Summer House Season 9: Reunion 2

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi everyone.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, I'm Alicia and I'm Meredith.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
And this is also podcast Summer House Season nine Reunion two.
We've done it. We've made it to the end kind
of they're going to do under the sheets.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I think, Okay, they're renaming it is no, it's.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Unseen, but well, what was it for vander Pump.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
It was secrets revealed?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Secrets revealed. Yeah, I don't know, it's all stupid. They're
basically just going to show us a bunch of bits
that probably were better than the show that they actually
showed us.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well, it looks like they're going to give us the
stuff that they put in the yeah and then never
gave us and people we bitched about it enough that
they're like, okay, fine, here you go.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
But like ninety percent of the things we watched, like
on the show show was boring. They could have just
put this in there. It is so stupid. Anyway, Bravo,
Bravo's falling off, and I don't know why, but I'm
pissed about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Like Bravo is definitely and like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I think they got too big for their bridges. They're
making too many shows. I don't know what it is,
but I'm fucking over it. I'm over it.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I agree, and I think they should hire us or
some other fans to give feedback and tell them what's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Completely agree, Thank you so much. So new job opportunity
is what we're looking for, Bravo, Thank you so much.
Will help you stay afloat because right now you're good.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
You're going down like the Titans submersible, and.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
We'll go down with you. But the thing is we
won't stay down. You will.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
And that's the thing is, like, well, we can jump
ship like there's always reality TV out there.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm not loyal to anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I can yap about anything.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I can talk literally to a brick wall about literally anything.
So if this podcast isn't proven enough, Bravo, we don't
need you.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
You need us viewers.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Truly, truly, so just give us good content. But before
we get into this reunion whatever it fucking was for
the final time, we have an Instagram, we have a TikTok,
we have a YouTube, We have a Patreon. All the
links are in our descriptions. Please check that out. Also,
please be sure to rate, review, subscribe, Meredith, I do
believe we have a new review. Really, to end it,

(02:24):
and this sounds like another one, but I checked to
see the last time we read reviews, so I'm pretty
sure this one we didn't read. Okay, but it is
titled I Love This Pod five stars from Court nine
to one zero zero eight. I don't remember that name,
so I don't think I've ever read this before, but
shout out Court, and Court writes these girls are hilarious,

(02:44):
lighthearted and have fun takes and watch all the same
shows I watch. I'm literally friends with them and I
won't tell or I won't let them tell me otherwise.
I found them through their Summer House recap, but have
stayed for also nice. Yes, this all house.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
This is the online community we all desperately need. Like
Alicia and I just had each other in person because
we worked together, Like that is the only reason we
couldn't keep it.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Honestly though, during COVID we really like this kind of
gave us something to do. Yeah, but like created the
low community.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Even outside of COVID, I feel like people don't talk
about Bravo enough if they don't know that other people watch,
you know, It's kind of like that like undiscussed thing
unless you have that person that you just unleash it
all on AKA.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I agree, and people don't go through everything, and I
forget a lot. So the fact that we take lots
to talk about literally everything is like very helpful, but
then it's embarrassing when someone gets something wrong and I
hear it, I'm like, actually, no, because I've seen the
show four times and I've had to take detailed notes
and I've discussed it for an hour with my friend,
and then that's when it gets embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I don't think you realize I'm doing a PhD on
this show.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm actually an expert. So you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
If they were like having a court case about Summer House,
about vander Pumper roles, we would be the expert witnesses. Easy.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I wouldn't even have to look over my notes. I
could quote right on my brain. And so Meredith and
I have nothing else to do but watch Bravo, but
we can switch to different reality shows. Just let us know. Anyway, Great,
let's hop right into the reunion. So last reunion, we

(04:24):
saw West bring his talking points him and Sierra kind
of tried to clear the air. We also discussed toegate.
Emerald came later, which we love. Jesse and Lexi talked
about their relationship, and then Lexi was getting called out
by Sierra for bringing her up on the media tour
that Lexi's doing. So that's right where we pick up.

(04:45):
Lexi is kind of like, I understand where you're coming from,
Sierra on like the media stuff. I just think Jesse ostricher. Yeah,
he orchestrated all this stuff. And Siah's like, that's great,
just don't bring me into it. It's about like this
birthday party.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, I mean, Lexi keeps saying like, oh, I didn't
mean too I like meant to give him the full heat.
And I understand that her intention probably wasn't to attack
or throw Sierra under the bus, but that's what she
was doing. She was not making it clear that like
Sierra had nothing to do with this. And also, your
birthday was a month after all of this went down,

(05:21):
Like why did you expect these people to come?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yes, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate. I first of
all think Lexi handled it really well. And second of all, yeah, yeahah, yeah, yeah,
I think she handled I always say, if you're gonna
if you're gonna say something like Stantanto's behind it, known
up to it, and she totally did. But I think
the other thing is right, like, Okay, this guy just whatever,

(05:46):
breaks up with you, you have a terrible summer, like
you think these girls don't like you. Like her perception
was very skewed to like what Jesse kind of gave her.
So then when it's like, oh, it's my birthday, no
one comes because no one in the house likes me.
That's because of Jesse. But then he goes out with
this girl, Sierra, who all summer he was flirting with,
and I had to hear about that. It looks shitty,

(06:08):
and I can see why. I can see her being
angry at both and I understand that, but I respect
her taking a step back and being like, okay, hindsight
swaying twenty. I was trying to give it to Jesse. Yeah,
So like, I understand where she was going with it,
and I'm not mad that she also said, well, Sierra
was out with Jesse on my birthday because it looks shitty.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
It does. Agreed, that's so true. Like her feelings hurt,
that's what she's talking on. But I will say after
the reunion filmed, she still was talking about Sierra in
the press and like talking about it the same way.
It's like crazy, you gotta stop. Just just you guys
aren't friends, Like just let it be.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I honestly don't care about either of them that much
to care about this. I also think, like I don't
think i'd get that mad if someone's like dogging me
in the press, doesn't matter, Like I don't know why
I see it. I'd be just be like, hey, keep
my name out of your mouth.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Because it ends up being a dog whistle for a
lot of Sierra hate that isn't oriented.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Are people hating Sierra?

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah? Yeah, people are like she's not a girl's girl,
like and like I saw there's a creator named Chris.
I don't know what her whole handle is, but she's amazing,
Like she has done some really great breakdowns of different
topics within reality TV, and she really walked through how
Lexi's media tour ends up falling into like the discussions

(07:36):
end up falling into Sierra as like the Jezebel trope
and what that means, and like I knew what a
Jezebel was, but I didn't fully personally like understand it
within like the black culture and like how or not
really black culture, but like how white people use that
trope against black women, and it was it was really
eye opening to kind of like have that laid out

(07:57):
and use like this as an example of how can
be used against women of color. And so I think
it just gives more to Sierra. Yeah, that is just
like so unnecessary and it keeps stirring the pod and
like keeping the hate going towards Sierra. That is just
so unnecessary and just should it be given at all.
So I think it's just like Lexi being unaware of

(08:17):
like what her comments are doing, and so then like
Sierra saying like all right, just like stop commenting about me,
and her continuing to comment on it in the press
after it's filmed is frustrating.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
After the reunion's kind of crazy because she literally tried
to make up with you, Sarah.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, I don't think Lexi knows how to make relationships
with people. I think she struggles with it if like
somebody else isn't doing a lot of the leg work,
because like we heard her at the start of the
season say she struggled even in like high school and
she was like bullied.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
She's fully pretty pretty. That like, I just don't know
if she knows how no one else had.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
But to take on that work on her side of
the fence of like to go out of her way
to like make the friends either, that's also fair.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I just don't. I never I didn't could connect with Lexi.
I just didn't. I pitied her almost. Maybe that's why
I'm talking. Yeah, I almost like pity her. So I
just want to be like everyone just forget about her
and like who cares at this point, because like I
feel bad for her.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I feel bad for in the context of the summer,
but like everything outside of it.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I haven't been following it because I just don't. I
feel I don't care about her. I like pity her.
So like I just didn't even keep up. Okay, So
where are Alexi and Jesse at Lexi's mad at him.
She thinks there was a lot of playing people against
each other. Jesse made it seem like the girls didn't
like Lexi, and that in turn led Lexi to cling

(09:48):
to him more. Jesse apparently said that Sierra Amanda in Paige,
we're trying to break them up, which this didn't really
get cleared up by Jesse. He just kept going lies
and I kept being like, I don't know, man, it
sounds like something you do you don't have like a
credible So it's like when Craig's like, I'm telling the
truth and there was not really a lot of evidence
to put you right or wrong, you know, like I

(10:10):
can't back you up.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah don't your word isn't enough for.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Me, So like, may I don't doubt he did say
that in the little bit and page does say Jesse,
you know, came in. This was his second season, it
was Lexi's first. He was just trying to big dog
Lexi and I was like, damn.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I do think there is some conversation that happened, and
it's just like what actually was said and how was
it taken by Lexi? Because I do think and I
would imagine anybody dating anybody in the house, no matter
what number of seasons, but with one person having once
like this being their first, what they would have a
discussion behind the scenes on how production goes, what it's like,

(10:48):
what is the structure of the house. I know a
lot of times when girls bring other girls and they
try to let people make their own opinion of each person,
but still you would probably give a layout of like
who's friends, who's close, who's whatever, And so I think
Jesse was saying like, oh, Lexi or Page, Sierra and
Amanda are really close and clickie as in like they

