Episode 106: LANSA Se Lanza De Panza (Juliane Koepcke-Plane Crash Survivor)

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You haven't watched that Nana Land showyet? Haven't you even? Oh just
one time? But when we did, we both loved it. Isn't it
so cute? I was like,oh this, I know exactly what Abby
means. Yeah, isn't it likeMissus feather Bottom from Arrested Velopment? Yeah.
But there's like a scene where sheit's like a Twitter, not Twitter,
a TikTok viral clip on there whereshe's like singing to the little girl.

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She's in like a princess outfit withlike a little wand and she's like,
who's that wonderful girl? So Ising that to THEO whenever we come
down the stairs and Michael's waiting there, and I say, who is a
wonderful boy? Could be cut?And he always like laughs like really,
He's like he's really good. Hello, Oh hey guys, welcome, welcome.

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I'm Abby and I'm Shanna. Andthis is anxious and afraid yep.
In it's episode one oh six,it is I forgot to do episode numbers.
Yeah, six is my lucky number. So, oh God for you,
thank you? How are you hi? Hi? Oh gosh, yeah,
you know, stressed and anxious andI'm afraid. That is your state

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of being constantly for good reason.I'm really on brand right now. Yeah,
go ahead, talk about it.What are you do anxious? Are
afraid for your life? I mean, okay, so I guess I've already
mentioned the house stuff, and that'sjust continuing to you know, long process.
It's all happening at the same timethat we're we're traveling out of the

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country and to Mexico and it's gonnabe great. I'm so excited. It's
going to be an actual vacation.Yes, haven't had a vacation since my
honeymoon in twenty sixteen. Wonderful.It's gonna be great. And twenty sixteen
shouldn't count strike it from the recordbecause you guys were super sick on your
honeymoon. We know so this.You don't make up on vacation. You
really don't. I either am sickor I break out in hives or Yeah.

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We've got on some vacations that werethat were great. Oh of course,
so maybe not all of them.But you know how how you have
to get to Mexico on a planeplane? I have to take two planes
there, two planes black with atoddler. I think That's what's most nerve
wracking is Oh, I would bewith THEO. I would be terrified.

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Yeah, I would be going tobe that person on a plane with a
kid, And I really hope shedoesn't cry the whole time she's you know,
she I feel like she's an unusuallychill baby, so she is she
actually honestly might do better than me. That's what I keep saying, is
that she's going to think it's sofun and I'm just going to be terrified
she I mean, ignorance is bliss. She doesn't know any of the things

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that you know. She probably justlike, what an adventure I'm going on?
Right, Like, what a funride? And then I have all
these toys for her. She hasno concept of being in the middle of
the air. She just get that, right. I'm worried about the ears
though, you know, yeah takingoff true and hurt so they can't chew
gum like us adults. Can.Yeah. Oh god, the amount of
research I probably would do if Ihad to take a baby on a plane.

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I've kind of okay, I've doneboth. I've obsessively looked like on
Amazon for all things, and I'mjust like, okay, I need to
like block this from my brain becauseI literally can't function if I keep thinking
about this. Oh, I'm sorry. It's gonna be good though. You'll
get through it and then you'll bein Mexico and it'll be beautiful and warm.

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Yeah, I'm very excited. Yeah, get my tan on. Yeah.
Yeah, and she's good. I'mlike, you look great, thinking
healthy lately. Oh, thank you. I have been trying to like take
care of myself. Yeah, lookgreat, not that you didn't before,
but I can just tell that youfeel better. I do. Actually,
I honestly do feel the difference,which is like just crazy to me.

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Yeah, so that's awesome for me. What's happened? Oh okay, so
this actually happened a few weeks back, but it did give me like almost
a fobal and panic attack. Yeah, we forgot to mention it before.
This was funny, actually, atleast on my It was funny for Seana
because she wasn't going through the panicattack like I was for a prolonged amount

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of time. So I was oneday, just like back in the day,
we had this app where we couldkind of do better analytics for like
our social media, Like people dothis like shitty thing where they ghost follow
or they're like follow me, andI'm like okay, and then they unfollow
us immediately and I'm like rude.So I was like, I'm gonna be
petty and just like unfollow people tous. Not that it really matters in

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the in the grand scheme of things, which is also why this is so
stupid, but but we used tohave that, like really early early.
Yeah, it was fine. SoI went on you know, the app
store, and I was like,okay, let's find this stupid little app.
I couldn't find the same one.There was one that had like over
I don't know, it was liketwo to three hundred thousand reviews. It

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was like four and a half stars. I was like, cool, looks
legit, fine, download it,do the whole thing and it and tried
to do your due diligence. Itdidn't matter. I could have been better.
I I on, obviously could havebeen better. But this is what
happened next because we got locked down. We got locked out of our Instagram

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in point two seconds and like gothacked like immediately. I was like,
oh my god, I've had thisapp for like two minutes and it's destroying
my life, so like it makesyou. It made me sign into our
Instagram so that it could like trackthe analytics, right, that'sume standard,
and then immediately it was like errorand then we just couldn't get into it.
We were locked out of it.Shauna couldn't on her phone, no,

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because I like ran over to Shaunaand I was like, let me
have your phone, and I wasnot understanding the severity of it. I
was just like, oh, okay, it is on her phone, and
then within a second it's like nope, you're gone to I was like,
wait, what did you do?I'm just like, everything's fine, don't
worry about it. So I scrambled. I started like googling this app,

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and then I saw like dug intothe reviews and there was a bunch of
recent reviews that were like, don'tdownload this app. It's going to kick
you out of your Instagram is goingto lock you out. And I couldn't
find anything specifically about like hacked,like as in, it's not like they
were posting random stuff to your accountor like trying to contact your followers to

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get money, you know, likethat kind of hacking. It didn't seem
like it was that so I couldn'ttell if it was just that bad of
software that it just ruins your Instagramor if it was actually malicious. But
these people gave advice on like youneed to log in through a laptop,
you need to set up two factorauthentic, you know all this stuff.

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Yes, So like on my lunchbreak at work, I like speed home.
Yeah, you like immediately left.I was like, I got to
take care of this home. Ihave to go. And luckily it was
like right before my lunch, soyeah, I sped home. I logged
in on the laptop. I wasable to change the password. I thought
I fixed it. I know severaltimes and I thought I fixed it,
and then like several hours later,the same thing happened again. So it

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was just like it was like kindof a full day panic. I'm so
sorry for you. It was justlike I ruined And I think I felt
extra bad because I think that theInstagram is actually tied to your personal account.
So I was like, did Ijust ruin Shanna's life? Like I
was pretty sure I ruined your life? So I felt so bad. I
was like scrambling. I set upall of the extra security, and then

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it seemed to fix it right aftera date. But I was just like,
everything's all good on my end,just like guys, I felt like
an old boomer. I was justlike, how did how you know better?
Like how did you let this happento you? Ah? You know
what? The day you were likedo you hate me? And I was
like, wait, what are youmad at me? Why would I hate
you? Because I'm having to textyou to be like change your and I

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was like okay, oh my god, like a psychopants. So I was
like, you know what, justdon't log in until I handle this,
and you're like okay, and thenI took too long to log in.
So long story short, everything's fine, fine, we don't get it,
just a little hiccup there, justlike I mean, the one thing about

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me is that when something like thathappens, I go into full like problem
solver mode, like we're gonna fixthis and we're gonna fix it right now.
And I love that about you.And it worked out, fixed it,
thank you, and I also endangeredit, so you know it's great.
What else? What else? Whatelse? Oh? Last week we

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talked about in your episode, wetalked about Native Americans. Yes, I
said, I would mention it,And I'm just gonna apologize is upfront because
I've had a very crazy week andI kind of just briefly read about it
this morning because I totally forgot.So I'm gonna kind of very simplify it.

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Not an expert, and I'm sosorry. I don't mean it to
be disrespectful, but I do wantedto mention their brief time occupying the island
of Alcatraz. Well, yeah,because they were there. Obviously, they
were there before settlers, white settlers, Yes, absolutely, duh. So
I couldn't really find like details onthat really, But once Alcatraz closed,

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I believe a group of Native Americansdecided to protest and occupy the island.
So they actually lived on the islandI think for nineteen months, and it
was in protest because they wanted theirland back. Ye. I guess there
was like a treaty signed, youknow, saying that once federal owned land

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wasn't being used and it was closed, that it should go back to the
Native Americans who previously had it.It makes sense, but I don't believe
that happened unfortunately in this country.No, no, So yeah, I
guess that lasted for nineteen months,and then they were forced to get off

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the island unfortunately, and then itwas bought as a national park. So
that's where we're at now with it. So I'm sorry, Hey, I
mean that's the generalization of the informationI found over simplified version of the story.
Definitely look into it. It isvery interesting. There is a lot

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of information on it, which isalso why it's like intimidating for me to
bring it up, because I'm like, actually kind of like delves a lot.
But yeah, that's that's all Igot for now. I saw a
little blurb that the Native Americans thatwere in that area would send people to
the island as like a you dida bad things, so you have to
go live here. Now. It'slike, oh, it was like a

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timeout. Interesting. Yeah, lotsof history with that, very interesting stuff.
Yeah. Do you do your researchy'all if you want to learn more
on that, because it is reallyinteresting. Yes. Okay, And as
always, we're sorry Native Americans exactly, We're so sorry, so sorry everything
our people did to you. Okay, So we anything else should I begin

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not? I think we should hopinto it, you guys, Okay,
Okay, Episode one of six aswe said, I do have a doozy
for you. I am excited.Okay, So Shanna already got a little
hinty hint about what today's episode wouldbe on, because I did write this

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episode like way back in December,but I decided to do the Titanic instead
because I thought that would be goodfor our first I mean, my first
episode back. Yes, So Ijust want to point out that I did
ask permission she did, y'all.I asked more than once she did if
I could cover this topic. Becausethe timing feels more than a little insensitive.

