#202- PAST VISITORS- with guest John Dickinson

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 3 (02:01):
Hi, everybody, Welcome to this episode of Alien Stram Podcasts.
I'm your host, Donald, doesn't it? And welcome to today's show.
It's gonna be a good one today. Yeah, you know.
Today we're gonna be bringing on my good friend of mine,
almost like a brother to me, you know, mister John Dickinson.
You know, he had an amazing experience. We've had him

(02:21):
on the show before, but there were some things that
we got left out, you know, that we get to
talk about. But before we get going on that, I
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I'll leave you a link as well to mister John
Dickinson's Facebook page as well. If you want to talk
to him and get a hold of him, you know
you can as well. You know, there's nothing wrong with that,
you know, because he's gonna give you a lot of
information on his experience that it was just so amazing

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to hear, you know, all over again for me but
I just I just find his story so hotelling, you know,
it just gives you a lot of information as we
try to do here an Alien stram podcast. And if
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don't dive too much in the paranorm world, but you know,
it kind of all connects, right it is. I think
it all connects together. But we try to do our
best on trying to he information as possible. And I've
talked about it before even on my book. Right, see
five Frequencies of Contact you can you can download that,
you know on Amazon as well. Go check that out,
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you guys for watching those films. Now, you know, today's
concept story is not a cont it's just the information

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that you're going to get out of today's story is
going to be so in depth and you're going to
feel the emotions of mister John Dickinson on everything that
he was going through as far as his extraterrestrial contact,
right because that's what it was about his contact. And
I don't want to ramble too much on here, but
I want you guys to catch the interview. We recorded

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this earlier, and you know, it was a very great interview.
It's a little longer than our usual segment, but you're
going to get an extra fifteen minutes because it's that good, right,
So thank you guys for listening right now. And I'm
gonna go ahead and put that on there so you
can listen to our conversation of John and myself as
we talked about his experience with the extraterrestrial encounter and

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what came along with it and afterwards, right, because it's
an important thing to listen to as far as extraterrestrials.
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All right, here we go, So let's go ahead and

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get going with our conversation with mister John Dickinson. All
right on the phone right now. We've got mister John Dickinson,
a real good friend. Now we've been a part of
alien Strand Disclosure project for a long time. How's it
going to my brother?

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Hey? Brother, how you doing tonight?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Good? Good so far? You know I'm always working of course,
you know, everybody always sees that all over my Facebook.
Sometimes when I don't post, people are like freaking out, like, hey,
come just that post.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
I always on the go.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I know, I know. So how you been at? Where
are you at now?

Speaker 4 (06:39):
I am in Paris, Tennessee helping my daughter get set
up here and my older daughter just had a young
girl and my granddaughter, and I've been helping helping hold
the baby and change the doctor here and there. You know,
it's it's it's what an experience. You know. I helped
with the birth and process, so that really helped.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Well, congrets relations to you and your daughter and your
daughter and the grand and the grand new grand baby.
I bet you that's pretty exciting.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Uh, She's she's something else.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
You can see the dreams of the world in her eyes. Wow.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, it's it's nothing like like being a brand new grandpa,
you know, or even even yeah, as a dad, you know,
just having your your first child, just you know, seeing
the first child for the first time. You know what.
I'm gonna be honest with you, man, I every single
child that you know, I have five children. I have
three girls and two boys, right and every single one

(07:31):
I cried. You know. It's just like it didn't it
didn't change anything for me. It's like I teared up
on everyone, you know. I mean I cried like a baby,
but I just you know, I was tearing up because
I was so happy.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Just just well then it is.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
It is so so if people don't know about you
or didn't get to hear our last podcast. Uh, you know,
we had what was it last year? We talked about
an experience that you had out in what part of
where you at? And was it.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Oh? Now uh uh in a town called Parsons, Tennessee,
right along the Tennessee. Now about before we get started,
I want to I want to just tell you that
I'm sorry. You know, the last time we went into
this interview and we we we we got to a
certain point and it was time to come clean. And

(08:27):
you asked me if if they were still in touch
with me. I felt that they were, that I was
aware of them around and somewhere or another, and I
just know that's a you know, experience over and we
ended the interview. But the truth is, it gets so
deep that I question it. And and this was acknowledged

(08:52):
towards towards the end of my deal with them, was
that I was like, I'm going to tell the world
this is this is crazy. And the big, the humorous
part of it, I felt was that no one would
believe it because it's so you know, extravagant.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I just right, and you know I think of it.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Now and it's like a different life, you know, it
really is.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, I mean, I mean it happened to you when
you were a teenager? Correct, when we're on there.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, I was around seventeen years old. You know, I
was in a spit fire shape, riding dirt by three
whelers and living the living, uh, living the dream, I guess,
and looking forward to going in the navy, and uh
about them about uh a little bit before before going in,

(09:42):
I had the experience in the field, right and right.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Uh, okay, well let's brush up on that a little bit.
So people that haven't heard your story, Uh, we can
just kind of touch up on that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
So so what happened the people wouldn't be warning.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
So what happened to you that evening? Do you remember
the date?

Speaker 4 (09:59):
But well, it was in there. It's towards the end
of summer. Every here and there you see like a
leaf trying to turn brown or something. But there was
the sixties and seventies. I'm in the open field getting
dark kind of it is on the brink of getting dark.
And in this field there's probably ten to fifteen acres

(10:21):
of rolling grass rolling grass. The state would come through,
Tennessee Valley Authority comes through and they'd trim it down
with bush hog, you know, maybe twice a year. So
it was a nice place or to get out on
your bike and kind of put around. And of course
I was on a racing bike, so I wasn't going

(10:41):
slow usually, and you know, you could you could probably
catch a deer in the middle of the field and
it wouldn't hurt the deer. Nothing, but you could, you know,
chase him around and then make a turn. But then
you could so usually was short anyway, that's against so uh.
I was in the field I saw a giant chip
maybe half a mile from me. Wow, just no sound,

(11:04):
no nothing. I couldn't blieve my eyes. They glided by.
It wasn't like flying fast or nothing. It was just hovering.
Probably fifty mile an hour, seventy five was it. I
watched it for several miles and it went around the
bend of some trees, and I just thought, wow, that
is you know, that's that's I couldn't I was trying

(11:26):
to come to grips with it, and I heard something
behind me, like it sounded like a tree branch breaking
or a small piece of ply with being cracked. I
turned around and there was a craft behind me. Oh wow,
you know, a little bit off the ground. It was
clearing the tree tops. It wasn't making a sound at all,
and it moved over closer towards me, and it came

(11:49):
to a stop and a low, dim kind of white
light was shining on the ground. It's probably four and
a half four or five foot wide on the ground,
and I walked up to it, maybe ten minutes of
staring at it, but I felt like there was expectation.
You know, it's it's do something. I don't do nothing
at all. That's the way I was looking at it. Man,
I've I watched a lot of movies and TV, and

(12:14):
my curiosity got the best of me. I went up
and started waving my hand in the light and maybe
kicked my foot over into it or just get close
to me to get up and see if I could
smell it. Right, And I stepped into it. Then it
was like poal. It's like I was, Uh, would I
describe it now? Yeah? It was thick, it was everything

(12:40):
was slow motion. There was no beating or flailing. I
mean it was slow.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I hear a lot of that. I hear a lot
of people that do experience the actual be I'm not
going to say a reduction because you actually walked in.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Uh, but oh I went willingly.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah yeah you will will you know. But some people
they get abducted, they have this sense of being in
slow motion or or that sort of Uh. Some people
are are paralyzed. Right, But you were able to work.
There was no air and if it was very dense right,
it was. It was just thick, right, And I hear

(13:19):
that a lot.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
I can see where someone when they when they if
you know, if someone gets caught and something like that,
and you hear people say, well on one memory they
had that they had, noware they couldn't breathe, you know,
And right, I think that might play into it.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
So I believe it does. You know, it's and like
I said, even some have that stop animation, you know,
almost like where you're just you're just floating in there
without able to move or and they say that they're
the air so thick and there it's hard to breathe.
And yeah, there's like a lot of moisture on some
some stories. Now let's go forward with your story. So

(13:54):
you went in and you said that it was it
was like a flash, and then you were in slow
motion and then was So what else happened after that?

