Scary Because It's True: On The Exorcist, The Sacrament, Fire in the Sky & The Mothman Prophecies

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cold I did not have an injured cold. Through that
was very nice little tie in there, Andrew to call
it professional tease. Andrew, you're getting it, my friend. But anyway,
you've heard some of them already I don't do this alone.
I'm joined by all of my favorite co hosts this evening,
The Lady, the Gentleman, Catherine, Andrew Matthew.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Hello, everybody, good evening.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Indeed, well here we are talking hand off, no tapping
out drinks the table. What the fuck? Why are you
making Shano's job harder?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
God damn it?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Also yelling and yelling like I just did job harder too,
So I apologize. Oh yeah, my little my Jeffrey Dahmer,
my Amazon, my Amazon yellow. You could.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
They don't look like they're almost The color is like
slugyards glass, sluggard.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, yeah, so they don't like look like they reach
all the well, to be fair, they are twelve dollars Amazon.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
On nighttime Yellow.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Do they wear while you drive? They do? Which is
actually why I actually cause cancer because I'm approaching forty
years old and I have a tough time seeing with
head like are you gonna get No, I'm gonna be
thirty nine in a couple of short weeks and then
I'll be forty the year after that, unfortunately. But I
bought them kind of like as a joke.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
In December December, do you remember, yep, in December.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Uh yeah, what I kind of bought these is a
joky thing, and now I actually kind of enjoy wearing them.
I feel like a douche, but I'm committed to the
douche and put your boner in your so committed to
the nighttime yellow driving aviators. They're very hunter, very very hunt. Yeah.

(04:49):
Actually so that was yeah, that was that. And then
they also John Jeffrey Jeffrey dahmer ish they do help
with drive nighttime driving, though, I do kind of enjoy them.
So I don't know. I'm just gonna wear them now.
And you guys can all envision that while you're listening
to your scarf.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
I do need my.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
It's never been an askar. It's always been a scarf.
I'm with you. It's a scar Thank you, Matt, thank you.
I see you're also culture. I see you would. I mean, hey,
sometimes it completely rather I mean, it certainly doesn't make
you a holder, No, it doesn't. It doesn't know. It's

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a it's a stylistic choice, kind of like yellow aviator
night time sunglasses. These are cool, These are cooler. And
he just got a fresh haircut. I did get a
fresh haircut from my my good buddies over Plymouth Bay
barber Shop. They did a little something different with my
beard this time, so it's like a nice fade. It's
pretty cool. I like it. But anyway, Yeah, I think
we all had a long Sunday today. I had a

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bachelor party for one of my high school friends at
the Encore Boston Harbor. Lost on all my football bets.
Andrew played some yall, Matthew hung out watch some football.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
We went to my parents house. Yeah, it was nice
to be hung out back nice. Catherine spent the day
with our dear daughter.

Speaker 7 (06:06):
And potatoes yeah did look good.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (06:10):
We went to more Park, We took a walk. We
went to bram Halls. Lots of pumpkins, very spooky. They
like lots of gold and flowers.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
And ice cream and awesome tomato soup.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah. Nice shout out to Bramhles rocks. Uh. And also
I have to go back, Matthew, because you pointed out
to me that we made a big mistake not getting
an ice cream cookie sandwich. I wouldn't I quite enjoy
a nice ice cream cookie sandwich, So I would like
to get one and go back, So I will do.
They slam and report back.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
They just like cut the top off like a van
in Jerry's pint and just throw it between two homemade cookies.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Who's making the cookies? Okay, they make them there.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I'm sure they make them there. They do everything there.
Sal Brahmhall I went to high school. She graduated me.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
She's a friend of mine. She makes fantastic Yeah, shout
out to and her cookies.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Cool. Well, I have to give a little shout out
also to Andrew tonight for this topic that we're about
to get into. Uh wow, Yeah, it was a very
cool pick, which we'll get into in a little bit here.
I feel like we've definitely been uh been it. Just
like Fanning himself, I thought.

Speaker 9 (07:21):
It was very good.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I said to myself, I said, these fucking videos
they don't know ship.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well, I'll say that with the you know, recording, recording
not as frequently, I feel like we're definitely getting a
little bit more creative with our topics, which I think
is a good exercise. I like that it's it's uh,
it's made things, it's refreshed things. It gets futility. It
gets me wrapped up like a douche to put my
boner at some of these.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, thank you that yeah, blinded by the like.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
That's like different unique because Cat, well, I would be
fa just doing movies all the time, but someone on
this podcast really mad en. We just do the same thing.
We're not kind of doing another movie again. We I
get what cats say. I get it too, but here's
the thought. Then come up with a fucking idea.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I do gauntlet thrown, come up with ideas, good ideas.

Speaker 8 (08:12):
Questions and like hears you and like what you're hearing.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Quite not to be distracted, but you do have some
fucking rubies.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
The earrings.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is that why you put your hair hearings? Earrings? Search
for those in like a movie at something.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yes, he did, he searched for my cat.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
My cats.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I love that dead ladies cats bad.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Say that said, I.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Have to switch out my cat's bad back my talent.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Moving on, well, I will say, as Andrew was saying
that Kat doesn't like discussing one movie per week, tonight,
we're going to talk about four separate movies and uh
some stuff behind the scenes all. We'll get to that
in a little bit. I was going to say, you
stepped on my throat there a little bit because I
was going to say, before we get into tonight's topic,

(09:22):
of course, we have to talk about things that keeps
our interest. Would anybody like to start off with something
that has peaud their interest in the horror world? Yeah,
all right, Matthew. I watched Weapons, yes, which I got
to see that again whenever it comes to whatever it's

(09:42):
coming to and yeah, we'll watch it together because I
want to see it a second time. But Matthew, Weapons good.
Loved it.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I thought it was great, very fun, very well put
together storytelling. Zach Creigor is really coming new. He's I'm
excited for everything he's gonna do. The Resident Evil thing
kind of. I'm like, I don't know if I give
a ship about that. I'll have to wait and see.

(10:09):
And just because I never really gave a ship about
Resident Evil movies wise, But yeah, No.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Weapons was a lot of fun. That was That was fantastic.
I loved it.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
You know, you were kind of like favorite movie of
the year, Okay, like you like you know, I'm just.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Saying, no, you like you like bring her back better?

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yes, I see, that's that's my that's my my favorite
so far.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
Fantastic movie, right, Weapons. It was It was kind of
equivocally it was. It was just super original, super creative,
Amy Madigan just every It was just so much fun, fantastic.
It was so much fun. It was so enjoyable to watch.
It was an ensemble.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
It was a home run. And I can't look you
with this chain and the chain is.

Speaker 10 (11:01):
I.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I'm looking at you, and I'm like, I hate this.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I was like, are we It's just like Jersey Shore
right now with these No, he's got it.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'm sorry he got I think you should leave a
piece of ship.

Speaker 10 (11:17):
I am.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I said like push, yeah, sorry. I didn't mean to
distract anybody from weapons weapons.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I no, no, I did like this movie.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
You guys both gave me like kind of different answers
on how you each liked it.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
And Andrews like.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
I love it, You're gonna love it, and You're like,
I didn't really like.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
I wasn't stoked on it.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
I see now and I liked it.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
I didn't love it. That was like, I feel like
I've warmed up to it.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I say that.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
I'm like, okay, you didn't.

Speaker 9 (11:47):
Okay, so here we go.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Mat so better or worse than barbar Barbarian is better.
Barbarian's Okay, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I think I'm on I think I'm on that boat
as well.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
I think Barbarians was better.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
This is a better Maine movie. It was a better
made movie. It was a better, better Barbary horror movie.
Yes exactly.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
This was like less harror, more psychological thriller kind of. Yeah, yes, yeah,
I love that. Like Madigan was very much like fucking
Nicholas Gage's character.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Like bat shit, fucking crazeous. I'm yeah, no, I'm looking
forward to see what he has up his sleeve.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, it was fun, it was great. Peaked peaked your interesting.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, I have to say peaked.

Speaker 9 (12:37):
With peaked interest.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I am. I'm wondering if when I watch it a
second time, knowing what I know now, if I'm going
to enjoy it more the same way that I enjoyed
Barbarian much more the second the first fewings.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
So I didn't dislike the movie, but it just yeah,
it was my favorite. Well no, see, this is what
I think. Can you get caught up in all the
fucking hood spot and all the.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I couldn't see I avoided so much of it?

Speaker 9 (12:59):
What you said?

Speaker 4 (13:00):
One says the gracet movie ever made all this and
then he watched you the Grace movie. No one ever,
the only people that claim to be people claim things
all the time.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Doesn't make it the best movie are made.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
If you go into that movie just looking to see
a good movie, it's a great movie, yes, But if
you go in thinking it's going to be the best
horror movie of twenty twenty five, which is what everybody
fucking said, yeah, and it's not.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, I mean it was. It was a fun time
at the theater. I thought it was. I'm very happy
I saw in theaters. I it was a very entertaining movie.
I was paying attention the entire time. I really want to,
I really want to do a podcast on this movie
because there's so much to just delve dig, uncover, delve
dig and all right, So Matthew interest peaked on weapons.

(13:45):
I guess I'll go nexton We'll just go around. Uh
so what piqued my interest? I have been trying to
read a lot more books this year, and I am
I'm trying to do one a month, and I'm I
think I'm just slightly behind the pace. But I just
finished eighth one. I'm on nine, and the most recent
one that I read is a book called Incidents around

(14:06):
the House, which is written by Josh Mahlorman. You may
know the name. He wrote, bird Box, the book that
the movie was based on. I didn't really care for
the movie.

Speaker 9 (14:16):
Not I bet you is way better than the movie.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
So I've heard Sandra bullocky yeah, uh yeah, yeah, Ira Bullet, Yeah,
I saw the movie. I just remember her with the
blindfold on in the boat going down the river. It's
like this would never happened, and she had been in
anything since that. I don't even know exactly.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
She was good in that movie with the big what's
the one that wasn't her? That was the one with
Aaron Brockovich.

Speaker 9 (14:52):
Confused.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
It was just like big Old I confused them for
some reason. And they don't been looking.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
They don't look alike. No, maybe they just both suck.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
No, Aaron Rockfitch is a good movie.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
It's a good very I love those like rain Man
type movies like John Grisham, No, not ray like ray Man,
like Jake John Grisham movies like so like legal.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Like oh yeah, like le Legal, bird Lock like like
like law movies like bird Law.

Speaker 9 (15:24):
It's like has to do with like walk.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Against like you ruined our environment.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Fuck you you ruined my fucking drinking water.

Speaker 9 (15:30):
Fuck you.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, you owe me money?

Speaker 9 (15:33):
Pay me?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Fuck you fuck you pay me?

Speaker 9 (15:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Good Fellows Yeah Yeah, great movie. Awesome movie.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I've been saying that all the time lately. One of
my favorite fuck you pay me.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Uh So, anyway, Incidents around the House is a book
written by Josh Mahlerman.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Uh And this came out.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
In twenty twenty four, and I had heard a lot
of good things about it, and I was kind of
skeptical to check it out because of the premise. And basically,
it is a story about an eight year old girl
and her family that are haunted by this presence. And
the entire book, which is about three hundred and fifty pages,
is told from the perspective of this eight year old girl,

(16:09):
so it's written as like a child to describe the story.

