The Empty Man (2020)

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Mike from America's hometown Horror. Hi, Hello, how we doing?
And I'm joined immediately to my left right here in
studio my other co host this evening, Catherine. Hello, Hello,
it's happening.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
How do doty?

Speaker 1 (02:46):
How do duty? Indeed? Yeah, what's doing much? Everything's good?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, I mean we just had some Chinese food, some snow.
I mean I'm feeling great right now.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Typical winter in New England right there, exactly, American Chinese
food restaurant, some strong drink, some good food and feeling cozy.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
And now I'm like, yeah, I definitely podcast and then
just go right to bed like it's a perfect evening.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well you may have noticed, dear listener, that at a
certain point of usually every episode, I might say one
particular thing that I skipped over tonight, and that is
a thank you and a recognition of our good friend
and our producer. But I will do it right now.
But dare I say our guest tonight is a massive

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horror fan, an educator, a writer, a former roommate of Cats,
a gentleman, a very good friend of ours, a friend
of the show, one hell of a model American. But
you may also know him because we mentioned him every
single week as our producer and aunofficial fourth member of
this podcast show. Please welcome our good friend, Sean O.

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Laughlin Shano. Welcome to the show, good friend.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
That that may have been the most flattering intro I've
ever gotten anywhere, probably the one with the most bullshit
infused into it, So I appreciate those. Actually, most of
those were just spewing facts, a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes, I was a roommate of Cats.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
In fact, didn't you miss it?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
You're Not Listening podcast?

Speaker 4 (04:24):
You know?

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I thank you for pointing out one of the hosts
of the You're Not Listening podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's okay. We're way behind on episodes right now.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
I think our last episode that we did was our
Christmas special, so we're behind.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Well, Kat and I were honored to be a part
of You're Not Listening Back at Haunts and Hopps this
past year. That was a really fun time.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
That was fun. That was a good time. Thank you
for having me. I'm stoked to be here. I'm so happy.
I'm just I'm just really excited to talk about horror
because I haven't gotten to do that in a long time.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
So I think the last time we had you on
we were talking about alien stuff, right, it was for
Alien Romulus, Okay, correct, So it's been a little bit
and I'm excited to have you back.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
I didn't see Alien. That was like, yeah, and they
still haven't seen it. It's probably streaming now.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
They're also not really a fan of the Alien franchise,
So I feel like, I don't know if you'd like it.
I hope you do.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Nobody's nobody's perfect.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
No, I know that, But in the same sense, i'd
still see it. It's it must is it? Do you know?
If it's streaming now?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Is it it's on Disney Plus?

Speaker 5 (05:29):
And is it on Disney Well, Disney Plus everything everything
on Hulu is on Disney Plus.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Like, if you have Disney Plus, Hulu is in there, so.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
You gotta okay, awesome, I will watch.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
So if you're paying for Hulu. If you're paying for Hulu,
cancel it. If you're also paying for Disney Plus.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
We we have Disney Plus.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Yeah, so make sure that you're also paying for Hulu
from before the merger, we also have Hulu.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Though we have both both, I think we we also
aren't taking somebody else's Disney Plus lock ins I have.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
I have both too, but I'm not paying for just
Hulu because there was some special like years ago where
if you signed up for Spotify Premium, you could like
bundle Hulu with you. You got Hulu for free, no way,
like grandfather did so like I did that, and I
created the account way back then, and so I never
paid for Hulu because I was always just paying for Spotify,

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and now I have Disney Plus. So it's like, I
don't really it's nothing makes sense. There's no rules, the
points don't mean anything, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
I'm so jealous because I've been paying for Spotify for
so long and I must have completely missed that promotion
and now I.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Think it was like a short window and it was
literally like that. That is kind of what got me
to sign up for Spotify, because I was doing the
free Spotify but I hated listening hearing the ads and stuff, and.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, so I was like, oh.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
I want to pay for Spotify, and then when I
saw that that they were like, oh, you can also
get Hulu for free.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
It was like, okay, that kind of you know, maybe
pulled the trigger.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's a solid strategy, I would say, yeah. It's also
nothing worse than when you want to be able to
put one song on after another and you get an
ad in between. Nothing worse than that.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
That's suck.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
So you actually kind of segued perfectly sean op effortlessly
because as a you know, audio file and podcast to yourself,
you're so good at that. I wanted to ask you,
since we were talking about alien Romulus, what did you
think of twenty twenty four in Horror? Good year, bad year?
Do you have some stuff you liked or didn't like?

(07:34):
I know you listen to us yap a lot, but
it's not really very often that you get to yap
on our show about what you like and don't like
in a particular year. So would you if you have
some I don't have.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I honestly don't have too much to say.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
I think it's been a good year for Horror, but
most of my opinions on the year is kind of
based on you guys, really. You know, my main outlet
for horror right now is you guys. I don't get
to see a ton of movie just because I got
three little girls. I'm a teacher, so I spend all
of my evenings either grading or planning for the next day.
And my weekends are full of like dance class and

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gymnastics and all that stuff, So I don't get a
lot of time to get out.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
But I feel like there's been like big tent pole
movies this year.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Like I feel like Nosferatu was like one of those
ones that like that's this is like a once in
a decade kind of movie. Same with like Alien Romulus
was really big for me obviously and for us. So like,
I feel like there's been stand out films, But overall,
it seems like it's been a pretty good year, although
I haven't seen a ton of a ton of the
newer stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean, I would say you're spot on, by
the way. I would say that the majority of the
stuff that we talked about on our end of year
episode just a few short weeks ago, any of those movies,
I think this year was an all time year great.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
Even for like the horror a jacent stuff like we
got a new Beetlejuice movie, Like, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Funny we've been waiting for like that.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
They make sequels to everything, but then there's someones that
it's just like, yeah, it would be cool to get
a sequel to that, even though we complain about all
the sequels, but like Beetlejuice is one of those ones
that it's always like, it'd be fun to get another
Beetlejuice movie. It's gonna be fun to get another Gremlins movie,
you know, like.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Ca so the rumors they are now working on another
Gremlins movie. But Kac can speak to Beetlejuice Beetlejuice because
we both watched it. She absolutely loved it. It was on
her top ten last year.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I did like it too, not enough to make make
it in my top ten, but it was a very
solid like legacy sequel, like or what if you want
to call those movies. It was very good. I liked it.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
What's the other one that's but you need to also
remember that like where the tail end of the key
demographic for the Beetlejuice franchise right, like right?

Speaker 5 (09:45):
And it's interesting because I feel like I feel like
we grew up differently, like that that movie came out
the year that I was born, and so like I
wasn't the audience when it came out, obviously, but my generation,
our generation grew up with like the cartoon on Cartoon
Network or Nicola, Right.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I love that. So you wait, you're you're younger than me.
I'm sorry to interrupt. You were born in eighty.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Eight, eighty eight? Yeah, oh, I.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Don't know you were. I thought you were older than
me for some reason. Wow, I'm an older.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
You know, I exude such I exude such a mature
you know, such a mature air about myself.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
You certainly do. It's not not any any sort of
shade or disrespect. Yeah, wow, I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
So so yeah, I feel like I feel like that
franchise kind of like ended with like our generation, like
because the last thing until this new movie really was
that cartoon and then you didn't really see anything Beetlejuice
until late until now so.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
And the cast was you saw Beetle Juice, right, the original?

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh no, I have not seen it. I have not
seen it.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I you were saying you had, No, I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I'm just happy that it came out.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I'm just happy that it should be your next watch. Honestly,
it's it's so.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Good, it's so good, all right, cool, great.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
It's fun. It's really fun too.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
How old like these uh seven five and three four?

