also…brother trope and bad therapy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So first, let's dig it up.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh no, no, no, true, you'll never guess so sidebar.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
And also I feel like I shouldn't have to remember
everything I know. Actually I have to talked about this.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Three two one, Hi everyone. Hey, I'm Alicia and Imreith
and this.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Is also podcast. We're here, We're back, We're better than ever,
We're thirty, we're flirty, we're thriving.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Whatever you want to say. It's a good day, is it?
I feel like it is. Actually it's a fine day.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Nothing spectacular, but it's fine.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's not bad, but it's fine.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
We're healthy and not so wealthy. Like I'd like to
be wealthy, wealthy in the right ways, not in the
right ways.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
In company right here with you.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'd rather have money. But that's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Rude. Have you ever would.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Get into anything? Did you ever watch Mary, Kate and
Ashley growing up?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, do you remember? I don't even remember what sleepover
it was from? You know how they used to do
those sleepover videos. But they did a song called Brother
for Sale. Maybe it wasn't even a sleepover video. No, oh,
they did this song it was brother for.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Sale and it went I'm not gonna, I might.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Sing it, but the lyrics were brother for sale twenty
five cents, and so I would always sing that to
my brother because I'd be like, that's what you're worth.
And honestly, it made me think of that when I
was like, I'd rather have money twenty five rude in
my company, Oh twenty five cents.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
At least put some inflation on that, like a dollar
twenty five. These days it's at least fifty dollars now.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Jesus, this was nineteen ninety nine twenty five cents, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
But that wasn't part of the episode that was so unscripted.
It is a very important part.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Before we get into us talking about other things that
aren't selling my brother for twenty five cents. We have
an Instagram at TikTok and YouTube of Patreon. All the
links are inner description. Please check that out. Please be
sure to rate, review, subscribe. And I checked the reviews
today and we didn't have any new ones. I did.
Most of the time, I don't check, but today I
was like, you know what, I am going to check

(02:14):
and there was.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Oh I'm sad because there was a while there where
we would get one every episode.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
And now it was our vander Pump. People really wanted
to give us their thoughts on us covering vander Pump rules,
which like whatever, but do anything leave a review? Just
it's not that hard.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Maybe it is questions, concerns. We'll take it all.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
This is this is karma because I don't leave a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Of reviews ever since we roasted those two people who
left us those bad reviews. Find me though, it was
so good.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Anyway, let's do small celebrations, Meredith, do you have something
small to celebrate?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
I just want to say that, like TV has been
epic for me in my life. I can't wait to
talk this episode. I've been binging Love Island, I've been
watching the summer I turn pretty. I feel like I
have a perfect mix of reality TV, like random other things,
TikTok's popping off. I just feel like I'm at an
entertainment peak in my life. But I love that.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, amazing and I look fulfilled.
Can I just say, you're glowing right now and it
must be the entertainment you're inhaling.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
It's either that or I did go to therapy today
so I got off my chest.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh maybe you're being healthy.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I have been working out, I've been consuming all the
right things. I'm going to therapy, like I'm yapping hard
with my coworkers. I mean, I hate going to work,
but at least I get aiday up. Yeah, so I
give me my part's clean, Like, yeah, I am driving.
Oh my gosh, I love you have thirty flirty and

(03:52):
thriving at the start of this and I think I'm
there amazing. Yeah, what about what are you thriving in?
What are you celebrated?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Not much? My apartment's a mess. I do hate work.
I have been working out a lot. So we got oh,
but ever since my therapist told me that I'm actually
really mentally stable and don't need to come see her,
I haven't been to therapy, so that's okay.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
But not every Like I think everybody needs to go
to a therapist, but that doesn't mean you need to
consistently go. So that means you're doing great. I know.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
But that was like the worst way to get broken
up with because it was very much like it's you, yeah,
and in a good way. But I was like Stephanie,
I thought we were friends, and she's like.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
I should get to break up like I want to
be like, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
She nicely told me we're really not friends, and I
was like, no, but.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
See, I was thinking about how well walking away from
my therapist. I was like, I need to remember she's
not my friend.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I just low Stephanie and I. It got to a
point where Stephanie would be like anything wrong in your life?
And I'd be like, nope, should we chat about pop culture?
So I'd be like, that's not You're paying so much
money for nothing.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
You do a podcast about this, you need to also
pay for this.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Stephanie is kind of my friend. I guess she's saving
me money by not hanging out with me.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It is what a girl's girl, What a girl's doesn't matter.
I love you, Stephanie, wherever you are. I have her number.
I could reach out if needed, but I won't.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
She said if I ever have a mental breakdown, let
her know my God anyway, So I guess that's a
win that I'm kind of mentally healthy.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
But I have a different small celebration.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
So last night I fed into my addiction and I
went to another New York Liberties game.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Love Alicia, your segments are my favorite part of this podcast.
These days I love.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I mean, there's not much news from this, but I
do say I want to shout out my friend Anna
because she is a true girl's girl in the sense
that you know how you have some friends who like
aren't into the same things as you, so you don't
really ask them to do those things with you. But
sometimes you're like, I just need a friend when you
do this thing, yeah me, and they're like, no, I'm
not going to do that thing.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
That's crazy when people say that to Mena's not like that.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
She doesn't know a lick about basketball. She every time
the whistle blew, she went, what happened now? And I
was like, but the fact that you paid for a
ticket and came with me, you want.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
To also know. She's like asking so she can be
in the loop. She's not just gonna be like poo
poo poop, like whatever, I'm just here like scrolling on
my phone. She wants to be involved as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
It was also hard though, because it's very loud, so
I'd be like and by the time I'm explaining things,
We've moved on to the next whistle, so I would
get overwhelmed. And also I'm trying to watch, so.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
With a live sports game rather than like the lowre
behind it, which you could tell the lore as.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
The game, which she knows the lore. Oh that I've
caught her up on. I think that's why she was there.
But anyway, because Paige Becker's was playing and I was like,
listen to the Lord.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Oh my god, woman, oh my god. I'm obsessed.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
But she always is down to come with me, which
I love an absolute girls girl. And she's a social
media manager. So she was like, you know what you
should do on social media for me? And I went
what she goes, you should have a series where you
explained basketball love wait, like the sport on how how
how it works? What the whistles kind of mean? Because

(07:14):
I don't know if you know this. I also reft
basketball for four years in college and two years in
high school. And in high school they professionally fucking trained
us like I.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Oh, yeah, I had to go to a I had
to go to a Yeah, I had to go to something. Yeah,
because I was a scorekeeper when I was even younger.
And then yeah, I did reffing. I loved it. I love,
I loved I hate a third grade team. But like
real people who know how to play.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
You know, the best is when you get like a
kindergartener and you'd have to you couldn't blow your whistle,
but you'd be like, yeah, remember, dribble the ball, pass it,
and I'd be I'd look at the coach and be like,
why am I doing your job?

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I hate what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
But so I'm technically trained and I can't explain this
very well. So she was like, just do it and
tag me on TikTok and I was like, well, okay,
she really wants me to be famous on TikTok so
she could be my manager. And I said, good luck
to my fifty three followers out there, but easy. So
she's making me post, well she's not making me. But

(08:21):
I did get a text last night that was like,
if you don't post, I'll kill you, and I was like,
all right.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
I love it. Put the lore of basketball on your TikTok.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Oh, it's going to be the rules. I'm going to
be like, this is no I know.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
But then but then once you get to the rules,
you need to keep up with the lore, like you
can do this on your personal and on this podcast
because because.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
All I do is watch actually I work out a
lot while watching the games. It's been very good for
me to go to the games because these women are
insanely athletic.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, and I get very distracted when I'm watching sports,
so I don't notice that I'm working out.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, as long as I see the exercise I need
to do or like.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
No into my head. I'll zone out all day.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
And talk out loud and be like that was crazy.
But it is really motivating to watch them and then
be like I should get off the couch. So I
have been working out, and I never do it after this.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I do that with Kansas basketball, and it helps me
with my like very anxious and stress about the game,
like funning it into doing something active. It is really nice,
I have to say.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Also another tip for anyone who might want to get
into basketball. I have a friend who's a big Liberty fan.
She's very stressed watching the games. I am more a
fan of the certain players, which makes it a lot
easier to be less stressed. Yeah, but it's really stressful
when one of your players like gets injured or something
and then you like have a heart.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's kind of like you have like a fantasy league
where you're just for somebody all over and you've got
your own little alicious team. Let me have let me
on fantasy. You can start that. I'm a part of
your thing. Like they have to have it. It's not
that hard to set up, like the logistics if they're
already doing like men's basketball fantasy teams, like it's just

(10:10):
about a company loading in the right players. That's true. Damn,
I'm gonna look into that.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
But yeah, I went shout out Anna for going with me,
and shout out her.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
For wanting to learn sports.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Love it because I love it anyway. Should we get
a news, yes, do you have any news? I only
have small news.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
You do yours, and then I'll dive into the TikTok
series I've been watching. Oh my god, I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So in WNBA news there's not a lot, But for
the past two weeks now, there is this trend. Well
it's not a trend. It's something that's happening at games.
A giant green dildo is being thrown onto courts across
the country, and you think it's it was just the
one time. So it happened at one game green dildo

(10:59):
was thrown onto the court and the game had to
stop obviously, and no one wanted to pick it up
because we don't know where.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
This has been. Well, also, this is televising heavily photographs,
so like who's gonna be them?

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Them covering it with towels was so funny because they
didn't want to lay it and then get the other line,
so they were just holding it and the.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Cameraman zooms in so you see it.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Anyway, It was amazing whoever the cameraman was and shout
out to whatever channel it was on for not cutting away.
But so that happened at one game, and you'd think,
like that's the end.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
But then I was like one incident.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
I think it has happened at five different games at
this point, like.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
All across the country. You said, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Last night alone, I was on full alert.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
I let anna know.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
I was like, a green dildo may be thrown onto
the court because there's no pattern. It happened like twice
in Atlanta, but then it moved to like Indiana, and
then it might have happened in San Francisco. I forget,
but it moved around and people were like, and it's
not every game, So you're like, I don't know if
it's gonna happen or not. So I was on full watch,
but I got back home and saw a TikTok. It

(12:10):
happened in La last night. The Sparks were playing the
Indiana Fever and the green dildo was thrown onto the
court and it hit.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Maga barbimazing.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Hilarious and then shout out Kelsey Plump for kicking it
off the court and went like, let's just keep playing.
But Maga Barbie was like, ew, you know, like you
I have to we have to time out. So I
then so that happened.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
And then my god, I saw.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
TikTok today that said there actually was a green dildo
thrown in New York last night. But the person that
threw it it didn't hit the court, It hit other
people below them in the stand.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Peop. Don't involve the FID.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
It almost hit a child. But what it's like simultaneously
justusing and hilarious.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
No, I love it. I don't want unless it's unless
it's been used, it's not that disgusting, it's fantastic, or
it's just silicone.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I am curious though, like why this, why is it this?
We're throwing out the court and you started it, and
now is it a group of mind? People? Are there
coppy cats?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Mine's like is there a communication like little group texts
and people are like, you know what, let's just cause
some drama. Also are these people now being banned? Like
what's the repercussions? Because facial recognition, Like.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
So I know it like two games that happened, they
caught the person, but like in Chicago, I know it
happened to them once and they did not catch the person.
So I don't know. I don't know because if I
saw someone next to me, I don't know if I
would pay that big attention. But if someone near me,
you got to chuck that thing for it to hit

(13:55):
the court, for to hit a player. It hit Maga
Barbie while she was playing, So ideally you stand up
and chuck that thing, right, Yeah, if I, like someone
near me like throw something, I would I maybe clock that.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
But also I don't know if I would pay that
big attention. Also I'm loving this, so I don't think
I would be like they're over here, like I I
wouldn't know, I didn't see anything.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I think I would more be like are you is
this a crew?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Or on this sign?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Up? Did you just see it once and go that.
I also want to do that.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, it is. Are there copy cats or are they
all connected?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
What's the point is?