Speaker 9 (16:13):
Yeah, So that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
It was a very good cop out to just like,
yeah it writing. So with that being so, it was
actually very well written, and the descriptions of what is
happening it's hard to describe.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Well, yeah, because that's actually gonna to be honest, that
must be harder because like, because you're trying to write
it as like an eight year old with the knowledge of.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Being a full grown, fucking adult man.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Right, So when you write it, you don't want to
come across like, I wouldn't say patronizing or anything. But
it's probably a lot harder than you think. Yeah, to
not sound like an absolute fucking donkey.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, look, there you go. That's a good way of
putting out. But basically it's so the way that it's written,
it's actually it's a clever it's a clever tactic because
the way that she describes things. It's almost kind of
like a lot some of it is like a run
on sentence that keeps going, but it almost creates panic
because of the way she's describing it and like things

(17:15):
it's it's it's interesting. So it's really cool the way
that it's done. And it might be one of the
more effective horror stories that I've read in a long time.
It was pretty fucking scary, and a lot of people
said it was one of the scariest things I've ever read.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I don't know if I'm.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Ready to go that far. What is it called, because
I'm gonna so called incidents around the house.

Speaker 9 (17:37):
It's a short story.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
It's about three hundred and fifty pages. It's a novel.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I almost confused cat for because you said like a child.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
You can borrow it if you want. Actually I have
come oh right. So basically the story is it's an
eight year old girl and it's about basically this entity
that lives in her closet that comes out trying to
be a friend. She calls it other mommy, and throughout
the book, the intentions of this thing are kind of revealed,

(18:08):
and it's very creepy, very weird, and it kind of
conique unique, very you're very unique. Uh. And it coincides
with her kind of witnessing a lot of problems between
her mother and father. So it's like she has this
thing that's living in her closet and that is trying
to tear apart her family while her mother and father

(18:30):
are also trying to destroy their family for various reasons
that I'll leave.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
But it's different than like there's no other like supernatural
story like that, or is this written differently? So is
that what's different about it? I because it sounds like
the way it sounds like a common story.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
It's a common story. It's like I would say, yeah,
I would say, like, the way that the type of
story that it is is not groundbreaking, but the way
that the story is told is like nothing I remember.
So it's like one new horror movie that's written through
the eyes of the dog. Yeah, oh yeah, interesting boy. Yeah,
but this I really, I really liked a lot. It

(19:08):
was definitely worth reading.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
And I did.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
See in this kind of bummed me out when I
saw this. So the rights to this movie were acquired
by Blumhouse. It is going to be produced produced by
Blumhouse and Jason wat It's going to be it's going
to be directed by Rob Rob Savage who directed Post

(19:32):
and Cobwebs.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Okay, So, and I would say I would.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Say that the type of those those two movies are
kind of a good barometer for what the type of
the story kind of goes into Netflix. I just recommended
that to uh Jon just hatched. Yeah, he was like,
I don't like spider movies. So the movie, Yes, the
movie directs by Rob Savage. Jessica Chastain is going to

(19:59):
play the mother. I guess, all right, and funny because
I already you talking about this story for some reason.
She was like, in my head, that's interesting. Yeah, but yeah,
so she's.

Speaker 9 (20:08):
Gonna be in Psycho Redhead. You were like, yeah, that
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
And the movie is changed the title of the movie.
The movie is gonna be called Other Mommy, not Incidents
around the house.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Andrew you to start getting into horror. Yeah, I will,
even if you just listen to the challenge. A challenge
like you don't have to read your books, just audio books.

Speaker 9 (20:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I don't know if or you can get a library card.
I will say, so this one, I I don't know
if that works my mission my mission this year, I
have actually read eight books. No, no, I have read them
in addition to audiobooks. That's a high five for.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
How many people have you read this? Quite a few,
actually quite a few.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
More than you know about. But I I almost got
this one as an audiobook. But I did hear that
the of your book was very tough to get through
because it it is read I don't know if it's
read by a child, but it is read by someone
that emulates a child's voice while doing the whole thing
for hours and hours.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
And hours like the horror book kind of Yeah, so anyway,
I want to kill myself.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
I really really like this a lot. Kids bop Yeah,
k I d z Z apparent it's only different.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, they sing like and you're like, I want to
stab all of these I would have weapons these children.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Well, anyway, just a closed loop. Incidents around the House
by Josh Maryler Mayler Men. It's a really it's a
relatively new book. Check it out. It's actually really good. Matthew,
I think you like.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
I just I just personally couldn't listen to a book
because I've insulted you guys so many times.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
The thing about horror books is there's no there's no censorship,
there's no off limits. You can actually like, it goes
in any direction as far hardcore as it can go. Yeah,
and there's no rule.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Oh, I was gonna say too. So you were asked like, what,
what the how I could describe the story? I said,
this isn't like the outside on the inside book jacket.
I didn't personally get this vibe. But somebody described it
as hereditary meets skinn am rink, So I think that's
I don't think that's a very accurate description.

Speaker 9 (22:21):
But it is like Yeah, So anyway, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Incidents around the House by Josh Maylerman, Well, my interest
was peaked Andrew what peaked y'all this week for this episode.
So I watched a movie. I did a thing.

Speaker 9 (22:37):
Well, god, I didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I watched Dangerous Animals, and I will say.

Speaker 9 (22:47):
I was kind of disappointed by it.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
I was very thrilled by the idea of this movie,
like a serial killer that uses shocks to kill people. Shocks,
shocks like great shots, yeah, like Josh.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
Like, so it's like a guy that owns a he
owns a boat in uh, Australia, and he fucking he
he brings people out of his boat and then he
kills him and heed them to the shots shoes.

Speaker 11 (23:15):
Yeah, basically from I am from what the fuck? I
thought they were tuna, but it was.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Baby It's a baby wheel, No, it was it was
Dangerous Animals. Was actually a very cool concept for a
movie that I was very excited about watching, and it
kind of disappointed me because it had so much potential.
But it was way too fucking just clean, pristine, not
my thing.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Was it just one dangerous animal.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Or multiple types of a Well, the dangerous animal was
the serial killer, but you didn't like the it was
too meat production value. The production value was that kind
of movie you feel like you were watching like it
was like a Blumhouse movie.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, bummer.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
It needs to be greeny, it need to be gritty,
because there was a lot of good parts, like the
first like if, like the like the cold open for.

Speaker 9 (24:11):
This movie is phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
It's just that you watch and go oh fuck, like
it's really good like it had. This movie had a
lot of potential. It was just it missed. And I
don't know what level it missed on, but it like it.
People didn't do it for you.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
It just didn't do it.

Speaker 9 (24:28):
And it's disappointing because I thought this movie is gonna
be so good and.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
I still would give it like a A B minus
C plus like it was there. It was very close.
I would highly recommend watching it because it's a very
unique type of movie. But I think if they had
went more like Henry portion of a serial killer vibe
with it, then we would have been now.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
We were now I see exactly what you're saying. That
level would have been way cooler. All right, fair enough,
that's on shutter right now right.

Speaker 9 (24:58):
Correct or a MC yeah shut yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
It's like yeah, the same thing. Okay. Dangerous Animals has
Andrew peaked dude. Okay, yeah, that's definitely on my list.
I wanted to check that one out, so good call there,
baby Sha Catherine. Yeah, what peaked your interest?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I just remembered I throught and that came to me
and I remember.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
It was a Baraton mansion.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
No, uh, that Scary Movie six said it's gonna be released.

Speaker 8 (25:28):
Yeah, because we were watching Scary Movie three the other
night and then I goes, oh, there's Scary Movie six
is coming out in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I was like, really, I love them. I love I
think that's.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
They're bringing back a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, that's
they're trying to get Shanna, Shannon and Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
That'd be amazing.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
It would be amazing, still hot.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Certainly before there was no She's like fifty something probably yeah,
But before there was Sydney Sweeney, there was Shannon Elizabeth.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Apparently some movie was any Swinging and Fucking an Armiss,
and I'm like, what is this movie there? I haven't
heard about because that sounds like.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
It's a wait I I I saw barstool posted an
article about it wasn't It wasn't an armist. It was
Cidney Sweeney and it made a safe read. Okay, So
that's there's there's two of those movies that rocks Armis.
There's a rumor that it's Sydney Swingey and the Armis
and there it's a lesbian.

Speaker 9 (26:28):
Wow, I didn't hear about.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well, I'm sure that is most certainly peaked. Yeah, so yeah,
because I sent you, I sent you with a screenshot
of the fact Marlon Wayans I think or John Wayne
is Tron Wayne's Marlon Wayans.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
That was.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay, So they're both they're both gonna be Is it
gonna be rided?

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Are?

Speaker 1 (26:54):
I hope? So it is okay. We we rewatched a
randomly scary movie three the other night, and that one's okay.
It's it's okay, it's we did a podcast we didn't
necessarily did. It's funny. I feel like it could have
been funny if it was. One and two are just
so so funny.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
They're hilarious a podcast on scary movie three.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
So see, now I understand why we don't pick just
movies anymore.

Speaker 9 (27:20):
It's not because what a terrible pick that is.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's a movie that's a compilation of other movies as
a but why Scary Movie three, because that's my favorite one.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
You really like that one?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
One and two, one or two or even the first
just three. I don't like seasons.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
We're not talking about what's what's fucking stop? The Scary
Movie three is Scary Movie three.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
None of those movies are actually good, but one two
are pretty signs. Oh you mean? Like, what do you
mean the one with Charlie Sheen is you're talking about,
Oh my god, yes.

Speaker 8 (28:00):
And Jaw rules in it and Macy gray Man and
I forget may.

Speaker 12 (28:07):
Say good bye, remember how we I'm just all about
not having the lyrics right today something like that.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I was like that, that's what it sounds like.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
She says, no, Bob balls my knel on, not yere.
Maybe she's a child.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
So yeah, Scary Movie six, I think is coming out
next summer.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Here's a movie and what the host won't watch?

Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's oh, come on, you watch scary movies. Watch.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
I wouldn't watch. I've seen like one and two. I
bet watched four and five, So actually watched six.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
You know who the director is, it's Michael Titties.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Maybe maybe I guess I will watch it. I did see.
This was the thing that I I thought was interesting.
So Marlon Wayne's name seven horror movies that are going
to be spoofed in Scary Movie six, Nope, I know
what you did last summer, Scream, Heretic, Long Legs, get Out,

(29:14):
Nope in Sinners.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
So this is interesting stuff.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
I wonder why. I'm curious as to why certain movies
are this.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
That's a weird list. It is a weird list fits
a certain.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
And it's like one was I know what you did
last summer and Scream?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, what like Scream seven? Is that what we're doing?
I mean, maybe he's spoofing the I Actually it's a
good point. Probably he's probably I.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Mean the other ones that Nope, get Out, Sinners, those
all make sense.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, yes, of course, because you're not saying what you
actually mean is that I'm saying that's hereditary. Jordan Peel
is since the last Scary Movie has come out, obviously
has made some awesome banger heart movies. And he happens
to be a black man that directed these films in
mar Alan Ways and Sean Ways are also black, And
who better to comment on these sorts of things than
black actors?

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah? Also, I watched Heretic with Jeff. Movie to watch
with Jeff. I was gonna say, yeah, that must have
been a fun time. He's very religious.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, just went this is a fucking weird movie, but
I can't stop watching it.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I'm like, yeah, just shut up.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Hypnotic. Uh, real quick, before we delve into the actual
topic of this evening, you guys want to give some
quick thoughts on Barret's mansion since we did have the
opportunity to attend on opening night.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yes, okay, Cat has to say she's very amped to
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
You've been bringing up the whole time.