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Well, it's also really funny becausebecause I've like, I like made
it a point like ever ever sincewe booked Mexico. I was like,
Okay, Shauna, you're not gonnawatch documentaries on plane crashes. You're not
gonna feed your morbid obsession over it. I'm not watching certain movies that I
want to watch because it involves aplane crash. And so I was doing

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that for myself and then Navy's like, well, I'm gonna fuck you over
yeah. Yeah. So today wewill be covering Shauna's all time favorite topic,
which is plane crashes, okay,or a plane crash in this case,

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But which one you'll find out?Okay? I am excited because you
know, I am morbidly into these. I know, I know, and
I just have a listener ask too. They're like, can you please do
another plane crash as well? Ifwe're not the only ones, you know.
I it's it's funny. It's notthe podcast fault. It's like purely
my fault. And it's it's moreso, I think, just the unknown

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of like like now I'm traveling witha toddler and it's just more so like
being scared for her and just youknow, I can I'm gonna hold my
breath for a few minutes and I'llbe fine. Yeah, it'll be fine.
It'll be fine. Planes nowadays there'sI mean, crashes are so seldom
considering how many flights go out andout every day. I literally look for

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all airplanes in the sky and Itell myself, look, everything's fine on
that, but it's not going down. This is regular everyday life. It
happens all the time, flights,not crashes. Okay, yes, clarification,
all right, okay, but whichis this one? Go? Okay?
So I know that sometimes the storieswe tell have no glimmers of hope,

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no redeeming qualities to make you feeleven just a little bit better about
the horrors we speak of. Buttoday's story is a little different because not
all is lost for one person.Okay, I wouldn't call them lucky because
that feels insensitive. But there isa person who will be the main character
of this story today that survives totell her tale. Okay, another woman.

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Yeah, it's kind of funny becauseI think most of the plane crest
stories I've done have been one femalesurvivor. I mean, come on,
it's like always one blonde woman.Oh is it another blonde? It's another
blonde woman? Oh? How oddI know? This is the third blonde
woman that I've covered. Oh that'sweird, survived like the sole survivor.
Okay, do I need to dyemy hair blood? I guess go back

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to platinum, bitch. Just youknow, it's so odd. Apparently that's
the lucky hair color. Okay,So today we will be covering the incredible
tale of survival against all odds ofJulianne Copka. Okay, So she survived
a plane crash when she was ateenager, Okay, and she made her

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way through the rainforest to live anotherday. Okay, we're in the rainforest.
Were in the rainforest. Unfortunately,we are going to South America,
which is not too far from whereyou're going. But it's I wasn't even
thinking about and you just put itin my brain. I honestly thought about
that today, like this morning.I was like, oh shit, it's
even kind of close to well,not really, I mean kind of kind

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of close. Take notes. Okay, I'm gonna do everything in my power
to survive. Yes, Okay,tell me how to survive. Okay,
have you heard of this? Thisone doesn't. It's on a lot of
podcasts, so I thought maybe myfriend doesn't reabel. Okay. As always,
let me introduce my main source materialfor today, which is a book

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written by Julian Copka herself, titledWhen I Fell from the Sky. The
True Story of One Woman's Miraculous Survival. It is an incredible book. I
would highly recommend and encourage anyone topurchase it and read it. It's not
hard to fall in love with herwhen you're reading about her story, because
she's just really cool. Are thereare movies made of these stories? This

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one does? I know? Ithas a documentary. It'd be such a
good movie. Right, it's anold documentary too. People don't like to
read, like me, I wantto watch this, I know it would.
I wonder if there is there's popActually I know that there is,
but it was made back in theday and it was really poorly done,
so I don't know if there's abetter version. But she even talks about

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how terrible and like camp this movie. It was just really bad. Yeah.
I think it was also being likethis is seventies or something, so
sure, okay, little budget,so okay, here we go. So
there is an older documentary I watchedtitled Wings of Hope by the legendary Werner
her So sure, who was that? Really? He's like the German guy

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that does like all of the naturedocumentaries German, not the British guy.
No, he's German. You're killingme. What's what's the one he does?
Isn't it? He does like youwould recognize it if you probably would,
you really would, he does.I wish I could do a Werner

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hertzeg. Yeah, in this kindof categories, I'm really bad with names.
I'm trying to even think of.Well, maybe Michael can pull up
something at some point. But yeah, he's like he is like legendary in
the documentary world. I know KenBurns, but wasn't his brother in Jurassic
Park? Am I thinking of theright guy? Oh? I'm thinking you're

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thinking of David Attenborough. Yeah,Okay, I know those two guys.
Okay, that's what you're thinking of. And that's what I just got confused
with. But I think the commentaryabout the bear guy that was like living
with bears and then he got ohby bears. I think I think Verner
did the documentaryund that well. I'llplay you a clip of his voice later.
I swear you'll you'll recognize it rightaway. It's very iconic. Note

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from the editor, I'll try tokeep it brief. I refer to to
Matthy Treadwell as bear Guy. Ofcourse, the documentary that Erner hertz Hug
made about him is called Grizzly Man. And here is a brief sample,
just a poll quote from Werner fromthe documentary Grizzly Man. Here I differ
with Dreadwill. He seemed to ignorethe fact that in nature there are predators.

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I believe the common denominator of theuniverse is not harmony, but chaos,
hostility, and murder. Okay,so let's see. So, yes,
he made a documentary. I didn'tget a lot of new information from

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the documentary after reading the book,but it does do a good job of
taking you to the scene of thecrash, and it gives you a visual
reference for some of the trials thatJuliane went through to survive. Okay,
you did say this was a smallerplane, right, yes, okay,
so that also that's why I alsogave you permission. This plane is nothing
like the plane that you're going togo on exactly. It was also,

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everything's going to be fine for me. Yeah, this is completely different,
okay, Okay. So interestingly,Werner Herzog does make a cameo appearance in
this story, which is what ledhim to make the documentary. But I
will discuss that more later. Okay, All right, Now, as always,
I'm going to start from the beginningand maybe even a little further back,

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because I want to tell you aboutJulianne's parents. I think once you
learn about how cool her parents are, you won't be so surprised at how
cool she is. Yeah, okay, okay, So I won't go too
far back, but our tail beginswith a love story between two young German
biology college students biology. I wantedto go. We all wanted to be

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marine biologists. We did, Wereally did. Literally Why was that the
job everybody wanted? I don't know, but I was really into it for
a long time. I tried togo to college for it. I took
a college classroom. I think Itook one too, and then I quickly
dropped out of college, like,oh wait, this is hard. It's
not all just swimming and hanging outwith dolphins. So and I don't play

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with starfish like dumb, I'm leaving. Okay. So Maria, I'm so
sorry for the pronunciations. You know, I'm gonna try my best. But
also I did look at the pronunciationsweeks ago. Yeah, I thought I
was going to do it, andthen I haven't revisited them, So I
apologize, Okay, Maria Emily AnnaVaughan mikolch Redecki as her whole ass name

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for one person. For one person, that's Maria, and then there's Hans
Wilheim Copka. It's a little easier. So. Maria was born in Leipzig,
Saxony, Germany, on May fifteenth, nineteen twenty four. Her father
was also academically gifted, as hewas a university professor of gynecology. So

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I guess the apple didn't fall farfrom the tree with Maria and then Hans
Wilheim Copka was also born in Germanyon June thirteenth, nineteen fourteen. He
was a tenacious man with a passionfor animals and nature, which would lead
him to the University of Kiel.So the pair met at the University of
Kiel, where they both studied biologyand zoology. This also needs to be

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a movie. It's so cute.As you will soon learn about Julianne,
it's no surprise that she came fromtwo very smart and talented parents. It
is especially noteworthy that her mother,Maria, received her doctorate in zoology,
which was highly uncommon for women atthe time to not only be researchers in
that field, but to earn theirdoctorate. Wow. Good for her,

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right, So it would take avery determined and bright young woman to succeed
during that time. So Maria isan icon. Indeed. Now, I
don't really know how these two metat university. There wasn't details, but
I like to imagine that there waslike a meet cute scenario, possibly involving
a frog dissection, where Hans takesoff his glasses to clean them and Maria

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realizes he's been beautiful the whole time. Yes, I want this to be
a rom com. He just likeshakes out his hair, snaps his gloves
and she's like, oh my god. Okay. Either way, they hit
it off, and by nineteen fortyseven the pair are engaged. Maria had

