The Monkey (2025)

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Speaker 1 (01:16):
All right, folks. Hello, Hello, howdy, and welcome to another
episode of America's Hometown Horror. My name is Mike, and
I'll be hosting you this evening as we discuss one
of I would say the most anticipated movies of the
short year that is twenty twenty five so far, which
of course is The Monkey, which we will get to
in a lot more detail here in just a little bit,

(01:36):
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Hopefully we sound good either way, I'm sure Shaana will

(03:03):
make us sound good. So anyway, now that I have
that stuff out of the way. I'm joined by my
usual degenerates here this evening. Catherine and Andrew, Hello, Hello,
how are you good? Evening? Lady gentleman's just watching christ
an elbow right off the dome everywhere. I don't really
know what the hell you guys are looking at, because
my back to the TV, I was like, why is

(03:24):
there blood all over the place pouring out of his foreheads?
Because basketball? Basketball talk right, horror and basketball, all right,
we're pivoting to that up right now.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
It's just like, why is there blood on his head?

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I'm like, oh my god, Ye, sounds like a pretty
grizzly injury, which kind of goes turn and turn with
the movie that we're going to be talking about tonight.
Lots of grizzly and gory endings met by a lot
of the characters here, Plenty of blood. Grizzly Adams did
have a beard. Grizzly Adams did have a beard, indeed,
And of course I would be remiss if I did
not mention that we have a special guest in studio

(03:59):
here with us again this evening. It's his second appearance
within the last couple of months, and as I introduced
him the last time that he was on the show.
You may know this man is a chef about town,
that town being America's hometown itself, Plymouth. Currently a free
agent chef at the moment. No, I'm running the Edge
Pizza Show. That's right. I'm sorry for being out of

(04:21):
the loop running the Edge Pizza Shop. You might also
know him from the Tasty Meraboat, the Pine Hills bal
these in Lake for the Lobster Trap and born the
creator of Wisdom Ferments, and the former head chef at
Chicku Hotpot Downtown one hell of a model American and
friend of the show, Mike Wisdom Dude, of course, also
signing cook with Wisdom now too, a little private chef
company I got going. Yeah, excellent. I have to say,

(04:45):
seeing the snaps of the food that you've been making
on Instagram and Facebook, dude, everything looks so good. Thank you. Yeah.
And I swear to God, I'm not just kissing your
ass because you're on the show now having eaten your food.
It's very very very obvious that you know what the
hell you're doing.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
So it's the only thing I'm good at. That and
watching horror movies, Yes, yes, and talking.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
About horror movies on our show, which you're also very
good at there. You were so good the last time
we had John, which when we talked about Killer Clowns
from out of Space that we decided to have you
back for another one. This is a very hot topic
in the horror community tonight with the Monkey, which it's
it's funny I saw Cioto's last night because the Tiota's
brothers directed Killer Clowns from Outer Space, so it's kind
of all full circle. Yeah, speaking of Killer Clowns from

(05:26):
Space that we haven't talked since that they're doing it. Yes,
So apparently it actually is not a bullshit article. And
Andrew sent it and I was like, that can't be.
I think I said it to you too. Yeah, you
did that. Apparently Ryan Gosling is and talks to executive
produce or produce them, so cool. Was it a reboot

(05:47):
or it's a sequel? It's a sequel, It was aeque
I think so. I don't think it was a reboot
because it has to be a sequel the way it ends.
I feel like the Kyoto brothers have been trying to
make a sequel since the movie came out and apparently
there was a deal with the sci Fi Channel at
one point turn it into like a sequel on the
Sci Fi Network, and I don't know. It got all
kinds of legs when it was featured at Halloween Horror
Nights on both coasts a while back, and then you know,

(06:08):
killer clowns are very popular again, so I'm surprised it's
taken this long for it to kind of get back
off the ground because it's such a good movie. It
really is perfect, a piece of eighties B movie cheese
that's just great, and I'm fucking happy that's finally getting
the recognition that it deserves. I love it, Ryan read
you love you know. It's funny because we're gonna talk

(06:33):
shortly here about another uh movie. That was another horror
movie that was almost produced by Ryan Gosling and starred
Ryan Gosling, but ultimately did not end up happening, And
I wonder if the movie would have been better if
he was actually in it. But I'll put a pin
in that for a second here, so I know, yes,
yes you do. So, Mike, what else has been going

(06:53):
on in your life since the last time we talked?
My friend, it seems like You've been shake in and
doing a lot of cooking, a lot of cool stuff
around town. Yeah. Last time I was here, I did
not I did not have a job. I didn't have
a full time job. But now yeah, I'm working almost
full time at the Edge. I'm running that, I'm doing
private chef events. I have an Oyster pop up coming
up at the Edge on Monday with Bumping Brian, and

(07:14):
then May third, I'm catering my friend's hardcore show in Providence,
Cooked Alive, Held Captive, a couple couple of hardcore metal bands. Cool.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
The week after that, I'm doing a pop up dinner
with my friend Tyler and a flavor profile catering on
your I'm literally all over the place.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah. So yeah, June first, I'm doing a taco pop
up at Untold Brewing in Plymouth. Oh okay, well maybe
we'll have to pop in for that one then if
we're not away for Cat's birthday. Yeah, which very well,
see that for the month. Yeah's birthday. Cat's birthday lasts
from June first until August thirty. Fist, that's actually how
I treat my birthday. Yeah, my birthday is May ninth,
and I'm like it's May. It's my birthday. I don't

(07:52):
give a fuck. Yeah, all of j there you go.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
His brother is like the end of June, and I'm like, hey,
we canna have a joint birthday party. No, we can't.
Your birthdays at the beginning, at the end.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's a right, It's fine.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
And sometimes my birthday is on Mother's Day, so I
just I just decide when I want to.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
You know, enjoy my breakout. Sorry, it's your sorry, mom,
it's your deal with it. It's your birthday. You can celebrate.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
However, the actually starts kind of.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
A memorial the weekend, like leading up to my birthday, potentially, depending.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
They were already talking about your birthday is annoying.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
It's your birthday right now, and I have my birthday
first and then and then we'll move to you know,
we're way closer to Mike's.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Out of yours right now.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's coming though.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
So for those who may not know, The Edge, by
the way, is which is pizza that I love? Detroit
style pizza. Tell people about it a little bit. So
it's a rectangle pizza.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Detroit style means it's cooked in a stainless steel pan
and then has crispy cheese along the edges and the
sauce goes on top when it comes out, which sometimes
throws people off.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
But I think if you like pizza, you'll like it. Right.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
We're open every day but Monday Tuesday right now, and
you should come eat pizza and hang out because it's
a cool spot.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
In your garlic bread, garlic dipsticks. It's all good. Yeah,
it's delicious. It's good stuff.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
I thought The Edge was a Wilderness movie starring Anthony Hopkins.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
We had Edge pizza last time when at the last
Hanson Hopps when I went to do the.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
I think it was no.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
We went we got Edge Pizza takeout because is right
across from sour' not sorry when.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
That's right? That's right?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Okay, Oh my god, I'm totally drying a blank.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
It was a documentary Penny Wise, the story of it.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, caught him out. I missed that, actually, yeah, I
remember seeing that. That's one of my favorite movies too.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
It was really good. And the guy who directed I
forget his name to you.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
It would have been somebody.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, it would have been nice if somebody told me
about it.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
But so We're not sorry is awesome too, like I
feel like that's a low key.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Like it's a great ye. Yeah, the beer is certainly
very good at Sour Not Sorry. Another another friend of
our show, We're not Sorry. Colin is a great guy,
very nice and uh it's a really cool spot. It
is yeah, down like down in the basement, like below
kind of where Kogie is.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, they don't really have like a sign out front.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Besides just a little signage is weird. Sometimes can't be
having like any neon signs or anything like that, especial
Plymouth Historical, certain color Park, Plymouth take over the town, right, Yeah,
and then we're allowed to talk about them. They know
my card, dude, Like, come on, there's a.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Lot of reasons why we can't talk about park.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Certainly, certain we can plenty of years we can. We
can talk about that offline. Sure, they're good people. We
sold our souls to them this year.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
That app that you pay for is also.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
I just got my past because I just had to
bite the bullet. One hundred and fifty bucks for the year,
which after like two months pays for its self, but
still one hundred and fifty bucks.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
One hundred fifty I will not go because you had
the park down there and I worked five days. Oh yeah,
so it's and that's just for the lots. That's fucking rude.
Well there's tears of it too.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
I could have got one hundred and twenty dollars one
but I can't really park wherever I want, So there's
different tiers.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I'll take it. How about if you live in Plymouth,
you don't have to pay for ship for you tax
How about that Plemouth so awesome? Fuck you, we love you, Plymouth, Plymouth,
fuck you. The same thing.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Really, the taxes, the parking, it sucks there, like the
company is awesome.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
The horror of the horror of the real world in
park Plymouth. But you guys want to talk some some
horror movies and horror stuff, Yes, I want to do
that always. Yep. So in terms of it's been a
couple of weeks since we've recorded, I do have a
couple of things that I've watched since we last spoke
that I do want to talk about. Anybody else have
anything they want to get to before? Do you want
me to go first watch it?

