Episode 201 Kailah Guffey

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And for those that don't know,Kayla is the daughter of Jimmy Rave.
So not only does Kayla get tomake history as the first female guest with

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be worthy of an honorable mention.Well, let's dive into it. She
is professional wrestling Royal, the daughterof the Crown Jewel. Jimmy Rave.

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Kayla Guffey joins the show today.Thank you so much for sharing your time
with us today. Oh yeah,I'm excited to be here. Well,
this has been a while in themaking and I'm really glad that we could
do this. Last year, weon the tenth year anniversary of Larry Sweeney's
passing, got a bunch of peopleto contribute stories and memories and things,

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and I'd like to do that atsome point, but I felt it was
particularly important to have you on assoon as possible because you got to see
a different side of your dad thanmany wrestling fans did. And Jimmy Rave,
to me, was this larger thanlife star in two thousand and four

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when I was a senior in highschool and then just it's amazing because Bring
of Honor. In two thousand andfour, it was just a small time
indie head regular work. So Iguess, did you know that your dad

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was like a TV star to anextent? Yes, I remember growing up
like when him and my mom toldme, I was like whatever, Like
this is crazy. You know,we lived because at the time we lived
in a Dairsville and I was like, We're just in small town of Dairsville.
There's no way. And then Istarted going to some of the matches
and then he told me how hewould always wear a hat to you know,

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hide his identity, and you know, I think it was when you
started going to like Japan and Englandand things like that, I was like,
okay, he really is big.Like well. It was amazing too
because NWA Wildside, where he started, had a syndicated television show that was

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syndicated across the entire United States,and so the first time I saw your
dad I think was in like twothousand and two. And now the show
would come on at like, youknow, three o'clock in the morning on
a Saturday morning on a channel thatmay or may not have worked depending on

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the week in the weather, butnevertheless, like it was consistent. As
a tape trader myself and a hugefan of anything outside of w WE,
I was taping everything. So Ihad all these tapes and matches, and
I remember going to my first Ringof Honor show in March of four and

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seeing your dad and being whoa,he works here too. Again, that
show was in New Jersey, soI'm in my head geographically, I'm thinking,
well, he's from Georgia, he'son TV in Ohio and then wrestling
in New Jersey and all these otherRing of Honor locations. That's pretty cool.

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Yeah, you know, it's certainlycool. We're to say my dad's
a wrestler than my dad's a lawyer. My mom's right, you know,
Like it's just and he had thisinteresting ability and it kind of relates to
his real life personality outside of thering too. As a when he was

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a baby face, a good guy, he was well liked by a lot
of people, but there was somethingthat just wasn't whole. So when he
really found himself turning heel to becomethe crown Jewel for Prince Nanna, he
got to really play things out andhe had so much fun. And I

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know, as his daughter, youtold some stories at the memorial service about
how much fun your dad was.Yes, he was so much fun all
the time. We all have funum And I think you know, people
they're wrestling fans and Ring of Honorin particular, they know the villain,

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the bad guy, Jimmy Rave thateverybody throws the toilet paper at, but
they don't know, the soft sideof your dad, right, tell some
stories in particular, tell tell thestory of how he became your dad,
because I think that's pretty amazing.Yeah, when he so, him and
my mom started out as friends andso my mom would have people around,

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and I think my dad was seventeenwhen I first met him, and they
were just seeing out a big groupof people. And then shortly they started
dating I think when he was likenineteen and ever since, like he was
always like Jimmy to me at first, like we'd always played around. He
would, you know, show mehow a wrestle you'd do, like the

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clothesline and all the fun stuff.And then as I think I was like
six when they got married, andhe's always been that father figure. My
biological father was not in my lifegrowing up, and um he has came
back in my life here recently.But growing up, he was my dad,

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you know. Um, he wasalways there. He was always fun.
He you know, taught me howto catch a baseball, like you
know, a dad win. Sohe was always that father figure to me.
And so as time came on,I was thirteen, so ten years
ago actually, like last week waswhen I was officially Kayla Guffy and that's

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when he officially adopted me. AndI was so excited and he was too,
because he's always been like a fatherfigure to me, but then it
was like official. It's It's prettyamazing because you know your dad. He
didn't talk a lot about his personallife with me, but he definitely talked

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about like how much he couldn't waitto get home. And I never really
understood that until I would do someof these aw trips and I never really
had anything to go back home to. My parents don't live close. They
live in Florida. I live inOhio, but recently I've done a couple

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of shows and visited and I couldn'twait to get back home. So those
drives going back home that were threeand four hours felt like eight. And
I think that's how your dad alwaysviewed going home, was like he was.
He was always on the first flightin the morning after after weekends to

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go home. And I remember havinga conversation with him, this would have
been like early two thousand and five, and he was telling me. I
think we were talking about base ballinitially, and there was a Braves and
the Cleveland baseball team ninety five WorldSeries. I am a huge Cleveland baseball

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fan, and now the Guardians.They were the Indians, and I I
remember telling him when he was talkingabout being a Braves fan. I remember
saying, like it broke my heart. I'm still mad because they haven't won
anything since nineteen forty eight and Idon't see any chance that they were gonna
win anytime soon. And actually I'mwrong at the timeline wrong. It was

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October of oh five because it wasthe last weekend of the baseball season,
and he found out that the WhiteSox had beaten the Indians in a game,
and he gave me the business forlike an hour. You're never gonna
win anything. You don't know,you don't know what it's like to have
a World Series. He's never goingto see it. And then we just

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had a big laugh. And itwas one of the few times that he
would come around to the after partieswith us that would happen at shows.
And I think it was because itfelt like a bigger night than it was.
It was the night Samoa Joe andKenta Kobashi wrestled each other. For

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those that are trying to figure outa timeline on all this, but he
was such a true to his charactertype of person and looking at that character
compared to the side that you gotto see. Did you ever ask him
how he was able to flip thatswitch? He told me it was kind

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of just like acting. Like hesaid, he would get so much joy
and like it would just it wouldbe like, I guess, a joke,
like if he were to, youknow, joke around with me or
you know, it's kind of likeacting. I guess you would say,
did he ever sit down and actuallyexplain that he wasn't getting hurt? Or

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yeah he really was? Yeah,funny enough. I can't remember what um
because I was so young in thishabit. I want to say it was
a ring of honor match, andI was really upset that everyone was,
you know, doing my dad.I was like, what, my yead,
it's a good guy, Like whyis everybody booing him? He's so
awesome? And then he like gothurt or you know something, and then

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apparently I just like lost it inthe crowd. I was like, oh
my gosh, you know, cryingum. And then after that my dad
had to explain everything, and thenhe would even we'd even come up with
a thing where he would like,you know, look at us and like
do like a little wink or something, you know, just to you know,

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show that he's you know okay.Um. But I when I was
really young, I did not understand, and I thought I was like,
oh no, why aren't we savinghim? Like you didn't have to do
any run ins or anything like thatinto the ya know. Um. You