(11:10):
just hang out a lot, like they lay in bed
together a lot, like all this stuff. And whether he
actually said, you know, like they're not going to be
your friends, I don't know, but I know for sure
that there had to be a discussion about the house.
Like I just think anything you would give someone a
heads up.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I kind of thought when the whole like flirting with
Sierra thing came to light, I was like, that would
have been a really good time for Jesse then to
be like these aren't your friends. If they're like supporting
me flirting with Sierra and they're not telling you they're
not your real friends. I bet it was more like
that of like they're not your real friends, you can't

(11:49):
trust them, because she also said at dinner that it
was like he said that she can't trust these girls.
Oh yeah, flipped it a little.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I think I agree, because if you think about it,
we had kick and that's where she found out about toegate,
and then it was brought up that Jesse was flirting
with them, and so she got all this information and
he was probably like, they're not your friends. They're trying
to make you think that things are happening and they're not.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, yeah, I could see that happening, especially because the
one thing we do have camera footage of is when
he got mad at her for flirting with Wes, which
now he's saying he never did, and I'm like, we
lit it was so true of us, so like, not
only does do I not know enough about your word,
but like in one situation, your word is trash.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
So like I just always believe a version of the
conversation will always have happened, Like people are not sitting
here just completely fabricating things on these reality TV shows,
Like there's enough footage whether it gets shown or not,
that you're just not completely like creating this narrative. And
if she was, if LEXI was completely making these conversations up,

(12:57):
that's what he would be saying. He'd be like, we
never had that discussion at all, not like that's not
what I said. So you're right, we don't believe Jesse
and what he says.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Even Wes was like, dude, you did get mad, Like
even his friend is like.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Bros every time is just like.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Oh no, West needs to get rid of him, because
West's street cred could go up. But I think it
can be brought. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I just don't think he'll abandon him.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
That's his problem. I don't think West the street cred
will go up then, because he'll stand by. It's like
when two shitty men always support each other. You could
be better on your own and more well liked if
you cared about perception, but you don't care about perception
that much where you're not going to leave your shitty
ass guy friend. Well.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
And what what makes it worse is like Jesse loves
the hate he's getting, so like Jesse's not embarrassed by it.
So like Wes is like, all right, whatever, if you
don't care, I guess I.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Don't bang my head against a wall anyway. For the
amount of white men that have angered me today anyway,
the limit does not exist, my god. So Lexie was
also sharing how she felt really alone because Emerald was busy. Also,
he's a guy. It's like a very different dynamic.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
We talked about that a lot, like having a buddy
means something.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, Jesse just thinks it was miscommunications, but he can
see Alexi was coming from it was never his intention.
Page clears up like, no one disliked Lexi. We just
everyone just thought Lexi was super into Jesse and like
didn't want to get to know them.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Which I think was important to say because I think
Alexi still thinks these girls hate her.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I agree. I like that Page said that we're like
none of us hated you. You just weren't. You weren't
available for us to get to know the part I
will say I didn't love. I think it was nice.
Amanda then said like I wish you had texted me
and I could have helped you. I was like, but
why wouldn't you text her? She's not only younger than you, she's.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Also you were the one who brought Away in too,
Like you're the one you read.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, like what, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I feel like if I was Amanda and maybe this
is just me, if I knew I was bringing someone
in and they were her first year and I had
been here for nine fucking seasons, I probably would have
reached out, like maybe during the weekend, said like, do
you want to grab drinks? We can like.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Talk like even like off camera, Yeah, off camera, we
can get it filmed if you want.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'll just be like, how is your summer going? How
do you feel like it's going? And then Lexi could
have very easily said like I just feel very isolated
from the girls and I and like how about this
weekend you just spend a lot of time with Jesse.
Let's just like I don't know, it'd be weird for
Lexi be like, hey, I don't think you like me,
but do you want to grab drinks?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
And I like that. Lexi said that during the reunion.
She was like I didn't feel comfortable doing that. If
you think everybody is against you, you're not going to
reach out and like share how you're feeling. I've reached
out to people I didn't even think were against me
and they didn't.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, I feel what And then Amanda like took offence
to this. Her face was like you didn't feel comfortable
and I was like, I wouldn't eat this girl is
like twenty five. She wanted to reach out to this
thirty three year old. I know, like.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Connection and link of being brought in is very loose
because it's usually like you met someone or like you
may know them socially and they just were found by
production and so you're just the person. But I need
these people and anybody on reality reality TV. If you
were the person like who's kind of bringing them in,
you kind of have a responsibility, Like you need to
be like a big sister to them.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
If you're putting your name on it, you you get
all the responsibility of it. Sorry, it's not.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Like it's a huge responsibility, like text them once or
twice throughout the season that's filming. Are you good?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
You could film it, you could not film it could
be yeah, just to check in, Hey, how you doing?
You You're good? I know this is a crazy whirlwind.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, And like if you have beef with that person,
because sometimes I feel like when you bring someone in
sometimes you tend to fight with that person and the housewives. Okay, fine,
you're not responsible for that person anymore if you have
like an actual storyline of beef. But if it's just
a text like hey, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
If you're gonna sit here and say no one hated you,
then how come? I feel like Kyle did that to them,
like just kind of left him to dry. But he
was like, I'm bringing my friend. This was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's so true.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Have some ownership.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
He did really do that, Like especially when the like
sex shaming went down with Emerald, like Kyle did nothing.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
No, have some ownership, act like these are your little
siblings and have some love protection.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Seriously, it's like a group project that they're just slapping
their name on. They're like, yeah, they're my friend whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I know you don't know them that well, but like
a little check in here and there say be like
I don't know Emerald that well, Sorry that he's having
sex every night. I understand that's annoying. I'll talk to him, right.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
That's the thing. It goes for the rest of the
house too, Like you're the bridge back from the rest
of the house. So if like Page is pissed about
Emerald like having sex every weekend, it's like, go talk
to Kyle, because that's the link, Like, yeah, have Kyle
talk to him.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
We would be so we would be so nice on
summer house. We would really just make everyone feel fucking
welcome if we brought them in, we'd be so nice
about it.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I have lived in a house with strangers and like
now's a group text where like I get it like
you kind of open it and invite invite a lot
of people. You talk about things in a large group,
But I can't imagine if like one person was like
kind of feeling left out or feeling targeted that you, yeah,
you wouldn't try to do anything like it was very
obvious and with all friends, like it's a crazy scenario.

(18:32):
It was so obvious she was isolated. And then the
minute that the Jesse stuff got rocky, the girls did
talk to her, and I was proud of them. But
like that is when you text Lexi Amanda, like that's
the Monday when you guys go home, you're like, hey,
you good.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
After that week, I guess Lexie should have reached out.
It was weird. I didn't love it. I didn't love it.
No anyway, So Jesse says he really tried, He made mistakes,
He has regrets, he had genuine feelings for Lexi. Lindsey
then reads them both to filth honestly, and she's like, look,
the both that you liked each other, but it went
wrong because y'all were concerned about perception. Lexi thought Jesse

(19:10):
was making her look like a fool. Jesse thought Lexi
was making him look like an asshole, Like y'all could
have really liked each other, but the perception got out
of hand. That was a spot on everyone's like, that's
her mom, that's her mom.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
When Page's sitting there saying that, I was like, wait,
that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Told the world what he wants. These two were friends, true,
But then Kyle the amount of white men I hate
today was like, actually, I said that too.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
And everyone was Boo, I'm glad they shamed him. Bring
back shaming white men.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Absolute shame. Do you watch big mouth at all? No,
Whenever my friend and I want to shame someone, we
say shame Wizard, because there's a character that shames all
the kids on there called the shame Wizard.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I mean Kyle trying to take ownership of it. Just
he's trying to take ownership of what she's saying and
repackage it as his own. I don't care if you
said it first. She just had a brilliant thought. Stop
trying to take credit for what she just said. Leave
her alone.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
If you can't take credit for Emerald, you can't take
credit for anything. How about that?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
How about that? So Jesse He's he just said he
tried to create a friendship with Lexi, but there's there's
no opportunity to do so.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
No, and you didn't you wanted to bang her. You
guys had you had a situationship. Also, let's back this out.
It was a fucking situationship. You guys aren't friends. You
never tried to be friends. You don't need to be friends.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
I love Lexi saying she's good on the friendship mean
too good anyway, Then we take a break, Emerald leaves. Goodbye, Emerald.
I love you so much. Thank you for a fantastic season.
You deserved better.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I heard he's probably gonna be out. I follow you on.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
My personal account because I know that's I never sho
I didn't even follow like honestly, Lindsay Amanda, I did
all of them.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Right, I have page, but that's it.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
But Emerald, I love you so much. I'll give you
some support. I follow a lot of people on instid
I probably don't care about, so you'll be one of them,
but you deserve my.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Follow one of them.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
You will never unfollow you on our podcast now.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
No no, I mean, if you do some terrible things,
you will get an unfollowed. But at this present faith.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
I have faith. I agree disappoint us.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I'm just saying we do have standards and being on
the wrong side of politics will do it.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
We know that every time I try and assume something,
I'm wrong on this podcast, so I'll try and.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Not every time we vouch for a man, they do.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Typically Fay do me dirty, they text me terrible things. No,
it's time, okay. So then in the break, Lexi apologizes
to Sierra again, which I really liked me too. She
she apologizes a bunch of different times, honestly, and Sierra
seems to get it and they seem cool. Obviously things
change in the media. I don't care until pops up
on my TV next season. I don't really give a shit.

