Episode 109: The Constipated Lumberer And A Really Busy Guardian Angel (Louis Zamperini-WWII Survivor, Part I))

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That walker toy Feo has if youjust like if it's turned on and you
just slightly walk past it and makesa galloping horse, which feels targeted,
and I take it personally. Helloyou guys, welcome, Welcome. I'm

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happy and I'm Shauna and this isAnxious and Afraid the podcast The Glorious Return.
You're bad. I have had timeto move. Yes, thank you
for giving me time. She isall moved and I'm getting subtle things are
crazy. Yeah, it's such abeautiful house too. Oh thank you?

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Really is all I'm gonna move in? Please do? I want all of
your help with everything? Actually,so they're like, yeah, but it's
not free. You're gonna have towork for it. Fair right, So
welcome back. We are back.And we usually ask each other why we're
anxious. So what's been going onwith you? If you want you anxious?

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What made me anxious? Well?I think it was the same as
the last time. But sure,the dentist. It's the dentist again,
Like update, I went to thatspecialist and they're like, yeah, you
have a jaw infection, a wholejaw infection, just like a cute little
john infection, not even just atooth, but a whole jaw infection.
Well, it's like I had aroot canal done and I think they honestly

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botched it pretty good because I don'tthink they ever really cleaned out the full
like infection from like why I neededthe root canal, So it's always been
kind of a weird tooth. Andthey finally were like, huh, that
looks weird, and so then Iwent in and they're like, yeah,
there's a pretty good infection going onin there. I'm like sweet. So
basically, since like I got thatdone in like twenty six so it's just

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been like percolating up there and sobasically I have to get my root canal
redone. I'm so sorry, whichI am. I was very proud of
myself and I was very brave,and I was like, I have to
anxiety high dentists i've ever met before. You seem nice. I have a

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lot of anxiety. I have alot of dental anxiety, specifically poor thing.
Yeah, and he like was reallynice about it, and he like
patted me on the shoulder and hewas like, oh, We're going to
take care of you. And Iwas like thank you. And they're giving
me some anxiety meds for the procedure, which I've never taken these before.
So if anyone has any experience withhelsyon, let me know. I'm very

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curious to see how you react.I don't know what to expect because,
like you read online, they're like, yeah, it's like temporary amnesia or
something short term memory loss. I'mlike that sounds so sketch. I'm like,
I don't know how to feel.You're going to turn into dory and
never remember like anything. I'm alreadyhalfway there. I don't need that much
help. So yeah, they're like, you have to take a pill the

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night before, which I don't understand, and then one like an hour before
the procedure, and I've already hadto move this appointment back because I also
might have jury duty on the sameday. Ah, that's going on for
you, that's right. Yeah,as the procedure was supposed to be and
I like forgot about it and thenit was too late to cancel it,
and so I might not even havejury duty. I have to call to

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find out. Because it was fun. Yeah, so much fun. I'm
actually one of the weird people thatdoesn't hate jury duty. I wish I
would actually get picked. I meanI have been picked before, but it's
never like fully gone to trial.But I think that would be really I
got picked. I've been asked afew times. Well one time I got
out of it because I just hadRylan, so I use that excuse.

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Yeah, but yeah, and I'mscared. I'm scared for some reason do
it. It was really fun liketo go through the experience and actually get
like picked as well. Actually Itried to get out of it as juror.
I didn't want to because I thinkwe were going on a trip or
something, and I was like,this is terrible timing, even though I
would love to be on a jury. And I was like, I don't
trust the police, and They're like, we pick you, Pikachu, and
I was like, damn it.I was really thought that was gonna work

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for me because like all of thewitnesses were cops, right, So now
there's just a bunch of cops outthere that think I don't trust them,
Well, what are you gonna do? So anyway, that's what I have
going on. What about you?I mean I already mentioned the house.

