Episode 105: Moisture Abounds (1962 Escape From Alcatraz)

In this week's episode, Shawna tackles the thrilling and mysterious case of three prisoners who escaped from the notorious Alcatraz prison. Tune in as we delve into the meticulous planning and execution of the prisoner's escape plan, as well as the theories surrounding what happened to the men after their great escape.

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Episode Transcript

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Whoa. Oh yeah, look atthis weird stacked Wow, that's a tense
Wait, I don't I want tosee your point of view monitors. He
I feel like he looks like oneof those. He's a hacker of the
movie Hacker. Yeah, you looklike you're in a dark hacking world in

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the dark web. Just walla wallmonitors they all have. They're running like
marine code. Yeah, you're theMatrix. Hi, Hey, gouds.

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Welcome, Welcome. I'm Abby andI'm Shauna and this is anxious and afraid.
Hmm it is. It's the podcast. We're back. We're back,
and apparently we're the Matrix. Nowyep, we are joined by Neo not
Nero, like I said on accident. Yeah, I got a really high
tech setup. Now it's like alarge pole with monitors. Yeah, curved,

(01:07):
fancy monitors. You could dance onthat pole. I was gonna say,
I was already going stripper vibes.Yeah, but for computers stupid.
Yeah, Hello, welcome to thisWelcome. We had to do a little
delay because guess what I had Mychild turned too. I have a two

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year old toddler. The terrible two'sare happening. They are upon us.
I'm not sure they're so terrible,but I mean, definitely one hundred percent.
Toddler, you just fucked yourself.I shouldn't have said that. I
jinxed it. It's gonna be hellfrom here. She's definitely a handful.
Yep. Ye. But the partywas great. We had a fun time.
It wasn't so fun. There wasa bunch of kids, they all

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pretty were having a good time.Yeah, it's always nice to see everyone
come together for a little bit.Yeah, so that's what we did.
May or may not have gotten sick, but oh yeah, it was probably
from that, wasn't it. Itprobably? You know, I was.
I was thinking one of these kidsparties is going to take us down.
For sure. There's just no wayaround it. Somebody is gonna go down.

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I honestly, no one got sickthat I know of after Theo's party,
and I was like, well,that was some kind of a miracle
because we are right in the middleof flu season and kids are gross.
Yeah. Yeah, And then Icame in hot a month later and I
was like, you know what,we're doing this again. Yeah, we're
just gonna roll the dice. We'regoing to keep doing it for the rest
of our lives. It's going tobe that way. Honestly, our lives
are kids' birthday parties. Now,yeah, it is like heavy for socializing

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for me, like it's at thekids parties. But you know for sure
that's fine, so that I guessthat's what made me kind of anxious.
We just everyone got sick after thatthis week. But that makes sense.
I mean could have been worse.It wasn't like deathly ill or anything good.
And THEO didn't get sick. Buthe is teething again. I swear
he only grow on those teeth.He gets two teeth at a time.

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It ever goes. He's not aone and done kid. He's just like
every time it will be too atthe exact same time. But I don't
know if that's better or worse.But I mean, is it. I
mean, it's all sucky and painful. It's double the misery. But then
it's not like when you maybe getover it half the time. Yeah,
then you're not in it as long. I don't know, But what made
you anxious or afraid this week?Abigail, Oh, formal, I know

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I can't do that with you.I'm like shaw naah, Yeah, I'm
not a formal Seana Marie. Yeah, you gotta do the full name then
you go. But yeah, Ihad the craziest week of my life.
Actually wasn't expecting that. I mean, I don't know how much to talk
about. But I think I'm buyinga house. So that's really I think

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you did buy a house. Ithink I actually already did. I think
you legally signed documents. My brainis still catching up and I'm just not
comprehending what's happening. I mean fairbecause it was within a very short amount
of time. But we ever onewas like, wait, what's happening?
Stupid short amount of time, andI am fully aware of how crazy it

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is. But we're but here weare, and it's it's a beautiful house
too. I mean, it's gonnabe great. I'm gonna think all the
positive things. I'm very excited.Yeah, I mean it's a huge deal.
It's your first house. It's abig moment, that's for sure.
I never thought it was possible,honestly, never, ever, ever,
ever thought it was possible. Andthen all of a sudden, like a
couple of weeks ago, it waspossible. And so then we were like

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Okay, what does it look like? And then we did and then we
have around the house, and thenwe did the papers, and I'm like,
what it keeps going? What's happening? I feel like it's just that
doesn't usually happen for people, Likethey have to look for months and months
and months before they find anything thatworks. Yeah, it's been too smooth
of a process. I was like, this is not how people talk about

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it's like usually they're so I mean, don't get me wrong, we just
started and it is stressful and overwhelming, but yeah, I mean it was
just a fast, fined so wewent for it, and here we are.
It's crazy, yes, but veryexciting. We're excited, thank you.

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And then you're also gonna go toMexico. So you're just insane.
Okay, it's not even the endof February yet, and I've had a
fucking year. Okay, like I'mspent. Yeah. Yeah, we're going
to Mexico in a couple of weeks. And one we're flying with a toddler.
That's scary, that's terrifying. I'mgonna confront my fear of being on

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a plane. After all these plannedstories we've talked about but hopefully we're gonna
be fine once we get there,and it's gonna be a great trip.
Yes it is. You're gonna havefun, You're gonna have drinks, You're
gonna have a beach and the ocean. Trying to take this good because I've
had a lot of bad recently andI'm just like, Okay, I'm just
gonna live. Maybe the horse hasjust thrown you, a bone has thrown

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me, like for a roller coasterrun like multiple loops, I am about
to throw up, which would befair because that is a lot. It's
a lot. Yeah, but I'mexcited for you. Guys. Think I
am gonna just live at your housebecause it looks like honestly, I want
everyone to live at that house.Yeah, it's gonna be so cool.

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And you have like a yard andyeah, it's just gonna be so different.
I mean, we are outgrowing ourspace the very quickly. Ryland is
growing and so yeah, she'll haveher own room. She's gonna have her
own room. She's gonna have herown like little private yard. I always
think of her. I'm just like, oh, you're gonna like grow up
here. Yeah I'll be good,Yeah, be good. Anyway, I

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don't think I have anything else totalk about. Yeah, that was a
lot already. Oh, we weregonna say that we are because Shauna is
leaving for Mexico. We're gonna doanother recording next weekend. So I think
it'll be like two episodes two weeksin a row, as opposed to every
other week this yek. Yeah,the goal is to be every other week,
but at least we're still getting twoepisodes out of a month. They're

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just coming out in a weird order. Yeah, one after the other a
little bit. Yeah, things arestill a little wonky, but we'll get
the hang of it. Yeah,we will. There's just been a lot
going on. Maybe we won't becauseI'm about to move, but we will.
I know, God, what amess we are. Okay, anyway,

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do you want to go, I'llstart. Yeah, I got a
story for you. Okay. Iam excited for this one. I liked
that you did, like you wentback to the Titanic with your episode and
it was like a big name andI was like, you know, and
I want to do another big nameepisode. And sometimes what I like to
do is I'll just like watch myshows or whatever, and if something pops

