March 28, 2025 • 15 mins
In this episode you'll discover:
What inspired Emmy-winning filmmaker R.J. Cutler to dive into the drama and intensity of the 2024 World Series in his new Apple TV+ docuseries Fight for Glory
The deeper philosophy behind his storytelling approach across iconic documentaries like The September Issue, The World According to Dick Cheney, and Billie Eilish: The World’s a Little Blurry
The creative partnership with Derek Jeter and what it was like working with Imagine Documentaries
R.J.'s advice to aspiring filmmakers and what it takes to tell stories that truly resonate
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What inspired Emmy-winning filmmaker R.J. Cutler to dive into the drama and intensity of the 2024 World Series in his new Apple TV+ docuseries Fight for Glory
The deeper philosophy behind his storytelling approach across iconic documentaries like The September Issue, The World According to Dick Cheney, and Billie Eilish: The World’s a Little Blurry
The creative partnership with Derek Jeter and what it was like working with Imagine Documentaries
R.J.'s advice to aspiring filmmakers and what it takes to tell stories that truly resonate
🎧 If you loved the interview:
💬 Let us know your favorite moment
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📢 Share it with a friend who loves storytelling, sports, or film
🚨 Stay tuned — more incredible interviews with Hollywood’s Legends & Icons are coming your way!
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to amazing women and men of power, legends and icons, Yesterday, Today,
and tomorrow. I'm your host, Raven the talk show Mavian
and Wow. Today's guest is one of the most powerful
storytellers working behind the camera, from peeling back the behind
the scenes of what it is really like in Billie
Eilish world shown in his docuseries The World's a Little Blurry,
(00:34):
to chronicling fashion heartbeat in the September's issue, and even
stepping inside political power in the world. According to Dick Cheney,
his films don't just show you something, they make you
feel it for sure. He's worked with legends like Elton John,
Derek jetter Ron Howard, and Brian Grazer. And now he's
(00:57):
teamed up with Apple TV plus Major League Baseball and
Imagine Documentaries to give us Flight for Glory, the twenty
twenty four World Series premiering globally this mom So don't
you miss it. Please welcome the Nepabody and Glad Award
winning creative force behind this machine. You know what I
(01:18):
like to say, if you stand and sit down, and
if you sit and stand up, cause the men is here. RJ. Cuttler.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Thank you. Thank you for that wonderful introduction, and thanks
for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, we're excited to have you here. Let's start with
this and tell me if I'm wrong, because you always
you know, you got a fact check sometime, but I
read RJ. Did you begin your journey in theater before
making your mark in film? First of all, is that true?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It is true? It is true. I was a Broadway baby.
I worked up the original production of Into the Woods
back in the mid nineteen eighties, the Stephen Sonheim James
Lapine music. So yeah, I go way back.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Wow wow, wow wow. Well what kind of storytelling lit
you up back in those days? Are led you there?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, that's you know, it's a great question. I've always
been a fan of great story and emotional, character driven storytelling,
and it's what I loved about the theater. I loved,
you know, putting on a great show and something that
the audience would respond to. I love the use of
(02:34):
music in storytelling, and I think that I bring all
of those values to my filmmaking in documentary, and it's
what I've loved doing about doctor. I always always think
of myself as a theater director who makes documentary films.
So I'm really always thinking about, you know, putting on
a good show.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
There you go, there you go, And like I was
saying in the intro, you know, it's not just you
tell the story. You can feel it and feel the words,
feel the emotions, feel everything. And I think that's really
what makes a great storyteller, don't you.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I do? I do. I think if you can really
get to the heart and soul of your characters, what
they want, what they need, how they overcome adversity, what
their true characters are, the decisions that they make, and
why they make them. I'm very drawn to people at
a crossroads in their lives and what that all means,
(03:34):
and you know, relationships and family and all the kinds
of themes that quite honestly you see us exploring even
in the world series film on Apple TV plus site.
For Glory is really the story of how people overcome adversity.
And you see that. I mean, baseball is a game
(03:56):
of failure. Even the greatest players only succeed thirty percent
of the time, and so that means that the Hall
of Famers have to deal with failing seventy percent of
the time. And you see in this film how the
way that you confront failure is what makes you a
(04:18):
great player and a successful player.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Absolutely, And you know what, I love the fact that
you said that is about, you know, getting over diversity
and things like that, because that's life, right, That's just
life right.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
No, I couldn't agree with you more. That is that
is the essence of what life is about. You know,
there are a lot of sports where the best the
best players succeed all the time, and that's great. I mean,
there is nothing more enjoyable than watching Michael Jordan at
his best, or or seeing Roger Federer at his best.