(22:03):
But Jesse goes to the back and he's like, I
never did anything wrong, and I was.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Like, oh my god, this man.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
So then reunion starts again. Let's talk about pregnant Lindsay
and Jesse's stank face he made when he found out
Lindsay was pregnant. He just says he like, couldn't believe it,
you know, because like the first time he met Lindsay
she was engaged to Carl, and now the second time
he's hanging out with her.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Listen, it was a lot. I don't bolt him for
his initial face, but it's like get it together at
something Like his face was like that for a while.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, Carl says he was happy for Lindsay, also surprised,
but happy for her. Ultimately, then we have to talk
about how Gabby was talking to Lindsay on the show
and said that Carl contributes nothing to the house, which
I want to be like, girl, I forgot you existed
in this reunion. Yeah, pot kettle, pot kettle.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm like, you're not the one. And I do think
it's sad when people go after looks like that's just unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
But I didn't do it was his teeth.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
It was okay.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I didn't know Carl had so many issues.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
With his I didn't either. I didn't either, and not
it feels so bad because that last summer it was
a His teeth were a huge discussion there.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Listen, I I didn't know for the record that being said,
I stand Tento's behind what I said. Their bright teeth,
we saw the difference. They were bright ass teeth in
his face.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
And he also knew that they were bad and got
them fixed. And you know what, his teeth right now,
they look great.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
They look great. I didn't even notice on this season
last literally like a blinding light.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
No, last season had his bad teeth.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, last season it was the yellow this like.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
This past season. Last summer, yeah his problem. No, no,
last summer he had his problem. Teeth is good. No, no, no,
I see what you're saying. Season nine problem teeth in
the Maggot Reunion, good teeth.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
They were the veneers, right.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Well he got new ones.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yes, that's what I was saying. Yeah, yes, the season
they were bad teeth. And he knew him and we
knew him, and that's not I'm glad. Here's the thing.
If you're gonna get elective things done to you, if
it doesn't look good, I'm gonna say something. I'm gone.
But you all says his issue.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
They weren't as elective as just like like it wasn't
just vanity.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, which is ironic because he used to be in
dental sales, I think, and that was very fun.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
He did say. He was very passionate about it. The
one season he was actually employed.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
He did. Yep, Well that didn't last long unfortunately. But yes, yes,
he's looking better, But Gabby Dish does say she's like, listen,
when I talk about my friend's excess to my friends,
we just talked shit.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
And I was absolutely absolute love. And I like how
she owned up to it. She had apologized him during
the season. I love when people do that. Whenever you
get caught it's like, hey, yeah, this was shitty of
me reaching out. I hate when people wait till the reunion.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
My opinion, both Gabby and Carl could never appear on
my screen, and I'd be okay because I think they
both bring nothing.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I don't think I would notice.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Carl brings ugly green shoes and I don't even know
what Gabby brings.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Carl brings a little bit more than Gabby, I will say, though,
because of his long seating storyline with everybody else and
his ex.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I guess I don't need either though, to be honest, no, no, no,
I would prefer neither. So then we talk about Carl
and Lindsay's friendship, the friendship that doesn't really exist, that
was also very hard. On the anniversary of his brother's death,
Carl says he really missed the friendship because you know,
in any situation, losing a friend sucks.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
M H.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Lindsay unfortunately is not there yet to miss the friendship.
But it was very nice of her to acknowledge his
the anniversary. I hate that we call it an anniversary,
but like that's what we're calling it, acknowledge the anniversary
of his brother's death. And Lindsay says that no matter what,
that situation is the hardest thing Carl has ever gone

(26:14):
through and it is worth acknowledging regardless of their history
or past. I love that man a mature woman. She's
really grown, and I love it, and I love that
they both still have like a mutual kind of love
and respect for each other.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And when Andy was talking about their past and Carl
was too, like Lindsay like had a little bit light
in her eyes and stuff, and like I think she
can look back and like put that as like a
book and say, like that was a wonderful time while
it was happening. The friendship part of it, like yes,
look back and have fond memories about the life that
they had. Obviously them dating and getting engaged is a

(26:52):
whole different book, but like they did have so many
years together and a lot of it is captured on
this screen and is tied to this show that like,
I feel like I would be bitter, and it would
be it would take me a few years to be
able to like think fondly of the friendship. But I
think she's able to separate it out, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
I agree, And it's really nice. And I always said
it's it's got to be really hard because they weren't
just like summer house friends, Like they were really good friends.
They were long what do they call, you know, the
trace of egos. She called them carlito like it was
very like personal and.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
They lived Okay, I was gonna say, I think they've
lived in the same building. They they got like we're
dating like they were they were so close.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah. So, but it's very nice that they can kind of,
at least at this reunion, like communicate a little bit,
which I enjoyed. So when we talk about Turner and Lindsay,
Turner's a great father and Lindsay and Turner don't live
together because their romantic relationship is on pause for now, shook,
everyone is I don't.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Get how these people are shook, Like there was so
much in the press about this.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
I just I don't think they really listen to press,
and I don't think lind I think Linday says like
they're just focusing on co parenting and they do still
live their lives almost like romantic partners, but it's really
just as co parents.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
So I don't think anyone would really know, right, like
if they're already not really into PDA, let's say, right,
they but they show up places together, they're talking together,
they're hanging out, like, I'm sure there's an occasional like
touch of the arm or something that I'd be like, Oh,
they're very Yeah, he's probably.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Like so attentive to her because from what we kind
of hear about, like he sounds like a really good guy.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, he sounds great. And I think the main issue
that we can decipher from what we know in their
relationship is Turner's just very private and Lindsay's very public.
And she says, you can't put the toothpaste back in
the tube, likes she's out there, she's public, this is
her job, this is her livelihood. So like, sorry, because

(29:00):
I don't know, do you think they'll get back together?
It sounded like no, because Gabby said that what she
said felt.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Like she kind of outed Lindsay's feelings, and Lindsay hasn't
said that to him.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I agree because Gabby said that, like, Turner's a great
dad but not romantically right for Lindsay, and I was like,
that is a lot. But Turner is like spending nights.
He like sleeps over half the week. Neither one of
them are dating anyone else. They get crunches, they're always

(29:37):
hanging out. Listen. I don't know what it's like to
be connected to someone through just a kid. I don't
know if it would be easy or not. But also also,
they're not hooking up, but they're sleeping in the same place.
I don't think they're romantically into each other or even second,
I don't think into each other.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
And I wonder if one thing Lindsay did learn from
the Carl breakup is like to not hold I'm so
tight just because.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Maybe yeah, because I mean, like, dude, my ex comes
over here today, I could hate him, but if he's
sleeping next to me, we're probably gonna hook up. Like
It's just I think he's sleeping on like.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
A bed in Gemmary, in the same house, in the
same place as me.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
I'd be like, just get in here. Yeah, I just
don't think they're that.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Especially early on. Like now we're probably like six months out,
but like you're telling me like you haven't hooked up
at all since you broke up, Like.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
We literally not in share we share life, and we're
not just going to bang out it like it that
makes zero sense. I feel like that would make me
be like, look what we did, let's just took up,
And like.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
If he's such a good dad, I feel like that
would kind of be a turn to turn me out
with your kid.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, oh my god, just for proximity. At some point,
I'd be like, I'm feeling it, you're here. Let's I
don't think they I think they can't hurt each other.
I don't like each other.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I wonder if he's kind of like bored. I would
think he just seems so normal for her.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Maybe there's also the fear, though, of ruining something that's
gonna be good for Gemma, you know what I mean.
They got to go like they don't even want to
cross the line because something can get ruined, like their
co parenting relationship. What do I know nothing?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I don't co parent, but I knew then together because
Lindsay moved recently, and like there is no way you're
moving and you're not moving in with that guy.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
If you guys are together, yeap crazy. So whatever, they're
just they're gonna figure it out. Again, they don't know
because one of the parents is private, one is public.
No real Gema photos on the internet, which I think
is fair. I'm very pro don't post on the internet.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Which I don't think Lindsay has a problem with. Like
she's got enough to show without like showing her daughter's face.
Like that doesn't mean to be an issue.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Okay, So what would Lindsay today say to Lindsay of
nine years ago? She says, trust the universe. It won't
go the way you think, but it'll all work out.
And then Andy's like, that's great, Carl, let's talk about
your lemeur energy.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Oh Carl, what a way?

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Why did we talk about Lil, our favorite Lilian? This
is crazy? Carl just thought she had a hot bod.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
No, no, no, this is where I'm like, Carl, I
don't trust your interests in people, because nobody shame at all.
But like when when said that they showed Lindsay's face
and Lindsay and Lil are nothing alike, like nobody Carl
has dated is like Lil, so like you were just

(32:36):
you just like that somebody liked you and that's okay,
but like you didn't like her body.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Listen when someone's like, what'd you like about her? And
you're like, she had a hot You can't even be
like hot, You couldn't even you had to say a
hot bod the fu.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, that's so true. That's so weird to phrase it
like that, like you could have said she's quirky in
a good way.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Carl gives like he doesn't know how to act, so
he's like the dad that's trying, and everything he says
is just like yeah, stop anyway. So he brought Lil
for a weekend and Andy's like, Lindsay, did you care?
And Lindsay's like, nah, I was gone that weekend, so
I don't give it working what this man does. She
was annoyed though, that Carl talked about where Jenna or