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Watch list?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
That's what I was just kind of alluding to. Yeah, yeah,
I can I can start I can start off if
you'd like, And I know there's a couple of things.
I'll go last with the thing that Kat and I
have been watching jointly, which is kind of horror, but
it's like, dude, it's it's fucking so bleak and it's
so good. But anyway, so all right, a couple movies
that I've watched. I've been step stepping up my effort

(12:17):
to kind of get into twenty twenty five horror now,
so this is now the monkey is. I've watched three
big release twenty twenty five horror movies. First one I
watched a couple of weeks ago was Companion, which is
a newer movie that was produced by Zach Kraigor who's
the guy from Barbarian wasn't directed by him, but it

(12:39):
definitely has the same vibe as like Barbarians. So if
you like if you like that movie, you'll probably like this.
And obviously it's a very topical plot because it involves
ai and bots. But essentially this is the movie that
stars Dennis Quaid's kid and so Thatcher from Yellowjackets, where

(13:02):
this isn't necessarily a spoiler to say, because it's in
the marketing and in the trailers, but essentially Jack Quaid,
Dennis Quaid's son is a guy that essentially buys this
or rents this AI full functioning girlfriend robot that's played
by Sophie Thatcher and takes her on a vacation. And

(13:26):
I'll leave it at the fact that chaos ensues at
this cabin with a bunch of his friends and their
girlfriends when Sophie Thatcher kind of gets off her leash
a little bit, and I'll leave it at that. But
I really liked this movie a lot, very good and
Sophie Thatcher, by the way, kind of turning herself into

(13:46):
a little bit of a screen queen here. Oh yeah, okay,
between so Yellowjackets obviously now this movie. She was in
The Boogeyman, she was in Heretic. Yeah, we talked about
hetic was great. So she's thinking of Barbie. Oh yeah,
so she's she's a great actress. She's awesome in this.
She kind of does that like a very good, very

(14:06):
good role where she's like kind of flicks a switch
like that and it's like she goes from one dynamic
to the other like zero to sixteen about two and
a half seconds. Very cool role, very cool movie. I'd
be interested to hear what what you I really think
I love that was, so I also think Kat that
I think that I think you would really like this

(14:29):
a lot too. It's it's funny and it's it's not
really scary. It's kind of more of like like like
a suspense thriller, psychological horror mystery type thing. It's very cool.
So definitely check out Companion. I believe it's streaming somewhere now,
you said Andrews on Paramount. Plus, I can't remember where
I paid like five, you can't find it. You can

(14:55):
pay It's on Max. It's on Max. Okay, all right?
So yeah, so I watch Companion, And then the next night,
I believe Kad had a work event, and after I
put Bridget down, I watched The Wolfman, which is the
latest offering from Lee Oneell, who obviously wrote and directed
the first also wrote co wrote the first Saw movie.

(15:16):
He directed the awesome Invisible Man movie a couple of
years ago. He's also done like a bunch of other
really good horror movies. They're all slipping my mind. And
he do like the No not malignant No, No, that
was James want James won. But Leewanel and James Want so, yeah,
they've all worked on those together. They're like they're like

(15:36):
writing partners. So obviously this is a reboot of This
is Universal. So basically Leewanell did the Invisible Man and
Universal kind of gave him the keys to say, hey,
you want to do another Universal Monster movie and do
your interpretation of the Wolfman. And this was disappointing. Yeah,
I agree, you saw. I actually watched it a couple
of days ago.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
It was it didn't really hold my attention, no, which
it's kind of hard to do anyway because ad H.
But I think I was expecting a lot more from it. Yeah,
especially with that main actress I forget her name, but
from Ozark. Yeah, Julia Garner wasn't as good as I
thought she was gonna be either.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
It was a very very flat role for her. She's
a good actress. And this was the one that I
was referring to earlier. This was supposed to be produced
by and star Ryan Goslings. Oh yeah, he backed out
of it at the last minute for some reason. Gone, well,
so yeah, I I I love Universal Monster stuff, I
love Werewolf stuff, and it just it it didn't work.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
For me.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I won't spoil a whole lot, but I would say
this is very So. It's the guy that is like
John Snow's doppelge. His name is Chris Abbott. He's been.
He's another guy that's been a ton of ship. He
was in the first season of what was the Jessica
Bill Bill Pullman show, The Sinner. He was in the
center the first season. He played Jessica Biel's husband possessor.

(16:56):
He was that's right, so he's yeah, he's one of
those guys you see me like.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
They just mailed it in because and he he was
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Like this movie has a lot more in common i'd
say with like not in terms of the same quality,
a lot more in common with like the Cronenberg Fly
movie than it does a were wolf movie. It's much
more of a were wolf as a sickness type thing

(17:26):
than it is as like a transformation. It's almost like
the whole movie is that there is not there's not
like one transformation scene like an American werewolf in London
or Howling. Right. I feel like he's just he's just
consistently transforming throughout the entire movie and the look.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
So he's slowly turning into a wall. Yeah, and like
not just like when there's a full moon or whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
There's some there's some cool stuff in there, but like
the ultimate look they decided on for the quote unquote
wolf Man. I also did not like, I don't know what.
I did not love it.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, it was not It was not that great and
anything you know where wolves, vampires all that ship like
give me that, you know, And I was excited to
watch it, and uh, yeah, it was a letdown down, just.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
More proof than I guess that The The Wolfman, with
like Benisiana del Toro, was extremely underrated.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
I don't know why that movie got such bad rat
it's a good love that because critics are fucking more
on That's what we've learned over the years doing this podcast,
the even Wrottens in general.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
So those are the two big horror movies that I
watched since we last recorded two other quick hits I'll
mention real quick. So I've been trying to read more
and also listen to more audio books this year, and
I re read quote unquote actually listened to the Shining
audiobook and it's the first so I actually read the Shining.
I've read it twice, and the last time I read
it was in college for research project. And it's the

(18:45):
first time I've read it since college. So it's been
over it's been seventeen No, it's it's been seventeen years
since I last read it first time as a father. Yeah, yeah, right,
I believe funny, but yeah, for first time since reading

(19:06):
it as a father. Oh man, this is just a
really upsetting, really disturbing read by the guy from Wings
and the guy that was in the mini series. So
the guy Stephen Weber, step Stephen Weber played Jack Tarrance
in the Shining mini series and the guy that reads
the audiobook sounds just like Stephen Webber Campbell Scott. I
believe that, and it's just I can you know, it's

(19:30):
very good. But you can also you can see in
rereading the book why Stephen King hates the Kubrick film
so much, because Jack Tarrance is so much more of
an actual character in this and just a flawed human being,
like struggling being sober, and he's like he has anger
management issues and he's had a couple of things that

