The Substance (2024)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As you ever dreamt of a better version of yourself,
younger or beautiful or perfect. One single injection unlocks your DNA,
starting a new cellular division that will release another version
of yourself. This is the substance. You are the matrix.

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Everything comes from you, and everything is you. This is
simply a better version of yourself. You just have to share.
One week for one and one week for the other,
a perfect balance of seven days each. The one and
only thing not to forget. You are one you can't

(00:41):
escape from yourself.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:38):
On with the show, all right, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Hello, Hello, good evening, and welcome into another episode of
America's Hometown Horror. Thanks so much for checking back and
with us. We certainly appreciate it. My name is Mike
and I'll be hosting you throughout this adventure tonight talking
about a very popular movie from the Year of Our
Lord twenty twenty four. And I ask all of you,
dear listeners, please remember you are one. That's all you

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need to know, all right, you are one. And of course,
that little audio clip that I just played at the
beginning of the episode for Everyboddy if you had a
chance to listen to. That was a nice little marketing
piece of promotion that the creators of the Substance did
to promote the film. An actual number that you can
still call and you get a message talking about the Substance,

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which is pretty cool. But we will get back into
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dear listeners, And of course I don't do this alone.
I am joined by the original other two amigos, Andrew

(04:08):
and Kat. Gentlemen, lady, Hello, how are you hi? What's up?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Buddies?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
How are we doing? Im good? Doing good at a
little bit, certainly been a little bit. You guys are
ready to transform and uh and and be a better
version of yourself.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
I'm really excited to talk about this movie.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, I'm I'm actually pleasantly surprised that you enjoyed this movie.
I thought for sure that when you watched it you
might be like, yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
Really, yeah, that's weird that you think that.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, I know, body horror isn't typically your type of thing.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
It's better than worms and aliens, a dampire.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
I mean, this was this was a every Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I mean, I would argue again.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
I know, it's very real, scare, this is something that
could happen. This is right up my.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Very real this movie, that's very real.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
This is I mean, it relates to a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
It could be a commercial, but it's not.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
You never know, certainly a lot of things you can
tie this movie into these days. But anyway, we will
get into that just again a few short moments here,
But guys, what's going on? How's everybody doing? Good? Yeah,
I already asked that. I think, right, what's new in
everybody's world? Anything interesting going on? Anybody watching anything spooky
they want to talk about? Before we get into tonight's
movie film, Catherine's hand is up? Just like in sixth grade? Catherine,

(05:38):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (05:39):
I started the series Adolescence.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
I was talking to Andrew about this earlier I talked
about you with You, are there with You. It's I
think like a couple episodes in, but the concept is interesting.
One of my friends said, she's like, you know, Bridge
isn't old enough that like it's gonna hit you too hard.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
But like it's about quick, real quick, overhead, high level.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
A kid, first episode, first scene, gets accused of killing someone.
They break into this family's house to get this thirteen
year old who is a prime suspect, main suspect of
a murder that happened, and.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
You kind of see all this. You're starting to see
all this unfold. The police like go to the schools,
they start.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
To interview the kids.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
You see this kid, this thirteen year old get booked
and you don't know what happened. Everyone's very confused as
to why he's just taken out of his house with
these people with guns. Like it's it's a crazy, crazy
scene the first the first episode, and from what I'm
going to expect, it's going to go down the rabbit
hole of what things mean, how things unfold, like between kids,

(07:03):
especially like it's a different generation now the kids that
are in they're thirteen, what are they in.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Almost middle school? Eighth grade, maybe freshman high school ish. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, I was like when I was young for my
age group, so I was like, I think twelve or
thirteen when I was in eighth grade or like seventh
eighth grade. Yeah, so that sounds about right, just before
high school.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
And it's wild how they go through Everything is taken
within one shot for each episode. Every episode is one shot.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I heard that was the gimmick with this is that
everything is like a single take, which I mean they
can edit things these days to make it look like that.
But I don't know if it actually is not continued.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
If I mean, I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
I mean, when you watch it, you're just like it's
so easy to go through these episodes, like I can't
wait to keep.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Watching this, But.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
It's scary because, like I mean, when I worked in
high school in one of my former jobs, it's scary nowadays.
All of a sudden, it's like you're having these lockdowns
versus just fire drills and stuff. So like you have
kids that are like, you know, there's a fire drill.
This isn't a spoiler thing.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
There's a fire drill. At one point in school, all
the kids file out they're like, oh my god, is
it terrorists.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
It's so strange because like you never would think that
when we were kids, but like nowadays.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
It's a whole other world that you live in. There's
a whole other world of all other We were kids
that there's a terrorist. When there's a fire drill when
you're in middle.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
School, I think that it's a school shooting like Columbine.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
No, you wouldn't because you weren't. You weren't that happened
after you were a kid. I'm saying when we.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
Talking about when we mind that was two thousand and one, okay,
two thousand, I think I was a child when that's.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
Not your immediate thought when you were a kid at
that point in time, Like nowadays, I feel like you
practice these lockdowns. Like I was in I was in
high school when nine to eleven happened, Like that was
the first terrorist attack that I ever lived through.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
That was like you're still like thirteen.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
I was a freshman in high school.

Speaker 6 (09:02):
Yes, I was freshman high school and my second day
freshman year, so like a child, I was.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
Yes, But we didn't practice at that point in time,
we didn't practice lockdown drills. No, we practiced fire drills
that that wasn't like a big security issue. But now
all of a sudden, nowadays kids live in a whole other.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
World than we did, and like you see as they
go different things about social media because social media is
also huge, which wasn't a big thing when we were kids.
I don't have anything. I barely have pictures from when
I was in high school, which is awesome for me.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
I'm happy that my.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
Whole life wasn't recorded on social media when I was
in high school because I wouldn't want that on the internet.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
But nowadays kids live Instagram, they live on whatever other
little channels that they want to be on whenever it is.
And also this also says like it dies a little
bit deeper, saying what certain emoji mean, which are different
than what we perceive them to be unless we look
them up on Google or whatever. But like gen Z

(10:09):
has a completely different gen Z gen Alpha, they have
all different language than what we know, which they start
to unravel and where I am right.

Speaker 6 (10:20):
Now in the series, which is only like two episodes,
but yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
An awesome show. I can't wait to keep going with it.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
I can second that it would have been a not
a great thing growing up to have everything online. So
I think that kids these days are definitely dealing with
a different type. I mean, they've grown up with it,
so I feel like they're probably almost a little bit
used to it.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I don't, but they also choose to do it.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
They choose to do it. And there's also I mean,
I would argue that they're kind of at a disadvantage
from the get go because what other option is there
than to do it right right right? But I mean,
you don't have to, you don't have to.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
But then I don't feel like you would be involved
in like a club, like a click.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Be involved in the click that's not doing that. There's
plenty of kids that don't do that.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
I know that, but I think that the general population
of that generation I can take obviously.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yeah, because I was never one of the the.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Now though, because I'm old.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
But I don't think it's really just like trend. It's
not really a trend. It's kind of like expected. And
it's not on like Facebook.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I'm trying to say, it's.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Not on Facebook. It's on Instagram. It's on you have
to be on TikTok, like you don't.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Have to post things. You can just watch things.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
Something right, but you can like things, you can comment,
you can, yes, you can.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
You still have those abilities.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
And I think there's obviously a difference between like if
you're an adult and you fuck up, everybody has a
bad day, you can make steak and if people are
recording you. The Internet is printed in ink to quote,
the social network, and it's out there forever, and if
you're on video doing something stupid, it's never going to
go away. Different thing if you're an adult versus if
you're like, you know, fourteen, thirteen years old, where you're

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a kid and you're supposed to do stupid things from
time to time within reason, and then the biggest mistake
you make in your life is plastered all over your
high school, uh you know, fellow high school hers, social
media pages, and all over the internet. That's got to
be a really hard thing for kids these days to
make mistakes. So it's like, I don't know, the Internet

