August 15, 2025 ⢠17 mins
Today on Amazing Women and Men of Power: Legends and Icons, Raven the Talk Show Maven rolls out the red carpet for writer-director Kate Becroft, the visionary filmmaker behind East of Wall.
This raw, unflinching portrait of the New West was born from a chance meeting with Tabitha Zimica, a fierce Lakota rancher, and her unstoppable teenage daughtersââthe most badass girlsâ Kate had ever met. What started with âWanna see some real cowgirl shit?â turned into a three-year immersion into their world, blending truth and fiction in a groundbreaking docu-fiction style that puts the women themselves in the driverâs seat of their story.
With its Sundance Audience Award, multiple festival premieres, and the Adrian Shelley Excellence in Filmmaking Award already under its belt, East of Wall now rides into theaters nationwideâcourtesy of Sony Pictures Classics. Kate shares how the project transformed her life, her philosophy on telling womenâs stories with authenticity, and why teenage girlsâ wild, unfiltered spirit needs to be celebrated on screen.
đŹ If youâve ever wondered how a wrong turn on a South Dakota back road could lead to Hollywood acclaimâthis is the episode you wonât want to miss.
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This raw, unflinching portrait of the New West was born from a chance meeting with Tabitha Zimica, a fierce Lakota rancher, and her unstoppable teenage daughtersââthe most badass girlsâ Kate had ever met. What started with âWanna see some real cowgirl shit?â turned into a three-year immersion into their world, blending truth and fiction in a groundbreaking docu-fiction style that puts the women themselves in the driverâs seat of their story.
With its Sundance Audience Award, multiple festival premieres, and the Adrian Shelley Excellence in Filmmaking Award already under its belt, East of Wall now rides into theaters nationwideâcourtesy of Sony Pictures Classics. Kate shares how the project transformed her life, her philosophy on telling womenâs stories with authenticity, and why teenage girlsâ wild, unfiltered spirit needs to be celebrated on screen.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to amazing women and men of power, legends and icons. Yesterday, today,
and tomorrow. I'm your host, Raven the talk show Maven.
And today we're rolling out the red carpet for an
acclaim filmmaker whose debut is already shaking up Hollywood. I
kid you not. Her name Kay Beecroft, and she is
the writer and director of East of Walls, a raw
(00:33):
and powerful portrait of the New West, told by a
woman who lived it, not stars who played it. Her
journey began when she met Tabitha Ziemaka of Fears Lakota Rancher,
who greeted her with want to see some real cowgirl shit.
That chance meeting became a three year emmersion into Tabitha's world,
(00:54):
capturing resilience, family, and grit like we've never seen on screen.
East of War has already won the Sun Dance Audience Award,
premiered at Rebecca, Bentonville and Nantucket, and it's earned Kate
the Adrian Shelley Excellence in Film Making Award. How about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(01:15):
all before it's nationwide theatrical release, which happens today August fifteenth.
We are so excited and it's by Sony Picture Classics.
So I don't have anything else to say. Let me
just say if you stand and sit down. If you
sitn't stand up because Kate is here. She's here.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, Okay, you're so fun, Raven. It's so great to
be here.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I feel good? I feel good. You know. It's everything's
so happening, happening so fast, and you know, so much
to go you want. I'm actually in South Dakota right now.
So yeah, it's been great. It's been fast, and I
feel like I haven't had a minute to let anything
sink in, which I think is sometimes good.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Did you pinch yourself yet? Wonder twice?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I know that Right now? For you, I'm like, is
this real?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Is this really real? Especially when you've been working on
something for so long?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah? Absolutely? Well, congratulations on Easter Walls. Oh my god,
incredible Runch Sundance Audience Award. Okay, as a little kid,
did you dream of this? Did you dream of this moment?
