Episode 103: I Would Instantly Be Peeing And Crying (Harrison Okene-Ship Wreck Survivor)

In this week's episode, Shawna kicks off the return of Anxious and Afraid by telling the incredible and harrowing survival tale of Harrison Okene, a man who sank to the bottom of the sea and lived to tell the tale. Tune in for this extraordinary story of human endurance and the ability to keep a level head even in the most stressful times.
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Episode Transcript

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It's so cute. Oh that's fresh. Hello, Hey guys, welcome,

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Welcome. I'm Mabbie and I'm Shana, and this is anxious and afraid.
We're back. We are back,baby, back in business, obsessing over
the podcast room because we got somenew lights. It's so cute in here.
There's red lights, purple lights,blue lights, all the lights,
very viby. My mom got usthis little saturn table lamps. That's really

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cute, so super cute. She'salways wrapping the podcast. I know,
she's always so excited. Yeah,hi mom, Yeah, we're back.
We're very excited to be here.And what a day to come back,
Abby. Yeah, I mean normallywe ask each other why we're anxious and
afraid, but today is like avery obvious answer. Yeah, for the
both of us. We're gonna takeit for the both of us. You

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might have seen on our stories,well at this point it would have been
last week. But in Oregon wherewe are, there's like an ice apocalypse
happening outside. Yeah, we gotice alert last night and then we woke
up to literally everything in icicles.Everything's covered in icicles. The car is
covered in like a quarter inch oflike a whole sheet of ice, sheets

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of ice. My windows were frozen. We're like on this the Day of
our Lord and day of our podcastrecording this is happening. I thought the
Day of our Lord was Sunday.It's today now. I well, I
think it's an old, old andtimey saying where you could you can just
every day is the day of theLord. Yeah, because every day is
the Lord's day if you're here onEarth, Yes, heavenly earth, Lord's

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day. Way from two very notreligious people. Yeah, so it's super
icy outside. But I was like, and you had to come pick me
up because I don't get I'm gonnago get her. You have a better
car for this kind of weather.We have a rab so it's not like
four wheel drive, I don't think, but it's better than a Prius,

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tiny tiny car. And the roadswere actually okay, Yeah, we're alive.
We're good. So we're good.There was like a mishap with a
train. What do you call thosethings? I don't know what's the arm
thing called. It's like an arm, electric army, it's the electric arm.
Of course, we're right, we'realways right. So the one on
our side, like the train passedand it went up and then it went

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back down, and then went upand then it went back down, and
it just happening, and all thecars are like, what do we what
do we do in this situation?So we all had to like drive into
oncoming traffic lane to get around it, which was stressful, but hey,
we're here. We made it.Yeah, yeah, this is the fun.
We're here and we're here to doan episode and it's the fun part.
Yeah, pray for the drive home. Yeah, honestly, that's a

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different story. It'll bob be fine. But yeah, we're back. We're
excited to be here. Let's see, we already talked about the ice.
What else was I going to talkabout? So? News about our website?
Yeah, that accidentally went to putwhen we were gone. Sorry,
oops, my dad, it's gone. So our website is currently out of

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commission, but we are working onit. It's under construction. We've got
our little hard hats on and we'rebuilding it. So I don't really know
what I'm doing when it comes toweb design newsplash, So it's taking me
a little bit of time, buteventually it will be up and running.
It's just not right now. Butlike everything, else is good, except

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for our Patreon isn't currently turned on, but right, We're probably gonna put
that back up at some point.But so yeah, for now, you
can still email us or emails good. Yeah, yeah, just not the
website. But exactly, I thinkwe can all live without it for a
little bit. I just took avery deep breath away from the mic,

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nervous. She has to go first, so understandably it is my time.
It's it's me again starting the podcast. I did the first episode the first
time. Yeah, so it onlyseems appropriate that she used to go I
always make you go first. WellI assumed I was, and I felt
like I should I just hate it. Yeah, that's understandable. I would
have hated it, but I'm alsovery excited. It's very It's both motions

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for sure. Yeah, it's justI just have to read now read a
mic hard reading. Everyone has tohear my voice read. That's like my
worst nightmare. Hello in school?Were you the kid that Yes, I
counted. I reread it, andthen when it was my turn, and
I felt a little bit more comfortable, absorbed nothing else that anyone else was
saying, exactly, reride your part. Yeah, that's what I would do

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too. But then sometimes a kidwould like fuck up and read two sections
and you're like, you've just fuckedup my whole bag? How dare that
kid? Now? I have tolike read a different section? Right?
Of course I would always get likethe bigger paragraph too, So honestly,
as someone who likes to read,I got kind of jazzed when I got
a larger paragraph. I was like, here's my moment, your moment to
shine. Everyone watch me read.Yeah, nerd, it's fine. I

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don't think we have any other mentions, do we? No? No,
no, we're just we're just chuggingalong and we're back and here we are.
So I guess I have an episode. If you want to hear it,
I do. I did driving theice to get you to hear this.
Yeah, we should do it.Okay, okay, okay, I'm

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excited for whatever this is gonna beall right, all right, I guess
i'll start now you should, Okay. So I'm not gonna tell you anything.
I'm just gonna go into it fordramatic effect. Oh, I love
the suspense. Okay. It's Maytwenty eighth, twenty thirteen. Three divers
are on a twelve body recovery mission. Oh, twenty miles or thirty two

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kilometers off the coast of Nigeria,a jaskin Ford tugboat has capsized in a
storm two and a half days earlierand had sunk to the upside down in
all the way to the bottom ofthe ocean, which was one hundred feet
or thirty meters. Okay, sothat's where we're at. Yikes, Okay,

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we're starting out very right. I'mgoing right in. Okay. Ship,
this one's a doozy ship sinking.They're on a body recovery mission.
Yeah, there's divers collecting bodies inthe sunken boat because we're assuming everyone's dead.
Yes, So the divers are equippedwith flashlights along with some tools,
also knives in case they come acrossany predators like sharks or barracuda that might

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be feeding, Oh god, offof these bodies. Oh, that's an
extra layer of awful. I'm goingright in. I already have the chills.
Okay, yeah, geez. Ithought we were going to start off
with like a reincarnation story or youjust ease us in. Oh no,
hard. I had to come inreal hard, with a strong one.
Okay, maybe we should have givena warning warning, very anxiety and inducing