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up on the TV casually I'll belike, hmm, maybe that can turn
into an episode. Sure, Andthat happened because I was finishing the second
season of Loki as I've been kindof mentioning here, which you didn't watch,
right, No good, Michael,don't give it away if you figure
out the clues I'm about to giveso what what? Michael though, Okay,

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he's watched low Ki Okay, anyways, kind of Okay, I'm building
it up. Let me do it, build, build a way, Bob
Okay. So I was watching thatand they referenced this historical moment in time
that I was like, huh,I do remember casually writing that on my
post it note like a few monthsago. Maybe this is my sign to

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do it? And so I doit. I'm doing it, and here
we are, okay, and soI think it'll be fun. It is
also known as the Rock, andsadly we're not talking about Duayne the Rock
John Okay, that would be aweird episode. I wish we were,
because who doesn't love him? Right? But this place is also referenced as

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the Rock, the Rock, doyou have any guesses one singular rock?
I was like, yeah, MichaelDiino, did you figure it out?
He's using his other monitor to googlethings right now, Matrix seeing you that
Matrix agains we speak the rock.Really, no, it's not coming to

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you. I mean, is itlike supposed to be paranormal. I'm trying
to figure out what I mean thegenre we're looking at once I tell you,
I'm not gonna tell you the directionI'm gonna go with it quite yet.
But okay, because I was likeimmediately, I was like, what
like Stonehenge or but that's multiple rocks. That is multiple rocks. Okay,
I don't I don't know yet.Alcatraz oh okay, okay, I have

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okay now that you say that that'sringing a bell as the rock ooh okay,
Oh my god. That's a bigone, right, it is.
And it's like hunted and all kindsof history. So I'm gonna kind of
focus on one particular story of Alcatraz. We can definitely do second episode,

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you can do an episode. There'sI'm lots of Alcatraz stories m hm.
And well, because like I mean, if you're going for the prison side
of it, like I mean,or like after for the ghost part of
it, it's like content all overthe place. Content. I'm giving you
a portion of this content. Okay, Okay. So Alcatraz is a tiny

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rock island one point two five milesor two point oh one kilometers off the
shore of San Francisco, California,which I have been. I have seen
Alcatraz from a distance, but wenever did go on the tour, and
I really would love to go onthe I want to go to. I
think we can actually make this happenone day for us. I mean,
yeah, it's just a state awaythat it's on our side. It's on

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the west coast, So what's doable? Hold on, my computer, won't
move. H I've been having technicalproblems lately. Okay, we're back in

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biz, Michael. The matrix helpedme nero to neoo do the rescue.
Okay, so yeah, let mejust continue on with this bullet Okay.
The very first record of the islandwas made in or seventeen seventy five and

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was named Ila Delos Alcatraces Alcatraces beautifulSpanish. I'm sorry everyone, but that
translates to the island of the Pelicans. Over the years, people would shorten
it. It's a little difficult tosay that obviously, as I demonstrated,

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But that's kind of how it turnedinto the word it is today, and
we just call it Alcatraz. Okay, that's kind of how it came to
be named. The island was firstdeveloped in the mid nineteenth century when they
built the very first lighthouse on theWest coast on it. Oh, I
didn't know that. I didn't knowthat either. Yeah, I love a

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lighthouse. It's the oldest one onthe West coast. Is it still there?
Yeah? Oh wow. Yeah.Then it became home to a military
fort and military prison not as fun, okay, not as cute and wah.
Then in nineteen thirty four it wasconverted into a federally owned prison,

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formerly known as Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary.Even more fun, so much fun.
God. This is when Alcatraz startedto become one of the most notorious prisons
in US history. Probably not foranything good. It's not like it's pretty
over there. No, it's likea barren rock, right, there's not

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a lot going on. It justall rock and concrete. Yeah. Its
bad news. Yes, okay,so this prison, this is where the
worst of the worst was sent to. Okay, so Some of the most
famous inmates Alcatraz had includes al Caponeokay, I knew that one, George
machine Gun, Kelly and Whitey Bulgeryikes, and there is more, but

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yeah, that's it's they ain't playinggames. There a bunch of mob dudes.
And it's kind of similar to theTitanic being known as unsinkable. Alcatraz
was kind of known for being inescapable. Besides the prison itself, it's also
surrounded by cold, choppy water,dense fog, and it is the ocean

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after all, so there are occasionalsharks that might be hunting for prey around
the bay. Yeah, not agood. That part of San Francisco,
like it's Chili and that bay islike known for being choppy, yeah,
and really foggy, so foggy likethat. It's not a that's a very

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dark, scary, dangerous area.When I did the uh the Ghost Blimp,
it was in that same area andthey talked about the fog and everything.
The fog gets crazy there. Yeah, that's where the blimp. I
mean they think that the guys fellinto the ocean there, so oh yeah,
yeah, that makes sense. CrazyOkay. So during its years in

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operation, there was a total ofthirty six prisoners who made fourteen attempt attempted
escapes. Twenty three were caught alive, six were shot and killed, two
definitely drowned, and five went missingand or have been presumed dead by drowning.
Yikes. We are here to discussthree of those five men, oh,

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because in their case they could havepossibly escaped successfully and in one of
America's biggest mysteries to this day.I think I've heard of this story for
sure, Oh for sure. Yeah, I mean it's gonna be good.
It's the nineteen sixty two Great Escapeof Alcatraz. There's probably movies about it.

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Oh, yes, I didn't watchany, but there's got to be.
There's definitely a lot of documentaries insome movies and stuff. So here
we go. Okay, So it'sFrank Morris and brothers John and Clarence Anglin.
They are the three scoundrels that pulledoff one of the most clever and
intricate escapes of all time. Yeah, like so clever. I didn't realize

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it was two brothers. Yes,they're related, and Clarence is the hot
one in my opinion. Okay,not John's Clarence. Sorry, John,
Okay, So a little backstory onthese guys. Frank Morris went to prison
being convicted of drug position, armrobbery, kr theff, and bank robbery.

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Once in prison, he also mademultiple attempts to escape, and he
actually did one time. He wasthen caught a year later doing another burglary.
Wait, he escaped alcatraz Or.He's no, no, no,
no, okay, just like hisprison in like one of the states.
Okay, but he did successfully escapea prison once. Day. I feel
like it was a little easier thoughback in the day. Oh probably,

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but still, I mean still ittakes guts and smarts and then just right
back at it, like right rightback at it. He's like, what
else am I gonna do? Soit was just a year of that and
once they caught him again, thenthey're like, yeah, you're going to
alcatrall ooh and he was sent thereJanuary of nineteen sixty. It seems kind
of harsh for the crimes. It'snot like he murdered anyone, but I

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guess he's a flight risk. Soyeah, know where he can't escape?
Well, they thought, oh yeah, system isn't great. No, it
makes sense, Yes, Okay,so yeah, because the I remember like
thinking some of their sentences was likereally not like murder gets less than that.
Like you're like, oh, thatguy murdered someone and got out after

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like less than a decade, butif you sold marijuana you could be in
for life. It's just like ridiculous, ridiculous. John and Clarence England were
only a year apart, so theybecame very close brothers. They were actually
like there was fourteen kids. Theyhave twelve childlings. Jesus was a lot.

