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October 15, 2025 19 mins
Host and American Family Farmer, Doug Stephan www.eastleighfarm.com shares why he created the American Family Farmer program before jumping into the news affecting family farmers, beginning with the federal government shut down creating disruption for farmers everywhere as the USDA service centers are closed, risk management and conservation programs are shut off, and farmers and their dependance on various resources have none, but the food keeps moving into our communities.

Moving on, October is co-op month, celebrating that which brings us together and helps our businesses. Circling back to the government, the President has considered sending $10 billion into the industry because of the tariff problem.

Lastly, Doug opines on the sizes of family-owned farms, and why so many family farmers have a primary job of working their farm even thought the primary income comes from jobs away from the farm. Financial sustainability isn’t there as much as it was for generations that came before us. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The American Family Farmer podcast, sponsored in part by Caldron,
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out at toploss dot com. I'm going to have some
thoughts about the size of farms in America later on
during the segment in which I share some of my
thoughts my experiences. But this portion of the program is

(00:20):
about the news that's affecting all of us in the
farming business. Federal government shutdown creating disruption for farmers everywhere.
USDA service centers are closed, risk management and conservation programs
are shut off. Farmers and their dependence on various resources
have none but the food keeps moving into our communities.

(00:46):
Farm loans programs, sign ups and things that are necessary
at all times of the year put farmers under a
real strain because of the volatility in the markets. Certainly,
now that we're going into the fall and winter season,
the weather extremes, but there's always weather to deal with.

(01:06):
Is Congress going to resolve the shutdown? Doesn't look like
it from the Republican's point of view. They seem to
have They're interested in themselves. They're not interested in you,
They're not interested in me. They're interested in their own
political gains, and that's the way the game is played
these days. It has nothing to do with your needs,
my needs, the public's needs. It's all about them and

(01:26):
their narcissistic psycho leadership and the crazy stuff that's going
on that is just it's anti productive and it, frankly,
is making a lot of people pretty angry. The National
Farmers Union, i noted, sent a letter to Congress demanding
that they reopen the government. A lot of the agricultural

(01:48):
organizations in the country sent in letters, and actually there
are a number of them that were party to this
NF you letter. The American Farm Bureau Federation another one.
The struggles that are being faced by this and nobody's
really doing anything about it. They'll give you a lip service,
but that's it disgusting, frankly, especially when you consider that

(02:12):
October is co op month, so this is the time
of year when we celebrate that which brings us together
and helps our businesses. Co Ops are a very important part.
I remember first learning about co ops when I was
a kid because the grain we got to grain grain
from a cooperative and I learned then and I think

(02:34):
I still as I look at the fact that this
is National co Op month. Cooperatives have helped us build
a better world, right There's a group called the National
Cooperative Business Association that has helped. I think a lot
of farmers do better in terms of loans, in terms
of resources, and I think that's why this is important,

(02:57):
and also maybe this it's important frankly because of the
situation that we find ourselves in with the shutdown, and
the question once again is what do we do? What
is a government shutdown? The functions of the federal government
don't all cease. Generally speaking, government funding is separated into

(03:22):
two categories. Mandatory spending entitlement spending, if you will, that's
established by law through Congress. Money for programs like Social Security,
crop insurance, veterans care, debt payments. They go on uninterrupted.
One of the most immediate impacts of the shutdown that

(03:43):
a reduction in USDA personnel. As I suggested, before the
offices are shut down, they're furloughed.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
One of the things that's most tragic about all of
this is that every government worker, even though not getting
a paycheck for the weeks that the government is shut down,
when the government reopens, everybody who works for the government
is still going to get paid even though they didn't
do anything. That's one of the more outrageous parts of
this and how this comes to be, how we as

(04:12):
citizens of America, how we put up with this stuff.
It's where the government's so big that we can't really
do anything to control it. And so the question has
come up this week will the government deliver for farmer assistance?
And so there are a few employees whose roles aren't

(04:32):
funded through budget appropriations, so their jobs continue. And then
there are key employees that are required to work, but
they're not going to get paid until our resolution is reached.
And so the USDA is trying to address this, but
because there's new leadership there, they don't really know. They

(04:55):
don't they don't you go back to previous shutdowns. I
was looking at the world agriculture supply and demand estimates,
the market reports, if you will. We were at the
end of the fiscal year, and so those numbers are
going to not get crunched for a while. I don't
know that that's life and death. I'm just looking at

(05:18):
some of the things that are affected by the shutdown.
The length of the shutdown is dependent on the lawmaker's
ability to reach a new budget resolution. Some have suggested
that it'd only be a three week extension, so the
same thing could happen again in three weeks. It's been
going on since Bill Clinton was president. There hasn't been

(05:40):
a budget that actually existed. Can you imagine that? Think
about it in your own business experience. Just think about
how badly we spend all this money, we pay all
these taxes, and we basically get screwed every time we
turn around by the people that we elect. Supposedly, although
there's a lot of question and how that gets done.

(06:02):
I know I'm opining here a little bit because it
so annoys me. There was a memo that I saw
drafted by the Office of Management and Budget. The administration
is using the shutdown to eliminate some jobs, some workers,
some departments because politically they want to eliminate the people
in states that they don't like. Again, is this the

(06:24):
way the government is supposed to operate? The House agg
Committee Chairman Glenn Thompson said in an office memo that
was posted on the door, Actually the sign on his
door blames the Democrats. So how does that fix the problem?