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Is there a point? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
And the end of the day it gets thrown under
the court, there's a timeout and then it's removed. So
are you sending a message? Is there something written on
the dildo?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
We're not looking well. Are they doing it strategically for
their team to get a time out? You know what? Honestly,
there's a lot of questions here. We're just we're just
journalists wanting to know what's going on with the green
dil dos.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
So, yeah, that is. It's the weirdest thing. But it's
actually like so funny. They're calling it like the green
machine or the Green Monts something like that, but I
just call it the green dildo because on TikTok you
can't say dildo, I guess.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
But here's my thing.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
If you don't feel comfortable getting flagged for saying dildo,
you're not old enough to talk about dildo's gat like,
just grow up. And if you flag a video for
saying dildo.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Grow get off of TikTok.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Come on, literally grow up. But yeah, so that's happening.
I kind of wish it'd hit the court last night
in New York, and I know I would have.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Wanted to be at a game where it happens, to
be in the room where it happened, where it happened. Yeah,
So speaking of that really quickly. Somehow I've gotten on
TikTok a thread.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Of the.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I know what you're gonna say, the like twenty year
old girls doing what's the song from Hamilton? I don't
even remember right now.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
It's like Alexander come back to sleep.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yes, I think he's like sneaking out to go to
the door, and they're like dressed in full cosplay of
this man with like either like good goates and mustaches
or them drawn on and them sneaking out of windows.
I'm loving this trend, but the minu you look at one,
it's like a disease. I have a hundred of them now.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I like that the girls are kind of trolling Hamilton
for hating his wife.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Ya ya.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I saw Hamilton in twenty eighteen for the first time,
or twenty seventeen. I literally left and looked at my
mom and was like, he's a shitty ass husband, this guy.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Fuck him.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
And even my dad. My dad's a history buff and
he really likes Hamilton, and I'm always like, he's a
fucking loser, that guy.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
That guy's a loser because he treats his wife terribly, terribly.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So I get that that's the trend, but I have
so many questions, my first one being who did this first?
And my second being how did it catch out? I
one day opened my for you page two thousands of these,
and I went, did I miss? I was on a newsletter.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I saw one and was like, what is happening? I
was like, is this a trend? So I clicked on
the audio and that is what infested I know, and
I was like, God, damn it. So I scrolled through
a few of them, and I've seen probably every single
one since. My favorite is the girl who did it
from her ring camera on the balcony or like outside
the back and in the comments, somebody was like, oh

(17:29):
my god, that'd be so funny if your neighbor saw you,
and she goes, yeah, no, I did run into my neighbor,
like climbing over the wall into like, yeah, the glass.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I just I want to know who went We're all
gonna do this and who else went let me get
my like my my trousers out, like how did we
get here?

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I miss something because I thought, who does it? Doesn't
make it a trend. It's like the person who's doing it,
who's like, no, no, no, we're doing this now and I
are doing this.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
We can't even give credit to the right person because
we don't know how this, how this happened. I I
already like a lot of Hamilton shit on TikTok. So
this was prime for me, and I was simultaneously upset
and confused but cracking up. Oh my god, right, if
anyone knows how we got here, can you let me know.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I'm just so thankful. They're like crawling out of windows
because like that's what's doing it for me, set back
in and being like go back to bed.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I love when they look so mad when they got caught,
like the minute the life is like Alexander and they're like, ah.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Like that's morning out of town.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Like I like seeing them when their backs are like
to the wife character and how they act there, because that,
to me is so funny, because I think Hamilton's a
fucking loser that is doing.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Exactly what you expect him. To do.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
It was so good anyway, shout out all those girls.
I don't know how we got here, but I'm supported me.
You like them too, I like them.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
All trends going on right now. Do you want to
go again or you want me to do my final
little piece? You go again because I'll go back to
TikTok and mine is a wall.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Okay, okay, okay, Mine's really quick. So we're just gonna
make this worse. You know, I think I sent you
a video, but I'm gonna talk about it. You know
how last week I told you about my two hobbies
coming together in one podcast. But it's terrible because it's
Maga Barbie who got hit with a tilt.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
It so funny, Amazing Karma, Mitch Karma.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
And Wes Wilson, who is a performative liberal.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah. Great.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I found out from Dave Portnoy of all people, on
his Shitty Ass podcast that they originally went to Barstool
to be like can we be on your platform? Which
is insane because how Barstool is like the fucking worst
that is hell on earth?

Speaker 1 (19:49):
This Barstool story. Hear this as people two people who
are already cemented like figures and known creators. I'll say
to go to barstool because Barstool is great for people
who want to become a creator. Like they do take
advantage of you, but you can give you a platform. Yeah,
we need to go to them when you already have

(20:10):
a platform.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Like when you're already established. I actually don't know who
has their hot I think it was a perplex.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I was shocked that he would be allowed to do
something with another media brand. That's true, I just assumed.
I guess it was complex.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's iHeart, Oh, it's iHeartRadio great and the value I
don't know what that is. But basically, Dave Portnoy of
all people, which I kind of wish this was on
barstool because I think more people would fucking hate it.
But Dave Portnoy said no to the podcast because he
was like, hey, one of them is a professional athlete
in her season right now, so she's not gonna be

(20:46):
able to do a lot of the lake work to
like promote this thing. And b he was just like
Wes didn't seem like the type of guy to like
put the work in.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
So I say he was basically saying like he would
they Barstool would pick up a lot of the work
for marketing it, producing it, everything with very little return
for them because these are established creators and the people
they were negotiating with Barstools negotiating with like the managers
of West and what is her name, Sophie Maggie, Yeah,

(21:18):
what is her name?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Maga Barbie, Maga Barbie, Yeah, Sophie Cunning.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
They were like negotiating with their managers. And Dave Warner
he doesn't like that, which like no, which is not great,
but I understand what he's saying. He's like, they would
want a lot more money for not doing a lot
of the work too.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
That which I get because they are already established. But
then I'm also confused why they would go, like you said,
to Barstool, because they do.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
They just shopped it around like they just like sent
out basically a bit or kind of what they were
doing to a bunch of different people, and.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Maybe I don't know how to promote it, and so
they were like Dave would do it, your Dave's company would.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Do it, so whatever, I.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Don't know how I mean, I kind of, like I said,
I kind of wish it happened so that all the
shitty ass people would be on one network and I
would know it to avoid.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
But someone say that Barstool TikTok pages are like cockroaches,
like you block one and they just keep popping up,
and I need to start bogging them because I don't
want to see them.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
All I get is fucking barstool, or like the user
five seven, eight twelve that like copies Barstool, And then
I get that and I'm like, I block Dave Portenoy,
leave me alone. But on the plus side, my girl
Azy Fudd is coming out with a podcast. It comes
out this week. Yes, fut around and find out. I
don't know if it'll be good. Here's my thing, here's

(22:43):
my thing. I think it's lovely. Everyone making podcasts.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
I love it so much.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
I think Aisy has a beautiful little voice I want
to listen to, and I'm interested. However, I am interested
in the lore. I'm interested in her life. How much
of that is she going to give me?

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, I don't know what it's about. Is it like
a person now the like kind of pop culture podcast?
Or is it an interview podcast? Like did she say
to me at all? It was?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
It's kind of a mash posh honestly when she was
like her intro was very much like I'm Ezy Fud
on this podcast. You're going to learn a lot more
about me, my family, like what it's like being a
student athlete, like a national champion. I might even have
some special guests like that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Okay, great, But then.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
It was like Paige got interviewed and was asked like,
are you gonna be on Aisy's podcast? And Paige was like,
I don't know, maybe maybe not, But then she said like,
I know Asy has a great co host, so I
know the podcast will do great.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I was like, okay, Fock's the co host? Are they
she has a co host? Though I bet it's just
them being able to yap back and forth about her
life more so and whatever's going on in general. But
that makes me feel better if she has a co host,
because it's hard to anchor a podcast.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well if you're by yourself. I couldn't imagine. So I
was like, is she gonna then bring people in? Because
then the stud buds? But during Allister WEEKND never Forget,
We're like bring us on the podcast, and I was like,
what is she going to do with the stud buds?
Who barely know her name. Like, how are we gonna
get here?

Speaker 1 (24:15):
What are they gonna talk about? Is my question? I
think's really really fun with podcasts.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, I think it'd be really fun if she like
brought in her her family and told like her origin
story and like gave us an inside look at her
experience as a student an athlete, like whatever. I think
that'd be great, But also I could see that kind
of getting old.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
I don't know, I have no idea what to expect,
Like that is only so many episodes. I always think
about ours, like we're coming up on six years now,
and it really started with us covering Banner Pump and
then Summer House, and those are really easy to talk
about because it's an episode happens, we talk about the episode.
But this style of podcasts that the also episodes really

(24:58):
only came about so many years of doing it, and
it was like what we did on our pre shows,
so we already had our structure. Like I think finding
the structure and the pillars of like what you want
to talk about tends to be what like dooms a
lot of podcasts because people try to either do too
much or they just don't know what to do. We
got very lucky that it just like naturally evolved for

(25:20):
us that we.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Spent about a year at work doing this exact thing,
and then we spent about three years doing this exact
thing before we would actually record this type of em
and then we were like, let's just also record us
doing this. But I'm interested also see who the co
host is because imagine it's a stranger who's just like

(25:42):
list of questions.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
That's what's scary, is like, like, you gotta have good chemistry,
Like I think we have good chemistry because we were
so like we were friends for two and a half
years before we ever started a podcast and then like
this type of chemistry of all over years of podcasting, yeah,
like to be able to do this episode. Yeah, So

(26:05):
I just tell people podcasting isn't hard, but like it's
it's who you are with, Yeah, like you like it's
easy for us to yeah, like this is our personality,
but still you gotta there's some work and like mental
thought behind it.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well that you have to prepare, especially if you don't
have if you don't know if you have the natural
chemistry with someone like like you said, this was two
and a half years in the making and then we
still recorded about something, so it wasn't like we needed
to prepare. But then when we started these episodes, we
did have to prepare a little. Yeah, and like figure

(26:39):
out what hit and kind of what didn't and so
what the group?