Speaker 1 (11:08):
No, your seven year old might be able to handle it, yeah, honestly,
like maybe.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
She's gonna be.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
There's potential that she could be my little goth kid,
Like she loves she loves, she loves Halloween, so she'd
probably she'd probably like, we'll probably watch the first one
first with her, and I'm sure she'll like that.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
But yeah, yeah, I want to see it.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
I Like, I just wanted to emphasize that that one
because I feel like the like those are the sequels
that we want, Like nobody really wanted Ghostbusters sequels, and
they can't make it right, Like find these Find these
movies if you want to remake movies, find movies that
are like beloved for very specific reasons that that that

(11:49):
it would be one of those situations where like, I'm
not clamoring for this sequel, but I'm gonna enjoy it
because it'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Like it doesn't you're not gonna take it too seriously
you know Ghostbusters, you'd take it too seriously.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah. Well, I think that's one of the things that
the people that have directed sequels for the Ghostbusters movies
have forgotten is that Ghostbusters was a comedy. Like it's
not supposed to be spooky or scary, it's supposed to
be funny. There were more action.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's not an action movie either.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
No, no, so like, oh god. The most recent was
Paul Rudd. It was not great. I did not like it.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
I stopped watching it.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I did not like it. Sam, I am. I was disappointed.
I'm very I'm very sorry to say. And I love Ghostbusters,
the Ghostbusters.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
The Texas Chainsaw that just came out sucked, the Scream
that came out there was a remake that sucked.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Like I mean, those are things that people don't ask for.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
You're just like, don't make these nowadays because they only
have sequels to them anyway.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
Well again, and that's and that's why when we see
something like like the rumors about the new Gremlins movie
come getting in production soon, like that's really exciting because
like Gremlins was super fun and then Gremlins two was
just batshit crazy off the wall, but also super fun.
So it's like, why would you not just do something
like that, Like that's just crazy fun time. You can

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just use puppets and practical effects and it doesn't even
need to look real.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
It just needs to be a good time.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
It's an easy movie to reproduce, like so easy, and
just make it fun and just call it another sequel
and write a huge storyline and you're done.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I mean, aside from the thousands of dollars spent on
or you know, millions depending on the budget of the
audio animatronic Gremlins that they're going to use again for
this sequel, which.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, but think about the merchandising opportunities. That's the core.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, of course, so much more.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, I think I got I got a gizmo in
here somewhere.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh nice, I got one in my classroom too.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, so do you know what you're looking for?

Speaker 3 (13:46):
No, I was looking for.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
There's another sequel of something of similar sorts to be
Able Juice. People just come out in twenty five and
I don't remember what it was, and we just talked
about it, and now it's going to bother me.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
Okay, keep looking at if you don't know what that
is right away, I can talk about a couple other
non horror film things that I've been from this year that.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I was gonna I was gonna ask you what you've
been watching it, But if I may first Sean O,
I did want to ask you sincerely, uh, since you've
had so much success with your story, stay on trail. Uh.
Not only a short story that was a twenty twenty
four Killer Shorts quarter finalist, it has now been adapted

(14:29):
for an episode of the No Sleep podcast, which is
a big podcast, and it's incredible that it's gone on there.
I'm so happy for you. Congratulations. First of all, thank you,
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Did you listen to listen?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I listened to part of it. I haven't finished it yet.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
The audio production is incredible, I am it really is.
It blew my mind. It blew my mind.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
The stuff that they can do in a radio studio
for these things is just amazing to me.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
They did a really, really good job.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I've been a fan of the No Sleep Cast for
quite a while. It's so if you haven't listened to
it ever before, it's pretty much like they take short
stories and they adapt them for like almost like a
radio dramas like that type of thing, like, yeah, exactly,
produce horror short stories. So and I think it's an
awesome show if you like that type of stuff. And

(15:18):
of course Seano got his story on there, which is
absolutely incredible. So if someone does not listened to this
podcast before, Shanno, could you tell everyone a little bit
out there what they can expect if they check out
your episode and what your story is about a little
bit start.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Stay on the Trail, Yeah, yeah, sure. So Stay on
Trail is a story that I actually started writing in
one of my classes for my master's program, and I
kind of just kept working on it afterwards because I
really liked where it was going. But it's basically a
story about two hikers who are best friends and they're

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hiking a portion of the Appalachian Trail. They fall off
the trail and tumble down a hill and find themselves
lost in the mysterious patch of forest that they can't
get out of, and they eventually end up getting pursued
by some type of mysterious creatures that kind of chase
after them. And that's you're gonna have to listen to
the story for the rest of it. It's on a

(16:15):
season twenty two, episode seven of the No Sleep podcast.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
That's all I'll give you. It was an interesting process
because I I submitted the story in December twenty twenty three,
and in September twenty twenty four they got back to
me and said, we'd like to run your story, but
you need to change. I had it written in third

(16:40):
person POV and they were like, can you write.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
This in first person?

Speaker 5 (16:43):
Can you adapt it for that because that works better
for radio and all this stuff. So I kind of
had to make a couple of tweaks resent it after
a couple of days, and then I just waited.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
And it didn't come out until, you know, last month.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
So it's a long process for these kind of things,
but it was it was unreal because, like you said,
I've also I think one of the when I first
discovered podcasts when I was working back at Brigham and Women's,
which is probably around the time that I was living
with Kat. One of the first podcasts I started listening
to was the Now Sleep podcast, and I've been listening
to it for over a decade.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
So yeah, it's pretty long time.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
Pretty unreal to hear my own my own story, on
there and I, you know, I mean like the Reddit pages,
like scouring Reddit to see who's like saying anything about
my story, because this is all this online community of
for people who are like following the podcast and stuff.
So it's a it's a strange, strange thing to go through.
But you know, you're you're published writer too, you know,

(17:40):
so you've been down that road, you know, looking at
I'm sure you have scouring the internet for comments on
your articles and stuff.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
So I can't say I I'd be lying if I
said I hadn't done that before. But also all they also,
they always say it's unhealthy to read what people write
about you on the internet, so I've tried to kind
of stay away from that.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
That's right, But every every writer is a glutton for punishment.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
That's just in our nature of course.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
That's you know, if you're write or you do anything
but follow everything.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Weymouth, it's quite all things.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Plymouth is the bane of society.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Every time one of those yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's awful.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
My school district has one called speak out and it's
toxic and I should not even be in there, shouldn't
even be right.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Exactly why am I even in this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
So did they, Sean, I want to ask you a
little bit more about your story if you don't mind it.
Would they ask you to change anything else besides just
changing like the perspective when you like when they told
you they were going to run it.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
No, No, the only thing they asked me to change
was the POV.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
So that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
I I I basically just had to go through the
document anytime the the the protagonists name is Mark, so
anytime I saw just to control f for Mark, and
had changed most of the most of them to I
or me or you know, put it put it in
first person perspective, and that was really the only change.
But it did give me an opportunity to kind of
reread it, and I hadn't read it again since I

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sent it, and so I kind of made some editing
changes just that I.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Caught through that process. So I'm glad they had me
do it anyway.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Congratulations, shut up, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
You deserve all the congratulations you get, My friend, I
well deserved, well appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
All right, Well, so I wanted to talk about actually
some books that I read this year.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, go for it. I'm actually so I before you
before you go, I was gonna say, I've been, uh,
I've been trying to read a little bit more in
this new year. I finished one book already. We're in February.
I'm trying to do one book a month, maybe two,
so I'm right there.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
But nice, nice, good stuff, good stuff. I think I'm
at four or five books. But like, I'm an English teacher,
so like, what do you want.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I have to read books. It's part of my job.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
So this past year twenty twenty four, I read some
really cool books, horror books, and one of my favorites
for the whole year that I read was a book
called What Moves the Dead by T.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
King Fisher. Have you guys heard of that one?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
No, So it's pretty short.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
It's a quick one, but it's a retelling of the
Fall of the House of Usher by ed ground Pope.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Oh my gosh, did you see the the show on Netflix?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Show?