(12:29):
is a good thing, but it's also can be a
really bad thing. So we can you know what what
generation created the Internet? It wasn't millennials, it was what
gen X, So we can thank gen X for that?
What what the Internet has evolved into. But yeah, I
do want to check the show out, so it's not worse.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
No, I'm think jobs like a book.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Maybe I don't know, I could be Missmillgates. I thought
the internet actual, so like maybe gen X was popularized
to the Internet.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
But whoever invented it was booked.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, probably than so, like let me put it look
like a what we was gonna say, So this is
not horror, right, but also like just kind of like
what was that show we watched last year, the Stalker
show that was Baby Reindeer, like that kind of thing.
It was Baby Reindeer. But I do know. So the
actor who plays the dad in this, the guy's named

(13:17):
Stephen Graham. He's an English actor and he's awesome. He
was al Capone and Boardwalk Empire and he was He
had a pretty decent sized role in The Irishman, the
Scorsese movie. He always plays like gangsters, like he kind
of does a really good job doing like the Italian thing,
which why he played Alcapone. But he's actually a British
guy and he's like he's a really good actor.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
So in nineteen ninety three, the World Wide Web Software
was released into the public so yes, you could say
gen X.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's popular into what it is now.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
But didn't create the Internet.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, fair enough.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
The Internet's been around.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
The Internet's been around since the sixties, aliens, but not
to the public.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
That's the detailed time around. Since the sixties was not
available to the public. It was used in like.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Development of US de permanent defense projects. Yeah, like, I
mean it was used on a.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Higher level than so it's been around for longer. But
it was obviously popularized when the PC came home and
Max started showing up people's houses.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Al, I mean I had who else did?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Of course I did. Everyone say I know you had
AOL because you and I used to chat on AOL
and messengers. Yeah, screen names Circi clown.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
And screen can't be that's me bb girl five. I
had a lot of screen names.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Multiple aliases. Do you use AOL and messenger? He did?

Speaker 5 (14:38):
What was your screen name?

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Fatal Hands.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
It's a combination of fatally yours by Alkaline Trio and
hands down by dashboard Confessional.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
That wow, real cool?

Speaker 7 (14:50):
Just so email xx, fatal hands excess.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Andrew up on a well it se messenger ex fatal hands.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
I was Shamrock, Wallshy or Wall she thirteen usually were
my two things. We're gonna say. So, okay, so the
Sun Netflix, right, yes? How many? How many episodes are there?

Speaker 5 (15:20):
I want to see eight, but I can I can check.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Well talking about this show enough?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, I don't care that much.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Halfway it's for like ten minutes. There's no time for anyone. Okay,
what do you want to I don't know nothing now
nothing rude? Rude?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:41):
What else have you watched?

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Not much?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Okay, andrew watching anything cool lately? I know you watched
that one thing. You know.

Speaker 7 (15:48):
I had watched something and then I immediately just like
forgot what I watched.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
So I've all caught up on Yellow Jackets, still very good,
saying still like it?

Speaker 5 (15:56):
That's on Showtime.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
We don't have show no, but apparently interesting. You can
get it on Paramount plus show.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
The same thing is that I don't know that, so.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
We should maybe check that. Yeah, I don't. We're behind
on TV. We're behind on Yellow Jackets. We haven't even
started that or the White Lotus new season, which is
a really good show. The Yeah, so we're behind on TV.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
Watch I have do you have you have?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
That's a really good show HBO.

Speaker 7 (16:24):
Yeah, on the HBO, I have HBO?

Speaker 4 (16:29):
What do you Bill Belichick? The snapfis I.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Said that, yeah, because it was an old thing from
s n L. Norm McDonald playing David Letterman talking to
Paul Schaeffer saying, do you uh do you have the HBO? Paul,
do you have the HBO? Yep? Oh wow, old Saturday
Night Live joke. Never mind, I know what you watched.
I watched The lawnmower Man, Yeah, which obviously old, weird

(16:52):
moving did man.

Speaker 7 (16:56):
It was it was like a combination of like Obo
Chimp meets simple Jack.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Meets I don't know.

Speaker 7 (17:08):
It's a very strange movie, not bad, like it gets
a lot of bad rap because it was based off
of supposedly a Stephen King short story, which it has
nothing to do with. So Stephen King sued them because
they basically just used the name and then the story's
completely way different, not even way different, not even in
the same universe.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
It has nothing to do with that story.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
Pierce Brosson, he's a stud as always.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
But yeah, it's it's not bad. It's long. It was
like two hours and twenty minutes, very long. Some bad like.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
Special effects but a cool an interesting concept for a
movie enjoyable.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
I didn't hate it. It was some bad acting, bad
special effects, but.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
It's bought, entertaining, bought so for a movie that I
have never watched.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
It just kept popping up and I was like, you know,
I need to watch it.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Was totally random when you texted me last night asking
if I had seen it, and I was like, you
know what, I don't think I ever have, because I
had heard that the the movie was way different than
the story, and the story is really strange, Like really, yeah,
that's really weird.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
I read the synopsis on then it's like a guy
that falls around Alamo and he eats fucking dog shit off.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
The ground or whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
The grass clipping makes no sense, and I know it
has some sort of ties into like ancient mythology with
like great God Pan and like all kinds of weird
stuff like that. So it's a very strange, coked out steak. Yeah,
yeah to the lawnmower Man. Where to find that one?
Just on Prime for free clam Amazon movies you might like?

Speaker 4 (18:43):
And I was like really might maybe, Okay, I'll watch it. Okay,
I'm bad, fair enough, did you hear.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
I was just gonna. I was trying to look it up.
When I was in the car today, I heard on
the radio something about a new Carrie potentially.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Being I did hear something about they were doing a
Carry remake or a Carrie reboot of something.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
With a director that I feel like we have talked
about pretty often. No, I feel like it was Diard.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I don't think it's our gento. Let's see. As of
a couple of hours ago, Millie Shapiro to star as
Carrie in the Mike Flannagan remake of Carry, So it
is Mike Flannagan. Millie Shapiro, by the way, was the
little girl in Hereditary, the weird little girl in Hereditary,
so I feel like she'd be a really good choice
for Carrie. That's an interesting choice. Mike Flannagan, I feel,

(19:37):
is always working on some sort of.

Speaker 7 (19:38):
Steven Isn't Isn't the Fucking Gunslinger supposed to be coming.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Out, so he's supposed to be doing a Dark Tower
TV series. He's doing a movie called the Life of Chuck,
which is based on a Stephen King story that's coming
out soon, very soon. And now he's working on a
Carry remake as well. Like Mike Flanagan just doing all
that you would appreciate.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
That is appreciate, appreciate.

Speaker 7 (19:59):
Is the Twister not the movie based off of the
documentary about the Twister in Joplin, Missouri, back in twenty eleven,
which was like a F five.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Like real life horror, Like there's there's.

Speaker 7 (20:14):
They have like recordings on people's phones of them like
in the Twister, like while it's happening.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
It sounds brific. Where Joplin, Missouri one.

Speaker 7 (20:20):
Of the most where Netflix, let's go the Twister.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
You had cat Netflix and Twister, the word.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Twister it was.

Speaker 7 (20:27):
I watched it and I was like, people like thrown,
like pulled out of their cars, thrown and they survived.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
I was like, that is horrible. And it's like they
have like the recording of.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Them that's insane.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
I'm like, whose phone is wild?

Speaker 6 (20:38):
Well, I mean.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Like the destruction from that tornado was insane.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Oh but five Finger of God, the Twister, the Twister. Yeah,
so yes, I will say so. I almost started the
Life of Jenny Penn the other night on Shutter, but
I didn't. I Yes, the John Liftgow movie with Jeffrey
rush No, it's on Shutter right now. You watch it

(21:05):
right now. It's called the Life of Jenny Penn and
it's basically a movie about John Liftgow and Jeffrey Rush
are the two main actors, and they're in a nursing
home and they're two older men obviously, and John Liftgau
is this like weird psychopath that has a puppet. No,
it's on Shutter, which we have. You can watch it.
I still I haven't seen it yet, but it's supposed

(21:26):
to be really good. And I almost started the other night,
but I did a cool story. I know. I have been,
on the other hand, kind of trying to read more
this year and listen to more audiobooks, so I've been
burning through some stuff. I know I talked about this
couple episodes ago. I did actually finish the most recent
Stephen King short story collection, You Like It Darker, and
I think it was my favorite collection of short stories
that he's done a long time. I should say I

(21:47):
have read every story in that except for one, a
story called Rattlesnakes, which is a sequel to Kujo. And
I realized I told Matt not here, hoping he comes
back soon around and later I hadn't read Kujo, so
I picked up a copy of Kujo. I just started
Kujo recently. I'm about uh don't know, fifty pages and

(22:08):
it's like interesting so far. I ultimately know where it
ends up, but I still want to read the book
before I read the sequel to that book.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Oh, so they're making a remake of Kujo?