(19:50):
have just fucked up his life and he's trying to
get back on the on the right track and the
hotel just fucking breaks him down and takes him over,
and it's just it's sad. And it's just like the
the that he talks like that, not he is, it's
not in the first person, but the stuff that like
goes into his past, like the stuff that he's done
to Danny when he's drinking. It's just really it's just
like a sucks. And I know Stephen King wrote the
book while he was still drinking in on drugs, and

(20:13):
it shows he wrote he wrote Jack as like almost
like a version of himself where he was afraid of
what he would turn into as an alcoholic. And it's
just it's depressing when you look at it through that lens.
But it's so it's it's very good, but also it's
just a very heavy listen or read. I will say,
I know, you bust my balls if I said read
Andrews so.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
But yeah, I know you're not reading.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I know, I know, but I have. I have read
the book so different experience. I'm not very good at reading.
My good at reading last thing. Read that's fine. Andrew
did read the short story for this movie, too, short
story I was reading on the plane. I read like
a fun book, the one from nineteen eighty that's what

(20:54):
you're referring to.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
But how long is the short story.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
It's like thirty to forty page thirty four pages.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
Yeah, but then I also read like three four more
of those, so I read like a total like one
hundred because I read the raft and then I read
a couple other months.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeahs. Last recommendation really really quick. Because I'm always on
the lookout for good other other good horror podcasts, I'll
recommend the Other World podcast. This is a Story. This
is a podcast that is hosted by this guy Jack.
He's very good at hosting, but he also lets the
people that are telling their stories talk. He doesn't intervene
too much. And it's all true paranormal and weird stories

(21:30):
told by the people that have experienced them. And it's
actually very good audio quality. It's a pretty famous podcast.
Justin McLaughlin and Audra are big fans of it, so
he actually recommended it to me at first. So I
would just highly recommend that because they're putting out really
really good episodes lately, so that's what I would say.
It's all true stories. Yeah, it's all true allegedly true stories,

(21:51):
right sometimes Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (21:54):
Interesting though, fun if you just go into it just
listening to something like that.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, with it just being a story. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah.
The one I'm going back through like their back catalog now,
and then one I listened to today. It's just like another
depressing story, but very good stuff. Jesus, I love listening
to depressing ship apparently. But so those are my personal recommendations.
But obviously I want to finish off with the latest
season of Black Mirror, which is drapped dropped on Netflix

(22:19):
that Kat and I have been watching and we're through
five of the six episodes and this is a really
good season but also really fucking sad. I didn't even
know one came out. You Are You a Black Bear?
I love Black Bear. I did not really like the
last season as much. That was episodes, so you know

(22:42):
the one so the most recent one was the one
that had a couple of horror episodes. I like that season,
but the one with the one with Miley Cyrus, the
one only had three and had like Striking Vipers, which
is the video game one the girl from uh episode
would Selam Hyak. And then there was a couple other

(23:02):
ones that really good. But yeah, I mean black Beer
is just the first episode of the season. They kick
you in the face and just yeah, it's really brutal
and depressing. That was one of the most gut wrenching
just two seasons that was around so far. That was like,

(23:23):
that was like the COVID season.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, the season six that was I'm looking at the episodes,
I'm like, that was okay.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
That one had lock Henry, which is an all timer
is awful, was pretty good. Yeah, that's the one with
the girl from Ship's Creek. Yeah, dated, there's a.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Few they did this. Yeah, this season so far, we're
three episodes in.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
No, we're through five of the first six. There's there's
only six remembers five.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, and then I'll be like, oh, you know, yeah,
I saw that one that so I mean they're heavy,
they're sad.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
They have the whole like technology aspect AI like kind
of fast forwarding through the future and then like just
kind of demolishing your soul through like each episode, and
I'm just like, like, you.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
Watch one, You're like, yeah, but I also want to
watch another one. But you're like that was so awful,
But you're like I really got to watch more, like
it's it's so it's such sci fi kind of like
awesome TV.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
A lot of it's so relevant too. Well, that first
episode is so relevant and it's so fucking sad.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Even Like the latest episode we watched had like a
drone deliver a package and I was like, wait.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
That's like a thing, right, I never forgot about those
drones buzzing all over all of a sudden.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
It's like these like drones that are sitting and like
delivering packages and you're like, yeah, wait, that's not that
far that's now, Like that happens.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Now, right, it does happen. It's going to continue to
happen more. But I would say, like the thing about
Black Mirror is like a lot of the technology they
introduced that like it's common to the people in these stories.
It never feels so far fetched. It all feels like
it could actually happen as a progression.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
Well, the way that they the way that they introduce it,
because if you were to tell someone like a real
like cliff Notes version of the first episode with the
technology that they use sounds like a psycho like it
sounds ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
But the way that they introduce it is very yeah
or even so the most recent one that we watched.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
I was like, yeah, no, I.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Won't spoil I forget I spoke with you. The most
recent one, by the way, most recent one. Great performance
from Paul Giamatti, who's awesome. I love that. Awesome, I know.
And it's the last last episode of the season. Is
a sequel to the USS Calister episode. Oh shit, okay,
so we haven't seen that one yet. That's a good episode.

(25:45):
But the one called Eulogy with Paul Giamatti, it's like
the technology that's featured in it, like you could see
a company coming up with this and being like, Okay,
someone's passed away. Let's reach out to all the people
that they know. I'm not this is not a spoiler,
and have them relegate memories for a memorial. That type
of thing. That is one eighty fifth of the Yeah,

(26:09):
so you kind of sounds similar to like the technology
in the Shouts of the new Cronenberg movie. Oh yeah,
I heard that. Heard that's good too. Yeah, I can't
wait to see that.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
But yeah, no, watch, I'd say absolutely watch the new season.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I plan on it. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
It's it's good. I mean it's good. Like all every season,
there's not a bad season. I mean every episode makes
you think.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Miley Cyrus season was bad. That was bad. I just
didn't like that, right, I didn't like it as much
as the other ones.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
I think because the other season set the bar so
high that they dropped those and I was like, the
funk is this you?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah? Yeah, I thought that was kind of over reach it.
It was good. There's also a sequel to Banners Snatch
in this season. Yeah, not a sequel. It features some
of the same characters, so it's in the same universe, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's not like pick your own, Yeah, but it's some
of the same themes in the same actors.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, same actors, which is cool. It's cool to see.
I wish they would do another that dude, I thought
was pretty awesome, fun, interactive. It was interactive.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
It was like and that was just like you could
make it like eight hours if you really wanted to.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I did it the first one.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
I know that, and the first one I was was
like the second time, it was like one it was
like your story over four hours?

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Can I get it? Like three times? Like the night
that it came out, it was four hours. Just it
was fun.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
It was like, chill this thing, don't kill this thing,
eat the cheerios, eat the frosted flakes. It's like every
little scenario and then all of a sudden, like one
route you died, and like the first two things, and
you're like, how did I do that?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Do you smash your dance facing with the ashray? Do
you take the red pill or the blue pill? Or
you jump the dance? Yeah? Always know this is a horror.
Anybody else watching any cool spooky ship before we jump
into the monkey? Anyone else besides Black Mirror and everything
that I talked about, maybe be the only one pretty

(28:11):
much the stuff you talked about. Yeah, the Wolfman coucked.
Almost done with the Yellowjackets. I got one episode left.
We gotta do Yellow Chick. I have not watched any
of the new season.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
I think it's a million times better than season two.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Season two is Season one was amazing, was.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
Amazing down This has been much better. It's still outlandish,
but it's been is it quicker? Like it's not as
slow burn. It's like season two. I felt there's a
lot more ship happening, like like when they're in present day,
there's a lot more stuff actually happening, because it's a
lot of present day but the stuff in the past,
like you finally get.