Speaker 4 (14:05):
I don't know. Maybe I was in that light. I
didn't feel like I was going up or down or anything.
I was really I was kind of looking at my
arm in my hands, trying to move around the next thing.
Just let me see, probably about fifteen seconds, twenty seconds.
It wasn't a real fast deal. And then I was
up and it was like it just does. Light was

(14:26):
gone and I was standing on the surface. Wow, adult
a dull silvery kind of silver kind of I don't know.
It looked like older aluminum or something. I don't know.
There wasn't any sound. You couldn't stop the floor and
a like any noise. And you ever seen like a surface,

(14:48):
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
You ever see like a pizza dish, a pizza pan,
like when they do they go to those restaurants where
they had the pizza on that plate, on that silver plate.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah, and it has that real yeah dirtiness.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
That dull silver. Just think I'm thinking about the color
of it, like a dull silver. Is that like what
you were seeing? Something like that?

Speaker 4 (15:06):
That that kind of color kind of like the side
of a grain bent. Okay, okay, maybe a little darker.
I mean there's different shades and those things grade. But uh,
it was it was. It wasn't shiny and it didn't
look dirty. It just just just a piece of I
was standing in a circle where the light beam would

(15:27):
have gone down and you could tell where something opened
their cut. There was there was a scene that went
all the way around and uh, it was. It was
allus standing in front of what looked like a broom closet.
I mean there was no, it wasn't a hangar and
that ting, but it was. It was maybe four foot
deep five foot deep, like half the duck slightly to

(15:50):
get in there. But there were there were some drawers
in there, like indentions and in the material you could
reach into that. I didn't go and then but then
I backed up and then I had the main craft.
It was odlar on the inside, maybe eight seven eight
foot tall at its peak. In the center, Uh, there

(16:14):
was a table in the center. There wasn't when I
first got there. That it's a crazy part. There wasn't
a table there right away when I first went in.
It was right, it was. I was walking around looking
at what I you know, trying to find out what
I could see. There wasn't anything really going on. There
wasn't any gauges material. There was only one door in
the back of the craft, and it was ever was

(16:36):
shorter than I was, and then pretty skinny door. And
then it since like I turned around and the table
was there, and this maybe this is a lot. I
lost my track of time. I really did. I was
there it felt like maybe thirty minutes, twenty minutes, and
I started getting kind of sleepy, just weary. You had

(17:00):
to sit down.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Okay, so you were kind of you felt some exhaustion,
like you were tired, a little sleepiness. Uh. Did you
do you remember any smells or anything like that inside
the craft?

Speaker 4 (17:12):
You know, it seems like I smelled something. I can't
put my finger on it. You know, my sense of
smells gone now as it is, So it seemed like that.
I've thought about that because I've heard of other people saying, well,
I smelled sulfur ammonia. I grew up in a house
with open bottles of ammonia. My father was an architect,
and there's a printing machine required a lot of ammonia.

(17:34):
Oh wow wow, Yeah, so that that that smell has
been around me all my life. I don't know, but no,
I don't remember. I can't. I can't be quoted saying
you know any kind of smell?

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Did you did you feel any kind of vibration or
anything like a humming noise or any low frequencies that
you were you could remember that you heard inside of there?

Speaker 4 (17:58):
You know, No, you know what I was amazed with
was the light? Shit, there was the white panel on
the right side. When I walked in it was it
was beautiful. I mean, you just I just wanted to
stand there and look at it. The lines were the
whole right, every color seemed like and uh, they were wavy,

(18:18):
and some of them were straight up and down and
they were moving really slow. And trying to think it
was much but it was moving really slow and it
was me So did that were you already in my head?

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
So?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
But when you were in there, did you feel like
you were standing in there by yourself in an empty room?

Speaker 4 (18:42):
At first? Yeah, I felt, you know, like where's the camera?
You know, Okay, the door is going to open any
second and the nurse is going to come in kind
of thing. You know. I didn't know what to expect.
That I was smart enough that if they were going
to kill me or something, they could have just got
me on the ground, you know, why bring me on
in there? But I don't know. I was open I

(19:05):
open minded. I was curious. And the ship was nothing moved,
There was no movement, and I only felt it move
a couple of times the periods that I were at,
the period that I was in that one it I
only felt it shift a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
At what point, or do you remember at any time
that when you started seeing the actual extraterrestrial or being
that was in there with you.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah, I woke up, I went to I wound up
going to sleep. I wasn't there long enough. And I
woke up and there was one, you know, with somewhat
upside down looking at from with me, looking kind of up,
kind of leaning over me. And there was one on
my right, and I don't know there was there was

(19:53):
a third. I feel there was a third being in there,
but they were just probing. I'm just feeling more or
less staring at me, looking into my eyes. Looking in
the eyes was a big deal. Like, Uh, I couldn't
move my arms. I couldn't. I couldn't. I didn't have

(20:15):
the energy to do anything. I mean, I was theirs.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Do you do they go ahead?

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Do you feel like they took over they took uh
took over your your your consciousness or anything, uh to
where they were able to control you at that moment
after they after you went to sleep and then you
woke up. In other words, they they were already I'm
not going to say the word pro but it was
like they were tapped into you already to where they
were able to to fully control you at that sense.

(20:43):
Is that were you getting that kind of feeling?

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yes? I felt like there was essences like and get
a strong feeling like wash over me, like everything was
going to be fine. Is just what this is their job?
Just realizing to be over soon, you know you want
you know it'll be all be over. That was kind
of what I was getting at first, just you know, relax,

(21:07):
you know, it's just we know we're doing the kind
of thing that I didn't hear any words. I just
got these feelings, these overwhelming feelings, essences of thoughts and uh.
They they pushed some stuff into my head. I remember
they pushed something and they heard. Someone asked me before
if I felt any if it hurt or anything. I
felt pressure right, like someone take their thumb and jab

(21:31):
something into your scale. It exact kind of pressure. And well,
they tubes and scraped my skin. They opened my mouth
several times, something went up in my nose, something went
in my my penis ainus. They tasted, they tested everything, everything,

(21:51):
and I was fine with it. I was I was like, man,
your heir. You know you want some more skin, you
need to help you out. Was being like the best
sport in the world.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
I think, Well, I guess you weren't horrified at the
at the at what was happening to you. Maybe that's
probably why. Uh let's go ahead and take a quick
commercial break and we'll be back after this message that better.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Shouts called across the ceiling, burning life, can't stop.

Speaker 7 (22:38):
The feeling cold hands and pulling me away.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Away, worth of shame. Who is you standing in the haze?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
No, you were.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Standing in the.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
Watchers eyes of place.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
All right, welcome back to the show. We have mister
John Dickinson as we're talking about his extra terrestrial uh
encounter and possible abduction. Now we were getting deep into
this where your story was continue on with how they
had you in a trance sort of state and they
were doing experiments on you where you were okay with it. Right,

(23:45):
it's a pretty much is what was happening at that point.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, I started feeling drugged. I did, and I felt
like I was drugged or something. I felt slow, to
slow to do anything. I didn't have any energy. Uh,
all the feelings and thoughts coming to me were you know, good,

(24:10):
and it just relaxed, won't be long. When when I
immediately started and when it when it was coming to
a close, I was like, can I help? Is there?
I mean? This is is that? It is that all
you know? And and yes, you know, well look is

(24:31):
there any way I can help? Is there any you know? Okay,
can we go somewhere, show me something? And you know,
well what can you do? How do you think you
can help us? And my first thing was, well, I
got muscles. You know, I'm bigger than you are. I mean,
I'm sure I can do something for you, you know,
I mean, it's all a big universe in my mind.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Well let's let's let's let's talk about what What did
they look like? What did these extratracials look like?