You know?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I mean, I'm I'm a total film nerd, so whenever
I and I love Sundance and so I'm always looking
at who wins the Audience Award. At Sundance Films because
those are always my favorite and to have gotten that,
oh yeah, that was a total dream of mine. And
it's still so bizarre and surreal to see that award
sitting in my living room.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So I know, I can just imagine, Okay, walk past
and then like, oh you just walk back, walk walk back. Yep,
we're just keeping it real, right, we deserved it. I
don't know with minds. Sometimes I used to sleep with
little wards. They were nothing like yours, and they still
meant lots.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Of I love that energy.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Take us back to the moment on the South Dakota
back roads when you met Tabitha and those girls for
the first time. What was going through your mind at
that time.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, So, you know, I was just driving around the
US and we took a wrong turn and basically I
met a woman and she said, hey, if you want
a really amazing story, had east of Wall and find
a woman named Tabitha. And so I did, and I
pulled up for this ranch with you know, they were
just the most badass teenage girls I've ever seen in
(03:48):
my life, Like heads half shaved, looked like warrior queens.
And I was like, I want to know everything about
these teenage girls, and so I ended up living there
for three years in order for me to know everything
about them and their way of life, for me to
(04:08):
write a script and create a movie that was authentically them.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Wow, I can't even imagine somebody coming up to you
and saying that. I mean, you know, that's no unreal
right there, Let's just stop the show right there. I mean,
how unbelievable is that?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Kate?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, and you do realize you were chosen, right, you know?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And I felt chosen and I felt like they chose
me in the same way that I chose them. These
women are so fierce and you know, and they've overcome
just such an immense devastation in their lives at such
young ages, and so for them to trust me, it
(04:49):
was such a gift when they didn't need to, you know.
And I'll always remember that. They really opened up their
their their hearts and their minds to me and this process,
and yeah, it's just been such a such a gift.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know what, Kate, I just heard your emotion and
your passion. This really has touched you, girl, it really.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, They've changed my life. They've changed my perspective on
what it is to be a woman, what it is
to be a human being in this world, you know,
just the fact that they don't let all the terrible
things that have happened to them just just drown them.
They find joy and they find they find freedom in it,
and I think for them to be able to tell
(05:34):
the narrative of their own story, because this is this
film is docufiction, So it's a hybrid. Yes, they're playing
the versions of themselves, and yes it's inspired by their lives,
but then there's you know, some fiction weave through, So
it's that kind of mix of a genre. But the
reason why I didn't want to make it a documentary
and I wanted to make it docufiction is because it
gives these young girls and Tabitha their own artistry and
(05:58):
their own voices. Where it was a doc you wouldn't
really feel that way. It would be just kind of
how I see them. But with this, they they're able
to have power.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
They're able to have power. Well that was really something
for you to be thinking like that, you know what
I'm saying, Cause not everybody thinks like that that you
wanted them to have more out of it as well
as you. That's pretty cool. Okay, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
They deserve it. I mean that's how I would want
to be treated if I was in their position.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
So yeah, that's awesome. Okay, So what was the deciding
factor that said for you, you know, once you met them,
I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this.
Was it one thing that stood out the most?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It was just their spirit and their fiercenss. Yeah, i
mean women know, teenage girls are raunchy, they're feral, they're gritty,
they're opinionated. They talked about you all these things. You know,
you just don't see that on film. And I want
girls just to be so authentically themselves and find power
(07:07):
in that. And so, honestly, was the second I looked
at those girls, I just thought, Okay, this is going
to work. This is going to be a movie that
I want to see. So it becomes a filmmaker. That's
all you can do. You can't think about the audience,
you can't think about any of that. You're just like,
what do I want to see? And no matter what
that is, as long as it's your taste and your
point of view, no one can take that away from you.
(07:30):
And no matter what you'll walk out with something that
is original.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And you got to stick by it and stand by it,
right really? Yeah, absolutely, Wow, the New West is such
a powerful idea that how do you define it? And
what do you hope bomb Kate the audience takes away
from your portrayal of it.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, well, you know, I think in Hollywood right now,
of course, there's this romanticized version of what the West
is right now and what cowboy culture is. And to me,
they're so modern. Like you meet these people and you're
just like, whoa, you are so tech savvy your music taste,
but you're watching like they're so so modern, but they're
(08:10):
living in this like you know, homesteading ranch, which is
just like prairie lands, and you would think, you know,
it still looks the same as it would have a
hundred years ago, you know. So to me, that's what
they represented, That's what they represented as being the New West.