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We're feeling subtle. That's good.They're spiders coming out, which is not
my vibe. So I'm like,no, I don't. They're like the
big jumping spiders too. Again,those ones, as we've discussed, I
don't hate as much. You thinkyou're crazy and you think they're cute somehow.
They're kind of cute. They're kindof furry. If you see how
clothes they got, like a littlefurry. They are thick. They are

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a solid dot of spider and it'sdisgusting how they move. I have a
picture to show you of a realspider that is living outside of our house
right now. That is like bigenough to eat a small fish. I'm
pretty sure it is just huge.She is thick. She's an absolute unit.
It's a unit. It's not fair. But they call them common giant

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house spiders because they need like abetter name. They need a name.
It's like what it looks like youit feels like we're in Australia because like,
I'm never gonna go because they havelike actual bird eating spiders. Yeah,
that's how you feel about Australia aswell. I'm like, oh man,
it's so beautiful. I would loveto go there. And then you
just you're like, oh wait,they have like scorpions and huge spiders and
like poisonous snakes, and it's justalways trying to kill you. I think

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all the pictures you see of likethings in the bathroom and the toilet,
I'm just no, that's nightmare.Feel So anyway, I'm gonna show you
a picture Elier that might make youthrow up. I would prefer if you
forgotten didn't show me, So hopefullythat works out for me. See that's
so minuscule. But I mean Idon't know too many things. You have

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a lot going on. I thinka lot going on to I don't know
how to pick. I think movingis good enough. Yeah, I just
wish life would let me deal withone thing at a time. And you
know life is just like no,how about like five things, and like
some of them are really negative,Like okay, that's fine, love that
for me, Love that for me. And the timing of everything that's just

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like my theme of the like lasttwo years. Yeah, it is like
the literal worst timing for literally everythingthat's happened. You are the poster child
for when it reads it pours.I really am and I'm really tired of
it. I really could use abreak. Universe. Yeah, but I'm
good. Things are good. I'mglad we're back. Everything's fine. I'm
not laughing crying. No, he'sfine, But it's funny. We gotta

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segue over to something we gotta takecare of, don't we abby. Yeah,
because we got this email a whileago, like when we were first
like, oh man, we're notgoing to be recording for a bit because
I gotta move. Yeah, butwe remembered this email, so we got
to mention it. Yeah, becausewe have a shout out to give.
Sorry it took so long to happen, but shout out to Kimmy from B

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and thank you James and Fam foremailing us. Yes, that's a fun
little rapport. We got to talkto someone. They're from well, James
and Fam are from uh Merseyside,Yes, UK, UK, you guys,
UK. You guys are far awayfrom us and you're listening to us.

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It still boggles my mind. TheMotherland reaching out Queen's Land. Yes,
but wow, Kimmy and B thankyou for listening. We know about
you. Is that weird we're talking? Isn't it weird? Home slice,
Like we're just talking at you,just like in my house. I hope
you guys are doing great all hangingout. Yeah, I hope things are

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good. Hopefully everything is. Youknow, there's been no dramatic events in
the last month that we've been gone, So shout out to you, thanks
for listening. And I'm just gonnagive a shout out to Heather because she
was just at my house. Ohhigh, Heather, Hi, Heather,
hig friend. She brought a cutelittle baby over and we got to hang
out for a bit ketchup. That'sawesome. Yeah, are we ready?

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Ew? I know so Abby,You're so gracious and you're taking your turn
again. Oh right, yeah,you guys did already have to hear from
me. But I'm bad. Welove you. It's like I don't care
because I love you so much inall of your stories. So let's go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, so I guess we're
doing it. Let's let's go.We're getting in. I know, I

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say I have a doozy of astory a lot, but it's only because
they're certified doozies. Like we canall agree, right, yeah, so
this isn't going to be any different. In fact, it is so wild
though, I'm gonna have to makethis a two parter. Wow, just
like our first two parter since returning. Yeah, of course it's you.