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know, obviously, the Ring ofHonor fan base was pretty passionate, and
I think that's something that I thinkis often forgotten, is that the Ring
of Honor fans, especially the onesthat traveled their passion for a Ring of
Honor, was not just specific toa wrestler. It was for the the
brand overall, and sometimes myself included. It got a little toxic and it

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crossed some lines. Um, maybenot so much for me as far as
like crossing the line, but youknow, you can get into arguments with
people on the internet about certain peopleor matches or whatever. Were when you
would go to shows, were thereany interactions that you remember that stood out
once they found out that you wereJimmy Raves daughter. No, I don't

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think we didn't really like go outour way to make that known. So
nothing really happened like that. Iremember we sat beside people who would be
doing my dad, but I meannone, nothing crazy. I think that's
always fun. I remember, inparticular, meeting Bj Whitmer's parents, like

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in two thousand and six, ormaybe it was late two thousand and five.
I don't know if all those yearstend to run together, but I
remember walking by and just being introduced, so, oh, this is BJ
Whittmer's mom and dad, And Iremember thinking, oh, wow, yeah,
that's right. These are just regularhuman beings, right, and children

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and families, and it really puta lot of things into perspective for me.
I was, you know, inmy early twenties at that point,
and my life revolved around college andwrestling. And it was more so,
how do I get to the wrestlingwhile working and going to college, as

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opposed to, well, let mefocus on my grades and my job so
that then I can go to thewrestling and reward myself my grades reflected that.
So as a teacher, please don'tjudge me. Now, I did
get my piece of paper. Idon't know where it is, but I
got it for sure, and thepointing hat and all that good stuff.

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But you know, when you're seeingyour dad's kind of star rise and Ring
of Honor and he really, likeI felt for sure he could have been
the center or the company, andI know he had a little bit of
frustration at times when he'd get passedover for someone else. Did that ever

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kind of dial back to the homefront, I don't. I didn't really
know too much about that until,you know, later in life, like
when I was like older. Butmy mom, on the other hand,
like she knew more about that stuff, but as a kid growing up,
I didn't know too much about thatstuff. Well, your dad was a

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really excellent guy to me, andhe was actually one of the first people
to take me behind the curtain atRing of Honor and show me how a
match was put together. And itreally changed my perspective on a lot of
things, especially the way it's talkedout and put together and without revealing too

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much of the magic. I imaginedthat like your dad, and you know,
I know because I saw it andI heard it. But he was
so respected by all of his peersas an inn ring performer, and that
dates back even prior to Ring ofHonor. Nwa Wildside to me was like

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the very first non WWE WCW TVthat I saw, so I always thought
of it as bigger than it was, and your dad was kind of the
centerpiece there of the junior heavyweight division, and I don't know, I always
got to kick out of like askinghim all these random questions about people that

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never made it out of wild Side, any particular people from NWA Wildside that
stand out as being, you know, important parts of your dad's life.
To be honest, aren't really knowwoos with what you know? There's so

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many I don't know who's worth what. Um, Well, it's definitely a
great way to transition into Salinaro becauseSal and your dad were thickest thieves in
a faction called the Three Guys WhoTotally Rule, even though there was way

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more than three guys in this group. Sal has kind of been like the
de facto mascot of our podcast.We did early on, I would say
maybe seven or eight shows where Salwas just in a match. So we've
named him the mayor of an honorablemention and it plays into the outro.

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But um talk about Sal and kindof he and your dad's relationship and how
he's impacted your whole family. Yeah, Sal is awesome. Him. My
dad, you know, our bestfriends, and they always have been.
He was in my dad's wedding.He's been there for our family for years

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and years and years. Even aftermy dad passed away. Sal has been
there for our family tremendously and hasshown so much support as well as you
know, Murder One, Todd Sextonand Jay Chung all of them have been
great and huge supporters of us andbeing there for us. But Sal,

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I'd known since I was little,like as far back as I can remember.
Sal has been there and he's youknow, goofy, just like my
dad. You know. We actuallyjust went to a Braves game with Sal
and we took my little brother.I think it was last week or the
week before. I think it's greatthat Sal has managed to stay involved too,

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because, you know, when wehad Sal on the the story goes
that it was the typical Salinaro interview. He's in his car, not moving,
the kids are outside playing like ina playground or field or something.
Was kind of hard to see.He's got his seatbelt on the entire time,

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because I think maybe he thought likethe siren or the bell thing would
go on, you know, whenyou don't put your seatbelt on, yea.
And it was one of the funniestinterviews because he told so many stories
and he has. He remarked tous something that stood out when we had

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your dad on for a couple ofepisodes was that your dad was a great
impersonator of voices. He could doSal's voice, he could do aj styles
voice. And I think the thoroughline between Sal and your dad is that
they both had the incredible sense ofhumor. Yes, any any stories you

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could share that that would tell kindof an example of their sense of humor,
of them together or just against eachother, because they know they had
some pretty legendary prank wars back infront of me. The one thing that
really sticks out to me is justmagic tricks. Like they were always doing
magic tricks and you know, showingmagic tricks and me being so gullible,

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I was so easy to convince andto amaze. I remember the whole magic
trick um with both of them.They would, you know, show me
tons of magic tricks and jokes,tons of jokes, not not jokes now,
things like that. There there's onestory, and I don't know if
you've heard this from Sal but yourdad actually told this to me, and

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I may have been in the vicinityfor it, I just never noticed it.
Your dad and Davy Richards had apretty legendary feud when Davey started Entering
of Honor, and it was yourdad's job to get him established, and
he did a tremendous job. Sowhen Davey started, he was wearing these

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gym shorts that had pockets. Sohe and Sal decided that they were going
to have a little fun during thepre show meeting with Gabe doing the big
speech. So they got on eachside of him, and first your dad
put his hand in the shorts pocketof Davy Richards, and Davy's kind of

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fighting him off, trying to bequiet, he's the new guy. And
then Sal, you know, quietlymoved up and put his hand in Davy's
shorts pocket and they managed to havea little fun with poor Davy Richards on
that day. But that's that's thetypical little sense of humor that those two.
Yeah, especially pranks, and Ithink it's great, you know those

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pranks stories. I don't know howmany that you have to share, but
the more the merrier. Yeah,as far as them together, I can't
think of women at the top ofmy head. But as far as my
dad and pranks, oh my gosh, there's so many. Well let's hear

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some good ones. I remember growingup. I always wanted and I think
I might have set this at thememorial, but I've always wanted like a
doorbeth. I was so cute andI just had to have it. And
so my dad, you know,he's like, oh, I'll set this
up for you. I was like, oh, that's so nice. You
know. The next morning, atlike seven am or six am, my

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dad was going to work out andthe first thing I heard was on my
little doorbells like an aaron plam.It was like hey, well wake up,
hey Kayla or ding dong or itwas just something, and I was
like, oh my gosh, whydid I ask for this? Like or
we would always do the thing wherehe would like hide in the house just
to like scare me, like popout and be like, oh you know,

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I gotcham just times of little thingslike that. I mean, he
would all especially the intercom doorbell.Oh my gosh. I enslave regretted that
and I always think like if Alexawas around at that point, Oh my
gosh it like randomly. Um.He he just had this amazing contrast.