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah I did, Yeah, Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah,
but this was just a really visceral.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
This was the only time a book has ever actually
given me a nightmare. I don't really get nightmares from
things that I watch or read or anything like that.
But like, there is one scene in this book that
wasn't even a particularly scary.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Scene, but the imagery was written.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
So like richly that I actually did have a nightmare
that night about what I read in the book, which
was just an all new experience for me, which was
pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
I've never I feel like I'm in this about I've
never I've never had.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
A nightmare from a book ever. Yeah, that's why I
barely read.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
But and like I i've I've read or heard people
say like, oh that movie gave me nightmares, or like
I read that book and I couldn't sleep for weeks,
Like like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
If I believe that.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
I think you're exaggerating because that sounds right, but like
this it actually happened, and it was a cool experience.
I woke up and I was like, oh my god,
Like that was terrifying, and it was directly the book,
So yeah, pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
So what I want to ask you what it was,
but it would kind of probably give it away, right, so.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
I won't if anybody has, if anyone that's listening has
read What Moves It Dead, it was the sleepwalking scene.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I'll leave I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
It's just the the imagery was really really vivid and
really terrifying, so so that that was a really good
to highly recommend easy read. It's like probably less than
two hundred pages or if not, just over it super easy, quick,
quick read, but a novelopment. Yeah, it's yeah. I'd call
it a novella because it's a it's a recreation of
a short story, right, so you can only do so much.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
That one was cool.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
If I were to read, I would check that out.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
What is it? Sorry?

Speaker 3 (22:07):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's called What Moves the Dead by T. Kingfisher.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
And then I just finished an anthology book called Never
Whistle at Night, which is an anthology of stories written
by Indigenous people.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
So it's all.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Kind of like, yeah, I think it's fairly new. I
think it came out recently, maybe last year or the
year before. But it's a bunch of stories written by
indigenous authors, so it deals with a lot of Native
American folklore and stuff like that. But they're very modern stories,
and some of them are there's.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
A lot of like body horror and stuff. But it
was very good. It's really good. I feel like that.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, I feel like there was there are some there
are some really gruesome stuff in there. Yeah, that might
have been it. Oh, I've so I got House House
of Leaves.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Oh I think I saw you and Matt.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah, Matt, Matt rot that too. When he saw that
I was reading it, he went and got it too.
I don't know how much progress he's made. I have
made it thirty pages in and that's it.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
It's wow.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
It's it's hard to read. It's dense, it's difficult.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I feel like I need a copy as a as
a horror fan.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
But it's like that, it feels more like a trophy,
like it feels more like an artifact that you would
like look through.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
But it's someday we'll get through it.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
I just tried to go back to it. I put
it down after thirty pages and just started reading something else.
And I tried to get back to it the other
day after I finished I never sleep, Never whistle at night,
and I got through like one more page and I
just was like, I'm going to go do something else.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
I feel you, man, hey, you know what, time's fragile,
and it's not we only have so much of it,
So you read something or watch something you don't like it,
give it as much of a shot as you want,
and then turn it off and switch something else. But yeah,
so I don't know if you obviously listen to everything
that we write, but not everyone can see the video
right now. But the book that I'm showing you, which

(24:15):
Matt recommended to be come closer, SHAWNA can't recommend it enough.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
Yeah, after the last episode, I really wanted to pick
that one up.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
That might be my next read for sure.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Or you said, what was the book you said had
a really good audio version of it?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Was that you who said that? Someone?

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh, that.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Might have been that was talking about it. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
I get a lot about book recommendations. People are like,
oh my god, you're an English teacher, let me recommend
you every book I've ever read.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
So I get a lot of recommendations.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Partially, I'm always partial to books that are read by
the author. I think that's a good a good thing
to have.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
So so what this is a tangent and I talk
too much. That's why we were only five minutes in
and we haven't even mentioned the movie we're talking about yet.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
You know the course without talking about the movies.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
It's part for the course that I'm usually the one
telling you, guys, you got to get to the point.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
But it's so hard.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's so hard, I know.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
But that that sparked a really interesting conversation reminds me
of an interesting conversation I had recently about Uh, there's
an author that I really love. His name is Jason Pargin,
and he's a sci fi writer, and he he has
been on a lot of podcasts, and he's done a
lot of online videos and stuff, and so I know

(25:37):
his voice really, really well, and he's one of the
smartest people that I've ever like it, listened to or
watched or read. But and his books are really fascinating,
But his voice is very slow. He speaks very slowly
and clearly and deliberately that when I read his books,
I read it in his voice like I hear it

(25:59):
in my head. Because he writes the exact same way
that he talks, like the way that he talks, the
word choices and the cadence like it's written the exact
same way that he talks.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
And so I cannot.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
Read his books because it takes me forever because I'm
hearing his voice in my head, and it's very slow.
So I get the audio books which are read by
someone else, and I listened to him at like one
and a half time speed or two time speed. But
I love the books. I love his books. He's he's
written a Zoe ash series. He wrote a book called

(26:32):
Futuristic Violence and Fancy Suits, and its sequel is Zoe
Punches the Future in the Dick, followed by Zoe is
Too Drunk for this dystopia. It's a great series with
fantastic book titles. Can't recommend them enough if you like
sci fi and crazy batshit off the wall action stuff.
But yeah, that's just an example of like, I could

(26:54):
never listen to those audiobooks if they were read by
the author because of just the way that he speaks.
I mean, it's perfect for what he does, but it's
bad for reading.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
So fair. Yeah, the only thing I was thinking of
in reference to that. So the only audiobooks that I
own that are read by the author are Kitchen Confidential
and Medium Raw by Anthony Bourdain, and they're both read
by him, and I feel like that's the only way
to listen to them. But he has a good voice,
and he was on TV for a long time, so
I can understand that. So a lot of other people,

(27:25):
like you know, might have the best voice. So I
don't know. I feel you though, I feel you.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, that's all I have, Like lead the way. I'm done,
all right.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
I appreciate good closure.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Evert get down everyone, see you later.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Go Eagles go, Eagles fly, Eagles fly. As much as
the pains, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Wait, do you really want to get in the super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Talking about I don't really have you root for the
Chiefs Patriots.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
It hurts me root for either team.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Hurt either way. But I can't root from a home
and Kelsey. I just can't. I don't know, I hate.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I haven't even made my decision yet. I think I
don't want either one of them. I don't even want
to watch the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I'm just gonna I'm rooting for commercials. No, you know what.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
I was really excited because they secured a spot for
the new Jurassic World trailer, but then they released the.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
So like, now I'm not that excited.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
You know, it looks very interesting, I will say.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I think it looks good.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah, I'm excited to see what David. I'm glad that
they got him on board to write it.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Well, so it's interesting to me.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Gareth Edwards, the British guy. Yeah, directed monsters a couple
of other things. I'm like, give me scary dinosaur drastic part.
All right, anyway, that's what they're discussion. I know what's
what I'm hoping for as well.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
We can talk about they're going for scary.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I love going for scary.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
We can talk more about super both commercials next week.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
All right, Well, but.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
I'm excited for the troop ball. Anyways, We're gonna make
hot dogs.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
I'm so excited with mustard, with mustard and some chopped onions.