And yeah, what I hope for the audience to feel
is just the power of women and the power of
(08:34):
women telling their own stories. And you're not going to
see a Western like this. So even the way I
put the camera, I wanted the audience to feel like
they're a part of this family. And it may not
be a life that you've ever seen before, or a
culture you've ever seen before, or a house you've ever
seen before, but that's okay, and that's bridging the gap
(08:55):
and we all need to come together, especially in Hollywood,
where there needs to be more representation of marginalized communities
and cultures and backgrounds and ethnicities everything like that. So yeah,
if you just want to dive in and maybe see
something that you haven't seen before in a way that
you probably haven't seen before, then I think this could
be your film.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And be open minded and soak it all in. Right, Yes, absolutely,
I get what you're saying though, because there's sometimes we're like,
this is not my usual choice that I would go see,
But I think we do need to stretch ourselves right
and open our sales up. And actually, hmmm, I actually
(09:34):
think it's more important to do that now in these
days and times, don't you.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh? I couldn't agree more. And especially you know, people
now go to the movie just to be entertained, you know,
And I think there are people used to go to
movies to feel something and to witness a new point
of view, and that's what art was for and so,
you know, I think indie filmmakers are still, even though
it's hard, really still chan of championing that mentality and
(10:01):
trying to march forward even though so many things are
stacked against us. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, now you lived alongside them for three years. What
was the most challenging part of this emersion and what
was the most rewarding? Well, I guess the film is
the most rewarding.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, Just honestly, the connections I made are probably the
most rewarding. They change what my definition of like love is,
you know, like the loyalty we have for each other
is incredible. It's the best thing I've ever experienced in
my life, best human connections I've ever had. So Yeah,
I mean that was fully what I take out of it.
(10:41):
I feel so such a gift to walk away with
a film where you know, I'm able to look at
it and just be so proud of this cast and
this kind of storytelling. And also these women are incredibly
brave for putting themselves out there and telling a story
like this. I think the most difficult part was, you know,
there's horses, and they're not movie Hollywood horses. I'm dealing
(11:03):
with a bunch of sassy cowgirls who are all teenage girls,
you know, so sometimes wrangling them was very, very difficult.
But you know, you have they're so free and you know,
as a filmmaker, I'm like, I'm making a story about
how free and and you know, spirited they are. And
I can't I can't crush that. I can't hold on
(11:24):
too tight. So I kind of had to kind of lead.
They kind of had to lead me in certain ways
because sometimes, you know, they can't follow me the whole time.
Sometimes you know, I have to follow them. And that's
where you find the magic.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
There, you go, that's the magic. That's what we all want,
right we want that magic. We want it, we want
to find it, we want to create it, we want
to see it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
We live for it. We live for it, whether we
know or not. But magic is it's love, it's a connection,
it's laughter, it's all these things. And that's what we
you know, every human being wants that.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Every human being needs to kate, you know, especially now
we need feel more right, feel it, feel it. Yeah,
how has making East World changed you? Both as a
filmmaker and as a person, Because, like I said, I
don't just hear what you're saying. I am feeling every
word of what you're saying. You are carrying this, this
(12:18):
is they probably have become like extended family to you.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
They are the closest people in my life. I mean
I talk to them every single day. It's been five
and a half years since, like this project really started,
and yeah, they mean everything to me. Also, it's emotional
when you you know, I've met these girls when they
were nine or twelve or you know, they're all different ages.
But just to see them grow up and then turn
and I'm doing a press, you know, we're on a
(12:42):
red carpet, and I see them holding space and owning
that and watching them as just the beautiful women that
they've grown up to be is is really inspiring. So,
I mean, I feel like actually living in South Dakota
changed me completely as a human being. My perspective on
life and my relationships with people and like I said,
(13:06):
loyalty and all of that, and also my connection with land.
You know, just being basically in a prairie for all
those years change changed my connection with land. And yeah,
I just feel I feel constantly changed. I'm so blessed
to be changed. I'm someone who's like no interest in
(13:26):
knowing who I am as a person, like I think
that's like to know who you are is sometimes dangerous
because I constantly want to be changing and learning and growing.