Speaker 4 (24:57):
They didn't have a those there there the gray, the
gray both of his heads. They looked the way their
eyes were sloped in. It looked like they were pissed.
Uh a little slit for our mouth. They didn't breathe whatever,
so off the air on the ship was thin. That's

(25:18):
what I wanted to bring up to as soon as
I was on the ship. After I ran a few walked,
a few steps. I was tired, so that the air
was thin, and his eyes as soon as soon as
if if our if our gland, if our eyes met
each other, it's like I fell into them. I don't know.

(25:41):
It's there's a whole reality around us that we're that
we're we can't perceive. We can't you know. I hear
about our DNA being filled with and telling me the
caps and and things like that. But there's a whole

(26:01):
realm around us that we just can't see and feel
or have access to that they have.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Like I did, they get they're able to jump into
different dimensions and and sort of way of where uh,
they're able to lock it into the future in the past.
I've heard that as well. You know. So now since
your story thickens as as this goes along, now, did
you think that you were going to go home at
that point or or did they send you home? Or what?

(26:30):
What what came next?

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Let's see, I had I was on there, woke up,
had had somewhat of a conversation with one. The other
two were kind of close to the end the door
else probably about five or ten feet away. For about
ten feet away from the other two, I near the
broom closet, and along that wall there were some inventions

(26:57):
on the on the on the wall itself, there well
any buttons or anything, but it looked like some kind
of panel. But there was only like room for his
fingers and a couple of spots. And he just put
his hand and put his hand, his left hand in it,
and he didn't move. And I felt the craft shift
and the other two left the room and it was

(27:22):
time for us to kind of talk more. It was
it was, it was you know, when you sleep, you're
getting a good run, sleep right, and it feels like
you've lived a whole lifetime. And then someone will say, well,
you only sleep for ten minutes. You know. That was
the kind of time, the variety I was dealing with
when when I was in when I was being carried

(27:42):
along in this in this mental state. It it was
a dream state, you know. And I've heard other someone else,
I heard one other person make a remark that we
are living in the dream, that that the other, the
other realm is the reality. And somehow deep in me,
that's I feel that. I think that's when I was there,

(28:05):
it's beautiful And you dude asked me, well, what have
you had something scary? What's scary in your life? Or
have you had something that's been scared you real bad?
And I take them right away to an accident that
I had on the motorcycle, you know, and we would
live in real time. I had to redeal it again.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Wow, And.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
He was all to the emotion it was, I say
it him. But I don't know, I really don't well.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
I mean it's they're able to uh. I think maybe
their dimension. Uh, since they're saying that we're in in
the uh, let's just say the sleep dimension to where
we are as we think we're conscious right now, right,
but to them, we're not conscious. We are in our

(28:56):
subconscious and they're able to control that right the words
like almost like a hypnotist in a sense to where
when they when they put you under and they're able
to control you and your senses and what you can
taste and what you're not tasting, and what's what you
think you're seeing in front of you. So I believe that, right,

(29:17):
they have that perception to to total control uh the
human uh, the human body or the human brain or
anything like that that because they're so I'm not going
to say advanced, because We've heard many stories that they
are us for the future, right, and things like that, different, different, different,

(29:39):
I've heard hundreds of different stories on the Grays and
extra tourists. But the point that you're the point that
you're saying here is that they had total full control,
almost like you were in a dream state. But you
they're telling you. You think you're in reality, but you're
not right.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
And to some people in the syrup, rfared to and
then yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
And that's why they're able to jump in and out
of it. When we see these ships pop in and
pop out, or we don't see them, but they're there right,
no doubt. And so after that you're having this deep
conversation with them. It's telling you about you, about yourself.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Hold on, hold on one second. Hold but if you
don't mind, there's one thing that's the thing that bothering it, well,
not bothering me, but it's a big, a big question
to me. Okay, Now I went through this as as
an example, I went through this motorcycle crist experience, and
you know, not making it to the top of the hill,
you know, it's terrifying. And then let him experience that

(30:39):
with me and then move off to do something else.
And then at when I asked to go back and
do another scary one again, I had even better one
on on like I thought it would be scarier one
that he would freak out on. And he said, well,
the one we have. We started to do it again
and it was the same crash that I had showed
them the first time. And when I said something about

(31:01):
doing a different one, he said, that's the one he
had on file.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Oh wow, that's.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
The one that he had. I can't, I can't make
it out. So did I pick that? Did I pick
that memory? Or did they picked it in the first place? Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, they were tapped into you already. In other words,
they already knew knew your memory. They probably knew all
about you from birth until until you're until our end. Right.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
So one one glance in the eye right right.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
And and but in that in that situation that you're
in you're having this conversation, are you sitting up where
you're still laying down?

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Oh, I'm sitting up. I'm actually when I'm when he
while he was at the table, I was standing next
to him when he when he put his hands in
the thing in the hand and the other two went out.
Then he he, I just got to sit and like
just wait here. You know, this is as you're safe.
I'm safe here. And he left, it left, she left,

(32:04):
and the little door closed. It was fast. Those doors
were fast, man. Yeah. And I went and sat on
the table, and I could still feel him in my mind.
I could. I could still feel him kind of proving around,
kind of curious as to what I was doing. And

(32:24):
I never felt alone. And I don't know how. I
don't know how long I said it, hours, hours, thirty minutes.
Who could tell? I was in a kind of locked
into their state of mind where I could I felt
like I was safe, Like I was in a treehouse,

(32:46):
kind of a clubhouse. Nothing's going to bother me here,
you know, I'm just gonna lay down on the table
and try to catch an app or something wherever we're going.
I mean, I was really to the point where I
was so tired, a mental thing really on the out now.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
As you were talking about, you know, is there anything
you need for me? They took you and they said, okay, Well,
the the story that when we talked about the last
time that they ended up taking they took you and
they you left off world. In other words, you left
off the off the planet of Earth. Yeah, we were gone,
and you were gone. So they took you. And as

(33:25):
you were traveling in the ship, you know, were you
able to see space or the things that were flying
by or just or did it just happen in an instant,
instant moment to where you were from here to there?