Speaker 12 (30:38):
Talk about the whole time, the whole time, Matthew, I
guess i'll start off.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I'll just say that, you know, it was awesome to
be able to go on opening night.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
We like to go early in the season as the
crowds aren't necessarily as large as they are as you
get closer to Halloween itself. But everybody at Barton Barrett
Haunted Mansion hit hits it out of the park no
matter when you go, and it was great. It's great
to see them back open thirty fourth season. Uh. Pretty cool.

(31:11):
The house was really good as always, and they re
themed the outdoor Attraction this year. Wow. That wasn't even
a lie when they started. No, wow, Wow, that's insane.
I mean I was six, true twinkle in someone's eye

(31:31):
just thirty one now, wow young And but the Outdoor
Attraction has a basically, if you're a fan of John
Carpenter's the Thing, as I am, and I think most
people are, you're gonna really notice a lot of stuff
in the Outdoor Attraction that's very much an homage to
the Thing. And it's pretty cool to be able to go.
What'd you guys think?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I liked it? Yeah, a lot, two thumbs way up,
way up.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah that review that's perfect.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, I'll post thirty four fantastic, loved it.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
The fucking giant what was it? The snow the snow cat,
the snow cat screaming in your face like every time
you walk.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Don't give it away because it's the beginning.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Of the season, all right, So cool? Then what am
I supposed to I can't like disclose anything. No, I
mean you.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Can't, but I mean different people, right, who's listening? People?
Tell Mike, Mike, Mike says, we have followers.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
You just said I can't say anything.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Should I don't think Andrew was saying anything out of turn,
and now you're both just arguing about who listens and
what he said and what can't be said.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
That's what it always turns in, Sorry followers.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yes, I was just saying, and I like the vehicle
that honked in your face, lights flashed and scared me.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
It was very loud, it came out of nowhere. It
was a very frightening experience.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
I don't think anyone's experience that Barrasona mansion is going
to be ruined by knowing that because.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
It has a note froom, you know how like the
people get squeezed in the thing you get to walk through.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Now, see that's something that people might want to know about,
but you're obviously going to go through anyway. The inflatable
bag section, which.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Like the general haunted house, I thought was me personally.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
I liked it. I thought it was better than the
what do we go to in the springtime? That was
fran Kingdom when they had the dark room. Yeah, that
was fed up that we kept going out of emergency
exits because we just didn't and they were like.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
You can't go this way. I'm like I can't see anything,
Like I'm just pushing, like what do you want me
to do? Help me?

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Touch me and start my bad dude, like I can't see. Yeah,
I'm sorry. Maybe you shouldn't get in my fucking face like.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I hate that, but no, no, no, I don't.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
So this wasn't Barrett Just to be clear, no, not Barrett's,
but like, don't get in my way and then be
like you can't push me.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
It was an eggticgg what I see anything?

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Uh yeah, Barrett's is great as always killed to check
them out.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
They've always been really good to A little disappointing was
the fact that they didn't have the outdoor patio set
up yet.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Oh yeah, the fuck too early, bro, I mean you
should know it's open usually I would say usually opening
weekend they have decorated. So that was that was definitely
a bummer. But just give us an incentive to go
back later in the season drink on the Alehouse patio. Catherine,
to believe you were trying to say something, I.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Was just gonna say more about that. I know. Sorry,
my boy, super crazy.

Speaker 8 (34:32):
That I like the outdoor attraction and how they keep
building it up because at one point, like it was
actually like what I was saying you guys for I like,
I remember it used to be just like a fence
maze and you could like see people and it was
just kind of like, Okay, this is weird, like what
are they going to do with this? And then now
they have it like actual walls, like some places actually
have those.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Oh my god.

Speaker 8 (34:52):
It was like a big chainling fence maze and you
like see these like zombies.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Years years ago when it first years ago. Yeah, it's
definitely just like twenty years ag go. No, no that that
the outdoor traction only got added maybe like I don't
know six or seven years ago, not only like since
twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Because they used to have Mount Blood in a mini
golf blued. Yeah, it was. It was all red.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
I probably said this before, but I think I probably have.
But me and Sarah is one of our first dates
was that we went to Baritona and she fucking hated
really she was like humoring me to like go to it.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
She's like this is like not like what I like.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
That's funny, and I just brought her anyway.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
And then we went to speed Well and watched the
Red Sox lose the Clevelands like the way off.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
And do you want to watch.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, I love horror movies in baseball, like, you know, yeah,
She's like absolutely not. I was like, we're going to
do both of those, and you know what, dude, apparently
she fucking loves me.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
So they weren't the Indians at that point. They were
the Guardians.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
So that must have been like in the last it
was twenty eighteen.

Speaker 9 (36:00):
The Indians.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, they will always, but they lost to them in
the playoffs, and we watched them lose with my buddy
Keith Piasco, who I met that night and then he
became one of my great friends and ordained our wedding.
Tell you what about that fantastic story.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
It is a good story.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 1 (37:36):
One more shout out for Andrew for picking up this
topic tonight. A good little topic that I am calling.
It's scary because it's true. Ah.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I like that, it's very right to the point. Yeahs
scary because it's true. So basically, what what we were
tasked with for this episode was to look at horror
movies that were inspired by true stories, talk about the
movies themselves, and also talk about the true stories that
inspired the films inspired and talk about the difference between them,

(38:08):
et cetera, et cetera. And I think the four of
us have picked quite the eclectic little group of movies here.
We have a possession movie, we have a cryptid movie,
we have an alien abduction movie, and we have a
movie based on, you know, a very horrible tragedy that's

(38:29):
happened many years ago. When the movie was made.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
We were talking about the other night and I we
unintentionally did this, and I was like, well, we fucking
nailed this. We all picked like such different different styles
of true story movies that it made it so much better.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yea, I think I think it also speaks to our
tastes as well and our talents. Yeah, it tastes and talents, yes,
tasty talents. I should say, my talent is where's Yeah?
Well so, actually, so before we get into the movies

(39:04):
that we picked and to start discussing them and all that, obviously, right,
take all these with a grain assault because anytime a
movie says that it's based on a true story, or
quote based on true events, or quote inspired by true events,
that can certainly be used loosely and mean a number
of different things. Inspired xPy, thanks Bond, because I mean, like, technically,

(39:32):
if you want to get technical, Wes Craven's A Nightmare
on Elm Street was inspired by true events. Yeah, it
is a cool story. But is it like the shadow People? Think? No, So,
if I remember correctly, it was a wave a wave
of children in Thailand or somewhere in Asia where children
were dying those after sleeping dreams. That's that's shadow people. Yeah,

(39:56):
it's probably something like that.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
That's where shadow People originate from, is from.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah, that's where the whole story comes into play like that,
Like like Mary Elship is inspired by shadow people.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Okay, you're yelling at well, I don't know why people
didn't know that. Stop yelling at me. Have you ever
seen The Shadow the documentary?

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Yeah, documentary and then the weird like from like because
that's based off of like a nineteen sixty seventies like
radio show.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
So I'm thinking of the dog. I think it's called
the Nightmare and it was directed by the same guy
that were directed Room to thirty seven documentary Sleeps Team.
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Shadow so scary.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, so that's that's a good one.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
But there was also like an incident in like the
sixties seventies at a college where a bunch of people
were having this happened to them.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Ye, sleep rousis I think that's okay. Yeah, So something
something of that, of that persuasion happened to a bunch
of people, and that's what inspired Wes Craven to write
and direct to Nightmare and Elm Street. Also, uh like
the Texas Chainsaw masacre was loosely inspired by the crimes
of ed Gean, but there was in fact no chainsaw
related massacre in Texas. Obviously, ed Gan also inspired Psycho.

(41:09):
Obviously you can see the influence there. Shout out to
the new Edgean series that's coming in. It's pretty goddamn
good with Charlie Huntum as ed Gean looks really creepy.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Gan probably were GSEs.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Gan probably did wear these glasses. Jeffrey Jeffrey Dahmer did
wear these glasses. We all have a lot of fun
things can't confirm. Jaws also partly inspired by true events
the nineteen sixty four Basically, I saw Peter Benchley in
nineteen sixty four read a story about a fisherman off
with Montalk, New York that caught it nearly five thousand
pound great white shark, which inspired him to write the

(41:43):
novel Jaws Eaten Anybody. No, And there are there are
some conflicting reports out there that the Jersey Shore shark
attacks of nineteen sixteen also inspired Jaws, which I could
see that was, you know, a resort beach town that
was basically plagued by shark attacks. But anyway, so yeah,
when something says it's based on a true story or

(42:03):
based on true events, are inspired by true events, doesn't
necessarily mean if the story is beat for beat, I
missed it?

Speaker 3 (42:08):
What what what are we I'm laughing because I'm thinking
of Jersey Shore or the TV show and like they're
just kidding, getting like.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, so I would say, you know, some other some
other movies in a similar vein to what we were
thinking about for this that we did not ultimately choose
for our movies, The Conjuring, those are inspired by the stories.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Of I feel like Fired inspired inspired cant.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I actually rewatch The Conjuring the other night. It's still
pretty good. The Amityville Horror obviously based on true events,
whether they're whether they actually happened or Emily Rose something.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Sure, fantastic them so fantasmic. I was gonna say, andrew.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Elvery time I say phantasm in relation to anything, it's
I'm making ship up.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Hell, well, Andrew did almost pick Dead Ringers by crona
Bird's just actually based off of a truth.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
That's I kind of wish you did that because I
was really really it's a weird. It's a very weird story.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
I didn't want to pay to read the article from
the New Yorker because worker and I didn't want.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
But like a woman, No, there's like a main article,
like a woman that experienced like with the two doctors,
man were involved, like they that whole part of the
Like what are their names? Fucking it's weird. No, it's
like Eliot something, but like they actually were.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Like Eliot.

Speaker 9 (43:49):
It's like an.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Aiden or something like that. But yeah, they existed, they
were Like that was based off of a true story.
It's a very interesting story.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I have no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Scream Scream.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Scream Scream was based on some murders that happened in Florida.
That's a that's one based on true stuff. The Stepfather,
which is a movie that Andrew picked if we did
a whole episode on, was based on a real guy apparently,
which is terrifying. Also, another Wes Craven movie that I
saw pop up quite a bit was The Serpent in
the Rainbow. Yeah, it's a really cool movie. They had

(44:23):
they had issues with their crew. Yeah, that was a
curse production too.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
So anyway, those are some of the movies that we
did not ultimately choose, but time for the movies that
we did in fact choose. As football happened in the background,
would anybody like to talk about their movie? First? Volunteer
to go first? Cat was so alright, one too, one shoot.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Three?

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, all right, Cat gets to go first? And Cat,
your choice is?

Speaker 4 (45:05):
I thought rock beat everything, No paper beans, it's I
thought rock beat, rock beats everything. Oh what, oh what
is that rock rivers, rock rock perces. Oh it's it's
a cramer and uh yeah, I fell Yes, I thought
rock beer.

Speaker 9 (45:22):
They're just doing rock papers is rock rock rock? They
just keep throwing rock.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
I thought rock everything.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
So I picked sacramenty West, Sacrament Sacrament.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, it's called the Sacrament. It's okay, Yes, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yes, yes, And it's based on.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
It's not funny, it's horrible. Yeah, we should probably get
this one out of the way first. It's a good
choice because this is the heaviest of all of this is.

Speaker 8 (45:52):
Heavy, dark, it's based on the Jonestown murders of nineteen
seventy eight. So over nine hundred people died and they're
drinking the late it's Jimmy John and his it's.