So that's exactly what this process has done for me.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So yeah, absolutely, And it's good to not know everything
and plan everything to the tea so much so that
you know, you feel like you got to do everything
by the book. There's no surprises. I mean when that
lady told you about this family, that was a lot
of sub pride that was ahead of a surprise. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, and you didn't know what you were gonna get.
It could be like a story that you don't connect
with her people who you just don't connect with or
whatever that is. So yeah, it was the best surprise.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, And life is supposed to be like that. Unfortunately,
we got to have the good, the bad, and the
darm right ugly. But when we get those wonderful, magical moments,
and that's what you had even before the film. That
was a magical moment for someone to say that and
for them to choose you, and you know, because you
could have said this good story, you know and nice,
(14:35):
but you you seen it and you. It took you
out of your normal, like you said, and here you
are in a whole different place, South Dakota, living different,
and I guess even getting more grounded, right, because that's
real life and seeing a family like that. I just
want to share with everyone you are tuned in, if
you're just tuning in to us, this is Raven the
talk show Maven. Yeah, they call me that because I
(14:57):
talked a lot. Can you tell? Can you tell that?
Then you're listened to amazing women and men of power,
legings and Nicons yesterday, today, and tomorrow. This is Kate b. Crawl,
director of East the Wall, winner of the Sun Dance
Audience Aboard and coming to theaters tomorrow nationwide. Did I
say nationwide? Yes? I did nationwide tomorrow August fifteenth, Yes,
(15:21):
Sony Pictures Classic. Don't just hear about the film, Go
see it, Go feel it, go watch it, experience the magic.
That's a raw, powerful, an inspiring look at the New West.
They cowgirl shit right, you lived it. Mark your calendars
if if you listen today or tomorrow, it is August fifteenth,
(15:44):
if you're listening to it afterwards, because this will be
on there forever that's okay, watch it again and take
a friend both times. How cool is that? Kate? You know,
if it was the one thing that you could say
about this story, I know you can't give us a
lot because you wanted us to see it about the
resilience of the family and finding strict and unexpected places.
(16:08):
What would you say about it? And what do you
want the audience to walk away with?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I want the audience to walk away with a new
perspective and I want them to walk away with feeling
feeling empowered. Like to me, when I go to see
a movie, I just want to feel something and I
want to walk out feeling feeling changed. And you know,
I love when a filmmaker makes me feel like I
(16:33):
have a brain as an audience member, where I could,
you know, project what I want onto a film and whatnot.
So yeah, that's what I want to have the audience
walk away with. Is just really being able to feel
something and feel something that you know, maybe you don't
have a connection with these people, but no matter what
I promise you, you are going to feel something.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, I feel something just talking to your girlfriend, I'm
just saying, I'm just saying, you got me all excited listen.
It was a pleasure. I wish I had more time
with you, but I gotta go to band with the
broom and sweeping me off the stage, but this has
been truly a pleasure. Thank you so much, Kate.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Thank you so much, Raven, thanks for the support.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Okay, bye bye everybody.
Welcome to amazing women and men of power, legends and icons. Yesterday, today,
and tomorrow. I'm your host, Raven the talk show Maven.
And today we're rolling out the red carpet for an
acclaim filmmaker whose debut is already shaking up Hollywood. I
kid you not. Her name Kay Beecroft, and she is
the writer and director of East of Walls, a raw
(00:33):
and powerful portrait of the New West, told by a
woman who lived it, not stars who played it. Her
journey began when she met Tabitha Ziemaka of Fears Lakota Rancher,
who greeted her with want to see some real cowgirl shit.
That chance meeting became a three year emmersion into Tabitha's world,
(00:54):
capturing resilience, family, and grit like we've never seen on screen.
East of War has already won the Sun Dance Audience Award,
premiered at Rebecca, Bentonville and Nantucket, and it's earned Kate
the Adrian Shelley Excellence in Film Making Award. How about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(01:15):
all before it's nationwide theatrical release, which happens today August fifteenth.
We are so excited and it's by Sony Picture Classics.