(33:18):
Gemma was conceived, and I screamed because that was not
gonna let it go. It was weird that Carl told
Lil that Lindsay was his ex was now pregnant in
the bed that they had bought to get they had.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
The other.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I also appreciate lindsay being like, you're wrong, by the way.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
It wasn't in a bed, and I went, I was like,
tell me more about but where was it? And she goes,
I don't have to share that?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
And did you hear Amanda? Please? But Amana goes, oh,
are you gonna pull a Turner and be private about this?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Now? I want just tell me where. Tell me where.
You could be very vague about it. You could see
a couch. You could say I don't know about a car.
You could be abay.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I just need to know. I don't need the game
of clue, like, just tell me the location generically.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Exactly it was. Turner and lindsay in they wear making
the baby, let us know. Okay, So Carl then versus Carl. Now,
what's the difference. Kyle says, Carl is more confident, more
comfortable in his skin, and I went, maybe, but he
also doesn't seem to know how to function as an adult.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Carl time, confidence isn't what I would say. I would
say he is more comfortable in his skin because he
was probably using a lot of substances, because he was
probably really uncomfortable but confidence is it what I would
go with. I would go with like calm.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Notice how we also didn't talk about soft bar.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I bet that got cut out because I don't think
any I bet they talked about it the day of.
I bet it was so boring when it was talked about.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm so I'm waiting for it to open.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well because I don't think Carl has a plan. So
then he's like doing a whole mumble jumble of words
that mean nothing. They're like, let's make a segment.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
He crowd funded and the minimum was two hundred and
fifty dollars. Who the fuck? I if anyone listening crowdfunded,
you have to reach out to me. I have to know.
I have to know about it.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I like the idea of crowdfunding to get the community involved,
but if you're relying on a lot of that for.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Actual money, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Like you should be doing like five dollars because then
people feel like they're a part of it and will
want to come give them like a glass or like
have them be part of a exact I don't know
what to call it, but like a beer club of sorts,
but obviously for no out, Like that's what you should
do to get interest in like people to come through
your door, not to fund the actual business.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
That's how you know it's funding the business. Two hundred
and fifty dollars, that's my minimum for one one stake
in the game. No, just let me be a part
of this club. I'll pay five dollars a month. Let
me be a part of the club.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Like, can you imagine if he just did, like a
fifty dollars to be part of the club, you get
a T shirt and something else like and then like
you get a stamp book for if you come for
one hundred times, you get something else like people would
have done that.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
He couldn't, though, because he needed more money, because yeah,
he doesn't have the overhead. This man dard Well, I
want to see.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I mean he has money, it's that it's so goddamn expensive.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, he doesn't have the overhead. For New York. Someone
did say. I was talking to one of my friends
about this, and she was like, he if he left
New York and went to like Colorado in the suburbs,
people would eat this shit up. She was deciding me
how a new place, a new sober place, opened right
down the street and she's like it has lines every night,
that's all New York. It's not gonna happen. I'm sorry,

(36:52):
it's it's not it And you can be aren't cheaper.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
That's the thing. I think this could sustain itself for
a little bit, but you need a small place and
you just can't. You can't build out a warehouse like
that is so stupid.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
For ten k a month, that's kind that's a lot,
and it's not These aren't. I don't want to say
this is in your market because there are a lot
of sober people in New York. Yeah, and like occasionally
I like to go get a sober drink too, So
I get that. But when you're already in a city
like the most expensive city in America, and restaurants here
only make it a max of like two three years

(37:26):
a lot of times and then turnover anyway, and they're
selling food and drinks. Like my guy, I want to
see your business plan. I'm interested. I'm interested.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I don't feel like there's a real plan. And so
it's giving shorts and sandys where it's just like a
chaotic mess and you're just gonna be like draining money
out of an account until you close.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Also, you do one thing wrong and everyone's gonna write
bad reviews on the help.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
And then, honestly, even if you don't do one bad thing,
like this show ends, you're not on TV anymore.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
It's rough, it's rough, but shut out to softbar. I
can't wait to try you. If you open up this summer,
we'll see I'll be waiting. Okay, let's talk about Kyle
and Amanda have well them in general. Maybe having a
family will just go into it. There was a big
conversation at the beginning of the summer that got cut out.
That's gonna go on to I was about to say,
behind the sheet, under the sheet, under the sheets, behind

(38:21):
the sheet, we're pulling. I don't know under the rug
who cares. But it was about their relationship and what
needed to change. Amanda says she had one foot out
the door. The relationship was on shaky ground. Kyle acknowledges
that he socializes as an outlet and he's not great
at moderation because he's drinking when he's out socializing.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
And I get this. My family is like this. When
you start, it's really hard for people to stop. But
like it seems like Kyle is out all the time too.
It's not like he just goes out the Saturday in
the Hamptons and gets obliterated and doesn't like come to
bed sometimes, like but he's in the house. It's that
he's doing this all the time and like constantly busy

(39:06):
and like there's no there's no room in any life.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Kyle doesn't do moderation in anything. So during the week
when he's working for Lover Boy, he's a thousand percent
in all day long. Right, he also works out. Amanda says,
he's up at like five am working out, goes to work,
is there until night, he eats dinner, and then goes
back to work. And then on weekends now he's fucking

(39:31):
a DJ or something. So he's putting a thousand percent
into that, and that leaves zero percent for Amanda or
the future family that they'll have. So and Kyle also
does this thing. He's been doing it for years at
this point, like since he turned thirty eight maybe, and
he's like, this might be my last summer. I have
to go so hard in the Hamptons. And but it's dude,

(39:54):
you've been on this show for nine years at this point.
You've been saying it's your last summer for at least
five of those.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
It's like, at some point you just need to be
responsible for your own actions and say what you want
to do, because I think what frustrates Amanda too is
he says he's gonna change and he does it, or
he acts like this is the last time, so it's
his last hurrah. If you want to hit it hard
on Saturday night every time in the Hamptons and you're
upfront about that, I don't think Amanda would actually care

(40:21):
that much because her expectations would be different.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
But every year he says, next summer I will be
I won't be doing it, and he does the same.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Also again, I cannot stress enough. How my god. The
first few summers, right season one, he was like, Amanda's
not looking for a ring. Season two he's like, Amanda
and I are going to settle down soon, so we
got to keep going. Then he proposes to a man
and he's like, this might be my last summer ever.
And then they get married and he's like, this might
be my last summer ever. And then three years later
we're still the same carousel ride like I would Babe's divorce.

(40:58):
I can't I know.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Then he talked to Schwartz and is like, wow, I
really thought i'd be a dad.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Buy me, I can't believe I don't have kids. What
has done? Then you're kind of putting the blame on Amanda.
You're like, because I want this, I'm sorry, Well what world?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Because I mean they could have kids, and Kyle probably
wants it this way. He doesn't he wants kids and
a wife. He doesn't want to be a husband and
a father. He doesn't want it. He doesn't think about
the responsibility would take. He just wants this like dream
life where he gets to like show up on Saturday
and like show the kid how to ride a bicycle

(41:32):
or play baseball with the kid. Like he doesn't want
to be the one making dinner on weeknights and taking
the kid to school.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, And I get that he wants to like build
this company for his future. I get that, Like I
understand it once he has kids. I get all that.
I get it because if you told me today to
have kids, I'd be like, I'm not financially ready. I
have to get there. But the reality is like you're
never gonna have all your ducks and around. Yes, like
and you've been trying to get your ducks in a

(42:01):
row for a minimum of five years.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
That's what kisses me off, is like, it's not like
you're asking for one more year and you're gonna be ready.
You will never truly be ready, but you have done
nothing to move yourself to a move forward.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, And they keep the group asked like at what
age is You're like, hey, I don't have everything where
I want, but we got to do this anyways. And
he doesn't even have an age. It's just I think
he constantly wants to push it off, and I think
that's an underlying thing. I don't think he realizes he's
doing that because I think he probably truly is scared
to like have kids and like have that responsibility. But yeah,

(42:36):
don't blame Amanda for that shit.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah. And then they mentioned like the sale of lover Boy,
which it could take years due to get your company sold.
I don't think you should.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Like and even if he sells, he's an entrepreneur at heart.
This is who you are. You will want to start
a next business, Like you don't know how to slow down,
so like you need to look at how to somebody
on the other Couch said this, like, how do you
I think of here, how do you enjoy your life
without kids? Because if you can't make them right now,
I don't think you're gonna make room when you have

(43:09):
kids and things get busier, and like what if there
actually is a sale, Like, of course you need to
dedicate your life, but if you don't know how to
have work life balance and know when to clock in
and when to clock out, like there's a problem.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Kyle's my nightmare of a person because I remind myself
every day I work to live. He lives to work,
which is the opposite of Amanda, right, So like these
two people are not compatible right off of that, because
if I'm dating someone, we're only working so we can
afford our trips and our fun things. But then if

(43:41):
you're working on our trips and not doing our fun thing,
like yeah, fun anymore, it's not fun to share that
experience with you.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
My mom always said, like, if you can't get your
job done in your eight hours, like there's something wrong
with you. And I do think there's something like more
hours needed to be like an owen at your and
like yeah, like I totally understand that, but if you
ken a clock out on a vacation. That's a you thing.
It's not because the company needs you like you can't.
That's on you constantly. Like you should be able to

(44:10):
trust people have the right team in place to run
for a week without you. Obviously if major things happen
and they need to call you, that's different. But you
should be able to step away for a time or
two you're addicted to work. They don't need you.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Can That will be so honest as someone who's worked
for small companies, you don't need the owners like that
much like the owners are there to make overarching decisions.
And let me tell you, the worst owners to work
with are the ones who are in the true day
to day. Like you hired me to do the day

(44:43):
to day. Let me just do the day to day
and I'll call you if things go wrong. I'll let
you know before there's a new design, like obviously product
development that needs to go by you, but like, don't
literally check out.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I prefer you should not have to sign off on everything,
because that is you don't have the right team in
place of the team exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
So anyway, Hi or Amanda says she's actually ready to
have kids with someone who's ready to have kids with her.
I thought it was crazy great. Also, though, we got
to talk about Amanda's mental health. She's obviously worried with
the pregnancy, like your hormones are obviously crazy. Amanda's dealt
a lot with like depression and anxiety, and she has

(45:25):
shared that with us. But Amanda says she's, you know,
she's kind of prepared in the sense that her medication
she's taking can be taken with well pregnant, and Lindsay says,
like that's really important because postpartum depression is very serious
and like Lindsay experienced that, so she's happy Amanda is
like at least aware of that beforehand and is thinking
about it. So yeah, and then they basically agree. Amanda's like, look, biologically,