Speaker 9 (46:02):
Not John, it's Jim Jones.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Jim Jones. Well, John, you keep saying this, and John
like the fact that you didn't even know about this.
I knew about it.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
So anyways, we I actually we were talking. We were
talking about our picks, Andrew suggested me to watch the documentary.
So I did, and it was awesome. It was great.

Speaker 9 (46:24):
I actually, like, I suggested you do some research about
the topic.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I did. I did it.

Speaker 8 (46:30):
I did homework, and I'm like even debating if I
liked the documentary better than the actual movie.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Like I think it was fair.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Documentaries are fantastic When they're good, they're fucking awesome.

Speaker 8 (46:43):
Because, like, especially in this movie, like it kind of
starts out, like almost towards the end of the documentary,
this like starts and it's just this little bit is
the whole movie.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah, what was the name of the documentary again that
you It's on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Temple Life something, I'll find it.

Speaker 9 (47:00):
But it's a PBS documentary.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, so you can watch.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
There's muppets in it.

Speaker 8 (47:08):
I wish the life and Death of People's Temple Jim
Jones was just same eagle Jim John.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, Jim Jones.

Speaker 9 (47:17):
I will go Jim John.

Speaker 8 (47:19):
He never was Jim John, Jimmy John, Johnny, Jimmy, Jimmy
jonestown mask. In nineteen seventy eight, We're over nine hundred people.
People's Temple died in mass murder suicide.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
In Guyana.

Speaker 8 (47:35):
Led by Jim Jones, and then the film Compound it
was like a they called the main guy Jimmy Jones
from Father the whole time.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yes, yes, so I will say in case because I
think this is definitely a movie that flies a little
bit under the radar, which is why I was so
happy that Kat picked it. I know, well, I love
this movie, and I so when we've we've talked about
like twenty thirteen movies on the show in the past,
and we do like the other movies that came out
that year, this is one that I feel like I've

(48:05):
always highlighted because I really like it a lot. But
if you have not heard of this movie, The Sacrament
is a twenty thirteen found footager filmritten directed by Ty West. Matt,
I know you're a big Ti West guy. I personally
think this is this is my favorite of his films,
I will say. And it basically follows as Kat indicated
vice journalists who document their coworkers, attempt to locate his

(48:26):
sister after she joins a reclusive religious religious commune, and
the plot is inspired inspired by the real life events
of the Jonestown Master of nineteen seventy.

Speaker 8 (48:35):
But the difference was, like the twist here was this
was like an actual congressman and his team that were
going to visit the islands.

Speaker 9 (48:42):
Well his daughter.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
He was trying to like, yes, to get get them
out because he felt she was in trouble.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Right, yeah, insane.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
It's the same ideas you' same story, right Yeah.

Speaker 8 (48:53):
Well that and I mean, like the documentary went further
into like how he recruited all these people back like
traveling around and like they were promoting peace and equality
and no violence and no racism and like this perfect
world and get away.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
From You can see why people would be attracted to
this absolutely type of life. Yeah, And it's a communal living,
communal living, right, that's what it is. And you're responsible
for your own.

Speaker 8 (49:17):
Life and you're helping everybody in respect responsible to your
own life.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Everyone's responsible, and you can just be who you want
to be. It's a fantastic concept you want to be.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Unfortunately, the only people that forced that concept that people
are psychopaths.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
So yeah, right, and like they went into the background
of him as a child and like you know, like
turing animals and yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Stuff. So basically the documentary kind of not only goes
through the massacre that happened at Jonestown, but also shows
how Jim Jones came to be the preacher that that
that founded Jonestown obviously, right, so that it gives a
little bit more backstory in the movie certainly picks up
where this cult and the like their version of Jonestown has,
which is I believe Eden Parish has already been established

(50:06):
and they're going there into this commune to kind of
see what it's all about. Yeah, obviously a very heavy
and very depressing story about what actually happened at Jonestown.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
So weird timetable for fucking humanity seventies eighties, you had
that and then the night is you had Heaven's Gate,
and you heard that other one like Wild's king the
Wild Kingdom, like everyone was just pushing and needed. They
just wanted like something that they could hold on to
and call their own that was religion based, like it

(50:38):
was all based on religion, but it was just like
they just thought that they could just have. And it's
it's such a sad fucking thought that, like these people
that went and they just wanted, they just wanted.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Something, and this is what they got. You got death,
you got death.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
An so yes, so there are people just so they
people that had nothing that he prayed upon because they
wanted something. It's sad in that aspect, like they were
just trying to be better people and they did everything
they couldn't.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
This is what they got.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
This get killed.

Speaker 8 (51:15):
And then he manipulates and brainwashes these people into thinking
that like someday you're gonna have to kill yourself and
it's gonna be today's day.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Like everyone drink the kool aid. The kids already got
their shots. They're picking up on it.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
You finally know what it means. Yeah, drink the coolier.

Speaker 9 (51:30):
You had no idea what that meant. I thought that
was wild.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I'm sorry, but the kid thing was this it's horrifying.

Speaker 9 (51:38):
Absolutely, they didn't.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
They didn't.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
It was everybody.

Speaker 8 (51:42):
Yeah, and then like the survivors of that, I think
there was like maybe a hundred, but they don't have
an accurate an accurate list because I don't know who
was actually like there, but they.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Know how many people died.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Like you saw like the actual footage of like the
CEA insane.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Oh, it's it's it's horrendous, it's insane.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, and I believe you said this cap. But it
was over nine hundred people that ultimately participated in the
mass suicide, and over three hundred of them were children
that were either force fit this kool aid or had
it sprayed into their mouth.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Like the fact that they went around when they were
like all right, everyone's fucking encroaching upon us, so fucking
like that part about.

Speaker 9 (52:28):
It is just so fucked up.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Now, what was the purpose of the mass They were
going to God?

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I think they were about to be invaded. They were
about to basically have the American government I think was
going to come interfere in their.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Lifestyle, which is why he ordered them to Yeah, but
the main reason was to find God. Yeah, that's what
he said told them, Like, yeah, we're going through God now, like,
we can't live on this earth. They're encroaching upon us.
They're going to come here and ruin everything. He was like,
just kill yourself, and everyone was like, but's fucking do it? Yeah, insane, No.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
What I took from. So, I haven't seen the documentary yet.
I have seen the Jonestown Paradise Lost documentary which is
on Netflix, also very good. But obviously I've seen The
Sacrament quite a few times, and I'm familiar with the
Jonestown story. Is that religion can be scary in the
hands of the wrong people. And also if you think
about over time, the amount of atrocities that have been

(53:26):
committed in the name of God, the name of religion,
it's kind of really it's all fup. It's solid everything.
Oh I'm not I'm not saying one particular.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Is in general heal heal.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah. So anyway, I guess it's it's funny when you
think about like the tragedy behind this movie and you
think about somebody making the movie inspired by the events
as a form of entertainment. I feel like that's a
bigger conversation for a different time, because.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
That's kind of a I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
It's a weird thing, right, But what did you guys
think of the movie self? What do you think of
the Sacrament?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
It was big not big Fish Guy, No big Fish guy.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
We were watching it the other night Country, So basically
the guy is Texas, the guy from No Country for
Old Men who plays Father, the Jim Jones character. When
we were watching the movie the other night, we were
calling him Sam's Club, Albert Finney, Albert Finnie, who is
the Ewan McGregor's dad in Big Fish.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
That's where a bunch of stuff that's like, I don't
know what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Have you ever seen the Sacrament?

Speaker 9 (54:31):
Have you ever seen No Country for Old Men?

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Once, like a long time ago, you've seen No Country
for Old Men? The guy that's like this coin, the coin,
don't put the coin FLI.

Speaker 9 (54:39):
The guy that the counter that is Jim.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, that's that's father in this movie.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Wild Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
But I think this is a very effective, very good movie,
and it is horrific in a lot of different ways.
One thing that I realized watching it for a second time,
that we were talking about this when we were watching
it right after. I don't necessarily know that the found
footage style works for the sod.

Speaker 8 (55:04):
But you know what, I like it because I don't
like found footage movies, but I like this one because
there's only like pieces of it.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah, and I know, Matt, you're not the biggest found
footage guy either, But the fact that this is supposed
to be two cameras the whole time, it's not. It's
it feels like way more can It's definitely not if
they take liberties. Yeah, but it is cool that it's
framed around like a real life news organization.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
But they should just be like there's a news team
here or something, because they play it out like it's
not and you're like, well, this person's dying.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
Who's filming this?

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:38):
The guy that's in the helicopter right now, Like that
doesn't make any sense, Like yes, all over the place.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, Well you.

Speaker 9 (55:46):
Haven't seen the documentary, Jesus, I just don't. Just here's something.
Just don't watch it. Then here's an idea.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
You know what it's about.

Speaker 9 (55:55):
Just don't.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
It's a fucking horrible story. Yeah, yeah, you want to
have your dight ruin, Yeah, sure, watch it. But if
you've only seen this movie, well you have no idea
about the James sound. That's the most I know I
know about. Yeah, the documentary is. But I'll watch the documentary.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I'll bring up I'll bring up something that Matt says
off the time. I think it's important to kind of
look at these types of things.

Speaker 9 (56:16):
Yeah, I mean it's good to to ensure that.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
They don't happen in the future. I mean, not that
any of us have a direct impact on making sure
that mass does don't happen.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
But this hasn't happened since then. Yeah, there hasn't been
one since Heaven's gateing. Heaven's Gate's also really fucked up
that you know what's really creepy. I'll listen to a
podcast a couple of months back. So the Heaven's Gate.
Heaven's Gate cult was another cult that committed a mass suicide.
I don't have the number of people that died.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
It was in the nineties and it was you if
you saw the picture of the guy that led the cult.
I don't know his name.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
He's very creepy, and you would know his name's fucking
wild too. It's not even like a real name.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
I mean, he has a different name, but his real
his name from the cult is just wide eyed, fu face,
it's if you know any about that thing.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Uh, Marshall's Gate, Marshall Applewaite, yeah, Apple White, excuse me,
that's the guy.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
They all just like there's pictures like in the documentary
of just people in beds with like a whole community
of people to just committed suicide, drank some fucking or inject.

Speaker 9 (57:22):
Did they inject themselves?

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Is that what they did?

Speaker 1 (57:24):
They might have or they might have.

Speaker 9 (57:25):
Drank, they drank something. It's fucking horrible.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
But this this cult, if I remember correctly believed in
aliens and they were well, they thought there was a
comment Haley's comment was passing by and they were like,
that's the spaceship.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
You need to go get on.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
We gotta get on that spaceship. People are stupid, man, Yeah,
well no, people just want to belong. I don't think
they're stupid. I think people just want hope, love whatever
they can find and they feel bad.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
The creepiest thing about the Heaven's Gate cult apparently the
cult does not does not operate anymore. The original website
that they had from the inception of the Internet in
the nineties is still active. Right now. Let's go to
that site.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
It's right now, you can you can go to it
right now. So that means I'm not going to suddenly
just be like i gotta kill myself, like no, no.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
That that means that not only so, somebody has paid
for the domain to remain active, and somebody has been
maintaining the website since that actually happened, which is wild.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah you are, I'll find it now.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I mean, what better power than to like control people
to that aspect? Right?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yes, here, it is here, it is.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It is. You've got the Heavensgate dot com and when
you google it, it pops right up Heaven's Gate. How
and when it may be entered too late?