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told her mother quote, I'm goingto marry this man, him or no
one. She set wow. Butbefore they married, Hans was itching to
put his newly acquired doctorate and naturalsciences to the test in a country with
a high degree of biodiversity. Heconsidered tri Lanka and South America and wrote
inquiries to universities at both. Ayear later, he received a reply from

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the Natural History Museum in Lima,which is in Peru. They were like,
yes, we have a position foryou. Come on over. But
this is easier said than done.World War two had only ended a couple
of years before this, and Hansdidn't have a passport, which meant no
visa and travel in Europe could stillbe quite treacherous, especially for Germans,

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I would imagine. Yeah. Thisdidn't deter Hans, though. He was
determined to go, and Maria encouragedhim as well, telling him that she
would join him once she had finishedher doctorate. Super casual, so the
tale of Hans's journey to Peru couldget its own episode with how wild it
was. So I'll be brief,but this guy had more will power in

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determination in his pinky toe than Ido in like my whole body. Okay,
So he travels on foot to Austriaby sneaking under the border fence.
Then hitchhike is hitchhike is hitchhikes slashwalks to Rome, where he was hoping
to get a Red Cross passport.This plan doesn't work, so he decides
to try his luck in Naples,but gets arrested and placed in a prison

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camp for several months. Wow.He prays for a miracle and receives one
on a particularly rainy night when therain and winds are so heavy the prison
wall collapses and he escapes. Wow. From there, he goes to Sicily
but has no luck, so hetravels Shawna's roots, so he travels back,

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travels back across the sorry across Italytowards France, but runs into trouble
at the border because the whole areais still a literal minefield from the war.
Oh my god, scary, nobiggie. Hans crosses the border into
France and attempts to hitchhike, butFrench people aren't feeling too charitable towards Germans
after the war. Amazingly, though, a Jewish man listens to Hans's tale

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and gives him some money for hisjourney, which is just like wow,
it's some kind of like karmic balanceon the universe. It's cool. Yeah.
In France, Hans waits for monthshoping to find a ship to South
America, but it's fruitless, sohe decides to trek to Spain. This
involved crossing the Alps by foot,which he did. What I know.

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He was careful to travel only atnight so he didn't end up in another
prison camp, and after some timehe finally heard about assault ship sailing to
South America. Wait, he wouldwalk the Alps only at night? Yes,
who is this man? He issome kind of legend, Like this
story is about his daughter, butlike, this guy needs a book as

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well, wow, I think heactually did start to write his own but
then died before you, fait,which is sad because a legend already.
But I'm so cool. So hefinds the salt ship that's sailing like literal
salt like figure food sailing to SouthAmerica. He decides to sneak on the
ship and bury himself in the cargohold aka a giant pile of salt.

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No, you're gonna like dry yourselfout, I know, he's No,
he's gonna get it's gonna be likea little dried apricot or something. Yeah,
yeah, I don't. I can'timagine how you live through that.
But he stows away with another man, and after four unbearably hot and dehydrate
dehydrated days on the rough seas,the other man panicked and the two men

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were caught and arrested. They wereplaced in prison in Santa Cruz, but
after a couple of weeks, Hantsgets lucky and he was released. He
quickly booked a ship to Brazil,and after a whole year of traveling,
he had finally made it to SouthAmerica. Oh my god, he's just
like pink everywhere, you know.We went to so many countries, he

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said, quote Columbus could not haverejoiced more than I did setting foot in
America, which is probably true.It would take another year and over five
hundred miles of walking to finally reachPeru. Whoa so like, yeah,
he gets to South America, buthe's not even where he needs to be
yet and miles. Wow. She'slike, I'm just gonna walk there,

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It's fine. A quote from Hansabout his ordeal which ended up being particularly
relevant to Julian's story. He said, when we have really resolved to achieve
something, we succeed. We onlyhave to want it. Julian. Oh.
When Hans finally arrived at the NaturalHistory Museum asking for his job,

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they unsurprisingly had already filled it becauseit had been two years. Oh my
god, he just expects it sostill be He's like, here I am,
I've arrived. Oh no, afterall that. Yeah, he did
eventually find a job there, though, and sent for Maria, who was
still in Germany. She had amuch easier go of it and was able

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to come on a steamship. Shedeserved that. Yeah, she's just like
here I am. Upon arrival.She also quickly got a job at the
museum, which would lead to hertaking over the ornithology department, and probably
said what, like, it's hard, what is that department? Uh?
Birds? Birds? Yes, coolbirds? That of birds. Sure.

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Soon after, in nineteen fifty,the pair would finally get married in a
church where the only language spoken wasSpanish, neither of which Hans or Maria
spoke yet. So during the servicethere was a moment where I got really
quiet, and the priest was like, Maria, you have to say see,
because they asked if you would likeconstantly your husband. ID have to
say yeah, She's like see.So that was their fun wedding, which

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is kind of oh, that's funny. It's a fun story. Yeah.
Hans and Maria worked diligently in theirfields while in Peru, studying the flora
and fauna with an intense passion,but something was missing. They wanted a
baby. Hans was hoping for agirl, and on the tenth of October
he would get his wish as Julienneentered the world. Her name meant the

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cheerful one, and she lived upto its meeting. By all accounts,
Julienne had a pretty magical childhood.When I was reading the book. I
just kept thinking, like, she'sthe real life Eliza Thornberry, like minus
the ability to talk to animal's part, right, Like she gets to live
in the jungle like. So shegrew up in Peru like Soranda by plants
and animals. That's just her everydaylife. Yeah. And her mother was

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an ornithologist, which, as Isaid before, is a study of birds,
and would often bring home sick orinjured birds to nurse them back to
health. And it was Julianne's jobto name the animals and help care for
them. Cute, the really funpart A cute. When her German family
would visit, they would be astonishedat Julienne's ability to refer to the animals
using their Latin classifications. Wow,it's a little kid being like a scientist,

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I know. She also grew upspeaking both Spanish and German and developed
many close friendships with the Peruvians inthe area. Love that as young as
five years old, Julienne was accompanyingher parents on trips to the Amazon rainforest.
Her mother noted that she took anythingthrown at her and stride, whether
it be sleeping in the wilderness ortraversing the numerous rivers by boat, and

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at a very young age, shehad already begun to fall in love with
the wild and all the living thingscontained within. Along with her love for
the rainforest came a deep respect forthe quote laws of the jungle. She
learned which creatures and plants to avoid, and garnered the skills that would save
her when she would one day findherself all alone in the rainforest. Yeah,

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the rainforest is no joke, nojoke. I honestly can't think which
one's worse, the rainforest or thedesert. I don't want to be dropped
in either. Ah, but Ifeel like there's just a gazillion and more
things to worry about in the rainforestbecause it's so dense of just everything.
There's so much life, like,so much life, so much plant life,
so much animal life, so muchwater life. Insects, ew,

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insects, bugs is what would getme poisonous. Everything everything's trying to kill
you. And it's just very loud, like if you listen to recording,
creepy. Yeah, I don't knowhow people. I mean, just all
the noises of the animals. It'ssuper loud, scary. Okay, so
up until Juliane was fourteen. Shemostly lived and went to school in Lima,
but at this time her parents decidedto relocate to the middle of the

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rainforest so that they could study thevast biodiversity there, which had been up
to this point largely unstudied. Wow, they're like no things because of them.
Yeah, they like literally they didit, wrote books and giant fat
books about what they found there.It took quite a bit of planning,
but in July of nineteen sixty eight, the family relocated to the Amazon Rainforest.

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There was a spot near the riverwhere some old name of huts were
located that Hans decided would be theirnew home and future research station, which
he named Panguana. They built atwo room hut with the help of the
native people, who quickly became theirfriends, even though they probably thought they
were the craziest white people they wouldever meet, and indeed they were.

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The research station had no running wateror electricity, but the Copca family still
relished their time there, and whenJulianne would visit her friends in the city,
she was known as the quote junglegirl. Even though Julianne wasn't attending
classes in her city, her parentstook her education very seriously and homeschooled her
in the rainforest. I mean,I would trust their qualification and teach so

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two scientists for parents, like,she probably got a better education than most
kids do in America. Definitely nomath, yeah, so just like teaching
her the scientific method. Yeah.Yeah. Even so, the Peruvian government
found out after a year and ahalf and were like, actually, you,
we're going to need you to comeback to class if you want to
graduate. So in March of nineteenseventy Julianne went back to the city of

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Lima to attend her old school andstayed with family friends for the next year
and a half. Julianne was justlike the other kids at her school and
fit back into city life, butwas looking forward to return to Panguana.
In December of nineteen seventy one,Julianne had graduated from high school and was
preparing to take the university exam test. Her mother, Maria, had arrived

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in Lima the previous month for workand was planning on flying back with Julianne
to Panguana so they could spend Christmaswith her father, who was still at
the research station. Maria wanted tofly the day before Christmas Eve, but
Julianne really wanted to be in Limaon December twenty third because that was the

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day of her graduation ceremony, andthe day before that was the graduation ball,
which was a big deal to Julianne. Yeah. I can see that
she saved up all her money tobuy her first long formal dress and she
already had a date. So she'slike, Mom, I have to go.
I have this hottie and I havethis dressed and I must must go.