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I mean, I'm excited, weall, I'm verbos. I can't stop.
The typing is over the top.You wouldn't want this to be one
part. We would all grow old. No, I love the details.
Okay, I'm just so excited becauseit's kind of been hyped, and so
I'm like, what is this topic? It's kind of ben Honestly, I
was trying to look it up.I haven't seen it done on a ton

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of podcasts, so that's kind ofcool. So hopefully this isn't a super
well known story for everyone, becauseI think that's always fun when it's like
new and fresh. Okay, sostrap in for a wild ride. Let's
let's do this. So today Iwill be telling the incredible story of Louis
Zamparini. Nope, nope, shakingher head blank, look on her.

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Is it an Italian name? Yes? Okay, I'm going to really struggle
with this because it's spelled like Louisbut pronounced Louis. So excuse me forgive
you. Yeah, it might happen. We you know, it's okay,
Okay, So I mean, Ihadn't heard of this sky or the story
before I got a book recommendation,like, you know, popped up on

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like the you know, I don'tknow books, so I don't know.
Okay, well, like when you'rewatching reels and it's like, hey,
you might like this, you know, sure, but like on the topic
of books, yes, what aworld I don't know. So I got
this pop up and I was like, okay, let's check it out.
And then I was like, wow, the story is like insane, So

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of course I write a book whendo I not? And I thoroughly enjoyed
it. It's called Unbroken, aWorld War two story. Of course,
you love the history. I knowit. It's sorry, a World War
story. World War two story.It's so hard to say. It's that
is a really hard word. Itreally is of survival, resilience, and

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redemption by Laura Hillenbrand. And funfact, she also wrote Seabiscuit. Oh
so she's like a horse, right, Yeah, I watched the movie.
Yeah it was a movie okay,with what's his name, Tobey Maguare the
Og spider Man. Yes, thatwas a long time ago too, truly.

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Yeah, okay, all right,so it's a really good book.
Can't recommend it enough. Go buyit, Go go read it. It's
great. Okay. So the storyor the title of the story did just
give some bits away. We knowthat this is during World War Two.
Surprise prize. I'm doing another WorldWar two story and it's also a survival
story. And just to what yourwhistle, I'm gonna give you a couple

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more keywords from part one to lookforward to Olympics. M airplanes okay,
sharks. No, I can't doboth. It's one or the other.
I know. That's what I'm tellingyou. Like strap in, I'm scared,

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Okay, strap Okay, let's begin. I don't like things over the
ocean. This is like all ofour fears, like wrapped into one insane
story. Okay. On January twentysixth, nineteen twenty and Oleen, New
York, an eleven and a halfpound baby named oh no, I know,
let's do a moment of silence forhis mother. Eleven and a half

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pound baby named Louis Zamperini was bornto Italian parents Anthony Zamperini, and his
mom's name is Louise. So,like, guys, you were killing me
with the I mean, it makessense. Louise and Louie. So Louise
Dossi Anthony, the father had beenliving on his own since fourteen. He

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used to be a boxer and acoal miner, and then he became a
construction worker. Louise was sixteen whenshe married and eighteen when Louis was born.
She would have four children total,two boys and two girls. Louis
was an adventuress, spicy child.I have one of those. And Louis
escaped the apartment any chance that hegot, which escaped the apartment? Just

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escape a toddler on the run.The family moved to torn California when Louis
was young. They moved into ashack with no running water in a leaky
roof. Not great, So Louisdidn't stop his escape habits. He left
the house any chance he got.No terrifying. I know. I'm like,
please, don't let this be foryou. It's trajectory, especially this

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next part. So at five,Louis started smoking. No, he'd pick
up old cigarette butts while walking tokindergarten. What a sentence, I mean,
what a different time one hundred yearsago? Wow, walking to kindergarten
just on his own, just pickingup. I mean, the doctors used
to recommend smoking cigarettes. That's howcrazy. What a wild time, but

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oh that's young. Yeah. Andthen at eight he started drinking, grabbing
wine glasses off the table and drinkingthem under the table. Sneaky. Yeah.
He had many accidents as a kid. He had to have his finger
sewn back on by the neighbor.He impaled his leg on bamboo. He
tried to scale an oil rig andfell into the oily water, coating himself

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in black oil and nearly drowning.That's terrifying mm hmm. But his mischip
didn't stop there. Louis began stealingfood from neighbors and local businesses by picking
locks and helping himself. Wow,no fear, not at all. He
was caught several times, but hewould always run to get away. He
also began running scams at a veryyoung age to make money. Wow.