So I don't have anything else to say. Let me
just say if you stand and sit down. If you
sitn't stand up because Kate is here. She's here.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, Okay, you're so fun, Raven. It's so great to
be here.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I feel good? I feel good. You know. It's everything's
so happening, happening so fast, and you know, so much
to go you want. I'm actually in South Dakota right now.
So yeah, it's been great. It's been fast, and I
feel like I haven't had a minute to let anything
sink in, which I think is sometimes good.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Did you pinch yourself yet? Wonder twice?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I know that Right now? For you, I'm like, is
this real?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Is this really real? Especially when you've been working on
something for so long?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah? Absolutely? Well, congratulations on Easter Walls. Oh my god,
incredible Runch Sundance Audience Award. Okay, as a little kid,
did you dream of this? Did you dream of this moment?
You know?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I mean, I'm I'm a total film nerd, so whenever
I and I love Sundance and so I'm always looking
at who wins the Audience Award. At Sundance Films because
those are always my favorite and to have gotten that,
oh yeah, that was a total dream of mine. And
it's still so bizarre and surreal to see that award
sitting in my living room.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So I know, I can just imagine, Okay, walk past
and then like, oh you just walk back, walk walk back. Yep,
we're just keeping it real, right, we deserved it. I
don't know with minds. Sometimes I used to sleep with
little wards. They were nothing like yours, and they still
meant lots.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Of I love that energy.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Take us back to the moment on the South Dakota
back roads when you met Tabitha and those girls for
the first time. What was going through your mind at
that time.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, So, you know, I was just driving around the
US and we took a wrong turn and basically I
met a woman and she said, hey, if you want
a really amazing story, had east of Wall and find
a woman named Tabitha. And so I did, and I
pulled up for this ranch with you know, they were
just the most badass teenage girls I've ever seen in
(03:48):
my life, Like heads half shaved, looked like warrior queens.
And I was like, I want to know everything about
these teenage girls, and so I ended up living there
for three years in order for me to know everything
about them and their way of life, for me to
(04:08):
write a script and create a movie that was authentically them.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Wow, I can't even imagine somebody coming up to you
and saying that. I mean, you know, that's no unreal
right there, Let's just stop the show right there. I mean,
how unbelievable is that?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Kate?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, and you do realize you were chosen, right, you know?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And I felt chosen and I felt like they chose
me in the same way that I chose them. These
women are so fierce and you know, and they've overcome
just such an immense devastation in their lives at such
young ages, and so for them to trust me, it
(04:49):
was such a gift when they didn't need to, you know.
And I'll always remember that. They really opened up their
their their hearts and their minds to me and this process,
and yeah, it's just been such a such a gift.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know what, Kate, I just heard your emotion and
your passion. This really has touched you, girl, it really.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, They've changed my life. They've changed my perspective on
what it is to be a woman, what it is
to be a human being in this world, you know,
just the fact that they don't let all the terrible
things that have happened to them just just drown them.
They find joy and they find they find freedom in it,
and I think for them to be able to tell
(05:34):
the narrative of their own story, because this is this
film is docufiction, So it's a hybrid. Yes, they're playing
the versions of themselves, and yes it's inspired by their lives,
but then there's you know, some fiction weave through, So
it's that kind of mix of a genre. But the
reason why I didn't want to make it a documentary
and I wanted to make it docufiction is because it
gives these young girls and Tabitha their own artistry and
(05:58):
their own voices. Where it was a doc you wouldn't
really feel that way. It would be just kind of
how I see them. But with this, they they're able
to have power.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
They're able to have power. Well that was really something
for you to be thinking like that, you know what
I'm saying, Cause not everybody thinks like that that you
wanted them to have more out of it as well
as you. That's pretty cool. Okay, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
They deserve it. I mean that's how I would want
to be treated if I was in their position.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
So yeah, that's awesome. Okay, So what was the deciding
factor that said for you, you know, once you met them,
I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this.