(06:45):
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(07:10):
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Speaker 1 (09:09):
All right, So here's something that came from the government
this week, and I thought perhaps we ought to think
about what the bailout for farmers might be, because the
President has considered sending ten billion dollars into the industry
because of the tariff problem. There was a story in

(09:31):
the Wall Street Journal I saw a few days ago.
Trump is mulling over the idea of using tariff revenue
to find much of the aid that farmers need. There
have been decreases in sales in products to places like China.
The trade wars have screwed a lot of things up.
So if you're a small farmer, family farmer, you're growing soybeans,

(09:52):
that's one thing, one area that's been greatly affected by
the situation with the China. So take the tariff money
couldn't come at a better time, But who knows who's
going to get it. I think Beth Rollins had more
faith in her distributing the money than her predecessor with
the Trump first administration, Sonny Perdue, who was a horror show.

(10:15):
But in the meantime, there's nothing firm here. Deliberations are ongoing,
nothing has been definitively settled. The White House hasn't responded
to her requests for comments from various news organizations, including
a lot of farm sources. Trump said that he was
trying to push the Chinese to buy more soybeans, but

(10:37):
that's not the only problem. There are plenty of other
problems that are affecting what's going on in our farming community,
and so what do we do? I thought it was interesting,
just for the shutdown, National Farmers' Union had their annual
legislative fly in a lot of people from around the country.

(10:59):
The delegates went in visited fourteen legislators that represented different states,
advocating for farmers and consumers and wondering outlined what happens
when there is a shutdown, and they didn't get a
lot of good answers, which is not usual.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I guess I have.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I did one of these fly ins once a number
of years ago. It was my first time doing one
the comments that I've seen from the fly in this year,
where as follow here's one example quote. I was struck
by how open and engaged legislators and the staffs are
with so much happening at the federal level. It meant
a lot to see how much they care about farmers

(11:43):
and want to understand our realities. So there's this ying
and this yang, the push and the pull, the up
and the down, the in and the out as to
what the heck to do with farming in America. I
don't think that Trump has a clue. He's a New
Yorker who loves Hamburger and that's about it. But Beth

(12:07):
Rollins kind of has a clue, so you know, and
they're dealing with some of the problems like the screwworm.
There are problems with cattle other things that are in
the water. There's a cattle fluke that's a problem right now.
We ought to talk about that. I think in the
next go around here, our next program, we should talk

(12:28):
more about that and what the status is of the screwworm. So,
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Speaker 1 (13:51):
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family farm is the root of American agriculture. A lot
of people ask me, what do you consider a family
farmer a small farm. The answer could be based on

(14:15):
I suppose the number of acres that you have, number
of animals that you have, And then there is the
whole idea of family owned to farms because they dominate
the makeup of American farms all across our country. So
if you go into the federal government website, the USDA

(14:35):
considers any place that has one thousand dollars of agricultural
product sales as a farm. So twenty five percent of
the farms with no sales in any year that I'm
looking at the stats here from the Census of Agriculture,
they reported last year twenty five percent of all farms.
Everybody who says they have a farm twenty five percent

(14:58):
didn't sell anything. Twenty percent have less than ten thousand
dollars in sales. Some of those people we talked to
here on this program for ideas. These farms are important
to the lay of the land, if you will, most
of them play an important community. Rule depends on where

(15:18):
you are, whether farming is a local pastime or whether
it's a local industry. But there are so many different
things now that are considered farms. My accountant said when
it first was trying to come up with stats that
if it was less than three hundred and fifty thousand
dollars of gross cash farm income, this is a long

(15:41):
time ago, we would be considered a small family farm.
And so since that time things have changed a great deal.
The primary job of farming usually now isn't the prime well,
I shouldn't say the primary job is farming with primary
income is off the farm, which is another real when

(16:02):
you think about it, it's a sickness. This country is
sick when it comes to farm income and people who
want to be farmers. But because the warning signs are
all over the place that we can't really make a
living here, what's going to happen livestock gains are pretty

(16:22):
cool this year anyway. Things are good in the beef
market and the dairy market, But those small farms that
were dairying and doing beef have gone away for the
most part, and they're being replaced by these huge agribusinesses,
these shoes farms, even if they are run by families.
Let's see, I'm looking at the distribution of farm's stats

(16:46):
that were published by the government, by the USDA small farms.
Let's see the number of small farms in America last
year one million, six hundred and twenty six, six hundred
and eight and of that group, two hundred nine thousand
are run by retired farmers, seven hundred forty one, nine

(17:08):
hundred and twenty two had off farm jobs, five hundred
seventy three thousand, four hundred eleven had sales less than
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars over the course of
the year, and one hundred one thousand, four hundred and
sixty three had sales up to three hundred and fifty

(17:28):
thousand dollars in a year. And I'm looking at let's see,
there were seventy five thousand farms that had gross financial
income of over a million dollars. The very large farms.
There were eighty nine hundred nineteen farms in America last
year that had five million dollars in income or more so,

(17:51):
let's see, that's zero point five percent of the farms
in that category. Four percent of the farms were considered
at large, six percent mid size, five percent moderate. Let's
see here thirty nine almost forty percent of the farms
had greater income off the farm than they did on

(18:14):
the farm. That's not a cool statistic, boys and girls,
it really isn't. Anyway I thought you'd be interested in having.
I certainly was in looking at these statistics from the
FEDS and understanding where the money is and where it
isn't ninety seven percent of American farms owned by families,
but yet only half a point that's zero point five

(18:38):
percent make enough money really to have it very become
very profitable. This program was produced at Bobksound and Recording.
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