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There you go, chopped onions too. They they'll all be there.

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So excited for hot dogs. I'van Adamson summer. It's one
of those things. I'm like, let's make hot dogs.

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Speaker 1 (30:36):
All right, folks, we're back. Thanks for sticking with us
through our little commercial break there. We certainly appreciate it,
and we're here tonight to talk about a movie that
I am very excited about. What an awesome little cult
classic this movie is that is finally starting to, dare
I say, get some recognition online five years after its release,

(30:59):
because it was a casualty of many things, which I
will say I will elaborate on that in just a
little bit, and that movie we're talking about tonight is
called The Empty Man, which came out in the year
twenty twenty. The Empty Man Again, if you haven't heard
of it, is a twenty twenty supernatural horror film, co edited,
written and directed by David Pryor in his feature directorial debut,

(31:24):
based on Colin Bunn's graphic novel The Empty Man, published
by Boom Studios. Mark Pryor, by the way, has not
gotten another shot at a feature film that I've seen,
And the only other thing of note that he's directed
that I've seen would be an episode of Guiermo del
Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities, which was a TV series that

(31:45):
I absolutely loved. And I can tell you which episode
he directed because I now Kat you watched it too.
The Autopsy. You guys remember that one.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
The one with the radio, the guy playing the radio. Yep, yeah,
that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
So he directed that.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
On my coverfly page for my screenwriting stuff, the one
question to asked you was like, what is a franchise
that you would love to write in and mine? It
says I would love to write an episode of Cabinet
of Curiosities.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Oh, I know, I love and he loves Lovecraft. It's
it's so good, so good, great. Seriously, he's gonna do
more of it. So anyway. The Empty Band, by the
Way stars James Badge Dale, who is one of those
guys that you've always seen and you never would know
the name, but you've seen him and you Knowdale and
marin Ireland, and it follows an ex cop who, upon

(32:32):
investigation into a missing girl, discovers a secret cult. And
that is about as vague of a description as it gets.
I would say. I would also say, if you have
not seen this movie yet, definitely don't go in with
more knowledge than that, because this movie, despite being underrated
in the first place, does pack quite a few punches

(32:54):
in terms of twists or turns.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
You couldn't you couldn't describe.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
I have this movie like you have to be vague
because there's no way to accurately describe what's actually going
on in this movie.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's also true, there's a whole lot. There's a whole
lot by the way streaming on Hulu, streaming for the
first time in several years. I did purchase it several
years back and watch it when it came out, but
it is streaming if you have a Hulu subscription, does
have a seventy six percent critics score on Rotten Tomatoes
and a sixty one percent audience score. Had a budget

(33:30):
of sixteen million dollars and made four point eight million
dollars back at the box office, which of course qualifies
it as a box office bomb, which is unfortunate because
this is certainly a movie that was not a hit
when first released.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
How did they calculate those though? Because this movie didn't
go into theaters right This was a pandemic.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Baby, that's the thing. So there were several factors that
led to this film essentially being left for dead. A
lot of analysts blame the film low box office performance
basically on the fact that the title of the movie
itself it sounds like another creepy pasta based supernatural teen
horror film in the vein of like the slender Man

(34:13):
or The Bye Bye Man or anything like that. In
addition to that, this was dumped in theaters during COVID,
so yep, not going to make any money that way,
and there was essentially zero marketing push from twentieth Century Fox.
But one of the reasons for that was the fact
this was essentially filmed in August of twenty twenty, twenty seventeen,

(34:37):
excuse me, and it was not released until twenty twenty,
which was after twentieth Century Fox was acquired by the
Walt Disney Company. So I think the Walt Disney Company
had no idea what to do with this movie. It's
a horror movie they recently acquired, and we're like, we
do family movies, what should we do with this cosmic horror,

(35:00):
weird ass movie. And they essentially dumped it in theaters
during COVID and said, fuck you, we're all done. But
now there have been all sorts of retrospective articles about
how good this movie actually is. And that's one of
the reasons that I picked this movie. So that's what
I believe.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
When you, when you passed it on to me what
we were watching, you said, uh, listen, it's got a
really dumb title, but it's really good.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
You should watch it.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Dumb title, but you know what, when when when you
look at kind of the ending after we get to
the twists, it feels a lot more appropriate, which we
can talk about later.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Of course, Kat, this is also your first time seeing
this movie, correct, What did you think of the empty Man,
because it definitely goes from like what do you think
is going to be one type of movie in the
first like half hour, then it goes to something completely
different than it continues to evolve into something weird.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
So I am when you.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
First said this, I was like, wait, so is this
the byby Man? Because literally in them when you were
just referencing that, I was like, that's what I first
thought you were referencing when you were saying this movie,
and I was like, what is this?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I started watching this, you know.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I'm still not totally I'm still not totally sold on
this movie. It definitely evolved more than I thought it
was going to as we kept watching it, but like,
it's not great.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I mean, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, I mean I don't think there's any confusion here.
This is gonna win the Academy Award for Bess. But
it did evolved certainly qualify as a cult classic.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Though it did.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Evolve more as I watched it. That surprised me a
little bit more than what my expectations were, because.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Like at the beginning of this movie, I was like,
this movie is stupid.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
I am not like in the first like half hours,
like I'm all set with this like this is dumb.
I don't want to watch anymore. And then I was like,
I'm forced to because it's a podcast movie, so we
have to watch this and see it.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
So so of course, upon like giving it a second
chance and watching the entire film, it's not a horrible movie.
It definitely have It has its own unique like works
to it that other movies maybe lack. They're similar to this,

(37:20):
but it it kind of kept me on my toes
once I gave it a chance.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
But I feel like people if they were to just like.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Start this movie in the first half hour and then
just be like nah, I'm all set, Like I could
understand if they would just stop watching this because like
there there isn't anything that really alludes to anything that's
gonna happen later on, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
So I disagree.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I no, I think, like.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
But you were saying so like if if you had
to compare this particular movie to a different another movie,
like do you have something comparison in mind?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I mean, it's it's the same. It's the same kind
of thing where you're like, oh, you say.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Bloody Mary in the mirror three times a beetle uice
beetled Like, I mean, it's it's kind of the same thing,
and you're like, oh, this is another one of those
movies where you just say the thing like three times
peop blow on a thing and whoop do do someone's
gonna go pop out somewhere woo, Like, I mean, that's
it's basically that's definitely no.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Is that an oversimplification of the movie, Shana.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
That's okay?