Was it one thing that stood out the most?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It was just their spirit and their fiercenss. Yeah, i
mean women know, teenage girls are raunchy, they're feral, they're gritty,
they're opinionated. They talked about you all these things. You know,
you just don't see that on film. And I want
girls just to be so authentically themselves and find power
(07:07):
in that. And so, honestly, was the second I looked
at those girls, I just thought, Okay, this is going
to work. This is going to be a movie that
I want to see. So it becomes a filmmaker. That's
all you can do. You can't think about the audience,
you can't think about any of that. You're just like,
what do I want to see? And no matter what
that is, as long as it's your taste and your
point of view, no one can take that away from you.
(07:30):
And no matter what you'll walk out with something that
is original.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And you got to stick by it and stand by it,
right really? Yeah, absolutely, Wow, the New West is such
a powerful idea that how do you define it? And
what do you hope bomb Kate the audience takes away
from your portrayal of it.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, well, you know, I think in Hollywood right now,
of course, there's this romanticized version of what the West
is right now and what cowboy culture is. And to me,
they're so modern. Like you meet these people and you're
just like, whoa, you are so tech savvy your music taste,
but you're watching like they're so so modern, but they're
(08:10):
living in this like you know, homesteading ranch, which is
just like prairie lands, and you would think, you know,
it still looks the same as it would have a
hundred years ago, you know. So to me, that's what
they represented, That's what they represented as being the New West.
And yeah, what I hope for the audience to feel
is just the power of women and the power of
(08:34):
women telling their own stories. And you're not going to
see a Western like this. So even the way I
put the camera, I wanted the audience to feel like
they're a part of this family. And it may not
be a life that you've ever seen before, or a
culture you've ever seen before, or a house you've ever
seen before, but that's okay, and that's bridging the gap
(08:55):
and we all need to come together, especially in Hollywood,
where there needs to be more representation of marginalized communities
and cultures and backgrounds and ethnicities everything like that. So yeah,
if you just want to dive in and maybe see
something that you haven't seen before in a way that
you probably haven't seen before, then I think this could
be your film.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And be open minded and soak it all in. Right, Yes, absolutely,
I get what you're saying though, because there's sometimes we're like,
this is not my usual choice that I would go see,
But I think we do need to stretch ourselves right
and open our sales up. And actually, hmmm, I actually
(09:34):
think it's more important to do that now in these
days and times, don't you.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh? I couldn't agree more. And especially you know, people
now go to the movie just to be entertained, you know,
And I think there are people used to go to
movies to feel something and to witness a new point
of view, and that's what art was for and so,
you know, I think indie filmmakers are still, even though
it's hard, really still chan of championing that mentality and
(10:01):
trying to march forward even though so many things are
stacked against us. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, now you lived alongside them for three years. What
was the most challenging part of this emersion and what
was the most rewarding? Well, I guess the film is
the most rewarding.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, Just honestly, the connections I made are probably the
most rewarding. They change what my definition of like love is,
you know, like the loyalty we have for each other
is incredible. It's the best thing I've ever experienced in
my life, best human connections I've ever had. So Yeah,
I mean that was fully what I take out of it.
(10:41):
I feel so such a gift to walk away with
a film where you know, I'm able to look at
it and just be so proud of this cast and
this kind of storytelling. And also these women are incredibly
brave for putting themselves out there and telling a story
like this. I think the most difficult part was, you know,
there's horses, and they're not movie Hollywood horses. I'm dealing
(11:03):
with a bunch of sassy cowgirls who are all teenage girls,
you know, so sometimes wrangling them was very, very difficult.
But you know, you have they're so free and you know,
as a filmmaker, I'm like, I'm making a story about
how free and and you know, spirited they are. And
I can't I can't crush that. I can't hold on
(11:24):
too tight. So I kind of had to kind of lead.
They kind of had to lead me in certain ways
because sometimes, you know, they can't follow me the whole time.
Sometimes you know, I have to follow them. And that's
where you find the magic.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
There, you go, that's the magic. That's what we all want,
right we want that magic. We want it, we want
to find it, we want to create it, we want
to see it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
We live for it. We live for it, whether we
know or not. But magic is it's love, it's a connection,
it's laughter, it's all these things. And that's what we
you know, every human being wants that.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Every human being needs to kate, you know, especially now
we need feel more right, feel it, feel it. Yeah,
how has making East World changed you? Both as a
filmmaker and as a person, Because, like I said, I
don't just hear what you're saying. I am feeling every
word of what you're saying. You are carrying this, this
(12:18):
is they probably have become like extended family to you.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
They are the closest people in my life. I mean
I talk to them every single day. It's been five
and a half years since, like this project really started,
and yeah, they mean everything to me. Also, it's emotional
when you you know, I've met these girls when they
were nine or twelve or you know, they're all different ages.