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He found out that some adults wouldgive kids a quarter if they were fighting
to get them to stop, sohe made a deal with another boy to
stage fights so that they could makemoney. I mean, it's a really
clever, smart kid, but dang, yeah, can you imagine being this
kid's parent, like, oh,what a nightmare. My hair would go

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white, Like he just comes homeone day with his finger sewn back on
by the neighbor, Like what happenedtoday? Right by? First of all,
yeah, what's that story? Becausewhy the neighbor and not a doctor?
Well, I think because they werejust really poor. Yeah in the
nineteen twenties. Yeah, you're you'reright. So they're like, well,
he knows how to sew a life, Okay, obviously I can't imagine.

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It was said that he was onlyscared of one thing airplanes. Oh I
get you, boom h. Apilot took him up for I know,
I'm sorry boeing his fan now,but like that was like tin cans flying
around like it had a paper.My god. So a pilot took him
up once, and the speed andthe altitude like terrified him, and he

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was just like, I mean it'sunnatural. Yeah, especially at that moment.
It's like flight isn't like as commonobviously, and they were like open
air usually, like you didn't haveterrified closure closure, seatbelts anything anything.
So Louis was confident, he wascapable and clever, with a certainty that

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he would succeed at whatever he puthis mind to, but he small for
his age and due to about withpneumonia, he struggled with exertion, as
his lungs hadn't fully recovered. Healso struggled with racism. When his family
moved to California, the neighbors wereso disgusted with Italians that they petitioned the
city to keep them out, butthey failed. Uh, but I mean

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the weight of that still like hungon the family, like your neighbors.
Yeah, white people are not chillracism. I mean not that it's not
rampant now, but like back inthe day, I feel like everyone just
was racist against everyone, like likeKaren times ten so openly, very open,
just to every single race that wasslightly different than you. Yeah,

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it's it's just icky, so gross. It's so icky, especially like a
country founded on like supposedly openness andeveryone's just racist. It's the whole thing
is contradictory and oxymoronic. Right isthat the right term? Probably, but
just the opposite of what we say. Yeah, so he got to struggle

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with that, poor kid, Imean, the whole family, did you
get it? Not great? Hewas also bullied in school in his teens,
he fell into a tough crowd andbegan training to defend himself from lessons
from his dad, who was like, you know, a former boxer,
that's right. As he got older, his temper became short and hot,
and Louis was becoming a menace.He fought constantly and committed petty crimes,

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and as a teen he grew largerand the bullies began to fear him.
While in high school, in nineteenthirty one, Louis broke in to his
school and he stole tickets to theupcoming sports game, and like, in
like a robin Hood move, hejust started giving the tickets away. He
has like so cool moment. Yeah, there's a bit of a robin Hood

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quality to him. He was eventuallycaught and sent to the principal's office,
where he was punished by being forforbidden to like participate in any sports teams
or activities. So Loui's brother Petefound out and convinced the principle that Louis
craved attention but only ever got itby getting into trouble. So maybe if
he could play sports and accomplish somethingpositive, you know, he would focus

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your energy on that yeah type thing, I turn it around, sure,
and it worked. Louis was madeeligible for sports in nineteen thirty two.
He idolized his big brother, Pete, who graduated with ten varsity letters for
being in track and field. Yeah. His brother set the school's mile record
at five minutes and five seconds.WHOA, I know. I'm like,

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I've only ever run the mile ineight minutes because I was told if I
didn't, I would have to runit again, so which didn't make any
sense. But you had to runin eight minutes or do it again.
You and I've never gotten a bettertime. I barely ran on those mile
runs. They sucked. I'm nota runner. I don't understand it.
Okay, So Pete became determined tomake his Louie a runner. He worked