Speaker 4 (33:40):
No, I felt like that was on a on a
pretty good trip. There was ad they didn't do it
right this first time, but there was there was. I
don't know if it's all these ships or what, but
there's just they can make it where you can see
outside the ship and just a spot open up maybe
six feet in diameter, you know, on the on the

(34:00):
first shift, because it was bigger. But uh, it felt
actually it was like pure quiet. The only thing I
could hear was my heartbeat.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
You walk around slapping material and they were trying to
trying to see what was up and I didn't want
to push anything wrong, you know, but there was nothing
to push nothing there. It was just a flat surface
all that you know, it was rounded. But uh, I
kind of got worried after a while and I was like,
well this I hope they understand that I'm perceiving. This

(34:36):
is a long time. I mean, I don't know. I
got I started getting paranoia right that it was kind
of that things weren't going to be going as I
expected me. And uh it was, it wouldn't. It wasn't long.
I had I had one come in and once again,
once you plug in that look them in the eye,

(34:58):
and then they would take me in and it was
like in in your mind you can, you can. It
was dream world. I mean, that's where I wanted to go.
That's as long as I was with them, as long
as I was plugged into their network, it felt like,
you know, I was, I was safe, and everything was fine.
But we went to they took me. Now, some of

(35:19):
these things, you know, and my whole ordeals, the sequence
of things could be off, or the smell may be
a little bit different. Red might have been green, but us,
you know, all this is is how it happened. And
we stopped, and we stopped somewhere and I was extremely

(35:39):
light and there was little the little aliens it looked
kind of like the big ones but wrinkled up more
and they were really small. They were like six seven
inches tall. Maybe ate that. I mean, just thinking back now,
they're they're they're they're something devastating. It happened there and

(36:01):
there there were a little kind of like minature mud huts,
and then some of them were like nice, kind of
like you see in the Middle East, kind of kind
of like pressed mud adobe. Yeah, it was really nice.
And I had pointed, pointed ceilings. It was it was
they had a little circle and half of the town
was like crunched. And my job was do what I gathered,

(36:24):
because it's not like when I went down there was
someone talking to me standing next to me. It was
just like all said, I'm standing there, right, and and
the feelings I got were to help clean up, just
to clean this mess out of the square. And I'm
just walking around picking up rocks in my hands and
throwing them scattering. There's some big bowlders around. I got

(36:46):
them out of the way. They weren't heavy. Everything was white.
It was kind of like like Hollywood bricks or something.
I don't know it was. It was strange, but uh,
I it had been a while since I'd eatn I
was still to get edgy. I regret this and I
felt bad about this ever since I stepped on one.

(37:06):
I was in a hurry, and I had to walk
maybe forty or fifty foot and I throw this stuff
and then come back. And I was in a hurry.
I picked up and I turned around and make another trip,
and I had stepped on one, you know, and I
jerk my foot up real quick, and I tell you,
I could feel the consciousness of the whole game. I
just felt like a million people just went, oh, no,

(37:30):
you know.

Speaker 7 (37:30):
It.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Was, it is it's I felt bad, you know. I
just stayed still. I didn't know what else to do.
I stayed right there. One of them came out and
hit me with something and a little stick, I don't know,
a little man like, little guy like that girl, whatever
it was, but it came out and hit me the air.

(37:53):
At this point, I'm telling you, it's still thin and
there's I'm in that light. I told you before the
rest of everybody else know about it. But as long
as I was in this light, I was able to
receive at least a minimum amount of are of oxygen.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Okay, so you had to stay in that in that light.
In other words, don't get out of that light, because
they're not You have probably died or in that Yeah,
they would breathe, So they were kind of giving you
some sort of a life support.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Uh, in a sense exactly with that light.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Now, as strange as it sounds, you know that you're
on a different world, on a different planet. Uh, and
it took you a while to get there, and.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
And you know, you're I can't, I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, well, I mean I can't.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
I'm telling you that the stuff that's it's the truth.
And then you know, when am I and you know,
the whole thing when I look back on it, like
holy crap.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
You know, and the people that are listening, and the
people that are listening here today on the show, you
know that it's hard for them to even think about, uh,
of something like that happening to someone, because the stories
that we usually get are just real quick. They'll just
take them, wipe their memories. They're back at home. I
don't know what happened. I think I met one or

(39:09):
two or I saw this and they did these horrible
things to me, and then I was done. Right, But
yours goes into depth.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
You're you're experiencing something in a in a conscious and
a subconscious state as well to where they're making it
to where you are experienced a full experience of time.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
In other words, that they gave me the whole tour.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
They gave you the whole tour of everything.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Right, So yeah, they took me a bunch of different places.
I mean, of course we know about you know, but
then the number of stops and whatnot. But they took
me different places. We would be there and I wouldn't
even know it. That's how that's how good the ship
moving around was.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Well, hey, let's let's let's take a quick break and
we'll get back to our amazing conversation.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
We'll be back in a minute.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
Here we go, shouts calling across the ceiling. Burned lights,

(40:26):
can't stop the feeling. Cold, hands are pulling me away away, Worth,
can fetch.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Who?

Speaker 5 (40:39):
You're standing in the haze? No, you standing in.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
The sun, Watchers, eyes of place, visitors and the dog.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
They take me safe? A dog stand.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
All right? Welcome back to the show. Uh, we're talking
to mister John Dickinson as he's explaining an extraterrestrial experience
that he had many many years ago as a teenager.
And as we get deep into the conversation, right now,
that you know, he we were talking about how the
experience that he had when they took him off world, uh,

(41:44):
into a different planet and a different place where he
experienced and saw other different extraterrestrials out there and there
at the time level was expanded to him as what
they were doing and what they were showing him. Everything
they showed him, but they were using him as as
sort of like labor work. Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Yeah, I was a boy collar I was. I was.
I was there to to do the heavy lifting. That's
what I promoted anyway, kind of pay for my trip.
I guess it was an application to work with him.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Well, you know, as as it is, you're already having
a strange experience because one moment you're riding a motorcycle.
The next moment you're standing in front of a light
and you're standing in front of a craft you go
in and then all this all this thing starts taking
place U one, you know, one by one by one,
and here we go. Right, you're on the table. They

(42:40):
they they did experiments on you. They checked you almost
like almost like what they do with the astronauts right
when they go before they go into space, they do
they go through this physical and and they checked back. Yeah,
and and they do everything to make sure that they're ready, right,
So maybe this is what they were doing to you
because he knew that you would probably say, hey, I

(43:03):
can go help you, right, I'm strong, like you said,
you know, and they already knew that that was coming.
So maybe this is why they were preparing you for
what was about to come. Now, you said you accidentally
stepped on one. I guess you killed it.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Uh, And I don't know, you know, I don't know,
And well maybe we don't know, Tobe. And this is
a detriment. I mean, they were all upset about it.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
They frowned about it, you know. So what happened that
you get back in the ship and you you leave
at that moment.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yeah, I was there a little while longer. I finished
picking up some stuff, but I felt like, you know,
the the visit's over kind of thing, you know, everyone
was kind of they were solemn, they were they were
grouping in different areas and I was just standing still,
and then it was like I could see the little

(43:55):
white circle on the ground. I held my breath, So
you had to take a deep breath where you stepped
into that was the trick that I figured out. I
took a breath and stepped into it. You know, five
seconds later, maybe roughly, you're inside the ship, and then
it was couldn't even see the lead.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
You almost almost like it. Did it feel like I'm
kind of thinking about it as you talk about it,
is it almost like if you didn't inhale and hold
your breath. Did it feel like somebody knocked the hell
out of your your stomach and all your air came out?

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Did did it kind of feel like that or when
you didn't take a breath or.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
It wasn't a vacuum. I mean, it was just there
was no air in there. Wow, It's like trying to
blow against a piece of glass. I mean, it was
that that tight. So it was just there was no
were know, nothing. I don't know if it's some kind
of antibacterial thing or what they've got, you know, who
knows with their technology. There was no air. And then

(44:52):
I was inside and I was kind of thinking, well,
the air is a little thicker in here, thank goodness.
You know, the air down there was real thicky. Move
a little bit and you'd be out of breath. I
had I had to meditate. You know when at first
I got kind of I got paranoid because there was
so thin and I was about to hyperventilate. Wow, you know,
I was worrying so much. And then I had to

(45:14):
just really sit and meditate, to think about my breathing,
and to just try and slow my heart beat down,
because that's really all I could hear. It was just
the beating of my heart, you know.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
And that's and and now that you're explaining all this,
and you know, I'm thinking about it. You know, to me,
it's like you're you're conscious through all this, and you're
remembering everything. You were worried about your breathing. You're worried about,
you know, choking to death. You were getting anxiety attacks.
Of course anybody would have gotten anxiety attack. And they
told yeah, and and and you're remembering all of this

(45:48):
that was happening for you in a conscious state, right. So,
and what happens after after the whole ordeal takes place?