(45:49):
this needs to happened in the next few years, so
right right there.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, I don't think it's going to happen, not with Kyle.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Do you think they divorce or something, because I think
Amanda wants to be a mom.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I know, but I but I don't think she wants
it that bad.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
To be alone.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
A single parent, yeah, a single parent while married.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I think in their old a like, Okay, they might
get through their well they're different decades right now, but
I think they might get through like the next ten
years if they don't have children, the next ten years ish,
But I don't think it'll last past that. If they
don't have kids, I think they're gonna be like nothing
has changed in our relationship.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I think they'll either divorce in the next four years
or they'll be together for twenty until.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
I mean, Kyle's already pushing fifty. What are we I just.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Think, like, if you already stayed for that long and
you're not having kids, like she's got her girlfriends, like
she'll keep herself busy and just whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I don't know. I think once Amanda starts going through
that menopause, she's gonna be like, I never had kids,
And I think that might push her into a different
kind of depression because that's what she wants, right, This
is something, Yeah, but I could.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
See her leaving Kyle in like four years and having
a kid at the same time.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Lindsay did like Lindsay Dirandom the first one, and she's
like work, she.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Finds a really good guy, and maybe they aren't like
they get pregnant quickly. Maybe it doesn't work out romantically.
But who cares? You have a great co parent. I'm
in the dream.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I'm kind of about it.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I kind of want to pull a Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Like I'm kind of into it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
We love living alone.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
So like, no, Lindsay's if I ever crave being a parent,
that's my problem is I'm not craving being a mother.
But if that ever were something that I was like craving,
Lindsay did it in the best way possible, in the
most way possible, ideal. Honestly, fuck your timeline, dude, this is.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
The add that to the timeline dot us.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Fall in love. Ooh ooh gross.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I want to be like think I'm in love when
we're pregnant and like have the baby and then like
be like, you know what, we're just great parents.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
I think we I just need to love the person,
like we don't need to be yeah yeah, just like
you're my beast.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Like I just kind of like the delusion of like,
oh my god, we're having a baby together. Like we're together, We're.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Good, he's living our dream. Watch us fall in love forever.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I mean, make that into a fairy tale police watch.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Okay, so we have to talk about Craig versus Kyle
with the Sprits Society dream.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I'm so fucking tired of this fight. We all knew,
like we all knew.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
We're gonna hit the points we care about. Page fought
pretty hard for Craig, not only in this but in
a lot of very other areas of his fucking life.
Even I was very against Craig, and it felt weird
because I couldn't be against Page, but I.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Well, she did a good job, Like I genuinely thought
he was a good guy now because she she prd everything.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Whoa she fought for that man. I gotta tell you though,
listening to her talk every five seconds, I was like,
how did she date this man?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
I can't believe they lasted three years?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
No, truly, I say, he's a walking it. I don't
know how she didn't get it anyway, So in this situation,
Page doesn't even know if Craig was telling the truth
when it comes to Kyle shit, because she doesn't actually know, like, uh,
what he was telling Kyle or what Craig.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Like, what what the deal really was? Craig is a
liar to everyonere.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Hey, hey, And if you're a Craig supporter. You're wrong
because he does lie go there's nine of it.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
You're dumb, like to be honest, if you believe that shit.
He has so much lying on tape.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Like it's like it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
It's not even like Jesse, Like a lot of Jesse's
lies weren't caught on tape. So like, and I think
that man's a liar. Craig, it's out there.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Babe, it's on tape. I mean there was a montage,
we saw it, cra Craig lied that the montage wasn't real. Also,
he's a conspiracy theorist, and he believes that people are
fish when they get the pick up, So like, who
are we trusting here? Who are we trusting? For real?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
You know that's what it used to be. Everything's used
to be quirky, and then you like hear kind of
everything anymore, and you're like, anyone, see, that's no evidence
on why you're crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
It's not funny, no, okay, So basically, yeah, the Spirit
Society shit happens, Kyle says, crazy enough.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Though.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
When the breakup happened, he checked in on Craig, and
Craig responded by unfollowing the cast on Instagram, which Lindsay
was like it or not. Lindsay Page said, if you
ever pro me he unfollowed you, and.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I think that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Child. He's like, also, forty, what's his issue? This man's crazy?
Grow up? Grow up?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
He had imagine being a public figure in the Bravo space,
especially because they like are so tied together with going
on Watch What Happens Live Together and Bravo con and
being like tracking what other people are saying online and
being like me, me, me, I'm gonna go on Instagram
and unfollow you. Honestly, grow up, tell me, tell me

(51:10):
you don't have a job and don't do something day
to day that you're tracking this shit so hard?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
No, literally, well he does is sit at home and
he sews. You sit at home, and you sew.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Sit at home and you want to follow people on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
On Page that was team Lover boy, so yeah, you
don't want pages and.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Y Kyle was like, I texted Page check in on
our chair texted me Team lover. Shut the fuck up, Kyle.
It's not about you and your goddamn alcohol business.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
He's like, back to my business.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
He's like hashtag team lover boy. Actually should we all?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Should we all like tweet?

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Well?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
I don't use Twitter anymore, but Blue Sky Should I
go team lover boy? That could be my one and
only post. So now we have to talk Craig getting
kicked out of Amanda in Kyle's Weather. This the talk
of the town, and Paige was like, you don't know
what you're talking about to everyone. She says that she
and I believe this. At the reunion last year when

(52:10):
this was brought up, Page was mostly mad that Danielle
spread that gossip to a jogger because they don't within
the cast like go to blogs about each other. But
I swear Page said something maybe not like no, he
didn't get kicked out, but said something like you don't
know the story, that's not what happened, Like she has
ten toes down for this man.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
No, she has always said he didn't get kicked out,
and I this is always this is the framing of
it though, because I think he didn't get kicked out.
He got asked to leave.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
He was asked to leave, and then okay, so what
he was doing he was going around drunk kicking tables.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I mean that is so embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
I went Why wouldn't you break up with him right here?
That would have been this would have been the end
for me.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
This is Hey, I don't even know if they were
officially started, but I guess maybe a prom they officially
started dating, but like that was oh wait, I'm trying
to think when everything happened.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
They were relatively new. I think because the first coming
out was Kyle and Amanda's wedding. That's what sure about
the Lady Internet was like, there's also this picture of
them making out in September.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Yes, we got that photo that photo booth like live, Yes,
you're so right. It like it was so new into
their relationship. I'm sorry, I would immediately break up with
somebody if you're kicking tables at a wedding.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
No, no, no, let me no, I'm gonna make it
worse for you. It's my best friend, I'm a bridesmaid
in my in the wedding. We're all public figures and
I'm friends with the family, and this is how you
act as my date.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
I know. I kind of was like okay whenever, because
they talked a lot before this, and like what Paige
said at this reunion, there had always been comments about
him going into the house and using that bathroom, and
to be honest, if like Page's shit was in there
and she was going in and out, and he's just like, oh,
I'm I'm with the bridal party. Whatever. Fine, That's all

(54:07):
we had really heard is like he went in the
house and he wasn't supposed to. Not the biggest offense,
but I understood you should apologize the next day. But like,
here he's kicking tape, He's doing shit publicly. That's so embarrassing.
He'd be like a drunk like and causing debauchery. No, no, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Also, let's take it a step further. We wake up
the next day and I go, hey, you got to apologize,
and he goes.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
No, oh my god. I immediately pictured that winter how
Seene where he was like, I'm not I'm not cleaning
the house.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I'm cleaning. And then when Luke was like some people
we were just raised different, that's what I would also say,
obviously you didn't have to clean up. I have your mess,
and he's like, actually, I grew up in a middle
class home and it's like, well, obviously you didn't have
to clean that hard or you were treated like a
fucking baby, honestly.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Or now that you have money, you think you're above it, Like,
come on.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I didn't understand why Page didn't break up with him then.
Remember I was so mad. I was like, he's such
an aic. This would have sent me how embarrassing. I
have to then text my friend's parents and be like,
I am so sorry my future boyfriend, because we're not
even dating at this point. Was throwing a hissy.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Fit that if I have to apologize for you and
you won't even apologize for you not happening, we're not together.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Let's just make it even worse. You know that she
told her parents, and her parents would probably like break
up with him.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
No, I bet she didn't tell her parents because she
was so embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I would have told well, yeah, I mean this is hindsight,
but she tells her parents everything. And her parents didn't
like Craig. Well, I think they didn't hate him, but
I think they were concerned.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I think they grew like they clearly had like a
rapport over the years, and like he went on family
vacations with them, like you're finding Yeah, I don't think
dad was.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Page's dad was kind of happy when they broke up.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, so did pay.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
For Craig And she's like literally always And I was like,
because does Craig the wire? And he had more of
like situation situation.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Because they're little lies that you just keep brushing everything
under the rug, like, oh, we just wanted to leave early,
like we weren't feeling well. You're just coming up with
excuses constantly on why you gotta leave. And this makes
more sense to the Southern charm Craig saying like, Oh,
I'm an alcoholic, Like I need to stop drinking as much. Yeah,

(56:31):
you're a lunatic. You're a lunatic when you.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Drink literally therapy. My guy, you're crazy. You're off your
goddamn rocker.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
But he's still drinking, Like he just drinks lightlier now,
he's a dry drunk.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Kind of he's not even doing the Heineken zeros. He
can't even do that.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
He just he'll do none Elk sometimes, but like he
stills drinking bud Lights. At least on Southern Charmy.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Was oh, guy drives me. Not the fact that he
then put Paige in these situations too, that tells you
he never loved her. He didn't love her. Sorry, you're
you keep putting the person you love in shitty situations
to cover for you. You're a fucking loser, an absolute loser.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
It's that okay. So he also kind of got sober,
he stops drinking an obscene amount, and probably they don't
have those horrific moments like the wedding. But you're not
nice enough that when she's going on tour you treat
her nicely like that's like you just suck all the time,