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I must go. Everyone must seemy stunning beauty. So her mom
understood and she's like, okay,Julienne, you can have your fun and
then we will fly back on ChristmasEve, the twenty fourth. The issue
with this is that all of thereliable airlines were booked up for the holidays
and the only airline left with availableseats was Lanza Airlines. I would hate

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to travel during that time. Itseems like a nightmare. Who it's like
just packed, Oh thank you souh. Lansa Airlines was an airline with
a terrible reputation like Spirit or Allegianin today's age. Worse, I would
say, worse. Yeah, justworse than those. So people had a

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saying for Lanza, which was Lanzaselonza de panza, which translates to Lanza
lands on their belly. Oh,I think the Spanish is much better.
Yeah it is. It really islands on its belly, lands on its
belly. Yeah, with the wheelsright properly land you would hope. But
no. Previously, lance I hadalready had two plane crashes, one in

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nineteen sixty six resulting in forty ninefatalities, and one in nineteen seventy resulting
in one hundred and one fatalities.Oh my gosh. Also with just one
survivor forty nine of the people whoperished were a class of American exchange students,
and the crash would be attributed toimproper training and maintenance, all which

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would you know, were preventable.Yeah that sucks. Okay, it was
the seventies, so I'm so gladI was not living in the seventies.
I feel like there's a lot morecrashes back in the day. They were
like just learning it. Yeah,okay, the crash would be oh wait,
yeah, so in proper training,poor maintenance, and according to the

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Wings of Hope documentary, the Mcarexworking on the plane had previously only worked
on motorcycles, and the pilots didn'thave proper licensing. Okay, no,
it's all bad. No. Julianne'sfather had even explicitly told Maria not to
book a flight with Lansa, butthe next available flight with a different airline

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wouldn't be open until after Christmas,and Maria just didn't want to wait that
long to see her this circumstances.Hate this build up, I hate.
So she booked the Lansa flight andsaid, quote, not every plane's going
to crash. Okay, so I'mtrying to this is a foreshadowing for your

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life, I promise. Sorry.Oh this poor girl. I hate everything
about this. Okay. So shemight have thought twice about booking their seats
if she had known that the planethat they were about to travel on was
literally the last plane Lansa had afterthey crashed the others. Not only that,
but the plane that they would beboarding was made to fly in dry

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desert conditions, and they were aboutto embark on a journey over the Andes
Mountains and into the rainforest climate.Quite literally the opposite, very opposite of
what those planes were made for andthe model of the plane was a turboprop.
And this model had already been takenout of service in the US for
years due to its trouble handling turbulence. Wow, not to mention this particular

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plane had been assembled with used partsfrom other planes. Oh no, you
clenching those little booty cheeks yet,I mean, yeah, okay, so
we can take a break, okay, all right, cool. So the

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day of the flight arrives, itis Christmas Eve and the airport is in
chaos. It's like the Peruvian versionof the airport scene and home alone.
Sure, it's packed to the brainwith people trying to get home to their
families in time for Christmas. Soit's just like the added level of intensity,
you know, yeah, and stress. Yes. To add to the
chaos, several flights had been canceledthe day before, so hundreds of people

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were stranded in the airport trying toget a flight out. The legendary filmmaker
Erner Herzog was among those people scramblingto get a flight. Oh, this
is just so crazy and random,but he was so also trying to fly
to Pecopa, which is where Julianneand her mom were going Erner Herzog was
working on a film in the rainforestand was arguing with the airline to put

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him and his crew on the sameflight. Julianne and her mom were taking.
No. He didn't succeed, fortunatelyfor him. Oh my gosh,
what a crazy like realizing you wereabout to go on a plane that crack
and you were like arguing to getonto it. Oh, that's chewing.

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It's so it's just like to thinkof all the things that he's done,
like since it's just wild, Likenot only the fact that he was there,
which is just crazy, and thenhe ends up writing about this about
them, but that he was literallytrying to get on the same flight.
That is just so crazy. Itis it's wild, and I'm sure it
was just like some kind of weirdreality check for him, just like whoa,

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that would be so trippy, right, It's yeah, and then to
make a documentary about it wild.After eleven am, Julianne and Maria's flight
is called and they bored the smallplane. They find their seats in row
nineteen, which so okay, sorry, what moms with her? Yeah,
okay, they find their seats inRoe nineteen, which is the second to

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last row of the seats. It'sa three seat bench. Julianne takes the
window seat where she can see thesee the wing of the plane, and
her mother sits beside, and aman sits in the aisle seat. The
flight from Lima to Peculpa is onlyabout an hour and a half, and
after takeoff, the first thirty minutesgo by smoothly. All the passengers are

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in good spirits. The overhead bindsare packed with Christmas gifts for their families.
Twenty minutes into the flight, thepassengers are served a sandwich and a
drink, but shortly after the mealis cleaned up, ominous clouds appear in
front of the plane. In theblack box recording from the cockpit, the
pilots can be heard talking about theirChristmas plans and their families, and then

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they seem surprised when they see thestorm front approaching. But perhaps because of
the pressure to get people to theirdestinations before Christmas, the pilots do not
divert from their path and continue theirdescent to Peculpa, heading straight into the
massive storm. Mistake, it goesfrom bright daylight to utter darkness in seconds,

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and lightning flashes can be seen allaround them. Very quickly, violent
turbulence shakes the plane as if it'sa toy. People begin crying out as
the overhead bins open and spill theircontents onto the passengers and into the aisle.
Food trays and unfinished drinks began peltingpeople in their seats, and Maria

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tells Julienne, quote, hopefully thisgoes all right. Oh, I'm sorry,
get worse. Cue. Then Juliannelooks out her window and sees a
blinding white light over the right wingof the plane, followed by an explosion.

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Okay, she said. Time startedto pass very strangely. I bet
yeah, it could have been seconds. But after the explosion, she heard
her mother. This is just okay, I say it. I can't with
this. She heard her mother say, in a calm voice. Quote,
now it's all over. She wasspeechless. Now, okay, hold on,

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I gotta breathe. I gotta breathe, hold on, okay, in
a calm voice. That's that yousaid in a calm voice. And she
says the words. Now it's allover. And she's in a planet in
a storm, and she just knows, and she's the did she see the
explosion on the wing or did Idon't know if she saw it, but
Julianne definitely did because she was atthe window seat. Oh that, I

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mean, just the calm acceptance.I just can't even I mean, that's
chilling. It's so chilling. Imean, because there's nothing you can do.
Nought that line. I was justlike fucking fuck man, Like ooh,
but like the fact that she survives, and then she just remembers that
from her from her mom. Wow. To live with that, Wow,

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I know, like you would haveto think about it every day of your
life. I'm sure she does.Oh my gosh. Okay okay. Then,
as if in a dream, shefeels slash, hears the roar of
the engines as the plane takes anose dive. I'm so sorry. She's
looking down the aisle of the plane, hearing the other passenger screaming, and

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then what feels like a split secondlater, there's only silence and Julianne is
utterly alone. Oh that's eerie.In the technical calculations, it was estimated
that the nose dive could have lastedup to ten minutes. No m but
Julianne must have passed out, because, according to her memory, one second

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she's in the plane, the nextshe is still strapped to her seat,
but her mother is no longer besideher, and she's plummeting through the air
at ten thousand feet. I can'tbreathe, Abby, This is where I
need a break, because I shouldhave put it in a different spot.

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Wow and writing up. Wait,I'm sorry, she's she's conscious for a
split second while she's in the chairand falling in the sky. Yes,

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in the air? Would I wouldimmediately hope I would pass out? Yeah?
I like, can I actually thesplit speck, even the split second,
and just the memory associated with that, like you would have nightmares for
the rest of your life. Ifeel like I just like reliving that.
I just it might be worse tosurvive a plane crash. I mean,

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what do you think could be worse? Actually going down? Going down with
the plane, or being in theair falling through the sky. I don't
think I would want to be inthe air. I would want to I
want to I want to die instantly. Actually in either scenario, I don't
want to live. I want todie. I just want to die.

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Like instantly, I don't want tobe aware. I I just this is
the second story I've told where theperson because Vesna Vulovich, she also fell
from the sky like left the plane. Yeah, I mean, I mean
it makes sense that that happens,but the fact that you survived it doesn't

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make any sense. And it's justlike eerie because like you're you're still strapped
to something, but then you're stillalso not just in the contraptions that it's
just be it, there's okay wow, and also knowing nothing is going to
save you. You don't have aparachute. You just have to wait.
I don't like long falls. Idon't know how Nope, okay, okay,

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okay, am right? Are youokay, I'm alright. Nobody's okay,
but we'll continue anyway. Okay,I'm all right, I'm right,
Okay. In writing about this moment, can you imagine writing about oh my
god, like your memories? Okay, So this is Werner Hurtzog. He
would say, quote, she didnot leave the airplane. The airplane left

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her stuck the liners like these areas, she is falling. Julianne believes
she is going in and out ofconsciousness. I have got I hope that
also the air. She remembered theroar of wind in her ears, but
other than that, it was eerilysilent. It would be like loud and

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silent at the same time. Yes, like the silence would be so loud.
Oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah. In the moments she came to
during her plummet to earth, sheremembered the seat belt squeezing her plummet to
earth, just casually plummeting to earth, she remembered the seat belt squeezing her
so tightly that her stomach hurt andshe couldn't breathe. I imagine you couldn't

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breathe either, because the wind isjust up in your face so strongly.
This is too many details to remember. Yeah, So she pushes back,
she pushes back out, and whenshe comes I don't know what I meant
by that, she pushes back outout of What What did you mean,
Abby? I don't know. Isshe trying to adjust the seatbelt maybe anyway.