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Still gonna listen, don't get me wrong, and if paid absolutely,
I swear to God. If pay shows up and they
don't give us the timeline of their relations I'm gonna
freak the fuck out. I just need to know if
my story in my head that I wrote down, Yeah,
Book Slash Love and.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Bad Skotball Too is correct. We gotta get working on
that screenplay. We got to be the first to get
to it.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
People are already I bet doing it.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
We should have done this.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
How good are you at writing? Because I'm terrible. I'm
an idea.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Listen. I think we just need to get an outline
down and get a few chapters and send it to
a We got to start with a book because then
book to movie, book to TV show.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
You know, Okay, I say, one Sunday when we're not
doing anything, I'm serious about this.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I am too, because I know, no, no, we are
going to start a new notes app and just throw
some ideas in there and just have that like.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Gone, I just need help with the like the dialogue,
because I can do that.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
We can do that because I think we just need
to create the full outline of where we want the
story arc to go, and then we can start writing
each chapter. I'm so serious about this lead show, no
bet that I'm.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Going to do this as soon. I want to hang
up now so I can just direct my helf know
how it's gonna go in my head.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
I haven't log on and it's like a thirty minute
episode and they're like, what happened? And it's us ending
right now? Yeah, I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
No, I have at least two full chapters.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Wait for them.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I have a lot of it's like timeline and then
it's like there's one you know how in every movie
and book that's actually fucking good, there's a moment that
you're like that changes things. I have that moment, okay,
almost perfectly, that's the one I see it. The rest

(28:26):
of it is just like and then I think they
like maybe hang out here, maybe, but where it's like okay,
they meet and then they like the building, and then
they like I don't know, look at each other a
little long, but then the thing happens that I'm like, oh,
you know, and.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Then after three because we're doing it's three. Yeah, they're right,
it like the quarters.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, we'd have to let me just that's how I'll line,
and I'll be like one correct, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
There.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
We go in and add your notes and we'll just well,
whenever we think of ideas, we'll we'll bring it up
or we'll add it in and we can see if
it flows.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I'm so serious about this.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
We will need to think of like cute little lines,
you know, like literally things that stick throughout.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
That's what I think will be the hardest part. I
think getting just like the outline, the idea and all
of the context down is gonna be easy. It's the
dialogue and this in like writing the of the scene. Yeah,
we all need.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
A line that's like I'll play you for your heart.
It's got to hit, it's got to hit. Yeah, I
just don't.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
But we need a new version of that obviously, so
oh yeah, we're whop that. It's gonna be so stupid.
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
I'm so cringe, but I'm gonna do it because what
else am I doing.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Here's the thing. The worst thing this happens is it's
just our like fan fiction ever seen in like like
we throw it on Pagreon for people to enjoy and
that's it. We put a Tumblr page. Oh no, well
and wait in sad news, I do have one more
actual WMA.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
They're said, no, it's okay, but a family was split up,
and I think we need a moment when Paige when
Page joined the Dallas Wings, okay back in April May.
I don't even know she joined. And you know how
rookies they always like find a vet that they kind
of clean, like you know, a rookie vet relationship. Page's

(30:25):
vet was named is named she's still alive. His name
dje Carry.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
And I'm like, who died and died? But her name
is dj A Carrington.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
And then what was cool about Djna is her girlfriend
Melissa was also on the team. And remember I kind
of talked about them where they like had that that
got them back together because she touched the waist could
write it out her love in basketball. But we'll start
with one and see where we end up. But basically
they go through like half the season together and then
Melyssa gets traded to Las Vegas, so she's out, which

(30:57):
I also think I talked about because Djna we split
up a family because technically Djna was like Pages VET,
but then like Melissa kind of became Paige's dad and
DJA was Pages, so the joke was like, oh, these.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Are Pages parents.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
And then Melissa got traded and everyone was like, oh
my god, Dja's a single mom. That's so sad, and
DJA was heartbroken. But then it came out like I
think literally a few days ago, Djna got traded to Minnesota.
No she literally people were like Pages no parents, and

(31:37):
it was so sad because they actually really like fed
into the joke, like at all start weekend they were
taking videos of Page and they're like make mommy and
daddy proud, and it was Sonny and then like, oh,
it's so sad. And then Paige was interviewed yesterday before
the game, like, you know, how's it going without Djna

(31:58):
because that was kind of her main VET. Yeah, and
then like also Melissa and she's like, yeah, they were
kind of like my adopted parents. Like I know, we'll
always be close, but it kind of sucks that they're
not here anymore.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I know it's a business, but whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
And then Djana like retweeted it and was like our
child's for real, and I was like, I can't believe
the WNBA is splitting families up. I mean, like I
sat here.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Like it's this is how heartless our country is right
now across.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
I know it's so so although Dja, I think it's
gonna thrive outside of this Dallas team because this team's
a mess and I have a bed to.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
It, but like the social lore of it is sad.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
And then people were extra sad because Page has these
tear away pants. It's such an ack when she dug it.
I'm so sorry to everyone on TikTok who's like it's
so hot when she rips her pants off. It's really not.
It's so uncomfortable for everyone involved. But she would rip
them off in front of Djanet all the time, just
like bug. Her would always be like go away, like

(33:02):
stop bothering me. And then yesterday at the game, she
just but them. People were like, damn depression hits, and
I was like, yo.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Page in her depression era anyway, I thought that was
so funny.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Sorry to Page has no parents, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
We're thinking of you.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, because I don't know who you hang out with.
Now you know all your friends are gone.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Your bits, especially like the pant rip off, Like you
have no bits anymore. You gotta start from scratch.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I know the best Isnlissa Dja do a lot of
tiktoks of them cooking with each other.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
So you just know Page is starving. Now.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I know she has like a wing stop deal and
a door Dash deal.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
But now she's she's not one.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, she can't cook for yourself, no offense. She's white.
I'm just gonna assume it's not very good. It's not
very flavorful, I would say, So we lost everything.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh god. Oh well, okay, that's it for me. That's
all the news I got. Do you have news? Well,
on that depressing note, let's talk about the TikTok series.
I think the girl's name is Karen, but it doesn't
really matter. The girl who fell in love with her psychologists.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
I saw people talking about this and I couldn't. I
looked for all of thirty five seconds to try and
find the videos, and I was like, couldn't find them.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
So I moved on.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Tell me all about this.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Okay, I'm going to start with this disclaimer because we're
gonna put all jokes and all shitty comments in after this. Oh,
I don't mean this is The intention is not to
victim blame. The intention is not to you know, shame
this woman. The psychologist really should have had way better
professional boundaries. Like it's like inappropriate on both sides. I

(34:52):
will say though, So this girl had a like add
or ADHD and sawt a psychiatrist to get medication, which
is what you go to of course, And so I've
never seen a psychiatrist person personally, so like, I don't
know the standard norms, and I'm betting a lot of
the people watching these have not either. So this woman

(35:16):
had a therapist, had a psychologist and went to the
or sorry, she had a therapist and then went to
the psychologist to get her medication. So she was seeing
both or like her therapists retired, she gets a new
one later on, so she is like seeking other medical help.
But she starts seeing this guy. It's over zoom and

(35:37):
she you know, gets on her medication and at first
you know he's asking. Again, I've never been to one,
so I don't know the standard way, can I ask
you a question.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, do we know the difference between a psychologist and
a psychiatrist.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
The psychiatrist like typically works with the medication on like
helping mental like health things, and so they are talking
to you about I believe, similar things as a therapist,
but like a therapist is working with you on you know,
behavioral things that you can do throughout your life, whereas
like you may be talking about the same issues, but
they're trying to work out your medication in dosage to

(36:10):
make sure it's like working best for you.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
So she's falling in love with her psychiatrists psychoa.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Oh wait, the medical psychiatrist. Yes, sorry, she's falling in
love as the medication guy. So that the medication person
is a guy and the therapist is a girl, great
like an older woman. And so she's seeing this guy
and he puts on medication and he's like asking her

(36:38):
like clinical things like you know, like how are you depressed,
you know after like being on this medication. How is
your appetite, your bowel movement? You know, like how are
you physically doing being on this medication? And so she'd
been seeing him for like six months. I guess what
she said and I'm just gonna say this upfront. I
think she's an unreliable narrator, So like I'm gonna doubt

(37:01):
somethings she's saying and like how things are going based
on what she has said. Again, I've never seen one,
so I don't know, but she said that, like, I
guess you're only supposed to see him every three months,
which that just doesn't make sense to me. If that's
the way that's going on, that's crazy to me. If
that's how you get diagnosed with like medication and like, okay,

(37:21):
you will don't see them for three months, I find
that crazy. If that is what is like is the
standard protocol. But she was seeing this guy every single month,
and she starts having feelings for him, and they like
get on their zoom call at some point and he
was like, oh, your hair's curled, and she was like,
oh my god. He like is giving me compliments, but
like not like he's like clearly like wanting to point

(37:43):
out things he likes about me, and I'm like, Girly,
he can point things out without flirting with you. So
that's why I think she's an unreliable one because she
when she tells certain like incidents. I'm like, you're reading
into some of those things too, Like he can compliment you,
and I don't think that it's weird personally, but maybe
maybe I'm crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
But him saying, hey, your hair is curled isn't really
a compliment.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
No, And she like, he's like getting around it, like
it's inappropriate to compliment me. So like he's like getting
around it.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
And I'm like, whoa, If you look homeless nine times
out of ten and then one day you curl your hair,
of course someone's gonna go, oh, your hair is curled.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
And on that comment, she also says, and once I
showed up. These are two different incidents, and I was
wearing glasses and he was like, you're wearing glasses and
she was like he noticed. And not only did he notice,
she was like, oh, I have another pair, gets up,
goes to get the other pair, and he was like, oh,
I much prefer tortoise glasses, Like I like the style
of tortoise glasses. And she was like, he loved these glasses,
so I keep wearing them in these videos, the TikTok videos.

(38:47):
Just in Casey's watching.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Where is don't tell me, but I looked it up
really quick. How often can you see a psychiatrist? It
depends on your individual needs and symptoms. Whoever interesting to
start more freaks in so you can build the relationships
so they know how to diagnose you.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
So that's even crazier because she was going monthly.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
And then real psychiatrists.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I don't know, I don't know. Again, she's giving it
to us from her side.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Okay, likes okay, So I prefers one pair of glasses,
but he doesn't necessarily prefer her in glasses.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I love it, he says, I prefer tortoise.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
This is giving, Honestly, this is giving. Like when you
have a crush on your best friend's older brother and
he says hi to you, and then you look at
and you're like, I'm going to marry your older brother.
And we've all done this type of delusion because let
me tell you, let me tell you, let me tell ya.
I once had a personal trainer who we would just
maybe flirt a little bit and I would leaven be like,

(39:46):
he's obsessed with me. But I wasn't seriously thinking he
was obsessed with me. I was joking to be like,
I just I like the attention and I like that
I for an hour a week go to flirt.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Absolutely, It's like if he would say anything to her
complimentary or like positive, she was like, see he was,
and she was. She would always say like he knows
professional boundaries, so he's like, not, he's not crossing the line,
but I know what he's doing. And I hate when
people say like I know what he was feeling inside,
I know what he meant by that, or like she

(40:21):
would throw a different tone on it, where I'm like,
if you say those words without that tone, that's not weird.
So it's it's hard for me not to question if
she's just interpret interpreting things in a way she shouldn't
early on in these things. And then she said she
like she was falling for this guy. So she tells
her therapist that she really likes this got like this

(40:45):
guy she's seeing, and the therapist did nothing. So also
very inappropriate of the therapist not to be like you
either need to stop seeing this guy or you like
you need to have better boundaries. Woa oh. So she
sees him once a quarter based no, no monthly for
like six months.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
She sees him once a month for she's met him
six times. That's probably what six over zoom, six hours
over zoom, and she's like, I'm in love with him
because he prefers my tortoise classes.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
We're just getting started, by the way, but yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Then she tells a therapist, and a therapist is like,
go off, Girly.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
The therapist eventually tells the patient to tell this is
it the psychiatrist kind I'm always gonna mess these up
the psychiatrist about her sex life with the boyfriend the
therapist has, And I was like, okay again, wait wait,
I feel like I mean text in that because if
you're having like your sex drive isn't there, and like

(41:48):
the medication could be messing with that. Yeah, that's the
corporate thing to tell these people. Wait, Warren, Karen has
a boyfriend. Karen has a boyfriend at this point.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Okay, so the therapist is like, you should talk to the
psychiatrist about your sex life with your boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yes, So the therapist is also not helping any of this.
Is she real therapy?