(57:33):
like you never love to her.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
He never loved her. Yeah, he's god to date this man.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Not having her her.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Well, he raised her. When Page started dating Craig, I went,
is there something, O, Craig I'm missing because I would
never this man drove me nuts, But I thought, you
know what, I'm pro Craig, I see it. Then all
the gigglers who never watched Southern Charm were like, oh
my god, we love Craig. He got so much streak
from her.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I think what added to the lure of her being
with him was that they always had partners at opposite times,
so there's always this like, oh, we can't and so
then when they're single at the same time, after spending
like time in winter House, just as friends. You're like,
let's see if there's something there, Like after like two
three years, it's like.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Two people with their own following pages so hot and beloved.
Oh my god, in Craig's a loser and now he's like,
look at me dating the pretty popular girl.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Let's be honest. Long distance like helped them stay together
longer because she didn't have to deal with him constantly.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
My god, imagine if these two lives together.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
It would be a Manda in Kyle basically worse, honestly worse,
because like Kyle is, like to Craig, a decent person
when he's.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Not drinking that that he has his moments for sure,
Let's not give that white man too much credit.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
But like he's not a bad person. And I think
there's a really distinct thing we always need to talk
about when talking about Bravo men, because ninety percent of
them are terrible. But there's a difference between a bad
person and just like a bad bad moment. Yeah, bad
moments that make the dude look bad. Like we said,
Wes isn't inherently a bad yeah, yeah, he just did

(59:22):
some shitty ass things that right, And I think I
don't think Jesse is that bad of a person.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I think he's making more bad choices though consistently. It
really hasn't turned around. He hasn't learned from as a friend.
Jesse isn't horrible. I think he sucks more than those
other two. But I don't think he's like Craig yet,
but he could agree.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I agree, Yeah, there's definitely a difference. And Craig is
one of the shitty men.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
And I think the longer you are on TV, the
more your head gets big. Like I think Jesse is
on a trajectory to become like Craig.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I think it also to pet Craig's show is famous
a bunch of rich kids, and Craig came in, this
middle class guy from Delaware who had to work. But
then he comes up with a pillow empire and he
gets like a lot of fans and people love Craig
and now he doesn't need to work, and now he
can just call it cleaning service because he doesn't have
to clean after himself.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Like I think Carl was a bad person and got
sober and fixed his life.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
There you go, Yeah, Carl's a great example. Yeah, it's
honestly crazy. I would go as far to say, we
on on Summerhouse have not had many, if any, like
bad guys. I would ever it's a terrible man in
my eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
But like for reasons that we're not even on TV.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
No, no, no, that's just because he's Maga. But other
than that, but most of the guys have been relatively
like make shitty choices and do shitty things, but all
in all are like good people like I I would
kick it with any of us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
And I think it really is the style of the show.
It's that they all really are friends. I think living
together requires you to be a real person for longer
periods of time that I don't think people who are
bad people could make it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Yeah, And I don't think there's this competition aspect, like
we're all in New York just trying to make it
like that's the show. We all come from, maybe nothing,
maybe something, but like at the end of the day,
New York doesn't care because we're all paying astronomical prices
to try and do literally anything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
And the show puts them on like a level playing
field when it comes to a lot more level playing
field when it comes to time in scenes because you're
all showing up to the same weekend. You know, you
just have to show up to the house to be
on the show. Obviously there's storylines that'll be bigger based
on what's going on, but like, you don't have to
be invited to a dinner and be best friends with people,

(01:01:44):
Like it's just gonna naturally happen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Hey, Craig, anyway, we guys keep talking about him, so
let's talk about the breakup. So Craig went to Pages
for Thanksgiving. Sierra was also there. Sierra knew something wasn't right,
which claude.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I don't want to know what the catalyst was that weekend,
like Page was like, I'm not doing this anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Do you think he got drunk and started kicking tables.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
No, because I think her parents would have killed him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Her dad would have killed him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
He had to have said something about her tour, like
she had already had her panic attack.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Damn, you write some some terrible anyway, Page then broke
so Thanksgiving them on Thursday. Page broke up with him Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
So they were long distance. That was a phone call,
which I didn't expect. Well, I guess I did.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Well. She was like, listen, we're gonna we're breaking up.
We can have an in person conversation about it, but
we're broken up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I understand why he didn't think it was fully real,
because if you're like, we're having this over the phone,
I will see you in December, I understand the like,
it's a little gray until we see each other.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
I don't think because then December tenth, he goes on
watching Haaven's life. I don't think he needed to say
we're broken up, but he but he was. He was
sitting there being like, I can't wait to propose. We're
gonna have twelve children together. I'm gonna move to New York.
He's gonna move to Charleston.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Because I think he's like, wow, we're tied in the media.
I've made these grand statements. This is stuff. She probably
he thinks this is what she wants to hear, and
so he's gonna go into that combo and be like,
we're good. See, I'm committed to you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
You know she watched it and was like, oh, I
go wait to dump him again because he didn't see what.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
The real problems were.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Well, he's just a bad person, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
It's him. So he would have to look in the
mirror and say, hi, my name is Craig and I'm
the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Never now this man therapy, never never heard of it,
never heard of her. So then that weekend or whenever
he was on watch for Havans Live that week, they
talk officially broken up. These two they will not get
back together, but now they're not speaking. And you know,
Craig goes on a trip to I think Aspin or
something somewhere. He's out and Page sees that he's out

(01:03:55):
and like flirting with girls and doing things, which is fine,
but she didn't then want the perception and of like,
oh no, he's cheating on Page now, yeah, which is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Really nice of her to think about that, Like, so
she has every right to be flirting with people and
out there and he does not deserve any hate for that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Agreed, and it's just a bigger cleanup. Like then Page
has to be like, no, it's okay, because what if
they didn't come out. She's like, no, I'm fine with
them cheating on me, Like that's also weird, Like yeah,
she would have to say something, so she on her pot.
She texts him and it is like, I'm gonna put
out a statement, doesn't hear back from him, and then
she goes on our podcast, which I think was dropped
New Year's Eve or I think the thirtieth because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I was dropping New Year's Eve.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Really, I didn't think I was in Mexico New Year's Eve.
What do I know? So New Year's Eve it comes
out Craig and Page have broken up. She made it
really easy. The statement was very nice. I as a
Bravo watcher, though all my friends were like, I'm so
glad they're gonna stay friends, and I was like, no, no, no,
I even I don't know about I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Thought that they were gonna be cordial, like Bravo con cordial,
like I don't think they were ever gonna be friends.
But like mass On follow is not where I thought
this was going to go on her statement.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
The way Paige said it. Yeah, in her statement, she's like,
nothing happened, we just broke up. I thought like they
would still like wish each other well whatever. I think
that's what everyone thought. I was like, something had to
why are these two breaking up? Because I always said
they would have broken up before, or they're gonna be
here forever and we're gon be fucking stuff with this.
So I was like I don't know, I'm fishy, but

(01:05:25):
I don't like Craig, so I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
The way she reminisced about their relationship, I was like, wow,
they they like they had a very adult relations or
like breakup or they like had a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
It must have been the Dinkins. It must have been
her eye have kids.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Yeah, could have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Okay, but then he of course, the rumors of Page
cheating comes out, and we know Page reached out and
was like, hey, could you just like say something and listen,
this was axes in a normal setting, do not owe
each other anything. These two are on a public form.
I always said, I think he should have said something.

(01:06:07):
I understand everyone else's point of view of like he
didn't need to. I was like, but he should. I
don't be a good person.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
He needs to defend her, say anything. He just needed
to say the truth, and Page said it perfectly, like
we're not normal exes. He doesn't in real life does
need to say anything. But because their reputation is everything,
he owed the truth to people and her to not
ruin her.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
But instead he's total victim.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
She do it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
She dub me for other people look at her on
these dates that the Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
That I'm crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
No one's falling in love at a Jets game. Please,
it's like the least sexy place to ever beople.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
So tell me you're so insecure that you need to
be like she loved me for other people. Yeah, she's
gonna move on a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Our asses were like, yeah, and we would too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
You were flooding with people and an aspen. You're allowed
to move on?

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
So was she?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
What's the problem here?