Speaker 9 (58:47):
That is the actual is going to be back in
seven years now.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Look at this. This is straight out of the nineties.
Like so this is this is still here, this is
still active. You can still go to it Heavensgate dot com.
So hopefully the FBI isn't tracking my my I p information,
right they might if they conclude that you're wearing those glasses.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, you definitely murdered a child, you said in the
last thirty eight hours.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Fucked.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
If they wake up my daughter, I will be pissed.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Yeah, please don't break down my door. I really, this
isn't Ruby podcast, This isn't rage. Yes, guys, what else
on the Sacrament and the Jonestown massacre that inspired it.
It's just it's one of the most terrifying stories in
American history. Yeah, it's a good way good.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
It's like simply that, let's just start off with this
what we need. Yeah, Jim Jones was a fuck monster monster,
a monster legit monster. And I will say, I don't
know the actor glasses glasses.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Just like this. I don't like, I don't know what
you're trying to pull over here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
So uh, the actor that played father, the Jim Jones character,
his name is, his name is His name is, yes,
Benedict cumberbat He.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
His name is Jeane Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
It was a Jones Jones awesome, awesome performance movie, great stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I had to rewatch that one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I haven't. It's good. It's absolutely worth it.

Speaker 9 (01:00:30):
It's actually very good. Yeah, and I love Thai Wise.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yeah, all right, so the Sacrament, Yes, kat, I will say,
a very nice choice.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Thank you, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Jeffrey Matthew, would you like to go next? Yes, Okay, Matthew.
Your movie is the Exorcist.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Yeah, Bay, So the original story takes place in nineteen
forty nine in Saint Louis, Missouri.

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Was we even need to explain the Exorcist to anybody.
We did all, yeah, I mean we we did a
whole thing on the Exorcist.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
But basically, a young boy, early teenage boy named Richard
as kind of going through something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
And you know, he's in a normal family.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
They are Etholangical Lutherans, like very hardcore religious people, and
they started getting like a dripping sound in their house,
and an aunt comes over and uses a Ouiji board
with him, and after that there's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Things going on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
That's where you start getting the sounds and the banging
and the rattling and the walls and everything like that.
Suddenly the aunt dies and then all the sounds kind
of start to increase everything like that. They call an exterminator.
They think they might have mice or some sort of problems,

(01:02:00):
some some sort of vermin, and they find nothing. Then
they start to kind of wonder if there's like paranormal
activity going on. A Poulter guy's any sort of suspicion
due to the religiousness of their family. And then they're
wondering is this like beyond that's like kind of channeling
through beyond that any of their holy pictures or crucifixes

(01:02:25):
on the walls are kind of rattling, like specifically, and
the bed, his bed was trembling, which is in the movie,
which is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Frightening.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Can we agree that like up there, Like I know
people say that like Sinister is technically the scariest movie
that's ever been made.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
I think the Exorcist is the most terrified movie. It's
notoriously the scariest.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
What they call what they have said sinister is technically
it has to do with like a heart rates the Exorcists,
like the Exorcist.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
As a child, like when that was like that movie
came out seventy five, seventy three child No, so in
like nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
I remember this specifically very religious at that point of view,
like my parents were very religious. We were doing this
and it was the twenty five year anniversary of the Extorcists,
and I would be at home doing my homework and
my room and the TV would be on and the
like twenty five year anniversary like commercial for like hey
go see.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
This fucking movie wed come on and it would scare
the fucking dick out of me. I would see the
things that I would scare, like horrifying, absolutely horrifying. This
movie transcends scarce.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
It's fact. I mean, I think you could argue it's
not only you're absolutely spot on. It's one of, if
not the scariest movie ever me. But it's all made.
But it's also I think one of the best movies
is fantastic. It's one of the best horror movies ever made.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Yeah, it is a drama about something awful, well acted,
the most well acted horror movie, correct, I would agree,
and fucking.

Speaker 9 (01:04:11):
When she's walking down like it's a funked up movie,
So I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
They they take him to the doctors, they find nothing wrong.
They kind of are like, he's got like anxiety strong.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Yeah, it was a boy interesting in all of these
I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you, but so
all all of this stuff that you're saying right now,
this actually did, like actually happened, Like no dispute, right,
this is based on this is the story that's right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yes, okay, it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Gets into speculation a little later, but as of right now,
this is all what was documented through journals and everything. Okays,
he's you know, mark with high strassa YadA, He's got
cuts and markings on his body that aren't explained, and
you know he's crying for his mom. He's got these

(01:04:59):
welts and every thing throughout his body, and the parents
start to consider an exorcism.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Now with them being in this very.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Like specific church, they have their priests come and he
needs to go to a Catholic priest, so he calls
in a Catholic priest.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Well, only Catholic priest can do exorsy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
I guess, so yeah, So he comes and joins, and
the archbishop requests that they have everything documented day by
day as they do it upon their request, like that
was like the condition of.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Them because they in case they were for it, Yes
they need to have.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
And he has to go into Uh. He goes to
Spain and talks with the priest where I guess that's
a lot more common that they do exorcisms, and learns
the practices.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
And this, that and the other thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
It was super unheard of at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
This is in nineteen forty nine when it happened, and
it was like kind of like ridiculous almost where they
were getting into medical science and they were like learning
about schizophrenia and epilepsy and like shit like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
So he has to bring across. He's got to bring
holy water.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So they go back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
It takes like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Weeks and weeks, almost two months and months that they
end up going through this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
And they go through it and the boy claims that
it's over, but at like three point fifteen am, the
night that it was supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Done, they call him back and they're like, no, something's
still wrong. He starts becoming violent, profanity, the masturbation talk
and everything like they do in the Exorcist, and then
they call another guy to come and help restrain. He
gets moved into like a psych ward and they go

(01:06:52):
from there because they want to take him out of
the house. They don't want the family to be around.
Then there's there's talks of like bottles of holy water
flying across the room. He's cursing at priests, physical violence.
He's pissing on the priests, like just standing up on
his bed, like just whipping his dick out and taking

(01:07:13):
a piss, like while they're trying to do the exorcism,
and he starts communicating.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
He starts.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
The boy starts writing through journals saying that the devil
is claiming that there's a sign like something's coming. And
they have a rule that they're not supposed to engage
with directly with the devil when they're doing exorcism, so
they can't.

Speaker 9 (01:07:38):
Really like you don't talk to him directly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Yeah, they they're like kind of like there's this weird
like gray line of like if they can read these
notes he's writing because if it's supposed to be satan like,
they can't really like fuck with that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
So they baptize him.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
It kind of helps a little bit, but then the
behavior continues, and then they're deciding that the Ouiji board
is what was like what opened up this whole window
for him to tell And then words are starting to
appear on his chest that are like carved in. They
don't really know if he's self inflicting. He's claiming.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
No, They're like, is this a prank? Is this like
this and and the other thing, And they're worrying like
is this a prank?

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
He started that he's just like committed to the bit
and he's like, well, I'm this far, like I can't
like you know what I mean, can't stop now, so
they give him communion and they end up doing the
full thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
There's like a huge blast that is heard with like
witnesses throughout the whole hospital that he's in. There's no explosion,
there's no gas leak, there's nothing like that. And after
twenty eight nights of exorcism, it's it's confirmed and clear
that he has he's no longer possessed by the devil.

(01:08:56):
He is showing signs that he's you know, normal again.
Families like THEEF No, everything's cool, YadA, YadA, YadA. So
William Peter Bladdie kind of got this story. Obviously, he
embellishes a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
He adds quite a bit more to it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Nobody's head spun around or anything like that. There's no
puke and green slime. But he takes this story and
he creates what is one of the greatest horror films
or stories of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah, you have this book come out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
It terrifies people, and then William Friedkin gets a hold
of it. He directs the Exorcist. It's release the day
after Christmas in nineteen seventy three, and there's people wrapping
around blocks to go and see it. They're fainting in theaters,
churches are seeing an upspike in people coming in to

(01:09:48):
do confessions. This time, it was just a mass hysteria
that was created by this story, by this movie, and
it's one of the most, in my opinion, onion, one
of the most fascinating elements of horror history of all
fucking and that is The Exorcist, and to what I believe,

(01:10:09):
is one of the greatest, scariest, most well made horror
films ever.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
To be made.

Speaker 9 (01:10:19):
Yeah, you're not wrong at all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I know that's The Exorcist holds a special place in
your heart, as it does in many It is a horror.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Story because for a lot of people like that element
of religion and that element of reality, because a lot
of people just fucking pooh pooh like religious aspects of humanity,
and there's a lot of fucking weird shit that happens
on this planet, and people just are so quick to
just that this person's crazy, and it's like, when you

(01:10:47):
really get down to the fucking gritty gritty, something could
be up.

Speaker 9 (01:10:52):
There's something is definitely up.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
We are so fucking stupid and ignorant to think that
there is nothing else besides us. In this universe, it exists,
whether it's aliens, demons, angels, whatever the fuck you want
to say, it is, there is, there is evil. Evil exists,
and we are fighting it every fucking day. And it's

(01:11:15):
rather fucking horrifying to think about, Like we live in Constantine.
Like that's a movie that's basically might as well just
be fact not opinion. Constantine. I fucking love that movie.
This to me, that like extors to like hand in hand.
But like, yeah, there's a lot of fucking weird ship
that goes on. And like a lot of people aren't religious,
and I'm not religious, but I am religious.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
I believe that there are things beyond Well, no, if
you believe, if you believe in aliens, you believe in God.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
You believe in God.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
If you believe in aliens, if you believe in aliens,
you believe in God.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
That's my point.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
If you believe in demons, you believe obviously you believe
in God. I believe that there are you obviously believe
in God. Because if you believe the Exers is a
true story, then you believe in God. Yeah, there's something
that was happening to this boy and like there was
always speculation, and like I said, there's still like there,
like was it a prank?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Was he just like really committed to it. But there
were certain things that happened with eyewitness testimony that were
unexplainable to the point of the physical realm.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
That we live in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
It's and at the end of the day, it's just
that evil exists and it can infest itself inside of
somebody or inside of a situation. We live in a
time now where it's like we see evil things happen
every day, every day, and I think social media is
a big part of that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Yeah, where I think evil things have always happened at
the frequency Well I'm just saying I think they've always
happened to the frequency that they're happening, But now everything's
on fucking camera.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
We're always, we're and we're.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
We're way more attuned to it too, because we know
about the evil that has happened in the past. Nothing
different is happening now. It's just we're more cognizant of
what is happening around. It doesn't even need to be
on film. It's just there.

Speaker 9 (01:13:18):
You can see it. We see it every day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
You don't have to I don't need to see someone
get shot in the throat to know that evil exists.

Speaker 9 (01:13:25):
I know that evils there, and I see.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Evil people, people do evil things all the time, people
fuck with children. There's evil all around us.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Do you know where the most evil is?

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Market? Most evil?