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Are these people real?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I don't. I'm like, Girly, you need to sort out
some better medical help first off. But anyways, okay, so
this stuff is happening. Karen does tell the psychiatrist about
her sex life, and she doesn't say what really happens,
but like she was like he loved it, and again,
well that he loved it. She didn't say anything about

(42:35):
her sex drive. She just said she talked about her
sex life. So I'm like, there so much context is
missing from the story that I'm like, it's hard for
me to know if you're telling your doctor's things that
you shouldn't be saying, or you should be saying, or
if it's weird or not weird. It's just a lot
of like he loved it, and I'm like, I don't
believe you.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
But anyways, question, have you ever talked to your therapist
about your sex life? Because I haven't.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I haven't because I it's not a problem I've needed
to discuss. But if I was having intimacy issues with
a partner, I think I would probably bring in oh okay,
But we don't know if she was having issues.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
She could say she does great sex every night with that,
Like she doesn't say what.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
She says, so it's really hard to determine if like
she's being weird too. But so like they're having these
discussions and she begs the psychiatrists to have appointments weekly
because she's so obsessed with him, she wants to see
him more regularly. She recognizes that she had a crush
in an obsession with him, and I'm like, that's where
you need to also have a boundary and walk away

(43:40):
from this guy. And so do we like her age? No, okay,
but she says him the psychiatrist in her about the
same age, So like this isn't like a it's weird. No, no, no,
I think she would be around our age or a
little bit older.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
And so I'm looking up how many years of school
do you.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Need to be He finally is like, yeah, fine, we
can have weekly appointments, and she later is like he
had no professional boundaries, and I'm like, the boundaries aren't
just on him. I agree he should have stopped like
having her as a patient. He should have like phased
her to a different doctor. But like you as a
patient should show up and have some professionalism as well,

(44:25):
like you shouldn't do this stuff to medical professionals as well,
like some of the things she was saying.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah, so it also takes twelve years of schooling, it says,
to be or like you need an undergraduate, you go
to medical school for four years and then you have
to do four years of residency to become a certified psychiatrist.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
So he's at least like thirty two. Yes, I think
she said he had twelve years of professional experience, which
I'm guessing includes the like residency, so his late thirties
at this point.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Hobstually Okay, so she's she's stat.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Sing him weekly. He's fully obsessed. The therapist is also
not helping her, I mean like egging things on.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
That therapist is messy. She was in an entertainment black hole.
She had nothing, and she was like, finally something.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
The therapist also has inappropriate other boundaries with her by
asking for help with other clients because the client Karen
helps people with ADHD like herself and like setting up
her life, which I'm like, I don't know what that means,
but so like the therapist is asking for help. Karen
tells the psychiatrist about that, and he's like, that's in

(45:37):
an appropriate relationship, and she was like, oh, so he
really does know inappropriate not inappropriate like relationships with patients,
and she's like, see, he knew things to do it
by the book and to have boundaries. He knew how
to walk right up to the line and then cut
it off. And I was like, having a boundary shouldn't
be used against you because there was some one time
or she brought something up and he was like, that's inappropriate.

(45:59):
Where not gonna, we're not discussing this. And she started
emailing him out like a bunch of times outside of sessions.
So he stopped responding to her and would respond to
her in their sessions only, and so he would like
read all the emails and then come to the appointment
and they would discuss it in the appointment, and she
was like, see, he didn't want a written trail, and
it's like, no, he doesn't want you to monopolize his

(46:21):
time and have you feed into the rest of his time. Again,
it depends on what they're talking about too, Like he
can be inappropriate as well, but him setting boundaries with
his time doesn't mean he's trying to avoid a paper
trail with you, okay, And so that's okay. They have
been seeing each other or like professionally seeing each other

(46:42):
for like a year and a half and Karen and
that point they had broken up her off, No, that's
when he should have he should have this. That's why
I put that at the beginning. That is his biggest
fault is he needed to transfer her as a patient
long before. But she is definitely reading into things, like
she turned off the comments because so many people were like, babe,

(47:02):
that's not inappropriate for him to comment on your glasses.
So then Karen of seeing him for like a year
and a half, and she had broken up with her
original boyfriend, she starts seeing this new guy who happens
to be a therapist who tells her that he is
obsessed with one of his patients, and she was like,

(47:24):
oh my god, this is insane. Da da da, And
then she starts.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Wait wait wait, wait wait wait wait wait, she's dating
a new guy who is a therapist, a therapist who
is obsessed with one of his pages guiets, the same
way she is obsessed with her psychiatrist. Correct, why are
they dating each other?

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Like? Should I think this was casual? Like they just
they were going on a few dates, not like boyfriend
girlfriend serious, But she.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
If I would I date with a guy and he
was like, I'm I ever obsessed with either my therapist
or my client.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I would be like, what am I doing here. He
literally said he had to jack off before this girl's
appointments because he was like obsessed with her. Yes, I
was like, why are you seeing this boy? And also
this should be red flags to you too, But anyways, anyways,
so she tells psychiatrist happened. She tells the psychiatrist about this,

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and he's like, oh wow, that's like really interesting. She
also starts up.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
What's his name so I can maybe report him to
the police.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
He was like, that's inappropriate, and she was like, see,
he knows, he knows how to just like keep he knows,
he knows that things are inappropriate. And he she goes,
he is such a smart predator. He knows that things
are inappropriate, so he keeps things by the book. And
it's like, that doesn't mean he's into you.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
A smart predator is insane, I'm god.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
So then so then she starts shot. She stops seeing
the therapist because she recognizes that the therapist is not
good for her and is feeding her obsession with the psychiatrist.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
That therapist is messy. I could never have a therapist
like that, but I want that therapist as my friend.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
She would tell me that the tea.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
So then Karen starts new therapy with CHATCHYPT and names
the thread Henry.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
She's like Craig Conover.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Probably, So she takes the emails and gives the dialogue
some dialogue of what Karen and the psychiatrist converse about
and feed it to Chatchibt to get its opinion on
her love for the psychiatrist, and the chatchipt tells her
back like, hey, it's it is really easy to fall

(49:58):
in love with mental health professionals because they provide you
a lot of safety, and so people it is it
is a common thing to fall in love with them
because you're given so much safety and this like safe
environment environment to grow and so you really enjoy the
space you feel with them. And so there's a protocol
of when people do fall in love, like you are

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supposed to transfer the client to someone else and or
talk through the feelings about how it's not either like
the trauma response of like why they feel so attached
to you, and or like talk through the feelings so
they can come out of the feelings and like put
them on a person in their life and like try
to find that feeling somewhere else. And so there is

(50:40):
a protocol, and this is where the psychiatrist does not
follow it. Soon the psychiatrist does not know. I don't
think at this point. I think he knows that she
has like crushes or is into him, but it doesn't
the way she said it. It doesn't seem so serious. But
she was like, I'm in love with you, So I
don't think yeah, should have transferred it anyways, But I
don't think he realized how deep this was.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
I don't think so either, because what she's like, please please, please,
can we meet wakely, He's probably like, oh, she's really
going through it. I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Also, it is a business. Mental health is a business,
so like, you're not going to turn a patient away
who wants me to pay you and fill up your schedule.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I feel like if my client was also like, I'm
dating someone else, I'd be like, oh, they're not that.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
They couldn't be.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
That obsessed with me. They're dating someone else, right.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I guess I don't know. She doesn't give us this context.
So then she's chatting with CHATCHYBT. Then CHATCHYBT tells her sorry.
Henry tells her that there's this thing called transference where
you put these feelings onto your you know, that's the
official term. And so she goes to her psychiatrist and
tells him about that, and he's.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Like, wait, wait about transference or about her.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Being about with about transference and how she you know,
has these feelings for him, and she learned what transference
is and he was like, did chatchypt tell you about count?
I think it's called a counter transference or something, and
she was like no, and she's like, see he knew
what he was doing. He slipped up in that moment.
So she goes and she chatchypts, what is like counter

(52:18):
train explain into her. No, so you said it was
like he was scared, Like he was scared, And so
what it is is, Okay, it's where the therapist, like
the professional has feelings back too, and like does engage
with that because when somebody falls in love with you,
I think it can happen both ways because it is

(52:39):
like a safe space and you're having all this dialogue,
like there's a lot of feelings involved in like mental
health work. And so again, the protocol for.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
That red flag, well, I think it's easy.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
For it to happen, but there's a protocol for what
happens when you have it, or like when it develops
and so like again if you transfer the patient out and.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
So wait but wait, it's it's weird that he She
was like, do you know about transference? And he's like, yeah,
do you know about was it the secondund transference? And
she goes no, and he goes, Okay, look it up.
That's weird that he was a great great that he
brought this up. That's also weird.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
That's where I'm like, he he got weirder as it
got on, and I believe her more in the later half,
but early on, I'm like, early you you read into
a lot of these.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Things yours truly. I'm trying not to blame him because
I think at the end of the day he right
as what you've told me so far. He sounds kind
of like more of the victim. However, she sounds so
mentally unstable that I can't blame her for anything living
in a delusion.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I'm wondering if he thinks she's in a delusion and
is trying to sort her meds out, like I just
am questioning, like what.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
His what meds is he giving her?

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Holy But he wasn't doing anything inappropriate. I'm so curious
what his thoughts were.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I don't like that he brought up counter transference. I
don't either, Okay, keep going.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
So then she chatchypetes it and within an hour of
the session.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
In love with Henry. Next she's hold on.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Within the hour of the session, she emails it back
to him. Again, he does not reply to her emails,
so she just has that record of like sending it,
and she puts it on screen of like what chatchy
Pete said, and she was like, see how I knew it.
I knew he had feelings for me. And I'm like,
that isn't that also, isn't a confirmation.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I agree, it's weird inappropriate, but.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Like that that isn't confirmation that he's also in love
with you. It's weird. Also, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
It's a weird crumb to leave. I'll give you that,
I'll give.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
She's always like, he's breadcrumbing me all the time. Listen
to this, he would smirk at me, he would, And
again half of these most of these sessions are via zoom,
and she finally finds out that he does in person,
so he's like, we're doing in person and he's like,
if you really want to, but like, I would like
to stay on zoom and so like she's she goes
in person. Every once in a while she'll go in

(55:09):
person and then this is the best, this is my
favorite part. Oh wait, hold on, let me tell you this.
I'm in another appointment she was talking about, or like
she came and after the chatty I think it might
have been before the counter transference or whatever it's called
was mentioned, but she had told the psychiatrists that she
was talking to chat GPT for a therapist. And he

(55:32):
was like, and that she named it Henry and he
was like when I was if you like fall in
love with a boy named Henry, and and she's like, oh,
I would rename my chatchypete and he was like okay,
and she was like, see he's so invested in like
who I'm dating and like what's going on? So then
I am more concern.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
If you tell me you're going to chet she bet
for therapy, I would be like, I my concern is
that that's.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
So I believe this may not be a part of
the fact, but I swear she said it was a
full moon and she was ovulating and oh, my god,
I'm gonna kill myself. And she has a vivid dream
about her and the psychiatrist having sex in his office
on his desk, and she's like she wakes up and

(56:19):
she's like, I can't believe he would cross his boundaries
like that. And it's like that was in your mind.
That didn't happen, Okay, So she goes to her next
appointment and tells him, and she goes, he looked scared,
and I was like, yeah, yeah, if you were openly
talking about you guys having sex in his office, I
would be scared too, whether I'm doing something inappropriate or not.

(56:41):
And she was like, it just seemed like he finally
was caught and like he was terrified. And so that's
like basically where we're at in the story.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Has she not released the full story?