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Felt zero present bad for that man at all times.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Let me do The problem is she is doing it successfully.
He wasn't. That's why he was mad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
He went home with like Austin that night or something. Yeah,
he didn't take a girl home. She's getting box seats
at a shitty NFL game, So at least there's that.
But he didn't have to worry again, No one's falling
in love at the Jets games. But then we saw
a very emotional side of Page this summer, and he asks,
and this is I wondered this too. It's very bold

(01:07:38):
of Page to kind of go on, you know, be
filmed being like, I'm very unhappy in this relationship. Craig
gives me so much anxiety. Yeah, basically like calling him
out because if they had stayed together, you know, the
viewers would be like, break up with him? Yeah, what
are we doing here? But Page and Craig, because they've
both been doing this a long time, they had agreed like,

(01:07:59):
if you feel some and it's real, I'll say it
on on camera.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I appreciate it too. I've always though felt Craig was
a little fake because even when we knew, yeah, he
was having problems with Paige. Remember, He's like, she's gonna
move here and be so happy, and I was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Like fake with himself. So I think it truly starts
with him, Like I don't think he was ever honest
with himself about what Paige was even saying to him
about not wanting to live in Charleston, not being ready
for kids, Like he was never listening anyways. So I
think he was being honest based on what he thought, but.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
It's also in his delusion. Yeah, Paige though says she
will never say it, he will never hear her say
his name again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
That's awesome. I'm gonna do that with all my exes,
even the ones I haven't talked to in ten years. Oh,
you'll never hear me say your name again, sir. I'll
say it privately, but you'll never hear it. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
He was like, oh, Bravo, Khan will be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Oh my god, we gotta get tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
You know what I want? I know, want them to
do an ex's pianol where you have like Madison and
Austin on a pianol, Craig.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Lindsay and Carl. Because here's the other thing. You can't
have Austin and Madison because they're kind of team Craigs.
You got to give Page two people give her, give
her Carl and Lindsay. And there's even like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Below deck people like it doesn't have to be the
Southern charm like. But like Page would never show up.
Page would be like I'm not doing that panel, and
I would.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Think they're so sad, and he's like, she left me again,
but she's with another guy, and I'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Like, I want that, so I want guy a Bravo
exes pianol. But like Page is never booked.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Don't even ask her, she'll say no.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Like Craig, everybody has a partner except for Craig.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, so Page really thought her and Craig maybe would be,
you know, going a different direction once they broke up,
but now they will never speak again.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I also, i'm he chose that. He chose that. She's
reacting and saying like we're done here, boundaries. She tried
to be amicable about it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
He's still gonna victim and I'm glad. I never bought
a pillow. I did buy a shirt from his stupid store.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I'm a fucking pillow. I'm pucking for it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
But it wasn't your money.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
That's your mom's choice.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
I was looking for the Page Disorbo collection, which wasn't
in stores when I was there, because I would have
bought that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I didn't even want it when they were together.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
So like it's it's nice, Yeah, it is the same.
It doesn't fit my vibe. Okay, so Page is dating
nothing serious. You know, she's booked and busy. Baby will
Jesse pursue Page? She's like, of course I will.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I did think that that joke was funny. We got
another Lexi face and it's like, okay, that was a
real joke last year, Like this makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
He just talked so goofy dude, He's like, of course
I WILLO.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Like that should Actually what he should have said is like, well, no,
she's not a relationship anymore because he was into her
because she was in a relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Yeah, oh that'd be funny, Jesse, really, isn't that funny?

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Remember it's a joke, but like it's a joke, it's
to him, I guess if it actually isn't funny.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
So Paige, though, she's also had some major growth, very exciting.
She's really manifested and work hard for all of this,
so good for her. Now we got to talk about
will Lindsay be back next summer. Lindsay says she doesn't
know that she's gonna be in the house twenty four
to seven every weekend, but she'll be there. She'll be there,
don't worry. And then we do a toast and he's like,
we're all gonna drink Lindsay's breast milk, and I screamed,

(01:11:32):
I died. I went how weird for Carl, like im,
I was like, don't make him. And then it was like, JK,
we're drinking white with Russians except for Carl, who does
have Lindsay's breast milk, and I went.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
That is so weird.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
And then it was like, just kidding, It's just oat milk.
And I was like, that was the craziest emotional roller
coaster I've ever been on in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I died laughing. Jesse take notes, these are good jokes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
That was the cruel, craziest. It all happened within the
span of seven seconds. And I my heart and stop.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Because like it was like a take like you're taking
a back type of joke, Like everybody's silent, so then
there's like a dead silence.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I'm like, what is crazy? It was the crazies.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
I like the build on the joke. It was good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
I well, they gave me a joke that I was
shocked about and then pulled it back and then brought
me back again. And I was like, I I I
the call. I was like, and then they give him
and they're like, this is oatmelk, and he's like, it's
oat milk.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Like because like there's two concerns. It's like, do not
give me the alcohol, obviously, but like I just I
would rather I can have the alcohol over Linda's breast milk.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Please confirm it's oat milk.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Please can cause like, I'm not sipping out of this
at all because I don't trust you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
It was so funny. So then Kyle gives the toast
to friends to family and it's coming together again this
coming summer, and then it says and to baby Gemma,
hip hop pirey summerhouse Baby, it is very exciting. Okay, yeah,
but that's our that's our our season, our episode we do.

(01:13:09):
I posted our Patreon for our five dollar patrons one
last time, I said final thoughts for season five, and
we got a response from Lindsay not Hubbard. This is
Lindsay r Wat should be Lindsay Hubbard in disguise.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
No, I would love that, Lindsay r.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Not Hubbard, says love Lindsay's diatribe about perception playing a
part in Jesse and Lexi's mess. Then Jesse going back
on a break and saying that she's making me look
bad or making me look bad literally proved Lindsay's point.
Jesse has still learned nothing. And then to joke that
he would go after a page is disrespectful. He can

(01:13:47):
say no, he wouldn't because he's taking a break from
dating in the House. He doesn't care about Lexie's feelings
at all. Even the questions from Andy were kind of rude.
But it's a joke, so I guess I can't think that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
I think he gets none of the other jokes. But
if he did just the page one, I don't think
it would have been that big of a deal. But
it's everything else. It's building like she's pissed off. I
get it. It is insensitive in context of everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Listen, I'm pro these two never being near each other again.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Well, like what's gonna happen with like next season.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
It sucks because I think Lexi could be really great
on Summer House. She's hot, all the dudes would fight
over her, and she's just I think the world.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
She could have a good cast built around her. I
don't think she could ever carry the show. She could
never be a pager Lindsay for me, but I think
she's like an Amanda. We're like Amanda's a little bit quieter.
She's a supporting character.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
But still has a little spice to her, like the
way she kind of read Jesse those few times I
say that I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Was in for it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
That's true, Lindsay R says surprised, but not surprised about
Lindsay and Turner. I liked how Page spoke about the breakup.
It felt like she got the final word and gave
closer to the whole issue. Agreed because Craig. Craig confused
me more when he talked about it a char.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
I don't know who posted this, but somebody said in
that final episode, she got ten minutes of her episode.
He got three minutes to talk about the breakup in
his final episode. Like the finale's great.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Because no one cared.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Well, It's like Page is the one we want to
hear from.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Let's be honest truly. And then Lindsay says, are Kyle
and Amanda? Okay, they don't spend time together. It's so confusing.
Meredith put it out there, four years are together forever
we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Four years and I think a divorce and a Lindsay
type baby.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
I would love that. I do want to mention. So
I didn't watch the whole episode, but Amanda and Kristen
Cavalieri were on Watch What Happens Live, which is very
interesting because Kristen has a pass with Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Yes, and she can firmed that they slept together.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
She confirmed that they slept together and there was slight overlap.
Kristen was hugging up, hanging out with Craig, whatever you
want to call it. And then she saw the picture
that we all saw in New York them of Craig
and Page making out and texting Craig and said, I
think we're good. I think we're gonna stop, which was fine,
but Lindsay posted on her story, I don't know if

(01:16:11):
you saw this. I was dying laughing. So Kristin Cavalary
confirmed that. And then if you remember, we went to
the Summerhouse and Lindsay, when Craig was there at the Summerhouse,
said something along the lines of like, weren't you just
with Kristen Cavalery while you were dating Page, because that's
when the fight happened. And Craig was like, you're a loser, Lindsay,

(01:16:31):
and I thought it was so funny, because like, what
a weird comeback. I love calling people losers. But Lindsay
posted and like the clip of Kristin Cavalry confirmed me,
and it was like, isn't it crazy that I was
called a loser? When I brought this up by a
bigger loser or something like that. Yeah, I was like,
you know what though calls out Collins. I forget exactly.

(01:16:53):
But Kristin Cavalry did a great job. She's really great
on Watch What Happens Live because.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
She also is always already honest, like with what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Oh here, remember when Craig screamed at me for hours
at Summerhouse because I gave Paige the heads up about
the situation and here we are the truth bomb. So
glad Paige is not with a pathy anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
God.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Oh that's one of my favorite clips. If Lindsay doesn't
come back, I'm gonna find that clip and I'm gonna
put it on her TikTok because that was just so good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
I love it. Was there anything else on Watching What
Happens Live?

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
No? I think they just discussed the final episodes. I
think they talked about kyle'ving and Dad. It doesn't matter,
but Kristen was very fun. I enjoy Kristen Cavaliery a lot,
just as like a person.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Showed played on Bravo last night right after Summer House.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Oh that's right, honestly, but it's on Cavali.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
But I don't know what it actually is called, but
the show actually will air on E the rest of
the time, but it did play on Bravo to probably
drum up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Old show very cavalary. This is honestly cavaliery. Very cavillary
has a better ring.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
But I agree, and also like that was on E
as well, so like they they could have done like
very cavalery the podcast tour, like they owned the show.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
I did see a clip. This is off topic a little,
but I did see a clip from the show because
she did a live podcast where she brought in her
Laguna Beach friends, like the people from her grade. So
like Jason Tallon just caw just come to the to
Alex's I think, and Talent has spoken out and said
he got really drunk at that live I saw it.

(01:18:38):
I saw, yeah, man, yeah, just for the listeners Talon
was talking about and the clip I saw how producers
wanted Talent to ask Kristen to prom and he was like, well,
that's really fucking terrible, and Christen's like, fuck you, what
the hell?