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Are they? I didn't know if they were.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean they're remaking everything these days. I wouldn't be surprised.
But you like it darker, awesome short story collection by King,
if you? If you have been I have kind of
been indifferent on a lot of Stephen King stuff lately
because he's been doing a lot of crime fiction, which
I is not my favorite way that he does things.
It's kind of just him doing a lot of Holly
Gibney stuff and weird old boomerash cops type stuff. So

(22:39):
he's doing that. As Kat puts on a Batman math
that was right next to her.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
Oh, also, Sutter came, did you see that? No, in
the mouth of Madness? Sutter, that's the writer the write
the story in the multi membery in the multiple Yeah,
the Carpenter movie. Yeah, Yeah, they're releasing that book.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Oh, really like a meta, like, yeah, that's fucking awesome.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, discussing article about that.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Oh, I hadn't heard that, So that's that's so like
that story is going to be released. Okay. I was like,
that's really cool. That's pretty awesome. Okay, there is a
there is a really cool love Craftian story it at
the end of You Like It Darker that I really
enjoyed called The Dreamers that's going to be made new
movie at some point soon. So yeah, that that's really good.

(23:25):
You Like It Darker by Steven King, check that out.
I also finished The Queen by Nick Cutter. That was
an audiobook that I listened to. Really good body horror stuff,
really cool. If you like Nick Cutter, this is definitely
right up your alley if you like his like style
of monster, body horror, cool stuff. And again started Kujo
and I also because I want to have an audiobook
in an actual book going at the same time. This year,

(23:46):
I started listening to again The Shining Book twenty years.
Last time I read it was in college, which is
how old I am that I haven't read it in
over twenty years, and I wanted to hear the audiobook
for i'd be old old baby I'll be old all right.
That's what I got. Anybody else have anything they want
to talk about before we jump into this movie here
this evening, No I want to jump in. Let's dive

(24:09):
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Speaker 2 (25:24):
All right, we're back. Thanks for sticking with us through
that little break. We appreciate it. And of course we
are continuing our string here of talking about a lot
of twenty twenty four horror here, which I would argue
folks folks, being Andrew and Kat, I'm a folk, we
might want to diversify a little bit, maybe do something

(25:45):
a little bit different next episode or two. Just since
we've got a lot of twenty twenty four horror over
the last few episodes, we might want to consider doing
something a little different. I know, Andrew brought up a
very good topic. We might have to find an extra
guest for that, because I feel like drafts are very
good with four people as opposed to three. We shall see.
But anyway, let's continue that string of twenty twenty four

(26:06):
horror movies tonight and talk about thus Substance, which of
course huge thing in pop culture over the last several months.
It was nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards,
amongst several other awards, which I will touch on here
in a little bit. But for some reason, you've been
living under a rock as a horror fan and you
have not heard of this movie. The Substance is a

(26:26):
twenty twenty four body horror film written and directed by
Cora Lee far Jah. That's how you pronounce her name,
Corley Farja. Yep, I looked it up. I had to
remember it because well, that's it. So I googled her
name and I googled pronunciation and it pretty much said

(26:47):
the first thing that popped up pretty much it said,
if you're pronouncing the name, remember gold Member Farja. Cora
Lee far Jaw cor Le Farjah. This is her second
feature film, I believe, first one being a movie called
Revenge that was a shutter exclusive release that is still
on Shutter right now that I wanted to check out
before we did this episode tonight. But it seems like

(27:07):
she has very similar themes that she works through in
her movies. Uh, mainly a lot of feminist themes and
a lot of kind of reversing of the male gaze.
If you will, which I am interested to hear your
thoughts in this movie. Cat being our obviously the only
woman on this podcast, I think.

Speaker 7 (27:25):
That you would provide a very good perspective on Z
not to be confused with a yes.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yes, yes, gay I could see.

Speaker 7 (27:41):
I mean so.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
The Substance follows a fading celebrity named Elizabeth Spark never
heard of a semi tractor trailer before who who? After
being fired by her producer played by Dennis Quaid in
an all time role due to her age, uses a
black market draw that creates a younger version of herself
played by Margaret Qually that produces unexpected side effects. And

(28:08):
that is a very broad plot description, and I would say,
if you haven't seen this yet, go in with nothing
else other than that, because this movie is a fucking
wild ride.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
That's what I did, and I totally agree with that.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yep. Absolutely noted for its satirical elements and grotesque, hyper
realistic imagery. The Substance is Farjaw. Farjaw's second feature film
after that movie Revenge that I talked about Andrew, Here's
one that you'll love. And I think this just speaks
to the type of director she is, type of filmmaker
she wants to be, and I really respect this a lot.

(28:41):
After the critical success of this movie, Revenge that was
released in twenty seventeen, she was given the opportunity to
direct the Black Widow movie for the Marvel Cinematic Universe,
and she turned it down to make the Substance, which
is awesome, damn good decision, very damn goodness.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
I think she'll be remembered fondly for that because Black
Widow terrible in Substance made.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
For all time.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Movie. I think it's I think it is probably I
think it's probably my favorite body horror movie aside from
The Fly. It's right, it's on power with that, it's
that it's up there. Yeah, but yeah, she she said
has said in several interviews that the prospect of a
studio film did not appeal to her because she wanted
to have final cut privilege, basically the final say over

(29:30):
whatever whatever she wanted to have in the final cut
of a particular movie, which she couldn't have done for
a Marvel Cinematic Unit Universe movie. The Substance, by the way,
is exclusively streaming OOBI that's m U b I, which
I had never heard of. They also made they also, Yeah,
I guess they also a studio. It's I don't really

(29:52):
know because it's because when I bought, I have I
own the movie. Yeah, And It just says movie. It
doesn't say like any other production, Tom you Yeah, no production.
It's not like it's like Paramount or something else. It's
so you're you're, you're your Blue rays still upstairs. But
because you you lent Cat the Blu Ray to watch
it last night and I had seen it. I got
the free trial of movie to strictly watch this movie

(30:13):
to be confused with Booby not Booby as well. Yes
that's if you like Booby's. There are a lot of
those in this particular movie as well. This is definitely
what are your feelings on Mark rat Pauley now, Cat?
Oh yeah, right, So I did see some things that
I will present to you guys. Apparently a lot of
the nudity that is attributed to her in this movie

(30:36):
is fake. Yeah that's fine. Yeah, Okay, still looks still
still yeah, still still an attractive woman.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Still Okay. So they maybe they cover over her naps
with like because that's like a big thing.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
So I did see that her her breasts in this
movie were prosthetics. They weren't her actual boobs, which you know,
I don't know if I.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Like, because you see like you looks doesn't look like
they're that you know, supple perfect.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah, but you know, well in other movies and.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, well, I mean the only so the only thing
that I knew her from before this, Margaret Quality obviously
was playing the the the hippie with the armpit hair
who tries to seduce Brad Pitt in Once upon a
Time in Hollywood.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
I don't think she has that big of a rack
in that saying.

Speaker 7 (31:23):
I mean, but also then I just watched The Nice Guys.
That would be fantastic, Like I rewatched it.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
She's in that. Oh I don't know she was in that.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Yeah, yah, she's the like she dies like she's like the.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 7 (31:33):
The Main's a great movie. Is so good, that's probably right,
like one of the best.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Gosbeling and Russell Crowe, nice little noir film, for sure,
it's very good.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
So yeah, there's no boobs in real life, so they're
not they're not there.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
So a couple of couple of things that I know
about Margaret Qualley. She's married to Jack Antonoff, who is
the the Bleachers, the lead singer of Bleachers, and he's
that band fun and he also he's the producer for
all of Taylor Swift's stuff, so he writes all Taylor
Swift's music, so she's married to him. I only remembered
her from once upon a time in Hollywood, and I

(32:12):
remember when I think Matt saw this movie first, and
Matt was like, dude, Margaret Qualley is so friggin' hawk
about the same person here. And I was like like what,
like okay, like she yeah, she's like kind of pretty.
And then I saw this movie and I was just like, oh, okay,
so this is the type of movie it's gonna be.
It's definitely it shot like you would never think if

(32:33):
you watch this movie blind blindly, I should say that
it was directed by a woman. I feel like this
movie feels like it feels like it's shot by the
horniest guy walking planet Earth.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
I don't really think that at all.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
No, I feel like it's just with the with the
it's definitely shot through again.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
But I think the way that they portray men in
this is, oh it's a giveaway.