Speaker 8 (28:46):
To like the end of like when they're in the woods,
Like you get to that point, so you get to
the almost to the crossover now, So okay, interesting, I
don't know where.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
How it ends. I have one episode left, so I'm
sure where that goes. To ask you, this is obviously
ties into what you were just talking about. How about
the Last of Us. I won't watch that the rest
of that It's so boring. Okay, I have not seen
any of that show, and I don't know. Yeah, I
don't know. Maybe I'll give it a shot. Maybe I won't.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
It's just like a drama. It's not even like a
hard like it's it's just a drum. It's like a
love story drama. At this point, I'm like, that's literally.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
The walking down.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
I love mushrooms. I think they're demonizing mushrooms, brainwashing people.
Mushrooms will save the world. You do love mushrooms, like
this card you always have, So yeah, we get we
get some. When we finished Black Marraca. We have some
TV watching to do.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
Between, kind of like a Yellowstone like drama with mushroom zombies.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Now, okay, all right, I like watch The Walking Dead.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
It's literally I know that's what I mean, but it's
literally the Walking down because I feel like when you
come out of that, you're like, I love the characters.
I don't care about the zombies, I don't care about
the makeup, I don't care about all this other Yeah,
there's a cool kill here, and there.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Plenty of other shows.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
It was literally about the characters, and that's what it
feels like this has turned into.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
It's just you can you can certainly tell watching the
first season they care more about the characters and the
drama than they do about the horror elements, which I
mean ultimately makes for a good show. Yeah, there was
still some very good stuff in season one. It's no fortitude,
I'll tell you that that. Well, dude, if that was
available to stream, any watch it someday, buy it on DVD.

(30:24):
I'll borrow it from you. So yeah, but when we
finished Black Mirror, we have to watch Last of Us,
we have to watch Yellowjackets, we got to finish The
White Lotus, and we have to finish Vice Principals. We've started.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Actually it seems like it's like an Eastbound and down type,
but yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Like better though. Did you watch Righteous Gemstones a little bit?

Speaker 6 (30:44):
Yeah, this show is pretty good, but Vice Principles, I
feel like it's the best of those.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
So we watched like two episodes the other night. I
was like, why haven't we seen this before?

Speaker 1 (30:51):
This is nobody's ever talked about it ever. Yeah, yeah,
it's such a it's only two seasons. And just like
I came out of nowhere and I was like, this
is Walton gog Just Walton Goggins the man. It's best
true cool, all right, we already talking about the monkey.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
I was like, yeah, we're real stake the monkey.

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Speaker 1 (32:22):
All right, folks, we're back. Thanks for sticking with us
through that short little commercial break there, and of course,
as promised, we are back to talk about i'd say,
probably the most infamous horror movie of this year so far.
But the year is still pretty young, even though we
are quickly approaching May, so we're almost five months in. Yeah,
but this is common by this point.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Yeah, like the end, like all the bangers come out
at the end, true, or like from middle Age true true, true.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
And of course the movie. The movie the topic djor
the movie of the evening is The Monkey. And The
Monkey is a twenty twenty five American black comedy horror
film written and directed by Osgood Perkins, who you may
recognize from a bunch of other films that he's directed,
including The Black Coat's Daughter, Gretel and Hansel I Am,
The Pretty Thing that Lives in the House, and the

(33:13):
smash hit of last year Long Legs. Great movie, yep,
very very good movie. And this is obviously, this is
a very good combination for this movie because it's directed
by Oz Perkins, who is an up and coming name
in the horror film industry. I'd say he's now one
of the directors alongside like Jordan Peele and Ari Aster
and Robert Eggers and Zach Kregor that pretty much anything

(33:34):
they come out with people are gonna have eyeballs on it.
So he's now i think, established himself as one of
those names. But when you also combine that with the
fact that it was also produced by James Wand in
his production company Atomic Monster, James Wand huge name in
horror obviously, and then it's also based on a short
story by Stephen King from his nineteen eighty short story

(33:55):
collection Skeleton Crew Its Skeleton Crew. Right, it's not night
Shift because I lend a very book. Yes, yep, so uh.
And the film also stars THEO James in one of
those one of those rules, one of those roles, one
of those roles that actors love, the dreaded dual role

(34:17):
where he plays twin brothers. Two roles in the same movie.
THEO James stars and a dual role as twin brothers
whose lives are turned upside down by a cursed toy
monkey that causes random horrific deaths around them. Tatiana Maslani,
Christian Convery, Colin O'Brien, Rohan Campbell, Sarah Levy, Adam Scott,
and Elijah Wood also star. I kind of completely forgot

(34:40):
that Elijah Wood was in this movie until I just
read that very quick role very good, fantastic, very good,
so good. So Elijah Wood was the main character's son's stepfather,
and he was remember he was like the self help

(35:01):
guru that and uh, the main character's ex wife. They
want to they want to basically like take over and
adopt the sun so that he's cut out of the
son's life.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
You don't remember yes, I do, I do, no, I do.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Okay, okay, okay uh and the monkey is the monkey
streaming anywhere right now? Because I realized I forgot to
fill no. I mean, I mean, I've rented it two
weeks ago. I also I paid to rent it. But
I think it's like.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I barely remember recognized that was Elijah Wood. That's so strange.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
That is Elijah would did he have glasses on?

Speaker 6 (35:44):
What I was gonna say that would have confused you,
like it grow Joe Marx.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
That looks just like him.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
I know it looks like him because it get it,
Yeah it is, But I.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Did a little scruff going on.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
For whatever reason, I just didn't even put that together,
like that's strange.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
He doesn't have hobbit feet. I was just gonna say that, yeah,
hair well, either way, you can pay to rent the
monkey right now. But I could have sworn. I thought
it's got to be coming to Peacock or something like that,
or it might be Paramount plus one of those two.
It's not one of the major ones, not Max. That's
everything's on Max. Maybe it is Max. I don't know,
I don't don't quote me on That is a Neon film. No,

(36:24):
you know what, it is a Neon film, So maybe
it is Max, because I know Max has all the
A twenty four stuff. Where's well, where's long legs? Long
Legs is somewhere? It wasn't on Hulu Paramount. No, Yeah,
I love long legs. I don't remember what it was
streaming on that. They all get jumbled. I love long legs.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
I just like that guy that's.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Like long legs. Yeah, yeah, long legs. I like that.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
I can't Yeah, great cage right, I forgot that was
him like halfway through the movie.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Holy shit, I had the telcat who it was at
the end of the movie.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, I was like, wait what.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
He did his best like Courtney Cox impersonation. By the way,
The Monkey seventy nine percent critics score on the Tomatoes
and a fifty six percent audio score audience score. Excuse me,
quite the disparity there. Interesting budget by the way, was
estimated to be between ten and eleven million dollars, and
it is now the highest grossing horror film of the

(37:27):
year so far, bringing in almost sixty nine million dollars.
That's a great number, Nae Nace, So yeah, that's The Monkey.
I thought it was pretty cool movie, pretty cool. Yeah,
I liked it. Yeah, so, Mike, I guess, since you're
our guest tonight, why don't you lead us off what
you thought? Wow? Yeah, no pressure, no pressure. So I

(37:49):
just said I liked it. I did enjoy it. I
liked I liked all the different kills. I'm a big
fan of just all kinds of different kills.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
And you know, being a chef, this might be taking
the wrong way, but I love kills that involve.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Restaurants or food or anything of the type. Very good
one in this so, uh yeah, there's a very good kill.
I don't want to spoiler for anybody, but uh, the
hibachi kill just uh yeah that the head searing on
the flat top and uh the hibachi chef just not
really giving a fuck.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Yeah, swinging his knife around is some very careful crazy
I've never seen anything like that. Yeah, fires, he needs
to go back to Connory school. Yeah, i'd fire him
and not.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I mean it's probably could go into jail for like
negnigent negligent manslaughter too, like that.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Kill we're just gonna talk about.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
So yeah, obviously, you know, if you haven't, if you
haven't seen the monkey yet, which a lot of people
may have not seen it yet. Turn back now, go
watch the movie. Come back to us as soon as
you've seen it, because we're probably gonna we're gonna delve
into also of spoilers here right off the jump, because
I mean, it's it's it's I don't know, there's really
a whole lot to talk about in this movie besides
the killing, because that's that's yeah, that's why I watched it,