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
He was so mean to her.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Yeah, and then was like yeah, dogging her a little,
and then brought up how he's he has a mullet
now and he's trying to be a real Montana boy, which,
as we know, is Kristen's X.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
And he also basically said like stop dating, Like yeah,
he's going out to her for like past stuff and
like current stuff. And it's like this is her podcast,
like shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Alan's gonna calm down. But yeah, crazy, I'm gonna tune in.
I loved Very Cavaliery, but only Jake Cutlers. I'm a
little nervous without it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
I know, Well, this is like a limited series, so
I think it's a little bit easier because it's structure.
It's just on her podcast store, which was six stops,
so it's a very short, just like very specific piece
of her life.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Yeah. Unfortunately, we'll never cover Very Cavaliery because it's more
than one season, so we don't need that shit. But
if anyone's interested, Meredith, me and my boss would talk
about it in the office when we work together. Because
he loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
He was Jay Color was hilarious. He carries that show.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
As Midwesterners who then all living in Chicago. J Color
was because Jay played for the Chicago Bears. For those
who don't know, he was the best part of that
show with his stupid deer Camp. Good time, yeahd time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Well can we talk about the big news Page leaving Summerhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
I am sad for myself because I enjoyed Paige, but
I think it's for the best.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
I've sent her well wishes. It's been a great time.
I've loved every second, even.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Like it makes the most sense, no matter if some
or like if that like the Valley type thing show
takes off that everybody's asking for or not. I think
Page is an't the place in her career where she's
fine with or without the show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
I agree. She also just launched a pj line. There
is some controversy about it right now of stealing designs
from a smaller creator, So we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
See what happens with that. They're not saying Paige did
her partner did it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Her partner was connected. Yeah, so even the small the
creator or the person who has the pajama line is
not blaming Page for it. But this is you know
when you sign on. It's it's crazy, I know, but
I wish Page the best in her future endeavors. I
wish you're the best for Giggly Squad. I do think

(01:21:22):
it's just probably the right move the right time. That
being said, do we think these people are coming back?

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
I think there will be another season. I worry it's
going to be like vander Pump where it just kind
of like crumbles because it's not a good season and
then it'll take down the whole show. But I've heard
Emeralds out, I've heard Lexi they're on the fence, and
I've forgot Jesse's going back.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
So like, are you going to have Jesse and Get?
But here's the thing, now, you ever like really no,
Like as much as I love Seer and Amanda, you
need a girl because Lindsay's not going to be back,
so like you never kind of carry it. So like
what I think it's going to grumble for sure, in
my humble opinion, you bring back Lexi and Emerald, you
build a cast around them, and you have the rest

(01:22:08):
of the casts like pop in occasionally, and you do
an off like a separate thing with everyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Don't wait for it to crumble and then do what
vander Pump's doing, where you like recast everyone, bring in
two familiar faces, build around that. Because I hate starting
a new I never know anyone's name. It takes me
at least twenty hours.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
I know. I think you keep Amanda Kyle, Yeah, great,
and then you keep West West, Jesse, Lexi, and Emerald,
and you build it out of Emerald and Lexi's friends.
You like find people they know or even if they
like just casually know them, but like make them the

(01:22:48):
ones who introduce people like that. And I think you
need two girls, one guy. And then at the end
of the season, Amanda and Kyle drive back to the
city and that's our transition into any show with Lindsay maybe,
and then like Carl and you could go to I
think Carl and Lindsay need to just be guests of

(01:23:11):
over the summer and then we like they can be
on this like fault like whatever happens in the city. Yeah,
because but like that's when Amanda Kyle are done, and
like we have the new cast.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Of properly say goodbye, but bring in new people so
we're not like then bombarded with all this new yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
And it's not just like we don't want half of
the cast goes away and there's nothing left to build.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
It und or honestly, instead of a spin off, you
could just do a Winter type esque show where you
throw everyone in a house for two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
And yeah, I think they need to bring back Winter House.
I know it's not the best performing thing, but I
think it helps with Bravo kan interests in like getting
people to cross watch shows, like it's kind of your
lost leader, Like it's not going to make you the
most money, but it gets people excited about other shows
and introduced into other shows.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
And I'm sure Paid can take two weeks go to
a house. She can go with Sierra.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
She's really I think she'll ever do it, but I
don't think she'll come back. No, but like put Lexi in,
like Page is like done with this stuff, like she
probably she's clearly fine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Yeah, but you could bring in then Sierra. You could
put Wes and Jesse in that show. I think it
would be better, and you could have them overlap with
other casts, which would be fun. You could have Lindsay
come because they occasionally have guests, have Lindsay come for
a night or two.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
I think you keep everybody who's like fortying up out
of it, but you got of it Southern hospitality. You've
got new Van or Pump coming, like Lexi from Summer House,
like the younger side of summer Generation Yeah, Jen, next gen?

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
What is the next gen Z? Next gen NYC NYC
of But if they're all gen Z, yeah, listen, I
gotta tell you guys, I got it. Here's a little
here's a little hint. I tried watching. I made it
maybe fifteen minutes, and I want to bang my head
into it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
I think I need to put my thoughts on TikTok
because like, I have some thoughts about it, but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
It's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
I think there is potential. I think they really screwed
up their premiere because they made it seem like we
all knew what was going on.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
It was very bad. First of all, First of all,
who's the girl from Atlanta? What's her name?

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Ariana?

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Ariana? She wants me to believe she's gonna be in
a New York City girl with those two big ass dogs.
Those they took up the whole sidewalk. I've never been
more angry.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
I think they did a good job though by introing
it around Ariana in the fact that her mom took
all of her money, because that is a hot storyline
in the Bravoana is this divorce and so like that
hooked me as I'm like, oh my god, I want
to know what's been up with Ariana, Like how is
she making money? I can't believe she's sending money to
her mom, like in that conflict with her and her boyfriend.

(01:25:48):
Very real, believable stuff. But these people and their friendships
make no sense. Some of them are being introduced to
each other. Some of them are friends, but they're not.
Like the way they sold it online is not what
actually is happening, and it's very confusing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
I gotta be me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
I have no idea. Is someone who doesn't do well
with new people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
I agree. I think they really screwed it up, but
I think they could do something with like this idea
could have been done. It's just it's it's not great.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
I made it to the part where I think I
think we've introduced like Meredith Marx was there in a
blonde wig.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Oh god, it got Worselicia her.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Son is creative director. And then those two Randos showed
up and he's like, Hi, I'm Chad or Brad or something.
This white dude, Chase is I don't know. He showed
up and he's like him and Marx are they hooking up?
Are they just friends? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
And then that guy goes on a date with her
with Chloe, Marx Brooks's sister. It's fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Oh my god. The sister was there and I was like,
she's never on Salt Lake City. She shows up for one,
like one Jewish dinner that we do and then never
shows up yet. I was, so, I know, if you
want to do a timeline on any of these people,
that would help.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
There's not enough to do a timeline on them. That's
why I did just mini World, but.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Maybe twenty one, and they have nothing. Gia's here. If
I gotta here, Teresa, I'm also watching Jersey. If I
got here, Teresa, say one more goddamn fucking thing, I'm
gonna lose my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
So yeah, I don't. I don't think it'll do well.
I think it's gonna be a one season wonder, which
makes me not want to watch it. So then we
can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Should we not want? I don't want to watch it,
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
I'm gonna go in you stop watching. I'm gonna give
it one more episode, and I think the next episode
can tell me if this could be the second season
show or not.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
God, y'all, I thought Meredith was gonna make me watch that.
She always makes match the dumbest shit. Sometimes she's gonna
make me watch.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
I would never have made you watch this. If I
was going to continue with it, I would just update
you on.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Also, sometimes I get a text from Meredith and she's like,
you have to watch this episode and I'm like, we do,
and I do it for this show, and I do
like it's usually.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
A worthy discussion. I would never really watch that this.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I was like, if she I'm gonna push back. For
the first time in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
I tuned in because people asked me on her Instagram
if I was going to watch, and I was like,
there were enough people asking that I would watch and
report back. So here's the report.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Here you go clip this for the socials. I'm not
I can't do it. I don't know any of these people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
I'm gonna make a real TikTok about the three downfalls
I think that they made and if they could turn
it around, but it's already probably edited in, already produce,
so if they don't turn these things around, it's gonna
be a one season Wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
It's already out there. I love it great. This was
a pretty bad Summerhouse season. Yeah, Bravo, just hire us.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
We would keep you afloat.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
You're not doing well, Let me help, Let me help anyway,
do all the things. Tune in. We'll be back eventually.
I think we're doing a one season Wonder coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
It's a crossover from one season Wonders to vander pump
Rolls with Jackson, Brittany take Kentucky. We'll be back in
July with that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
I think I said something once and I'm like, I
never want to watch the show, and Meredith said, well,
you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Have to, and I was like, I think we tell
me six episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
We're gonna do it, mostly because I know in the show.
I've never seen it, but I know Jax goes to
church and that is one of my favorite stories. I'm
looking for that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
And I think we're gonna break our rule on not
being spoilers except for this show, because there is no
way I can get through this show without talking about
how shitty Jax is. In present day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Well, we're forced watching The Valley, which is also not
doing too hot currently in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
But.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Bravo, let me turn your summer around. Remember when Bravo
summers were good and we got those promos. Oh my god,
I know one life was good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Well, we're gonna have fun because we're going back. We're
doing and do it. We're doing Jackson Brittany. It'll only
be six weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
And we love a one season wonder though.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
We know that maybe we should let our Patreon vote
if we're gonna then do Vanner Pump season six or
Summerhow season four?

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Oh? Yeah, which one do you want? More?

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Forward to we also present our one season Wonders to
the Patreon.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
And you want to see we're just at a perfect
time that this is the only time Josie Bernie. But
the next meeting Wonders. Yeah, they can have they can have.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
An Okaine addict. Maybe we'll see some some proof. Maybe
we'll see where it started in Kentucky and didn't it
started way back in la But yeah, and we already did.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Thank god, the season where he does show it on
camera at his wedding. Never have to do that again.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Sorry, it's not funny, but it is anyway, great, We
did it. We made it through pretty bad season. We'll
be back, do all the things in our description, and
with that, thanks for being here, love.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Ya, thanks for joining. Bye,

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