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And that's always amazed me about prowrestling from a psychological standpoint, was you
have these people that are putting ona show, a very physical and athletic
show, in front of an audience, and then they have to come down
from that to go back to normalcy. And your dad had this energy to

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him where he just stayed level anytimeI was around him. He never never
was like upset or like super excited. He was just like, yeah,
this is this is gonna be good. It'll be all right, we'll see
how it works. Um. There'sone particular story, and I think it's

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the only time I ever got himto or got to see him smile as
his villain character, when he hadgone out a Ring of Honor and headed
off to TNA to team with LanceHoyt as part of the Rock and Rave
infection. He came back to Ringof Honor eventually, and I had found

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out at like three o'clock that daythat the two partners in the Mystery Tag
were going to be your Dad anda return in Cold Cabama. Now for
me, they happened to be twoof my favorites. So I was very
happy to have this surprise ruined.And I saw your dad and he goes,

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oops, sorry, And so whenhe came through the curtain, Nana
introduced him that the intro that Nanagave is one of the most ridiculous,
absurd, preposterous Prince Nana esque introductionsthat he possibly could have. And your

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dad came through the curtain, andI think a lot of people knew it
was possible because the TNA exit waspretty public. But he came through the
curtain and the crowd immediately chanted fuckTNA. And it was loud, and
it was in New York and yourdad somebody threw a roll of toilet paper

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Adam. He caught it with hismouth and ripped it and he had to
fight. You could see his jawstightening to not smile, and he finally
just gave up and just had thetypical Jimmy smirk. I'm like, uh,
I'm caught. I might as wellembrace it, right, And it's

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that that face is what I rememberthe most about your dad. It's just
him casually breaking character, smiling andgetting into the rain to have a great
match. I remember he would tellme whenever people would throw toilet paper at
him and he would throw it back. It was kind of like him playing

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baseball, because he played baseball andit was really good when he was younger,
and so for him, he waslike, yeah, I was just
throwing back like it's you know,baseball's Yeah. He started catching the toilet
paper, I remember, and likehim and Alex Shelley, it became almost
this part of their their act wasthey would catch the toilet paper, do

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something disgusting with it, and thenthrow it back the fans, and it
added something. It was something solittle, but your dad was so creative
in terms of the wrestling landscape thatit it added even more animosity for them
to get and it was just sowonderful to see. I know myself,

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I would ring at the time.I was helping take care of my grandparents
and they were frequent Sam's Club shoppers, so we would always buy the big
giant, you know, twenty fiverolls of toilet paper packages, and they'd
always buy me an extra one forwhen I went to wrestling to take in

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hand out, so that there wasa good amount. And it just that
act and your dad's ability to hitpeople dead on with the toilet paper was
hilarious. Sometimes he would deliberately throwit at me if he saw where I
was. Obviously it looks like ablur from being in the ring, but

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he always, you know, somehowmanaged to find me and help me with
the toilet paper, and then Iwould throw it back, and then he
would throw it back. And itwas just a nice bond that we had
developed, and getting to know yourdad outside of the ring, knowing some
of the things he was frustrated withand wrestling, and it was interesting to

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hear him talk about, you know, family in baseball and music. And
I tried not to talk wrestling withhim as much as I could, just
because it's like nobody wants to talkabout work outside of work, right,

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And it just got to the pointwhere, you know, wrestling ended up
becoming the main topic because we werejust wrestling fans, like we realized that
one day, like we love this, you do it for a living.
I have no interest in doing itfor a living. I would rather set
up the ring or stand behind amerchandise table and do that than follow on

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my back and get dropped on myhead. But your dad was one of
the central pieces that is responsible forwhy Ring of Honor twenty years later means
what it does right, and that'sa pretty big accomplishment. You know,

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we elected him to the podcast Hallof Fame. Ring of Honor didn't have
a Hall of Fame, so Shaneand I decided one day we're gonna have
an honorable mention Hall of Fame ofhonor because everything they did had of honor
at the end of it. Soyour dad was a part of our second
class of inductions. People voted.I believe we send out fifty ballots every

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year, and your dad was apart of the second class. Obviously,
it's a podcast, it's not theyou know, it's not going into Pro
Football Hall of Fame or you know, but to know that all these years
later fans remember how important he wasand how much fun the character was,

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it was important that we honored himright with regards to his time and Ring
of Honor. Was there anything thatyou remember him doing that you found enjoyable
or that you were just like,well, that's just what my dad does.

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I'm gonna just do my own thing. Um. I mean, while
like while he was in the ring, you mean, like when we go
watch him, Yeah, I mean, I just just his attitude and just
demeanor. It was just so funand funny to me because it was just
like this is Jimmy Rave and youknow there's also my dad, and so

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like he would always do like alittle you know laugh or you know,
he seemed like a huge like extrovertin the ring and you know, would
you know, yell at people andstuff and like at home, like I
would never really hear him yell,you know. So it's just just seeing
that all is just crazy. AndI remember thinking like, well, this

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is awesome. I'm like he hewas kind of like the fun dad then,
right, Oh, yes, hewas the fun dad. I mean
we would go play, um,you know, baseball outside, you know,
and he would make me Hawk Roadfootball. But like we would go
to CC's Pizza Dave and Buster's arcades. I mean, we always had so

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much fun. Well, I rememberin the memorial video and this is actually
something that I had a conversation aboutthe other day with a friend of mine.
I was always jealous growing up ofpeople with trampolines. Oh yeah,
and because my parents would never allowus to have a trampoline, no matter
how much we begged. My youngerbrother and I. They were like,

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of an honorable mention in the memorialvideo that you guys showed. I think
there was two different videos, butI remember a video with a trampoline.
Oh. Yes, we had atrampoline, and you know, me and

(37:01):
my dad would go outside all thetime and play on it, and he
would show me like where he wouldlike go on his back and then he
would flip back up and I'd belike, how do you do that?
Or you know, just play littlegames on it, but we would really
play like or play wrestling, youknow, Like he would show me some
moves and he'd be like, youknow, if the guy messages with you
when you get older, you coulduse this like you know, or you

(37:23):
know. He would just do allkinds of fun stuff and I would me,
being like seven, I would thinkI'd actually be able to take him,
and obviously I couldn't, but itwas so fun to play around.
Did you ever consider following in hisfootsteps into wrestling? No, It's so

(37:44):
funny because I have gotten to knownow that I've gotten a little older some
of the kids from people that wereon the Ring of Honor roster back then,
And that's pretty much the answer fromeverybody is, no, we're good,
We're gonna cover back with I feellike with mine because I was a