Speaker 1 (56:55):
No, we are only up. We're like sixteen parts in
a and a lot of the times she had to
turn off comments and she's constantly like, you guys are
being so rude to me. There's so many mental professionals
in my DMS talking about how like a lot of
the things I was doing was inappropriate, and she's like,
I've taken a quite a bit of a responsibility. You

(57:15):
guys don't hear it on this session. I'm just trying
to talk through this because I started this series because
I went on TikTok and searched like what happens when
you fall in love with your psychiatrists, and there wasn't anything,
so I knew I had to tell my story. And
she's like, there's so many people in my DMS saying
this happened to me too, and which I believe it
like happens.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I believe you falling in love, but like I, it's
like and it's hard work to it's hard not to
fall in love with especially if you're with a mental
health professional for a long time. It's hard not as
I just joked, I was like Stephanie and I are friends.
It was hard not to sometimes think of her as
a friend because we were in a safe space and

(57:54):
we were discussing things. However, I'm not that mentally ill.
I would be like, I know what it does happen.
It is very especially early on in this in the series,
she's like, he was such a good listener. He like
really recognized his neutrality on just listening to me, and
it's like that's his job, job, But again I see

(58:14):
especially like if it's someone you're attracted to, like Unfortunately
for Stephanie, I wasn't into her.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
But if it was like a hot attract looking age,
oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Listen to me and like her like heard me and
was checking in, I could see where it's like, yeah,
oh we fell into this for sure. But this is
so I understand it happens to other people. And she's
also going out there being.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Like this happened to me.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
However, early pop at least lie to make him seem
like a little guilty about.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
His guilt is he didn't transfer her as a patient
and stop working with her. For sure, because of how
she tells the story, it's really hard to see later
on he has more more red flags because I do
think because he wasn't transferring her, it is concerning. When
she says like I have feelings for you, I'm in
love with you, I.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Said, he still doesn't transfer her.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah, yeah, like you're now opening up inappropriate conversations whether
you mean to or not, or have interest or not.
But my biggest thing with her, and she's like it
takes two to have feelings. Maybe it doesn't. Him sitting
there and listening to you, you would catch feelings anyways, Like,
it's it's weird to me that she's like, we did

(59:32):
this together.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Also, girl, have you heard of unrequited love? That's literally
a thing everyone goes. Everyone who's had feelings for someone
who has not felt the same way back and does
not take two to have feelings. Yeah, it literally only
takes That's why you have to ask, do you also
have feelings for me?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yes? Like, I'm concerned for her and she's like everybody say,
I'm having a mental breakdown, and it's like, I I
believe that she understands what happened more so No, but
I worry that she doesn't understand or like I worry
for future mental health professionals. She seems out for her
to not have appropriate boundaries on her own side with them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
See, And that's why I think it's hard for me
to like, I think she's obviously at fault, but it's
hard for me to be like, this is all her
fault because she's me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Mentally, it's almost like she's a twelve year old. Like
you can't blame a twelve year old ye because they're
not fully.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Developed in the validation that she was seeking through the psychiatrist,
like she's getting from TikTok now, like she's getting the
attention that she was creating so bad now through this,
I'm like, I don't think you see the problem. That
will still me like stay on your side of the fence.
He had his own issues for sure, but you also

(01:00:49):
need to address some of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, and someone, if she has any friends or family,
need to like get her committed honestly, because this is
not Again, I don't think it's fully her fault. I
think she's living in a fantasy world. I think she's
living in a delusion. I don't think she's well it
sounds like so I think like we can't fully blame her,
but like this man for not cutting her off, and

(01:01:15):
like the one crumb I caught where he's like, do
you know what this is? That's weird?

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
That was crazy minute she.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
And I don't like like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
He knew even if he wasn't having an inappropriate relationship
with her where he was like in love. He knew
this was bad enough.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
He's talked to her enough, he knows.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
She he knew this was a bad situation even if
he wasn't in love with her. He knew this was
not good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
My therapist caught on to my patterns after meeting with
her twice. Okay, she was like, I cat you doing
this all. He knew what that would do to her.
And also for having boundaries, he also didn't have enough
boundaries to be like, we are not doing in person.
Yeah that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Hey, Alicia, she was his patient for like two and
a half years, so like, that's where it's on him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
This is why I don't trust men men honestly, but
also like like this girly poppy, help, will you keep
me updated on what happened with her?

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Amazing?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Oh my god, she.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Was live earlier, which is how I got into it
because somebody screen recorded it. Ooh. She's like fighting because
like people can't comment on her actual videos, but they
can comment in the live. Like she's like, I'm not crazy, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
You can't if we've learned anything from this country and
this political climate wherein you cannot argue with crazy. Just
stop commenting on her folly, Just leave her to an
empty live.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
That's the thing I don't I don't wanna victim blame
her and like put this shame and blame on her,
but I do fear that she doesn't know how to
read and interpret situations. And that's where I like, socially,
she's not to put that lens of There were things that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
She Yeah, it isn't adult though she needs to, like
it's it's a hard situation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
But yeah, this is crazy. Can she get arrested for this?
Like why aren't Well, she actually accidentally slipped his name once,
and I do really do think it was an accident
because she was really good about the catching herself. People
found him and part of the reason she turned off
comments was because people started putting photos of him in
her comments, and I was like, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
But I do think this person was a little inappropriate
for not cutting off.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
No, no, but it's like traumatizing to her to see
his photo like that's me. But yeah, people were putting
his full name, and so that's why she turned comments off,
Like she was didn't love the mean comments, but she
like referenced them and kept him going until he got docs,
basically because she was like I was trying so hard,
but like that video is already three days old, like
there's no point of taking it down now. Yeah, so

(01:03:54):
she was like, I don't want him to lose his job.
I just have to tell my story. So like people
who have also gone through this support which like I
do love that, I just fear for her not addressing
her own.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Issues that wow, it's crazy. Yeah, it's giving, it's giving.
Who the fuck did I marry?

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
That's what people have been calling it. It's a little
bit more erradic and not as great storytelling, whereas Resa
Tisa like ten minute episodes, fold like came a screenshot,
gave details like detail.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Like over three days, we were done with this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Oh this has been going on for like a week
because she likes we got two or three episodes a day.
I don't like that it's unfinished.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Like just me tell I know, I know your story
is going to be at least twelve hours long, but
just wrap it up, you know, post them all at
the same time. Get your fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
That's not in your car.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
If you're going live, you have time to just release
the next part of the story. To just do that instead.
So I won't give her the views because I'm upset
how she's dragging this out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
But you let me know next episode next week. Yeah,
we're hopefully it's wrapped up by that. Oh my god.
If it's not, I can't be bothered. I can't be bothered.
That was awesome news. I was sad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I'm gonna tell everyone about it because I don't know
if they know anyway. Okay, should we get to reading? Yes, Okay,
I finished that terrible book that I rom com. Okay,
remember we were talking about that rom com that you
also read, where it was like the best the Friend,
and then like the best friends fiance's best friend yep.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
And then I didn't like the pregnancy start up at
the end, okay, from the second second one with the
girl who got married or was about to get married,
the one with the died. Yeah. And then this was
the playlist.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
I gave it three stars. It was called I don't know,
but basically it's so bad the Happily ever After Playlist,
which is crazy that it was called that because the
only reason it would be called that is every chapter
had a different song title.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
They didn't make a playlist or anything. He's a musician,
but these weren't any of his songs.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
It was like a paramore song. I feel like should
have been like during whatever the conflict is is him
making a playlist or them falling in love over like
him making her playlist. That's what I would assume it
would be a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah, no, there was no playlist.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
That's so stupid that pisses me off.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Actually, So basically, this woman is driving her car to
go see her dead fiance says grave on his birthday
or something, and then a dog jumps into her son
roof crazy, right, who would have seen that coming. So
this dog, she's like, it's a lost dog. I gotta
like find the owner. So she calls the owner a
bunch of times and the owner's not getting back, so

(01:06:58):
she's like, all right, find her as keepers because she
ends up really liking the dog. And then the owner
calls back and is like, I didn't actually get my
dog because I'm on tour.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I'm a famous musician.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Well he just said I'm on tour because he didn't
want to tell her who he was. Yeah, right, And
she was like, okay, well i'll keep your dog till
you get back from Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
So he comes back. Who was watching his dog beforehand?

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
His crazy ex Okay, I don't know. She also had
mental issues anyway, So that Basically they meet, they both
immediately are like, wow, attractive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
I have fallen in love.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
So then they're like, oh, we have to co parent
this dog now, so I guess we have to see
each other all the time, so that oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Then they hang out more.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I don't know it gets they do. They fall in
love and out of love like twelve different times. But
basically she finds out who he is, like what his Yeah,
he had never hit All his music videos before were
like clay, which is so weird, so she had never
seen him. But when she sees when she like learns

(01:08:06):
who he is, she's like, oh my god, you're like
very famous. And then she's like I just lost my
fiance like two years ago, and like I for two
years was basically living in a shrine of him. I
can't now, like have you go on tour and me
wait for you to come home and you like have
to do all these things that don't align with my life,
Like I have to live for me, I can't live

(01:08:27):
for you, okay, Like, but we're in love. And her
best friend, who I hate from the first book, was like,
if you're in love, who cares about you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Just date him? And I was like, no, God, she's
finally like getting over her dead fiance and moving a
shit out. It's her me time. You can kind of
like like a boy and have a crush still, but
like we don't get a date and be serious. I
because she also doesn't need to have like an absent
love again, where like he's out and about and she's
just sitting at home, piney for someone who isn't there,

(01:08:59):
whether they're dead or tour.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
I was rooting for this girl because I was like,
she is gonna choose herself.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
She kind of does both or not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
So of course he's like, come on tour with me.
They go through a few different issues, but he's like,
come on tour with me, and she's like okay. So
they go on tour and she's miserable.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Meredith.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
She's like, I hate being on tour. She's a painter,
she can't paint. She's always like out late. She's she's
like basically living his life.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
His life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah, he's thriving, but then he sees how much she's
struggling and he's like, look, I want you to go
back to our life. I don't understand why she can't
just like maybe fly out for a few shows and
then go back to her life. I don't know why
they have to be together, but he finally is like
go and he his parents live in Minnesota, and he's like,
there's like a lot of seclusion out there. Go do

(01:09:49):
your paintings, like out in the beautiful nature. I don't know,
I paid for your ticket. Go live with my family.
But then her fam the family and this girl do
the thing where then they say and do a bunch
of updates of like how great their life is and
how much they miss you, and which.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
You were there but you're not there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
They're like, now he's depressed a mode because he's like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Man, he's like, I want to be with you, but
I have this commitment.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
He already wanted to be with her, but now she's
also like I'm with your mom and with your dad.
And he's like, damn, this sucks. And I know that
feeling because my mom fucking does that to me all
the time, where she's like we just had the best day,
which she could have made it, and I'm like, damn,
don't tell me when I should.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I'm missing out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yeah, don't come at me. So he then starts to
like struggle a little bit. But then we cut to
her and she's like, I'm actually not that happy because
I miss him a lot, and I wish I was
like almost back on tour with him, because I should
have just like loved being with him. And then she
starts thinking like, Okay, I'm gonna get myself in a
healthy mindset and then be able to go on tour

(01:10:54):
with him and be able to keep up my healthy mindset,
Like I'll find ways to be able to work out,
and I'll find ways to be able to paint, and
I'll figure it out, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Like so she's like, I'm gonna get healthy again, and
I'm gonna like come go into the tour again, but
in a better place, and I'll know what's what doesn't
work for me this time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Yeah, So basically she then is like I'm healthy, I'm wealthy.
I'm gonna go. She flies out to go see him.
She had to like one in the morning. This was
after a very hard day for him, so he drank
a few, took a sleeping pill, and fell asleep. So
he's knocked out. He just he needed He drank his bourbon,

(01:11:36):
he took some melotonin, and feelings he's done he's out
for the count, right. She's knocking on his door and
he like won't answer, and she's like what the fuck.
So then his whole tour, they all have conjoining hotel rooms.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I don't know how that works.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Okay, but this girl who he had been photo photographed
with in the past, like an X or whatever, who
was to watch his dog, who's also mentally unstable. She
ends up answering the door in like her pajamas, and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
She's, oh, they're probably in like a suite in a sense,
like he is a room, she is a room. Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
So they're like what or this woman's like what And
then the girl is like, looks like I can't get here,
this is happening whatever. So then she tries to wake
him up, but he's knocked out and she sees the
alcohol and she's like, oh my god, I can't believe
he got drunk and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Cheated on me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
This is jumping to conclusions. And I was like, for
someone who's like twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Six, I guess, but like, come on, grow up. So
she leaves.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
She's like, I can't do this anymore. And keep in
mind his quote unquote X was also like drunk. She
has drug and alcohol issues, so she's like also out
of it. But then the next day he like, I
forget how he finds out she was like around or
she was missing, I don't know, but he's there. He's
basically like he finds out that this ex answered the door,

(01:13:00):
and he's like, how could you fucking do that? Blah
blah blah. So they're like looking for this girl. They
can't find her. Oh my god, what happened to her?