(38:55):
But just for the kills, it's like a thousand ways
to die, like that show. There's a reason you watched
that show.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
But that about she.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Killed, I feel like took a little bit because like
I feel like I was watching it and it was
in slow moo because you're like, wait, did something happen
to her neck or not? Three times a couple kills, yeah,
but like all of a sudden, then her head just
like and then you're just like, oh ship, but like
it takes a minute from even reacts, which I'm sure
she's just in shock, like oh my god, what happened?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
But then how did she even move her head? If
like it's not it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Mean you still like chickens run around with their heads
cut off.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
That's true, How would she turn her head if it's
completely sever she didn't turn her body.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Maybe she was trying to tell them that she wasn't
paying for dinner. She's like, hey, I forgot my wallet.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, heads up, I don't have money for turning turning
into a Karen. I know you're a child, but you
gotta go to grab dinner tonight. Yeah I know you want,
but you got my head. Speaking of what have you seen?
Have you seen the menu with Rape? I love the
right I think it's a great movie. Yeah, I figured
you would appreciate that move.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Rewatch.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
I like the whole social commentary on just you know,
hoity toity restaurants and just that whole Yeah, just putting
people up on a pedestal like that, Like I'm just
a dude that cooks food. It's people do that with like,
you know, tattoo artists and chefs and different professions, and
it's just sometimes it gets a little fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm a weird dude that watches horror movies.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
And so if you really think about I understand it,
because yeah, it is colinary arts and people always blow
the arts out of the water. Anything that's an art
related thing, so I get that. And people love food,
so you're gonna get those weird people.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
But I do agree that it is very Step boyfriend
character that is just like going apeshent about everything that
he makes. That's just so spot on for some like
for most of us, it's like, just give me the
fucking cheese.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Yeah exactly, I'm hungry, give me the food. But that's
told me what happens to that?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
But she's like, can you make me a Yeah, I
forgot your girl, Andrew's girl and your tailor Joys not too,
which she's.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Really like other shows like well, like do you like
the movie Burnt?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
I like that, Yeah, what about it? There very controversy,
So the Bear's good.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
But I I just think that a lot of people
see it and it kind of like romanticizes what goes
on in kitchens and stuff, and people are like, oh
my god, he's a dreamy chef. Like yeah, and no,
that ship sucks and you make people want to die
on a daily basis by talking to them like that.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
So yeah, I think they did a really good job.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
But it it's obviously it's for TV instrumaticized, but uh yeah,
I mean parts of it, you know, the chef's leaner
over his shoulders, like you think you're good at this,
you should go kill yourself.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
And I'm like, I got to change this. Like I've
had this said to me like five times in the
past year now.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
But it's just yeah, a lot of it is very
spot on, where like I didn't even want to watch it.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
It was just like PTSD was like our friends made
that means they did a good job. Yeah that you know,
it makes me want to throw up. Yeah, it's a lot. Well,
the whole the whole like celebrity chef culture thing has
gotten fucking out of control. Yeah, and then you know
you have people like Mario Batali. You know, there's a
whole documentary on how creepy of a fucking duty is.

(42:05):
He's like roping his fucking staff and drugging people. There's
a whole dude, there's just this whole culture of being
a shitty fucking person covering it up by being like
I have ten restaurants, like it's okay there there are
whatever you want. Then they're all celebrities fucked up. So well,
if you're a shitty human being, you know you're gonna

(42:26):
do things you do, and whether it's yeah, it's awful.
I'll take any opportunity that I can to bring up
Anthony Bourdain to Anthony the movie I did too. Yes, yeah,
two mics on the podcast. So what I was what

(42:46):
I was going to say was if you if you
have read if you've if you you told him if
you've read Kitchen Confidential, Yes I have you know? Or
or or in the follow up book, Medium Rock Yeah. Medium. Basically,
he hates the idea that people consider it like chefs
to be artists, You're a craftsman, You're I consider myself
to be a craftsman, he said a couple of times,

(43:08):
So like I I can expect that it's you know,
and obviously sometimes I do enjoy that. That's how I
pay my bills. So it's nice that people see it
that way, of course, But you.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Know, I feel like eighty percent of the time, like,
please leave me the fuck alone, you know, Like I
saw somebody at the gym the other night, and luckily
it was my friend, but I found somebody walking up
to me and I'm like, who the fuck is this
right now?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Like I just want to listen to angry music, and
this I really appreciate you. Did you soe V that?
Yeah like that. I'm like, dude, it was like, I'll
teach you how to make like twenty five hours. I
always think of that. I almost think of the fucking
the crim Fresh episode of Stuff Park cram Fresh. You're
going to You're going to deglaze that. I was there

(43:47):
with that. You can red mine butter, And it's like
funny ill spot off of that. It's so good.

Speaker 6 (43:54):
It is funny, like the like the way that like
they talk about certain things like deglazing a pant.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
It's like that dumping liquid pant. Yeah, like it's not
like it's some fucking science. I blame I blame. I
blame Lentis for that. But Star, she can do whatever she.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Wants to tell you.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Listen, where does where does she? Man? You needed to
get her on this? Now? This is really I don't
think Jada would return my phone calls personally neither anyway,
So back to the moment Superstarshot Bobby. She's goggling Bobby
Flay's garganelle for sure, where's my southern change my name
to Bobby legally politic?

Speaker 3 (44:36):
But his phone number?

Speaker 5 (44:39):
I love I love Paul I have this crazy so
I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
She makes some damn good.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
She makes some damn good, some damn good.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
You can make food when you stick. That's very true.
I wonder this could be really fun podcast to have.
We just talked about food, made fun of celebrity chefs
and stuff. That's totally if I can't get back to
the Monkey, I obviously I want to be respectful of

(45:13):
Mike's time, because you know he's having a pre workout, right,
I was going to Jack. I also, I thought this
movie was pretty goddamn good. And I think when you
look at it from the aspect that OUs Perkins directed
Long Legs last year and then he comes out with
this movie the next year. I think a lot of people.

(45:33):
I think the disparity between like the critics score and
the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is a direct result
of people seeing Long Legs thinking that movie was awesome
and expecting something similar going into this movie, and they're
too completely so I had no, Yeah, completely different movies
make the same movie. I think this would actually like fit,

(45:56):
This would make This would have made a very good
episode of like the nineties HBO Tails from the Crypt
TV series. Yeah, it's outlandish, it's funny, it's I don't
think it's as funny as it thinks it is at
certain times, but it made chuckle a few times. This
is definitely playing up that black comedy aspect a few

(46:17):
times here and there. But I think a lot of
people just had different expectations for it. But if you
saw like the marketing for it and the trailers, like
I think it was pretty clear that they weren't going
to play this too seriously. Yeah, they're having fun with it,
and I kind of respected it about it. I think
there are a lot of horror movies that take themselves
way too fucking seriously nowadays, and this was not one
of them. I just think I really dug it. I mean,

(46:39):
I don't think it's like I think Long Legs is
a better movie personally, I think this is. But this
is a very very good black comedy parr movie. I thought.
I thought it was pretty pretty cool, pretty cool. I
watched it again. Absolutely, I would watch it again, specifically
just for the kills, which you bet your ass. I
have a list of receing a kill in the movie

(47:01):
so we can determine what our favorite kills of the
movie are. But we'll get to that a little bit later. Catherine.
I know that you originally weren't even gonna watch this
movie with me, and you were like, you know what,
maybe i'll throw it up, maybe I'll watch it with you.
And I know you probably didn't have very many expectations
for it, so you watched it with me. What did
you think? Did you like it? Could you hate it?

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Skyrim? Or went upstairs to watch my reality shows? But
I was like, hey, you know what, I'll watch this
movie with you.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Let's see how it goes. What a Trooper?

