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Hello everyone, and welcome to mycar. Yeah, my car, and
no it's not the cool one,so stop asking. So y'all, I
am getting ready for a tropical stormwith a surge wave, which I call
a mini mini tsunami, Like ifa tsunami I had a little cousin,
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and then the little cousin I hada little cousin, that would be a
storm wage storm surge. There yougo anyway, I will know not And
welcome to the writer's class for real, And I'm sorry I started with welcome
to my car, although I shouldn't. Everyone does in cars now I should
be like authors interviews in cars.We should have a car and do the
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interview. Yeah, yeah, thatwould be fun. It would except I
don't get to travel, and thenthat's not fun. Never mind, we'll
talk about that later. I havea whole new like show in my head.
Anyhow, exactly, I certainly shallOh. I'm one of the anti
thought ladies. And just in caseyou're like, what does an anti thought
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thought Ladies dot com. Oh righty, but you're not here to hear about
me and the lovely cheekbones today.I have got to admit they are cute.
Yes they are. Oh my god, she's so Midwest wonderful. My
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guess is amazing. Okay, soI got to harry up you hear hear
brod I wonderful, wonderful guest.Would you like to introduce yourself? Hi,
I'm Emily Mayor. I'm the authorof Pretend with Me. It's my
latest release. But many of youmay recognize me from Everything Girl, which
was my first book. Oh canyou tell us a bit about Everything Girl?
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Sure? I'd love to so.I Actually a fun fact about me.
Am a recovering lawyer. I startedout in criminal law, so I
was a public defender and then aprosecutor. So I wrote Everything Girl because
my job as a lawyer was crushingmy soul. So I literally imagined a
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whole nother life for myself, andI wrote it as a book as like
a coping mechanism to kind of getme through the dark, dark lawyer days.
So that's how Everything Girl came about. Yeah, so criminal law help
me a difference between what what isthe difference between intent? How do we
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know that the tent has been thatthe person did it with intent? So
you would rely on facts about thecase. So for example, I always
go right to murder. I feellike maybe I should go for that becaush
you were in, didn't they startoff with? And if someone murdered,
you would have the intent because thiswould be first, this would be it
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would be first the second degree,and then this is accidental, So you
know you do with no intent?Right right? Right? So we do
like, uh, you know,if you went and bought a gun and
told the somebody like I'm gonna shootmy wife with this gun, like that's
kind of the classic murder with intent, But like you know your bar fight
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had a couple of drinks. Youknow, someone says something about your mom
or your face or something and youpunched them too hard. There's really no
in tent, so so that's seconddegree. Yeah, it could be manslaughter,
but every state mm hm, solike murders like this, can you
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tell? Like this was my favoritepart to study for, Like I study
for the bar for out of stupidity, just because like you can start.
Yeah, you don't know anyone who'sdone it. Just for fun though.
Oh there was a sale. Itwas ninety five percent off on like all
the books because his bookstore was closingand I saw the lost the law books
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were stupid expensive and ninety percent off. You just buy them? Yeah,
sure, why not? And thenthen they were like, you can study
for the bar. So I justbought like bar study books. That was
it, you can probably honestly,I feel like I didn't that was helpful
for the bar. I didn't knowyou saw, like I didn't. I
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want with second degree, my clientcould go for Man's mark. Okay,
listen, it's fine, it's fine. You just gotta get a good judge.
That's when it's important. Straight.I just didn't I'm sorry. That
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wasn't the only part that made senseto me. It was like criminal law
makes sense that it does n't tilit doesn't. It made more sense.
It made more sense because I tooka lot when a corporate law did you
you took corporate law? I did? I did. Yeah, you take
everything exactly, Yeah, between criminallaw and corporate law. Which one makes
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more sense? Criminal law for sure? For sure. You just have to
like try to fit the like itjust seems so clear in books. And
then you have your client that waslike, oh, I didn't mean to
shoo him. I was just eatingmy oreos on the toilet and the fish
tank was next to me, andthat's where I keep my gun. That's
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when it gets tricky. Yeah,that was a real those are that was
like pretty close to real facts ina case. Mm hmm. So that's
when it gets tricky. I'm like, I'm sitting here, I'm like I'm
running through the fences now, andI'm like, well, that's so more.
Yeah, never mind, that's usingyour assault. Let's moved on.
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But that's why I had to writeto keep saying like you know, yeah,
oh god, okay, everything girlis obviously not about Intent and Everything
Now, So that was your firstbook? And when did that come out?
So that came out all the wayback in twenty nineteen, all the
way back in twenty I mean,I feel like the past like three years
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have been like twelve rolled into one. So twenty nineteen feels like I feel
like it's so it doesn't count aslike there was twenty nineteen and then there
was twenty twenty three. Yeah that'sfair. Yeah, So like to me,
you wrote it just last year.Sometimes it feels that way. So
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it took you four years to writethe next one? So well, change
what was the challenge? I actuallyhad one more book come out between Everything
Girl and Pretend with Me, SoI had Rocket Science come out July of
twenty twenty. So that was myPandemic baby. So I just had really
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bad writer's block for like a yearand a half. It was like I
had all the ideas, but Icouldn't write them down anymore. I just
none of us seen. Yeah,and I was like a newer writer.
It was when I had transitioned tofull time writing, and I think a
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lot of it was just figuring outa schedule that worked for me. Almost
in a routine, because all ofa sudden, you're not like reporting for
eight hours a day and you're justkind of in the weeds by yourself.