(04:54):
But the thing about baseball is that your your favorite
players are always confronting the fact that you know that
baseball is the hardest sport there is, and that there's
so much failure involved in the game, and also that
there's no plot, that anything is possible. Even if your
(05:19):
team is down ten runs with two outs in the
bottom of the ninth, you can still win. And if
quite honestly, in this World Series, you see a team
that's down in the bottom of the tenths, down by
a run, down to their last out, and they find
a way to win. And that's the beauty of baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Oh wow, I can't wait to see it. You know, ourday.
My dad was such a big baseball fan, and you
know what, I used to say, why is he on there?
And then one time he took me to a game
and it was so exciting. And after he passed, but
after he passed, I found out that one of my
(06:04):
uncles was in the Negro baseball team.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Do you know where what city he was in? Pittsburgh.
That's incredible, that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I know we found a picture, you know, after my
Diand passed that he had put away and guess what
my uncle ended up getting up. I think it was
the Hall of Fame or something they gave him, but
he had already passed. But anyway, so I after that,
you know, that piqued my interest more in baseball and
I watched it a lot and it's so much to it.
(06:38):
You know, My Diand used to say baseball was a
heart game. I just think he had a thing for
it though, you know, he said that that's a hard game.
He would not let us get in his way. When
that came on, I just wanted to share that with
you because when I knew that I was going to
be talking to you about this today. It made me
think to him, so thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know what. That's another thing about baseball is it's
full of memory. And that's another thing that we delve
into in the in this series Baseball of Oaks. Memory.
Everybody's got a story tell about them about the role
that it played in their childhood with their parents.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You see it in this series. You know, I'm the
same way my my parents turned me onto baseball when
I was very very young. My grandfather taught me how
to read a box sport and uh and and and
my parents brought me to see Mets games when I
was growing up. And uh and and uh I think
(07:40):
about them a lot because both they have both passed
and and it's some of the you know, happiest memories
I hold as how we used to go to Chase
Stadium when I was a kid and and root for
the you know, root for the Mets and and uh
and and that's a common experience you will share the
family and and uh and the winning teams are always
(08:03):
the teams that that are most like a family.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It doesn't mean they always get along, because as we know,
there are all sorts of families, but the way they
come together as a family is always part of the story.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, well, I think there's what us watching this is
going to be so great for everybody, you know what,
A I just think this series is going to be
perfect for this era, in this time in our lives.
Don't you think.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
You're not the first person to say that, And I'm
so grateful to you for saying it. The uh you know,
we we we need the stories now that are full
of hope, stories possibility. We need stories that uh that
that give us state in our institutions. We need stories
that celebrate the principles of of our country, which is
(08:56):
which is about fighting for truth and and and hopefulness.
And there are many of us who would love to
see that more in our public life. We want to
see optimism and hope and fights for glory that are
about family and teamwork and coming together in a positive,
(09:18):
hopeful way. And I think this is the kind of
story that people are going to respond to absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So I want to encourage the listeners. Hey, check out
Fight for Glory, the twenty twenty four world series and
guess what, y'all you can look at it today. It
premiers today. How exciting. How exciting. I want to talk
to you a little bit about you just having so
(09:44):
many different people that you've interviewed. You know, here's an interviewer, emmy.
So I just got to ask you this because you've
interviewed some of the biggest icons in the world. But
I want to know r Jay, when you're not behind
the camera, what light you up.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I love spending time with my family. I love my
kids and my wife, and we have lots of great adventures.
I love to cook. What relaxes me more cooking or
scratching my head?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And I.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Like I like cooking even more than I like scratching
my head.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh my god, you like cooking. That's exciting boy. Okay,
we got a chef Ramsey over here. Huh.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Absolutely. And I love the movies and I love I
love baseball. You know That's what I I when in
the six months between seasons, I uh, I distract myself
with all sorts of things. But but April till October
is is uh is the happy time of the year
for me.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Oh wow. Well, you know what, when you're interviewing all
these different peopleeople, I know, you really get into their story.