Speaker 5 (38:23):
This movie kind of like has three parts to it, right, Like,
I think the first twenty minutes. Honestly, you could isolate
those first twenty minutes in the in the mountains there.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, I bet it probably started as shard It started
as a short film, was what I was going to say.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
What I was going to say is you could isolate
that and that could be its own contained short film
and it would be perfectly fine, and it would be good.
It would be like, this is a cool short little
court movie, like that's fine. I loved that beginning. I
thought it was really cool. It was not necessarily anything
like new or intriguing, but I thought they just did
a really good job.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I thought, from a filmmaking perspective, if it was really well.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Done, and if you have, if you did listen to
Stay on Trail, then you probably understand why I kind
of vibe with that with that beginning part, because yeah,
that's kind of you know, that's a that's a genre
of horror that I'm into. Is kind of the like,
you know, the Lost Wilderness kind of stuff. So that's
like the first part, and then the second part it
does dive into exactly what Kat's saying, like, Okay, now

(39:22):
where all of a sudden we're in this like urban legend,
like American urban legend, with like the teens daring each other,
which like, by the way, teens don't do that, Like
like fifth graders are the ones that do that. Like
teenage kids are not going to be on the on
the bridge being.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Like hey, let's let's do it.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Let's say, let's say the empty man's name and like
blowing this beer bottle and see if he shows up. No,
they don't care about that. That that's not so that
was kind of unrealisting. It felt very like tropy.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I have to say, if if I can interrupt for
one second, I don't ever remember being in a time
when I was like drinking beer as a high schooler
doing the like, hey, let's call the Boogeyman type thing. Yeah,
let's just drink beer and smoke.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, drink.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
But I remember being in like elementary school and like
at like your friend's house or something, and you do
like bloody Mary or something.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Too sure because like, oh.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
My my, my buddy's older sister said that she did it,
and she and you know, she saw a person in
the mirror, so like you do it just because like
it's something to do, and back then there was nothing
to do. But yeah, like that's not a thing that
that older kids do. And those kids looked like they
were in their mid twenties. So it's just that that
didn't it felt It felt a little bit. It was

(40:34):
it was a little too much, I agree, And that
was the exact sentiment that I went to Kat when
when we got to that part, like the scene on
the bridge, I was like, Okay, here we go, just
watch it urban. But then the second half of the film,
I guess the last third of the film is like
it flips completely and now all of a sudden we're
into like cosmic korr lovecrafty and religious cult kind of territory.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
And I love a good religious cult story.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I love good Man good Man and.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
I and I love the love crafty and horror like
the whole, Like you know, this is so undescribable that
there's no way that we could ever know exactly what's
going on, and like the fact that there's not really answers,
Like I love that stuff so so it's interesting that's
it's kind of broken out into these three defined sections
that are so different, but they work pretty well together.

(41:27):
I think that whole, the whole urban legend side of it, I.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Could have done without. But okay, you know, so you
need a storytelling device at some point, So.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Let me ask you this at this juncture, because I
realized I haven't asked you this yet, Shano, did you
like this movie or no?

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, I liked it.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
I really liked the beginning. I liked where it was going.
I wish they stayed in that setting. I think you
could have told a whole It would be a completely
different movie. But I think you could have told the
whole movie in that type of setting or with some
of the same characters, like have another survivor and have
her kind of lead the story. I think that would

(42:07):
have been good. Like I said, I didn't. There was
a part of me that didn't want to like it.
Once we got into that kind of second part that
I was talking about, and then it totally redeemed itself
for me, So I did. I did end up liking it,
and I liked I liked the main guy. I'm not
good with names, so I don't remember his name.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
So the actor's name is James Badge Dale, so you'd
probably recognize him from a bunch of stuff if you've.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I called it.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
I think I called it, Yeah, I don't. I didn't
really recognize him, but.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I liked him. I think he did a good job.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
He was like he had me like following him, you know,
I was, I was, I had his back, so I
was interested to see where he was going.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
So there, I did like it because I liked where
it went.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
I don't know if i'd call it groundbreaking, but it
was enjoy.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I appreciate that, Shan, I feel the same way.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
It is enjoyable. Yeah, enjoyable. Okay, all right, very good,
very good.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I love.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
I don't know when we want to start to get
into some kind of spoiler territory, Yeah, I think I think.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
We can get into spoiled territory because it's.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
How old is this movie.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
It's it's hard to talk about it's hard to talk
about things that happened in the movie without getting into
spoiler territory.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
But I love so do you guys mind if I
kind of.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Start no, go ahead, go.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
I love the idea, the idea of the Tulpa.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
That is a I guess it would be classified as
a cryptid or like a spirit or a face spirit
something like that, But that is something that I feel
like has not really been explored at all.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
In in movies.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
That is something that I just discovered a couple of
years ago from a paranormal podcasts that I listened to
where they kind of talk about different cryptids and things
like that, and one thing they did an episode on
the Tulpa, and I was like, this is so cool.
I love the idea of like this manifestation of like
if you think about something enough, it's going to be real,
Like you make it real, you completely manifest this being

(44:19):
that you are just basically putting so much thought and
energy into that it becomes real.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
And I think that is such a cool thing.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
And the fact that spoiler alert he ended up being
the tulpa Is was a cool twist. It was really
really trying to be the sixth sense, but it actually
like kind of worked.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
So I thought that was really cool, really cool thing.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
And like I said, that kind of justifies the title
of the film a little bit at the end, where
you know, we think of the empty Man as this
kind of being like this this spirit that comes and
is threatening and everything, and then at the end, like
we're really looking at him, like we realize that he
is that, Like that's what he is is He is

(45:06):
an empty man. He's just a vessel, right, he has
been this whole time, and and he is it is
a requirement for him to be this empty man that
can be filled by this spirit that It's just it
gets pretty meta.

Speaker 8 (45:19):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, it's wild. It's wild the way they end it.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, absolutely yes.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
And I think that there are some supremely creepy parts
in this movie, specifically the you know, obviously the Pont
Effects Institute stuff, the.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Yeah, wow, it's scientology, Like, let's be honest, it's scientology.
They're they're they're trying to make it feel like scientology.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I got that vibe, especially when he goes into like
the building that's like very nicely kept building with you know,
a bunch of people that are like, you know, they're
like try.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
With like a secretary and pamphlets and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, yeah, of course, yep. Yeah, that was certainly weird,
but it was a very good part of it, and
I thought that that added to the movie in a
very good way. And of course they got Stephen Root
like you know from Office Space, like, yeah, you know,
have you seen meth Capler, Like he's the one doing
these speeches, which is unbelievable. So good. That was great.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
Well, it's great because once you get into that kind
of religious cult stuff, like, it's really interesting to see
the gaslighting that happens and kind of how they go
about manipulating the minds of the people. And when you
have a protagonist that doesn't buy into it, even though
he was literally made by this organization and it's it's
almost essential that he does not buy into this so

(46:46):
that he can kind of go down the path that
he needs to go down to fulfill what they needed
to fulfill. Right, It's fascinating to see the manipulation effects
and how it works on some people that are just
there and they just they do into it versus somebody
who is pushing against it. It's just really it's I
love that kind of stuff. I think that's always always
makes a really good storytelling. So I really liked that

(47:08):
aspect of it once they brought that in.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, it always it always makes
the thing everything like that much better. And I think
this is like a really good movie that people don't
consider and it's it's really well done. There's a lot
of nuance and a lot of layers to it, and
I love this fucking movie for that reason.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
The one thing I think, the thing that's hurting it
is the the specific storytelling device that makes him go
on this journey, right like the missing his missing neighbors what.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Is it, Yeah, neighbor's daughter and he has to go
like that.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
That's the thing that I feel like that is what
gives this movie that risk of like people turning it off.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
And it's long. This is over two hours, it is.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, it's a very long movie.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
It is certainly long.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
People don't have the attention spans for a two hour
plus movie anymore unless they're really invested from the region
now for sure, Like if you're gonna go see Gladiator too,
and that's over two hours. Like, yeah, of course you're
gonna be in because it's.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
A franchise that you love, and yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
But just this spec film that came out about a
spiritual creature that no one's heard of. Let's be honest,
nobody knows what a tulpa is. And they didn't even
say that that's what it was. You you see that
that movie's you know, you get in thirty five minutes
in and it's these this urban legend thing and like, oh,

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it's a guy that is a retired investigator that needs
to go find a missing person. Like where have I
seen that in the last twenty five thousand movies I've watched. Yeah,
and you're telling me I got two plus hours of this,
Like people are gonna turn it off.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
That's my fear for that.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
I do recommend anybody that wants to watch it stick
with it because it does get really good in the
third in the last third.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
For sure. And I think specifically, like if you.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
I speak with Shanto, long movies past unless like or
like some sort.