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episode here. Okay, yeah,because we're underwater and I hate it.
I hate under one. I alreadyget so claustrophobic just thinking about it.
This is gonna be a fun onethen for all of us. Okay,
okay. So the divers also havebody cameras and mics to keep in contact
with the crew above water, becausethat crew has the map of the ship

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and they're guiding them through the waterbecause it's super murky and everything is upside
down, so everything is being recorded. Oh so are you saying there's footage
of this? I might be Oh, I might be saying that geez.
One of the three divers was namedNico, and Nico was in line of
the three swimming through the foggy watersof the ship. They have already collected

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a few bodies when Nico suddenly feelssomething glide on the back of his lis
No, no, no no,and you know, no one's supposed to
be behind you and you can't see. I hate this. Everything's murky,
like, it's not clear water.It's murky and it's dark. Okay.
He turns around to see what heturns around to see what he felt,

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and slowly you see a pale,wrinkly human hand emerge from the milky water,
reaching out. Stop it wait,actively reaching. I don't like this.
I don't like this. At first, both Nico and the crew above
thought it was just another floating corpse. Nico grabbed the hand, not expecting

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it to squeeze it back and tugon him like podcet. This is so
horrifying. I can't okay, I'mjust gonna shut up and let you go.
I can't even Oh. I lovethat you're just I love this height
of anxiety that we're both horrified.Both the crew above and the divers start

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freaking out and yelling, he's alive, He's alive, Sawbi. Clearly it's
a zombie. You can even hearthe crew guy above say fucking hell,
I don't know what we're gonna donow. Yeah, because I'm sure they
didn't come prepared to find in alive person like no need so much medical
care. It's been two days andthey are one hundred feet down in the

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ocean. Jesus Christ, im boyscapsized. I'm just trying to picture,
like what that poor person endured fortwo. I'm gonna tell you give me
this is the incredible survival story ofHarrison O'Kenna. Okay, new Nightmare unlocked.

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I oh my god, I can'teven imagine for that two and a
half days. You just assume you'rejust waiting to die, I know,
and you're so round you buy yourfriends? Who are day? Am I
starting off good? Or what youare really proud of? My I'm like
horrified and chlaustrophobic and my thighs areclenching. I know, I can't breathe.

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Oh i'd be nervous to read thistoo. How are you even breathing?
I'm not I'm about to pass out, Yes, very much. So
we might need to take a coupleof breaks. But are you ready?
Yeah? I mean no, butyeah, okay, so scared. Harrison
o' kenna was a twenty nine yearold cook at the time on the ill

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fated Jaskin for tugboat. On themorning of May twenty sixth, twenty thirteen,
Harrison has just woken up for theday and he did what we probably
all do first thing in the morning, and that is pee you go to
the bathroom. A plus for you, yay. It was a very stormy
morning. Harrison stumbles his way tothe bathroom and he's still just in his

(11:11):
box for shorts. Okay, whichis I have no idea what they look
like, but I'm picturing red withlike white hearts. For some reason,
that's really funny because I pictured whitewith red hearts. Oh my god,
we complete each other. Wow.Okay, So all right, So he's
going to the bathroom. The shipis rocky, but they're like, this

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is the ocean. I don't knowif I'd ever be comfortable enough on a
boat in the middle of the oceanto strip down to my underwear. Just
you just sleeping close, I mean, like long John's at least, I
mean, yeah, well, Iguess it wouldn't matter if I don't know,
I don't know what I'm saying.Sleep And it's exactly Michael, he
knows how we think. This ismy emotional support life fest. I need

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it at all time. That's howwould we would be. But no,
he's just in his boxers. He'slike, this is fine. I'm used
to it. Yeah. So he'strying to go on the toilet. The
boat is violently rocking back and forth, when suddenly it doesn't rock back and
it keeps on turning. Waters startseeping throughout the ship. No, it's

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now completely capsized. Stop it.You can't even I was assuming he's not
like seeing what's happening outside. He'sjust feeling all of this, just feeling
it. He's inside the bathroom andthen all of a sudden he's upside down
and the toilets above him. Ican't. I mean, have you,
oh, did he did he completethe pe? Was it a pee or
was that other thing? Did itdump on him? Did he was he

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able to actually relieve himself before thisordeal? Is also a question. I
have you either are now capsized holdingyour pee or your capsized and your pe
just got dumped all over you,which is or you just pee and you
don't even know it. I'm Iwould also pee my pants at this.
I would probably just pee not everywhere. Have you seen the videos though,
of like those really rough seas,like the videos that people take from within

(13:03):
the ship where they're just like beingflung around. Yeah, I can't handle
those right off. It makes itgives me hives. But I also have
a sick fascination with always click onscary ocean videos. I know, I
think read it as a whole I'mon it too much. It has a
whole subreddit. I think it's calledthassilophobia. Is that the glasophobia? The
lasophobia? However you say that word. But that's like the fear of like

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deep ocean. I don't know,fun facts coming from you love it?
Yeah, so if you really wantsome hives, you can go on that
subreddit. It's got some good stuff. Yeah anyway, sorry, continue,
Okay, So that's fine. Soit's capsized, everything's upside down. The
ship is now making its way downto the bottom of the end. No,
so Harrison struggles to open the bathroomdoor he's now stuck in. The

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water is rising, and finally,after a few tries, though he's able
to get the door open, henow faces an upside down hallway. He
is able to quickly grab a lifejacket and he goes to the nearest exit
hatch. However, these are normallylocked as a precaution against pirates. So
each hatch he tried when it's open, but even if it does, like

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when there just be water, isa hatch to the outside of the boat.
Is that what you just said?You know? I don't know.
I don't know these type of questions. I'm just like, these are this
is like you don't even understand.This is like one of my top anxiety
fears is like I love it beingin a sunken ship because even if you
get out, then you're just drowning. You're dead anyway, You're just watching