Speaker 7 (32:56):
Oh yeah, Like the scene where what's the space danis
Quid's just eating shrimp over the top.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
She said that, like what's her face? Uh faja faja said.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
She's like she wanted it to make the most over
the top, Yes, because when she did it, they were like,
this is way too over the top of her, that's what.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
And him just sucking his thing, and this.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Is pulding the heads off the shrimp on the project.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
That would be directed by Yeah, because she was that
was showing like disgusting.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
So he did see when I was researching this movie earlier,
in that particular scene to get all the cuts that
they needed, Dennis Quaid apparently ate almost four pounds of shrimp.
I wonder if the ocean that is the ocean call
they're running out of you. But again this is seeming
exclusively on movie. To get back to topic here. It

(33:46):
has an eighty nine critics score on Rotten Tomatos. Oh,
we are gonna get there. We're gonna get there. I'm
gonna I'm gonna go do first. I'm not. I'm not
skipping over you. Nope, eighty critics score on Rotten Tomatoes,
seventy five percent audience score coming off the fact that
we did No Saratu last time out. Both of those
scores are higher than No. Sfaratu, And I think this

(34:09):
is a better movie than No. Sfaratu personally. Yeah, sure,
you probably think so too. More entertaining, more entertaining, for
sure better.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
I'd watch this again in a heartbeat.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeh, much more a remake it like why is this? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (34:24):
Mad?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Budget by the way, was eighteen million dollars and return
somewhere between. It was tough to find between seventy seven
and eighty two million dollars the box office, so by
far the biggest return on investment for movies.

Speaker 7 (34:37):
Fifty years from now, you'll remember the substance. We will
remember it, but it won't be like this. The substance
will be remembered like Reanimator.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Or like you know, from Beyond Yeah, which I feel
like both those movies are inspirations for this.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
It will be like the new Age Barbara Cramped.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Who knows, when we're podcasting ten years from now, we're
gonna be like, oh, the substance. It's gonna be like
it follows. It's gonna be like one of those.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
You know, crazy and it's one of those movies.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
Oh and Knowsaratu came out that year, remember that movie.
That's that's how it's It's still a beautiful movie.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
It's well done, yeah, but is great. I feel like
this is substance.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Oh yeah, I remember that was a good version of
that's literally what's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
I mean, you're not even gonna remember that you watched
any of these movies anyway.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
So I think I remember the substance. I think that was.
The visuals in this I think are ingrained and oh.

Speaker 7 (35:31):
Yeah, like there's the scenes in this. I they're all
going to forget this and they're all practical. No skin
got fucked up making this movie, apparently, she said.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
She said like it was her skin was awful.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
But I think the v from a lot of others.
Again similar to Nose Faratu, right, because people love that
movie as well, But critics love this movie. Arling at
the Golden Globes and at the Oscars. So at the
eighty second Golden Globe Awards, the film received five nominations,
including Best Picture Musical or Comedy not a Musical not
a comedy, which is weird?

Speaker 5 (36:06):
Would it be?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Music Rights, Best Director for far Jah, Best Actress for
Demi Moore, Best Supporting Actress for Quali, Best Screenplay for
far Jah, and to me Moore one Best Actress, which
is incredible. I was so happy did win. She was awesome.
She additionally won Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in
a Leading Role in a Motion Picture at the thirty

(36:28):
first Screen Actors Guild Awards, and then at the Academy
Awards past year, the Substance got nominated for five awards,
won for Best Makeup and hairstyling, lost for Best Picture,
Best Original Screenplay, Best Director, and Best Actress. For more,
far Jah by the Way became the first one. It

(36:49):
won Best Makeup and Hairstyle.

Speaker 7 (36:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Far Jah by the Way became the first woman to
be nominated for writing and directing a horror film and
the ninth woman overall to be nominated for directing overall,
the ninth woman overall to be nominated for directing an
Academy Awards history. Yeah, which absolutely deserved. This movie is awesome.
She did a great job with it, and I think
when you read a lot a lot about behind the scenes,

(37:14):
like where she came up with the idea for this
movie and how she saw it through to the end,
Like she deserves every bit of the accolades that she's getting.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
They are calling this by the Way the seventh horror
film to be nominated for Academy Award for Best Picture,
the only one that is won, has been Sounds of
the Lambs. Can you guys name the other five films?
Shining Nope, seven, nope, Jaws. Jaws was one nominated for

(37:47):
what Best Picture at the Oscars? Jaws is one. There's five?

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Why don't we come back?

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Don't give me a decade?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, So there were two in the seventies, was just
one of them.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
U Oh, this is too much, there's too much pressure. Wait,
can we go back? Can we think of this?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
First horror movie to ever be nominated for an Academy
Award nineteen seventy three, Your Mother Sucks Cox in Hell, Oh,
Exorcise nominated for us so, The Exorcist and Jaws. In
the seventies there was one again, well, Sounds of the Lambs.
I already said one in nineteen ninety one. There was
one other film in the nineties, the year nineteen ninety nine,

(38:28):
not The Mummy, Not the Mummy, unfortunately, not the Mummy.
There were two actors. Three actors from it got nominated
for Acting Awards.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
It goes.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Sixth sense in nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
I forgot about that. I did I remember when?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
And there were two in the twenty tens. One was
very recently, that is pretty easy to get. The other one,
I feel like is kind of on the borderline that
nobody would get due.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
I don't know, I have no I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I don't know I would know when you say it'd
be like, oh, so the big one. The big one
was get Out, get nominated for the Best Picture.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
I wouldn't have that.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
In twenty seventeen and in twenty ten, Darren Aronofsky's Black Swan.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Oh, I love that.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
You've never never seen that Swan. I've never seen it.
Oh gosh, that's my next.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
I never read an article that compared Black Swan. I
can't believe it was another horror.

Speaker 9 (39:32):
I can't what it was.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
And it was like so outside the box that I'm
curious what it was.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Okay, that's fine, I love that movie.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
That's great, So one of my next pictures.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
While do you think that's another I didn't.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Even realize that was categorized.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
That's again whatever, it's on the borderline.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Yeah, that's that's why I wouldn't consider it.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Or but would you? Okay, so would you consider Aronofsky's
other films like Requiem for a Dream or Mother to
Be Her Mother?

Speaker 10 (40:01):
I say, yes, absolutely recommend for a Dream, Abbs to
fusolutely that thing could give you nightmares, which I actually
was thinking that this movie kind of parallels that on
a lot of levels.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
So I did see that was one of the inspirations
for a Dream.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
Yeah, I can see that clear as day, a lot
of levels, which which is kind of why I love
this movie.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, let me see where I had this so so far.
Jah has said that the film's influences, by the way,
and I can see all of these.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
I want to hang out with her and get drinks.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
David Cronenberg's The Fly, John Carpenter's The Thing, Joel and
Ethan Cohen's Barton Fink, David Lynch's Mulholland Drive, Aronofsky's Requiem
for a Dream, and Stanley Kubrick's two thousand and one
A Space Odyssey. Interesting, interesting inspirations.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
So so many Requiem references.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
In this I like so many, just with the with
the eyeballs, like the eyeball stuff, not even the all
that's that's what made me think of it.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Oh no, there's it's so much more than that. I've
watched record a million times. Favorites like Peril, like yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
I'm like, I'm like, oh, I want to go downstairs
and decompress in the basement. I'm gonna you know, it's
throw on bad room. So now that's my that's my decompression.
That and saw saw too sometimes.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
That was my little introduction for the movie and some
facts to start off. So I think it's now a
perfect time to give you the floor cat. Since you
saw this movie. You were the most uh fresh eyes
seeing this movie. So yeah, obviously, what do you think
the substance cat, I'm very happy that you like this.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
I loved this, loved it a lot. Two thumbs way
way up.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
If I could replicate and do some substance of myself
and have more thumbs and have better thumbs to add
to thumb thumb.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
I would give it four thumbs up. To be honest,
it was.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
It was awesome.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
Like I said a lot of the things, like I
really liked kind of paralleled to Requiem, where it was
like this idea, like it's the grandmother in there who
thinks she's gonna be like TV. She's gonna be a star,
She's gonna be this like great thing like I'm going
to be on TV. I'm gonna be on TV and
then in the same sense, her son who is shooting up.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
And has these track marks and like he's just like,
I need more, I need more. It literally parallels this
so much.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
It's wild and to the point where like they both
just spiral and then they explode.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
It's literally the same. It like it parallels on so
different levels, so many different levels. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
I love it because it's very similar in a lot
of ways.