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And as teenagers, they began committingcrimes together, the little team,
all duo brotherly bonding. They wouldalso commit crimes of bank robbery and burglary,
but they would normally burglarize like businessestablishments, okay, and they always
made sure to never commit crimes armed. They never wanted to carry weapon.
Interesting, so they were like kindof conciderate, you know, the most

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considerate burglars you've ever heard of.And one of them's hot, so one
of them's They both got themselves intoprison, and while inside they also both
made multiple attempts to escape said andso they too were eventually sent to alcatraz.
I believe it was John that wassent first in nineteen sixty and Clarence
followed in nineteen sixty one. Doyou think they were excited? Like yeah,

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they're like, hey, buddy,reunited and it feels so good to
be doing crimes again in prison.Wow. It's actually funny you mentioned that
because like not only like because thebrothers like, hello, reunited, but
the brothers recognized Morris from other stintsin prison in states of like Georgia and

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Florida. It's like a little reunion. It was. They were like,
hey, man, I recognize youneed did time of Florida together? You
want to blow this joy? Didit? So they're like, hey,
man, were friends, and sothey actually ended up requesting that they all
get adjoining cells together because they wantedto be close. I mean, it's
kind of funny that they're like firsta lot like allowed to go to prison

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together as brothers, and then they'reallowed to like request rooms like it's a
dormitory or something. Right. Yes, there's like little funny tidbits about Acacazm.
I'm like really the scariest person onearth. Like you'll hear more,
Okay, like bestie's got together.Yeah, So I was really surprised that,
like they were able to do that. Yeah, so now they're all
together hanging out in prison, probablybuilding like blanket forts in there. Frank

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Morris was known for being really smart. He was actually tested for his IQ
and he was scored at one hundredand thirty three. Wow, which I
believe is really high. I mean, I mean it's impressive. Does it
go up to two hundred? Idon't remember what, Michael use your double
monitor. One hundred and thirty threeis the top two percent of the general

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pot? Wow? Shit, yes, good fact that I did not remember
to put in my thing. Soyes, so it means very impressive.
He's a smarty Wait then how highdoes IQ? Definitely not two hundred and
that was a stupid guess. Mustbe like i Q must be low.
Yeah, it's like four. Ibet it's what do you think? One

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thirty five? What do you think? It goes up to five forty five?
Score sixty one? Okay, waitwhat did you say? Bennis says
the highest IQ ever recorded is totwenty eight. I'm confused. You know,
maybe in this case bing is notthe most reliable like it was.

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God he was the one to twentyeight who knows interesting anyways, but he
was very smart, smart of pants. Yes, so he was most likely
like the whole brains of this operation, and the brothers would help execute it.
Yeah, Clarence was the looks sure, what was the other one?

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John? John? So John wasjust the builder. He's like the muscle.
He's the muscle, He's sure.The other one's like the computer hacker
guy that's always behind the monitor,right, Yeah, matrixing it up.
Definitely, it's Michael. Yeah,yeah, that means dear Clarence, and
I'm the muzzle. Okay. Sothey would take at least six months to

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complete their plan, and this iswhat we know about it. Alcatraz was
very expensive to upkeep. The buildingwas already falling apart at that time,
and it was working in their favorbecause the first thing that they had to
do was create a whole to escapeout of their cells, and the walls

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were crumbling and kind of getting soft, so it was kind of easier to
Yeah, I like constantly in moisturein the middle exactly exactly, and it
was it's just too expensive to keepit up. And I get it because
all that fog and yeah, moisturesbound oistress bound. Okay, so the

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first thing, uh yeah, theyhad to do was escape the cells,
and they did that by drilling smallholes around the metal grate under their sinks.
How you may be asking yourself,did they obtain a drill? I
was wondering, Well, they madeone, oh, oh, okay,
by taking the motor out of abroken vacuum cleaner and somehow attached metal spoons

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to it. But then you mightbe asking yourself, but what about the
sound of drilling? How did theyget away with that? Well, this
is one of the funny tidbits Iwas alluding to Alcatraz. Being Alcatraz,
you wouldn't think that they would considermusic to be so important. You're right,
I wouldn't write. But they hada music hour. Oh I'm not

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sure if it was every day orevery week. I never got that far
into knowing it, but they definitelyprioritized a music hour like live music or
like I think they would play music. I think a lot of inmates would
play instruments like guitars and stuff likethat. So you know, it was
the hour you can make noise andsing and dance cute. I love that

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for them. Yeah, they deserveit. You know what, you need
a little time to let loose.Everyone needs to dance, Okay, So
obviously that's during that one hour oftime they would drill holes and as many
holes as they can okay, andthey probably did that for so long until
they were done. Gotcha. Ohthat means a miss music hour, so

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I'm sure they were still those okay. Uh. Once they were able to
kick out the grill, they hadto or they had access to a three
foot or nearly one meter wide corridorthat was unguarded. They would grab any
large items or to cover the drilledout area under the sink, or use

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cardboard. They would then walk downthe small corridor and climb up the pipes
about twenty feet up or sticks toreach the roof of cell Block B climb
the pipes. Yeah, so theywere still inside the prison building. But
then they found this small hidden areathat was on top of their cell block

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that was unguarded and kind of private. So they made that little spot their
workshop area, little craft room.Over time, they would gather stolen and
dolen having a hard time with whereit's today, stolen and donated materials.
One really helpful donation was a bunchof raincoats that were given to the prison

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from the US Army, which isI think it's funny it's from the us
R. That is hilarious is thatthey contributed to this. You would think
that somebody would notice of on juststuff like that going missing, Like I
think a lot of other inmates wereinvolved, and you know, if they're
sneaky, the Yeah, that's interesting, like how they kept a lid on

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it with so many people I don'tknow knowing little bits about it like that
they didn't get ratted out. That'scrazy. Sure, Okay, So the
men were able to collect over fiftyrain coats wow, which was the only
waterproof material around. So without thatdonation, this escape wouldn't have happened.

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Yeah, because what they had tobuild a boat? I'm guessing yes,
Okay. So they would take thosecoats and they would stitch them together and
they made themselves not only like lifefests, but then the huge large raft
that they were all going to sitin. Shoot, that's so indead.
These guys not only stitched it,but they vulcanized the coats together with the

(25:45):
hot pipes and steam to secure theseal. Wow. Smart. Yeah,
they're like Martha's Stewart prison style.Oh wait, she also went to prison.
They're just regular Martha Stewart. Butman, I mean I'm impressed.
That is very impressive, very likewow, just kind of jack of all

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trades type dudes. Yes, Sothese guys aren't playing games. They are
clever as hell and they're artsy asfuck. They Yeah, gold stars,
gold stars to them. Okay,So before I kind of go into the
actual night of the escape, Ifigured this might be a good break time.