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But when she comes to, she'sstill falling, but she's upside down,
and she sees the dense canopy oftrees spinning towards her because remember they're
over the Amazon rainforest. She recalled. She recalled the tree tops looking like
broccoli, and she careened towards them, and then she passed out again.

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Oh that is unfair. Just haveme pass out and stay passed out,
like quit waking up during this.I don't want to. I went like
fall uh falls okay, okay.So she passes out again, and then
Juliane recalled vivid dreams after that.In her first dream, she was alone

(47:58):
in the darkness and the sound ofengines filled her ears. And the second
dream, she was covered in mudand felt the urgent need to bathe.
Well dreaming, she thought, butthat's easy. All you have to do
is get up, get up,just go to the bathtub. It's not
that far. In her dream,she decided to get up, and that's
the moment when Juliane wakes up inthe Amazon rainforest, utterly alone. The

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first thing she notices is that sheis lying underneath the row of seats that
she was once strapped to, buther seat belt is no longer fastened,
so she must have woken up atsome point and unbuckled herself. She's also
soaking, wet and covered in mudfrom the heavy rainfall. Juliane stays in
that spot for the whole day andnight, and when she wakes up the

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next morning, she feels a littlemore lucid and realizes what must have happened.
She was in a plane crash,and her mother, who was seated
right next to her, was nowhereto be found, and she is now
alone in the rainforest. How oldis she? I think she's seventeen sixteen
or seventeen sixteen or seventeen yea,how how do you survive that big of

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a fall? Young bones? Iguess I wouldn't just break apart like also,
I would just lay there for liketwo days, be like okay,
yeah, like I was hope hopefullyI die. I'll just chill, I
wake up. I just gotta figuresomething out. Wow. So Julianne tries
to stand up, but quickly fallsback down due to her severe concussion,

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and it's that this time that shebegins to take stock of the damage to
her body. Yeah, I wantto know. She realizes that her left
eye is swollen completely shut, andher right eye is swollen as well,
but she can still see out ofthe small slit. Oh that's terrible.
She feels around her collarbone area andrealizes her collarbone is broken. No,
no, yeah, somebody just toldme that they really don't like was it.

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Oh it was just when we weregetting tattooed, we were getting her
touch up, she was like,I really don't like collarbone stuff, and
I'm like, this is sorry forthe next time you listen to those.
I guess I get that though.Yeah. So she realizes her collarbone is
broken with this outush with the twopieces pushed on top of each other,

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although they didn't break through her skin, so I guess that's one good thing.
But like, I'm okay, so, like it broke like this,
oh ew, but it didn't breakthrough the skin, right ew? I
showed seante with my hands. YeahI didn't understand. Okay. Yes,
So she also has a deep,jagged gash in her calf about an inch

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and a half long, but oddlyit's not bleeding. What the heck?
Ow? I don't know, stranger. Still, Julianne says that during this
time she felt no pain from herinjuries. And I'm not sure how that's
possible, but I mean, Iwas gonna say adrenaline, but it's been
like two days. Yeah. Wow, she's gonna chalk that up to a

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nice positive and this terrible situation.Yeah, this it's bonkers that like she
all of her limbs aren't broken truly, like I would imagine at least one
broken arm. I'm pretty sure VesnaVulovich was like in a full body cast
like after her fall. So yeah, yeah, uh okay, So yeah,

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considering she fell from the sky atten thousand feet strapped to a seat
bench, I would say her injuriesare shockingly mild for what could have happened.
Yeah, I'm not like diminishing herpain or her injuries. That's colorbone.
Hello, extreme circumstances. It's stillcrazy. And she was just able
to get up and walk. Thatshouldn't happen. It's just nuts. As

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for the theories of why Julian wasable to survive intense fall, there's a
few. Due to the warm climateand intense thunderstorms, it is thought that
there may have been powerful updrafts whichwould have dramatically slowed her fall by pushing
her back. I mean, canbe really strong, so and the Amazon

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is probably the craziest place crazy weatherthere, so I could believe that.
Yeah. Another theory attributes her slowerdescent to the rows of the seats that
she was strapped to. Because shewas seated on the end, it is
thought that the row of seats mayhave acted kind of like a maple seed
does when it falls, you know, it spins. Yeah, and that

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can kind of slow the descent aswell. This theory is supported by Julian's
memory of seeing the trees spinning towardsher as she fell. Makes sense,
so yeah, like the propeller movementkind of slows it. The last theory
is that the dense network of vinesand the tree tops could have caught and

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slowed the fall of the seats andJulian, I mean that's done. It's
dense forest to get to the ground, so yeah, and all kinds of
vines and stuff. So yeah,but then again, like how you're hitting
everything. I guess, Yeah,the seat must have been really helpful.
I guess it was honestly, probablyjust a combo of all three of those,

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but we won't really ever know.And divine intervention truly. Oh and
a not so fun fact for you, this plane crash is the result of
the most deadly lightning strike in history. Ah, a lightning strike, So
a plane crash that was caused bylightning strikes specifically. Yeah, and I
said, don't worry. They buildairplanes to withstand lightning strikes these days,

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So thank you for mentioning that.Yes, you're welcome. That won't be
a problem for you, all right. So it takes a few attempts to
not blackout, but julian does eventuallymanage to stand up and attempt to call
out for other survivors, especially hermother. Oh, no response other than
the loud sounds of the rainforest.Oh and by the way, now it's

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Christmas, so merry fucking Christmas.Gosh, even though it is Christmas.
Unbeknownst to Julianne, the largest searchparty in Peruvian history is now underway for
the missing plane. There was someconfusion among the victim's family members whether the
plane had made an emergency landing somewhere, but with Lance's reputation, I think
people pretty quickly assumed that the planehad gone down. Yeah. Unfortunately for

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Julianne, though, it wasn't goingto be the search party that rescued her.
She was going to have to dothat herself. Of course. Now,
if I had woken up in themiddle of the rainforest. I would
have peeded myself and probably waited formy inevitable death, but not Julianne.
She looked around the dense green sceneryand felt a measure of comfort. This

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was the environment she had practically beenraised in. That's true, and her
parents had always instilled in her thepractice of calm and methodical thinking when in
nature. Genius of course. Ofcourse she's so knowledgeable and knows all the
plants, all the animals, allthe birds, all the dangers. Okay,
that's like, really, that's fortunate. I guess it's like a pretty

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solid leg up in this situation.Yeah. So it is at this moment
that Julianne begins to take stock ofher assets. In terms of clothing,
it's not great. First of all, she lost her glasses, not a
great start. She only had onesandal on and it's the slip on style,
so it's open in the back,but it is close toed, so

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yay something. She's wearing a thin, sleeveless mini dress, which is probably
super cute. She's seventeen and it'slike the seventies, not exactly rainforest friendly,
and I bet she's nailing it though. I bet she looks so cute
in that juggle. When she reachesaround, she feels that the zipper had

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bust open. Oh no. Whilefeeling around her back, she also notices
another wound on the back of herupper arm, which is about the size
of a dime. But it's aboutan inch deep. Ooh, but strangely
like her other cut, it's notbleeding. I just don't understand that is
happening. What don't know? Oh, I don't I really don't get.

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How do you have a wound notthat you just had from falling from the
sky out of a plane crash.That's not bleeding and it's a deep wound.
It's not like a little scratch.I don't know. I don't know,
man, maybe maybe the location I'mmagical being Yeah, uh, let's
see, okay. So thankfully,oh sorry, it wasn't bleed. Thankfully.

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Her head still felt super fuzzy,though, and she attributed this to
a concussion and would also later findout that she had a spinal injury as
well. Girl, and you're walkingin the forest, Yeah, she's just
like Tralala. So our girl hasa tidy dress on on one shoe,
but she has already made up hermind to get out of the rainforest alive.

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Julianne begins carefully exploring her surroundings andshe finds a bag of candy and
a Christmas cake Christmas cake, aChristmas cake. She takes a bite of
the cake. I think they callit a stole. It's like a traditional
Peruvian type of cake. Yeah.She takes a bite of the cake,
but it tastes awful after sitting inthe mud and rain, so she decides

(57:07):
to leave it behind, which shesays she later regretted, Yeah, that's
probably still eat it. Yeah.Luckily, though, there was plenty of
water she could drink just from likelicking the leaves right, so she would
be hydrated collecting rain water. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you can
go a lot longer with food.You gotta have water. Yeah, let's

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see. Oh, I was justgonna ask what your most nightmarish location would
be to wake up and with nosupplies. I think Minam would be the
desert. Honestly, you think thedesert. Yeah, I think it's just
harder to live without anything in thedesert. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,
like you're just so exposed, soit's like nothing's working for you.

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Yeah, or maybe the Antarctic,but then at least you probably die faster.
Oh did I Yeah, you justgave me an idea light bulb.
Stow that away. I hope Iremember it. Please, brain, remember
what I'm thinking about right now.Good luck. I know it's like a
very very slim chance. Okay,yeah me, uh an ocean doesn't count.