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the water rise. He's like livingon I mean, obviously, I guess
he survives, but like you're livingon borrow time when you're just like,
oh, I'm in an air pocketat the bottom of the ocean. It's
the worst way to think about dying. Yeah, I can't even handle submarines.
They give me the most times,just even like Okay, sorry,
I'm just gonna be freaking out thiswhole time. Good, I'm so glad

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you do this to me. I'vetorturing you. Okay, So obviously this
is happening within seconds, I guess. Keep that in mind. So then
Harrison sees three of his crewmates overby another exit hatch, which happens to
be open, but then very quicklywith a huge gush of running or running
water, but gush of water.Harrison watches all three crew members get swept

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out of the door. He knewimmediately those guys were gone, but Harrison,
he gets swept into another bathroom area, and this time the bathroom is
inside the second engineer's cabin. Okay, yikes, Okay, so he's in
another bathroom. Okay. The bathroomdoor shuts behind him, of course,
and the room is quickly filling upwith water. Still he still has boxers

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like this whole time, he's yeah, like no clothes. Okay, yeah,
he's like practically naked. Yep,just keep that in mind, too,
terrifying. This is gross. Atthis point, he feels the thud
of the ship hitting the bottom ofthe ocehit. No, imagine that feeling
what I can't know. I'm tryingto picture what that would feel like,
but like gross, he must know. I mean, he's upside down,

(16:11):
so he must know that they're sinking. Yeah, but like if you can't
see what's happening outside, maybe you'relike maybe we're still corking around on the
surface of the water. But thento feel that finality of like you're at
the bottom of the ocean, like, yeah, it's gross. It's this
is so awful. This is theworst. Poor poor men, Like I
just I know the bravery of doingthat every day as a job. No

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way, I cannot imagine that kindof a job, like all those shows
on like the deep Sea Fishing.I'm like, no, fuck that absolutely
not, thank you, but absolutelynot, absolutely not. Yes, So
this is one hundred feet down thirtymeters for the rest of the world.
So to put that more like inperspective visually, one hundred feet thirty meters

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is also a ten story building.Okay, three school buses in a row
like regular school buzzes. Don't likethat, or one blue a whale okay,
just some fun visuals. Yeah,okay, I like it. I
like the whale made the list.Yeah, so, I mean it doesn't
sound like it's super deep, butit's still pretty freakin deep. That's pretty.

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I mean you're still in the dark. Yeah, bottom of the ocean.
I don't care. If it wasone bus, I would write,
I would have a bad time exactly. Yeah, you're still under water.
You can still drown. Yeah,easily, gross, terrible. So a
little air pocket was created and Harrisonwas able to keep himself above water while
holding onto the bottom base of thesink. Okay, upside down bathroom fuck

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so hard? Yes, So He'sin complete darkness at this point, there's
no light. You're at the bottomof the ocean. Everything is black in
the dark. You have no sight, so no sights, like, get
rid of your sight right now.Right it's cold, and he can still
hear the cries of his crewmates asthey my God, and then it becomes

(18:06):
silent. Then you know they're gone, and then you can't hear anything.
So awful. I'm sorry, he'sso awful. Sorry, I feel so
bad for these men. Yeah.When I heard this story, this,
this is the one that shook methe most, and so I knew I
had to like do this one.I just keep thinking of that movie that

(18:26):
I watched not that long ago thatreally fucked me up. Was what was
it called, Michael. It wasthe They're all on the It's like an
older movie, but it's like GeorgeClooney. I just watched that like a
few months ago. I watched that. I never watched it Perfect the Perfect
Storm. Yes, oh my god, I watched that and I was like,
this based off a true story.He just fucked me up so hard.
I think I was prock Wahlberg too. Mark Wahlberg is so old.

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It ends when he's just like inthe middle of the ocean, just bobs
up and he's just there and it'seven they just cut away from it,
and I'm like, he's just inthe ocean as a human in the middle
of the ocean dead. That moviethat was gross. I'm sorry if that
just spoiled it for you, butwe did spoiler alert twenty years old.
It is, so it's really old, but it's really well done, and
I just keep thinking of like thescene what's the other guy's name, John

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c Riley, when he's just like, oh, this is gonna right,
he's so hard on my son,and then they all just are underwater and
I'm just like, that's so disgusting. So if you need like any kind
of reference to what, yes,you need a visual like that movie is
because they're on the ship. It'swell done and it's awful. I'm glad
you mentioned that because I do.I have flashes of that movie as I

(19:33):
speak about this. It's really reminiscentof it, and it's just it's I've
never seen that movie. I justwatched it a few months ago. Oh
my god. I can't believe weboth had never seen it and we've never
seen it. We had literally justboth watched it not that long ago.
We're both crazy, we're insane.I didn't think it was going to end
as brutally as it did. Ohno, I was shook. I was
like, oh, it's a truestory. So at least once everyone's right.

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No, no, they devastate you. It's devastating. It's emotionally really
hard. So just be forewarned ifyou're gonna watch it. Yeah, so
anyway, that's what's happening. That'swhat's happening. Okay, it becomes silent,
so you can't see, you can'thear anything. You're in the bottom
of the ocean. It's cold.Harrison gives himself no time to panic,

(20:19):
though I don't know how. Hejust laser focuses on surviving and getting himself
out of this second locked bathroom.I mean, I mean, what else
do you do? I don't know, because like, if that's your only
air pocket, what if that's youronly air pocket? Also true, you
could just be waltzing into death,like true, very true. Yep.

(20:41):
Okay, do we need to takea break. Sure, this is a
good time to take a break beforewe continue. All right, let's breathe
okay, wear a back. Hello, Hello, hope you took a breath.
And we're in the second bathroom,locked under a ship, right,

(21:03):
okay, that's where we left off. Yeah, ready, yeah, all
right. So Harrison is feeling hisway around the bathroom and he feels for
or he feels a metal vent,so he yanks that metal cover off and
he uses it as a tool tohelp himself jam open the bathroom door.
He really does somehow stay really calmand thinks really rationally during all this,

(21:26):
and I don't understand it. Imean, you probably have to have a
level of that ability when you're doingthat job because I imagine things could go
to shit very quickly. But he'salso like not to like he's young,
but he's like he's the cook,not to like downgrade a cook, but
like right, he's not like oneof the guys that's doing like whatever.