So from interviewer to interviewer, and for all of the
listeners that I have that are talk show hosts, because
that's what I do. Meant to talk so hosts, So
give us a give us an interviewing tip that we
(11:16):
could really run away with and be better storytellers. I
want to be a good storyteller like you are. Jay I.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Well, what I would say is empathy. Empathy is the
is the your greatest tool, and being able to listen
listening with empathy is. If I was only able to
give one piece of advice to aspiring filmmakers and interviewers,
would they are not the King. You know, we're socialized
(11:49):
to not to be comfortable with silence, m but I
find that silence is uh is is one of the
greatest tools that you can have as a documentary filmmaker
and as an interviewer. You know, let the person think
(12:09):
about what they want to say, even if they've talked
for a little while. Don't feel like you've got to
still the uncomfortable silence with your own thoughts because often
the thing that the people you're interviewing said after the
ten seconds pause, saying that you that you know you've
(12:30):
hoped they would say, and that they've been thinking about saying,
but had to muster the courage to say.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Oh, that's big, that's big, Artee Mustard, the courage to say, yeah,
sometimes we're too busy talking, so we just got to listen.
I think I learned that one from my mama.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You want to know what I learned from my mom?
And God bless her.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
She just passed away a rich.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Long life. She lived to ninety seven and a half.
And one of the things she taught me when I
was growing up, and she knew that I had a
passion for this kind of work, was that people love
to talk about themselves. People love to tell their stories.
You know, I'm always asked how come people let you
make movies about them. It's because they want their stories told.
(13:21):
We all know that, you know, we're dust in the wind,
and we all know that life comes and goes, and
we all know that we're doing our best and we're
living our life to the fullest and whatever that means.
We're as we say, we're overcoming the adversities, we're hugging
our family tight. We have stories to tell. Some people
(13:43):
have even more remarkable stories to tell, and that's why
filmmakers like me and interviewers like you were able to
do the work that we do because because people want
to tell their stories. And that's the lesson that my
mama taught me when I was when I was young.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Now that's all I'm seeing that we have a lot
in common here. I can't wait to meet you one
of these days. This has been great. I think that
I find I got time for one more question, and
that would be you know, the level of this docuseries,
of course, is extraordinary. We want to remind everybody to
make sure you watch it. And oh my god, I
(14:25):
think what we want to find out from you is
how did you in the team? I know you must
have an awesome team. How did you guys fall into
wanting to do this? What was the one thing that said,
you know what, we got to do this story? And
I would imagine it would mean some trust as far
as they them picking who's going to capture them. You know,
(14:48):
these are real lives, right, real moments and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Well, you're absolutely right. Trust is the key and we
can't do anything that in our work without the trust
and the people who were filming the fact that League
Baseball came came to us, and and that they trusted
us to tell these stories meant was was was so important.
We are all baseball passionate, baseball nerds, so so we
(15:15):
we left at the opportunity and uh and we're so
grateful for the trust because, uh because, as I say,
that's what you know, that's what makes our work possible.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah. Absolutely, Well this has been great. Oh my god,
thank you so much for stopping by virtually to amazing
women and men of power, legends and icons yesterday, today,
and tomorrow. You're certainly in icon everyone. This is our
j color, our jay. It's been amazing. Thank you for
being here.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Thank you, my friend. I really enjoyed it all, right,
bye bye. It
Welcome to amazing women and men of power, legends and icons, Yesterday, Today,
and tomorrow. I'm your host, Raven the talk show Mavian
and Wow. Today's guest is one of the most powerful
storytellers working behind the camera, from peeling back the behind
the scenes of what it is really like in Billie
Eilish world shown in his docuseries The World's a Little Blurry,
(00:34):
to chronicling fashion heartbeat in the September's issue, and even
stepping inside political power in the world. According to Dick Cheney,
his films don't just show you something, they make you
feel it for sure. He's worked with legends like Elton John,
Derek jetter Ron Howard, and Brian Grazer. And now he's
(00:57):
teamed up with Apple TV plus Major League Baseball and
Imagine Documentaries to give us Flight for Glory, the twenty
twenty four World Series premiering globally this mom So don't
you miss it. Please welcome the Nepabody and Glad Award
winning creative force behind this machine. You know what I
(01:18):
like to say, if you stand and sit down, and
if you sit and stand up, cause the men is here. RJ. Cuttler.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Thank you. Thank you for that wonderful introduction, and thanks
for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, we're excited to have you here. Let's start with
this and tell me if I'm wrong, because you always
you know, you got a fact check sometime, but I
read RJ. Did you begin your journey in theater before
making your mark in film? First of all, is that true?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It is true? It is true. I was a Broadway baby.