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Whatever environment that was a good one. I mean ocean? You the
ocean? Yeah, yeah, unlessyou can figure out somehow how to fish,
or or a cold uh something likeuh Alaska Antarctica type vibes. See.
I think I would prefer that becausethen at least you could just expose
yourself and die pretty quickly. Oh, I mean hypothermia versus like shriveling up

(58:40):
like a raisin in the sun.I think once better than the other,
preferable, but I don't know.Yeah, it's the like classic argument of
like hot or cold, dying dyinghot, dying cold cold every time?
For me? What about you,listeners, how do you feel about dying?
God? Something we make you thinkabout often when to the show.

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Okay, okay, Michael, doyou have one? Oh? Yeah,
ocean was the first one that cameto my mind. Yeah, that's a
good that's a solid one. Youget eight or just skin falls off,
or you just give up and drown. Yeah, yeah, okay. Anyway,
as Julianne explores her surroundings and callsout calls out for survivors, she

(59:22):
suddenly hears the sound of plane enginesoverhead and knows it must be the search
the search party, But the treesare too dnse for anyone to see her,
and soon the plane leaves the area. Yeah, that's probably like one
of the hardest places to search,I mean, because especially plane, I
mean you're looking down at like literallya blanket of trees, so you can't
really see the ground. Yeah.And if the plane didn't make a giant

(59:45):
dent or like crash, then yeah, it would just be swallowed up by
the trees. Yeah. Not longafter this, Julianne hears the sound of
trickling water and follows it to acreek where she can wash up and drink
some. The sight of running waterlifts her spirits because she knows that if
you can find fresh flowing water,you will eventually find people. Yeah.

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With this in mind, julian followsthe creek until darkness falls, and she
finds a place to sleep for thenight. Meanwhile, although it took some
time to reach Julian's father in theremote research station, he is finally informed
that his wife and daughter are missingafter the plane crashed somewhere in the rainforest.
It's terrible. At first, herefuses to believe it because he specifically

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told them not to board a Lanceof flight. I would be pissed.
Oh god, I mean, howdo you not like be somewhat mad at
the same time. But it's that'sjust that hurts. The agony of knowing
like I told you, not toolike, why didn't you lot to be
proven right? Oh? I hateit. You never want to be proven

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right on something like that. Notlike that. Uh so, but yeah,
so he he didn't think that theywould be. But then the next
day, the passenger list is readon the radio and his worst nightmare is
confirmed when Maria and Julian's names areread aloud. It is also announced that
a huge search is underway, butthe rescue team is coming up empty.
There had been so many false tipsand reports from the public that the government

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eventually mandated a media blackout except forofficial communications and anyone who was caught raising
the alarm would be arrested and interrogated. Wow yikes. Also, to add
to the tragedy, one of thefathers of a victim died trying to bring
the rescuer's food in a car accidentdue to bad roads and heavy rain.

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Oh sick, I know, God, everything's sad. So the next day,
December twenty sixth, Juliane wakes upand continues her trek along the creek
when she has a run in withmy nightmare, a giant bird eating spider
also known as a goliath bird eatertarantula. Ew. These motherfuckers? How

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do they exist? They're up totwelve inches with their legs span a foot,
and the females can live to betwenty five years old. Are you
they could rent a car? No? Why no, insect, I don't
care how big you are, shouldlive that long? Technically it's arac Well
that's disgusting. Yes, Oh whatis the universe thinking? Earth? What

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are you doing? Why? Why? Why isn't that like in Australia too?
Those big oh spiders huntsmen camel spiders? Is that the other one they
have? Probably? I have asick fascination with looking at things. That
will haunt me for the rest ofmy days. I literally can't like get
spiders. I literally had to googlethis spider just to look at it and

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be like no, just to belike trying to imagine like just squaring up
with a spider this bang. Iliterally can't do spiders in like bad graphics.
Video games. I can't even dodead spiders rolled up spiders, and
video games are the worst because it'sinteractive. I just can't do it.
Yeah, okay, So yeah,she's like on a creek. He's on

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the other side or she whatever thegener of the spider and they're just like
looking at each other. But that, I that's disgusting. I would have
passed away. Yeah, how doyou like shit your pants immediately and then
run the other direction rip, justlike accidentally running into that. No,

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okay, I'm try. It's alsoso dense, so like your eyes are
just overstimulated all of a sudden youland on I but like it's camouflage,
like I mean, until you're closeto it, you know. Oh my
gosh. So she comes up onthis spider and she says they just eye
each other and then cautiously just continueon their way. Never be able to

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make eye contact with a spider.They're just like looking at each other like
like eighteen eyes eight minus ten.But yeah, I mean, can you
just you're just like both looking ateach other like, hey, don't fuck
with me, and they're like,fine, don't fuck with me, and
you're like, okay with me.Then they're just cool. Wow, that's
tense, I know. So throughoutthe day she can hear planes circling overhead,

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which she must have just driven hercrazy at having help that close but
being completely unobtainable. That's mental torture, truly. On the third day after
the crash, Julian comes across thefirst piece of wreckage from the plane.
Oh, she's Oh, I didn'teven think she's not like near the plane.
No, Oh my gosh, okay, that's how far she flew away.

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Oh my gosh, okay, ablack and twisted up turbine lying near
the creek bed eerie. Seeing thissolidifies her whole understanding of what she's gone
through, because up until now shehadn't really seen any wreckage, so it's
just kind of like an oh shitmoment for her that yes, I did
survive a plane crash, right,it would be it would be like,
you're still like tripping the whole time, But then when you're validated by seeing

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something like that, it just makeslike, am I being dramatic? Did
I that was questioning yourself? I'dbe like, I mean dramatic, right,
I didn't survive a plane crash.I'm such a drama queen. Still
dreaming, right, yeah? Yeah. So. Julian then spends another night
sleeping in the open, and thenext day she hears the sound of a
king vulture flapping its wings. Ohso, She of course recognizes the sound

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after spending so much time with hermother, who made it her life's work
to study birds, and realizes thosegigantic birds usually only come around when there
is significant carrion nearby, meaning sheis likely about to stumble across some of
the passengers who didn't make it ooh. As she rounds the river Bend,

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her worst thoughts are confirmed when shesees a three seat bench just like hers,
only this one has been rammed threefeet deep, headfirst into the ground.
Horrifyingly, the passengers were still intheir seats, but their heads were
completely buried in the earth and theirlegs jutted up into the air. At
sickening angle. Logically, Juliane knewdeep in her mind that the female passenger

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in the seat couldn't be her mother, but she had to be sure.
She used a stick to turn thewoman's foot and saw that she was wearing
toenail polish, which her mother wouldnever wear, so it couldn't have been
her. Okay, that's just eerie, too, God, I can't even
So. She was horrified, andshe was saddened for these poor people,

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but she had no choice but tocontinue on her way. She saw a
few small pieces of wreckage, butno other people. The days begin to
pass in a haze as Juliane finishesoff the last piece of candy and has
no other way of procuring food withoutthe appropriate tools. If she had a
knife, there were things that shecould have cut open and eaten, but

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with no tools at all, Julianall she could do was drink as much
water as possible. On the fifthor sixth day, she finally followed the
creek until it led to a river. Was good news. The bad news
was that the river was choked withtons of logs and debris, which meant
that it was very unlikely any humanswere nearby. Since the humans would have

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cleared the waterway for travel. Sure, regardless, it was still a step
in the right direction, and Juliannebegan to walk along the shallow water along
the bank with a stick, pokingthe ground in front of her to scare
away the poisonous snakes, spiders,and sting rays. Wow, to still
have such a logical sound mine oflike doing the best of literally what little

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you have. Yeah, and she'sgrown up in this environment, so she's
aware of all the things that arein the water. Yeah, Like she's
seen people with stingrays, like stings, and it's not cute what happens if
you get stung by one. Soshe's been careful. But even the fact
that, like her concussion wasn't likebad enough, Like she's not that dizzy,
she's not like that. No,it's amazing gone. And she's also

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not eating right now. Oh mygosh, you're right, And she's doing
all this water fucking it's just andshe has one shoe. Let's also remember
that she's doing this barefoot. Oneshoe. Basically, Oh, I just
have a real thing about being barefoot. I can't do it, Okay,
So soon though, Julianne decides toswim to the deepest part of the river
and let herself drift with the rivercurrent instead of dealing with all the logs

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and debris. Yeah, I'd belike, I'm tired of walking, let
float me down. So this eliminatesthe worries of stingrays. But now she
has to look out for Cayman's,which are basically alligators. So the fun
never stops in the jungle. It'sa it's something. So julian floats until
it gets dark, and then sheswims to shore to find a place to

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sleep. And now that she hasrecovered from her concussion, she is no
longer sleeping deeply at night and insteadspends the hours swatting away the millions of
mosquitos and nats attempting to eat heralive. Oh my gosh, itchy sunburned?
Wait no, I guess no,she does get sunburned. Okay,
we'll cover that. Oh man,Okay. Sometimes she would get a break