(21:49):
What the ship are they? Frisherman, Is that what you said? I
I think they work on like youknow, I don't know, Okay,
I forgot. I didn't put itin my notes either they're doing something on
the they're just out having a time. Yeah, yeah, but I get
what you're saying, Like manly waitway to think, like, let me

(22:11):
feel for something to help me openthis door. Just like that's such logical
thinking, and I would just beinstantly peeing and crying and crying. So
he takes this, and after afew tries, he does get that second
bathroom door open. And this isa good thing because he is now exposed
to the rest of the engineer's cabinand this space has an even bigger air

(22:36):
pocket. Okay, so risk paidoff exactly. See. I feel like
my logical thinking would be like itwould fill out air here. I need
to stay here and die that way. I would rather die that way than
inhil water and drown oh from likecarbon monoxide poisoning. Mm hmm, yeah,
I see, even though it wouldbe slow and mentally devastating. There's

(23:02):
two terrible choices. I don't know. I just don't like the idea.
I mean, I guess maybe hewas thinking, you know, quicker death.
I don't. Everything is bad.Everything is bad here freaks me out
with this kind of any time there'slike a movie where the water is slowly
rising and filling up and then theyare until they're underwater. Like that makes

(23:22):
me sick because you have time tothink about what's about to happen to you.
It's not like it's all of asudden. It's like, yes,
you're aware. You're too aware momentsto be like, Okay, the water's
getting higher, the water is gettinghigher. I'm about to have to inhale
water like I just it makes itso much worse. I hate it so
much. It's awful. So thisspace, it's kind of hard to describe

(23:44):
this, the space of it.I got online that it's thirteen point five
cubic meters or four hundred and seventysix cubic feet. It's like roughly four
feet high if that helps you visually. Four feet high. Yeah, so
it's so he like, it's fourfeet tall. The air pocket, Oh,
the air pocket, airpocket. I'mexplaining the space he has to breathe.

(24:07):
I was like, the whole room, How short are these crawling around?
No, that's the air pocket space. And then it's wide, so
I mean it's big for an airpocket, but it's still okay that an
airport. Explains how he was ableto like, I'm sorry, Michael,
I just bumped his mic. It'sokay. His reaction times, sir,

(24:27):
he's good Okay, we're good.So, yeah, that explains how he
had enough air just to survive thatlong. Yet it's a bigger air pocket
to reside in. Okay. Soin the cabin there's obviously also tons of
dangerous debris everywhere. Yeah, duh, hairs to be scared of, like

(24:49):
being electrocuted somehow too, because Inever even thought of that. It's oh
right, I don't know. Anyways, he feels his way around and he
finds himself some sort of clothing andhe was able to rip those into strips
and he made himself a rope.So he's still like thinking of things,

(25:11):
like on how to get out ofhere. Okay, I wonder what he's
gonna use the rope for. Sohe ties one end to something in the
cabin and the other end to himself, so he now has a tether to
the air pocket. Oh okay,Because you can't see anything's and the boat's
upside down, so like, howdisoriented even if you know the layout of
the boat, everything is upside downand dark and underwater. Also, I

(25:34):
guess you wouldn't want to have extraclothes on if you're swimming around, sure,
because he would be heavier, Butsure, wow. Wow, So
this is what he's doing. Imean that this is impressive, so crazy.
Okay, so he can still feelhis way around and he can swim.
Now, so this this tether.That way he doesn't get lost and

(25:56):
he can quickly find his way backto the air pocket. Because if you
go under the water and you getlost, like you're doomed, it would
be so easy to be turned aroundexactly dark and yeah, like you said,
everything's like opposite, So yeah,I would immediately get lost. So
for hours, Harrison is going backand forth from the air pocket to another

(26:17):
exit door and he's trying to getit open because I guess he just thinks
he's got to get out. Yeah, I'm not sure what his plan was,
Like we were thinking before. Iwould think like it would just fill
up and then you would drown.Yeah, so yeah, I don't really
know what he was thinking, butI guess that's what you do. And
I mean to me, I guessit would keep my mind occupied. Yeah

(26:38):
yeah, maybe keep me warm bylike moving around, but then you're also
using up oxygen. Yeah, Idon't know. It's all bad anyways,
So after a while of this,he has no idea how much time is
passing. He no clue, No, you wouldn't. But after a while
he does get tired. So searchingaround in the debris in the cabin,

(27:00):
now he's able to find a bagcontaining one can of sardines and one can
of Coca cola. Okay, soafter having his little survival snack, Yeah,
Harrison knew that he had to gethis body out of the water.
At least it's dark, it's cold. He's totally at risk for hyperthermia.
Yeah, I wonder how cold thewater was, Like, I mean,

(27:22):
but eat like one hundred feet downthe way, I guess. Yeah,
it's gonna be cold no matter what. Yeah, even if it's like a
tropical area. Yeah, hundred feetdown is cold. And you're just in
boxers, so you're like just exposed. So, being the mcguyverd that he
is, apparently, he ends upripping some wooden panels off the walls and
he ties those panels together to essentiallymake himself a raft to sit on.

(27:47):
Wow. Wow, right, sobrets by this guy so impressive at this
point though, this is like we'relike how we would react, Like he's
accepting the fact that he can escape. He sits there in near complete sensory
deprivation, accepting his fate of death. I can't, like you're just sitting

(28:07):
there and be like, Okay,I guess I'm just gonna die. He
just wrapped inside of a sunken ship, like I can't. It's terrible.
He starts thinking about his wife andfamily, and he would pray out loud
and sing church songs as the timekept passing, because it just keeps passing.
Like, I wonder if you likerealized how long he was down there

(28:29):
for once he gets out, No, he said he had no clue.
He said he maybe he thought hewas down there for maybe a day.
Oh whoa, because like, yeah, if you go to sleep and you
maybe don't know, or just likeyeah, and when it's so dark and
you're doing something, I mean,an hour might feel like five minutes,
you know, right, and there'syeah, there's no light, there's no

(28:51):
way to know. No, Idon't know anything. Oh god. So
here's a quote from this amazing mantalking about like this moment as well.
He's so smart. So quote,I tried to kill the fear in front
of me, because one thing thatcan kill you fast is fear, that
panic that comes at you. Itkills you before your real death comes,