But just to see them grow up and then turn
and I'm doing a press, you know, we're on a
(12:42):
red carpet, and I see them holding space and owning
that and watching them as just the beautiful women that
they've grown up to be is is really inspiring. So,
I mean, I feel like actually living in South Dakota
changed me completely as a human being. My perspective on
life and my relationships with people and like I said,
(13:06):
loyalty and all of that, and also my connection with land.
You know, just being basically in a prairie for all
those years change changed my connection with land. And yeah,
I just feel I feel constantly changed. I'm so blessed
to be changed. I'm someone who's like no interest in
(13:26):
knowing who I am as a person, like I think
that's like to know who you are is sometimes dangerous
because I constantly want to be changing and learning and growing.
So that's exactly what this process has done for me.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So yeah, absolutely, And it's good to not know everything
and plan everything to the tea so much so that
you know, you feel like you got to do everything
by the book. There's no surprises. I mean when that
lady told you about this family, that was a lot
of sub pride that was ahead of a surprise. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, and you didn't know what you were gonna get.
It could be like a story that you don't connect
with her people who you just don't connect with or
whatever that is. So yeah, it was the best surprise.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, And life is supposed to be like that. Unfortunately,
we got to have the good, the bad, and the
darm right ugly. But when we get those wonderful, magical moments,
and that's what you had even before the film. That
was a magical moment for someone to say that and
for them to choose you, and you know, because you
could have said this good story, you know and nice,
(14:35):
but you you seen it and you. It took you
out of your normal, like you said, and here you
are in a whole different place, South Dakota, living different,
and I guess even getting more grounded, right, because that's
real life and seeing a family like that. I just
want to share with everyone you are tuned in, if
you're just tuning in to us, this is Raven the
talk show Maven. Yeah, they call me that because I
(14:57):
talked a lot. Can you tell? Can you tell that?
Then you're listened to amazing women and men of power,
legings and Nicons yesterday, today, and tomorrow. This is Kate b. Crawl,
director of East the Wall, winner of the Sun Dance
Audience Aboard and coming to theaters tomorrow nationwide. Did I
say nationwide? Yes? I did nationwide tomorrow August fifteenth, Yes,
(15:21):
Sony Pictures Classic. Don't just hear about the film, Go
see it, Go feel it, go watch it, experience the magic.
That's a raw, powerful, an inspiring look at the New West.
They cowgirl shit right, you lived it. Mark your calendars
if if you listen today or tomorrow, it is August fifteenth,
(15:44):
if you're listening to it afterwards, because this will be
on there forever that's okay, watch it again and take
a friend both times. How cool is that? Kate? You know,
if it was the one thing that you could say
about this story, I know you can't give us a
lot because you wanted us to see it about the
resilience of the family and finding strict and unexpected places.
(16:08):
What would you say about it? And what do you
want the audience to walk away with?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I want the audience to walk away with a new
perspective and I want them to walk away with feeling
feeling empowered. Like to me, when I go to see
a movie, I just want to feel something and I
want to walk out feeling feeling changed. And you know,
I love when a filmmaker makes me feel like I
(16:33):
have a brain as an audience member, where I could,
you know, project what I want onto a film and whatnot.
So yeah, that's what I want to have the audience
walk away with. Is just really being able to feel
something and feel something that you know, maybe you don't
have a connection with these people, but no matter what
I promise you, you are going to feel something.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, I feel something just talking to your girlfriend, I'm
just saying, I'm just saying, you got me all excited listen.
It was a pleasure. I wish I had more time
with you, but I gotta go to band with the
broom and sweeping me off the stage, but this has
been truly a pleasure. Thank you so much, Kate.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Thank you so much, Raven, thanks for the support.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Okay, bye bye everybody.
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