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hard to train with Louie, andsoon he began to win races. That
summer, Louis did almost nothing buttrun until it became his obsession. He
gave up drinking and smoking and beganpracticing holding his breath at the local pool
until he could hold his breath forthree minutes and forty five seconds. WHOA,
that's that's so long. That's reallyimpressive. I feel like, if

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I could get to thirty seconds,that would be super impressive, but I
probably died before then. Even aminute, I think is impressive. So
after he beat everyone in his ownage bracket, he began competing at colleges
and beating them all by like alot. Wow. In nineteen thirty four
Track and Field Championship, so sorry. In the championship, Louie smashed the

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national high school mile record at fourminutes and twenty three seconds. Wow.
And that record would stand for nineteenyears. Dang. He became a celebrity
and was regularly in the newspapers.People would cram into the stands like just
to watch him train. Wow.And he had his eyes set on the
grandest prize, the Olympics. Sothere was the nineteen thirty six Olympics in

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Berlin, and in nineteen thirty sixhe would be nineteen years old. Can
you imagine going to the Olympics atnineteenineteen That's wild. So he trained obsessively
with his brother, who's also atthis point a track star in his own
right. There wasn't a mile runin the Olympics to compete for, but
there was the fifteen hundred meter raceLouis soon concluded though, that as fast

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as he was, he wasn't asfast as some of the older men competing
for the same spot, who hadseveral years of training on Louis. So
instead, he decided to train forthe five hundred meter race, which he
might have a better shot at.So Louie smashed more records, and then
he made it to the final Olympictrials. Wow. The trials were held

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in New York in July, duringthe hottest summer on record in the US.
WHOA. The competitors were training inone hundred and six degree heat,
running running one hundred and six degreeheat. Sorry, I think you said
five hundred meters earlier and it's fivethousand. Oh, you're right, it
is. I literally even type fivethousand. Wow, Michael, good catch.

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We were just like, how manymiles is that? It's like five?
Yeah, you know, someone whoruns track and field would know that,
but I didn't. Yeah, Idon't think any of us were track
and field people. No, rightover my head, I'm like, sure
that seems shorter. Yeah, Iasked Bang, and Bang says it's just
over three miles, okay, threethree hundred mile race and go oh okay,

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Roscoe. Sorry, Rosco is inhere as per usual, although every
time I say that, if Ilisten back, I can ever hear him,
So it just sounds like we're referringto like a ghost. That's fine,
who's not here? Okay, Sothey're training in this one hundred and
six degree heat, they all beginto rapidly drop weight. On the day
of the trial, the temperature waswell over one hundred degrees in the stadium

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and athletes were fainting on the field. Wait, it's also oh okay,
okay, no continue, yeah.Sorry. The runner's feet were literally burned
by the heat coming off of thetrack, and the ones who didn't faint
pushed through. Louis stayed in themiddle of the pack as the race started
and saved his strength for the end. On the last lap, he burst

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into speed, passing the front runnersand coming in second place, but later
it was determined that they were soclose they called it a tie. Wow,
so he was going to Berlin asthe youngest distance runner to ever make
the team. Wow. Right,just some scrappy Italian kid from like the
wrong side of the tracks, underdogLove that and also like being declared second.