Speaker 6 (42:44):
Okay, but even like even more so, it's not as
druggy and like heavy and stuff, but it's well well
druggy in a sense of now nowadays where it's scary
drugs like we were talking about ozembic earlier and stuff
like that, you don't necessarily know we're on they're on
the market, but you don't know what they're gonna do.
Like you're hoping that they work and you hope that

(43:06):
they don't have crazy side effects, and you see the
side effects of these things, and you see the really
really dark side of these things.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Well, some's a big one that I thought of because
a lot of people don't, like, we don't know what
the major side effects of that are going to be,
and a lot of people are using it. I mean
self Park made fun of it big time, and that's
a big thing.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
It's more, it's not it's drugs in general, but it's
the abuse of drugs because it's if you use this
drug properly, you're fine seven days on, seven days up.
But if you abuse the drug, that's when you start
to your body starts to fall apart, shit starts to happen.
So it is a drug then if used properly, it's
a drug abuse. It's she's abusing, yeah, which basically is

(43:43):
because she can't control herself, because she likes the feeling that.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
It concerned, right, which is why she started doing this
drug to begin with, because she was appealing because it
seemed all.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
That had to do is self control, right, But she
was already.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
A beautiful person and she wanted more.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I would argue that she's put in this position Elizabeth Sparkle,
by the way, to Demi Moore's character, because of the
misogynistic nature of Hollywood in general and the way that
Hollywood treats women. This is definitely so when I was

(44:20):
saying earlier that this definitely it feels like it was
shot by a horny guy. I'm talking about specifically like
the workout scenes and all the nudity and all that.
But there's obviously a lot of gross stuff in there too,
but they do make every single Hollywood executive look like
a complete and total pig, especially Dennis Quaid. No coincidence,

(44:41):
by the way, that his name is Harvey and nobody
else in this movie, by the way, well this is
supposed to be every wine, right, yes, And I didn't
know this until I was searching it. Nobody else in
the entire movie has a last name except for Demi
Morris character Elizabeth Sparkle. Everybody else just has the first yeah. Right.
So it's it's sad because you know it's starting to

(45:08):
change now, I feel like, but this is definitely I
feel like traditionally how Hollywood has viewed a lot of women, like,
once you age out of certain roles, here's the problem,
you're not eligible for him anymore.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
That's almost every game.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
It's not it's who's Hollywood doing this for, it's us.

Speaker 7 (45:29):
It's people that want to be entertained, the watchers. We
don't want to see some old bag on TV.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
That has nothing.

Speaker 7 (45:36):
The producers are just doing what needs to be done
for this to happen. But also Elizabeth Sparkle, whatever her
name is. Yeah, that's sad. She at the end of
her run. But she also made a lot of money
based off of her appearance. So I just walked away,
went into the sunset and take her took her money
and did something else.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
She couldn't she was too vain. She was too vain.
She wanted the spot like she couldn't waiver it. So
it's it's it's fifty to fifty.

Speaker 7 (46:01):
Yeah, is it fucked up that that's how Hollywood is, sure,
But is it anyone's fault.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
No, We're all vain human beings that see what we
and we can pretend I'm not that way.

Speaker 7 (46:13):
Oh I see other things now, we're all fucking We
all want something pleasurable to the.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Eye, especially when you put it in the context that Hollywood.
There's a lot of roles out there for aging and
older men, right that, Yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Mature.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
There are a lot of people out there, are a
lot of people out there that have the opinion that
as men get older, they age like a fine wine,
and they get a little bit, you know, they become
a little bit more distinguished, They get like, you know,
salt pepper hair like it's a different thing, like it's
Hollywood does not look at women that way.

Speaker 7 (46:53):
It's not Hollywood though, it's it's the viewer or women
like older men. Women find older men attractive. Men find
young younger women, so they're portraying.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Do you think all women find older women.

Speaker 7 (47:06):
There's a there's a group of women that think Clinias
would is so sexy in his old age, which is insane.
George Cline sexy old silver.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Then there's also the cougars and the younger.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Men there is, but you have you're going for the
the main group of people.

Speaker 7 (47:22):
So majority of the majority of men find younger women
attract just the way it is look at it.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Majority of women. I think men are much better looking
and much more they can.

Speaker 7 (47:35):
Identify with them more when they're older fifties, but mere
exactly the same. So it's they're just they're just basing
it off of like the human that's how we're built,
that's what we do.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Yes, it's not.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I guess they're just taking.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
It's like if you're marketing towards someone that who towards
who we take. And also the same thing with cigarettes, I.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Would find it hard to believe that younger women find
uh low riding ball sacks to be particularly attractive. I
think it's probably just uh, you know, success prestige, and
women explain low riding balls hang older men with fucking
old balls. Random say, I mean, what so would you think?

Speaker 3 (48:20):
What so?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
A random twenty five year old woman finds a sixty
five year old guy to be completely attractive.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
So Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick.

Speaker 7 (48:29):
He looks like the fucking penguin, right, And I don't
care how much money he has that she still wants
to be with him.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Okay, that's my point. Do you think that she's attracted
to him physically or do you think that she's attracted
I think she's attracted.

Speaker 7 (48:41):
To him mentally in a success which is different. Right,
Men don't give a fuck. A woman could be a
waitress and you're like, she could just be the most
beautiful waitresses ever.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Sistance.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
We only care about physical beauty.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
What I meant by that one.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Most women care about, Oh he looks like he's a great.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Dad or not.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
That'sort that's good comparison, because you can like, I could
be super attracted to this wagress. I'm not saying that
I want to get married to her and then I
want to like kids that are and have a future.
But like I'm attracted her physically or whatever. You women
could be the same way, but in a different sense
of physical instead, they could be attracted to.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Every other.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
That's even though their ballsack might be hanging down. That's
all I meant by low riding.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
They don't care as much as physical as men do.
That's gender.

Speaker 7 (49:28):
Things were all superficial in different ways. Sure, and Hollywood
takes that and uses it to their advantage. So I
don't think and those.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
Are obviously just stereos, are.

Speaker 7 (49:39):
Stereotypes, but it's you, don't You see a lot more
older men with younger women, and see a lot more
younger women with older men.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Women. I think women, some women prefer aspects.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
There are also a lot of older men in Hollywood
out there that date girls that are way younger than them.
Break that is pretty fucking That could be their granddaughters
or their daughters.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
It's weird, that's what we're saying. That's the kids.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
I'm not saying that they're not.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
So I don't think that SO and sos are doing
they see this is how they make money, right, I
get a different reasons.

Speaker 6 (50:16):
Everyone has a reason as to why you're attractive on
whether it be their features, whether it be their you know,
financial circumstances, success, personality, whatever, totally up to that person,
regardless of gender, what you're attracted to a person.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Keep going on this bush here, because it's clearly a
lot of it has to do with money anything.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
It's why certain restaurants do better in certain areas.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
Than We don't need to keep going down this rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
No, I think it's an interesting conversation.

Speaker 9 (50:44):
It's what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (50:45):
It's a rabbit they put certain that is what is
about marketing.