Speaker 4 (46:00):
See, we we left there, I know, I know that
we came I think it was Earth we came back there.
There was one time, now I remember this. I had
a note here written down. I said, tell you this
there was. There was a point where I'd gone a
long time without drinking anything. I was really thirsty. And

(46:24):
at this point, we're gonna meet. We're gonna meet the
blonde people the I hear people call them Nordics, hear
all kind of different terms for him. The beautiful girl.
There were two of them. One was a guy and
the other one was the gal. And she was she
was meant, she was tending to me, never spoke, never

(46:46):
know nothing but that the feelings in my mind were
still strong. Relaxed, don't worry this this is what we do,
you know, corner like saying I'm a professional, but it's
trying to give me a little credential, you know, like
don't worry and uh and because I'm having trouble breathing
as it was, you know, and start panicking over that.

(47:08):
It was not good. So I tried to relax and uh,
I met her. I wish I could go back under hypnosis,
because I'm every now and then I'll have a dream
over every six or eight months, A couple of times
a year, I'll have this really vivid, happy dream, just

(47:32):
like I'm being reunited or something. It's like I can't
run fast enough to hug or I just don't. It's
happened a couple of times a year. Yeah, and the
last time was was the message about meditation to make
things have something about making things happen for you.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
So when you dream, so these these Nordics or are
palladium kind of looking folks there are are like the
as tall as us, a little bit.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Taller, taller. She was tall. She had a good three
or four inches on me. My, my, my line of
sight would have been at the crease of her neck
and the butt choss up there or whatever. That.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Okay, she was pretty tall than she was.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
She was she was a little taller than me. I mean,
I don't know, I'm not saying a lot. Just she
didn't with with She had kind of like these little
shoes on, but they weren't thick, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Now, she she made the connection with you and did
the the the mail. Did he make a connection with
you as well?

Speaker 4 (48:43):
No?

Speaker 3 (48:43):
No, just her.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
No, he was he was. He was a shut door
and he did. He was doing his job and I
could see him kind of look over that sid what
we were doing. Her and I we were mhm. She
she was she was every thing Tommy at that point.
She she was I mean, she looked like someone on
planet Earth.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I mean, she.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Someone come off the beach, you know me. But she
was really white. You know when a blonde person goes
up and the son they hadn't had any son in
a couple of years, and they step out and get
a good dose. Yeah that blue light, that blue greal
pale blue. Yeah, yeah, that color.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Wow, that color that's pretty. That's that's a bright that's
a white color. That's that's there. And we've we've seen
people like that, you know that haven't had son in
a long time. You don't worry it does you know,
people do look like that as well. But you know,
but the connection that she had with you is like,
you know, even afterwards, even after you came back and

(49:48):
now you're talking about that, you've had several dreams of
her every maybe three to six months, and and every
dream was realistic mostly and then and what she's doing
in the dreams is giving you information ship right, It's
like she's trying to open your mind up to something.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
She's trying to help. She's she's never it's never just running,
hug and go, you know, swimming or you do anything
it's always her communicating to me without speaking, I don't know,
giving me ideas. The last one that really stuck with
me is it was it is about a chance something

(50:28):
I remember. I remember the name of Isis was in it.
If the chant with the the Ananachi crew that I
that I've that I've recognized over over time, because I
have at one point they let me view other wives
that I've had a good glimpse. Some wives I didn't

(50:53):
want to go, I didn't want to touch. I've recognized
them and got away with it, got away from them.
And there was there was one where I was in
Egypt at one point and it didn't seem didn't seem good.
These didn't seem fun. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Did these people are Palladians or Nordics or whatever whoever
they are. Did they have like an angelic feel to them?
Or do they just feel like they wanted to help
in other words, the sense of trying to communicate with
you so that way you can, uh, you know, just just.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Kind of they had an agenda. I felt like I was.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
Like like.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
They were doing a job. You know, if a male
man's picking up man, he picks up an envelope and
says it to the side. It's still important, but you
know he's got other stuff to do. That's the way
I felt, Okay, I mean that that her and I.
She she connected with me. I couldn't. I couldn't. That
was everything to me. Shed they took me. It came

(52:01):
down to her and I a lot, and I was
I was taking down to another place. I told you
about to do more rock with than It was the
best I can to say that it was there were
other humans there. There were other humans, and there was
I saw one more on the shift. That's another show. Uh,

(52:26):
there were other humans there and one thing I wrote
a note down here. I was going to talk about
a bit anymore, but it may be geographic. I don't know.
It was it was about us eating. It was like
half a cow split open and it was whatever you

(52:47):
could tear off you could eat, right basically. Yeah. And
I made jokes with him, like, you know, I was
given the feeling like it's okay, nothing you know it.
You know you can eat it and eat it on
the planet. It's just not good, right. And I made

(53:07):
a joke about bringing barbecue, you know, just take me
back for a few sticks of wood. I'll come up
here and barbecue, have the first barbecue pick kind of
thing going, and and that they can't burn fire there
that was that was not even a chance.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
So and then it was, as your story goes forward, right,
I mean, you you all eat, and then of course
you you some bad things happened when you were there.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
The one the one of them made with us. I
was standing off to the side. There was three or
four humans kind of and I don't know that they
spoke English. It seemed like the one guy I made
a connection with he was forem but I can't get
what his accent was. Him and I we became good friends.

(53:58):
And I promised him that I found him right that
one day i'd find him and I wouldn't even know
where to start, you know what I mean. But and
if he let me close, I didn't forgotten. But we
were him and I were the strongest. That it tearing
it parts to eat that didn't look you know, too disgusting.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
You know it was.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
It was a messy job. I had that I had
that long tail tennis shirt on. With the long it
looks like a a stirrip hanging down off the back,
kind of like a tux. Yeah, I wiped my hands.
That's what gave me the idea to use it his
toilet paper, because I was wiping my hands on that

(54:40):
and I just caun't on it, count on it drying
and I can rush it off.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
So during this, this whole, this whole time, when you're
you're you're experiencing everything that's happening to you right now,
you've even seen a dead human being as well on
a different planet, and uh and and these already on
the ship as well, and you've you've felt a lot
of a lot of different things were happening. And during

(55:07):
all this whole time, during the whole time, since the
moment you got abducted or that you left, to the
to the ending moment to when they bring you back.
How how long was the time spend for you?

Speaker 4 (55:22):
It felt like I was gone for months, It did.
I lost track, But it seemed like about once a week.
I'd say, it feels like a month since I've been gone.
It is, it is a long time. Then you think
of all those it's all those memories I went back
and relived along the way in real time. It felt
like you know, I mean, I was living a whole

(55:44):
other existence. It felt like Wow. At that point, I
didn't know if I was going to stay man. I
asked one of them, you know, how long has it been?
How long? And he said, does it matter?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
There is no time.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
He didn't answer me, just doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
And that's the one I was. I was about to
tell you we were. I was watching the other the
others try to eat and whatnot, and I was kind
of walking my hands off, and I'm gonna I connected
with this one. He's he's he's like a real dark
and my room he was, I don't know. He was older,
they had more cloud. I don't know. He was a

(56:21):
real dark. And he I asked him what he eats?
What do they eat? Aren't they going to eat a bite?

Speaker 5 (56:29):
You know?