I worked up the original production of Into the Woods
back in the mid nineteen eighties, the Stephen Sonheim James
Lapine music. So yeah, I go way back.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Wow wow, wow wow. Well what kind of storytelling lit
you up back in those days? Are led you there?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, that's you know, it's a great question. I've always
been a fan of great story and emotional, character driven storytelling,
and it's what I loved about the theater. I loved,
you know, putting on a great show and something that
the audience would respond to. I love the use of
(02:34):
music in storytelling, and I think that I bring all
of those values to my filmmaking in documentary, and it's
what I've loved doing about doctor. I always always think
of myself as a theater director who makes documentary films.
So I'm really always thinking about, you know, putting on
a good show.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
There you go, there you go, And like I was
saying in the intro, you know, it's not just you
tell the story. You can feel it and feel the words,
feel the emotions, feel everything. And I think that's really
what makes a great storyteller, don't you.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I do? I do. I think if you can really
get to the heart and soul of your characters, what
they want, what they need, how they overcome adversity, what
their true characters are, the decisions that they make, and
why they make them. I'm very drawn to people at
a crossroads in their lives and what that all means,
(03:34):
and you know, relationships and family and all the kinds
of themes that quite honestly you see us exploring even
in the world series film on Apple TV plus site.
For Glory is really the story of how people overcome adversity.
And you see that. I mean, baseball is a game
(03:56):
of failure. Even the greatest players only succeed thirty percent
of the time, and so that means that the Hall
of Famers have to deal with failing seventy percent of
the time. And you see in this film how the
way that you confront failure is what makes you a
(04:18):
great player and a successful player.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Absolutely, And you know what, I love the fact that
you said that is about, you know, getting over diversity
and things like that, because that's life, right, That's just
life right.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
No, I couldn't agree with you more. That is that
is the essence of what life is about. You know,
there are a lot of sports where the best the
best players succeed all the time, and that's great. I mean,
there is nothing more enjoyable than watching Michael Jordan at
his best, or or seeing Roger Federer at his best.
(04:54):
But the thing about baseball is that your your favorite
players are always confronting the fact that you know that
baseball is the hardest sport there is, and that there's
so much failure involved in the game, and also that
there's no plot, that anything is possible. Even if your
(05:19):
team is down ten runs with two outs in the
bottom of the ninth, you can still win. And if
quite honestly, in this World Series, you see a team
that's down in the bottom of the tenths, down by
a run, down to their last out, and they find
a way to win. And that's the beauty of baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Oh wow, I can't wait to see it. You know, ourday.
My dad was such a big baseball fan, and you
know what, I used to say, why is he on there?
And then one time he took me to a game
and it was so exciting. And after he passed, but
after he passed, I found out that one of my
(06:04):
uncles was in the Negro baseball team.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Do you know where what city he was in? Pittsburgh.
That's incredible, that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I know we found a picture, you know, after my
Diand passed that he had put away and guess what
my uncle ended up getting up. I think it was
the Hall of Fame or something they gave him, but
he had already passed. But anyway, so I after that,
you know, that piqued my interest more in baseball and
I watched it a lot and it's so much to it.
(06:38):
You know, My Diand used to say baseball was a
heart game. I just think he had a thing for
it though, you know, he said that that's a hard game.
He would not let us get in his way. When
that came on, I just wanted to share that with
you because when I knew that I was going to
be talking to you about this today. It made me
think to him, so thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know what. That's another thing about baseball is it's
full of memory. And that's another thing that we delve
into in the in this series Baseball of Oaks. Memory.
Everybody's got a story tell about them about the role
that it played in their childhood with their parents.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You see it in this series. You know, I'm the
same way my my parents turned me onto baseball when
I was very very young. My grandfather taught me how
to read a box sport and uh and and and
my parents brought me to see Mets games when I
was growing up. And uh and and uh I think
(07:40):
about them a lot because both they have both passed
and and it's some of the you know, happiest memories
I hold as how we used to go to Chase
Stadium when I was a kid and and root for
the you know, root for the Mets and and uh
and and that's a common experience you will share the
family and and uh and the winning teams are always
(08:03):
the teams that that are most like a family.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It doesn't mean they always get along, because as we know,
there are all sorts of families, but the way they
come together as a family is always part of the story.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, well, I think there's what us watching this is
going to be so great for everybody, you know what,
A I just think this series is going to be
perfect for this era, in this time in our lives.
Don't you think.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
You're not the first person to say that, And I'm
so grateful to you for saying it. The uh you know,
we we we need the stories now that are full
of hope, stories possibility. We need stories that uh that
that give us state in our institutions. We need stories
that celebrate the principles of of our country, which is
(08:56):
which is about fighting for truth and and and hopefulness.