Speaker 5 (47:32):
I I feel torn about this movie because I feel
like I didn't know what to expect really going into this.
I was just literally like, hey, you watched the movie. Sure,
I'll come down laying out, I'll watch this movie. Told
me it was about a short story. Immediately, I'm like,
how do you turn a short story into a two

(47:53):
hour to over two hour like movie.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
There are very many liberties taken? Yeah, you can't, you can't.
And the short story covers about the first twenty five
thirty minutes of the movie.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Right, And I feel like I got that and I
got the gist of it, and I feel like it
just kept going, and I'm not quite sure if I
really liked it.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
In the end.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
I think it started off really strong, and I.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Think it's actually kind of fizzle.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
It really drew you in, Okay, I can see that
side of it.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
A lot of the kills too, kind of reminded me
of like Winning the Plu, the Plu, the.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Plu blood Honey, Like it's like crazy.

Speaker 7 (48:31):
Like, no, I liked the movie, yeah, but it's like
bees and.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
No, I do, but I'm Plu Plu. I just Disney Polah,
those Disney Plu. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
So the kill is kind of in a weird way
reminded me of those because they're just this like crazy gruesome,
like not super realistic but like not even the head
but like the whole like shooting the arrow through and
like getting the intestines back.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
All these like that's great. Yeah, I feel like it's.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
Great, but you're like also like, wow, that's like super graphic,
like they did that and whin of the poop bo
and honey, like everything.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Was super graphic. Way better than that.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
It's like that, but it was still good.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I thought the kills were some of the funniest parts
of the whole movie because they were so over the
top they were.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
They were so swimming. He's like, yeah, You're like, what
is Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
But even like I said to earlier, I was like
the golf hole, like with the like jumping up at
her throat.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
I'm like, that would never happen, and never rettlesnakes jump.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
I'm like, oh, come on, like all right, so I
feel like so I actually wait.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
So when I was writing a.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Note about the watch list, about one of the movies
you just mentioned in the beginning of the podcast that
I already forgot about it, but it's in my notes,
I did have a little keep note with Monkey with
the monkey and the one question I had was like,
they had this chanting sorry oh it said they were

(50:11):
chanting like let's go something when they were bringing the
body out of the house.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I don't know what that means. I don't remember that
part of the movie. But all of a sudden, I'm like,
monkey man, and that's the one.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Note that I have, and I'm like, I don't even
know what that means.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
It said, let's go cast go.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Oh oh oh? Was that the school busst You're thinking
of the school bus killed with the cheerleaders, which I don't.
I know, your thoughts might have been jumbled towards the
end of the movie.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
But yeah, anyways, I can be done.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
That's fine, Okay, are you sure? All right?

Speaker 5 (50:47):
But yeah, I wasn't like huge. I wouldn't watch it again.
It was, but I think the premise of it, like
the whole idea of the movie, with the monkey thing
and the it's fine, I get it, but I just yeah,
I think it was a little too long.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I don't think it needs to be as long as
it was.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Well, I want to get Andrew's thoughts because I know
you've kind of wavered on this a little bit. But
I also I feel like we've talked about a couple
of death so far, so I want to when you,
after your thoughts, Andrew skip ahead to Welcome to Die
and talk about that should be the list of kills.
This is the best movie to do that category. So
Andrew your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (51:21):
Obviously, the kill's fantastic. So now I feel like the douche.
That's like, well, having read.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
The uh you mean the douche I am in a
lot of podcasts, you call me douche.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
I found the story much more entertaining.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I thought the story was very well done.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
I liked how kind of I mean, even the ending
in the short story is a little vague, but I
liked it. I was, I dug it, and I feel
like this concept to make this into a feature length
film is very difficult.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
So, like you said, Mike, when you brought up like
it would be a great Tales from the KIPT.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
Episode, this would have been a perfect thirty to forty
five minute episode of some sort of show.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, have been extremely well done. I think it got
a little bit too.

Speaker 6 (52:06):
It was just so long, like and also like the
story like kind of tear like the plot story was
just there wasn't really anything there. This movie was there
for just the kills, Like that's what it was. If
you can, if you can watch that movie and appreciate
the fact that it was just for showcasing different ways
to kill people because a monkey made them do.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
It, yeah, then that's fine. Also didn't like that the
monkey was different but instead of the symbols exactly, which
is weird. Why would they change that seems like a
weird thing.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
I guess maybe because you could just haven't banged the
symbols faster.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yes, I guess that maybe is more.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yeah, but I feel like more iconic. I didn't even
know that until you mentioned that.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Because the monkey you never like. I don't know. I've
never seen a drumming monkey.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
Now I've seen that the moment the symbols is what's in,
and I think that was an interesting I didn't like
that change.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Did you like that change? So? No, I didn't. But
apparently there was a rights issue, as have to do
with Disney it did. Are you fucking kidding? That was
a joke. Hold on, let's see. I'd have this in
my notes here.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
I feel like you can build tension with drums versus
like just being like, yeah, I mean you can build
tension with symbol.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Like I do you like the use of the song
Come on baby? Thought that the music was great in
the movies was awesome. I should you not, Mike. According
to your director, OUs Perkins, the decision to have the
monkey bang a drum instead of symbols was due to
the rights to the symbol banging version of the monkey
being owned by the Walt Disney Company, as the toy
had as the symbol banging Monkey toy had appeared as

(53:38):
a character in Toy Story three. What the symbol monkey.
He was in toy story in the first place. He's
because director Lee Unkrich is a fan of Stephen King,
so there was a Stephen King inspiration for toys. Who
invented that toy? I don't know, but I feel like
Disney covers all bases man everywhere. They're fucking everywhere. So no,

(54:03):
I did not like that change, but they he looked
good though. I thought it looked he was scary. It
was cute.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
Yeah, yeah, I did enjoy the I did one thing.
I did really like what the movie is. It really
kept in line with the tone of the story, Like
it felt like the narration and everything that was happening
was very in line. I just feel like the story
lacked because I mean, you all, in reality, the story
in the Short Story is much better.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I feel much better.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
I don't know why they couldn't do that instead of
just turning it into a set piece for kills.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
But this movie would have made for like a great
graphic novel, yeah, something like, oh yeah for sure. So overall,
did I like it better than The Long Legs.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
I like Long Legs better, But also I feel like
he just makes divisive movies. Sure, I feel like Long
Legs is extremely divisive too. Like a lot of people
didn't like that movie. Really, people thought it was stupid.
I thought it was really good.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
I thought it was great cage movie. Like no, not.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Like Black Coast Daughter. And I think that's like so
probably his easily. I still think his best movie.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
That so perfect segue because I have this is a question. Okay,
so is the Monkey better or worse than Black Coat's Daughter?
Black Coat's Daughter is better. Absolutely, I actually haven't seen that.
I think it's his best movie. Watch it again. I
believe that's his first movie and and it's amazing. His
other the movie after Black Coats started that it was
I Am the Pretty Thing that Lives in the House,

(55:30):
which I've never seen. You've seen that, but I didn't
make a joke that one time. I am. I think
you did. Yeah, I'm the disgusting and ships in my toilet. Yeah,
it was something A lot after that movie. He also
directed Gretel and Hansel, which I have it wasn't bad.
I like, yeah, did you like that better than The Monkey?

(55:51):
Did you like the mon I like the Muggs better.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Yeah, I guess is fine.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, I think life is better the s that i've seen.
This is his third best Long Legs and Black Coat's
Daughter both I think clear Long Legs is more my style,
but they're all very good. This one, the kills are phenomenal.
The cold open to this movie with Adam Scott is incredible.
What a great opening, like, That's what. That's kind of

(56:17):
why I.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
Think I was disappointed by the movie because it started
off like that, Yeah, and then it's just like Adam
Scott never.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Let's move on to Welcome to Die.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
But what's interesting, though, is Adam Scott's characters wearing like
a sailor's hat.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
And the end of the short story the monkey. It
takes place on the water on a boat.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
So I'm wondering if maybe he found it in that
lake and it takes takes place after but with the
same he came in like a hat.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Also, it did come in a hat box, that's right.
I do love that the short story ends after the
brothers drop the monkey in the lake, and the end
of it has an article from like the Casco Bay
Times talking about serious mass death of a bunch of
which but not like the fish, but like the mass

(57:06):
death of like everybody, and everybody was like you mysterious
death of a bunch of fish puzzle you know, biology
rewatching watch, Yes, yeah, all right. So the kills. The
kills are the reason I think to come to this
movie and to come back to this movie. And there
are some very creative deaths. And there are, old boy,

(57:26):
a lot of them. So starting in chronological order, let's
just talk about them. First one a harpoon gun to
the gut in the cold open, very very good in
the one little cameo by Adam Scott who does not
show up for the rest of the nights are coming out.
That's very good, very good one. After that we get

(57:47):
the Hibachi throat slit decapitation favorite. Yeah, I mean, I
can certainly understand why you really like that one. After
that the twins mother has the massive brain and your
him and then hits her head on the cutting board
on the way down. It's also her eyeballs just explode.
Another kitchen death. Yep, gotta it, Yeah, gotta love it.