(38:05):
cheerleader and stuff. I feel likewith my background in that, and I
used to want to act when Iwas younger two. I feel like I
could have done decent, but Ijust every time I would like get hurt
and cheerleading and something, I wouldalways be like a baby about it.
And that right there was like,Nope, I'm not gonna make him wrestling.
Well, it's amazing because I sawyour dad like just roll through injury

(38:29):
after injury after injury. I rememberwhen he broke his jaw, just how
awful that was. And I trulythink, and maybe you can correct me,
but I think that the jaw injurymay have been kind of the beginning
of some of his troubles outside ofthe rain. Yes, and I remember

(38:52):
talking to him. So the jawinjury was in like two thousand even,
does that sound right? I thinkso two thousand and seven, with two
thousand and eight, Wait, no, two thousand and seven or two thousand
and six, Okay, I meanit regardless of the year. I remember

(39:15):
talking to him about it and justonce it healed up and he was able
to start talking again and we talkedabout it, He's like, they don't
respect me here, Like the Bringof Honor had been offering health insurance of
some sort to the talent once theygot their pay per view deal and contracts,

(39:38):
and he just was not happy.And that was what led to him
leaving and going to TNA and theneventually coming back and then leaving again.
And I really think that was likethe major major injury that started the kind
of just frustration. Um, wereyou seeing a lot of that at home

(40:01):
or it would have hide it prettywell. I feel like me personally,
I didn't see much of his frustrationwith wrestling at home. Um. I
would hear stuff here and there,but um, I didn't hear too much
about it. He mainly would talkto like my mom about that kind of

(40:21):
stuff. Well, you know,when you think about that injury, the
return to Ring of Honor and thenthe subsequent exit, eventually he and your
mom split, and I know thatthat had to have been very hard on
you. Yeah, and your brotheras well. I mean he's pretty young.

(40:45):
But around that time, um,he moves up to Philadelphia, which
you know, that was something heand Sal always talked about because Philly was
the center of the wrestling universe,right, And he starts, you know,
coaching and teaching, and I thinkif there's any job in wrestling that

(41:08):
your dad fit perfectly, and itwas teaching, right, which is ironic
because you're a teacher, right.He had this ability to and it's something
I think a lot of great wrestlersdon't have. They can do the good

(41:28):
wrestling and just know the psychology andunderstand everything, but they can't pass it
on, right, And a lotof my conversations with your dad from probably
twenty twelve onward, we're about passinghis knowledge on and hey, could you
get me a copy of this matchso that I could show my student this?

(41:52):
You know. Unfortunately, where you'rewhere my laptop is positioned, you
can't see the tape library that isbehind you. But it's massive and it
occupies probably half of a you know, large office room here in my house.

(42:14):
And your dad took full advantage ofasking for matches, and I would
pull stuff for him when he wouldsell DVDs of his matches at tables.
I made them for him, andit was something I never I never charged
him, I never asked for money. I never wanted to. I feel
like I owed it to him.And he had this ability to teach things.

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So was there anything that, youknow, outside of the wrestling bubble
obviously that he was good at teachingyou? I mean, you know,
I said before, like he wantedme to be well rounded, and so
he wanted me to learn, youknow, how to catch a baseball.
So he, you know, taughthow to do that and as well as

(43:01):
catch a football and even throw thespiral. Um he like that cast stuff
outside of like outside. Um,he taught me and was really good about
breaking it down, and it waslike, we're going to learn this and
then we'll go inside. And soit took a little while, but we
learned it and then we went inside. And now I still know how I'll

(43:21):
do it today. And that's that'sa really cool thing to like be able
to pass that story onto future generations. Yeah, obviously, your brother's younger,
so you know, he's not goingto have all those memories, right,
but it'll be something to pass alongto him as well, so I
guess I guess we have to talkabout kind of the elephant in the corner

(43:45):
of the room, which is themove to Philly. Yeah, and um,
kind of from your perspective, sharewhat that was like. Well,
so I think it wasn't. Twentyseventeen is when he moved. Moved and
you know, as we all know, my dad had issues with substance abuse,

(44:06):
and so the plan was to moveup there for him to get clean.
And as you know, my dadworked with Georgia Mental Health Consumer Networks
and so he dealt with tons ofrecovery and helping people. You know,
he loved to help people, andso he always told us that in order

(44:27):
for someone to get better, includinghimself, they have to hit rock bottom.
If we continue to help him oryou know, be there for him
at any little inconvenience, then hewould never truly get better and the cycle
would continue. So when he saidhe was moving to Philadelphia to get clean,

(44:51):
that's what we did. The planwas for him to get clean and
then moved back. But obviously,you know, god did not happen.
So moving him moving to Philadelphia,it was very difficult, especially from our
little brother, because he was Ithink seven at the time, and you
know, he always was loved mydad, same thing with me, like

(45:13):
he was a fun dad everything,And so to see him move was hard.
That was really hard. And thenyou know, communication everything started to
lack there. It's it's interesting tome too, because I've talked to so
many people whose parents moved at differentages, like mine moved when I was

(45:37):
a junior in college. My brotherwould have been a freshman. I have
a couple other friends whose parents movedall the way to California when they were
in middle school. I say,I want to say, uh, and
left them with their grandparents. It'sit's interesting how everybody reacts differently to the

(46:02):
idea of their parents moving away,right. You know, it's never easy,
no matter what the circumstances are.And obviously your mom is still,
you know, in Georgia with youguys, and but you know, it's
that family unit not being whole thatreally has a major impact. And I've

(46:30):
seen it, you know, alot, over the years. And when
he moved to Philly a couple ofyears prior to that, so he still
would have been in Georgia, andit was when he was working with the
Substance Abuse Georgia Mental Health Group.I called him one day because a very

(46:52):
close friend of mine, her fatherwas undergoing a trial for his nine driving
under intoxication, and he gave mea great piece of advice that to this
day, this family, this friendhas, her father has not had one

(47:15):
other sip of alcohol. He toldme that if you address it with them
directly and say this is why youare hurting me, it will not only
show the individual that is doing thedamage that they are causing legitimate hurt,

(47:38):
but it's being done unto a specificperson. And I passed that advice along
to my friend. She and hermom sat down with their dad and he
went to his trial. He hadto go to a rehab for I think

(48:00):
or months was the sentence. Andwe don't enforce any sort of laws here
in the state of Ohio, butno matter how many DUIs you get.
But that advice worked, and I'vebeen so grateful for that. Around that
time as well, was the lasttime I saw your dad in person,

(48:23):
and I had lost by that point, probably one hundred pounds, And I
walked up to your dad and he'skind of tilting his head looking at me,
and he goes, are you areyou so you okay? Are you
sick? He was like the fourthor fifth person from Ring of Honor to

(48:47):
ask if I was sick, becausethey were so used to the bigger version
of me. And I was like, no, man, I just I
found the gym and I'm really enjoyingit. And I needed to because I
dealt with some anxiety attacks and thingsof that nature, and I needed to

(49:08):
get healthy for my own sake.And he he just was so happy,
Like he's sitting behind this merchandise tableand there's nobody in his line and we're
just talking and he just seems sohappy to hear that I was doing well.
And I thought that was such anice thing for this this wrestler who

(49:31):
you know, I'm just another person. I'm nobody special, and he's like
taking pride in my successes with theway he's talking and telling people. Man,
he was, you know, twohundred and fifty pounds at one point,
he's you know, down one hundredand fifty something, and he's so

(49:52):
excited, and it was just sucha nice gesture on his part right to
tell how proud he was. Hedidn't have to, even if he didn't
mean it, I felt like hedid, but he didn't have to.
So, you know, your dad, he was just such a good person.