(29:14):
because the moment you start panicking,you use too much oxygen. That's true.
Oh yeah, that's such a goodquote though, to like explain,
like the panic and fear kills youfirst. I mean, you know,
it's a good point. That's agood point, especially when you have limited
oxygen obviously, Yeah, especially inthis case. Yeah, specifically in this

(29:34):
case. Right, So he's eventhinking about that, like, I don't,
like, I just can't different.I think I'm a different species that
guy a little bit. Okay,So ready for some gross parts, sure,
I mean it's not that bad.Well, okay, so while he

(29:56):
sits there, his legs are stillkind of in the water most of the
time, and there's crayfish around,and they're in the water and they're trying
to nibble at his skin. Sowhat they're nibbling at him? No crayfish.
There's a whole there's so many peopleto like, people to eat.
Well, okay, there's people toeat, but that's girls. I'm sorry.
I mean, like there's a wholeocean of things to eat, Like,
don't eat me. It's just yeah, just another layer of like what

(30:19):
he's dealing with like everything is alreadyso bad. You want to eat me
now too? I know, leaveme alone. I'm trying to breathe in
the dark. He okay, okay. So he also accidentally consumes so much
salt water that his throat starts throbbingin pain and his tongue starts to peel
peel. I guess peel, that'swhat it said online. I'm trying to

(30:45):
remember when we did the the Indianapolisepisode where they were all in the ocean
for so long. I thought youwere gonna start talking about like skin slippage,
and like, really, that's disgusting. That term is so bad.
Sorry it is. It's terrible.Now that makes me think of the Volcano
episode where their skin was But becausethey did talk about like people that would

(31:11):
drink salt water, and I rememberthem saying like their tongues would swell,
But I don't remember them saying theirtongues would peel. I mean, just
imagine like the roughness, like it'ssalt water. So it's just like and
his food is sardines and coca cola, which the word bubbles, which is
no one's thirsty, right, Ifeel like coca cola makes you extra thirsty
for like water because it's just ofcourse sugar. Sure. Yeah, so

(31:33):
I mean just imagine you're dealing withlike throat and mouth pain like bad.
And then he also starts smelling thedead bodies as they decompose, so like
they're in the same area as him. I mean, there's bodies in other
parts of the ship, so hecan smell it. Still, I guess
gone just gross, like the worstsmell. Oh that's so awful. Oh

(31:59):
that poor. Yeah, this isterrible, slow, painful way to die.
And I hate it. I know, Oh god, I would Yeah,
I don't even Like you're like,should I just end it? Like
or how long are you supposed towait? Like, yeah, I would
probably try to fall asleep. I'mjust gonna just sleep and never wake up.
Well, okay, so it's twentythirteen, So like I guess in

(32:21):
the back of my mind, I'dbe like, there is probably some kind
of tracking something on this ship tobe found, like if they're not checking
in, I guess you would havesome hope that you might be found,
but who knows how long that wouldtake? Right, I mean, this
is like crazy circumstances. There's noway, there's no way he should be
able to survive this, honestly,no one even and like if the ship

(32:44):
goes down, yeah, they're inrecovery mode, but they're not. There.
Isn't that urgency of like exactly whensurvived? You know, they're obviously
thinking no one survived this, rightgod? Okay? So yeah, oh
okay, so also fun fat questionmark question mark. So technically I think

(33:04):
we kind of touched on this.He wouldn't die as you would think of
running out of oxygen in such asmall, confined space. He would actually
die first of carbon dioxide poisoning.Okay, that makes sense. Yeah,
so two horrible thoughts. Yeah,I mean that wouldn't be great either.
But yeah no, and that's justlike you can't help it because that's literally

(33:27):
what you're exhaling. Right, That'sthe other thing that freaked me out about.
So you take a breath to live, but then you exhale and it's
gonna kill you. Yeah, youhave to, like you have to be
so cognizant of like breathing shallow andcalmly. Yeah, if you're which do
you do that if you think you'regonna survive or would you just I mean
I would still I would be bawlingand using up all the air immediately if

(33:52):
we were in this situation. Shanna, stop crying. You're sucking up all
the air. You also pede andall the water. Yes, okay,
so this is an awful situation.He's sitting there in silence, and then
all of a sudden, Harrison hearsa bang against the ship, and I

(34:14):
think he does think, oh this, maybe these are divers. So he
starts banging on the walls, hopingsomebody would hear him, just in case
they were right. I mean,what else do you do? However,
the crew of divers were just markingthe shipwreck with a booie and they were
only halfway down into the water,so of course they didn't hear him.
Oh okay, Okay, so heheard the they're marking the ship if they're

(34:39):
aware of the wreck, yeah,and where it's at, so that's why
they put a booie there. Okay. So the next day they're going to
explore it. Oh okay, Sohe has to wait a whole other day
before they go down. Yeah.So my next bullet says more hours passed.
Oh my god. I was like, okay, so we're already passed
like two days. Wow, yeah, this is you're like reading my stuff

(34:59):
as you're talking. This is thesecond full day that's past. Okay,
forty eight hours, I can't okay, underwater in a redship air pocketwater so
gross. So it's the next dayand Harrison hears unusual sounds outside his air
pocket space again, which also couldbe like, oh my gosh, is

(35:22):
that predators or a shark because someone'sjust like bumping into the break. It
could be any type of sea creaturealso wanting to eat you. But this
is a new crew of divers whoare collecting the bodies throughout the ship.
And Harrison sees the light and thewater the first thing he sees in two
days. Oh yeah, because hehasn't seen any light and he just sees

(35:43):
a flicker of light. Can youimagine you don't see anything for two days,
You're in blackness? Like is thisthe end? Or is it rescue?
Right? You would be delirious likewhat is happening? I be say
if there was like a bunch ofsharks around, because I would imagine like
the smell of the bodies with drawI mean, they're prepared for sharks,

(36:04):
So yeah, there are sharks around. Okay, Yeah, so it's now
or never. So Harrison takes adeep breath and tries to swim towards the
diver, but the diver is tooquick. He can't reach them, and
he's already running out of breath gettingtired, so he has to make his
way back to the air pocket likedevis if they leave me, like like,