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Okay, yeah, let's do it. Okay. So the night is
June eleventh, nineteen sixty two.Okay, it's finally time to escape.
So there was actually a fourth guyinvolved this entire time, and his name

(26:52):
was Alan West. He absolutely helpedexecute their plan, but the night before
the planned escape, he thought itwould be smart to use wet concrete to
keep the metal grill in place,okay, which then dried overnight and he
literally accidentally fixed what he was drilling. I'm trying to remember. I'm trying

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to think of like what you know, in like the stereotypical like bank heist
movie where there's always the entourage,or like the team they put together.
Trying to think of which one hewould be maybe the charisma guy. He's
not really that smart. He's notthat smart if he did that, and
so he's the guy that gets leftbehind. So where were the other three

(27:41):
guys? Like did they make theirown holes? I'm confused? So they
Yeah, so they were all ableto drill holes and the other three men
didn't use wet concrete to like keepit up like literally the night before,
Like what were you doing the entiretime before that? Like why the night
before? Right? I think maybehe was the last one to be able

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to drill holes. I think theyhad to take turns. I'm not sure.
He's like, I'm new to this. I don't know. They were
like the last one. And sohe was like, oh no, I
accidentally fixed it and I can't getout. And they're like, okay,
well maybe that's just like kind ofchickened out at the end. And he's
like, oh no, I don'tknow, Oh no, I can't get
it out. It's a stupid ifif he wasn't planning that on, yikes,

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yikes, like cow embarras for you, so barts for you? Right,
So, yes, all three guyswere left behind and realized that he
was now stuck in a cell.So they're like, sorry, we're continuing
to plan here. Yeah, becauselike concrete did what concrete does, that's
its whole job. Exactly what didyou think it wasn't gonna dry? Very

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confused. So Morris and the Englandbrothers climb up the pipes and gather up
their raft and life jackets. Thenthey had to climb an additional thirty feet
or nine meters up the pipes toreach the outside roof of the How do
they climb up a butto I don'tknow, but that's like heavy raincoat.
Yeah, and they're dragging this boatthing like wow, they reached a vent

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where they were able to pry openand so that's how they reached the roof.
Okay, once on the roof,they descended down fifty feet or nearly
fifteen meters on a kitchen vent pipeall the way down to the ground.
Did you say what time they weredoing this? Is it night? Nighttime?
It's night? Okay? Yes,I think they did like the last

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head count for the night, andthen they were like, okay, we're
gonna bounce. Wow. Can youimagine getting into the ocean in the middle
of the night. That's scary.That's ballsy. I mean, this whole
thing is terrifying. Yeah, Imean it takes balls, dang. Okay,
So then they somehow were able toclimb up two, not one,

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but two twelve feet or three pointsix meter high barbed wire. Wow,
that's crazy. I don't know howthey do this, especially with carrying all
that year that they made. Andalso, don't ask me about the guards,
because I don't know how they didn'tnotice this. I think like there's

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all sorts of excuses, like theywere understaffed, or the one guard was
on the other side of the prisonwhere they were like in this blind spot
area of the guards, and sothat's why they were never caught. Yeah,
I bet the guards. I meanthey're probably assuming be really loud out
there with the wave the waves,it would probably mask a out of the
sound. And they're like, whowould be so crazy that they'll just die

(30:38):
anyway, Like, yeah, sure, it's just not a I don't know,
that's interesting. I mean these guysare doing it. Yeah, so
when they got near the shore,this is when they get an accordion out
not music night. I'm sure it'smanipulated in a way where it doesn't make
sound. I'm hoping. I'm notsure about that part. But they made

(31:02):
it into an air pump. Okay, I kind of wish it didn't make
sound, though. Can you imaginebecause it probably did take a while to
pump up that big I should havegotten the size of the raft. You
want to look up the size ofthe raft. I think it's like six
by fourteen. It's like a bigraft. Wow. I mean it was

(31:23):
supposed to be made for four men. Yeah, and grown men. He
made an inflatable boat. That's crazy. So, I mean, yeah,
it probably took a lot of timeto pump it up with the best too.
It's not just the raft, it'sthe best the vests, that's right.
They're trying to be safe at theirlife. They thought of everything.

(31:44):
Yes, they really honestly kind ofdid. Okay, so they're pumping up
with the raft. It was estimatedhere's this kind of time. It was
estimated that it was around or slightlyafter ten pm that night, and that's
when they officially probably got into thewater. Okay, did you find the
boat, Michael? No, ButI think that's probably because they only ever

(32:07):
covered shreds of it. Oh,that makes sense. Sure, I guess,
Yeah, you're right, So Iguess it was a guestimate. Yeah,
if they didn't have the boat,and that makes sense, dudes,
just like making it up in myhead. Sorry, Okay, that's a
good estimate, I mean, butI mean I guess it was for four
men, so I guess we canthink of it that way. Yeah,
which is still very big and knowinghow many range I coutds they had pipe

(32:30):
also hope. Sure. Yeah.So still as of today, it is
a mystery as if to if themen. Sorry, it is a mystery
as if the men were ever ableto make it to shore, if they
survived, or if they drowned inthe water. Okay, so the next

(32:51):
morning during the morning head count,the guards didn't even notice the men were
missing at first because these crafty madepaper mache heads. I've seen these heads.
Okay, that's ringing a bell.Yes, they're creepy as fuck.
If I remember, did they drawglefaces on them? They really went in

(33:12):
on these heads. Okay, theywere clearly in darts of graphs. This
was their Yeah, I think theirmain project. They really went into the
details. So they placed their headson the beds to make it look like
they were sleeping. Oh yes,so this bought them more time to get

(33:32):
away before they even started searching forthem. So it's clever to think of
these things too. These heads weremade out of paper, soap, toothpaste,
and concrete dust. Yeah, it'slike prison paper mache. Yeah.
They were also able to obtain likeskin color paint from like a little like

(33:53):
art room. And they also wentas far as to collect hair clipping from
the prison barber shop. That's thepart I remember. They had like real
hair on the real hair, sothey made it look like it had a
Sorry did you find Yeah, Ifound the it's six by fourteen. I
think that's what they said. Yeah, it's like it's like I researched it

(34:15):
a little bit. It's like youknew maybe if I just listened. Well,
I wasn't sure. I really wantedto be sure. So sure,
thank you for that's a big,big boat. Yeah, I would think
I mean to get my call.Yeah, good again. Sorry, no,
it's not your story. I foundthe size of the raft that you're
pretty sure you knew. So reallyutilizing their arts and craft skills, I

(34:40):
bet the warden was just like Iwas just trying to do something nice for
these guys. Look how they repayme. No more music night, no
music night. Yes. So notonly did they put the hair like on
the head to make a head ofhair, they also shaped the brows and
they gave it on flee. Theyalso gave himself, uh, luscious lashes.