(50:14):
And when I heard about some ofthe substance abuse issues, and man,
it was such a bummer to me. I can't even imagine what it's
like as as the daughter in theequation from a distance nonetheless as well,
I guess kind of explained how youguys as a family addressed things from a

(50:39):
distance with him, like while hewas in like Philadelphia. Well, so
when my father is using, hedoesn't really have understanding of time, I
guess you would say. So therewould be times where it would be one

(51:00):
or two before we would hear fromhim, and every single time, you
know, he would call or text, all of us would respond, but
you know, we were still doingwhat he said of you know, make
sure that he is doing it onhis own terms and that we're not catering
to him, you know, becausethey have to hit rock bottom before they

(51:22):
can get better. So as time, you know, would go on,
it would be hard, you know, especially for you know, I understood
what was going on, but eventhough I understood, it was still hard.
And you know, I think thelast time I saw my father in
person was twenty seventeen when he movedto Philadelphia. He never wanted me or

(51:45):
my brother or my mom to seehim in that state. He wanted himself
to be better before we saw himin person. So that was super hard,
you know, especially because I waslike last time I saw him.
But um, as far as likecommunication goes, it would it would be

(52:06):
hard to hear from him and forit to be that far, you know,
in that long time, and youknow, I would be on Twitter
and social media, and of courseI would still, you know, see
what he was doing or if hewasn't posting at all, you know,
then I would become concerned. Andthen like when he whenever, whenever he

(52:27):
was clean, he would always call. That's how we knew he was clean,
because he would understand what time itlike when it is um and then
he would always call him specifically whenhe like the last few months before he
passed away. He actually called mymom quite often because even though you know
they were divorced, they were friendsin the beginning, and you know,

(52:49):
they were always good friends. Sohe would call and you know, talk
to her sometimes as well. Butyeah, it was hard going a while
without hearing or talking to him.It I can't even imagine. I just
I can't wrap my head around that. You know, my my folks are

(53:10):
in there, well, my dadis in his late sixties and my mom
is in her early sixties. ButI can't imagine going that long without talking
to one of them, even mygrandparents. You know, I've got two
left, fortunately for me, andthey're not doing well health wise, and

(53:36):
getting in touch with them, beingable to get them to pick up the
phone isn't the easiest of things,especially from a distance. So I especially
when it's a parent, I can'teven imagine that kind of hell and not
knowing what's going on. So whenhe's in Philly, he's working for CZW,

(54:01):
he's doing some training, producing somesome of the future stars of wrestling
that I know he was super proudof because I got to hear all about
them, all of them, everysingle solitary one named by name, right,
and I think he really found hisgroove as a coach. And as

(54:28):
time is going on and he's there, he meets Gabby. So I'll just
kind of shut my mouth and I'lllet you go from here. He actually
Gabby was a super fan of mydad. They actually met in twenty eleven

(54:52):
when my parents were still together,and she was a huge fan of my
dad. So he didn't meet herlike I'm not sure what I want to
say. It was in Georgia,but I don't think he met her.
I've been in Pennsylvania. He mether in Georgia in two thousand and eleven.
But she was a major Fanum,she knew everything and anything about my

(55:16):
dad, and you know, itwas like, you know, an obsessive.
You know, it's kind of like, you know, I love Taylor
Swift, you know, I loveyou know, I'd be like, oh
my gosh, you know. Butshe was a huge fan of my dad,
and so I think when they starteddating, it, you know,
it just grew. But as faras Gabby, I met her because they

(55:40):
started dating after my parents guy divorced. I met her in two thousand and
sixteen, I believe. And I'veonly met her a handful of times.
But my main communication that I didhave of her was you know, like
on the phone, because I didn'tyou know, I didn't live in Pennsylvania.

(56:00):
So yeah, that's with her.She would come down to visit my
dad, you know, every nowand then in Georgia. But you know,
the goal again when he moved toPhiladelphia was for him to get clean.
I think a lot of people thinkit was, you know, for
wrestling, which you know he diddo wrestling up there, but the main
purpose of him moving to Pennsylvania wasfor him to get clean. He was

(56:24):
supposed to go to a rehab thereand get clean and then come back to
Georgia. So he and Gabby endup together in Philly, and I know
she was always on shows that hewas on. You know, wasn't wasn't
hard to figure out what the connectionwas there, right, And you know

(56:51):
your dad we had months to macon very early on in the podcast,
and he talked about how your dadwas very hands on in training people and
teaching people and telling stories of hismistakes so that others in the future.
He was so humble in the wayhe shared his story that to me,

(57:16):
I mean, it was the ideathat he recognized that there was an issue.
And obviously, you know, asyour dad got sick at the end,
he'd never like I was in prettyregular communication with him, dming on

(57:38):
Twitter or you know, discussing onTwitter or whatever, and he had changed
his phone number, so I neverhad the most recent number. I know
a few of us have tried tofind a recent phone number around that time
and just nobody had it. Buthe still had that that positive attitude,

(58:01):
and I remember the last time Italked to him on the phone, he
was I had just been at awfor something, and he said, you
know, obviously with you know,I don't have my legs now and I'm
missing an arm, but I stillwant to like, there's gotta be a
way I could be like a digitalcoach or something, right, And I

(58:23):
was like, well, next timei'm there, like, I'll definitely bring
it up, because there's a wholelocker room now of your former cohorts that
would be like. Yeah. Itwas the most positive conversation I had with
him because he was clear headed.I think yeah for probably two years,

(58:47):
even when we had him on thepodcast, his voice sounded better, his
breathing sounded better, and I justthought to myself, like, oh my
god, we can just get throughthis, right, Like, there's gonna
be some amazing things that he cando. Right. He still had that
ability to rattle off dates and matchesand you know, sequences of moves and

(59:14):
hey, I really want to watchthis match. Do you have a link
for it? And I don't knowwho was pulling up the stuff while he
was in the hospital for him towatch, but you know, i'd send
him these links and upload these matchesand he would watch them and then we
would talk about it. And thatlast conversation we had it meant so much