(58:09):
After that we get the uncle Uncle Will I think
it is, who's played by Oz Perkins in his little cameo.
It actually a pretty funny role for him, where he
gets stampeded in a sleeping bag by sixty seven wild horses,
and when they open the sleeping bag, they said that
it looked like a bunch of cherry pie filling and
it's disgusting. That's a pretty good one too. Then we

(58:31):
get the aunt who is twy from Shit's Creek another
Ship's Creek reference there, gets her head lit on fire
after getting fish hooks in her face and then she
runs outside with her head on fire and then spikes
her head through the forced sail sign on the front.
After that, at the motel, we get the exploding night

(58:53):
swim death, which was awesome great. So that one doesn't
make any sense to me. I think that's waters and
she just blows up electrocuted. She wouldn't explode electric and die.
It was more we should go test then somebody. Yeah, right,
you can test that one. Waiting for this know, you know?

(59:15):
Can we can test with we can test it out
with otis right perfect. I'm not going to do it.
I'm just choking spooky hound dog. And then we get
a couple of quick hit like little five second shots
of the ones that happened throughout the town.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
We get the decapitation by lawnmower that one and the
guys just sitting drinking beer over his face.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
I've seen that before though, the neighbors.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Just watching over the fence, just drinking. Uh. Then directly
after that we get the steam kettle to the face,
where a guy gets his face melted off by a
coffee maker other food. Uh. Then after that we also
get the woman who is golfing and gets a rattlesnake

(01:00:06):
bite to the throat. Out of that one's the most real. Still, Yeah,
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
Know'st scary, dude, What do you mean you can get
snakes come out of toilets this big?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Have you seen a snake how it coils? Yeah? I
don't think you understand. Think you know snakes. Let's get
into this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I don't know snakes in Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
You know an I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Andrew lived in the South, he does no snakes and
probably alone reference bugs. I don't know snakes. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
That was good, great call, great call. After that, we
get the realtor who gets the shotgun to the face,
which said the monkeys the shotgun or some psychl I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
That monkey does wonders.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
It seems like there's a lot of things in here
that was like mouse trapped, like seriously, back to whole alone.
Yeah yeah, it's kind of like a demented home alone.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Really yeah actually wow, I just contributed so much to
this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
A big, big, big, big argument for the people that
think home alone to a horror movie. It could be
kind of is really underrated. Little good death in here
is the the hotel clerk who says the same exact
line over and over again. Oh, ship man, that sucks.
He steps on a rake while he's smoking his vape
and he shoves down his sat and he chokes on

(01:01:26):
it to death. That's a great commentary on what should
happen to yep right, just in general, I'm pans over
to me hit my vapu. After that, we get the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
We get the I called this one the wasp inhalation.
That's such a good one through the whole of the windshield.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Like crazy, come on. Uh. Then we get the plane
crash with the people falling out of the sky and
into the house and this like body is just falling
out of the fucking sky. The lady like falls and
gets hung right by your parachute. Yeah yeah, we got
that one. Uh that we we got bowling ball meets head,
when the twin brother meets no. No, that actually happens.

(01:02:07):
It happens at the end. That was foreshadowing. That's when
I was way too high. And then we get the
We get the woman running through the street with her
baby in the carriage on fire. Oh my god. Yeah,
I shouldn't be laughing at that. Baby, baby che baby fresh.
The last kill, last kill of the movie. We get

(01:02:29):
the school bus full of cheerleaders that get hit by
the mac truck. That's the one that you were referring to,
So go cast why you should always keep all arms
and legs inside the vehicle inside the Yeah, so a
lot of good kills. I mean, we kind of talked
about what our favorite ones. I man, there's some really
good ones here. I I think the exploding night Swim

(01:02:52):
might have been my favorite one because it was just
so over the fucking yeah, the whole body parts go flying.
That was really good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Do you say your favorite one and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
It's like the snake one? See? I like the first.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
I like the opening one because it's just so you're
not ready for you, so it's just kind of like surprising.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
But I also like the one the snake one is good.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
But the one where the lady runs out of the
house on fire, yeahs herself, because that's such.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
A like oh my god, like you like, that's what
you could do it every day. That could happen. You
just run into the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Like, well, your head's on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yeah, well, if your head's on fire falling off, it
sounds like you're having a bad day, you're a bad Yeah.
I like the one. Yeah, that one's good. That's a
very very scary one for me because I don't like bees.
I'm the largest Yeah, not a fan. Not a fan. Also,
so after I should bring this up too. So after
the school bus full of cheerleaders gets hit by the

(01:03:49):
mac truck, it goes really weird and they're parked at
the stop sign. Uh, the main character I believe it's Bill, right,
Bill's the main character in the Sun and PDPD is
the Sun. They're parked, they're at a stop sign, four
way stop, and all of a sudden, this ghostly pale
man on a black horse comes riding by and he's

(01:04:09):
just looking at him like what the fuck? And they
just kind of wave at each other and the guy
goes on. So what the fuck's up with that? I
feel like that actor looked familiar too, So I don't
know what the actor was. It looked like Benicio del Toro.
So it is supposed to be one of the four
horsemen of the Apocalypse, the Pale Horse obviously, which if

(01:04:30):
you if you're familiar with the Bible, so their figures
in the Book of Revelation in the New Testament of
the Bible, and the Pale Horse, the one I believe
that brings death and pestilence to the world. Yeah, they're
kind of I think they're kind of. I thought the ending,
they're kind of parkening back to a movie like The

(01:04:51):
myst where it's all of a sudden, it's like, okay,
is the world ending with all this stuff?

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
That's how that story ended that way too, So like
very and it very so this was this movie was
very true to the short story in the aspect that
kept the same tone, vibes everything. So I do respect
for I was going to rewatch it. I feel like
I probably should like this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yeah, I wish, I wish. I think I think it
was because you were watching it with a house guests
and you probably to give it full attention. At the time.
You know, I feel like I do think I have
like a prostitute. No, no, no, you don't need to
get into that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Yeah, your dad stayed with you for a while, clearly
not a process that house well, I don't know if
you wanted to your dad's my dad. That is saying
house guests, Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Because you in the prostitute didn't even pay attention to
the fucking movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
She was busy. I'm sorry, what my head cat anyway,
so speaking of the myst probably was sorry. I'm actually
I thought it was interesting. So uh. Frank Darabant, who
directed The Mist, the Stephen King movie, originally held the
film rights to this story and planned to begin working

(01:06:03):
on a film adaptation upon completing The Mist in two
thousand and seven, and the project never materialized. And it's
so weird to me, like how these things happen? That
was a lot I feel all the time. Same thing
with Wolfman Ryan Goustling. Yep, They're like, I'm gonna do
this and then they just don't. Yeah, And apparently just
some of the other stuff that I found researching this
movie that I thought was interesting. So this apparently when

(01:06:24):
it was in production before Oz Perkins was attached to direct,
had a very different tone, much more serious. And this
is a direct quote from Oz Perkins as on his
approach to this story. Quote, I took liberties like a motherfucker.
They meaning Atomic Monster, who is James Wand's production company,
had a very serious script, very serious. I felt it