(35:04):
Wow, I'm not doing myself anypapers. That's a hard one.
Luscious lashes beautiful. I even thinkthey even took like maybe like pink paint
or some sort of rouge to puton the cheeks, like, oh,
they're sleeping little too pale, let'sput some blush on them, as if,
like if anyone got close enough tosee the blush that they would realize

(35:28):
like mostly covered up by a blanket. Yeah. So I guess once the
guards realized that they were not movingin their beds, the guard decided to
poke one of the heads through thebars and that head ended up rolling off
the bed and falling onto the floor. That was probably like a real oh
shit moment, like did I justpoke his head off? Or and I

(35:50):
think like the nose fell off atthat point, so you do see like
the damage from the fall from theguard poking it. So yeah, they
met realized, oh shit, theseguys are gone, and they're like,
FBI can help our asses. Let'sdo this. So the FBI and other
law enforcement agencies began a very extensivesearch for the next ten days, searching

(36:15):
via air, land and sea.Wow, we also know a ton of
these details of the planned escape becauseof Alan West. He was completely fine
on snitching on all of these guys. I was like, I didn't get
to go out, so I'm tellingall those like they ditched me and it
was not my fault at all,exactly. So he fully cooperated in the

(36:38):
investigation in return for not being chargedwith any his any of his participation in
the plan. Okay, generation right, he didn't make it out anyways,
but yeah, I mean, yeah, he probably would have been for longer
maybe if he Yeah, they wereprobably like at it for sure, Okay.

(36:58):
So he also told them Alan Westthat the plan, if they were
to reach shore, the next stepswere to be to steal a car and
to change their clothes to continue ontheir escape. However, the FBI never
found evidence of any like nearby Carthf'sthat night, so two days into the

(37:23):
search, one of the makeshift lifejackets was found washed up on a nearby
shore. They also found a paddlethey made paddles for themselves out of plywood
that they like nailed together. Yeah, you definitely need battles. That was
just floating in the water, aswell as a bag filled with personal letters

(37:45):
and pictures of the England family.So it definitely belonged to one of the
brothers. Ooh, that doesn't bodewell. I feel like, hmm,
no other further evidence ever surfaced,and the bodies of the three men have
never been found, and I believethat's the FBI's main reason why they think

(38:08):
they drowned because of that bag ofletters and pictures, because if you cared
about it enough to take it withyou. But then maybe maybe they just
lost it. That's true. Itcould have just gone overboard, or maybe
the boat started to sink and theycouldn't swim with the extra weight. Sure,
yeah, yeah, exactly, Soanything is possible. Yeah, I

(38:30):
could see either side for sure.Having no car thefts in the area,
well, I'll colin. I'll alsoget to that later. Okay, okay,
Now, some people might think,excuse me, that swimming from Alcatraz
to the nearby shore is near impossible, but this is untrue. It turns
out that six months later, Decemberof nineteen sixty two, an innate name

(38:53):
John Scott ended up escaping Alcatraz.He actually made himself arm floaties. That's
adorable, like wireless prison escapees,the cutest escapees, like are crash root
for them, like, honey,sweet, I love this. That'sdorable,

(39:15):
the little arm floaties. And thesewere made by inflating rubber gloves together.
Wow, the ingenuity, the thoughts. You know what, you're allowed to
escape? You really tried, youtried so hard. I think you get
to be allowed this poor guy unlessyou're like a terrible awful Yeah, unless
he actually murders, you're like arapist murderer, you should stay in.

(39:36):
But then we're not ready for you. Rob it a bank, I'll literally
Yeah. That's why I feel likeeveryone's kind of like rooting for the possibility.
These guys made it because they neverreally hurt anyone. Yeah, and
just the cleverness. It's like,Wow, I hope they live their lives.
Yeah, go work for NASA orsomething like just turn it around,
you know, right right? PaulScott actually has a really great mug shot.

(39:58):
Is he a hot one? Oh, the one who swam the can
I see it? Yeah? Ah, yes, look, yeah, he
should be proud of himself. Heactually made it to shore right under the
Golden gate Bridge known as Fort Point. However, he barely made it.

(40:22):
He was suffering from severe hyperthermia.Yeah, I would imagine that's a really
cold ocean. Yes, and agroup of rowdy teens noticed the youths.
You gotta be scared of the teens, man. Yeah, I don't want
if I see a group of teenagersapproaching me, ever, I think I
would, I'd be very scared.Yeah. No, they're terrifying. When

(40:43):
when Chat and I decide to goto the mall on occasion, there's always
a group of teens somewhere, andwe're always like mumbling to each other,
like, oh my god, there'sa group of teens. You gotta they're
gonna be in the way. Ohmy god, there's amos, so many
hormones. I'm I gotta let's getaway from the group of teens, and
please don't make fun of anything I'mwearing. I'm always kind of like in
the way because they're not aware oftheir surroundings, and I'm like, oh
my god, these teens. Theseteens, two teenageeras, don't talk to

(41:05):
me. I'm fragile. So Imean, I guess these teens were doing
the right thing because they saw aman suffering from hypothermia, and we're like,
oh, so they called the policeand he was sent to the hospital
to recover, and then he wasreturned right back to a truss damp.
Like, can I just have likea day on the beach, you know,

(41:27):
just to enjoy my escape, justone day at the fairgrounds? Please?
Can I just get a corn dog? Like before I go back from
cotton candy? That sucks? They'relike, damn you youts, Just give
me a warm bath or something.So yes, So, because he was
caught and returned, I guess theFBI doesn't count that. But you know,
technically he did escape. They don'tcount it no, like because they

(41:50):
say no one has ever successfully escaped. Well he did, but he successfully
escape. He just got caught.They're just not emitting it. They're embarrassed.
They're bear is. Also nowadays,literally all the time nowadays, there
are two different triathlons that happen everyyear for people who dare they swim the

(42:12):
exact route starting from Alcatraz Island tothe Fort Point area under the bridge.
I've heard of that, and that'sso crazy to me. It's entirely doable.
However, it is very difficult.Yeah, people are crazy for doing
that. I mean yeah, butpeople who were like training to do that.
Yeah, like they're athletes, theytrain for this. I couldn't do

(42:32):
that. It's like a normal personcouldn't do that. So it's also I
guess it's there's some depending on yoursources, I guess. But these guys
were also they said they were maybeto be great swimmers, Like they were
grown up in like by the lakesof like Lake Michigan, so they would
go in there when it was freezingand they were able to like handle it,

(42:53):
and so they were like really strongmen who were able to like really
swim. Okay, so they didhave some swimming background, So I mean,
I guess that's another point. Maybethey made it, but yeah,
there's that tadbit. The FBI quicklyconcluded that with this evidence found all three

(43:14):
men likely drowned before reaching the shore. They did end up doing a very
long and thorough investigation on every possiblelead over the next seventeen years. Wow.
That's a long time. On Decemberthirty first, nineteen seventy nine,
the FBI officially closed their investigation onthis No valid evidence of any of them

(43:37):
being alive ever came to light overthose years. They handed over the case
to the US Marshall Service, whoactually continues to keep their investigation open as
of today, just in case theywould totally be dead by now, though
I would think yes. So mynext little thing is, I mean,

(43:58):
at best they would be in theirlate nineties at this point if they grew
to be old. I mean,so even if they did escape and live,
but I don't know if they wouldlive this long. No, well
maybe I don't know. So maybeone of them. Every once in a
while, a really spiteful person livesthat long. But like I feel like,
when you're living a life that hard, there's probably not a good chance

(44:19):
they're going to live to be inyour nineties. But who knows, who
knows? Who knows? You know, they're probably drinking and smoking, I
hope. So. Alcataz was officiallyordered to shut down their operations in March