(59:36):
to me because it was like,sadly it was the last one, but
it was him going out on top. You know, the old Seinfeld George
costands a bit where he says ajoke and then leaves, no matter what
else has to be done, hejust leaves with a great joke. And
that was your dad. That wasThat was My conversation with him, was

(59:59):
the last one, was like thebest one. So I hold that close
to my heart, Um, becauseof what he means to me. Um,
for you and your family the lastcouple of months, I guess kind
of share your perspective on the wholething and how you guys were dealing with

(01:00:22):
everything. Well, obviously this isthe middle of COVID as well, right,
Yeah, like the last few monthsleading up to his death, m
Um, Well, I talked tohim a few times. Um. He
would call my mom pretty regularly,um and talk to her. But when

(01:00:42):
I talked to him, and thankgoodness, it was my last um conversation,
it was a good positive note.He just he told me how proud
he was and you know, sorry, right, take your time, and
he was he loved me so much. And my dad always told me,
like, you know, you alwaysneed to make sure that you have a

(01:01:06):
well conversation with someone that you careabout and make sure that they know you
love that you love them, becauseyou don't know what it's gonna beat their
last. So I'm for every thankfulI had that last conversation with him and
it went, you know well,but you know, he did talk to
my He talked to my mom prettyregularly, you know, like he called
her often and they would just youknow, talk about how his life was

(01:01:30):
going and you know what he wasdoing. Um. So yeah, I
UM, I do want to pointsomething out that our listeners may not know.
They'll they'll see it in the episodetitle, but your spelling of your
first name is a little different thanthe typical kleb. Yes. Yes,

(01:01:55):
And I learned how to pronounce yourfirst name in probably two thousand and seven
because he kept talking about my daughterKayla, and I thought so. Then
when I connected on Twitter with you, I was like, well, it's

(01:02:19):
Kayla, but it's spelled a littledifferently. Yeah. I thought that was
really like his true character, theJames Guffey behind the Jimmy Rave was my
daughter Kayla. He's talking about thatopenly with some of the other guys in
the locker room. And you know, I just happened to remember that,

(01:02:44):
of all things, which I meanmy memory for if anybody that's listening to
this podcast knows, my brain ismade of like chewed bubblegum. As the
running joke goes as far as likedates and times and matches and shows we've
done. This is episode two hundredand one. Oh wow for us.

(01:03:07):
So the idea that I can rememberhow to pronounce your name, it's just
it's a little thing, but Ithink it means a lot in the scope
of your dad. Yeah. Andanother thing, to a lesser extent that
means a lot to your dad andto you and your brother and your mom

(01:03:29):
and the rest of your family isgetting his gear back that's out there that's
missing. Talk about what's missing andwhat incentives are out there for fans that
may know how to get a holdof this gear. So there is the
Ribeiro jacket, the blue one.It's kind of actually like this blue.

(01:03:53):
And then there is his embassy whyin black rope and um, those are
the main things, but there's alsoa bunch of other stuff like his um
super it's like a super tease thathe got when he was in Japan and

(01:04:15):
it's a thousand dollars plus. Um. There are some other companies that are
donating candles, and some other wrestlerswho are donating ring year and Jay Chung
was awesome and helping gather all thatfor us to be able to promote.
And you know, I think somepeople are thinking, well, I don't

(01:04:38):
know where they're at, but anylittle thing can lead to a bigger thing.
Like I've had some people tell mesomething so tiny, and you know,
it's opened so many other doors.Because I have spent hours and hours
and hours looking at you know,all kinds of stuff, messaging in group

(01:05:00):
messages, facebook pages. I haveDM every single person that my father follows
on Twitter that has open dms.You know, I've spent so much time,
and you know, some things haveled to other big things in trying
to find them or just information,you know, you know that kind of

(01:05:20):
stuff is really helpful, but itdoesn't have to a lot of people think
that they have to know where itis. That would be awesome, but
just like any little information, likeif you saw someone with it, because
you know, there's not many peoplewho have you know, the Rabia jacket
and definitely not anyone who has abox same rope. So yeah, it's

(01:05:44):
uh, and all the pertinent informationwill be in the podcast story notes and
how to get a hold of you. But I know Jade and sal Shane
and myself have offered up some moneyas part of the reward, and uh,
you know you obviously mentioned the candles. There's so much I know personally,

(01:06:10):
you know, gear was never reallymy thing that I was interested in
collecting, but I think it's It'sdefinitely got a very big market for it,
and hopefully some of the gear collectorsout there will be able to find
it and get it back to youguys, right, because this is it's
your stuff, right, And that'sthe hard thing about it is that you

(01:06:32):
know, I have posted so muchon Twitter, but like I know that
I know someone knows something and it'shard for me because you know, there's
so many people that you know,I've heard stories about for my dad,
or that I know my dad wasclose with that I feel like are hiding

(01:06:54):
information from me or not being honestor not messaging back. And it's upstaying
to me because I know, likeif my dad was here right now,
that some people wouldn't be acting likethis, you know, And so it's
very disheartening for me. And thenthere's some people who have been amazing and

(01:07:16):
who have been going out of theirway to help or doing whatever they can.
And I'm so thankful for those peoplewho have, you know, just
been supportive and you know, reachedout and you know, just being overall
helpful. It's amazing what the wrestlingcommunity can do when it comes together and

(01:07:40):
unites. We've seen it many timesover the years, and now seems like
a really good time here as wetape this on June sixth, for everybody
to unite, throw the embassy symbolin the air and find that gear and

(01:08:00):
get it back to where it belongs. Um, you don't have to name
names, you don't have to todo any quote unquote snitching. Um,
just just get the stuff back.It's it's important, and UM, I'll
tell you, I'll I'll offer upnot only the honorable mention direct message,

(01:08:23):
but my own personal direct message.If anybody knows something, feel free to
slide in there and I'll pass iton myself to Kayla. And I think,
UM, some people, I've hadsome people who have tried to say,
you know, um, my dadsold it or you know that kind

(01:08:44):
of stuff. And even though mydad was you know, selling things.
Um, even though you know hewas using, he had a few things
that he would never sell. Andit was that jacket, the robe,
his t shirt and his necklace.I don't know if some people have seen,
um, he would wear a chainsilver chain necklace while his mom gave

(01:09:06):
that to him before she passed awaywhen he was like sixteen, heavily and
um, it's real silver. Soyou know, he could have sold that
and gotten tons of money, andhe never did because those were his priorities.
Things he would not give up.And you know, as well as

(01:09:30):
you know, the last few monthsthey passed away, my brother had a
project over Japan and he talked about, you know, the jacket and how
he loved the jacket. You know, he would always wear that jacket around.
It's very important to him. SoI am very confident that you know,
he didn't sell it. And youknow on Twitter he would post some

