but the skills they acquire, the
maturity they require, I think it's a huge advantage, a

(53:40):
huge advantage just they come back and they're just not
they're they're more disciplined, they're more they have more clarity,
they're hard at working. They're good at handling adversity, right,
So you have scenarios where you're people are telling you
know all the time, and some people are really mean
to you, and you know, and so people just are
really good at handling when don't go their way. And

(54:01):
so I think it's just a really good for me
as a coach. Is a great experience helped me as
an athlete. Yeah, I think that most most of the
kids that go on missions, come back, come back better kids,
and I think it, Yeah, better athletes for it, So
I think there was an advantage for it, but not
how most people think of it, if that makes sense.
I think most people think of it just they're they've
got older and they've matured. But there's a ton of

(54:22):
kids that come back and they get dinged up or
they you know, they're just out of shape. And I
definitely don't think it's that direction.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
But I never saw it from the perspective of a
gap year. And Rich and I talk about that all
the time, how we believe that is crucial for young adults.
So I appreciate that perspective. Is there an age, like
a certain age, because like sometimes you see kids start
college and then they go do it and then they
come back. Is there a certain age or can you

(54:50):
go right out of high school?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, eighteen's the start for guys. In nineteen for girls
is when they how they do it right now, when
I was in college, it was nineteen is when the
guys went. But a lot of kids, a lot of
kids will take a year first and then go mission,
so they can kind of decide how they want to
do it. But the I guess the encouraged age is
as soon as high school's done. Didn't head out so well,

(55:14):
thank you for.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Educating the area, bros On that we always like to
learn over here, so we appreciate that. Rich you ready
for the final four? Let's do it all right? I
think I already know the answer to this. Coach, Are
you a coffee drinker?

Speaker 2 (55:29):
No, I don't drink any coffee any I'm extreme, actually
I it is. My coach when I was a sophomore,
told me no soda, and I haven't drink soda since.
So I have not drinking a soda since two thousand
what two thousand years two thousand and twenty five years now,
haven't touched a soda. So I am like extreme, but
not because of any kind of religious belief, just because
my coach told me I'd be a better athlete if

(55:50):
I had drink soda. That I got the streak, and
I didn't want to end my streak, so just keep it.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
So, no coffee, coach, do you have any Only practices
are rituals you do on a regular basis to show
up as the strongest version of Chase Inglestead.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Oh that's a good question. Yeah, it's a good question. Jeez.
I just like getting up early, starting the day off good.
So I always get off either getting this, get in
the pool right off the bat, or get a run in.
I always get a run in, but sometimes at the pool,
usually get in some core before the day starts. Yeah,

(56:27):
that's kind of That's kind of my ritual no matter what.
And then try to get to bed a similar time.
So I'm always to bed between nine and ten o'clock
one hundred percent of the time and always up, always
up between five and five thirty every morning. So to
just keep that, just keep that routine, and then I
just show up every day and do it. So even
as a I'm forty one right now, but I've probably
hit sixty miles a week average for the last you

(56:50):
know whatever, since I've started running, since I've since my
return back from the mission, I've probably hit sixteen miles
a week since then. So yeah, good into that. Never
had a running injury before, so I've run that long
and I've never had a ding up or an injury
or anything that stopped me from running, which is which
is pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
So do you still race it all?

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I don't race very often periodically I raced. The last
race I did, it was thirty six and I jumped
in a year five k with the college kids just
for fun and I ran fourteen forty nine. So that
was the last.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
That was the last.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
The last time I did a race was then. I
did a half marathon the year before that in like
one oh eight or something like that. So nothing super special,
but like I don't know, don't very often. Just just
enjoy being fit. I enjoy just working out and stuff.
I enjoy running with the team, so pushing myself.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Don nice Church. What are you listening to right now? Music? Podcasts,
audio books? Are you reading anything?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah? I do a lot of stuff. So I just
started doing almost done with Fayeville Manlace's book the what
is that called Great Racers, just documenting kind of how
their program was, which I thought was like Bill at
Bill Aris and Dead Girls rise to a complete dominance.
Just listen to a podcast Running Effect podcast recently with

(58:08):
oh my gosh, I'm me blinking on the coach's name anyways,
the Colorado Coach. It was tet Tennessee before that, and
the Notre Dame. I don't want blinking as coach. What
other book am I reading right now. On top of that. Yeah,
I enjoy stuff like that a lot. That's kind of
where I'm at with things. Yeah, what's the other book
I'm doing anyways, that's kind of the Yeah, those are

(58:31):
the two I've listened to recently. But the Bill the
fable Man, this book, that's a big book. I'm surprised
just because it just goes throughout every year with them,
but kind of interesting to see their culture and what
he emphasized. And yeah, it's really interesting.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
So have you got a copy of Beyond Fast yet?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
No? What is?