(44:42):
of nineteen sixty three by the AttorneyGeneral at that time. So that's only
like what a couple of years lateror yeah, wow, yeah, and
that was Robert F. Kennedy.Oh who shut it down? Shut it
down, Shut that down. Sohere are some of the possible claims,
unpossible or claims impossible sightings okay ofthese men. Okay, So family members

(45:08):
of the England Brothers, mainly theirmom, would receive mysterious cards and flowers
as early as December of nineteen sixtytwo. Like they. It was six
months after they, I guess escaped. She received a Christmas card saying to
mother from John Merry Christmas what.She would also receive cards occasionally over the

(45:32):
years, mostly unsigned, and someof them were signed with the names Jerry
and Jerry and Joe maybe like secretnames. Weird, but it's weird because
that's not either of it's not theirnames. But if yeah, if he
used the real name the first time, why would they all of a sudden
change their names and be like,oh, I know. There's also people

(45:53):
are just so fucking weird, Honestly, I do. Sadly I kind of
lean that way too. Is thatpeople like once this became news that they
messed with them. Yeah, becausepeople are fucked up. Yeah, And
it's such a big story. Icould totally see someone wanting to like kind
of leave clues like, yeah peopleare they really are? So, I

(46:13):
mean, who knows. But there'salso that, Okay, however, this
is interesting. She also received flowersanonymously every single Mother's Day till the day
she died. In nineteen seventy three. When her funeral was held, people
noticed two unusual quote unquote women whowere tall and wearing very heavy makeup,

(46:37):
rouge, lushes, lashes. Perhapsapparently they attended her service but then quickly
left. That would be so likethem to dress up, right. However,
then I kind of like, well, they had so many kids.
Maybe one of the siblings like couldn'tbear to see them mom so upset.

(47:00):
Maybe she was upset. Maybe maybethey did it. I don't know,
but it is intriguing that somebody andhonestly sent her flowers. Yeah. Yeah,
it's just one of those details wherelike maybe what does that mean?
It could be any anything. Yeah, you're right, maybe she was just
hot and somebody liked her. Idon't know, but it admire It's on

(47:22):
Mother's Day, though, that wouldbe kind of weird. I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, maybe somebody justfelt really bad that her two sons
died. It's also maybe true wantedunder flowers. I don't know who knows.
Then, in nineteen eighty nine,it was reported that Robert England,
one of the other twelve siblings ofthe brothers, at the funeral of their

(47:43):
father, there was two men withlarge beards that came to the service who
wept at the casket and then quicklywalked out. I'm not laughing because of
the service. I'm just laughing imaginingthese two brothers showing up to various in
different disguises, trying to be likedisguised. But then this is like their
twelve siblings, like, so howdo you maybe not like recognize them?

(48:06):
And they was kind of a funnylittle thought. And they show up together.
It's like that separate but together.And I'm just imagining those like thick
black glasses with the fake nose andmustache, like they could wear those,
right, Yeah, I get whatyou mean. In nineteen seventy five,
a family friend of the England brothersnamed Fred Breezy claim to have rotted Breezy

(48:30):
heep It. Breezy claim to haverun into the brothers in Rio de Janeiro
Okay. He produced a photo thathe took of them standing next to a
termite mound. Both men are wearingglasses sunglasses, however, so it is
just too hard to tell if thesemen are actually them. It's just two

(48:52):
dudes. Okay, claims it's them, all right, whatever, dude,
Sure, sure, I'll post thatphoto in question and on our social medis
as well. Okay, you cantry and take a look at it.
They're third disguise, right, Okay. This sighting does, however, coincide
with a rumor that was started backin nineteen sixty five that the men had

(49:14):
escaped to Brazil. So that's odd. But then if it was also a
rumor back then, maybe it wasalready heard of. Yeah, and then
the friend was just like I wantI want the fame. Yeah, that
would just be so random, ofall places on some random trip to run
into them, like right, Likeyou don't run into people in another country

(49:37):
even regularly, Like I mean,I guess who knows it could happen,
I guess, But that just seemsvery against the I just ran into you
Brazil. Yeah, I don't know, I know what you mean. Okay.
So there has been a handful ofreported sightings of the men either in
Florida, Georgia, Maryland and aswe talked to Brazil, hmm. There

(50:00):
was even a very detailed death confessionby a man named John Leroy Kelly Love
a deathbed confession. Now, thisis quite interesting. In nineteen ninety three,
John Kelly kept repeating this very detailedconfession to his nurse. He's on
his dying deathbed and he's saying thisrepeated story with the same details over and

(50:25):
over. So it like she feltobligated to then like this is too weird.
I'm going to write this down sure, And if this story is true,
this is like the most bummery outcomeout of all the theories. And
I really hope it's not true.Wait, how was this guy connected?
Did you say he? I mean, I'll tell you his story. Oh

(50:47):
okay, okay, I wasn't true. Puriy to sit there wasn't yours.
This is what he says, okayon his deathbed, which is so interesting.
I want to know all the deathbedconfessions that would be. I just
want a book of deathbed confession Iknow, so juicy. I wish everyone
was obligated to give one to writepassage you can't die until you say a

(51:09):
secret, say your juiciest, darkestsecret, and then you're like rip by,
Oh my gosh. Yeah. Okay, So this guy claimed that he
and his partner were instructed to pickup the men via boat on the bay.
Their plan was to take them toSeattle, Washington, and eventually get

(51:29):
them up into Canada. The threemen somehow had connections or family members bring
them money some sort of. Imean, it's kind of like it has
to be a lot of people involved. So that makes me like, like
how many people were involved? Likehow likely is this? Yeah, because

(51:49):
like when someone spill at some point, I don't know. Yeah, anyways,
so I'll continue, Okay, Okay, So instead of fulfilling that plan,
John Kelly and is partner ended uptaking advantage of them, and they
said, let's shoot these guys,kill them, take their forty grand of
cash on hand. Wait, whydid who had forty grand? The men?

(52:14):
Okay, it was their escape money. Okay, So they like got
money from whatever connections they had whohelped them escape, or from their family
members over time. Okay, Iguess they had money to escape because people
were helping with the escape, whichI just don't know how you would get
that many people in Wall or haveyeah or like not have anyone guards noticed

(52:36):
that much money coming through. Ifeel like they checked the mail like just
giving No. I think they gotthis money after they escaped. Oh okay,
not like while they were in jail. Oh I thought, you know,
they took it with them. Nowthey escaped with the dudes on the
boat. They got somewhere they collectedtheir money from whatever family members wanted to

(52:57):
rescue them. Okay, you knowwhat I'm saying. I'm there. You
know it's possible they had mob connections. I don't know. I'm just telling
you this part of the st Sure, sure, but that was their plan.
They had cash. These guys werelike, let's not fulfill the plan,
kill them for their cash. Sure, and that would suck. That
would suck after all of that work, right, like they actually if they

(53:19):
actually committed the most crazy escape ofall time and then just to get murdered,
right, Oh, I hate that. That would be awful. They
I mean, so this guy isclaiming that they shot them in the truck
and then buried their bodies in arural area in the woods in Seattle or
in Washington. Somewhere. Oh.It's interestingly enough, an off duty police