Speaker 9 (01:13:41):
I would say stop and shop, but that you can
say black.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
People and stop evil in market baskets. It's just the
problem is that, like we all have to just realize
that we're just here, We're just on the ride.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
We're fucking doing what we have to do every fucking
day to get through it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
But there is ship that happens all around us all
the time that we don't even fucking recognize, and it
is horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
It is evil. What I'd say is that I don't
think I think even the most hardened skeptic would tell
you that there are things that happen and things around
us that we either don't understand yet or aren't capable
of understanding, right, And that could be a number of things,
not pinpointing it down to one particular thing. And I

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feel like that's going to be a really interesting thing
to talk about in the next two movies that Andrew
and I are going to bring up but no, I
say before we move on. The Exorcist, I think is
not only one of the most fascinating and scary horror movies,
but I think it's also one of the biggest horror
movies where everything about it, from its inception to even

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its impact years later, is fascinating and scary and it's
and it's filming, right, I was gonna say that. Yeah,
So like, well, who do you have someone die in
that movie? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Yeah, yeah, some and died making that the doctors fucked
the doctor. So the scene where Reagan gets the cat scan,
she gets the cat scan where they have to put
that needle internet and the sports, well, that's all actual practice,
and that's a real doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
And that doctor was convicted of murdering I think his
roommate or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
There was evil on set of that movie, and so
that entire story from its actual like you just said, Mike,
and it's actual inception of like what really happened to
William Peter Bladdie's novel writing to William Friedkin's adaption to
making the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
It was encompassed by evil and horror and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
People were convinced that watching that movie was gonna fuck
their fucking lives.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
And it might have done that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
It could have because people, legitimately, people had to parent.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
My mom saw the movie, and the fucked my mom
and it fucked my dad, and they both found that
movie extremely upset.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
It's distressing. It's a very distressing movie.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
And also I think that the very underrated part is
The Exorcist, the beginning, like that first movie you seen,
it's such when there in Iraq is that movie. Like
the inception of that movie and where it was founded
from makes a lot more sense when you look at
it that way. Ancient Egypt, ancient all these ancient cultures

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were so fucking adamant.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
About like this weird and shit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
To me, the fact that this movie came out in
nineteen seventy three and it was as hardcore as it
was and is is crazy to see that movie. Oh god, man,
if I could have there's two movies I wish I
could go back and see in theaters and the Time Machine,
and to have seen this and witnessed the reaction of

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crowds because back then everyone was everyone, Everyone for the
most part, was religious.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
God was everywhere.

Speaker 9 (01:17:02):
But there's also a lot of like flower power bullshit
going on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
There was because this is very war, yeah, and but
it was it was a hot topic.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
But god damn does this movie fucking stand up and
it always will. And anyone that says that this isn't
a scary movie is that they.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Don't know what that is.

Speaker 12 (01:17:26):
Honest.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
The number one reason why I see this movie, and
this movie, to my core, upsets me to my general core,
watching this movie makes me feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
A young girl one of them.

Speaker 9 (01:17:38):
It's one of those horror movies that just makes you
feel off.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I don't like it.

Speaker 9 (01:17:43):
I love it, like the movie in general.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
I love the movie, but it's one of those movies
that you watched you you know that you're going through
something because it's your core.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
It's gonna suck you up. It's like going on a
roller coaster. It's it's it's a movie that you know
is gonna put you through something. And I watched the
last night I watched last thing was probably the fucking
sixtieth time I've watched.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
The difference between a roller coaster in this movie is
when the roller coast is over, you know that it
was just a ride.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
You know that this isn't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
Legitimately what is possibly around you on a daily basis,
Like the fact that this evil exists on a level
that you can't even comprehend horrifies me to a core
that I can't even deal with.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
The Thing about this movie and the and the story
is that there's evil, and evil is an idea.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
There's hatred. That's what makes it scary, you know, worst
hatred is the fucking.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Hatred's terrible evils so much worse. But because evil is hatred. Yeah, No,
there is hatred all around us every day. But I'll
take hatred over evil evil.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
There's no fuck. You can't fuck with evil.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Hatred.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Hatred is what reads people. That's what I'm saying. There's
there's this movie what breeds hatred. But I'm just saying
in general, like this movie was something that was so
ahead of its time. Here's the movie that should never
have been made in my opinion, here's a movie that

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led to such like this movie's fucked.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
So it's almost like, would this would the world be
a better place than this movie never existed?

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
No, I don't think it would make it different.

Speaker 9 (01:19:33):
Maybe knows movie.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
No, Less, I think it was more eye opening to
people like because you saw the Like I said, there
were spikes and people going to church after the movie
came out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
People were trying to repent the confess.

Speaker 9 (01:19:49):
Is that necessarily a good thing?

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
I guess so.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
I mean, like, in terms of reaction, it's a reaction
every it's a positive reaction where people are saying, like, hey,
you know what, I've done this thing, I've done that thing,
and I want to confess.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
People were terrified at hell.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
But here's the thing, like, how many people that we
don't weren't documented decided, Oh I go to fucking kill.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Some people now. People are gonna kill people every day.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Exactly true.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
So I mean I would I I wouldn't argue. It's
my opinion. I think that the exorcism thing nowadays has
been done to death. I'm almost as sick of exorcism
and possession movies. Yes, like this is the possession movie,
this is the exorcism movie obviously called The Exorcist. It's awesome,
it's it's one of the greatest movies ever made. Nominated

(01:20:38):
for Best Picture YEP, one of the few horror movies
to be nominated for Best Picture amongst other OSCAR nominations,
and it's just it's. Yeah, no matter what aspect of
the whole Exorcist story you focus on, whether it's the
true story that it was based on, the book that
was written about that true story, the movie that was
inspired by the book, and the true story, It's legacy
on pop culture in the horror landscape even fit over

(01:21:01):
fifty years later. Probably, yeah, fifty years later, it's it's
it's a fascinating relic of time, I would say, And
it's an awesome movie. And if you haven't seen the
Exto System and what are you even doing? You know,
it's a staple in horror. It's one of the best
horror movies of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
YEP, top five co Sin.

Speaker 9 (01:21:24):
Yeah, there's very few movies that scared. That movie scares the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Funk out of me.

Speaker 9 (01:21:28):
That's all that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Sarah came home last night and she's like, can you
turn this? She was like, I can't believe you're watching
this right now. Yeah, She's like, I don't know how
you watched this before, Like I towards the end, because.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
That's one of the few movies that, like, I love
horror movies, that's not a rewatch because that movie, fucking
really I watched that movie.

Speaker 9 (01:21:48):
It hits me to a different That movie hits me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Core where it's so uncomfortable I don't want to watch
it again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Fair, that's good, that's what it's supposed to do. Yes,
it inspires me to not be it inspired.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
But I've always been captivated by the movie ever since
I saw it when I was young. I saw the
the first time when I was probably nine or ten,
and it terrified the ship out of me. I was
awake for weeks on end after watched and it just
it's instead of being like I don't ever want to

(01:22:21):
see this again, I was fascinated by it and I
pursued why, what it was, what the story was, everything
like that. The documentary I watched ast time. I've seen
probably ten times.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yeah, do you have an Exorcist tattoo?

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
I do? That's on my like cool, and it's just
it's it's a perfect movie. Have you read the book? Okay?
Sometimes I want to read it and I haven't yet,
so that's on my list as well read books. I've
read it twice and listened to it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
It sounds like something Matt knows everything about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Yes, a resident go to expert on the Exorcist. I
would also if you want more information on the behind
the scenes stuff for the movie with the exist also
you can intertwined number with the story that inspired the
book and the movie. There's a podcast called Inside the Exorcist,
which Wondery made. It's like six or seven parts. It's

(01:23:21):
really good worth checking out. They did a series called that,
like inside, they didn't want on Star Wars, The Exorcist, Jaws,
They're all really really.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Good ready for this.

Speaker 8 (01:23:30):
I came up with a word yep. So Matt is
an expert on the Exorcist. He's an expert cyst get
very good, you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Get there very good?

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Yeah, well I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
I don't really entire podcast. He came to me and
I was like, oh, that's gold.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
I don't know if that level of commentary can be
talked about talking to the Exorcist. Is there anything else
that we want to experts, experts? I just this movie
is like it's it's it's stitched into my being fantastic,
it's it's on my flash Exorcist was.

Speaker 9 (01:24:07):
I can see it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
It's physical, it's there, The Exorcist possible? Was uh, your
first appearance on this podcast? Right, that's right?

Speaker 9 (01:24:16):
Gave him the giant Boner when he came on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Uh, well, anything further on the Exercist, guys, let's to
where we are today. The Exorcist another another thing. There
we go. I guess I'll go next, and then we'll
wrap up with Andrews. Since I guess Andrew My topic
and Andrew My movie and Andrew's movie are kind of

(01:24:39):
in a similar bank, I would say, as our resident alien.
Uh and UFO and Guy and worm Guy and all
of those things. So I've always been fascinated by UFOs
and and alien stories and I think it's it's uh,
it's incredibly interesting and also incredibly existentially terrifying about some

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of the things that could be out there in the universe.
And we're talking about things that we don't know about
or understand yet. And I think that it's I mean,
if you watch, if you follow the news, there's so
much stuff that's been out recently about UFOs and footage
that's come out. I know Andrew I sent to you,
but there's there's footage out there right now of I

(01:25:24):
forget exactly what country it was. Yeah, on on video
UFO and the sky and somebody fired a missile at it,
and the missile hit it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
And you also know that, Mike, you don't videos to
convince me.

Speaker 9 (01:25:38):
I am already.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Yeah, I'm one. Yeah, they're they're out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
There shot miss like someone some guy. Yeah. I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
I didn't say some guy. No, I said a country
like the government fired a missile UFO and UFO A you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
It bows off. It bounced off, and the ship separated
into like seven different things and then went back together.

Speaker 9 (01:26:13):
It kept going.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
That was amazing sound effects, especially the last.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
But there's there's been people that have testified in front
of Congress in the last few months talking about UFO
retrieval programs and recovering biological entities. So there's if you
life on Mars, life on Mars. That was the thing
about recently. So anyway, if you if you are a
tinfoil hat wearing person when it comes to alien sorts
of I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
We're for regular papers. If I could finish my thoughts,
I didn't mean it. It's a disparaging term, and more
of it as a term of endearment. Anyway, there's a
lot out there right now in terms of UFO stuff.
So I'm I'm the guy I grew up watching, like,
you know, Discovery Channel documentaries about UFO abductions and Cattum
mutilations and all that weird shit. It's always freaked me
out and I've always enjoyed it. So anyway, and a

(01:27:07):
big X Files guy, and obviously the X Files had
a huge impact on me as a horror fan and sci.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Fi fan growing up in the ninety shit, I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Mean now now I'm wearing sunglasses at night, murdered people exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
So I do not think that there are a ton
of scary alien abduction and UFO horror movies out there,
the one giant exception being a movie from nineteen ninety
three called Fire in the Sky Signs. Signs is also
a very real true story, not a true story though,

(01:27:40):
Fire in the Sky this is a slept on movie,
so a lot of people may not have heard this one.
It is a nineteen ninety three American science fiction drama film,
right that's important to know too, directed by Robert Lieberman.
Adapt It's based on a true story from a guy
named Travis Walton and his book for Walton Experience, which
obscribed describes excuse me, an extra terrextrial Extra Extra Terrestrial Abduction.

(01:28:04):
Good good, God good, I could speak. But anyway, so
this movie, if you were to watch it, the first
fifteen or so minutes, and I feel like the majority
of the movie, aside from kind of towards the end,
very much plays like a drama with some weird sci
fi elements and some out there but it's like you
watch it and it's Robert Patrick's in it and Henry Thomas,

(01:28:27):
who's been in a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Now, so this is like a bunch of It's not
the guy from the Waltons.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Henry Thomas was an ETS and like the Milan against Stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Yeah Yeald House of Usher.

Speaker 9 (01:28:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
So anyway, this is the story about a guy that
is on a logging crew in Arizona and after finishing
up a shift cutting down trees, all of these six
guys are leaving this construction site and they see UFO.
This guy, Travis Walton, gets out of the truck, runs
up to the UFO and is staring at it and
basically gets hit by this beam of light, falls down unconscious,

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and then is abducted by this craft. And the remainder
of the logging crew goes back into town and tells
the story of what happened to the police, and they say, listen,
we were just doing this job. We saw this light
in the sky, we saw a craft in one of
our guys, Travis, was taken by this craft, and the

(01:29:25):
rest of the movie follows the search for this guy,
basically how everyone that was on the logging crew was
suspected of essentially murdering this guy and dumping his body
somewhere because obviously, like what else can you really wild?