And there are many of us who would love to
see that more in our public life. We want to
see optimism and hope and fights for glory that are
about family and teamwork and coming together in a positive,
(09:18):
hopeful way. And I think this is the kind of
story that people are going to respond to absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So I want to encourage the listeners. Hey, check out
Fight for Glory, the twenty twenty four world series and
guess what, y'all you can look at it today. It
premiers today. How exciting. How exciting. I want to talk
to you a little bit about you just having so
(09:44):
many different people that you've interviewed. You know, here's an interviewer, emmy.
So I just got to ask you this because you've
interviewed some of the biggest icons in the world. But
I want to know r Jay, when you're not behind
the camera, what light you up.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I love spending time with my family. I love my
kids and my wife, and we have lots of great adventures.
I love to cook. What relaxes me more cooking or
scratching my head?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And I.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Like I like cooking even more than I like scratching
my head.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh my god, you like cooking. That's exciting boy. Okay,
we got a chef Ramsey over here. Huh.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Absolutely. And I love the movies and I love I
love baseball. You know That's what I I when in
the six months between seasons, I uh, I distract myself
with all sorts of things. But but April till October
is is uh is the happy time of the year
for me.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Oh wow. Well, you know what, when you're interviewing all
these different peopleeople, I know, you really get into their story.
So from interviewer to interviewer, and for all of the
listeners that I have that are talk show hosts, because
that's what I do. Meant to talk so hosts, So
give us a give us an interviewing tip that we
(11:16):
could really run away with and be better storytellers. I
want to be a good storyteller like you are. Jay I.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Well, what I would say is empathy. Empathy is the
is the your greatest tool, and being able to listen
listening with empathy is. If I was only able to
give one piece of advice to aspiring filmmakers and interviewers,
would they are not the King. You know, we're socialized
(11:49):
to not to be comfortable with silence, m but I
find that silence is uh is is one of the
greatest tools that you can have as a documentary filmmaker
and as an interviewer. You know, let the person think
(12:09):
about what they want to say, even if they've talked
for a little while. Don't feel like you've got to
still the uncomfortable silence with your own thoughts because often
the thing that the people you're interviewing said after the
ten seconds pause, saying that you that you know you've
(12:30):
hoped they would say, and that they've been thinking about saying,
but had to muster the courage to say.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Oh, that's big, that's big, Artee Mustard, the courage to say, yeah,
sometimes we're too busy talking, so we just got to listen.
I think I learned that one from my mama.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You want to know what I learned from my mom?
And God bless her.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
She just passed away a rich.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Long life. She lived to ninety seven and a half.
And one of the things she taught me when I
was growing up, and she knew that I had a
passion for this kind of work, was that people love
to talk about themselves. People love to tell their stories.
You know, I'm always asked how come people let you
make movies about them. It's because they want their stories told.
(13:21):
We all know that, you know, we're dust in the wind,
and we all know that life comes and goes, and
we all know that we're doing our best and we're
living our life to the fullest and whatever that means.
We're as we say, we're overcoming the adversities, we're hugging
our family tight. We have stories to tell. Some people
(13:43):
have even more remarkable stories to tell, and that's why
filmmakers like me and interviewers like you were able to
do the work that we do because because people want
to tell their stories. And that's the lesson that my
mama taught me when I was when I was young.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Now that's all I'm seeing that we have a lot
in common here. I can't wait to meet you one
of these days. This has been great. I think that
I find I got time for one more question, and
that would be you know, the level of this docuseries,
of course, is extraordinary. We want to remind everybody to
make sure you watch it. And oh my god, I
(14:25):
think what we want to find out from you is
how did you in the team? I know you must
have an awesome team. How did you guys fall into
wanting to do this? What was the one thing that said,
you know what, we got to do this story? And
I would imagine it would mean some trust as far
as they them picking who's going to capture them. You know,
(14:48):
these are real lives, right, real moments and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Well, you're absolutely right. Trust is the key and we
can't do anything that in our work without the trust
and the people who were filming the fact that League
Baseball came came to us, and and that they trusted
us to tell these stories meant was was was so important.
We are all baseball passionate, baseball nerds, so so we
(15:15):
we left at the opportunity and uh and we're so
grateful for the trust because, uh because, as I say,
that's what you know, that's what makes our work possible.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah. Absolutely, Well this has been great. Oh my god,
thank you so much for stopping by virtually to amazing
women and men of power, legends and icons yesterday, today,
and tomorrow. You're certainly in icon everyone. This is our
j color, our jay. It's been amazing. Thank you for
being here.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Thank you, my friend. I really enjoyed it all, right,
bye bye. It
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