(53:43):
officer was out driving around one amin the morning the night of the escape,
and he claims that he did seean illegal boat floating in the bay
that night. Ah, so that'sinteresting when other people connect other clues.
But then I'm just like, I'mnot sure about your motive there, Yeah,

(54:06):
because it really at this point waslike national news, right, You'd
think, yeah, papers in thepapers, papers escapees from Alcatraz, that's
big news. Yeah. Wait,whose motive are you confused on? Just
people coming out with Oh, wellI saw this boat. Oh you know

(54:28):
what I'm saying, Like people justwanting to be connected to the sto.
Yeah, it's like they add onto like somebody else's story to kind of
make it convincing. Yeah, butlike even if there was a boat,
it could be there for any anynumber of reasons. Like I mean,
he said it was an illegal boat, So I'm not sure if like,
you know, casual people can justboat in that area. But I don't

(54:52):
know. I'm just I am veryskeptical of these claims actually, is what
I'm coming off as. Yeah,I think I'm with you on the skepticism.
Just because none of these claims yetI've had a whole lot of hard
evidence or proof exactly saying something thathappened. And I think it was just
such big news at the time that, like I can see people wanting to

(55:13):
be a part of it. Definitely, there always is. It's I mean,
it's a huge mystery, so likewhy not, yes, if you're
crazy? Okay. Uh. Investigatorsalso had to follow up with that lead
and actually found the Okay, we'retalking about the John Kelly story still.

(55:34):
So he told them and described thearea that they buried the bodies. Apparently
they left some paint or like nailedhorseshoes on trees. They put like markings.
I don't know why. Yeah,that would be dumb if you were
trying to hide a body. Butokay, but he is describing these markings,
and then the investigators go to thatspot and they find evidence of those

(55:58):
markings, which is really weird.Yeah, but it was so many years
later. I think a lot ofthe ground shifted because there's a lot of
movement in California with the earth.Sure, so no, with the earth
Yeah, so no, I meanthey did try to dig that up and

(56:19):
they found no human remains, Soyeah, we still don't have their bodies
dead are alive tourists, So thiswas that part was dismissed because like,
if you don't find remains, thenyou're like, how yeah, how great?
Good is the story? And thenthey also dimissed, dismissed, dismissed

(56:39):
the officer claims of the boat.They're like, it's not really checking out.
So they were just like, nah, okay, so back to square
one basically, yeah, yeah,okay. So on the contrary to the
FBI's findings, I guess. Intwenty eleven, there's a documentary titled Vanished
from Alcatraz. I did not watchthis. I don't. I don't think

(57:02):
I could. I think I tried, But apparently they claim in that documentary
that they did find a raft thatwashed up on Angel Island with footprints leading
away from it, and that thiswas found the day after the escape.
Oh Angel Island. Yeah, Ithink it's just like another little rocky area.

(57:25):
Yeah, they could have made ittoo, okay. Also that in
nineteen fifty five, blue Chevrolet wasreported stolen in Marin County, which is
pretty close to San Francisco, Ibelieve, and that a motorist reported being
run off the road by a blueChevrolet with three men inside it. So

(57:51):
there's that. Lastly, in twentythirteen, the San Francisco Police Department received
a letter opposedly written from John Englinhimself. Okay, So the FBI did
later confirm in twenty eighteen that thisletter does exist. Okay, but we

(58:13):
can't confirm if it's from John.Sure, but this is what is said
in the letter. Generally, it'sexplaining that Frank Morris ended up dying in
October of two thousand and eight,that Clarence had died back in twenty eleven,
and that he was writing to thembecause he was pleading for medical help

(58:35):
for his cancer diagnosis in exchange forhis surrender. How do you feel I'm
confused, because tell me he wantshelp for his cancer that he I mean,
assuming he had to have already beendiagnosed by a doctor. So and

(58:57):
this is twenty thirteen. Yeah,so it's not like he he hasn't been
to the doc. Like what ishe saying? He's using a fake identay,
Like why would the government? I'mso confused, right, I Mean,
what I'm confused is that at thistime he's like old as fuck?
Yeah, I like old, Sowhy would you out yourself because you want

(59:19):
cancer treatment when you're in your nineties? But then you're I mean, yeah,
right, I'm sorry, but you'regonna die or soon anyways, I'm
sorry. I'm so sorry, Butlike, so like, why would you
want to go through cancer treatment?So that's where I'm like, well,
normally, like when sadly, Ithink when you get up to that age,
there are a lot of treatments aren'treally available for you because you probably
couldn't withstand it, right, Soyeah, so it's confusing. I mean,

(59:45):
so I guess it's kind of convincingin that sense. But I mean
if he was younger, if itwas an earlier letter, maybe I would
be like that was totally him.But because it was received in twenty thirteen,
I just feel like that's somebody that'sbored and watched documentary and was like,
let's have a good time, right, And if it was real,
I feel like something would have comeout of it, and nothing came out

(01:00:07):
of it. But if it wasreal, then that means like did they
all just live out their days togetheras the three best friends that there ever
could be? Yeah? I mean, I guess it explained that they all
survived because they all died of oldage later. But yeah, it's weird.
So that letter exists, but Iknow if it's legit, I just
don't. I don't believe that one. I don't. I have a hard

(01:00:30):
time to. Yeah, So that'sall I got for the nineteen sixty two
greatest shape of Alcool. That issuch a like interesting I love speculating all
that kind of stuff though. It'sso interesting to me, like even like
even if you look at the mostlikely thing that happened, which was they
just never made it to sure,Like just trying to imagine what they went

(01:00:52):
through in those moments is really interesting. Like did the boat capsize? Did
it just did a shock come?Yeah? Did they get attacked by a
shark? Was it they old?Did? Yeah? Did they succumb to
hypothermia? Did the boat spring aleak and they had to make a swim
for it and it didn't? Butthat's also crazy currents. Yeah, the
currents, that's definitely a thing inthat area. Ocean's scary. It's terrifying.

(01:01:16):
Like did they get was it foggy? Did they get turned around?
And like row the wrong way,there's so many possibilities. Like that's what's
really interesting to me is like whathappened to them if they didn't make it
to Sure because like their bodies werenever recovered, it's a big ocean.
They could have just gone out tothe sea. I guess, yes,
I guess there was a body thatwas found in the sea later on,

(01:01:37):
but it was never reported so nobodycould check the body and they were like,
oh, well, it could havebeen this guy who you know sadly
decided to jump off the bridge.So I mean, I don't know.
But then it's like the ocean,so if they drowned, did they drown
to the bottom like, and sowe can't find them because I mean,
like there's so many creatures in thesea. They just could have been sure

(01:02:00):
Sure over time easily. So Idon't know. You would think that we'd
find more evidence of I think somethingwashing up like from them, because like
their bag washed up and like alife jacket washed up, but nothing from
the actual men, which is interesting, like none of their clothes or maybe

(01:02:22):
it did and just nobody realized whatthey were looking at. Maybe that's super
possible. It could have washed uplike it's not if I'm thinking of the
right place. It's not like asuper touristy friendly like isn't it really rocky
and Alcatraz well not out I meanlike the coast around. Yeah, it's
like it could have just been caughtin some rocks and just never found.