Speaker 11 (50:50):
It's marketing, so I mean, and that's exactly why they
have a billboard outside Well, they have a billboard right
outside of her window that is a huge, major billboard
that you assume is on like a major road or
something that she can see from her top floor apartment.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
That was Demi Moore. I'm gonna call her Demi semi
finals whatever, like Demi Moore. That's I'm on board Demi Moore,
Demi Glaze, Demi. She's Demi. She's looking at herself and
but she's so she's so into herself.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
You notice that she doesn't have a partner, she doesn't
have a boyfriend, she doesn't have a husband, she doesn't
have kids, she doesn't have anything.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
She just has herself.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
She's living with herself, by herself, with a huge as
picture of her on the wall, looking at her billboard
of herself, and now she wants to take drugs to
get a better version of herself. So I mean, duh,
the next better version is going to be her, like
high test pretty much of her when she's younger, and

(51:49):
it's gonna suck her dry because she's gonna be like, yeah, well, yeah,
I'm the better version of yourself, but uh whatever, like
I'm getting all this fame that you are now loose.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, I mean, so, I would say, to quote Andrew
from previous podcasts, this could be seen as a fable,
a tail absolutely as time. You know, like you the
grass is always greener on the other side, people always
want more than they should. Such ape it really yeah,
it really is.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
It's so simple, Like the whole story is very simple,
but the way that they did it is so intense.
The way they shot this was so intense, from like
one scene to another scene, Bright colors, like serious crazy makeup,
all the practical effects. I almost threw up when I

(52:38):
saw the.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
Second eye pop into her eye, Like I literally I
my stomach was just it was I was just like, oh,
I knew it was coming to in the spine. It
was just swollen and like that's like a track mark
that's like erectly from a dream track mark, where like
when he's trying to keep shooting up when he's like

(53:00):
there before they cut off his arm, it was just
a finger.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
The knee. When she's like sitting there and trying to.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Straighten it out and everything.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
Well done, but like also like sewing her up, like
all of it was so and like you're not quite
sure if they're going to show all of that when
you like see like she you see her open this
whole package and you see that there's like here is
the substance, take this, here is the stabilizer, here is this,

(53:34):
and then you see the black like string and the
hook and you're sitting there and you're like, oh, I'm
supposed to sew myself up. Can you imagine? Because you're
still you, but you're looking for beauty absolutely disgusting, and

(53:54):
I'm also thinking to myself. I'm like that I can't really.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
Be is that only that much blood? And like that's
like that easy to sew that up? Just like that really,
like I mean that you could do. I mean, I
know because movie, but I mean.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
I love how they made the substance so green. It
was like a throwback to reanimate or reanimator.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
It was that was a particular inspiration for this film,
she did say. Corley Farjah did say that that was
a particular inspiration for this was the for the green
substance was a reanimator, which absolutely makes sense.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
Does anyone know. One of the things that I was
thinking about was why is the Oh, it's because it's
the stabilizer, right, But.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
Like when she first is that why when she pulls
like this the fluid out of her it's like white,
It's because that's the stabilizer. Yes, And then all of
a sudden, like when it starts to turn different color,
stabilizer is gone. And that's when like she that's when
she's actually like killing well, she's already aging her.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Well. The way that I interpreted it was the fact
was so when Margaret Qualley's character is pulling the fluid
out of Demi Moore's more more and more, it starts
to change color over time because she's getting more and
more decrepit, and the fluid that she's pulling out of
her is breaking down more and more and the time
because because they're not switching.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
That's some of the most disgusting scenes. When she's discussed
this is gonna I'm gonna throw up.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
That was absolutely disgusting. Oh yeah, this this movie is disgusting,
but it also is beautiful in certain ways too. It's
really a good dichotomy.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
When she pulled a chicken leg out of her belly
button was disgusting.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Like, there's so many parts of this movie that I like,
that's the most disgusting part of this movie. That might
have been one of them right there. But also all
of the all of the parts that fall off of
Demi Moore in this movie parallel the parts that fall
off of Jeff Golblum aka Seth Brundle in the Fly,

(55:58):
an ear, a fingernail, teeth, they all fall off, just
pulls them off. Disgusting and great Sophie when her finger
just is like black, gross, like yeah, gross, absolutely gross.
So before we continue here, we did do our top
twenty four, Top ten of twenty twenty four. A few

(56:18):
short months ago, this was my number one film. This
was also Matt's number one film of twenty twenty four.
Probably this would have been your one as well. One.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Uh, I'm not everyone else's number one with me?

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Happy Death Day seven. No, no, I I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
I remember Matt had it at one because I also
had it at one. I was gonna say, Andrew, I
don't remember where you had it, but you had it
significantly lower than Matt. It was maybe six or five
because you didn't like the ending. I thought the ending
was over the top, which it's fine. The ending is
still say it's it's still a bit.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Much, but I get it.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I get it. Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 7 (56:56):
It was a little it was well, it was like
it was almost like their fuck you to like the
olden globes and like the like the like the oscars,
like they're.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Just like.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, that's another That's another thing that I love about
this movie is that it clearly is spraying blood and
shipping all over Hollywood elites. It's great.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
I mean walking down the like through the holly. Can
we paper face.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
About that last bit where she's like that crazy monster
and she's like.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
On Sparkle is dead at that point, so Demi Moore
is dead, but she's coming out of yeah, and she
throws up a tip out of her fucking face onto
the floor while she's on stage, and then they all

(57:53):
start just going about like over the top screams. Everyone
just pointing and screaming, and the guy hits her in
the in the head with the microphone standing. Her head
just explodes and another head comes out. Oh my god,
and then she like her arm falls off and she's
just spraying blood all over the audience. Insane, insane stuff.
This is a crazy movie.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
And how ironic it is that she just slurps back
to her star and she's like and then she just
disintegrades and then she gets swept up by the streets.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
The movie. The movie ends exactly where it starts. Yeah,
the movie starts with her star on the Hollywood whatever
it is, and then it ends there Hollywood Hall of Fame. Yeah,
whatever whatever it is. I've never been to. Yeah, that
actually makes sense.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
It just goes out to show over time forgot.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah, we all are just meat sacks that go back
in the eath ashes and dust that's correct. I also
found one particular thing to be interesting about this movie
is that it was far Jah had said that this
movie is inspired by the Oscar wild story the Picture
of Dorian Gray. Are either of you familiar with that story.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Oscar wild I thought, I thought that was like an old.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Oscar Wilde's as an older Irish like he's like hundreds
of years Dorian Gray was from, so Oscar Wilde.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
It's just like Gray was like the picture where he
would look into.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Him to create his Oscar Wilde died in the year
nineteen hundred. Okay, so the picture of the Picture of
Dorian Gray is about a man who manages to avoid
aging by allowing the aging to appear on a painting
of him instead of his real body. However, merely shines
of age portrait ends up more and more monstrous as

(59:38):
a reflection of Grey's immortal behavior immoral excuse me behavior,
just as Elizabeth's body starts tokay quickly when Sue tries
to abuse the substance, Dorian Gray tries to hide the
portrait by moving it into a more private room in
his house and ends up stabbing it again, very similar
to this movie. Elizabeth herself, smashes the poster of herself
that hangs and ends up hiding in a concluded room,

(01:00:01):
builds that secret room off the bathroom where they hide
the bodies and all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
I mean, good for her for doing this occasionally.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
Know Dorian Gray is also a member of the League
of Extraordinary Gentle Yes he is. And also Dorian Gray
was a character in Penny Dreadful. That show that we watched.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Oh, okay, awesome, that was an awesome Oh we watched
the whole thing that That show was fucking great.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
If anyone doesn't know what Dorian Gray is, definitely google.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
It's like.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
It's a good parallel.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, absolutely so to me. Moore was made for Best
Actress for The Oscar for this film. It's her first
ever Oscar nomination after her forty plus year career.

Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
Oh wait, she's this is the first yep time for
been nominated for an Oscar. I mean good for she
should have slie.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
She did amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
It was great, so good. So she lost the Oscar
won the Golden Globe for Best Actress. That was her
first Golden Glow in a forty year career. And this
is obviously funny kind of Despite being the favorite to
win the Oscar by most critics and many fans, Demi
Moore ultimately lost to Mikey Madison for the movie Anora

(01:01:11):
I that I haven't been either, and fans were very
quick to comment on the I that Moore's performance in
a film about agism in the entertainment industry where her
job was given to a much younger woman, ultimately lost
the youngest women to ever win the actress category.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Matt said she was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I've heard the same thing. I haven't seen it yet,
but it's just it's funny how these things. Yeah, don't
you think it's la Rey And I'll take a b
please on your wedding day, on my wedding day. No,
that's I was there on your wedding day. Yes, because
I asked you. I was talking about the Yeah, the

(01:01:55):
alanis Marsett.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
So but anyway, it's like ten thousand knives in your names.