Speaker 10 (49:16):
Of create a random horror movie, that's what you need
to have a buy in from the beginning, Like if
if Alien Romulus was two hours and forty five minutes,
I'm still gonna sit through that movie because.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I'm boy that it movies. I'm bought in to that
from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
If I went to see the slender Man movie and
I saw that that was two hours and twenty minutes,
I'm like.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I don't know if I want to do that.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
Really, I don't want to watch two and a half
hours of slender Man, sorry, Like, or if it's you know,
maybe oh wait, so.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
It's streams now because we live in this generation where
you can.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Stream, and then I'll decide if I want to stay
with it or not.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
So yeah, so I think, yeah, I think the length
it's just a little bit long, which I think could
could hurt it. And and I think they it takes
a dive in the in the middle, which could be
a detriment to it.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I completely understand that. But it's also like, I mean,
the creature at the beginning shot up as alien.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
It's terrified.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
The best it looks like the jockey. Yeah, it looks
it looks awesome, it's great, and I'm like, oh god,
what what is this? And then it's kind of like
an A plus there and the rest of the movie
is like a B B plus like C plus type think,
you know, it kind of like averages out over the rest,
and I'm like, what the like, come on, just like

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live up to that premise, show.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Me, I think.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
I think I'm putting I'm throwing a lot of shade
at that kind of second part of it.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
But I can't say it wasn't done well. I mean,
it did exactly.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
What it meant to do and it was fine, and
it's just not really anything knew that I think that's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
It's just kind of like, yeah, seen that in a
bunch of movies.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
It's fair, totally fair.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Yeah uh, but talk about like like the ritual thing
with like all those people that.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Were around the fire and then they start gone like horror.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I mean, the one thing.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Thoughts on this go ahead.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
I was gonna say, well, in this this movie, that
was the one where like all of a sudden, like
he moves in the woods and all of a sudden,
like the whole bunch like just pivots with him, right, yes, yes,
And then all of a sudden he realizes like they're
moving with him, and you're like, oh shit, like this guy.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Like you you realize there's a whole other level of like.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Things that are going on beyond what you thought maybe
going on.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Like yeah, you.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
See that there's a supernatural element to it because it's
so it's so regiment and so like reactive to him,
and everybody is exactly the same, and so it's like
that really solidifies, like there really is something that is
paranormal going on with this situation.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
It's not just in my head.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
And I loved his reaction in that scene. I love
like this is what I was saying, Like he did
a really good job with that character. Is he just
like he he maintained this persona throughout the whole thing,
Like when they like pivoted like you said, you know,
they shifted their weight or something, they like took a
step at the same time, and he just goes he
just like he nopes out of there. He literally just
goes nope, turns around, it runs Like I loved it.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I thought that was great.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah, that was awesome.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
That was like one of the one scenes in the
entire movie that I was just like, that's amazing, And
it's yeah, it's wild from start to finish, like because
he's just like realizing that.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
They like his whole It was. It was great. It
was perfectly shot, it was perfectly active, like and.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
It kind of set a tone for like what is
going to be happening next in the movie.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah for a while I mentioned it.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
Yeah, Oh, I was say like for a while, like
you knew there was some cauldy thing and then all
of a sudden, like that scene really solidified that, like
there's something serious going on here.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Like I said it before, I love the religious cult stuff.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
Like I'll watch the documentaries on religious cults all day
and whenever you can infuse that stuff, like when what's that?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Oh, what's that? While she's worms movie that came out
not too long ago. The Void, the void or the void,
you know what they look out and they see the
people in the robes and stuff. It's the void.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
I'm talking about the Void. Yeah, And like I love
that stuff. I think that stuff is so cool. It's
so threatening and terrifying. It's faceless, but it's people, so
like it's you know, it's one of those things where
it's like it would be scary if these were like
creatures or monsters, but they're people. And when they when
they start moving in unison like that. It is really

(54:09):
really upsetting, you know, it kind of just gets under
your skin. And I was telling Kat I loved the
reaction of just like nope, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
No, he just bolts like that's the right thing.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
Like don't stay there and watch and like be all
curious and like go towards it and try to learn more,
Like no, you did the right thing.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Nope, fuck this, I'm gone. Like that was awesome.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
You love to see that in a horror movie, just
from like watching basic Stream, like the rules of like
a horror movie. Like you love to see when actually
someone's like nope, I'm all sad.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I'm gone. It's dreshing.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
It is refreshing. It is it's really refreshing.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Again, I've mentioned this before, but I think I think
a movie that you guys need to look at on
this is is Leslie Vernon Behind the Mask. That is, uh,
you should definitely watch that, And I'd be happy to
come on and talk about that because it does a
lot of the same thing kind of like looks at
the tropes and why they happen and what why certain
things are important for people to react in certain ways.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
And all this stuff. It's really interesting. So well.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
I mean, that's that's why I love Cabin in the Woods.
Cabin in the Woods one of my favorites for that reason.
It's so good.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yeah, that was that was pretty grounded.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
The first time I ever saw Cabin in the Woods,
I'll never forget. I saw it in theaters.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Blow.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Yeah, I saw it in theaters, absolutely mind blowing. I
wish I could have that experience again. I was talking
to one of my one of my students the other
day who had never heard of The Matrix. He didn't
know anything about the Matrix, and I just said, listen,
you are so lucky right now, because I would give
anything to be able to have that experience of watching
that movie for the first time again.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Not knowing anything about it.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
And it's the same thing with Cabin in the Woods
for sure, Like that is a moment that like you
would love to experience that again, not knowing anything. And
then the second that they like go down into the
basement and you start to figure this.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I was like, oh my god, this is the coolest
thing ever. Like, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
I absolutely love you for saying that, But I also ask,
just because you know, you're two years younger than me. Now,
I know that is what. At one point, do we
just get to the point where we're like, you know,
we're telling people about these movies and we're like, wow,
we're just old people just yelling at clouds.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
I feel like that that point, right, I feel like
that every single day.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, oh right, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
I mean everyone looks at us being like like all
the time, we're not so it's not no, no, we're
not boomers. We're not like I we're oh we're not yeah, no,
we're not ick.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
We're we're full of, well for full on millennial cringe.
And it's fun. Like, as a teacher, you realize how
much fun it is to be just totally cringey and
embrace it as much as you can because it just
doesn't like you get to that point where you do
not care anymore, and I do not care about being
cool and school kids. It is a freeing experience.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
It's the best I'll imagine, the best I can imagine.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
I can be as cringe as I want and they
will roll their eyes all day and I'll say, you
know what, they probably all love you to roll your eyes,
but you know what, you're failing my class right now,
So go read.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Mister is my favorite teacher. He's the coolest one. He
lets us read like the cast Mantiado. Let's go.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
We didn't read cast now, we we read. We read
a bunch of Poe though.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Castle Mantiato was a Jeopardy question that was on in
my basement a night or two ago, and somebody called
it Monti and I was just like, oh my god.