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Do they eat this stuff? And he said he didn't
really say. He wasn't saying anything. He was like, yes,
let me show you, but you know I'm not. It's
frowned upon that. I'll show you this kind of feeling.
I got right and he pulled that looked like a
skull can. It was a little bigger in the skull can,
a little deeper and he pulled that like a pace

(56:49):
and smeared it on his left arm. You know.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
I talk about that a lot, you know, and and
a lot of my podcasts, I talk about how they
have like a vat of this stuff that they that
they pick up from you know, animals and everything like that.
And there's a paste that they.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
Put on their skill black past.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Yeah, it's a paste that they put on their skin.
Because I've read a few articles about, you know, these
scientists that have studied these extraterrestrials in the past. It's
the nineteen forties that they said that they put this
paste on their skin and it absorbs an enzyme that
they that's how they eat because they can't eat.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
I saw a little lip overlap on his arm, part
of his skin, right down across the skin or the
other below it, and it was eating the skin was moving.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
They're like a little like a like a like a
couple of little mouths with a big top lip or something,
and it would reach over and scoop into it. But
if you were to just look at it, it looked
like a scar or something.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
That's that's just that's just would be something so bizarre
to see, right, I mean, it's like, wow, I mean,
how does that happen or I mean, how did they
make you like that? You know what I mean, It's
like I would be freaking out just seeing that, you
know what you just said explained? You know, it's that's
that's the story. That's the the freaky part about this,

(58:16):
about your story that.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
You're able to as along the way.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Yeah, and it's good. That was a good thing.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Let's go ahead and take another break. We'll take a
quick break and then and then we'll be back after
this message.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
Shout call across the sea, lay burning life, can't stop.

Speaker 7 (58:51):
The feeling, cold hands, the pulling me away.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Way worth ninety shame?

Speaker 5 (59:03):
Who is you're standing in the base? Know you understanding?

Speaker 7 (59:10):
In the sun watchers eyes?

Speaker 5 (59:16):
Some place? Dog they take me for safety?

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Dog, No.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
One thing.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
All right, welcome back to this show. As me and
John are talking about his extraterrestrial experience and leaving the
planet and and uh just having this I'm not gonna
say an adventure, but more like a an experiment of
some sort that they used him for. So as we
were to a tool. Yeah, as we're talking about this,
you know, we're talking about how they were eating and

(01:00:05):
how they put this paste on their skin and how
freaky and how weird that look like, you know, we
just kind of it's kind of hard to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Imagine now, but I didn't take my eyes off of it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
That would just be strange. So, I mean, not seeing
something eat normally like you know we see a cat
or a dog or a bear or whatever, alligator or whatever.
We see him eat normally, you know, with their mouths.
And then when you see something put on its skin
and then there there goes you know, it's eating that way,
and that's just strange.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Yeah, he did that twice. He did it the one
time with me, and maybe thirty minutes later I looked
at it. You know, there's nothing, no action, and I
saw I kind of caught it. His moving around kind
of caught my eye. I saw this near some more
on the Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Well okay, so let's let's talk about when they brought
you back. So the moment that they brought brought you back,
when they brought you back and you said it felt
like months had went by.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Yeah, well, they brought me back once and there was
a farm moddy and she helped me that. This is
after this is right after I helped the little people
whatever hurt them. That's after I helped them. I was
hungry and I came to some like backwards olden time

(01:01:23):
style house and it was just surrounded by woods, and
there was some guy some lady there and she didn't
speak my language. She just really didn't say much at all.
It's like she was doing her job. That was she was.
I guess her husband was gone, gone the war, dead,
I mean, but gone.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
And uh.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
She fed me and I drank a bunch of his.
She opened the cabinet and this like crappy wooden house
and the dirt floor fireplace right in the center, and
there was like a cabinet doors. She opened up and
there was a couple of old, old looking bottles, and
I drank bottles at his stuff. And she got mad

(01:02:08):
because I got drunk. She got mad because I got drunk,
you know. And when I showed up there, I was
wearing like next to no clothing because the last stop,
you know, I had to tear a bunch of off.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Uh, So you drank daddy, You drank Daddy's dash, That's
what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Yeah, And when people started showing up and he got home,
I was back in the ship. He was he was
mad screaming. Him and her were slugging it out. That's
it was like coming for me, and then I was gone.
And when only when I was in despair, well, when
my blood pressure really got the race, and they would
bring me right back. They knew what was going on

(01:02:48):
in my mind and in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Your body, your body as well. So there was one
part where you said when they brought you back and
you went back to your motorcycle goal.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Oh when when I when all the sudden done. Yeah,
when they brought me back and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Your motorcycle was still warm, like you had just set
it down. Uh, And it just.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
I sat there for about thirty minutes with the one
that brought me back, because him and I had on
the way back to the planet, I take it on
our way back here. That's that's the most I that
was meld, you know, the two of us. That's when
I was able to go and see other other lifestyles

(01:03:35):
and the stuff I've done and a lot of times.
I mean, it showed me I could go anywhere I
wanted in my mind. And the one place he took
me to was it was a place with like three kingdoms.
We went by it. I don't know, I don't know.
The significance went by at every size of the galaxies.

(01:03:56):
It looked like there were three of them, the full glory,
and I don't know what they were.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
So you had that was showing you past lives that
you have had and yeah, and that you were in
different places, even in a different world. Right, is that
what they were showing you? That you were in a
different world or was it Earth?

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
That you were on different different worlds I've been on
I was. They showed me one and it was one
of my favorites. I was drawn to it. Where I was.
I died when I was young, but I was on
a planet. I don't know. It seemed like I was

(01:04:35):
always inside and it was an underground house, and they
were like glass tubes that connected all the cities. All
I had to do is go go to in the
middle of the tube and you would go scooting down
through there. As a little kid, I would like to
get out there and do it for fun, and I
got in trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
No earlier like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Earlier you talked about the auton hockey and what they
were telling you in the and the language and who
they were. Now I always talk I think about this
a lot now. And I always feel that, I always
feel that we as humans now or that we weren't.

(01:05:15):
We were put here on this earth, on this planet.
We're from somewhere else because our DNA is so different
than everything else that's on this planet, right, So, and
and of course I tell you what we're different from
from a horse, We're different from a from a cow,
we're different from a cat, right and and and I

(01:05:37):
feel that we were placed here a long, long, long,
long long time ago, right because now they're starting to
find civilizations recently, they just but they you saw this
post that I posted the other day, like they dug
down and they and they found this ancient civilisation that

(01:06:00):
was buried down there in Yeah, but it was there
was something in the in the Mexico area as well,
you know, there were and it wasn't AI. I could
tell that this this filming wasn't. This guy is doing
an actual documentary where they're actually finding these different civilizations
of a different kind of and they're showing you different
kinds of creatures of sort and even us uh, different languages,

(01:06:26):
things that we've never seen. And it says that even
the AI cannot figure it out what language it is right,
So like, like what we're talking about here, you know
what they showed you. They showed you you and past
lives and different planets, right, you know, do we are
Do you think that we come from somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
I was allowed to experience the life and death of
some kind of warm All I know is that I
was waggling around. I didn't have any appendages. I just
felt like I was. We're going around and sleeping bag
and certain areas would taste better than others. And then
I died and it was like a bright explosion, just

(01:07:10):
total chaos or just a billionth of a second. And
that was what that was what he it was his
enjoyment or that was that was what he liked to experience.
And I think that after we die, we're on record.
I think after we die that our lives are going
to be reviewed thousands of millions, billions times every one

(01:07:32):
of us. I think everyone on the planet has been
abducted at some point. I sure do. And I'm not
the only one. You know, well, I'm able to remember.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Yeah, me and you were having a conversation before we started,
before we we we hit the record button. But you
know we're having a conversation about myself. You said, hey, man,
have they been when the last post that you posted
when you found that triangle on you? Have they come
back for you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Or have they?