(01:09:51):
stuff that he would sell, selland you know he wouldn't just give that
away, you know, like that'snot Those are items that are super important.
And you know we had the silvernecklace. Now, we were able
to get that. But you knowsome people are saying it's in a storage

(01:10:12):
unit in Georgia. Well, wewere able to recover it and it was
not there. And you know,we know that we knew it wasn't going
to be in there because we've seen, you know, him wear it up
in Philadelphia, so you know thatblue jacket was his jacket. Um,
you know I remember being there whenhe came home with it. Yeah,

(01:10:34):
I've seen a minute plethora of times, and I do remember see him punk
making fun of him for wearing whathe called a mark jacket, because everybody
that wrestles in Japan and goes tothe rivera steakhouse gets one of those jackets.
And I think it's meant to belike a keepsake and not something where

(01:11:00):
but your dad wore it and wereit with pride and I would wear it
with pride if I got one ofthose. I don't know if I'm going
on a plane that far ever inmy life, I barely can get to
Florida on a plane happily. Butnevertheless, you know, we've got to

(01:11:20):
get this stuff back. And thishas gone on now since your dad's passing
in December, trying to chase downall this stuff. We're six months in.
Yeah, I don't know what elsethere is to offer up that we
can to incentivize people, but hey, we'll throw in that. You know,

(01:11:45):
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honorable mention. As far as yourdad goes outside of the ring, what
other stories would you like fans toknow about him? Um? Just that,

(01:13:15):
you know, especially when he wasin TNA, he with his rock
and Rave infection. Guitar Hero wasour thing at home, that and rock
Band. I mean it was afamily event. We would stay up so
late, way past my bedtime playingthose games. And you know I could

(01:13:40):
only do like the first few levels. But my dad, you know,
he was good. He was ableto make it farm. It was so
much fun and so, you know, just I don't want some people think,
oh yeah, he just used thatas a probl Yeah, I was
a problem. But it was alsoa thing in our household as well,
you know, like it was somethingthat was used often and we all had

(01:14:00):
so much fun. You know,video games was big for my dad as
well, and you know, heshowed me tons of video games like Civilization.
I don't know if you've ever heardthat game before, but it's like
a history type game or an Xboxwhich he loved history, and you got
to pick the country and battle umwith other countries to you know, build

(01:14:24):
a civilization and started from like theeighteen hundreds all the way until present day,
and like just that kind of stuff. Like he was just so much
fun like with we and your dadwas oh well, oh well he was
a well rounded person. Oh yeah, it wasn't just the wrestling, Like
he was an educated guy, right, yeah, except cooking he was not.

(01:14:46):
It was not a good cook.That That actually brings up a funny
story that I told him one timewhen I moved out my very first time
I decided that the first thing Iwanted to try and cook in my apartment
was mozzarella sticks. And lo andbehold, one of the mozzarella sticks rolled

(01:15:13):
off the pan and it landed onthe burner below, and flames were coming
out of my oven. So thisbecame kind of a running joke. Oh,
let's have Jeff cook us dinner.He knows how to cook food,
because apparently a lot of the Ringof Honor locker room around that time couldn't

(01:15:35):
cook. So I now that youmentioned that, I did know that your
dad was not a good cook,because he and I both had horror stories
that we would share with each otherabout attempting to and all these years later,
I still am not a good cook. So I'd like to think that

(01:15:57):
your dad probably would have improved overtime. But judging by the look on
your face, he's like, yeah, it was. It was not his
thing. I remember, like hewould stand so much money at like quick
trip and stuff, you know,just snacks and you know, the little

(01:16:20):
stuff. He would have one ofthose little like real things and he would
make you know, some burghers there, but you know, it wasn't anything
special. I remember growing up therewas this like, you know, pamphlet
thing that I just wanted for somereason. It was like three dollars and
he told me I could have itif I ate sardines. And I was

(01:16:43):
like, well, what are sardinetastes like? And he was like,
oh, that tastes like tuna.And at that point he showed me.
He called it the Jimmy Raves Specialand it was like tuna, I mayonnaise
and some crackers. And I waslike, oh, if I could make
it, you know, the JimmyRave Special, I'll take it. And
it was the nastiest thing ever.And I remember like a borderline throwing up
because it was so gross, Like, oh my gosh, your dad probably

(01:17:08):
thought it was the funniest thing.He was dying laughing. That's a that's
a like I'm gonna go call saland tell him what I just did,
right right. Yeah. And that'sthe thing, like I think people don't
understand that when I talk about onthe show, I'll talk about the legacy

(01:17:29):
of Jimmy Rave, I'm not justreferring to the in ring legacy of Jimmy
Rave. There is so much moreto him, right, And I guess
the whole point of doing this podcastwas to expound upon some of the things
he talked about in the two episodesthat we've done available in the archives that

(01:17:55):
he was more than just a badguy wrestler the people through toilet paper.
He was a dad, He wasa counselor. He did so much for
so many people, and he waskind of like the nucleus to an extent
of the Ring of Honor locker roomduring that time frame. You know,

(01:18:19):
there's a famous picture after the cagematch in Chicago that he had will See
Him Punk where they have their armsaround each other and they both have these
ear to ear grins. You know, they're just so happy because what they
did worked perfectly. And I thinkthat kind of is the lead into the

(01:18:43):
legacy, but it's not the legacy. Right when you hear the name Jimmy
Rave, what comes to mind asfar as his legacy, because I know
that's a big word. I thinkjust how he always wanted the best for
people, and you know, healways wanted people to do well. It

(01:19:08):
didn't matter who you were, ifyou barely need you repeating you really well.
He always wanted people to do welland succeed. And he would go
out of his way to help peopleand to share his knowledge. But you
know that's also like from you know, my dad, you know, growing
up and stuff. And you know, when I last was around him,

(01:19:33):
you know, I just remember himalways wanting, you know, me to
follow my dreams and become a teacher. I was always in between of being
a doctor and a teacher, andhe was always like, you need to
do what you love and what you'repassionate about. And I am a teacher

(01:19:54):
now, and so you know,it's something I was passionate about and I
loved and he always, you know, I would push that do something that
you are passionate about and that youwould wake up every day and enjoy.
I think that's such great advice foranybody across platforms of business or jobs or

(01:20:17):
just life in general. Wake upevery day and find something that you enjoy.
And you know, I wasn't alwaysthe most positive of people, especially
in my early twenties. I wasdealing with some issues of my own,
and he was always positive. Therewere a few people he and Cabana in

(01:20:41):
particular, were very much encouraging androoting me on from the sidelines. So
I'd like to just thank you forallowing us to share time with him when
he'd go out on the road,because he really did have a big impact
on me personally. Um. Iremember when he was in the hospital when

(01:21:03):
he just had lost his legs.He called me and he was being so
positive, and I was like,oh my gosh, like I know me
personally, like I would just havelost it. And he was like,
you know, I'm gonna go rehab, I'm gonna get you know, help,
I'm gonna you know, all thisstuff. And that was, you