Speaker 11 (57:46):
That was a guy on Jeopardy And I was like,
wait this guy, Jesus, whoa loser?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Idiot? Stupid face? I know that one? And you don't?
Do you want to hear about some other movies from
the year twenty twenty of our Lord for horror movies?
So before we sign off tonight.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
JOHNA, uh yeah, sure.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
I mean does anyone do you guys have anything else
to say about this movie? I mean we didn't really
talk about the ending too much.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I kind of.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
Just just kind of like jumped over it.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
You can certainly talk about the ending if you'd like
to go for it.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I mean, why do that. We don't need to get
into too much. I just think it's it was interesting.
I'm glad that budget. Jesse came back talking about mm hm.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
It was.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
It was cool to see budget Jesse Pinkman come back
at the end, you know, in the hospital bed.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
I love you, Budget Jesse Pinkman.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I love Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
Well he looked like he looked very in the beginning.
He looked a lot like him. But yeah, it was.
It was interesting to kind of reveal. I feel like,
if if anyone were to write a movie about a tulpa,
you know, if we're learning about what this being is,
the first thought wouldn't be for me. If I was writing,

(59:00):
my first thought wouldn't be to make my main character
be that creature, be the person that was manifested into existence.
This guy was only a few days old, and he
was his all of his memories and all this, you know,
this issues with his wife was all kind of like
just thought up by someone, and he was just gas

(59:23):
lit for those three days that he was in existence,
and it was just I thought it was really fascinating.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
It was a really cool sixth sense ish twist that
I didn't see coming.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
And I feel like if I was to write a
story about this type of creature, that's not where I
would have gone with it. So I just wanted to
make sure that We gave some props out to the
filmmakers for that, because it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Oh for sure. Like, I thought this was a very intuitive,
very interesting ending that did not go where I thought
it was going to go the entire time. And I'm
sorry you cut out a little bit. I don't know
if it's my internet or yours, but yeah, it's it's
definitely a huge twist that when the first time you

(01:00:07):
see you're like, holy fuck, like Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah,
what do you think about it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Agreed?

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Yes, that's all I mean, you guys, You guys put
it into a pretty good perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
I don't feel like I need to church much more.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
I mean, if you haven't seen the movie and you've
listened to this whole thing, and uh, we spoiled it
for you, first of all, first of all, that's your
own fault. But second of all, like it sounds really
like deep and confusing and kind of like convoluted and
complicated and other c words that we can come up with,
but it's really it's really not like it's it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
You're not going to be confused.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
It's not if it unfolds like a horror movie like
the like the third act of a horror movie. It's fine,
Like you can follow it. It's hard to describe though,
because you kind of have to watch it to understand it, right,
So it is kind of a weird thing where like
it's it's not that complicated when you're watching it, but
then when you try to talk about it, it feels

(01:01:08):
really really complicated.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
So yeah, like throw that out there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
That's a great So it is, like, I mean, that's yeah,
that's why I'm like, I was bored with it. I
kind of wasn't feeling it, and then I was forced
to keep watching it, and I kind of liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
By the end of it. It was great, Like I
mean that was it was an evolution of.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Feelings throughout the movie, because I feel like it was
there were so many pieces, like there were so many
segments of the movie that were just so different, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Feel like it's very jarring when you watch the first
like you know, twenty five thirty minutes of the movie,
and then you watch the next thirty minutes of the movie,
you're like, where the fuck is this going to tie in?
And all of a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Sudden, yeah, You're like, oh.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
I get well, I'll say this When I watched that
beginning and they show uh, you know, budget Jesse Pickman
blowing into that little flute thing that he's got, I
was like, what does that have to do with anything?
Like is he just being weird because he's like, you know,
got some he's got some possession thing going on with
like an indigenous spirit, and it's this is is this
some like instrument that they had back then?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Like I'm gonna kick? And then the second that the
girl was like they say, if you blow into a
beer bottle and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Do this, and then I was right, so so fat,
like I feel bad for whoever who wrote this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Because I wasn't making attention. I'm apologies, you know, ignoring
those the whole way this was directed in the sense
that they started with that being like, oh, you blow
into this bottle and you say bye by Man and

(01:02:49):
you think buy by Man.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
I was like, you have lost so many people just
in this one scene and the movie is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Barely started, Like I feel like it's so REPETI it
was just.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
That whole scene was so I hated it because I
was like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
It really did hurt it, It really.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Was, I really did.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, it was it was.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
It was d David the director was the writer is
a writer director.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
David Pryor wrote it with Culin Bunn, who I've never
heard of.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
But that's the problem with writer directors is like if
you are the writer director, then you don't see what's
missing or what's weak in your story. You need another
set of eyes that is like someone else that is
taking your product and producing that to be like this

(01:03:43):
doesn't work. But if you're producing your own work, to you,
everything works because you made up the story and it
makes sense in your mind right, So that I feel
like that's an issue that you see with with writer
directors for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Yeah, that it was hard even because like and then
I'm also saying, I'm like, it's on a bridge. It's
kind of similar to the way that it's shot, like
what it was shot, Like, I'm like with the girl
and the bridge, and I was like, this is way
too basic, like it was it didn't fill any sorts
of unique and like that was the one part that

(01:04:15):
really kind of was like, Oh, I was getting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Did you guys watch what was it Butterfly Kisses? Did
you watch Butterfly Kisses?

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Butterfly Kisses? Why do I feel like I have but.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
That's yeah, so we did it on the podcast, right,
we Didfly Yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
So we did but on the podcast, and.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
I know it was it was it was an Android pick, yeah,
like that was the one where where you're it was it.
I feel like I was getting flashbacks to Butterfly Kisses.
I feel like I don't know why, Like was that
one on a bridge where you're looking through a camera
and you try to get and I feel like just
that bridge setting at nighttime, my mind just kept thinking

(01:04:59):
back to Fly Kisses and like they did it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
So much better. They did the bridge at night urban
legends so much better. Exactly it's in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Does an all time jomb scare too? By the way,
Butterfly Kisses twenty eighteen, that's the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
But that's ultimately like I mean, you're right Chauta, where
you're like, wow, I feel like I was doing this already,
and I feel like I've even seen other movies that
are very similar on that, and I'm just not really
taken aback by any of Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
And if you establish the world, if you establish a
world where like it's normal for these types of characters
to be doing this thing, right, like in Scream, right,
Scream always explores the tropes and everything, but like that
world that they build is just a little bit exaggerated.
It's like it feels like a cinematic world, Like you

(01:05:56):
try to ground them in this cinematic world.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
It's a little bit exaggerated.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
And this felt like it was really trying to ground
itself in reality, which did not make it work. Like
you need to establish a world where like it would
make sense for kids to be acting this way because
everybody acts a little bit like they're in a movie,
you know. But I felt like they were trying really
hard to make it feel like realistic, and I was
just like, Butterfly Kisses did it better?

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I Yep, I agree, that's a good movie. Butterfly Kisses
can't lie, but.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Not sign I have. That's the first thing I always
thinking of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
But yep, what's what's the best music you've listened to recently?
You would be an expert on that, well, audio file yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
I just discovered this guy. Actually, let me get my
Spotify up. I just discovered this guy recently named I
can't think of it Josh morning Star. He does a
song called Jerry Lee writing about Jerry Lee Lewis, and

(01:07:05):
it's really really pretty cool. It's kind of dark and
kind of creepy sounding, but it's got a really cool
groove to it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
So I've been listening to some of his stuff. Uh
and I honestly have been listening to a lot of
aggressive punk rock music.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
This is gonna be, It is gonna be. The next
four years are gonna be good for punk rock. And
I created a a list on Spotify if anybody wants
to join the movement. I created a public playlist on
Spotify called.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Music for what is it?