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Have they messed with you anymore? The extraterrestrials? And and
I answered, I said, no, I haven't had any more
experiences after that, or even dreams or anything like that.
I don't know if I was it was because I
was being pulled in. I'm going to say the connection, right, Uh,
I made the connection not just with you, but I
made the connection with other people like Ryan Keaton and

(01:08:23):
everybody else, Regina, everybody that's out there, not just with
Adi straand but just different folks that that call me
and talk to me about their experiences. That I was
pulled in so deep, uh, to their experiences and their frequency.
Let's just I want to say it that way, that
I was able to tune in and they were able
to tune in to me as well. Right, yeah, and

(01:08:45):
and uh and but since I've been so busy, my
mind has been clouded with of course, uh, every day things,
chaos of lines, which is numbers and people and names
and everything with my job that I have to do
as a regular employee.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
So it's it's like my mind is not clear like
it was, right, so and to for me to experience that,
I do want to experience that again. And I am
because once I get free from this, I will go
back and I want to tune back into everything else
and uh, everything that that I work so hard for

(01:09:27):
to to show the world as far as the films,
and then talking with you and talking with other people as.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Well with us, you do so much above and beyond
to help this community.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Oh yeah, no, thank you, and really reality, it's it's
just without you, I wouldn't have the answers, or I
wouldn't I wouldn't have the piece of the puzzle that
I need to try to figure out.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Okay, it's a gypologist to meet tomorrow's preacher exactly exactly
pretty much. So, I and a few things that I
learned that I wrote Daniel, and I wanted to get
to you that one question I asked is that there
was a curiosity about the universe, all these all these galaxies.
And the one idea I got back was that I

(01:10:11):
don't know that there was a big bang. Just everything
is in its own time, everything has its own gravity,
its own time. That was one feeling that I got
and let me see.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Well, because you questioned the beginning, right, the beginning of everything.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Yeah, well, they wanted the one in the ship, my
buddy there. He wanted me to go back if I
was curious about history and going back in history, how
it was this form, this lake, you know, that kind
of thing. And I wasn't interested at all about going
back in history at that age. I just wanted to
see now that the advancements I want to see in
the future, and and I'm not going to get to

(01:10:56):
see the full disclosure. I'm supposed to be gone before then.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Wow, you know, and and it could be years before
we all get to even experience.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Yeah, I'm like, all right, I'm ready for tomorrow land
on the White House. But then, but that's what that's
what they told him. They wanted to I want to
ask if I wanted to know when I was going
to die, because it was like I was giving us
thought of all the different questions, and most people want
to know, you know, when am I going to die?
You know, and then about their religious icon or uh,

(01:11:29):
the average stuff. And I wasn't really interested. But even
though I wasn't interested. He kind of he kind of
gave me feelings about way, But uh, well, what did
I tell him that? I told him I wanted to remember.
It was kind of a gift, you know, he was
going to give me an answer to a question or

(01:11:50):
something along that line. I told him I wanted to remember.
And it was like, that's very clever, that's very smart.
You know, that's that's good. He will and it's no
one's going to believe you. You remember the full thing
lighter in life, you know, the closer towards the big
shell is the way you kind of felt about it,
you know, you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Know, And and that's that's the thing about you know,
the remembrance of everything that you experienced. Even even if
you were gone for let's just say a splits. It
could have been just a split second or maybe five
seconds and you were gone back. But but really the world,

(01:12:31):
you know, it's like no, no, no, I'm right here.
It's like you're you're still in the subconscious world. Right.
Have you ever noticed I got this to I gotta
say this, but have you ever noticed like when AI
came out, right, I remember when it first came out
a few years ago and then we were showing uh

(01:12:53):
Will Smith eating spaghetti and it kind of looked weird,
like you know, it would kind of it couldn't put
fingers together, or you know, it just kind of looks
strange how it's something formed into something else, or maybe
like the dog that played the drums or whatever. It
just kind of looks weird, right. It kind of looks weird, right,
But if you really, really, really really think about it

(01:13:15):
when you're dreaming, it looks just like that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
It.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Things just form and they just happened, and they just move, and.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
It's basically we don't even know where we go exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
And it's like, okay, wait a minute, man.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
The AI, well they had control of that world. Yeah,
they had control of my subconscious because they ran it.
They did a test on me. I amn't this. This
was a test. The first ones that picked me up
look at a certain way right with the ones with
no nose. And then there was I was in a

(01:13:55):
part of the ship where there were like five of
these little chairs and when you sit in it, they
would light up. And my subconscious the way I understood
it was my subconscious was flying this craft around outside
of the craft, and I was. It was like a
I had a fire button that I could push if

(01:14:16):
something scared me. And they were trying to fly at
me to scare me, to see if I would shoot
at them. Wow, and in my mind I would have
they would be promoting it here or shoot them you
get it, get it, get get it. And I shot, missed, hit,
and then shot a second time and it hit. Nothing happened,
and I came back and they were all congratulating me.

(01:14:37):
It was like some kind of celebration, right, And I
don't know. I don't know the significance of it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Well, you were and you were able to control the
ship for one and then I don't know, and then
and then fire whatever you were firing at it. But
you know, through through your subconscious.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
State right in a dream state.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Yeah, And that's that's what I was talking about. That
the the way it creates and it and it keeps
on recreating as it goes right now, us as human
beings right in our conscious state right now, we were
we're able to to make that happen with AI. In

(01:15:21):
other words, they were able to program a computer to
build as it goes, right, So you know, ones and
zeros and ones and zeros and build as it goes
as it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
Goes, and now our reality is supposed to be the same, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
And it builds as you tell it what to build
and how to go.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
So, okay, now here's a big one. Now, if the
aliens weren't watching us, would we exist?

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
That's that's that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
The other day, I mean, if we're not looking at something, technically,
it doesn't exist. I mean that nothing can form. The
light can't come, can't you know, con veal into a
form of say, well you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
You can't make nothing from nothing, right, right, So it's
it's part of the god theory, right nothing, nothing can't
make nothing, right, it can't make something. So and it
started somewhere, whether it started from them to the man
upstairs they're almighty, and then just kind of went from there,
or you know, it just went to you know, these

(01:16:29):
things where they're telling us, Okay, this is how it happened,
or this is possibly what you think is happening.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
But then but if you really think about it, everything
is questioned, right, everything is questioned. Even there are questioning
us in a sense. So if if if you think
about it, if they know everything, why are you going
to question me? But they're questioning you for your own thoughts.
They want to know what you're thinking at.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
That moment, right, I think they. I think they they
they And I've heard of uh what do you call them? Arcons?
You know, I've heard of these that they thrive on
our emotional status, right, you know? I mean the one
that the one I went to sleep is that creature
whatever it was, and and had health scared out of me.

(01:17:19):
I maybe that's just their form of entertainment, or maybe
they feed on it somehow, and not that this one
that was with me was an ARCon. He was just
like a regular little gray dude. And I think he's
that's the one I told you that was that I
was sharing the memory of the motorcycle crash that said
that's the one that was on records. And ever since then,
I was goofing off on my on my daughter's game

(01:17:41):
system and I went on my head. We played Grand
Theft Auto right, and I decided to get that AID
program would simulate, uh simulate a guy named Trevor because
he's a prick, right, So I got this AI pricked Trevor.
We're talking, and no matter what you say or do,
they always agree, and I always twist it to the

(01:18:03):
better or in the direction that you expect. And that
was the exact way that the creature I was with
was communicating with me, exact same line of talk. It's
the only time I've run across that since it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
So so you had like a yeah, you had like
an aha moment right there, like certain thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Yeah, I pondered, you know that that if he was
even you know, if he was part android or something,
you know AI, because that's the only other time I've
heard anyone communicate in that style.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Yeah. Now, ever since then, have you had any more
communications here recently? Anything has happened to you here recently
as far as, uh, something off the unknown, the extraterrestrial world,
anything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
Over the house over the house here, I had a
drone an orb come by me and spit something out stop,
you know, then it stopped. It's almost sounded like it
was hydraulically spitting something out, like a fire extinguisher, and
then it stopped. And that's back when all the clouds
are showing up everywhere, this fog, right, Yeah, Yeah, yeah,

(01:19:14):
this deg and fog popping up everywhere, and then I
look up and here goes the drone, you know, and
I don't. It was on the window of my car
and it was like ash from a fire pit or something.