Speaker 9 (01:29:37):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Right, And it plays out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Like essentially the story of the crew and you know,
trying to pass light detector tests because they all saw.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
The same thing and did not kill this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
And so anyway, all that happens, Travis Walton reappears five
days later naked at a gas station and collect calls
his friend. They pick him up and he's all fucked up,
and then it flashes back to what I think is
the scariest depiction of an alien abduction on film, which
is what actually what what the film interprets happened to

(01:30:13):
this guys. He goes up in his spaceship and he's
like in this weird cocoon type thing with all like
weird fluids and jellies and he comes out and yeah,
put on this operating table where these gray aliens essentially
strap him down and cover him with this st like
literally like south Park alien. They are literally south Park Aliens.

(01:30:34):
So aside from that one part of the movie, I
don't even think you. I think you might be hard
pressed to call it a horror movie. But that particular
scene when I saw it as a kid, it scared
the absolute eff horrifying movie. I was telling Kat and
we watched it, like, if you put Maulder and Scully
in this, it could have been an episode.

Speaker 8 (01:30:56):
But was this the one we watched where it actually
looked like it was a TV where it just like
went black.

Speaker 9 (01:31:00):
Yeah, And it was like, this is like great story.
The movie is very.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Very basic movie, but the story itself is fucking horrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Yeah. So anyway, so that's that. That's the movie, and
the movie, you know, is its own thing. But I
think that the true story behind it is ten times
more terrifying, because you know, be skeptical if you want,
take it with a grain of salt. Uh. This guy,
Travis Walton has done tons of interviews, and the story

(01:31:36):
that he tells horrifying, where it essentially the same thing
where they were working as loggers. They see the craft.
He got abducted, disappeared for five days.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
How far different from the truth of the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
It's pretty spot on. It's pretty spot on, Like it
is a pretty much interpretation of what he claims happened
to him. The one thing I will say is that
in you know, in the UFO community, there has been
a lot of doubt cast on his story over the years,
but everyone that he worked with has kind of held

(01:32:08):
to the truth. And this is again over fifty years ago.
Seems like a weird thing to hold the lie up
about for over fifty years. But anyway, I guess the
one thing that there are some reports out there that
when he reappeared, he might have like there was some
indication that he might have been on meth like that.

Speaker 8 (01:32:28):
Type of I was gonna say this is this could
absolutely be a drug like but going to bender for
like five days.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
This Oh so I actually didn't even know that. Okay, interesting,
I know the song, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
I'd assume it's about this, but it's about an alien
abduction yep, and him basically getting his brain scrambled. He
refers to people talk to him and sounding like Peanuts
parents like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Oh yea yeah, yeaheah, yeah yeah okay, and where they're
like and like just them giving him a message.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
And the whole thing is that he was like stoned
when he got abducted, and the whole thing is that
they give him this important message and he doesn't remember
what it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Was, and he's like, I just wish I brought a pen, okay,
so I could have write it down. So I never
put two and two together there. But I know the
song you're talking about. I've heard that story like an
eleven minute song, and there's a great so on that album.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
In ten Thousand Days, there's a three minute like segue
thing into that where it's like you're hearing like doctors
in a hospital, like you're hearing like the heart monitor
and everything, and they're like trying to talk to this
guy and he won't speak, and then it's like you
hear like thirdern like the song stars seems like, well,

(01:33:47):
let me tell you a tale, like and he finally
like cracks into it. It's and I always think of
that song in this movie kind of I like to
think that they hold hands and that it makes a
lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
it's just it's a really fucking creepy story.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
And so I guess in real life when they found
this guy, he was he was gone for five days,
like the whole town was looking for him, So it
would have been pretty difficult for him to hide. He
lost ten pounds in five days, So it's you know,
it would be implied that star wasn't starved, kept somewhere
by something we don't exactly know what. And yeah, it's

(01:34:32):
kind of one of the most famous alien not even
the most, one of the most it's the most famous
alien abduction story ever told. And it's made into this
movie that I feel like a lot of people don't
really know a whole lot about. So Firing This Sky's
an awesome movie. The story that inspired it terrifying. And
in addition to the movie and the story, I mentioned

(01:34:52):
the book already, but Travis Walton did write a book
called The Walton Experience. But this guy's kind of made
the rounds in the media. You can find him talking
about this experience in a lot of different formats. He
there's an episode so the podcast company, because does Radio
Rental does a podcast called High Strange, which is about
alien stuff, and there is episode two of that show

(01:35:13):
is titled Travis Walton, and they interviewed him and members
of his crew where he tells the story and it's
it's it's fucking scary. Walton also was on an episode
of He Didn't Heated Rogan, so he was interviewed by
Joe Rogan about this for a long time. So he's
he's kind of he's made the rounds all over the
place talking about it. It's a really fucking scary story.
Have you heard the thing where the guy calls into

(01:35:34):
the the radio show the Art Yeah, the r bel
show Coast to Coast. Yeah, oh I love Coast Coast Yeah,
Coast Coast.

Speaker 9 (01:35:41):
Great, that's fucking wild.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
But you've heard about that where the guy calls in.
He's claiming the area of fifty one is like harboring
aliens and like the government knows that there's something coming
and that there's places that they can move people to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Yep, and they're not doing it. Yeah, really a lot
of people.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
And they shut down the entire radio wave. He got
like the whole radio wave cuts out, and so he
comes back on and he's like well, we just had
our entire broadcast like shut down.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Yeah, that's also on the Tool album.

Speaker 9 (01:36:15):
It's also interesting how Bob Blazar.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Is going to say, Yeah, I think that the Travis
Walt story sits kind of alongside the Bob Blazar story
as probably two of the most famous UFO things ever
told him. Bob Blazar was the guy that in the
eighties went to a Las Vegas news team and said, hey,
I was employed at Area fifty one reverse and crashed
alien spaceships and they had bodies. And he was kind

(01:36:38):
of dismissed as a koup for a long time. And
he claims that he went to Harvard I think it was,
or he basically has all these degrees and astrophysics and
all that's in a bunch of stuff. But he claims
that the government revoked all his credentials because they wanted
to silence him. And you know, he said all these
things back in the eighties and he is still sticking
to the story again nowadays, and he has been documented

(01:37:00):
he's made about him, and that's also a very creepy story.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
So it's also like where does sing the Pans say
come like that makes that's reverse engineering?

Speaker 9 (01:37:07):
Yeah, like the movies.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
They tell you the truth in movies, that's what they do,
Like is really what.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
It's all about. Oh god, we're gonna get deep into.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
So I love I love alien stuff, and this story
really freaks me the funk out. So I would recommend
if you haven't seen Fire in the Sky, definitely check
it out. I don't know what you guys thought of
the movie, but I thought it was pretty cool. It
definitely didn't scare me as much watching it this time
around as when I was scared the piss out of me.
But now it's still a pretty effective movie. Yeah, it's
a visceral experience to watch that whole scene, Like you're like, okay, yes,

(01:37:52):
that would suck. Oh and Cat, I know you. You
had never seen Fire in the Sky until we walk
last week.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Right, correct? And that is correct?

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
You liked it, right, I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Yeah, it wasn't bad, you know for alien movies. I'm
not a big alien movie person. I don't know. It
just doesn't do it for me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
But because you're stupid something about like things being like
considered so far fetched, Yeah, aliens are the least thing
that could be considered far fetched. No, just no, you know,
that's what I'm saying, Like you can't consider it far fetched.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
But like when it's like something like that, it's so
easy to dismiss, right, like just be like, Okay, it's
a sci fi movie, like whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
The thing with me is like when I watch horror
movies is if it's something that can happen, scary, but
when it's made well and it's acted well and it's
produced well and you're seeing good effects.

Speaker 9 (01:38:53):
I watched the thing, I'm like, yeah, yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Couldn't happen, but a good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Maybe who knows what the fun You look at that
and you're like, god, damn, that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Would fucking blow it certainly would.

Speaker 9 (01:39:10):
Yeah, it sounds terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Yeah, I mean when I just think about this movie
and the concept of you know, all like UFOs and aliens,
it just it makes me wonder, like all of these
people are claiming to see these things, that experience these
things like yeah, seriously, x q X files music. It
can't be a mass. It can't all be a mass,
you know, sighting of something that isn't there. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
How many people confirm story. I'm gonna have the same
story and be liars, right right, Yeah, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
It's like saying that people that believe religion, every culture
believes in the Messiah, and and they all have seen it.

Speaker 9 (01:39:52):
So that's the same fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Most if not all religions have some sort of indication
of ancient aliens.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
In them as well, which leads you to that that's
probably they have.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Always They've always been.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
South Park, south Park, low key.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
One of the like the longest running alien thread lines
of all time is always always alien.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Ship in South Park, which I love people, they're always.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
It sounds like an alien man. So good, all right,
So well that that's fire in the sky, guys, any
other thoughts on fire? And that was a good pick.
That was on par for you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
I'm glad that. Yeah, yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Well, time for Andy Boy to take us home here
with something also very near and dear.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
You were going to I was close.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
The Mothman Prophecies starring Richard Gear Bravo Money Fantastic, Bravo,
Pick this topic, Bravo pick movie.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Let's talk about cryptos.

Speaker 9 (01:40:58):
Who doesn't love?

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Do you love cryptis Sam squach sasquash Goddamn, I kind
of laugh. That's because you're stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Cryptology Museum was awesome and.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
As long as long and as interested as I've that
in UFOs, I am equally Skins considered crypt that's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
One hundred percent of cryptid and they hundred percent exists.
Skin Walkers are the scariest thing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
They are frightening because they will just take over. You
will think it's a person. It's not screamed.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
They're like, it'll you'll have like a deer they are.

Speaker 9 (01:41:39):
They're like, so what, I've.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
Realized that all cryptids are are just ancient spirits or
spirits from a later time that have been killed in
an awful manner.

Speaker 9 (01:41:49):
They're just like demons. They're like ghosts. They're all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
Like it's all like like the Mothman came from Chief Cornstalk,
which is a real really shan figure.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Chief his name is Chief Cornstock, and he was killed
by George Washington in like the nineteen the seventeen seventies,
not the nineteen seventies, the seventeen seventies, and he placed
a curse on Point Pleasant, which is where the Mothman
originates because moths.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
I don't know why moth I don't know why he
chose moths, but moth mans annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Moths are very annoying. You can eat them.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
I wouldn't eat a moth ever.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
But we are talking about the film The Mothman Prophecies
starring and uh pretty uh pretty mediocre movie.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Not a great movie. This fine movie. I love this movie.
It's fine. It's nothing special. It's borderline horror. It's more
like a drama. Like again, pretty pretty, semi creepy psychological thriller,
though thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Like they play a lot into like the Ingride Cold
elements of it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Drid, Indrid, Indrid, I call him Ingrid all the time.
Indrid Cold Like. He's a supernatural being that exists, big
smile on his face. He's like one of like the
smiley people, like a smiley creedy guy, like a tall.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Man, tall man kind of idea. And he's just always
present in the point Pleasant. I don't know why he
was there, no, but it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
It's very weird that they had all these sightings of
the Mothman right before the bridge what's the name of
the bridge, fucking the silver bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Silver Bridge collapsed and there was this massive like how
many people died, like nine hundred people?