Speaker 7 (01:01:59):
Yep, it's like being a beautiful man. One of these
are ironic. Don't you think that song is called I
wrote nothing, none of.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
The ten thousand ns ten thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
It's ten thousand spoons When all you need is a knife?

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Meet up pretty far.

Speaker 7 (01:02:15):
Irony is beautiful life, right, it's an irony that's just inconvenience.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
Iron it's inconvenience.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah, it's the song should be called inconvenience is what?

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Isn't it an inconvenience? Don't you think?

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
By the way, So in addition to the phone number,
so actually I should bring this up now, so I
the the the number that I called that you heard
at the beginning of this episode came from uh Fangoria
did a special little me edition, little mini magazine that's
about a quarter of the size that they mailed to

(01:02:55):
me before I had seen the substance. It's awesome. It's
about five maybe ten pages. It's exclusively about the substance,
and it interviews Corley Fajah talks about the substance. The
whole thing is here. And it did include a little
postcard that has a number you can call, which is
the message that I played at the beginning of the episode.

(01:03:16):
So when you call that, that's what actually happens. So
they did a really good job marketing this movie. And
I feel like this like the smash success that this
has been came out of left field, which I absolutely love.
Everybody has always focused on at the beginning of any
year for horror movie remakes and big direct in twenty

(01:03:39):
twenty four obviously big year for horror in general. But
this movie, I feel like, was not on a lot
of people's radar at the beginning of the year, and
by mid year it was like, everyone's like, this is
the best fucking horror movie of the year. It's gonna
be really tough. I don't think he was talking when
it was actually released November.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
I brought it up and I was like, what movie,
and I was like, and then I watched I was like,
holy shit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Also, one of my favorite beers the substance from this.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
I think it was October November when it finally came,
and they have a nice wine too.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
There's another wine, oh yeah, yes, And it's a little
periodic kind of logo substance.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
But I honestly, until you guys talked about this movie,
I obviously didn't go see it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
In the movie ditter, I told you fifteen twenty times
you need to see this movie, and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know, I know, And I'm so glad that you
actually liked it. I think, well, first of it was
worried that you didn't about it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
I never even saw it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
It was released September twentieth.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
September twentieth, okay, find it before me.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
I don't remember seeing any sort of trailer or wed
any marketing, like nothing, I don't. I don't remember seeing
anything for this at all, which is weird, and like
all of a.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Sudden, you guys are like substances and I'm like, okay,
cool whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
It's almost what we say is good.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Some some see. The thing is you say sometimes and
like everyone has different tastes. You thought I wasn't gonna
like this. That's what you just said in the beginning
of the episode. You said, I didn't think you're gonna
like this. Why this has like so many parallels with
so many movies that I like, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Well, I I just thought that this movie was going
to be so grotesque and so over the top that
you might find it repub and not like it. That's
what you know.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
Google has reviews, audience reviews. Yes, two point seven stars.
People are idiots, Yeah, people are morons.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Well, that's also a good review.

Speaker 7 (01:05:33):
Yeah, I mean people, the movie is slow, and like
the movie is slow, you're slow you're stupid, You're an idiot.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
So then leaving Google reviews, because it's definitely.

Speaker 7 (01:05:41):
If you're leaving a Google review for a movie, I
don't know any demographic.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Who is that exactly?

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
It's like, what's your demographic? What's the demographic that leaves
Google reviews?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
So I feel like people were in the know. Now
if you're leaving reviews, you're leaving reviews on Rotten Tomatoes
or on letter box.

Speaker 7 (01:05:59):
If you're even if you're on Google, you're in the
right audience. You're like an eighty year old, like, I
want to see what this is. This is on letterbox,
by the way, so continue to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I'll find it. Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
It's gotta be a four star letter Box.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
I would think she's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
It's gotta be up there.

Speaker 7 (01:06:15):
Did you watch The Different Different Man yet, because that's
very not yet up there, that similar style movie but
a different Man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
So the substance on letterbox is three point eight out
of five.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
That's that's good.

Speaker 7 (01:06:29):
I can agree with that, but a Different Man very
it's almost the same concept of a movie just done differently.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
And that's the one with Sebastian Stan the guy who
the guy from the skin.

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
It's basically this guy who is, you know, deformed looking,
and he rates and he has like this story in
this movie, and he his neighbor moves in and she's
like this beautiful woman and she's like a play right,
She like writes there and she decides I'm gonna write
a story for him because he would be such a
fantastic and he's depressed because he doesn't think she'll ever

(01:07:05):
love him because he's disgusting looking, and so he undergoes
this treatment to become normal looking, and he becomes this
normal looking guy, becomes Sebastian Steady, and then she's written this.
He doesn't say, he just pretends like that guy died.
He's like, I'm your new neighbor. He's said, like blah

(01:07:27):
blah blah, I'll play out for this part and I'll
wear this mask and I'll be this guy. And it
just doesn't work. And basically the role he was born
to play he doesn't get to played because he changed
who he was.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
It's a very it's a very like similar movie, not
nearly as.

Speaker 7 (01:07:44):
It's extremely sad, melodramatic.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Like it's very it's just like you should be comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
It's another.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Be comfortable in your skin.

Speaker 7 (01:07:52):
You are, you know who you are, don't don't wish
grass is always greener, same type of story, but just
not as disgusting as since phenomenal movie. I don't think
anyone's talked about it. I think it's on Max.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
I do want to watch that movie, watch that very
good movie. I typically tend to not gravitate towards stuff
that's sad nowadays because I don't like to be make
myself sad when I watch stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
But To Be Substance is a sad movie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
I know, But I look at it in the sense
that it's an awesome body horror movie and it's crazy,
so I like it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
In the scene where like the guy is sitting there
like in bed, like be like, yeah, it's human Ben,
and then all of a sudden.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
He's like, who is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Oh man? When she when she's when she's about to
have sex with that guy that has motorcycle, and her
guts fall out of her back, she runs the bathroom
to go try And.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
I felt like that, So in the sense I don't
think that actually that couldn't actually happened.

Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
I think that was like a well there, then all
of a sudden, it flashes in there, they switched, there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Was there was a lot of stuff in here that
is kind of like dream. Did it actually happen? But
then Demi Moore wakes up and there's a sticky note
on the window saying I was too drunk to drive
my bike. Here's my number. I'll be back to pick
it up. So it did actually happen.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
I don't think her, but I think that I don't
think she couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:34):
Okay, sorry her, But then I'm like this internal battle
if you forget this out.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
But I don't know if she if her insides actually
fell out of her back, because then wouldn't I get
to be like super grossed out because I mean, see
insides on the I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Notice she picked them up and ran she he didn't notice.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Okay, maybe it did happen.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
And then because then I'm thinking to myself, well, she's
the other self, so she doesn't person. She's just thereeing
all the feelings of her as.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
A betteristition to her. They are one, I know exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
They are one.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
So as long as Demi Moore thinks that she's the
same person as her playing field, but no, she's like
she has the idea that this girl.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
Is than her, that she is being more successful than
she ever will be, that she's taking on her new
life and like makes this holding up in her crazy
where she's like in the kitchen trying to cook like
jop a pen but also in a weird like.

Speaker 10 (01:10:38):
Way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
I'm glad you brought that particular scene up because I
think that might have been one of the craziest parts
of the whole movie, where that is the most unhinged
Demi Moore the entire movie, where she's essentially just yelling
her alter ego, who again is herr getting mad at herself.

(01:11:00):
She's taking well and she's just using this French cookbook
that den Quade gave her to make all this disgusting
fatty food, eating all of it, so it affects her
alter ego and it is just like wild. And also
like that that was great her yelling at the TV

(01:11:22):
and yelling at the billboard, like opening up her bathrobe
and like shaking herself. These are the type of scenes
that got de mean More nominated for Best Actress, right,
like these types of things, but then also liam of
dread that I felt when it shows Sue Margaret Quallely,
who has been without going back to the other side

(01:11:45):
for three months leading up to that New Year's Eve party,
You're like, oh my god, what is gonna fucking happen here?
And it happens and you see it. It's wild. But
I was just like, I was just like, oh my god,
this is gonna be fucking really really bad. And it was.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
It was, but it was awesome to But then I
can't even imagine.