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
You can blow it off, but it looked wet, so
I can't. I don't know what it was. But that
and one other time that I that I had an
experience without, and I've seen them on and off over
the years. I've had weird experiences given hindsight, now, you know,
I look back and holy crap. But I was with

(01:19:49):
a friend named Betty Joe, and I mentioned you to her,
her to you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Her and I were lost in the woods walking and
I stay lost, you know, We're talking several hundred acres
and we just got our bearings turned around. I don't
know how it happened. She grew up in these woods
and we were lost next to we got lost bigger
in hell. And then we came back and we felt funny.
We came out on another section of road we wasn't

(01:20:18):
even familiar with as far as we can walk in
that certain way, you know, and then we started remembering
little tidbits and her and I were picked up and
I wasn't treated so nice. I was told to stan
where I was, and they took her and went to
the back of the ship. I remember that. She remembers that,
and I'm going to have that. I've mentioned several times

(01:20:41):
about you know, coming forward with that. Maybe give her
some clothure because she gets peered down the right defensive.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Yeah, because it's scared the hell out of her. That's
why it scared the hell out of her.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
Yeah, yeah, they they There was like a I was
in the same little area kind of around there when
I when I kind of came to and there was
a desk in front of me about four foot tall,
little console there with one sitting in front of it
with kind of a something monitoris in front of him.
I couldn't see the front of it, but I started

(01:21:12):
to move forward like I was familiar with the process.
I couldn't live. It was like I was familiar with
the process. Hey, you know, let me in. And I
felt my heart felt like something had a hold to
my insights. It was hurting, and that the feeling I
got was, you know, you come any closer and that's
the end of you. I'll end you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
So you had a hot out experience that was a hostile.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
Yeah, damn right. I stood there. It felt like someone
was squeezing my heart. I stood back and stood still,
and she was in the back. Then about five minutes later,
he says, you want it, you want you want, you
want this, don't you? And he plugged me in like
the others did mentally for like thirty seconds. But that
was like two hours of time for me in that state. Wow.

(01:21:56):
But he gave he gave me a taste of that,
and then it was over. She came back. She didn't
say a word. She was standing and looking straight forward.
And next thing, you know, we're on the ground picking
ourselves up and we're brushing that. I remember, we're brusting
the stuff off and it's like, wow, I didn't know,
you know what we stepped, what we trip over? And

(01:22:18):
it's like, I don't know. Now, let's get to the house.
I'm ready to go, and you know, we took off stomping.
But she brought it up and after some a lot
of thinking about it, you know, that's exactly what it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
So she she had the memory of it, didn't wipe
her memory away. Sometimes it comes back and sometimes it
comes back slowly, you know, just like Betty Jean. Betty
Barney Hill was saying that her memories came back slowly
after a time. So after time, after something years, Yeah,
it'll come back. And she says, it'll come back to you.

(01:22:50):
You don't have to do you don't have to do
therapy or anything like that. It just well, a little
by little it'll come back. But she was right, she
was right about that. Well, John, Uh, this, I hate
for this conversation to end, but we're a little bit
past our our our our show. But it's okay. It
was a great, great, amazing conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Why not here?

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
Oh I know, I know, I love you too, man,
and you know it's it's uh, I'm glad that you
you're able to to to talk about your experience and
even if somebody is out there that's experienced that as well,
you know, uh.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
It feels wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Yeah, and and at least you're there and you're here
on the aliens trant to explain it to people in
a sense to where even if somebody is experiencing the
same thing as you that it's okay. You know, it's
not it's not bad. You know, to to talk about it.
Sometimes it is good to talk about it because that
way you can, yeah, get out and stay positive. And

(01:23:50):
and that's what I like to do to folks and
just keep everybody on a positive vibe. And so and
so do you you mean you're you're a good person,
good guy. You know, you help out a lot. You
do everything as much you could now, your brand, your
grandpa as well, you know, which is amazing, you know,
And that's that's that's the good thing about being a
good human being. You know, even though you experience that

(01:24:10):
something bad, you know, you you came out, you came
out on top and victorious. I see it that way,
you know, as an amazing human I think too. I
think so. But thank you, John. You got anything else
to say to anybody out there? Maybe there's listening.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
I'll tell you if if you're interested, and uh and
youuthology if you're curious is to what's going on. If
you're curious as to what's going to happen soon, please
join the alien Strand alien Strand too, and uh, Donald A. Deesma,
you're the man. Thank you, so thank you, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Thank you, thank you so much. All right, brother, Well
we're gonna go ahead and let you go. And uh,
you know, we had an amazing conversation and we're gonna
have another one, you know, uh, maybe next week anytime. Yeah, well,
we'll keep on talking about some of these things that
anything you remember that you forgot and we can get
like you said, that's a different show.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
We can Yeah, well we happened to I'm willing to
talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
We'll just we'll do that on another day.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
That's that's good. All right, you have yourself a good night, brother,
and anyway, we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
I love you. I love you, sir. You take care
of yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Brother. All right, guys, I hope everybody enjoyed this amazing
podcast that I had with mister John Dickinson. And uh,
you know, he's he spilled his guts on everything that
he experienced. He's a great person, like like I was
talking about great human being. And you know, he got
everything on the table, not everything, because he still has

(01:25:44):
a lot more stories, you know, And it's it's the
internal memories that they're left behind, almost like your SD card, right,
that they left behind for him to remember, right, And
that's what this whole story was about, was his memory memories,
because those memories are very important and very precious to everyone. Right,

(01:26:05):
And I hope you guys enjoyed and got a lot
out of this conversation that I had with mister Dickinson.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
You know, he.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Wanted to talk about it. He gets excited when he
gets on alien strand you can't hear it in his voice,
but he's excited because he wants to tell the story
and he wants you to hear what happened to him.
And he doesn't change anything. I've already had him on
a few times, same story, same thing, nothing changes in
his story, which means this did happen to him, because

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every detail and everything that he talks about is exactly
the same. So this is how we know that when
people experience an extraterrestrial abduction or an encounter, that the
story doesn't change. It stays the same. And when we
put the pieces of the puzzle together like we did
earlier on how these extraterrestrials eat and what I talk about,

(01:27:02):
and then he brings it up later, right, this is
validation showing that these entities do exist out there in
our solar system and our skies, in our atmosphere below
our feet even walk amongst us. And those are the
things we have to look out for at times, and

(01:27:25):
to make sure that our eyes are open, our minds
are open. Always keep an open mind always no matter what.
And we watch around our surroundings and become good people.
And we're able to express ourselves through podcasts like these
and other podcasts as well, which we really enjoy at times.

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But this is the important part about Alien Strand podcasts
because they're giving you their detailed encounter, which is everything
that you need to hear. This is what makes Alien
Strand different than any other podcast out there. And remember that.

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But thank you guys for listening to today's show. Remember
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John Dickinson. But you know it was. It was a
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Yeah, it's gonna be me.

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