(36:28):
that was your one shot and youcouldn't get to them. I can't
even imagine the fear being like,oh my god, they're here, but
I like, you actually have achance of survival and then you miss him.
I can't even Okay, that's disgustingall over my body. Yeah,
okay, but of course Harrison issuperhero Man, and he's like, I'm

(36:49):
gonna give it one more shot.I gotta go. This is now or
never, And so he takes anotherbreath and he's like, I'm gonna get
the attention of one of these divers. So with one last stch effort to
survive, he swims out and hereaches his hand and this is where we
come back to the beginning of theepisode, and this is the moment that's
captured on camera. Oh my god, it's on camp can you imagine the

(37:13):
nightier fuel the diver is not expectinganyone to be alive, and then the
fear and the freak out of thediver too. And I think like Harrison's
aware of this too, and hefeels bad that he's gonna scare the shit
out of a diver. Excuse me, sir, I kind of want to
survive. Can you help me outhere a hand? Please? I just

(37:35):
like, literally, wow, isn'tthat wild? Okay? Yeah, so
this video it's on YouTube. I'vewatched it. It's very easy to watch.
But he does survive kind of obviously, so yeah, it's maybe easier
to watch. I will post thaton our Facebook media if you are interested.
And yeah, crazy, like Iam, I'm gonna watch that.
It's crazy. It's crazy. Okay. So the di Bernico grabs his hand.

(38:00):
He's freaking out when the hand squeezesback and yanks on him. Everyone
is shook and doesn't know what todo. Harrison drags them back to his
air pocket. Oh, he's likethis, welcome to my this is my
air pocket. Okay. So everyone'strying to rattle their heads together. They're

(38:22):
able to give him some oxygen tobreathe and some water to drink. Oh
good, Okay, yes, Ican't imagine the thirst after just accidentally getting
the water in your mouth. Yeah. So everyone's trying to gather their thoughts
and think of a game plan becausethey were not expecting this guy. Yeah,
because you have to get back upto the surface, you'd have to

(38:44):
have like extra gear, right,or I guess maybe you could share your
little air thing. I don't know. Well, I'm telling you, girl,
okay, I'm just trying to likelogistically figure this out. You are,
you are kind of figuring it out. Okay. So, oh so
I think they were able to givehim like oxygen through a tank, but
I I also believe they were ableto pump oxygen into the actual air pocket

(39:04):
because they have to stay in there, and so they're they're pumping now oxygen
in there. So okay, becauseyou know, yeah, they can't move
quite yet, they need to figureout what to do. This also kind
of reminds me of that tie Caverescued. Do you remember that the kids
they're trapped in that air pocket inthe cave. You I hate that,
you know, and they had tolike try and figure out how to get
up something out of so they hadto like drug them because they had to

(39:25):
go through like underwater tunnel or somethinginsane. That whole story is insane.
Yeah, I'd be like, putme out, I don't want to see
this at all and die. Idie. I've always like considered doing that
as an episode, but it wouldprobably be really long and that's a big
one. Okay. So Harrison andthe divers had to wait there until further

(39:47):
notice, until the crew above waterfigured out what to do, and they
literally had to call up like otherscientists about this specific situation because they wanted
to assure his rest. You,Harrison couldn't just be put into like a
scuba suit and then slowly be guidedto the surface due to how long his

(40:08):
body was under that amount of pressure. His body needed way more time to
adjust because the bends. Yes,that's what people call it. Yeah,
Michaels share that fun fact about didyour grandpa like invent the not invent it,
but did he do something with thatchamber? I think he helped build

(40:29):
one in Hawaii whoa, where hewas a diver whoa, and a bunch
of people got sick. His grandpawas like a deep sea diver. He
had like the giant metal helmet.Whoa, Yeah, he was an old
timey diver. Why am I justnot finding out? I don't know,
have I not mentioned it before?He was a master divers? Oh?

(40:51):
I mean that's crazy because that's likeone of my fears. Like I don't
think I'll ever scuba dive, Likelike, that's such such take such a
special person to do that. Deepsea for sure, deeps even worse,
even worse. Wow, I don'teven want to snark on. Yeah,
his mom's told me stories about that, Like that is cool. Compression chamber

(41:13):
or whatever it's called. It's verycool. Wow, claim to fame over
here? What a connection? Okay, that's cool, cool stuff. Okay,
where am I? Yes, So, due to the pressure, his
body needed time to adjust. Dueto the high pressure, Harrison's nitrogen levels

(41:34):
were very high. So you probablyalready know this because I was like giving
an example, like a deep seadiver can experience what's called nitrogen narcosis.
I didn't know the term, likethe professional term for yeah, I think
that's how you pronounce it. Itmeans at around eighty feet in depth and
water, the blood becomes saturated withnitrogen, and the diver can become very
dazed and confused. This is usuallywhy uh, deep sea divers also come

(42:00):
up pretty slowly to the surface becausethey have to just give their body time
to get rid of the nitrogen.Yeah, because I think I can kill
you. It literally can kill youif you go too fast, right,
terrifying, which is so gross.You're like, you're because your instinct is
get me up as yes as Ipossibly can. No, you have to
like la la la your way up, get la la la, just mosey

(42:23):
on up. Yes. So ifHarrison were to do that at this point,
he would legit die And so thisis how he had to be rescued.
They had to stand down what iscalled a diving bell or a transfer
capsule capsule capsule, so they hadto also secure an oxygen helmet on Harrison,

(42:50):
and the divers then had to guidehim out of the ship into the
open ocean and then get him insideto the diving bell. Oh well off
sharks, yeah and crawfish apparently.Yeah, they had to crawl into the
diving bell. And it's also stilla very small amount of space to be
on, so if he's claustrophobic,you're not getting relief from that yet.

(43:14):
Yeah, Oh my god, maybehe's that fear has he's just overwhelmed,
like I don't know, I meanhe's being rescued. Also, like think
of the relief and also like justso many emotions too. Yeah, this
is actually the moment where he passesout, which I don't blame him because
I don't know if he slept atall. Oh oh my god, or
if it was the pressure or justthe relief or just like what an ordeal.