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But then like, oh, it'sa tie, so you get to
go, Like that's why I know, just like, yeah, I guess
the it was so close like theyit was like a photo finished kind of
thing, like they really happened tolook at it, and they decided he
got to go, so very coolome. After arriving in Berlin to the Olympic
village, Louis noticed all of thebanners proudly displaying the Nazi swastika. Oh

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no, so this is during thattime, this is before the war,
but this is like they are ramping, they are revving up. Yeah,
and I saw a third of themen were dressed in uniform, whichould be
such a crazy time to be there, Like I want like the tension building,
like yeah, that's scary, justlike the crazy fanaticism building like ooh,

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that would be such a crazy timeto be there. Yeah, that's
surreal. I can't. He alsonoticed that the buses had machine gun mounts
on the roof, and it wasclear that Germany was displaying the strength of
their growing military. Louis noticed thebroken glass storefronts of Jewish owned businesses and
found it incredibly disturbed. Yeah.On August seventh, Louis readied himself for

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his final race. Much like hisprevious qualifying race, Louis stayed far behind
the lead until the last lap,and then, in a burst of speed,
began passing runners. In the end, he finished eighth, but his
finished time broke all the American recordsat that time. Okay, when the
race was over, Louis incredibly spottedI don't know if you know this is,

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but Joseph Gebels. So he wasthe minister of propaganda for Hitler,
like he is first of the worst, icky ikey, ichy, like part
of the brains of that operation.Just goblin man grows awful hate it.
So he spots Joseph Gebels, andLouis does and he asks him if he

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would take a photo of Hitler withhis camera, which he did, and
when Gebels returned, he said thatHitler wanted to see Louie, and Louie
was led over to Hitler's box,where they shook hands and Hitler said,
ah, you're the boy with thefast finish. He talked to him.
That's chilling, not even talk.But you touched that man's shook his hand.

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Ooh gross, whoa gross? Gross? I mean he hadn't. You
didn't. You didn't know at thatpoint, But like that's what makes it
even more fascinating because it's before shitwent down. Yeah, creepy. That
evening, Louis went out with hisfriends to party in Berlin. After a
couple of beers, he decided itwould be a good idea to steal a

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banner with the swastika on it froma building he had seen Hitler walk into.
He has like the biggest balls.I can't he's just so crazy.
He managed to steal it, butwas quickly caught by the guards, but
he was able to charm his wayout of trouble and they let him keep
the banner. Okay, other peoplewould have been shot, that's fine.
So Louis soon left Berlin for homeand began to set his sights on the

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nineteen forty Olympics in Tokyo, Japan. Mhmm. When he returned, he
was enrolled in usc with a scholarshipand continued training when he wasn't in class
or out chasing girls because he wasapparently a prolific ladies man. I mean,
he's cute. If you see picturesof them, He's like a tiny
Allian kio real schmoozy. They're allladies. Ladies. Yeah, they're all

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with the ladies. They got thatthat thing slag. Yeah. Before we
moved away from the nineteen thirty sixOlympics, I thought it was kind of
cool that that's the same Olympics whereJesse Owens of the United States won a
bunch of gold medals and single handedlydisproved Hitler's myth. That's right, Yan
supremacy, right because he was AfricanAmerican, right, Yeah, same same

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Olympics. Yeah, he he waslike, I wish he would have just
given Hitler like the middle finger,as he accepted as a word. But
he's probably too classy for that.You're right, that is cool. I
didn't realize that, fun fact.I don't think Ruskell likes these fun fats.
He's like, I could do better, watch me run, not in

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press. Uh okay. So inthe following year, Louis set his sights
on breaking the world record for thefastest mile, which up to that time,
anything below four minutes in one secondwas considered to be impossible. In
a race in nineteen sixty eight,even though his fellow competitors try to take
him down by stomping his feet withsharpened cleats while they were running. Oh,

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he had like all these people surroundhim while they were running, and
they all just started like stopping onhis feet. How how is that allowed?
I don't know. They didn't evensay that anyone got punished for it.
It doesn't make any sense, right, They're just like stabbing the top
of his feet with their cleats.It reminds me of that picture of the
lady running in the marathon and allthe men are just like picking at her

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because they're like, no women shouldbe running. And I'm just like,
wow, I don't understand people wholike go out of the way to do
that. How fragile is your ego? Yeah, that you would do?
Like, oh, it's icky,so gross. Okay, So, even
though they are all being real dicks, Louis won the race with a time
of four minutes and eight seconds,missing the world record by just like a