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
But the best part was though he woke up and
he's like, wow, that really knocked me out. That sleeping,
Like no idea anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
It's like, hey, your whole life is a disaster now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
So anyway, then he's like enraged, and then one of
someone on his tour who's friends with his ex was
basically like she didn't fucking do anything, like she answered
the door because you wouldn't answer the door, Like we
were all trying to fucking sleep. This crazy bitch that
we didn't know was your girlfriend is trying to break.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Into our work. They meet her the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
They did, the ex they did. The ex was just
like drunk and high, so she like they just.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Weren't hanging out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, and the other girl like didn't get up, so
she's like, I didn't even know that was your girlfriend.
I thought it was some fucking crazy groupie that you
showed up. So she's like, that didn't happen, and she
was like and also your ex is like fucking going
through it, dude. Her manager stole all her money, like
she's on drug and alcohol problems, Like they starve her
at the label so that she's skinny and hot, like

(01:14:09):
she's a mass you. She flacked herself in the bathroom,
so they break down the door and she has tried
to kill herself, but it didn't work because he saves
her hip hip parade good. But then he realized they are,
like the producers at our label do a lot of
shitty as things. They're gonna do shitty as things to
your girlfriend, which like they had in the past, the

(01:14:30):
little like he thought the ex was fucking with his girlfriend,
but really it was the label trying to break them
up because.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
It's not good for his Yes, like you need an
artist to be single, so then people pine out to them.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Yeah, so he like recognizes that. He's like, oh my god,
I have to break up with her because I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Want her in the safe Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Yeah, So then I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Love a classic I have to break up with you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
I liked that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
This was the part. I was like, oh, I'm into
it now, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
So then he or she comes back and he's like,
what are you doing here? We've been looking for you,
and she's like, I drove all the way to California
and then I drove back because I knew that you
couldn't have cheated on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Where Vegas maybe Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
She's like, I knew you couldn't have cheated on me,
so I came back to have you explain. And he
plays it off like he did cheat on her so
that she will leave, right, And I was like, damn,
that's cold. And then he's photographed taking his ex to rehab.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
I'm just gonna say this, if somebody ever does that
to me, I don't care if you lied to me
for my own good that it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
So then he blocks her on everything and it's basically like,
but he's depressed a mode, right, He's depressed. So she
goes back to her life and she's kind of thriving,
but she like obviously misses him, and she's like struggling
with that, and then he's in town for a show
and his like manager email or gives her two front

(01:15:58):
row tickets, and so she like and like the manager
wrote this whole thing, like he lied, you need to know,
like he didn't cheat on you. Kind of gives her
the background. She's confused and she's like, what do I do?
And her best friend's like, should we go? Should we
go in disguise? So they were disguises, and then of
course he like sees her in the crowd and they like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Even in her disguise, he noticed, can you believe.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
In her disguise?

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
He got her?

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
And so then they end up pregnant and on tour together.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
So that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Yeah, of course every one of these books ends up
so pregnant, Like stop getting pregnant, Why.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Can't you just fall in love that anyway we can
we work on declining the birthright. Also in literature, what
the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Why are we always fucking pregnant?

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
It was, like I said, three stars, but now I'm
reading this book called The Poppy War, so you know,
of those, it's kind.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Of giving divergent where everyone needs you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Take you take a test to decide if you're like,
what level of almost like in like society, lass society
you enter, so it's really like low class war orphan
from a while ago. She is the highest ranking test
taker and so she is now in the military school
that's super prestigious, but everyone there is hella racist, so

(01:17:23):
they're like, you're never gonna fucking make it. But it's
like Divergent where some people have been fighting their whole lives,
or almost more of the Hunger Games. It's more of
the Hunger Games where some people have been training for
this their whole lives and then the money up and yeah,
and just like takes it by storm. But she hasn't
taken it by storm yet. She actually just got kicked
out of class. So okay, the instructor's pretty racist.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
If you really like that, I may have you keep
that one a little bit more of a secret because I, oh, okay,
sounds interesting. I love Divergent.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Yeah it's more Hunger Games. I should have said it's
the different classes, but the military parts are divergent.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Yeah, test taking and yeah, did you read The Good
Girl's Guide to Murder? I started it. But the problem
is with this whole Sheena book thing. I've been dealing with.
I just haven't had time to read a book because
listening to a book has drained my soul. But I
did start the first two chapters and I do find
it interesting. I am excited. I need to get and

(01:18:24):
I actually really need to read it because I have
not been able to put myself to bed at a
normal time, so I need like a wind down thing.
So I really need to just get back to reading.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Like that will You'll really like it and it's not
too scary where you're like stay up at night.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely like lighthearted. And like also
I didn't know she was in high school. Yes, imagining
she was like in college.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
I said, it's gonna be a little ya, but like
it is. I think that's what makes it good because
then high schoolers do dumb things and you get kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
A past and it won't be scary because like she's
in high school.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
So the second and third time to get a little scary.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Like I was sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Going, this is this is criminal minds, Like I was like,
this is crazy. The first one not at all. It's
very like lighthearted and it gets a little weird because
you're like, that's insane, but no, no, no, the second,
specifically the third, I was like, holy shit, I am scared.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Okay for this eighteen years, I promise I will get
this done by the next time we record. I'm not concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Okay, should we get to watching?

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Can we talk about the summer?

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
I turn pretty I'm so happy you want to talk
about this, Alicia.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I'm this Why is everyone team Jeremiah on?

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Okay? So did you did you read the books?

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
I read the first one and I hated it so
much I refused to read the second.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
I read the book.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
You told me what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So like I think
people who read the books are overwhelmingly team Conrad because wow,
all this shitty stuff is happening with Jeremiah, Like you
don't get a visual. I think are visually obsessed with Jeremiah.
And then like like give I pay I know, I
know I don't understand it, okay, but like I think

(01:20:10):
that's what it is. But can I can we please
talk about the brother's trope? It is It's so fucking
weird because I've been thinking about this a lot, more
so with the brother or i'most said the brother I
turn pretty the summer, I turn pretty because in the
books she specifically does not sleep with Jeremiah, and I
think that is a very harsh line. And I can't tell.

(01:20:33):
They don't specifically say she's had sex with Jeremiah, but
they kind of allude to it. I find it so
weird if you sleep with both. I understand if you
have a brush on both, especially growing up, maybe you
like kiss some like lightly, no, like tongue really like
as you're growing up. I can understand how that happens.
But the minute you date one and sleep with one,
allah Conrad, you can't go to the other one. I

(01:20:55):
find her hooking up with Jeremiah and dating him weird.
It's weird. That's weird, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Creator actually put it in perspective for me because in
the Vampire Diaries, if you remember, Elena sleeps with both
Damon and Stephan as well, which was weird. However, in
the Vampire Diaries people were like, somehow that was less
weird because at the end of the day, the first
and most important thing was the brotherhood. Like even when

(01:21:22):
Damon had taken Elena, his priority was to make sure
Stephan was okay. Right, there was always this unspoken love
within the brothers, no matter how many times they killed
each other, taging each other. This was like Conrad okay, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
And I they didn't started differently than like sw I
Turned Pretty because there was also and this isn't a
full pass in my mind of it not being weird,
but there was a supernatural factor with like Alna men,
like having not bond with Damon whenever she turned all
of that stuff like it was just like an easier
easement into them being obsessed with each other because Damon

(01:21:58):
also saw first and they were obsessed with your mind, Catherine,
like ye, more layers where this was a little less weird.
I feel like in the three months time of Conrad
and Belly breaking up at prom to the end of summer,
it's not even end of summer, it's the end of June.
It's like a month and a half later, her and

(01:22:20):
Jeremiah are kissing. That's weird to me. Yeah, Jeremiah to
do to his brother.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
But like I said in the Vampire Diaries, there's always
this like understanding that the brotherhood would stand. Whereas in
the Summer I Turn Pretty, they hate each other, Yeah,
they don't like each other. Which I think is blamed
on both understand. Listen, I'm not I hate everyone in
this show. I want to make that so clear.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
I'm team Bomb explodes and kills everyone. So I team
Conrad leaves and has a happy life alone.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
No kill him too, kill on me because as as
an older sibling, I understand and Conrad being like so
upset that like Belly is dating his brother. That's weird
for sure, But he was the one that broke up
with Belly, and it is weird that your brother does that.
But then it seems like so far Jeremiah has tried
to kind of have.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
A relationship with Conrad.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Yeah, and I understand Conrad putting up these boundaries with Jeremiah. However,
he is putting boundaries up around everything opposed to just
being like we cannot talk about Belly. We I'll help
you out with dad, and I'll help you out with this, right.
And it's also hard because they love their mom completely.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Yeah, that is weird. Or I understand why he has
to do it because he doesn't want to be at
the Summerhouse because like Belly and Jeremiah in front of
him is a lot like he should still call Jeremiah
on the side and be able to return his call. Well,
especially when they're writing like the dedication for their mom's
like garden or whatever it is. Yeah, it's that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
It's Jeremiah literally being like I miss mom and Conrad
being like me too, I gotta hang up, Like you
can just tell that, like, and I understand his boundaries,
but I think Conrad's being like a shitty brother. Do
you think Jeremiah was also kind of a shitty brother
forgetting with Belly after Yes, but I think Conrad broke
up with it. It was just it's a fucking mess,
of course. And then you lose the thing that brought

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them together, which was their mother. So now there's nothing
holding them.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Isn't in this season? So like you don't even have
I no, no, no, but we have no parent, like no
bringing the kids together, Like none of the nobody in
this is really brought together. Docs that's just the structure
of this book too, Like there isn't an adult figure.
That's like they're not all spending the summer at the
summer house but like the first time too. But what

(01:24:43):
I will say that bothers me though in what you
just said about the brotherhood not being together is in
season two. In the flashbacks, we see like Jeremiah the
upset if like Belly and Conrad are like kissing or
at Thanksgiving, Like he was like, you should have told
me if she was gonna be here. Conrad was like,
you knew she was. I don't eat here either, yeah,
and he said like, well, I don't want it like this,

(01:25:04):
like you guys together. But Jeremiah doesn't try to like
hold back on his relationship with Belly in front of
Conrad's eyes, how he wanted it when Conrad was with her. Y.
I wants to do whatever he wants to do, whenever
he wants to do it. He has no care in
the world for Conrad. So I understand Conrad not wanting
to talk to him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Yes, yeah, see, like I understand both sides, and I
think that's what angers me. We're like at the end
of the day, if if my sister is falling in
love with the same guy I also really like and
she gets him, I immediately back out because the first
and most important thing to me is that my sister
is happy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Agreed, But neither of them are putting the brotherhood.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Oh yeah, and it's in the shit out of me,
because like that just means you don't really like your brother,
which that sucks. Whereas even when Damon in The Vampire
Diaries took Elena, Stephan was still he was like, give
me my time, and then he was able to go
back and be like, this is a really important relationship
for me. I'm still gonna be here for you, and