(43:37):
I mean, can you imagine livingwith that kind of tension and stress
for that long and then the relief. Yeah, I would just pass out.
Yeah. So this bell was ableto keep the same amount of air
pressure that was at the bottom ofthe ocean one hundred feet down. Uh,
and then they were able to sendthat back up to land. But

(43:59):
then Harrison had to be placed ina decompression chamber for an additional three days.
Oh my god, you're under theocean for three days and then you
have to be in a decompression chamberfor three days. You can't just go
home or it's not just a day, right, it's three days. That's
so long. That's so long.It sucks. It just sucks. Yeah,

(44:21):
he's probably just thankful to be aliveat that point. But yeah,
you have three days to just thinkabout everything that you just went through.
Oh, nothing else to distract it, to distract, and you're probably still
in paint like his you know,wounds in his mouth. Yeah, how
do you eat? I don't know, Like do they just throw snacks in
there? I don't know how thatworks. Just give me a straw because

(44:44):
it's poor mouth. How would youeat that? Poor guy? What an
ordeal? Yeah, okay, SoEric Hextall, who's a nurse and clitical
director of Diving Medicine, later estimatedthat with roughly the same size like amount
of space that the air pocket itwas, carbon dioxide poisoning would start at
around fifty six hours and then youwould probably lose consciousness at seventy nine hours.

(45:09):
In there, Harrison was rescued atsixty hours, so right in the
middle. He could have experienced somepoisoning, but not a lethal amount,
right. And I think also likethis baffle scientist too, in a lot
of ways. I think they saidbecause of the cold water, maybe that
absorbed some of the carbon dioxide.So maybe that's why he also lasted longer

(45:32):
or didn't feel too much of thepoisoning. Maybe it really defies logic,
but yeah, he's right in thatsweet spot. So he got real lucky.
Was so lucky, I mean luckysubjective but right, very true.
One year later, Harrison defies deathagain. He is driving his truck to

(45:53):
work with a friend one day andthe car ends up going another nightmare off
of the bridge and into the water. No, also another huge fear of
mine. It's like final destination.They're like, we will claim you,
and we will try to keep killinghim. Can be the water, no
matter what you do. Right,So, not only does he escape the

(46:15):
car underwater, I believe he alsohas to help his friend who's trapped in
it, and luckily they both survivedwith minor injuries. This guy, right,
is he a cat? He's likescratched off like three lives at this
point, I think that's insane,so wild. So a year after that,
so two years since the rescue,it's twenty fifteen, Harrison actually finds

(46:39):
himself not doing so well. He'sdepressed. He and his wife separated.
He has new kids at this point, and his job as a cook is
very frustrating and unfulfilling for him.He knew he needed to make a drastic
change. So just go back tobeing a cook after all that, you
just go back, like, goback to your normal life, work forty

(47:00):
hours a week because you have to, Like, like, I feel like
I should get a pass for therest of my life. Someone else pay
for my life, because that wasterrible. I think they also were like,
you need to go to the hospitalafter you're able to get out of
this decompression chamber. And he's like, no, I'm going home. Oh
thank you. Wow, Like Iwill deal with my destroyed mouth on my
own, right. Wow. So, after surviving both of these traumatic events,

(47:24):
which happened to be both in water, like you said, he knows
exactly what he's meant to do ifit's in the water. Is it in
the water, Harrison? HARRISONA.He decides to roll him and roll himself
in a three month long diving course. Okay, okay, He's like,

(47:45):
clearly the water has tried twice tokill me and a cant so yeah.
So yeah. So Harrison never letthe fear of the ocean overpower him.
He wanted to conquer it, andhe became a legit professional scuba diver.
Holy, he's off. This isgreat. He's working for the same diving
company that rescued him. Wow,full circle. That's that's incredible. Right,

(48:09):
that's incredible. It's so cool.It's such ap like not a happy
wall. It is a happy ending, but away. Yeah, Like I
feel like I would be the opposite. I know, you would never be
in the water again. Right,he's taking it completely the opposite direction of
that. Wow, he's a murrman, he is. Harrison is now thirty
nine. He continues to work asa diver, installing, constructing, and

(48:31):
marking repairs for oil rigs and gasfacilities. He hopes one day he too,
can also rescue somebody. He isnow also remarried with three kids.
He currently lives on a house ona lake. Can you imagine. Wow,
But someday he hopes to have oneby the ocean. Okay, wow,

(48:53):
that I mean it's kind it's abeautiful ending. Yeah, to such
a horrible, horrific And he didsave someone. He saved his friend,
well he did, car Oh,you gotta give your some more credit,
Harrison. Harrison. Anyways, markthat for yourself. That is the incredible
story. Of Harrison. I'm wow, way to like kick off the show

(49:14):
with the fucking bank. Thank you. That's what I was aiming for.
I just had hard time breathing througha lot of that. That's like you,
I feel like yours is planes mine? Is this? Like shit?

(49:34):
Oh no, this is mine too. Like I don't like diving stories or
like cave story. Somebody don't dothat, no, fucking thank you.
I I can't handle people being stuckin confined spaces. When you watch those
videos where they're like cave, whatis it? Is it splunking the whatever?
Y? Yeah, when they're justgoing through these really really tight and
they're just like contorting their bodies tofit, and like, what are you

(49:58):
doing? What ration human mind says? That's fun, let's do it.
This seems like a great time.Absolutely not. Oh let's add that it's
underwater. Great, it sounds awesome. I just I can't. Yeah,
people are idiots, just adrenaline junkies. I guess. I guess not worth
it though. No, people die, We die, and then people die

(50:20):
trying to rescue those people. That'sso true. Yeah, it's bad,
but you know, do what youwant, live your life. I guess
we're not judging you, but weare just because I could never but wow,
good job that was thank you storytelling, and your reading was great.
Thank you, thank you. We'reback at it. And if that was

(50:42):
like if it came to your turningclass and you read, it'd be like,
wow, she's a good reader.Thank you, thank you. Okay,
so how do we get how dowe do this now? Okay,
well, at this point we usedto do city of the week, so
we should probably do that. It'sokay, yes, let's do that.