Speaker 4 (58:51):
It's a book about Newberry Park with uh.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Oh, I audibled it download. That's that's the next book.
I'm on my big as that one. So it's on
my Audibles right now. I just haven't done it because
I think the other one so cool. But it kind
of that Fabee Manley's book. That book kind of stemmed
the purchase the favee Manleies book, which is Yeah, so yep,
have you guys read it? Is it good?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
I'm uh, I just got through Chap I'm starting chapter star,
chapter eight tonight. It's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Uh. You know Chris Leader, you know, helped that with it.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
He's running with the buffalos and four I think it
was he's a Jersey guy, so I enjoy his stuff.
And yeah, I'm trying to get back into the groove
of reading and sometimes like running books helped me kind
of like renew my passion for reading. So I saw
it it came we were supposed to have Chris on
but then they postponed the release. So when I saw

(59:43):
it popped up that it was released, I jumped on
it and grabbed it. So it's pretty It's a good,
good read, easy reading, you know, something you can rip
through a couple of chapters in the night. And like
I said, yeah, I'm just trying to invigorate my passion
for reading again because I got a couple other books
I want to get into, so I figured that would
be an easy way to dip my toes in the
water and get back into the groove.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Yeah, that's I'm excited to read it. I'm excited to
go through it. Running for My Life is my favorite,
all time, all time running book. Though Lopez, the long
story one was so good. Yeah, we uh we audibled it.
On the way back. We went up to a meet
and the whole team listened to it at Audible. It's
just like that. It's just such a good book, such
a good book to like. I don't know, you feel

(01:00:24):
like I go out of it being just more grateful
for like the life that I have in the situation
I have. But that's so if you have listeners that
are looking for a really good running book. I think
that on was top for me of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
So it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
I'll put that in the shopping cart on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, coach, I got to give you dabs for having
a bunch of college college students listening to an audio book.
That is quite the accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Now, they're good, but kids are motivating that they like
stuff like that. They they'll show they'll show stuff. I'm like, I,
she listen to this podcast is awesome, and so we'll
put up on our little team chat and stuff like that.
So they're they're down here to do big things. They
like it. So they like stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
So we got a new podcast for you to throw
in a team chat after Yeah, yeah for real, And
then they can listen to all their competitors and get
the secret sauce from all those codes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yeah, I gotta start. I gotta add it to my
I got add up to my Spotify. Are you guys
do you guys on Spotify?

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
So sure, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
All right, I'm gonna do it. We'll start listening. I
didn't go on and looked at some of the Instagram
clips and stuff like that, some of them. So it's good,
it's funny. I'd be honored to be on here. I
appreciate you guys, invite me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Appreciate you. Coach.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Last one, we have to close out a lighthearted one.
Maybe it's a unique food item in Utah. Maybe maybe
you're have a golfer, you know, if that's some coaches
that like the golf sometimes they like to fish.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Do you have a guilty pleasure?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Guilty pleasure? Yeah, I don't know. I grew up playing
a ton of sports, so I just love if I
can go out and be competitivity thinking about my age.
I love it so anythink that. But spike Ball is
probably the thing that we around the most that I
love playing games and stuff like that, So that's a
guilty pleasure. But sure, I'm I'm extreme on like the

(01:02:06):
food side of things. I just just don't put craft
in my body ever. So pleased, Yeah, good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Well, coach, thank you so much for joining us. This
is a great conversation. I can't believe we had Rich
as a fellow steeple chaser as well. Yeah, we didn't
even get into that. So maybe after Nationals and you
guys do great out there, we'll have it back on.
We'll talk some more steeple. But thank you so much
for your time this evening, and best of luck going
forward for the rest of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah, Jimmy Rich really good to be you guys. Thank
you guys for your time. I appreciate it's fun.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Absolutely, coach, great to meet you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
We wish you best of luck with the rest of
the season and we'll be rooting for you as well
as our other friends when you guys get the Fort
Dodge and we're excited to see how everything goes for
the Badgers this year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Awesome, sweet Thank you guys so much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, that is coach Chase Inglestad
from Snow College. Make sure you go check out those
links in the show notes. Go get the bad there's
a little bit of love on social media. Let them
know that the Area Bros sent you and make sure
you're checking them out throughout the season as they head
into nationals come November. They'll be telling the line to
Fort Dodger some of our other friends. We will be
back on Wednesday evening. I don't want to butcher the

(01:03:14):
coach's name, but it's from Ranger College down there in Texas,
so we'll be back on the cross country course as well.
So have a great Tuesday and we'll see you back
here on Wednesday.

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