(01:21:29):
know, the clean headed version ofmy dad. He was positive, you
know, um uplifting, you know, bright versus you know, when my
dad was abusing, then he waslike the opposite. But when he was
clean, you know, he wasalways positive, you know, and thinking.
But that's in a worse situation.I'm trying to think of who it
was specifically because they should be quotedon this, but somebody maybe it was

(01:21:56):
Noma'm I'm trying to think. Butthey referred to your dad as obnoxiously positive,
and I just thought that was thefunniest thing I had ever heard.
Because you're supposed to be overly positivein life, You're supposed to have an
enthusiasm and a joy and something you'repassionate about every day. I know you

(01:22:20):
shared some some personal information with meabout getting engaged in the last few months,
and he would be thrilled over themoon because he feel like he would
feel like he had done something rightright, you know. And that's that's

(01:22:42):
something that my dad has shared withme, where he said, you know,
my brother was engaged and got marriedand divorced, but he felt like
he had done something right and raisinghis children, that he was able to
complete this next step in life right. And your dad would be so proud

(01:23:08):
that you've accomplished so much at sucha young age and too you know,
big picture of this thing, Likeyour dad was so proud of his students,
his children, Like anything he touched, if it turned into a success,
he was proud, and if itfailed, he turned it into a

(01:23:30):
lesson right. And I think that'skind of the Jimmy Rave legacy in my
opinion. Yeah, he would definitely. I remember one time I got in
trouble and I had to watch PearlHarbor and my book report on it,
and so it was like I hadnot a great movie, but that's punishment

(01:23:51):
enough. It wasn't like you knowno TV. It was Nope, you're
gonna watch Pearl Harbor and report onit. I just can't thank you enough
for sharing all of this with thelisteners, and I m any thing you'd

(01:24:12):
like to plug at the end here, I just want to thank everyone for
the you know support with everything I'veseen so much twere support from the wrestling
community and tons of wrestlers. Myfamily and I are very thankful for the

(01:24:32):
support UM we have gotten. Now, you know, with social media,
there's always some mean people, butoverall, like even when something like that
has happened, I've had tons ofsupport from people in the wrestling community,
you know, sticking up for meand my family and being then supporting UM
with the go fund me that wassuper helpful, UM, the one that

(01:24:57):
I started with the memorial, becauseyou know, I'm twenty three. You
know, I'm still in grad school, so I didn't have like, you
know, all the money in theworld. Actually not, I'm a teacher,
so UM to you know pay foryou know, the memorial. And
you know, my dad was soyoung, he didn't have a will and
so the probate and all that.Like, I'm so thankful for the support

(01:25:24):
with everything that I've you know,received, or the help and everything so
far. You know, I'm justsuper thankful. Well, being thankful and
showing gratitude are very important, andI think those are wonderful traits that your
dad is certainly passed on to you. Thank you so much for sharing this

(01:25:48):
story. It means a lot.Your dad was a wonderful, wonderful guy
to so many of us, andwe really miss him, I really do
so, Kayla, thank you verymuch for joining us. And when we
come back from the next commercial break, we'll wrap it up and Hagarron will

(01:26:11):
be there, so stay tuned allright back on the other side and she
and Hagaron is not here. Hehas tasked me with doing the post show
recap and that interview with Kayla wasreally special to me. Not only is

(01:26:32):
she ring of honor royalty, eventhough she is not a part of the
wrestling business. It is important torecognize that every wrestler you see, be
it on television or it's a localindie, they have a life outside of
the ring and the character that theyplay. And Jimmy Raves sacrifice so much

(01:26:54):
for all of us, time awayfrom his family, and I think we
should all do a her job goingforward of recognizing that most importantly on Twitter,
if you contact Kayla Guffey and youcan contact her at Kayla k A
I L A H g U Ff E Y why and you can contact

(01:27:19):
her. The link to the JimmyRave go fund me is there, and
hopefully we can get to work onfinding all of Jimmy Rave's stuff and getting
that return to her. I knowhow important that is to the Rave Slash
Guffey family and all of us thatknew Jimmy would want all of his stuff
back in the possession of his daughterand son. So that wraps up our

(01:27:45):
interview with Kayla, and I onceagain want to thank Kayla for joining us
here. At the end of theshow, we look ahead to social media
Twitter and Instagram. We are atan honorable pod you can find us and
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(01:28:12):
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(01:28:38):
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As you guys all know, atthe end of the show, I read

(01:30:26):
the information about the murder of myfriend Carnell Sledge, and I wanted to
take a couple of minutes to mentionspecifically Carnell and Kate Brown today as I'm
taping this June seventh, three daysago, was the three year anniversary of

(01:30:46):
their murders. And the murders ofCarnell and Kate in the Rocky River Reservation
between five or four and five thirteenPM remain continued to be unsolved, and
I know three years a long time, and it seems like justice is further
away than ever before. But ifyou know anything that can help us get

(01:31:13):
answers, please call the Federal Bureauof Investigation for the City of Cleveland,
Ohio two one six two two sixtyeight four two. You can remain anonymous,
and if the information you have isable to lead to a conviction,
you're going to get one hundred thousanddollars. What I can tell you about

(01:31:35):
Carnell is endless. He was justsuch a gentleman and this world could use
a whole lot more. Carnell sledges. I missed my friend every single day.
Not a day goes by, don'thear his laugh or think of a

(01:31:58):
story. And three years is along time to lose one of your best
friends, and Carnell was one ofmy best friends. So if you can
help, please do help Kate's family, help Carneal's family, help all of
our friends. We really really needto get justice. And I'm hopeful that

(01:32:19):
in the coming weeks and months thatthis will no longer be a segment of
a podcast that I have to readoff, because there will be justice for
Carnell and Kate, and hopefully theirmemory is a blessing. I miss Carneal
very much, and I'm sure Katewas very missed as well. Having said

(01:32:41):
that, there is only one thingleft to do. That is to quote
your pal sal the honorable mayor ofan honorable mention, Salinardo. No need
to trip out. It's time todip out, slap the porpoise. This
one's over. We're out. Bekind to one another, keep your chin
up, happy, everything until thenext time. So I hope you take
my commentary out of this bag,because I don't want to have anything to

(01:33:04):
do with it. What I'm suckinga moored only. I see trees of
green, red rooses to I seethem blue fucking you, and I think

(01:33:26):
to myself, what I wonderful.I see skies so blue, and crimes
white, the bright blessed day,the dog sagod life, and I think

(01:33:53):
to myself, what I wonderful?The colors of the rainbow so pretty in
the sky, A particle on thefaces of people going by. I see

(01:34:17):
friends shaking hands, saying how Imade you? They're really saying. I.
I hear bigger's ground. I watchthem grow they are like much mood.

(01:34:42):
And I nevernew and I think tomyself what I wonder world, I
make you myself what I wonderful.Yeah,

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