Speaker 6 (01:12:06):
I mean, Andre's gonna say because movie, but like how
Demnimore gets up from like the hunchback of not Jam
and gets up and is like putting on her all
of her clothes, and like all of a sudden, it's
like I'm fine, even though I'm like hunching over.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
But then she's walking like.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
I don't know, like well, see that's the part that's
where the movie lost me, because it is now not
at all what it portrayed to be. If you cared
so much about what you look like, you're you're jumping
out building and killing yourself. You're walking into you know,
like a monster.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
I mean, the only thing that was that was going
was thinking that she could transform back into So see.

Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
That that's where it lost because they went this is interesting,
this is outlandish, wild, but this is completely unrealistic because
the movie is unrealistic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
But it didn't. It didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
It kind of went they both in my opinion, which
is what kept it from becoming five.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Did you answer my question like would this have moved
up into your top five after a second watch? Or
we're talking about it now I have to go over
my whole list again.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
It's tough. It's all subjective. It's a very good movie.
The ending loses it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Do you do you track your list some letter box
or is that Matt? I have my I have my
I guess right now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
I have my letter box, but I don't have my
top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Let me see hold on.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
From last year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I have my Maybe it's Matt.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
I can see how that so I just have all
the movies I watched.

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
Andrew, I could see how that aspect of it can
really kind of turn you off from this movie, because
I feel like there were certain points where I was like, well,
I get it because movie, But like when she had
drained her for three months and she can still stands
here after like a couple of days, like one leg,
but all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Like she just straightens out her leg.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Oh that was a couple of time, and like, all.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
Of a sudden, after three months she's still even alive.

Speaker 7 (01:14:05):
I feel like that she would never be seen in
public at that point. You wouldn't go out if you
were that concerned about your physical appearance. You're gonna go
out looking like an absolute fucking troll.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
Mom. Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
If I care that much about parents, I would stop it.
After the finger, I mean after the one finger.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
That gross.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
That would be like I have to wear gloves for
the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
We good omen for the things to come. But yeah,
ultimately at the end, at the end of the day,
all of those things were her own sun and more
it was her own fault.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
Even so the flowers at the end too, that's like
a Requiem kind of thing because it's like, you like
that was one hundred percent when his mom wanted to
be on that show and being like.

Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
I'm gonna be a star, I'm going to be on TV.

Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
This crazy thing that was totally tied into that, which
was that's why I was like, oh, this is so
much like Requiem.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
It's we before the truck marks, beyond the parallels with drugs,
like the mom, how the mom perceived herself being like,
I got a call that's saying that they wanted me
on TV. They want me on TV. I'm gonna be
a star. What should I wear?

Speaker 6 (01:15:13):
What should I And she goes through that whole and
stuff like that was the whole thing of like she
wanted to be something that she wasn't and she's old.
She's like, I'm just sitting in there. All of a sudden,
I get this call saying that I'm on TV.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
Like blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Blah, Like how many exactly on the elderly women across
the States do you think are the exact.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
Same thing exactly all the time, all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
We talked about Dennis Quaid already quickly, but I think
he obviously didn't. But there were I think there was
one other time where it was very, very similar at
the end when Margaret pulled a couple of her teeth
out and she's all the way which the carpet's not
hallway by the way from the shining Well, yeah, they're
all walking up together at the exact same time and

(01:16:01):
she turns around. He's like, Hey, are you excited, then
why don't you smile? Pretty girls always smile, And the
way they're all just looking at her.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
That's a female director.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
So it's funny they say that, because I was going
to say, looking at a shot like that, I can
totally understand how would be incredibly fucking uncomfortable around the
majority of men a lot of the time. And he
wouldn't be fucking so weird.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
You wouldn't have that view unless you're a woman like you.
As a man, you would never see that kind of
point of view, and as a woman wouldn't see some
of the point of view. You just wouldn't like.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
No, no, no, no one's telling a man, why don't
you that's so weird? Smile so far by the way, right, Yeah,
no one.

Speaker 5 (01:16:53):
Says it can go back and forth to men. Obviously
hear things from that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
That is the main thing.

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
A lot is you're so much prettier when you smile. God,
tell someone to shut you so much pretty when you smile,
you're pretty when you're dead.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Well, it's a little.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
I think it's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Yeah, but no, I agree that clearly, and I did
read so when I was researching a little bit earlier
that a lot of the point of view shots were
a camera. It's like that shot sample where it's just
the camera looking at all these like the wide angle.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Far that herself because she said that she had experienced
similar things before and wanted to portray what she like, saying, Farja, where.

Speaker 5 (01:17:45):
Does she live? Can I like message her and girl,
that's yes, Oh my gosh, I've been there where.

Speaker 6 (01:17:52):
I'll find all right, well you don't have to find
it right now, but I'll find that out. I'm gonna
I'm gonna maybe read her letter and be like, hey, fangirl,
let's get drinks.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
No, that's all I want to say.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
America.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
Wow, well well yeah maybe Actually a lot of people
don't like Americans right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
A lot of French people also, true.

Speaker 5 (01:18:10):
Yeah, it's yeah, rough relationship.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
I don't like a lot of Canadians. So it's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
She's not Is she a Canadian?

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
No, she's fresh French.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
She's from French.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
K far Joe.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
I like her Paris, Paris. We'll figure it out anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
What else.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Gar Crochet to the Red Sox six years, one hundred
and seventy million.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
That's not that's fantastic. Sorry, that's less than thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
The only other thing that I had. So we were
talking about phone number five five five zero nine to
nine No Area. Coach shown a famous fictional phone number
that appears in many films like American Beauty, The Insider, YEP.
So it's just like Hollywood uses because if you think about,

(01:19:01):
especially in this day and age, right, if you're watching
something on like Netflix or whatever, or pause and a
phone number for a second, like right, Like, am I
the only one that does that?

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
I've never called a number?

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
You guys are crazy. A lot of you're trying to
call if the if they're if they're putting a phone
number within full view of stuff. Now they're totally expecting
you to call it market calling a number.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
I don't know, period.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
How do you think I got that that message at
the beginning? Well, yeah, no, I know that, but I'm
saying in a card, Okay, that's different. I'm telling you
it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
This is a marketing.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Is not that a show that you're watching to call
the number on?

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
It is psychotic If a if a show puts in
there a number with a clear view, that is clearly
a marketing. Yellow jackets to everybody, doesn't tell Jenny Jenny yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
I do you dreaming of a better self?

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
I'm not. No, I'm not number Mike substance.

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
Are you really Mike?

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
I am really Mike. Yeah, I'm my younger, hotder counterpart
Mo's Mike Mike far shah farja. Alright, why don't we
Hey leave us a message? Call the number that I
gave you at the end of the episode, which is
again five O weight nine two seven one two six seven.

(01:20:28):
That's five weight nine two seven one two six seven.
Call me tell me that I'm a psycho for calling
rate of numbers in the middle of a TV show movie.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Exact crank.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
I mean, I've made plenty of crank. Call in my
left us anything else on the substance before we decide
to h right off into the sunset here. This is
very good discussion. I think we did our due diligence tonight.
You have nothing less a contribute point to talk about it.
I'm glad you were. I'm very sub sub sub all right, folks,

(01:21:00):
it's been a fun another episode of America's Hometown Horror.
Thanks for checking back in with us. My name is Mike.
I've been joined by Andrew and Kat spoopound Dog Woopy upstairs,
probably sleeping, or just get the outside of the door
to come down whenever we open that. Either way, we
appreciate it and we'll be back sometimes soon. We'll talk
to you then, Bye bye, good evenings, smell YOUA Andrew

(01:21:23):
has nothing astay. Hey everyone, it's Mike from America's Hometown
Horror and I want to say thanks again for listening
to another episode of our show. If you're interested in
more local Plymouth podcasts, i'd highly recommend you check out
the show from our friends over on the Inebriart podcast network.

(01:21:46):
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