(01:06:46):
was too serious, and I told them, quote, this doesn't
work for me. The thing that with this toy monkey
is that the people all around us die in insane
ways sometimes. So I thought, well, I'm an expert on that.
Both of my parents died in insane, headline making ways.
I spent a lot of my life recovering from tragedy
feeling quite bad. It all seemed inherently unfair. You personalize

(01:07:07):
the grief. Why is this happening to me? But I'm
older now and you realize that this shit happens to everyone.
Everyone dies, sometimes in their sleep, sometimes in truly insane
ways like I experienced. But everyone dies, And I thought,
maybe the best way to approach that insane notion is
with a smile. I agree, Yeah, so is that wrong?
A dark thought? We're all gonna die? But you know, yeah, yeah,

(01:07:31):
I agree? I agree, And I thought that was kind
of a cool way to look at It's not as
well spoken as I assumed he would be. Well, I
think he. I think he's well spoken. He's a very
smart guy. Yeah, but he also kind of was like,
you know, it's just one of the guys. He's just
one of the dudes. He's gonna bust out, like he
put the monkey away, don't pull your pants out. So

(01:07:53):
it reminded me of so not the most recent Fangoria,
the one that came out this spring, but the one
that came out before. So there was nothing. There were
no articles about the monkey, but there were two like
so in the front and back cover there were little
ads for the monkey. So the first one on the
inside cover, You're going to die. The average life expectancy
in the US is seventy nine point twenty five years.

(01:08:14):
You don't have that much time left. Rather than reading
about movies, maybe you should go see one instead. And
it's the Monkey, And it's a fortune It's a it's
a fifteen, and it's it's a it's a bloody fortune
cookie and the fortune is the cookie is open and
the fortune reads death is funny when it's someone else,
got right, Yes, And then the back cover of the magazine.

(01:08:37):
The Monkey is the new Trip from writer director Osgood Perkins,
based on the short story by Stephen King and produced
by James Wan. It is a film chock full of
bloody violence and death. All of these deaths are outrageously
glory and thoroughly gratuitous, and while some are deserved, others
are a case of quote, wrong place, wrong time. It's
like life in that regard. Instruments of death in this
feature film include, but not limited to, a harpoon gun,

(01:08:59):
a shotgun, a bowing ball, a botchy knife, a swimming pool,
a surfboard, a lawnmower, and a stampede of wild horses.
The hard truth is that everybody dies, and that's fucked up.
But at least now you can enjoy death with your
friends and loved ones and the comfort of your favorite
movie theater this February. I like the knife on the back.
It looks like Japanese steel. That's a nice, nice knife,
right knife right there? Yeah, covered in pretty cool Final Destination. Yeah,

(01:09:23):
it was a little Final destination. It kind of bad way.
I love that whole franchise, Honestly, I can't wait for
the new one to come out. Actually, I've never been
more scared of logger trucks. Yeah, from them, dude, that
that trailer like broke a record for the most views,
like any horror movie of all time. Really? Yeah, So
their Final Destination, the new Final Destination movie that's coming

(01:09:44):
up this year with the guy with the septumb ring. Yes, yeah,
fuck that. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. The Soft franchise, right, Definitely,
the hottest bend is the Soft Franchise. So also, did
you guys notice the Stephen King easter eggs in this movie?
I don't remember. I do know there was a few,
but I honestly don't recall it. My ears perked up.

(01:10:05):
So there's a couple of them. The babysitter who gets
decapitate a hibachi, turns out her name is Annie Wilkes,
which obviously is the name of the character they give
name at the funeral.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
We were doing this as we were watching it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
We were obviously a reference to the character from the
book Misery, the film adaptation, which starred Kathy Bates the
same name character. This is one of the many Stephen
King references to other works Throughout the film. There's also
a character referred to in the movie as Torrance okay,
obviously referring to Jack Tarrance, the Tarrance family, the Shining
and another one of the characters named Douche Shomp, which
is another protagonist from one of Stephen King's short stories Champs,

(01:10:42):
specifically specifically the novella The Body That Inspired stand by Me.
So there's a couple of Little Stephen King Easter Egg
of course, Ouz Perkins doing a bunch of good killers
and paying some tribute to one Lord Stephen King. Let's
not call him Lord now, Little Stephen. What he hears this,

(01:11:07):
he's gonna be a little weird. Well maybe maybe if
hears hears me call him Lord Stephen, he'll come on
the podcast and talk to us. We're pretty Me and
Steve are pretty tight like that. He does him, Steve,
He does Steve. Yeah, he does podcasts. I mean, he's
been on a couple of podcasts that I've listened to before.
He does. He does the big ones. He does, he
does the there's there's a Stephen King podcast on the

(01:11:27):
Fangoria Network and on the Bloody Disgusting Network, and he's
been on both of those. But I feel like he
would be insufferable to talk to you though. I mean,
you don't you get that it's a six hour episode.
I mean, he's a very famous, very wealthy, very smart
guy person. He's very opinionated for sure. Absolutely if you
follow him on excerpt, any of the any of his

(01:11:47):
other social media platforms have severe autism. How else? How Yeah,
I think he'd be a fascinating guy to talk to you,
for sure. So yeah, he's all right. All right, guys, Steven,
if you want to talk, you can talk that Steve. Steve.

(01:12:09):
I want to know about Tom Gordon, Yo, Steve, tell
me you think that did you ever read that book
The Girl who Loved Tom Gordon's So random? Really strange? Yeah,
well this just goes show how big of a Red
Sox fan he is. You know, well, guys, that's what
I have on the on the minky. Anybody else have
anything they want to talk about before we sign off
and let me? Yeah? So she actually I was gonna

(01:12:34):
say that, but she kind of took it thunder. That's fine.
I'm never coming back on this. I forgot my simple
one that you reminded me of the Shark Tank rip off,
and I think you should leave the I hate bald boys.

(01:12:54):
I hate how much I need wine. When bald boys
come near me, I go.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
She's just like describing Charlie Brown to So I've gone
from a bird to a monkey.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Yeah, all right, leave it at the well. I think
that's about it. Then, yeah, all right, guys, well you
can still yours was good. I don't wanna thank you
for having me. I'll do the monkey the next time.
This has been another episode of America's Hometown Heart podcast

(01:13:28):
and we are certainly grateful to have our good buddy
Mike Wisdom back on the show. And thank you so much.
Thank you so much. It's always fun to have you.
Fabulous and you can go visit Mike at the Edge
right now. Mike, is there anything else? I know? You
mentioned a lot of the events that you're doing, This
certainly a lot. Where do people find Where can people
find the events that you're doing on social media? If
you look on Instagram, underscore cook with Wisdom. I'll have

(01:13:49):
a list of all the upcoming events on my bio.
I have links to tickets in my bio, tickets for
the Flavor Profile dinner, tickets to the Oys your pop up.
Check out Hellbent Booking that's my friend Ross. He books
all the hardcore metal shows that's gonna be in Providence.
Uh yeah, just just look at my page. And if

(01:14:10):
you like cool Ship, you will like my ship. There
you go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
I think if you like this podcast you definitely like
cool Ship, you will like Mike Wisdoms. Mike Wisdom, shut up,
well you are shock up Mike as always, as always
my friend, standing invitation to come back anytime, as much
fun as we did. And yeah, come back anytime you
But this has been another episode of America's Hometown Harbor,

(01:14:37):
been joined by Kat and Andrew as well as our
friend Mike. You know, lady gentlemen say beautiful. I love it.
That was good. All right, go watch the monkey. It's
a lot of fun and is chiming into way to
go now he's not gonna wake up good. All right,
thanks for tuning in another episode.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Hey everyone, it's Mike from America's Hometown Horror and I
want to say thanks again for listening to another episode
of our show. If you're interested in more local Plymouth podcasts,
I'd highly recommend you check out the show from our
friends over on the Inebriart podcast Network. In addition to
America's Hometown Horror, you can find shows from Inebriart, The
Old Colony Cast, Bar Talk, Theme Park Legends, and Retrodoctopus,

(01:15:32):
so head on over and give them a listen.

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