(01:26:03):
they were able to agree that they did shitty things
to each other and they can still be brother like
at the end of the day, it ended with them
going The whole series ended with them saying hi brother,
hey brother or whatever, and like coming together. That was
the real love story of the Vampire Diaries was the brotherhood.
I think the biggest thing mess with the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Brother trope require the connection between siblings and time and
a little bit of distance, because Elena and Damon or
and Stephan were broken up because of like his whole
Ripper stuff, So like I understand like while they were
there were still feelings there, like there was some space
in between. And then what I thought about while thinking

(01:26:44):
about this brother trope was one tree hill, because you
had so many people hooking up with brothers, and now
like you had both Karen and deb hooking up with
both of the Scott like the Bults, and then between
Nathan and Lucas like everybody but Haley based. But there
was distance, distance, and they didn't grow up together, so

(01:27:06):
it's not like the true brotherhood bond. Whenever Peyton got
together with both of them in at least.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
The younger I'd have to think about the older Scott brothers.
That was a really complicated relationship that I would mean
to analyze a lot more. But the younger ones, they
both still even when Lucas started liking Peyton, he's still
made sure to like reach out to Nate like he's
still made sure that that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Was I agree. I think there was time in between
the like true Peyton Lucas stuff. Of course, so much
distance from Nathan, so I think again it's like the
summer I turned pretty that month and a half is
fucking insane. I never thought about the siblinghood of it.
That's a really good point.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
And so I also am going to say this, the
dad obviously sucks. He's the worse for not as a
parent he should look at his two sons and be like,
this is not how Asian ship. The relationship's going to
go like we're squashing this number two I And this
really upset me because my favorite parts of seasons one
and two were the moms. I fucking hate Laurel. I

(01:28:12):
fucking hate her. Let me tell you why. As a
parent she sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
When Belly and Jeremiah say we're engaged and they show
their little pebble.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Wait, what do you mean show? There was nothing to
see this?

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
They show the little pebble. Right, everyone is shocked and
a little irate. Totally understand. Great, yeah, let's go home. However,
the fact that Laurel will not discuss.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
This with her daughter bugs Jah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
And when Jeremiah comes over and is actually kind of
an adult and is like, we want to do this
and like sits down and talks about it, he sounds crazy,
don't get me wrong, But Laurel again avoids it. As
a parent, you can't just avoid it. They are going
to do what they want to do. That's that sucks,
but you can defer it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
If they were sixteen, yeah, have this attitude. But they're
like twenty one, twenty two, Like they are fully such
adult and you gotta have their terrible decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
But I think what you can do. That's the thing
is she's basically like, and I think this is a
shitty thing to do to your daughter to be like,
I'm not going to show up to your wedding. Instead,
she could be like, let's have a real and honest conversation,
because when you get married, that means you're not on
my dime anymore. So if you thought about how you're
gonna pay for your last semester of college? Have you
thought about you and Jeremiah are going to go back

(01:29:31):
to college. Are you going to live together? Are you
going to live separately? How's that going to work? And
where's Jeremiah going to get the money for his frat
dues and his last semester of college? How's that going
to work? And then let's also discuss health insurance. Isn't
going to happen because that isn't an adult How are
you going to pay for the wedding?

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
You know? Have you thought about that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
And then also you could just look at your kid,
because Laurel has yet to ask the one major question,
which is why why do you have to get married
right now? If you want to, honestly, if you want
to be engaged, be engaged for however fucking long you want,
But why do you have to get married right now?

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
What is kind of the purpose of that? And if
they truly digging into that, because they said like, well,
we love each other and we want to be together forever,
and Laurel will you can't be that later. You can
be together without getting married. It's like, okay, but what's
the driving factor why doing this? Because the minute they
all find out that Jeremiah cheated, like, I just truly
think Belly's putting it out of her mind, and it's like,

(01:30:30):
I just want to hold on to Jeremiah, But I
think the minute though they all find out is like
when it'll crumble in Belly's own mind, like let's talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
It's just kind of like ask why. And when they
say like, well, we love each other, we want to
be together forever, and be like, but you can be
together forever and you can get married once you actually
get established, what.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Is it right now? This year? It has to have trigger?

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
And I feel like they're both They both would say
something like, well, Susannah died, life is short. We have
to take advantage. And then Laurrel can and be like, okay,
I'm understanding where you're I understand the mindset you maybe happen,
but like, let's be so clear, there's a lot of
things that come with marriage, such as like finances and
like where you're gonna live, and like you can't come
home once you're married, like you're on your own. So

(01:31:13):
like let's discuss this. Why does it need to happen now?
Like why can't what is the point? You know, like
you thought is do the pros outweighs the cons. Instead,
she's like, I just I'm not gonna talk about it,
but I'm not going to fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
She's like ghosting, which that happens in the book, so
because I know where the storyline's about to go because
of how the book's written. But Laurel Belly never goes home.
Belly goes straight to the summerhouse in the book. So
I think Laurel dragging Belly home made it a weird
dynamic because if they're not living together, it's a little
less weird that Laurel's like not they're not talking about it. Yeah,

(01:31:51):
So I wish like Belly never got dragged home, and
I wish Belly just was always at the summerhouse because
I agree, it is making it really it's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Making me hate Laurel because then it's also like Belly
tries multiple times to sit down with her parents and
be like, let's discuss this. I want you to come
dress shopping with me, and her mom has every right
to be like, I'm not gonna go dress shopping with you,
but her mom is failing to be like, look, I'm
gonna love you no matter what, but I cannot support this.
It feels like like she's throwing a temper tantrum, Like

(01:32:24):
that's well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
It feels like if Jeremiah and Belly actually get married,
there's gonna be three people in like the audience, and
that Laurel's never gonna speak to them again, so they
both lose like their moms within a year. Basically, like
is that what is that what we're doing? I know
that's not what's gonna happen, But Laurel's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Just driving like a huge wedge in between her and
her daughter. And she has a right to feel how
she feels, but she's she's not doing it in a
way that like a mother should is perfective and her
she loves her kids, she really does, so like the
fact that she's doing this is kind of out of character, right,
I agree, And then I also I agree with like Conrad, right,

(01:33:02):
he had a right to look at his brother and
be like this is ridiculous. That's that's fair. But I
do think at the end of the day, like again,
they're adults, what's Conrad gonna do? So he has to
be like on board with the wedding, right, but he
could also be like, why do you guys? No one's
asking why does this need to happen right now? Everyone's

(01:33:22):
just like it's a bad.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Idea, and you know what, they never I don't think
they ever ask it. In the book, they like it
slowly comes out the cheating obviously, But is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
It because Jeremiah cheated? Is it because Stephen got in
a car accident? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Is the reason they because they did the time jump,
they had to apply a little bit more pressure to
the cheating situation, so they added in the car crash
and the whole like you like, you only live once,
like we saw Susannah die Steven almost have to get
married right now. Yeah, but it really is based on

(01:33:57):
Jeremiah cheating. In the book, it's like Jeremiah cheats and
he's like, I promise I won't do it, like nothing
will happen. It's it's a lot weirder. In the book,
I would say, how the cheating kind of happens? Is
she like, so marry me? Well, yeah, he's like an apology. Similarly,
his apology and it coming out leads to him proposing

(01:34:18):
basically immediately and pretty immediately, and so she says yes
because she forgives him under the condition that like they're
getting married. But then it's like weird because they don't
say that to anybody. So it's way weirder to the families.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
That someone needs to just ask, like why now, and
like lay out the rules of marriage right, Like you're
no longer my dependent, so you're off my health endurance.
I'm not gonna pay for your college, Like why can't
you just wait till you're fucking graduated? Is like my
main question that I a No one seems to ask.
Everyone's like, I'm gonna be made on our best man,

(01:34:53):
no worries. Also, if I don't get some tailor and Steven,
I'm gonna kill someone. That was the best part of
season two.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
What are we doing? I am doing? You know what
I hate is the Laurel and what's his name? The dad?
I'm like, I don't why are we revisiting this marriage? Why?
Where did this was not in the book? Which I
understand any means that weren't in the books, but like,
why are we revisiting something when Laurel really does not
like that man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
No, she's mean to him to which is fine, that's
her ex, but like she never like Belly and kind
of talk about this, like her mom and dad did
not have this like an amazing fireworks relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
They're not obsessed with each other where they can get
divorced and come back from it, Like, why are we
trying to pretend like this is a thing. I also think.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Laurel had a really good monologue to the her ex,
where she he was like, you regret marrying me? And
she was like, no, I regret doing anything that young
because I did love that. That's what she should have
fucking said to Belly. Instead she did like, my god,
what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Can I tell you my highlights of the season? Though
I hope it's the same character that I have. What
it's Conrad. I'm obsessed with Conrad's little wardrobe and his little.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Jeans and his.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
Wristwatch lovey lost, watch that back. When I tell people
I want a man who kind of dresses like a
Republican but votes liberal, this is what I did Conrad.
I want doctor dress like this, like wear some sperries
and like is like a little warning and they're like
preppy clothes like they've had on their whole.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
You know, Conrad's a liberal for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
I'm a little nervous about what he is, but he
can I think he would learn and grow. I can
tell you what I believe. The actor, yes, the actor, yeah,
is because that's their beef with Jeremiah. Yeah, yeah, he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
But you know who I love is Conrad's friend, Agnes
of Unrequited love, because we are all her. Everyone wants
to be Belly but no, no, no, I am Agnes,
always in forever crush on the hot guy with the
slutty wristwatch that he's in love with his brother's fiance,
and I all they had that convo.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
I was like, he asked him to see if he's like,
you know, where he's at feelings wise of like other things.
And when she's like, wait a minute, your brother's girlfriend
is who you've been in love with? And he was like,
that was my girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
First. I was like I loved it though, because you know,
that was the moment that she was like, I can't
be in love with this guy. He's too messy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
And they oh.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
I loved when she sat down with him and was like,
I don't know anything about unrequited love and then like
basically told him like I did, but now I'm dating
someone else, so we are. I sucked it up and
now I'm your friend.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
So here what. I like it because they it was
like in a crushed stage where she was just like
I kind of like this guy, so they can be friends.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
It's I was very honest and it was really cute,
and like, I love Agnes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
I love her so much. I just told them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
I want Conrad and Agnes. They don't have to date,
but I would just want to see them do everything together.
She gets my job.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
I know, I'm on the team of Like Conrad skips
off to California, leaves all these people behind, only talks
to Laurel and like lives his life out there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Him and Agnes get a friend group together and they
go camping and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Love.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Yeah, Like, like I said, I don't need them together.
But I think like maybe they could become dog walkers
together or something weird neighbors. Man, they could decorate each
other's houses weirdly, like they could go antiquing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
That's what they could go on double dates. It's like
Agnes and her boyfriend are trying to set Conrad up
with a good girl that's not his brother.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Conrad can date Agnes's boy's sister and then they're like related.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Yeah, the summer's pretty four. We're gonna write it. I'll
get the notes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
I just Conrad camping and going antiquing with Agnes. It's
getting away.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
It's getting brutal to watch. Did you watch this week's episode?
When did it come out Wednesday? No? It's Conrad's voiceover one,
and it was not everything I wanted it to be.
I'm like super disappointed. A they said it was gonna
be ninety minutes. It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Well, I can't watch this guy pine for ninety It hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
It's not in the cute way. It's in like a
this is weird way. Okay, it was kind of creepy. Yeah,
I don't like that. I didn't like how they filmed it.
I heard Yone might have directed this one, and I
don't like Jershon.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Here's the thing, here's your thing. I understand she is
your girlfriend first, but now your brother is banging her.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
You have to bow out my guy. There's no hope.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
I know in the end he probably ends up with Belly,
but to then be like I want his sloppy seconds,
who are not gonna be mine?

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Why are you sandwiching your brother?