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from the insects when the rains came, but that had its own drawbacks due
to how cold the rain was,which would leave the barely clothed Julianne freezing
and shivering during the long nights,julian would think endlessly of her mother and
wondered if she too could have survivedthe crash. Devastatingly, Julianne would later
learn that her mother, as wellas a few other passengers, had initially

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survived, but died from their injurieswaiting for rescue. Oh, I hate
that. I know. That's Sad'sso horrible because they just couldn't find them.
Ah okay. Julianne still periodically heardplanes overhead, but they never saw
her, even when she was swimmingin the river. She had been traveling

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for several days at this point,and while her cuts were their cuts weren't
bleeding and they but they didn't orthey didn't cause her much pain. She
could see that they weren't healing well. The on her calf had swollen immensely.
And she's also just an open dirtyriver water with these wounds. Yeah,
so her calf had swollen immensely.And when she oh, this is

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gross, I'm so sorry. Whenshe craned her head around to see the
cut on the back of her arm, she could see that horrifyingly, flies
headlaid eggs in the wound. Ohno, and I'm so sorry. For
everyone listening right now. That isa lot of people's gross Nope, Michael
shaking his head. We're not dealingwith this. It's not literally maggots in
her cut. Oh my god,Abigaila, it's a five out of five

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on the bark chort warf Chory forgotthe about the dwarf dart who you're really
bringing bringing it all? Okay?Sorry, this is her life. Wow,
what a story. Okay. Andbecause of where it's ad there's like
really nothing she can do about it. The angle is to like you can
swap them the way. No,now she just has to walk around knowing

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that they're in her body. Thatis so disturbing. Oh god, Okay,
And of course the problems don't stopthere. It's now been eight or
nine days in the jungle and Julianneis getting pretty weak from the lack of
food. I would be so upset. She drinks tons of dirty river water
to fill her stomach, but movementis becoming really difficult. Luckily, floating

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in the current of the river alleviatesa lot of the movement, but the
hours in the hot sun have burnedher back so severely it's bleeding. Oh
god. She just really yeah,that sun ain't ain't no South America,
son no no. Julianne soon growsdelirious and spends her time dreaming of food

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while she floats, hardly noticing theCaymans that dive into the water at the
sight of her. Oh none botherher though, and on the tenth day,
she crawls out of the river asthe sun begins to set and rests
on the river bank. Juliane cracksher eyes open and hardly believes what she
sees. A boat. She seesa fucking boat sitting on the bank.

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Oh okay. At first, shethinks she's hallucinating yeah, but quickly realizes
it's real. She looks around andnotices a trail leading away from the river.
It takes every ounce of strength shehas left, but Juliane picks herself
up and follows the trail. Ittakes her hours, but she follows the

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trail to a small hut. Insideshe finds a boat, motor and a
can of gasoline. O. Andbecause she's a smart cookie, yeah,
julian knows if you pour gasoline intoa wound infested with maggots, oh,
they crawl out. So what doyou think she does. Oh it's smart.
Oh, but that burns. I'msure it can't feel good. So

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this badass teenager pours gasoline into heropen wound. Wow. She said it
was super painful because the this isgross. The gas made the insects burrow
deeper initially, but then they eventuallystarted to come to the surface, and
she removed thirty of them get outof town. Unfortunately, that was far

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from all of them, but shewas too tired to continue her home surgery
and decided to go to sleep.Oh my gosh, that's so gross feeling
them crawl out of you horrifying.Literally, I can't do it. I
almost didn't even write about it,but I was like, you got it.
It's just it's that disturbing. It'sso intense, Like it's her story.
I'm sorry, I mean, butshe went through it, so I

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mean she got you gotta know herstory. Yeah, that's good, Okay.
So she goes to sleep. Shefound a tarp to wrap herself in
and had the best sleep she hadexperienced in days. Wow. The next
day, Julianne contemplates taking the boatto continue her travels, but being the
selfless person she is, she couldn'tbear the thought of stranding some other poor

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person in the jungle. Top.You're being way too nice. You literally
are the sole survivor of a planecrash. I would take that immedia.
She decides against it. She doesn'twant to steal her sweet little innocent hard
I know she's such a good person. She spends the day trying to convince

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herself to keep going, but failsand instead decides to take the day to
rest and push on tomorrow. Sheeven tries to catch frogs to put something
at her belly, but she's growntoo weak to catch any. As the
sun begins to set, Juliane sitsalone in the hut and jumps up as
she hears the most beautiful sound humanvoices. And I'm just gonna like leave

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us on a cliffhanger and take abreak, right, Okay, we're back,
she hears human voices. She againwonders if she is hallucinating, but
quickly realizes she isn't. When threemen come walking out of the forest,

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I just be screaming and joy,I know they all recoil at the sight
of her. She must have lookedpretty bad, a little rough, but
Juliane immediately began speaking to them inSpanish, saying, quote, I'm the
girl who was in the Lanza crash. My name is Julianne. Oh my
gosh. The three men turned outto be forest workers named Beltrand Paradise,

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Carlos Savasquez and Nestormasufin. Sure sosorry, good job. They quickly recovered
from their shock of seeing a halfdead, blonde white girl in the middle
of the rainforest and began tending toher wounds and giving her some food to
eat. Oh good, Oh mygod, I just collapse. I would
collapse if I saw people. Ithe relief. I can't even imagine the

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relief. Julianne soon learned that thesearch for the plane had been suspended after
all hope of survivors was gone,and she was the sole survivor of the
crash. Wow. Two more menarrived, named Don Marcio and Don Amato.
It was quickly decided that the twoDawns would take julian by boat to
the village of Turna Vista the nextmorning. That night, they removed about

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fifty more maggots from her shoulder wound. My god, how can that be?
It? Just wow? I don'tknow, that's disgusting. Oh to
be the doctor, I mean,I guess I just yep. That takes
a special person to do that badfor everyone involved. They gave her the
only mosquito net they had to sleepin, which it's very nice of them.

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The next morning, the three travelalong the river, which Julianne finds
out is completely uninhabited and learns shenever would have made it out on her
own. WHOA. So the luckof just stumbling across these people and that
hut and that boat, like wow. Even more miraculous was the news that
the men almost didn't go to thehut, but one of them had convinced

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the others that they needed to checkon their boat. Wow, it's just
a lot of crazy coincidences that it'swild. Several hours but the three made
it to turna vista, where thewomen and children recoil in horror at the
side of Julianne. She's like,why I would feel bad? I'm like,
I sorry, I know it looksso bad. I look like shit.

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She learns that her eyes are completelyred from blust burst blood vessels.
Yeah, so even her irises arered. So these poor people are probably
like, what demon did you bringback from the forest. Yeah, that
would look really creepy, real creepy. Julianne is finally given some basic medical
care by a nurse in Tuna Vista, and then proceeded to get on another

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airplane to go to Yarncotcha, whereshe can receive more advanced medical care.
The pilot is an American woman namedJerry Cobb, who informs julian that she
was trained astronaut and would be perfectlysafe with her. And I look up
that. I looked up this womanand she's super fucking impressive, like the
most random people just pop into thecity. Actually an astronaut. Yes,

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so she did train with other womento be an astronaut. Although she never
went to space, she did becomea NASA consultant and was nominated for the
Nobel Peace Prize for her humanitarian workin South America. Wow, among a
bunch of other crazy cool stuff,Like she was just super there's just a
bunch of impressive women in this story. Yeah, bad ass women. I
mean, if you want anyone tobe flying a plane for you after that,

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it would be someone from NASA trainedastronaut. Yes. Please. So
anyway, she gets flown by Jerryand arrives safely and sound, where she
receives more medical treatment and asks fora chicken sand which which she receives and
it is the best chicken sandwich she'sever had. It didn't take long for
the news of Julianne's miraculous survival storyto spread, and soon the media were

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swarming. But luckily, the newshad also or well, I don't know
if it's lucky, but the newshad also reached her father, who came
to her as quickly as he could. Wow, that'd be some crazy news.
Can't imagine that reunion? Oh mygod, so intense. And the
other thing is like they're German,they're very like at least he's like very
stoic, so sure, yeah,it's a she the way she describes it

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is, he's not very emotional.But so he got there. He looked
at her and asked, how areyou doing? And she said good,
I mean yeah, what do yousay? What do you say? And
then they just held each other.Oh, yeah, that's what you do,
julian said. At this point,she still hadn't allowed herself to feel
super strong emotions. I imagine shewas still in shock. Yeah, but

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yeah, She describes her father sostoic and not super emotional, and she
was always closest with her mother.She was of course relieved to be with
him, but it was usually hermother that she depended on for like emotional
So yeah, he eventually asked abouther mother, but was saddened to hear
that julian didn't know what happened toher. Julianne was questioned about the location

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of the crash site, and shewas able to give some direction, which
ended up leading to the discovery ofthe rest of the wreckage. On January
eighth, the first twenty corpses werefound, but it's an arduous task as
the wreckage and remains were spread outover two miles. Wow. Apparently the
findings were so gruesome that the coroneronly stayed for about fifteen minutes before ordering

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the recovery of the victims and leaving. And this was only the first of
several fuck ups in the care,recovery and identification of the victims. That's
unfortunate. Yeah, I won't gotoo deep into it, but things definitely
could have been handled better. Thebodies were moved to an empty warehouse and
peculpa for identification where Julian's father visiteddaily in hopes of identifying Maria. Oh,

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Julian describes his quiet but intense wayof dealing with all of this,
And it's just really sad because it'sso obvious that Maria was like the love
of his life. I just can'teven imagine true, that's such a sole
mate. Yeah. Yeah. Atone point he did ask to why did
the two of you have to takethat lance of flight? Oh, she's
just so hard, like she's alreadyfeeling guilty, and yeah, that's pressuring

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her because she kind of pressured hermom into that flight. Yeah. Oh,
I bet she regrets that every day. Yeah. Meanwhile, her father
is also fending off all the mediafrom Julienne, who has become a celebrity
now and everybody wants photos and interviewsfrom her. Gosh, what a what
a thing to deal with on topof everything. Right on, Julie or
sorry, Julian. On January twelfth, Julianne's father returned to her with the

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news that he had finally identified Maria'sremains, and in the process had to
fight off a journalist who tried totake photos of her body. Oh that's
not just tasteful respect. Even wherestill was the fact that he still wasn't
a one hundred percent sure it washer, because this is graphic. Most

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of her head had been missing.Oddly, he found that her remains were
not badly decomposed, and it wasthought that she had survived the crash.
Initially, it doesn't really explain howher head, I was going to say,
but without a head, I know. So it's all very strange and
not surprising that Juliane's father began tokind of obsess over what happened to her.