(01:02:44):
I don't know, sure. Yeah, do you guys, do you guys
hope that they escaped, Like areyou one of those that kind of like
kind of wishes I do. Ikind of do hope they escaped, like
in a in a whimsical world,Yeah, because if I were them and
we just successfully escaped, I wouldI mean, maybe they did go to

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Brazil and live their life there.But in my rosy view of the world,
they made it to Brazil and thenthey would go to Italy and just
eat pasta for the rest of mylife. And it's like, how the
hell would they like do international travel, But like you know, they did,
and then they're just like having myties together on the beach and their
drag get up and they live outtheir days together. But right, how

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likely is that pretty slim? Ithink it's pretty slim, but it could
be pretty slim too. Just beso cute of it. I do root
for them. I mean, nomatter if they failed and drowned or not,
they got out of that prison.They made those heads. They made
that raft, teamwork, made thedreamwork. Wow, what a creative plan.

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Also, like their personalities, likethey have already shown that if they
did escape, they would go rightback to robbing banks, and they didn't
do that exactly, Like I thinkthat's also another reason, like that they
wouldn't have they would have they wouldthey would have to rob banks or you
know, yeah, it's not likeI mean, or just do some like
you know off the books, youknow work. But like sure for those

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kind of guys where they're like Idon't want to do that. I want
to get some quick, easy moneyand have a thrill. It doesn't seem
like they'd be the type to liveout just change. But then you think,
wow, we escape that, that'sso crazy, Maybe we should get
our shit deal. But you wishpeople thought logically, yeah, but they
escaped before and didn't have that that'strue exactly. Yeah, I think it's

(01:04:40):
unlikely unfortunately, but man, thoseguys' main history with that, yeah,
arts and crafts, they you knowwhat they said, they were still talking
about them so they in some way. Damn, wow, good story,
thank you. That was really good. We haven't ever done like a prison
escape story, but I love thosekinds of stories. I think they're so

(01:05:01):
fascinating. I thought this was reallyfun to do. We could just even
follow it up with all the hauntingsin that prison exactly. I know it
isn't it super haunted? Pretty sure? Oh yeah, because they had like
crazy, terrible like solitary confinement.Yeah stuff. I mean that place was
not fun. I mean even thoughthey had music hours. But yeah,

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now they're missing their accordion rude totally. I mean there's there's a there's something
called like the Birdman of Alcatraz.I haven't really looked into that. I
think that's kind of a famous personcase that's or like there's also a Battle
of Alcatraz. I think there wasa big riot. I mean, there's
a lot, isn't there Like NativeAmerican history too, Yes, I should

(01:05:46):
have mentioned. I kind of feela little bit bad, but like I
think there is there. I meanobviously there is, like it was their
land and we did that thing thatwe always do and still took it.
Yeah. Yeah, and I thinkthey're still I think there was a period
of time. I'll follow maybe I'llfollow up on this little detail and like
we gave it back, maybe afuture like your next episode or something.
But I mean I think they're Imean they did try to like claim it

(01:06:10):
back. I'm not sure, butI know you can go on tours now,
Yeah, there's tours. There's tours. I know that part. I'll
follow up on that detail because Ifeel bad for not mentioning it. Actually,
Oh well sorry, we'll we'll doa mentions next time. We'll actually
have a little spot on our boardfor corrections, yeah, or other mentions.

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Well, let's see, let's moveO two. City of the Week.
That's our new song, and thisweek our city of the week is

(01:06:55):
Syracuse, Indiana. I hope Ipronounce that right, Syracuse. Kay,
we see. Thank you so muchfor listening. Guys, hey over there
in Indiana. Hope you're doing good. That's like a new one, right
Indiana. We haven't really meant Yeah, there's been a new found appreciation for
our show in Indiana. Love itso hello, Hi, keep it up.

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If you wanna be our city theweek, you have to binge and
you have to make your friends binge. You don't win anything except for our
recognition exactly, not even of youspecifically, but just your area, just
your area. But hey, getit's kind of fun, and I think
it's fun. I would you know, what if I was binging and then
they were like, hey, Oregonand they said our city, I would

(01:07:38):
be like, that was me.You're welcome, right, fine, all
right? Anyway, are you watchingor listening to anything you would like to
share with the class? Yes,I have been getting through because I always
love good nostalgia movement, and Ibelieve it's on Disney Plus and Hulu.
Maybe I think I've seen it theretoo, but it's called re Wind to

(01:08:00):
the Nineties. Oh, I thinkhave I watched that? Man? Do
I love documentaries about the nineties.I'm oddly all about them, even if
they're bad ones. Yeah, you'relike, oh, I did live through
that. It's kind of like afun walk down memory lane. I remember
when that happened. I was seven, the ripe old age of seven,
so worldly, So that's been fun. I like that, okay, is

(01:08:23):
kind of I know there's like atrue crime one? Is it not the
true crime one? There's like,oh, the dark side of the nineties.
I've also watched episodes of that,but not all of them, so
I think that one's on Hulu.Okay, yeah, there's quite a few.
Yeah. I mean if it's onthe if it says the nineties,
I'm watching it. Oh interesting,I'm one of those. Wow, taking

(01:08:43):
me back to my childhood. Loyalto your decade, I am. But
ye, Michael and I have beenwatching three invention of Well. It used
to be called at Midnight, butnow it's called After Midnight. I think,
uh with Taylor Tomlinson. Oh yeah, which I feel like bear or
something. Yeah, it was likemarketed, really weird. I thought it

(01:09:06):
was gonna be talk show, butit's it's more of a game show,
which is what it used to bewith Chris Hardware. That's right. And
I got Ley canceled. I don'tknow what's up with him. Is he
still canceled? I don't know whatour culture is to a Hurst, so
he doesn't really care what you thinkfrom me to a Hurst. Fine,

(01:09:27):
he's doing fine. Yeah, Wow, I'm sure Hurst is the last time
I did an episode and I wastrying to like say that rich newspaper guy,
it was Hurst. Oh, RandolphDoubling randolp Hurst super rich. Sure,
they probably still are richer than God. Question, are you actually watching
it live when it's after midnight?No, we're old and we have a

(01:09:50):
child. I was thoroughly like,oh my god, they're so cool and
they're staying up after Oh my god. I'm like, is it eleven thirty?
It is past my bedtime because ourchild wakes up on godly hour now,
so we have to be awake.Unfortunately, Rylan's been waking up early
to okay, but what is earlyfor you? Okay? THEO wakes up

(01:10:13):
at like seven These days. I'mjust like, I can't even sleep in
ever. But it's fine, you'llget through it. I know one of
these days it's gonna be a stinkyteenager and he's gonna sleep until noon.
I'm gonna be like, why areyou? Yeah, So that's what we've

(01:10:33):
been watching. It's not super exciting, but I do like Taylor Tomlinson.
I think her stand up is reallygood. Have you watched any of it?
No? But I mean obviously she'smaking her way up, So I'm
proud of her. Yes, women'ssupporting women. We love her. Yes,
And I don't have anything else totalk about me either. Man.
I hope this was a good oneand y'all enjoyed it. I enjoyed it
very much. I was here,Michael was here, matrix his way through

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