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smidge smidge, that's crazy, whilehe's literally getting stomped on. Yeah,
imagine like if they hadn't been dicks, he might have might have done it.
Yeah. Okay, So weeks later, Japan ends up with drawing as
host of the Olympics and it transfersto Finland. I wonder what Japan's up
to before the war. By nineteenforty, Louis was beginning to peek in

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his running fitness and speed, inchingcloser to the world record time, and
he was training like mad for theOlympics. But in April of nineteen forty
his dreams would be crushed when theworld was plunged into the chaos of World
War Two. The partially built OlympicStadium in Helenski was destroyed by the invading

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military and the Olympics were canceled.That's such a bummer, it really is.
Louis fell into despair over his lostdream and started working for Lockheed Air
Corporation in the summer of nineteen fortyone, as the world plunged deeper into
war. His plan was to finishup his last few credits the following year
to graduate, but the world hadother plans. After working for Lockheed,

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Louis began to feel a pull towardsthe airplanes he had been so previously like
afraid of, and after the governmentannounced the draft bill stating that anyone who
enlisted before the draft was they couldpick their like military branch of service,
so he decided to enlist in theArmy Air Corps. Wow, way to

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face your fears, I know.But yeah, especially it's like you're not
just training to become a pilot,you're training to become a military Yeah.
Like it still scary, so scary, so fast. Ugh the death rate
like ugh ew wild um so.But Louis quickly realized he wasn't meant to

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be a pilot after getting airsick duringtraining, and he just like washed out
of the military. Okay. Yeah. He then started working as a movie
extra, but before he could evenfinish his first movie, he received his
draft summons. There you go,Yes, and I think right now we
should just take a little little break. Okay, Hi, welcome back.

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I've been informed that I'm stupid.No, he said Elinski instead of hell
sinky earlier helsinky, helsinky, hellsinky. I wrote it correctly, I
said it wrong. I'm stupid.Okay, we're not stupid, Michael Michael
less corrections up next episode. Ifumbled what I was saying. I gotta
go back a correction. Oh mygod, messing up so hard. I

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had a lot of coffee before.My brain is like not processing as fast
as my mouth. It's fine,you guys, it's fine. It's not
all right, Okay, So hegets his draft summons right, and he
goes back. So after basic training, Louis was sent back to the Air
Corps to train to become a bombadier, which is fun to say, which

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is basically the dude that deals withthe bombs in the plane. I figured
just in case. Kind of selfexplanatory, but you know, okay,
So the day of Pearl Harbor,Louis was at a movie theater when the
movie stopped suddenly and the lights cameon. All servicemen and the audience were

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ordered back to their base and informedof the attack. And you know,
now the United States was officially atwar, yes, which, hello,
shit your pants moment, like youjust joined the military and they're like,
okay, you're wor in war.So that really is scary. I hate
it. I know. The thoughtthat, like Michael had to fill out
a draft card makes me so uncomfortable. All the boys did, Chad has

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one. No, they all hadto fill one out right in high school.
A requirement. Yeah, I hadno idea you had to require Wait,
what's upsetting? I know? Wellthat shit, No No, No,
isn't it so uncomfortable. I'm veryuncomfortable unless that's not true. And
just Michael's going to be drafted justlike I don't when I know it's it's

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so unsettling. And as you talkabout this time too, obviously, I'm
like, oh my gosh, we'rein like terrible times now things are scary.
But then I'm also like, well, things were really scary and shitty
at this point in time. Yeah, imagine getting drafted, like you're going
into the military for the scariest warof like all time. Yeah, it's
not like you're just gonna go train. You're going to war with like an

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actual evil villain, like the mostevil villain of the world. He does
get top billing Like it's wild.Okay, it's I was scared to think
about. I'm like, I meankind of kind of No, I don't
know. I was like, kindof nice to be a lady. But
is it ever still No, No, it's just all bad. Okay,
we'll disagree that it's all bad.I will admit I'm glad we don't get