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Are we doing the minute your brother starts dating your ex,
that's shitty and that's when you go, she's forever tainted.
It's not for me if she will date my brother's
who is talking about Belly?

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
Stop dating brother? Stop? Okay? Someone number one someone online said,
no matter who she marries, her body count is going
to be at the end of the eye, like her
full body count is at the end of that aisle,
no matter who she marries.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Is it weird to think, like, do they have sex
the same?

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
It's all weird. I have a friend, actually I'm not
gonna say her name, but she made out with two
brothers and she said she said they kiss the same similarly.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Yeah, I guess that means it's like you're it's it's
nature versus nurture a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
There was one brother who she said was a little better,
but she was like shocked at how similar they were.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
See, I would do that for science.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Because she dated one, right, and she died one for
years one and then she made out with another years later,
and she was like, so she remembered the first because
she dated him, and then she was like, holy shit,
they kind of kissed the same. And I was like, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Harder to go that way in my mind, Like I think,
you the minute you've had sex with one of them,
you cannot interact with one another. It's it's it's weird.
It's it's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
It's up there with sisters who bay together and parents
who kiss kids on the lips. It's weird. Stop doing
weird shit with families. There's a line, and if your
sibling has sex with someone, you can never have sex
with that person. I don't make the rules, but that's
the rule.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
I feel like that is a basic rule to me.
It's like incest at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
You know how you would kiss someone in college and
then they would kiss like one of your friends and
you'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Like, I never did that because I basically you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Needed that Okay, I have drunkenly done it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
I understand how what happens, but I'm just saying I
found it weird when people found joy in that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Oh no, but you would jokingly be like, we've basically kissed,
you know. I'm like, haha, imagine that being your sister
and you're.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Just like, we basically had set.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
It's incest. It's incest at the end of the day,
that's what this is. We're watching a show about incest.
You're so right, and we're all obsessed with it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
I'm slowly becoming not obsessed. I need it to be over,
but I know we have like another month and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Can I just say though the songs they play are
either so terribly mainstream that you're like, why is Sabrina
Carpenter playing well? Belly is showering? Or it's so good
You're sitting there and it's like a two thousands hit
that just comes out of nowhere and you're like, yo,
this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
What was the song from One No Hill?

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Yeh what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
You know when I'm talking National Championship and people were like,
these teens don't even understee that the Layton history of this.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
No, no, no, no, no, because when I when I tell
you I heard that song and went I didn't see
it on social media. First, it's called Heartbeat. And for
those of you who are too young to know, In
One Tree Hill, there's a love triangle between Lucas, Brook
and Peyton, and Brook and Peyton are best no siblings, no,
no siblings. The the brother is somewhere else, but Brook

(01:43:13):
and Peyton are best friends and they Lucas has dated both.
But in this scene it's a famous love triangle. Brooke
goes up to Lucas and is basically like, I know
who you want to be with, go be with her,
and basically gives her blessing of like her ex to
date her best friend. And then this song is playing
when they walk up to each other and he's she
goes nice hands and he goes nice legs, and then

(01:43:35):
and then but they wasted this song. I'm not a
cute moment. Instead, they're just in the car, and.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
I was like, no, no, no, I was like, triangle.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
If Conrad was in the back of that car, then
that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
But well, I was like, it needs to be a moment,
not yeah, just them driving. But this is so much
significance in rom com shows and you just throw it
in a pass.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Have seen Listen, nothing will ever beat the music of
One Tree Hill. Whoever scored that show is a genius.
I'll still hear songs and be like, this song was
in One Tree Hill. It is all good.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
I know that good. That was the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Music moment that I my jaw hit the floor and
I went, I know the song.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
I yeah, but it just took me to One Tree
Hill like I won't it did. I won't fully remember
their scene. I will only see confetti, you know, going
down on the valley went.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
I immediately went nice hands, nice legs like I.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
Was, and it's you. You're the one I'm next to me.
Oh my god, at the end of the day, you're
the one I want next to me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
Yeah, it was so cute. And then Haley gets hit
by a car, and then Lucas has a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
It's spoilers.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
They don't make teen dramas like they used to.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
Man, well, they also built it up over seasons, like
his heart condition, you know, like you don't have time.
We have like ten episode seasons and we're just rushing
through things like this is going by way too fast.
We're not building the story up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Even Stevens car crash wasn't like that dramatic.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
That's why I don't bear out. Don't you mean that's
landing for the pressure of them getting married, because like, yeah,
it was fifteen minutes of a hour long show, Mom.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Maybe yeah he was he was barely dead that guy. Okay,
we need his heart to flat line. That's that's the drama.
Then I'd be like, I get my belly and Jeremiah
want to get married. People are out here dying.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
They're also really bad at telling us days times like
I don't. It's it's hard for me to understand how
long things have been because we're not building things up.
So like the next morning, I was like, how long
has it been? Like where are where's Laurel and the dad? Like,
of course they're banging in a hotel, but like, how
many hours has it been where they're out of contact?
Are we worried about them? Now? How many hours did

(01:45:56):
they bang for? Like it just seems like a long
How many rounds did they go? Well, they're it's not
over time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
How are they sleeping that soundly? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
How many rounds did we do? I do have one
more question?

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
What is up with Stephen's coworker that he's always flirting.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
With that was not a part of the book.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Is happening?

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
More happened episode? Okay, that also wasn't in the book.
She's a terrible mom too, She's a long or something.
I'm liking their dynamic. I think what's hardest. We're just
weaving in and out of random ass stories that I'm
not loving it because in this week's episode, because it's
narrated by Conrad, not many other people are like in it.
It's really like Belly and Conrad at the Summerhouse. There

(01:46:38):
is a little bit of other people, but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
It's just like for two seasons, Taylor doesn't have a mom,
and nowan Taylor doesn't have a mom and she's losing
her business.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
I like seeing Taylor and like in those moments. I do,
but it is it is weird to just drop this in.
I felt the same about the cousin last year. It's
like we never heard about the and the cousin and
then these two are just dropped in out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Yes, and many more sense because they were here to
steal this summer great, which wasn't reportant.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
Whereas Taylor's mom has nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Her business means nothing to me.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Yes, the coworker, I get because it's pinging a love
triangle for Steven's like heart, like he's going to clearly
like move on with the coworker. But we don't need it.
You like, they can just be broken up and not
be together and there can be like natural conflict without
another person involved.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Well I think also he can have a banter with
this coworker and it not be flirty, kind of flirty.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
I was like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Love And then yeah, as far as Taylor's mom's business,
I don't know why we're watching her lose the business
and we should have just had her immediately, like it's lost,
and then Taylor picks up the pieces. I don't care
about it. Maybe Taylor's trying to fix it. Yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
She's needing a conflict because it's why she stayed in
didn't go to New York, and we obviously need her
to not be in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
But I outlawed, screamed, I went first, we have the
girl who doesn't go to Paris and a girl that
doesn't go to New York, and I it angers me
because no one in any girl who grew up in
the two thousands will always go to Paris. It doesn't matter,
it does not matter. I will always go to Paris.
I could be broke after, I could be dead after,
but I will go to Paris because that is what

(01:48:25):
I learned from the Hills. Because I don't want to
be known as the girl who didn't go to Paris.
That's what I will be known as.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
My thing is because like she broke up with Jay,
I think Saint Jason, you know, after spending that summer.
I mean, it was all fake, but it doesn't really
matter because they Braik broke up anyway Paris. That was
real Paris. No, No, it did, It wasn't It was right.
But what I feel like I learned from that situation
growing up watching that is like, if your relationship can't

(01:48:52):
survive you going to Paris for a little bit, he's
not meant.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
For you, not the one for you. Always go to Paris.
Because then what did we see the next season Lauren
went to.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
Paris yup, and she got right on that guy's moped
and at the time of her life, yeah, she was
with that guy. He was smoking a.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Ton of SIGs and we loved every second of it.
But I can't believe Belly's not gonna go to parent
I'm so upset. I bet she ends up going or
whenever she probably chooses herself. I don't fucking care, but
Taylor go to New York. I'm so upset at her
mom for making her, not making her, but like putting
her in a situation where she feels like she cannot.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
File for bankruptcy and get a fucking a new job
and like move on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Also, why did she call a child to be like,
can you look at the numbers?

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
Steven?

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
I know it was to get him to call Taylor,
but then it turned into something it did not need
to be.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
It turned weird. It's weird that because they didn't date
for that. I guess they did because there was a
time job. It seems like they broke up right before
she went to college. Maybe they didn't. Why is the
mom so close with Steven?

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
Why is the mom calling shy Is? Anyway, I'm not
really watching much else, I mean the occasional show, but
this was really this really had to hit a lot
of people.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Both are are decently involved.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Yeah, are you listening to anything? Just yeah, yeah, you're
at a commission.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
If anybody doesn't follow us on on socials, this is
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Jesus, I am listening to a podcast. I would just
like to plug. It's it's from Sue Bird, who's a
famous basketball player. But she is interviewing a bunch of
people in the league, and it's really interesting to hear
like a lot of their backgrounds and she kind of
I mean, she's a professional. It's like the Origin stories, right,

(01:50:41):
she goes through the whole origin story, which has been
a lot of fun to listen to. I've only listened
to five episodes so far.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
Who's been your favorite?

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Oh, I mean I really like Sabrina I and Escu
and I think here's my here's the thing I really
love because these basketball players, aren't you know, their job
is to play a sport.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
It's not to talk for a living.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
So some of them you can just tell her like
not as excited to be there, and I'm like, it's unpainful.
Like I listened to one her name is Jackie Young,
and you would just tell Jackie did not want to
fucking be there. But she was like saying she's naturally
like quiet. Yeah, Like Sue would ask a question like
tell me about this time in your career and Jackie
would just be like yeah, it was like crazy and

(01:51:24):
be like you. But I mean Sabriena I and ESK
who is really good. She plays on the Liberty And
then Sue has played with some people, like she played
with this lady named Juel Lloyd. So they had like
a really fun banter. It's always fun when like Sue
knows them so they can yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
But also my girl Kate Martin, she was a really
good interview.

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
Oh that is such a good one. How long has
this been podcast been going? Is it like many there's
a lot of episodes out or it's only been going
on since May sixteenth.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
But she has another podcast she does with her for
her wife Megan yep. Yeah yeah, and they also interview
professional athletes, mostly women, so she does that as well.
But this is really like an in depth one on
one conversation through your life. But it's really good even
if you're kind of like even if you just like

(01:52:18):
know one basketball player, you're like, I'll just listen to
their thing.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
Sue asked really good questions she's really meant to be
in the public eye and media getting a statue soon, so.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
I know she's gonna get a statue.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
She also at the game last night at her Seattle.
She went to the Seattle game because that's where she
played for her whole career. She did the coldplay thing
where she Meghan was in the in the at her
chair and they were like, here's Meghan, and then they're like,
and here's Sue. Oh, Sue's missing from her seat, and
then Sue was caught with the mascot and then they

(01:52:50):
both like die. But then it was extra funny because
it cut back to Meghan and Meghan put on this
whole like.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Because Megan's so funny too, and she is like crying,
and then it cuts back to Sue, who's cracking up.
It was a lot of fun. But I love the
coldplay trend too.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
I'm sad. That's I'm sad to thank you for bringing you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Back, Sue.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
That was awesome anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
I think that's it. Oh, and now I'm listening to
One Tree Hill playlist love.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
It really sparks something for you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
I miss that show. I was thinking, like I miss
I need a show like that again. Me too, Like
I want to I want to call you and go
with that. They're playing a drop in the ocean while
they're on the phone together.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
That's what I want. I get anyway, But yeah, I
think that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Great episode, do all the things I mentioned at the
beginning of the podcast, and with that, I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
Thanks for joining. Bye.

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