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
Music for punching fascist billionaire tech bros.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Yeah, So I've been listening to a lot of that stuff.
So like so, like you've seen green Room.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
The song that the band plays in green Room Nazi
Punk's Yeah, that's a that's a dead Kennedy song like
that was one of the first songs that we added
on there, so like you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
By the way, yeah, yeah, so so good. I've been
listening to a lot of that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
But my top songs on my Spotify rapped were all
from the same album. And uh it's a Spanish love
songs album, No Joy, which came out a couple of
years ago. Uh, it's a it's a banger, all killer
and no filler. Every song is fantastic and the whole
thing kind of tells a story. So it's a that's
a highly recommend one if you're into kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
That pop punk sound.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Nice, That's what I got.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
What have you been listening to?

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Why are you asking what I'm listening?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Because I just asked Sean today.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Today I was working into earthy, crunchy things. Beatles they
were back, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Beatles, you know just what a Grammy?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
They just want me from what they They just want
a Grammy.

Speaker 5 (01:08:50):
Yeah, so do the Rolling Stones because the Grammys can't
evolve into modern times.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
I've stopped watching all of the award shows. They're like, yeah,
me's around, this is it. I'm like, I, you know what, I.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Don't even care who's on the red car, but I
don't care what they're wearing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
I don't know they're too masturbatory.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
It doesn't matter to me. I don't want to watch
any of those shows anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
I was just but hurt because I am a full
on green day Stan I have been my whole life,
and the fact that they last year released probably their
best album since American Idiot and they got beat by
the Beatles.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Who have not played together in decades.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Was just yeh, that's yeah, that's that's I just caught
myself three different times. I want to be known. That's insane.
I'm not even a Green Day fan. That's insane because
the Beatles have not been a band for I mean,
my god, how long long time.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
Yeah, they like they like discovered some unreleased tracks or
something and released them and then oh they look they
won like best.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Minimum ridiculous money money.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
But I was listening to Beatles and things in Zeppelin,
Cream and Jefferson Airplane, Jimmy Hendricks whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
I've been y playlist that I like, my little playlist.
So I've been listening to that a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
O word.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
What about you talk about Smashing Pumpkins, Alison Chains, I.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Can't do the tonight tonight and uh are you asking
my preference?

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
No, I'm asking what you've been listening to. I just
assume that you've been listening to the same stuff for
every oho.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Oh god, yeah that's Deftones and that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
So I'm going to two different concerts this year already
that I know of Queens of the Stone Age in
June at the MGM Music Hall. Never been to that
venue before.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
Of you, Oh my god, I've been to three shows there.
Bro That room sounds amazing and it's the cleanest concept
you'll ever go to because.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
It's so I've heard it sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Where are you sitting?

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
So I haven't been on the floor, but I've heard
that the floor is very, very loud.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
I've heard there's no bathrooms and the drinks are stupid expensive.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
I have had seats on this in the second level
and it sounds like you're listening to a recorded album.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
It sounds incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
I have also had seats on the upper level all
the way in the corner, right in front of the speakers,
and it was the loudest, the second loudest show I've
ever been to, just because I was like, those seats
are directly in front of the speakers, so it was
so it was wicked, wicked loud.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
But if you're in the seats on the second and
third level, there is easy access to bars and there's
even food that you can get right there, and it's
really easy to get to if you're in those sections. Uh,
and there's there's so many places to get drinks that
you don't really wait, which is pretty cool like that.
I have not experienced a show on the floor there,

(01:12:03):
so I don't know what that is, like, I can't
speak to that. The thing that I don't like about
it is they do the merch tables in the entrance way,
like in the foyer, which is small and gets very crowded,
so like if people are trying to get merch before
or after the show, it's like a kind of like
a shit show because it's the entrance that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Anyone can go in.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
It's like it's like, you know, you don't have to
give your tickets before you see the merch, so it's
like out there in the open where everything's going on,
which is kind of frustrating. Gotcha, I don't know if
you're a big merch guy, I like to I like
torch usually.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
So the two shows I'm going to so Queens of
the stone Age. First, second show Deftones at TV Garden,
which a Queens of the stone Age from last year,
got canceled because Josh Hami apparently something happened to him,
may have some emergency surgery, so he's back touring now.

(01:12:58):
That's the rescheduled date.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Dave Girl doesn't play drums for them on tour, No
got it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Can you imagine the only time I've seen Dave Girl
live he was he broke.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Was that when he was on the throne.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
Yeah it was in a concert to remember for sure,
but he did.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
He kicked ass.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
But you know, I mentioned that that the show that
I went to MGM was the second loudest show. I
think you'll appreciate this. The loudest show that I've ever
been to. I saw Saliva at a small venue in
at a small venue in Delaware.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
It was not show.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
They had an amazing opener called Stereo Graham, who was
really good, but they were not good, and it was
just the most ear splitting volume I have ever experienced.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
It was that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
But there was one day, I'm looping this back into
like Plymouth thing. Mike and I were on the couch
and I just watching TV and like, I'm scrolling my
phone and I was like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
What, We're still podcasting?

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Just I know, what's the matter.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Nothing, go go go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
I was just scrolling my phone.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Oh my gosh. Saliva is at the Spire Center tonight
at like seven thirty and it was like seven o'clock.
I was like, you want to go? And he's like no,
but he's like Saliva. I was like, yeah, like Saliva,

(01:14:40):
that Saliva. But I was like he's like Saliva. I'm like, yeah, Saliva.
Like the band Saliva is at the Spire Center. He's
like what And it's like a church downtown.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
So the acoustics.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
We actually saw a band there. One of his friends
wanted to come down and see a bandit. They really
liked it was playing there, and we went and saw
it and it's it's it's church. They have hughes, but
they use it as a concert venue.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
And imagine why am I remembering this is a podcast?

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
I know, I'm just saying that I remember that show
and like the acoustics in that room, and I can
only imagine Saliva in that room, with Seano even saying
that they were that loud that they probably blew up that.
I'm surprised he didn't blow up one of the stained
glass windows in the Spire Center with like just the

(01:15:41):
amount of sound that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
They would have wasn't It wasn't a great show what
I saw.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
I'm sure they're not great. Why are you saying that?
I should?

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
You still want to talk about other movies that came out.
If you want to bring it back, we can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
We today.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Yeah, that's ready to go to bed.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
He's gonna go dream.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Yeah, exactly, Yes, click click boom, yes be to click
click boom.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Folks. Hey, hey, oh, I have to say terrible nice.
Uh So, my name is Mike and I've been hosting
this adventure tonight. I've been joined by Kat and our
good buddy Seano. This has been another episode of america
solm Sound Horror. Thanks so much for joining us. We
certainly appreciate it, and uh I think at this point

(01:16:36):
we're gonna quit while we're ahead. Say good night, and
we'll talk to you all later and we'll see you
on the flip tad later. Bye.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Hey hey everyone, it's Mike from America's Hometown Horror and
I want to say thanks again for listening to another
episode of our show.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
If you're interested in more local Plymouth.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Podcasts, I'd highly recommend you check out the show from
our friends over on the Inebriat podcast Network. In addition
to America's Hometown Horror, you can find shows from Inebriart,
the Old Colony Cast, Bar Talk, theme Park Legends, and Retrodoctopus,
So head on over and give them a listen.

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