(51:06):
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(51:34):
we appreciate the love and the attention, and we hope you continue listening.
Mm hmmmm. So what are welike doing in our personal lives? What
are we seeing? What are welistening to? What are we doing?
What are we watching? Okay,I wrote down that I recently watched a
documentary. It was on Netflix,and it was called Unknown Cosmic Time Machine.

(51:58):
I still need to watch this.It's an excellent title and also an
excellent documentary. It's about the JamesWeb Telescope. It feels like telescope is
the wrong word because it's like spacetelescope. Yeah, it's just space telescope
flying around taking amazing, amazing soclear pictures, sharp images of like deep
space and like stuff pretty I havenot seen, or if we have seen,

(52:22):
it was a very low quality imageand now it's just like, I
mean, you get to see theypost them regularly like these I do.
I think follow them on Facebook orsomething. I see like, yeah,
I see some of those type ofphotos. Yeah, so good. But
the way they explain it is justlike so mind trippy of like the evolution
of it is insane. Yeah,but like the way they explain like these

(52:44):
pictures are like you're looking into thepast because of yeah, the light traveling,
how the light travels, right,so like if we can get deep
enough, we could possibly see theBig Bang, But it's getting what how
is that? Even pos I don'tknow. I'm like, yikes, do
we even want to see it?I don't know. But just the fact

(53:06):
that we could possibly see that isdisgusting and makes me feel like I'm having
an existential crisis. But it's areally good documentary. It's all about like
how they made it, like everythingthat had to go right for this to
be launched. It's like so coolthough, like sometimes humans can make crazy
cool things and it took decades likewild, Yeah, and the fact that

(53:28):
we're living in a time where weget to see that is like the craziest
privilege. And it's just like,honestly, we take it for granted.
I don't think I think a lotof people don't understand, Like it's so
cool that you can see the tiniestcraters of Pluto, Like that's insane,
and that it's red and blue andnot just white, like you see all
the different colors, yeah, orlike all the swirls of like the gaseous
planets. It's just beautiful and mindsetting. And I'm in love with space

(53:51):
and I'm also equally terrified of this. It makes you feel really small,
yeah, and that nothing matters.Yeah, They're like, see this,
that's that's one like universe, right, Like there's like millions of those have
fun imagining that. I'm just likeI can't like my tiny human brain literally
can't do it. That sounds likea fun watch. Yeah, it is
for your brain. Don't brain letdon't be in a weird mood. I

(54:14):
guess if you watch it, becauseit can make you feel a certain type
of way. But it is verywell done, s very good if you
want to start out on space.I gotta remember this. I really want
to watch it. Yeah, andI think it was a twenty twenty three,
so it's fairly new. Yeah.Yeah, but yeah, also joyed
it. Great recommendation. Do youhave any well, speaking of time travel?
Yeah, I finally got into theLoki series. Yay. I know

(54:38):
it's kind of nerdy and silly.Michael loves it, but I knew I
would love it too, because I'vealways loved Loki in all of the Marvel
movies and like Tom Hidlson's so pretty, So I was like, why am
I watching this? Have you heardseen that video where he just talks about
math? Because his voice is sogood that he could just narrate, And
I think I was like, that'sright, You're right, you could just

(54:58):
talk about anything him. Yeah,he's a crush of mine. It's a
great show. I love it.I think he's funny. So I'm still
I'm just about to finish it.But I've been loving that series. That's
been a good series for me.I watched I think the first episode.
I need some time away from Marvel. I get it. I'm like burned
out on Marvel because I did trywatching it. I'm just like, I

(55:19):
can't get into it. It's theonly one I've gotten into. I'm not
into like WandaVision or any other Idid really like Wanda Vision. I didn't
watch any of those. It's justthe low key, yeah lucky one.
I definitely watched the first season.It's just like, I'm having trouble getting
back into it. But Michael watchedit and he really really liked it,
so I know it's good. Ijust need to give it a chance.
Sush. Yeah, that's that's that'sit. That's us what if we what

(55:45):
have we also do at VI that? Okay? We we have also fulfilled
one of our dreams and a longtime We actually had this plan years ago
the beginning of this podcast. Ithink it's been a long time coming,
literally years in the making. Yes, and we finally did it last weekend
or Yeah, it was a photoshoot with our friend and Jesse, who

(56:07):
we talked about a lot. She'sa very talented photographer, full time photography
now, which is ballsy and Ilove it. Quit her day job.
She's like, legit, she's likedoing her dream. Yeah, it's great.
So yeah, we asked for aphoto shoot even though she's super pregnant
and busy and tired. She's like, oh my gosh, I have no
energy, and I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, only so sorry.
Could you do something for can youdo your work now? Yeah? We

(56:28):
did a photo shoot and it waslike an awkward one, kind of like
Steve Jobs vibes. Yeah, solike years ago, I bought three turtlenecks,
three round glasses, and I thinkwe also bought a black backdrop.
I don't know what happened. Wedidn't end up felling to a black hole.
It's gone, yeah, because it'sbeen that many years. But I
was like, we have to dothis really awkward photo shoot. We have

(56:51):
to do a Steve Jobs photo shoot. And it was like a vision and
then it just never happened, andwe finally were like, you know what,
we're relaunching, Like, let's dothis. I still have all these
they're dusty, but they're here.And we donned our black turtlenecks and our
glasses and we did a photo shoot, a bird friends photo shoot. We
will be posting these soon. Keepan eye out for them. They're so

(57:13):
fun. It was such a funlike hour of time to do it.
They were just laughing the whole time. We also have some video we'll post
because Jesse's really smart. She's like, you need to be filming this process,
and we're like, oh, you'reso smart. She's our social media
manager. We've decided of just likeus trying to make these serious faces.
Yeah, like we'll laugh and thenall of a sudden we'll be like breathing

(57:34):
like dead face dead face, becauselike we're trying to be like so stone
cold dead face, but like it'sso hard not to laugh when it's just
so awkward. Yeah, it's beautiful. I love it. Be on the
lookout for those. We're gonna postthose soon and they'll be fun. Yeah.
That's that's what's up. All right, should we end it? Let's
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