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
It was forty six six people. That's like that's like
a cruise.

Speaker 9 (01:43:55):
Sounds like a cruise. That sounds like.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
Yeah, but it was a fucking wild story, like a
bridge collapsing. Yeah, all these before it of the Mothman.
Do you guys, have you ever seen the moll Fan?
We saw the moth Fan the other night we were at.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
The there was a there was a room that could
have could have been.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
Red eyes, red beady eyes. I'm gonna be with you,
I've never seen them.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Off. Okay, it's a.

Speaker 9 (01:44:28):
Very interesting movie.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
I kept saying, I didn't I think I saw.

Speaker 9 (01:44:33):
It's not the best movie. It's super fucking creepy. It's
not a horror movie.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
It's just an intellectual It's like it's like it's Annie
Daco or like it's so much like in that realm
of kind of I wouldn't even put it in that,
not even like seven realm. I don't even know what
I'm trying to think of something.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
It's like a documentary like real life. It's a psychological thriller.
So it's based off of John Keel. It's a John
Keel book, a Keel book.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
He's like a like John kill is a like journalist
who is investigating the Mothman prophecies, and he's looked into
it and he knows all about Chief Cornstock and he
know it's all about like the Silver Bridge and all
these episodes that have happened, and he's documenting every thing
that's happened along the way. So Richard Gear's character is
based off of him. So he's basically a journalist that's

(01:45:22):
trying to figure out.

Speaker 9 (01:45:23):
So it's like if this was.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
Made as like a found footage, it would fucking be
like the Frogman could like it could be up there
with that.

Speaker 9 (01:45:32):
Yeah, just a very interesting story.

Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
Yeah, Mothman is very weird and creepy, and it's like
he's just there. He's like a harbinger of death. He's
just always around death.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
And so when General Kornstock or Chief Cornstock cursed point
Pleasant ever since then, it's just been crouded in which
darkness and then yeah, pretty much, yeah, shrouded. It's very
similar to like King Philip. Yeah, like the Bridge Gown Trile,

(01:46:02):
very similar, the same thing, same concept, which I find
very interesting that a lot of these stories originate from
just like you know, Native American chiefs dying and stuff
like that, and it's like the way they die.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
It's just an interesting concept and so which makes you
think that they have like a different there's a type
of power to them that they can pour, Like, yeah,
they're mythological. Do they have like this mythological way of
doing this mythological way of doing this? Like a witch?
They are witches essentially like witch doctors.

Speaker 9 (01:46:40):
And all that, and who do you do?

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
I don't know, power of the base, so what I
I absolutely love the Offmann story of it. It's I
think it is the scariest cryptid story. And I think
that the thing that's awesome about the book, which I've
read a couple of times, and it's also the frustrating
thing about the movie is that the movie had a
very takes the concept of the book very loosely and

(01:47:04):
makes it into a psychological thriller if that's much more
of a drama, kind of hacks the book's balls off,
if you will. The book itself, which again take take
it with a grain of salt, take it with what
you will, but it does follow As Andrew mentioned, John Keel.
While he's he's in point pleasant basically investigating these events,
multiple people saw the Mothman itself. So that is A

(01:47:26):
big difference between the movie and the book is that
the book is almost exclusively about people seeing the Mothman,
and in the movie you don't see the Mothman at all, never, right,
so it's implied to be a presence there. The close
thing you get to it is the incredibly scary injured
cold phone scene, which are very very scary issue. Well,

(01:47:46):
it's also it's interesting you say that because one of
the biggest aspects which I thought was really cool about
the book is that coinciding with all the Mothman sightings
in Point Pleasant during this time, is that all these
people were also then visited by the quote unquote men
in black and not like Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith.
In a funny way, these were very strange people that

(01:48:07):
showed up at their houses threatened them not to tell
the stories about what they saw. Because there were also
a lot of UFO sightings at the time too in
this area.

Speaker 4 (01:48:15):
A lot of stuff going on. There's all this interesting
stuff documentary on Prime I think they have it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
So there's a bunch of them, But the Mothman of
Point Pleasant is the one that's on Amazon. Prim that's
a very good one, and I think that the the
men in black stuff is that's scarier obviously than than.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
It's really because they were also described as ingrid, cold,
like this your guy with this big smile, and like
they weren't human, they were like alien.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
Yeah, they'm telling you. Don't talk about the book. The
book basically describes them as as appearing as if like
the way they dress is either not yet in style
or the closer out of style. Very long fingers and appendages,
like big giant eyes that don't fit their head, like
just weird looking.

Speaker 6 (01:49:07):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:49:07):
It was essentially like in Mars attacks when that alien
was trying to seduce the guy in a limo and
she was like dancing, she's a huge face.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
Like it was like it was very similar to that.
Like some of the some of the reports that are
in the book, like people people say that they couldn't
even form like coherent sentences when they were trying to
like say simple things. They had a hard time, like
like they didn't speak the language. It's very weird and
creepy and off putting, and there's a lot of stuff
that happened. But it did also lead into the collapse

(01:49:38):
of the Silver Bridge and a lot of people think,
as you said, Andrew, that the Mothman was a harbinger
of doom. For that it has been seen. There's reports
of the Mothman being seen around Chernobyl. For the and
the famous the Injured Cold Stuff, we have to go
back to that for a set that's such weird. So

(01:49:59):
the Injury Cold Stuff you can kind of there's it's
almost kind of its own separate thing, but it is.
It did happen near Point Pleasant, which is so basically
there was a guy I forget his name, but I
will find it. He was driving home Dresden something. You'll
find it, find it for me. But he was driving home,
saw a craft in the middle of the road. Just

(01:50:21):
in the middle of the road. Guy walks up, smiling,
starts communicating with him telepathically and tells him that his
name is Indrid Cold and gives him all these weird
messages like Woodrow Derrenberger.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Yep, Woodrow Derrenberger would nailed this at a boy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
See I know that, like tell it, I'm fucking weird.
It was just tell pathic.

Speaker 9 (01:50:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
But if you actually google Indrid Cold and you look
at some of the images of what are the.

Speaker 9 (01:50:51):
It's really scary, huge just this big grin on his face.

Speaker 4 (01:50:55):
It's fucking and the fact that people like saw that
and like that's what is wild, Like, oh, well, these
people are all insane.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
I'm like, well they can all be insane. Yeah, it's
a horrifying looking human.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Yeah, very scary. Yeah, Like you can't have hundreds of
people just they can't all be fucking yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
Yeah. Like it's just like you need to.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
Understand that if you see something that's that crazy, you're
never gonna forget that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
And if everybody saying that.

Speaker 9 (01:51:26):
Just because they're from West Virginia, it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Might be real, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
Yeah, well that's that's one thing that they kind of
pick up on them or like I would say Richard
Gears character picks up on the movie is that he thinks,
at first, like all these people are just back, you know,
back what's Hillbilly's and the Okay, they can't possibly be
seeing these things they're describing seeing. But like, I don't
know if you if you a lot of people saw it,
and it's definitely one of those things. Now where the
town plays into it, like Point Pleasant has become a

(01:51:53):
tourist destination for this kind of thing. There's a Mothman
step square in there right well as was happening is
more than enough. Oh yes, and there's a there's a
Mothman museum in Point Pleasant.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
So in the movie that bridge scene is like that
movie is really good.

Speaker 9 (01:52:08):
That's like a made for TV movie.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
But it's like again we're talking like this is just
up there with like Fire in the Car, I feel
like it's like a.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
Made and it's like I feel like it's it's kind
of the product of the times too, right, where like
movies like Fire and Sky, movies like Bothman Prophecies.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
There taking like a low production value.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
I was gonna say, you're taking a clear like B
movie concept and trying to turn it into like a drama.
Like I feel like at certain points watching Fire in
the Sky or not not so much Mothman, but watching
Fire in the Sky, like the way Robert Patrick is
playing his character, it's like he's trying to like damn
it up, yeah, like be like no, I was gonna say,
like like he's, you know, showcasing for an oscar, Like, dude,

(01:52:47):
the movie's Fire in the Sky like this, this should
have been much more of a horror movie than it
actually was. Still a good movie. And I feel like Mothman,
like you could make it really effective string I mean movie.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
I believe that movie credit for one thing, like you
took a big name, like let's not the smirch, fucking
Richard Gear.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Richard Gear was a big name in that Certainly he's.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Been like yeah, he's been like a lot of big movies,
and he decided a movie like Final Fear Mothman.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
Kind of like almost like a career killer. You think
it would beneath him, right, Yeah, you could think that
could be a career killer for him.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
I don't think it would, No, it was, but they
could have been a career killer of the movie was
like tag, Yeah, like that's a bold move for someone
to just like in that time period like this isn't
like what we're talking about now, like where everybody's making
movies and they just come out of.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
The fucking left field, like this was a big thing
to make that movie for him.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
I think it's certainly it feels.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
I mean the cast they got seems out of place, right,
I mean, okay, so not only Richard Gear, Dever Messing,
Will Patton, Laura Lennie, like those are big time actors. Yeah, Academy.
More nominees in there like it's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Yeah, I agree, but they were all very.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
Grace Yeah. La Lenny was in Ozark. She's a mistic Rivers.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
Great book. Ye, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
I've read a bunch of Dennis Lanes stuff. I was
gonna say that, I think Mister River might be the best.
Boston Islands pretty good too, So yeah, Mothman Creepy Ship,
I would also say so. Obviously we talked about the
Mothman Prophecies book by John Keel, which you can read
definitely checked out if you like weird Ship like I do.
And the documentary on Amazon Prime is called The Mothman

(01:54:31):
of Point Pleasant, directed by a guy named Seth Breedlove
real name, and uh. His production company does a series
of documentaries on cryptids and local legends that the Mothman
Point Pleasant is part of. It's called small Town Monsters.
So there's a bunch of those you have to really
good and they're all on Prime. So yeah, if you

(01:54:52):
like crypt Ship, that's right up. Anything else on the
moth Man, on the Exorcist, on Fire in the Sky,
on the Sacrament put a bowl in this bitch. Yeah, guys,
I think this is a really cool topic. Yeah, I
mean to pat me on the back, Andrew, But I

(01:55:13):
think this was led to some very interesting discussion and
I like that we're kind of pushing ourselves outside of
our usual comforts on here, which is good stuff. Hopefully
people listening to feel the same way. Well, I mean,
I mean, I would argue we've had a serial killer
on the show for five years. That's true, a legend. Yes,

(01:55:42):
all right, Well, I think we've said all we can
say at this point, guys, and this has been another
episode of America's hometown Horror. Thanks so much for tuning
back in. We certainly appreciate it. As a spooky season
starts to kick off here. We needn't figure out what
we're going to do for spooky season, but that's a
conversation to have off microphone.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
We'll be back and we want yes, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
Right, so and again our movies tonight were The Sacrament,
The Exorcist, Fire in the Sky, and The Mothman Prophecies.
Check those out if you dare. All right, my name
is Mike. I've been joined by Matt, Andrew and Catherine. Guys,
good stuff tonight, Thanks so much, Say goodbye, Asa pasta listen. Bye.

(01:56:34):
Hey everyone, it's Mike from America's Hometown Horror and I
want to say thanks again for listening to another episode
of our show. If you're interested in more local Plymouth podcasts,
I highly recommend you check out the show from our
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America's Hometown Horror, you can find shows from Anebriart, The
Old Colony Cast, Bar Talk, Theme Park Legends, and Retrodoctopus,

(01:56:55):
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