Yeah, and we are writers,and writers naturally procrastinate, I think so,
especially if you are an indie publisheror an indie writer and there's no
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one, no deadline really like firmdeadline you have to meet. So I've
definitely learned that I am a deadlinegirly and I need one. So accountability.
You have to announce it to yourfans, yes, because they will
hold you accountable. They will.And then like my editor, I always
say, don't let me pool anythingwith you, so she helps a ton.
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Oh so how was what is theprocess that you found? Actually,
let me ask this question first.What did you wish you know when you
decided to self publish? Well,this might seem silly considering I wrote a
book, but that people will actuallyread your book. I when I everything,
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girl, I wrote for myself andI published it as like a bucket
list kind of item, and Ididn't realize that somebody besides my mom was
going to read it. So Iwish I would have seen kind of the
potential it had, and that morepeople would read it because people started to
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ask me things like, oh,when is so and so going to get
his story? Or when is thislady is she going to have a book?
And I was like, yeah,probably so. I definitely wish I
would have had like more of acohesive plan and envisioned a future for myself
as a writer before I even publishedmy first book. I think some of
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the best journeys are the ones whereyou don't think that you can do it.
I really think it. Because I'msorry, my mind just went back
to why didn't you ask for manslaughter? You know better? I'm sorry.
Listen, sometimes when you're in thecourt room, it just comes so fast,
you know. Well, do youknow how many papers I have written
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on the difference between second degree andmanselaw just because I thought I would take
the bar one day. Anyway,moving on, I'm bad. I'm back
to ever ask a lawyer if youshould take the bar exam, because we're
all going to be like, oh, I'm never taking Oh god, no,
it's it. Like they were like, it's really really hard to take
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and I was like, and thenthey started like really explaining, like explaining
like how you would go about answeringit and the method of thinking, and
I went, oh, no,it's row. It's better to just have
knowledge. I think so, andto remember, like you know, most
important, never say anything unless itcan I have a lawyer. That's it.
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So if you learn that in yourbar study class, then it was
while worth the money. That's mypublic service, and everyone watching thank you
so much for that public service,and we're back on track. I feel
like that people who just take thejourney often they have the most exciting journey.
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So it's people who set expectations andgolds because they're not enjoying the journey.
I definitely think there is truth tothat. I mean, the amount
of joy I've gotten from this journeybecause I expected so little from it,
has been really incredible. I meanI just the first time somebody reached out
and said, oh I like yourbook, I mean, it just it
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was the most wonderful moment for me. I printed it out, the email
out, I stuck it on mywall and it was you know, I
mean, it was just an amazingmoment that I never thought would happen for
myself. So now comes a questionthat I have to ask everyone, which
is what are three pieces of advicewould you give any new author out there
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that's considering being self published, Otherthan, of course the reading part,
I would say, for sure,just write. Don't worry about how well
your draft is going. If everythingis perfect, just write the story.
Just write the story how you wantto write it, and don't put that
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kind of pressure on yourself for thatperfect first draft. I think that's where
a lot of people falter. Ithink that gets very overwhelming. But once
you get rid of the idea ofperfection with your first draft, I think
anyone, anyone can finish a draft. The second thing I would say is
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find a way to hold yourself accountableso you don't end up with a forty
your project, because I have likeeighty five open word documents that may never
get finished. And then definitely pickone thing to invest in. If you
really really want writing to be acareer for you, I think it's really
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important to invest in some aspect ofthe process, whether it be editing,
marketing, just something to really investin for your future. I think those
would be my advice. Thank you. I love that, especially if they
invest in part of it, likemake this a real career because you're invested
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in your career just because of thedollar bills. Yeah yeah, And it's
like, you know, you haveto find ways to distinguish yourself, and
sometimes I think that's easier to dealwith you invest in yourself. So tell
I'm just going to be general aboutthis one. The new book, Like
it's four years, it's got tobe spectacular because uh, your spectacular,
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right, I mean I am already. Yeah, So Pretend with Me is
actually kind of a love letter tomy true crime podcast, which kind of
will seem strange because it is aromp com and there is no crime.
But I actually had really bad writer'sblock. I know, I mentioned that,
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and I always listened to true crimepodcasts when I walk my dog,
and I got really into the murder. I don't know, did you follow
that at all? The murder trialsdown in South Carolina, that like famous
lawyer who ended up being convicted ofmurdering his wife and son, and it
was just crazy. They like ownthis small town, and I just kind
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of started imagining what it would belike living in that kind of town with
the family that kind of had thatmuch power. And it started as just
like a free right exercise to getrid of my writer's block and it turned
into a whole book. So that'skind of just what happened. I imagine
what it would be like to livein a small southern town that was kind
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of ruled by one family dynasty.That is amazing. Again, I feel
like it's you know, following thejourney has really gotten you someplace. So
where can we buy this book?Where can we find out more information about
you so we can follow your journeyat your journey through your career. Yes,
so you can always grab copies ofPretend with Me. My other books
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will be up on Amazon. I'mcurrently working on having all of the existing
books as well as Pretend with Memade into audiobooks, so you'll be able
to get it on audible or Amazon, and then you can follow me on
Emily Mayor author on both Facebook andInstagram, and I'm on Emimayor books dot
com. Awesome, Thank you somuch Emily for being here. I have
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thoroughly enjoyed our time with you,and I'm so sorry. Well supply,
yes, I hope your cheekbones continueto glow and get you through this.
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