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I can see, I can seehow yeah spiral in that way,
and just like were those her remains? Like, just so much doubt and
anxiety over it even still. OnJanuary fourteenth, the funeral was held,
but Julian couldn't attend due to herinjuries, and then Maria's body was sent
back to Germany for burial. Juliannedid her best to maintain a normal life

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in Peru, but the media plaguedher constantly, and her father eventually decided
to send her to live in Germanywith her family. This hurt Julian deeply,
but she would eventually see the wisdomin his decision. When she got
older in Germany, she was treatedfor her for more injuries, including hepatitis
from drinking all that dirty river water, and she soon recovered and began studying

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biology at the University of Kiel,which is where her parents both studied.
I know. Julian graduated in nineteeneighty and went on to earn a doctorate
from Ludwig Maximilian University in Munich,but she never forgot about her beloved Peru
and returned there to study bats,which was what she based her thesis on.

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Her father would eventually leave his cherishedresearch station in Peru as well and
returned to Germany, where he passedin November of two thousand at the age
of eighty six. After his passing, Julianne picked up the research station Torch
and became determined to make that chunkof land a nature reserve protected by the
government from deforestation and hunting. Amazingly, she achieved her goal and the area

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was granted a nature reserve in twentyeleven. Yes in nineteen eighty nine,
julian married the love of her life, Eric Diller, a scientist specializing in
parasitic wawps. Just a batch madein heaven. It's just like her parents,
like a couple of biology nerds.I just love it. So Juliane

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had never gone to therapy to dealwith her trauma of her accident, oh
no. But when Werner Herzog reachedout to her in nineteen ninety eight with
the pitch to make a documentary aboutthe plane crash, julian decided to go
for it, and it ended upworking through a lot of her trauma along
the way. Yeah, I betthe documentary is a little heavy handed at
times in my opinion, but itis super interesting to see Julianne as a

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grown woman, return to the crashsite. Also, Werner Herzog makes them
travel the same route she took ina similar plane, where she was asked
to sit in the same seat androw as the doomed lance of flight.
Okay, I'm sorry, that's alittle much, right, and I would
be like, I decline. That'swhy I say disreflectfully, it's a little

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heavy handed. This is some ofhis early work. He was still a
little traumatic boundaries. Yes, sheas they fly over the side of the
crash, she's asked to describe everythinglike what she went through. I mean,
you can tell it's very emotional forher, like, oh, I
just I mean to talk about itfor probably the first time in forever and

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have that be recorded is one thing. And then also having her literally live
out the exact situation is just inthe same seat, in the same row.
It's a lot, oh sweetie.Once they locate the crash site in
the jungle, the crew begins unearthingwreckage that was never removed from the forest.
It's eerie, yep, and theyshow it in the documentary, so

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that's pretty creepy. They find manythings that are still remarkably well preserved,
including the emergency exit door, arow of three seats, a coin purse
with old coins still inside, alarge section of the side of the plane,
and a high heel from a woman'sshoe. I hate the human stuff.
I hate it, I know,but that sounds like big hunks of

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Yeah, there's huge hunks of thatplane just chilling in a jungle. Yeah.
Oh no, it's wild to me. They didn't take it out.
Yeah, why wouldn't they want that? It's just like that grown over,
Like they're just like pulling up hugechunks of the plane. It's crazy.
Oh, Julian takes all of thisin while being absolutely swarmed by mosquitos,
and she doesn't she doesn't even reactto these mosquitos. It is wild to

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watch her in the documentary. She'sliterally covered in them on her face and
she's just like unbothered. Wow.So Werner Herzog has her show him the
creek she followed to the river,and then the documentary ends with Julian visiting
the memorial constructed for all ninety onevictims who lost their lives that day in

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the rainforest. In twenty eleven,Julian would finally write and publish her fascinating
memoir, which I highly suggest youall read. And in the dedication she
writes, quote for my mother whodedicated her short life to the birds of
Peru, and who has torn,who was torn much too soon from my
side. And that, folks,is the incredible story of Julian and Coca.

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Wow. That was pretty intense,abby but well done. Well done.
What a badass woman. Why Iknow it's just oh Anettehurfkins was the
other blonde Vestna Volovich and a NetHurfrikins. Those are the other two stories
they did. Both blonde ladies thatis wild, had no idea, there
was a pattern there and European.They're all European. Wow. Yeah,

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so razy it. I mean,she really fucking turned it around and me
the best of her life. She'slike, I'm gonna save the rainforest.
Wait. Oh my god, shedid it. What an amazing person.
Yeah, it's wow. It's sucha good i mean horrible and good story.
Yeah, you're right, but youdid it well. Thank well done,
thank you. Oh my god.What do we do after that?

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You want me to talk? Nowyou talk? Oh my gosh. Well,
well, I don't know. Whatdo we do City of the Week.
Yeah, let's do that. Okay, and that goes to Beaverton,

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Oregon, Oregon. We're back inOrgon. Hey, way to represent fam.
Thanks for listening. We see you, We hear you. Hello.
Yeah, it's about time at OregonCity represented. Yeah. That's nice.
Home turf, home turf cool.Thanks Beaverton. We appreciate to use Shana.
What are you watching? What areyou listening to? Oh my god?

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Okay, well I'm still not donebecause I'm really trying to draw this
out, but I'm still in lovewith the show The Crown. Oh yes,
which is on what Netflix? Yes? Oh my gosh, because they
did the last seasons like the Dianaepisodes, and boy did I bawl my
eyisode during those episodes. I waslike all episode long, I was just
like, I don't have any control. I'm bawling my eyes out. It

(01:28:55):
was so well done. Highly recommend. I don't know why I haven't seen
that show. I know I wouldlove it. I mean it is a
slow start, but it got reallygood. I'm always been interested in the
royal stuff. But yeah, yeah, and Diana's stories. The Diana,
Yeah, yeah, she looks specificallyjust like her. It's wild but very
well made. And I there's onlya few episodes left and it's the final

(01:29:15):
season and I'm trying, like Idon't want to finish it. Oh then
you'll be done. But what aboutyou? Michael and I have been watching
Halo. It's a show about thevideo game. I was gonna say,
okay, yeah, and books.Michael has problems with the accuracy. Sorry,
he takes his helmet off a lot. I guess that's a no no,
kind of like the Mandalorian. Buthe shouldn't be taking his helmet off

(01:29:40):
as much as he is. It'sfrivolous, reckless, reckless. Yeah,
that show is fun. And thenwe're also they did a live action of
The Avatar, which was, youknow, a series, huge animated series
cartoon that was very popular. Welove that show live action. So far,
I we've only seen one episode,but it has been very well done

(01:30:02):
and I appreciate it. Everything's turninginto live action. Oh yeah, and
it's always a series, like that'show they stretch out their money. Now,
sure, yeah, make it ashow not a movie. You know,
you're right. We're doing the samething with Harry Potter. You're so
right. Wow, how things change. Lord of the Rings like all of
it, that's so right. Lordof the Rings came out. Yeah.
Wow, they're just like, we'regonna milk this for all it's worth,

(01:30:24):
really milk it. But honestly,it's kind of nice, especially if it's
coming from a book because the movieis never enough, like they have to
condense it so much, right,and they can probably be more accurate because
it's like eight episodes, so that'slike eight hours instead of you know,
three, Yeah, exactly, sohopefully that will be for the better.
But yeah, that's what we're watching. So there's that cool. Cool,

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Well, wow, Okay, well, I guess next time we record,
I'll be back from Mexico safe andsound, safe and sound, very tan,
very refreshed, very fresh, nodangerous, ready to move probably.
Oh yeah, I see you aboutthat. What a thing to come back
to do after a vacation. Well, I apologize. I did a plain

(01:31:06):
story before. You're playing flight.But it's gonna be okay, and you're
gonna have the best time in Mexico. It's gonna be fine. I know
I'm gonna be fine. I'm alittle I'm a little dramatic. I mean,
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