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drafted. I was so happy Ididn't fill out a draft card. Oh
yeah, that's eerie. I didnot know that. If that's every time
I re remember that, I'm like, that is so disturbing to me.
Okay, yeah, I had noidea that was a requirement. Ew Okay,
okay. In August of nineteen fortytwo, Louis graduated from Midland and
was commissioned a second lieutenant. Hewould now head into the final round of

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training before heading off to war.His beloved brother, Pete was also enlisted
and was now a Navy Chief PettyOfficer. Louis next stop was Hot Afreida
afrada a Freida Efreda. It's inWashington, Sorry, Washington, that's a
weird name, so he was sentthere. It's a miserable military base in

(33:58):
the middle of a dry lake bed. The dusty soil was so thick that
it would gather like in foot anda half drifts against anything in its path.
So he just lee lived, breathedan ate dirt well stationed there.
Oh man, sounds awful. Afterarriving at the base, Louie would meet
his pilot named Russell Allen Phillips,who is twenty six years old. He

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was a kind, quiet, evenkeeled man with a fiance back home named
CC he and Louie would become bestfriends. Louis called him Phil and Louis
was nicknamed the Zamp because Zamborini.Oh that's fun. I know, the
zamp. That's a cool damp,cool samp, very cool. One.
Also on Louie's flight team was anengineer and gunner named Stanley Pillsbury twenty two

(34:44):
years old, and Clarence Douglas,also an engineer and gunner. Robert Mitchell
would be the nose gunner and navigator. Frank Glassman would be the radio operator
and belly gunner. Ray Lambert mannedthe tail gun. There's so many guns.
I mean, I'm sar. Iknow. Harry Brooks was the radio
man and waistegunner. Co pilot wasGeorge Masnett Junior. He wouldn't stay in

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that crew, but he did startwith them. I also didn't realize there
was that many dudes on a planefor some reason. I was like,
oh, there's like two of them, but no, there's like nine of
them. Are big, that's true. I just I imagine those little tiny
like fighter playing me too. Yeah, these are pretty big planes. There's
like nine dudes and they all havejob. Okay, so next, they

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needed a plane. Louie really wantedto be seventeen. It was the plane
everyone wanted. I don't know why. So oh like he wanted to be
they wanted to be seventeen years old. Okay, like he didn't want to
do boy taking back to seventeen.Sorry, this just sounded that you're right

(35:49):
that way he wanted. Uh,he wanted a seventeen, which is a
plane. Yay, Okay, Icould just see this being a World War
Two era body swap movie where oldveteran swaps bodies with a young seventeen year
old. I don't know, startthe script. It's a really weird,
freaky Friday. It is. Soeveryone wanted this B seventeen. It's like

(36:15):
the sexy plane that everyone wants,but they get stuck with a B twenty
four, which was comparable on paperto the B seventeen, but much less
sexy in person. It was boxyand blunt to look at, and it
had nicknames like the Flying Brick,the Flying box Car, the Flying Coffin,
and the Constipated Lumberer. Oh mygod, fun now that is clever.

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The constipated Lumberers. That poor plane. I know, she's like I'm
trying, I do. You gotmy best. The plane would end up
with the name Superman painted on thenose, with an image of Superman with
a gun and a bomb in eachhand, which I am jealous of the
dude that gets the job to paintall the planes, Like, how fun

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fun? Need to name them anddo like body paintings on them. I
love it. They would do likepin up girls and stuff on them.
Nice, It's fun. Okay.So the benefit to that plane is that
it could fly all day with auxiliaryfuel tanks, but the cockpit was extremely
cramped and the plane was extraordinarily heavy, making it difficult to fly. It

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was also plagued with multiple mechanical issues, including the tail flying off midflight oh
no, and the delicate wings beingeasily damaged. No. And some men
fairly viewed it as a death trap, which is also why I was called
the flying coffin. Oh yeah,that's terrifying. Once their plane arrived,
the men practically lived in it forthe next several months as they trained and

(37:45):
simulated combat missions and dive bombing runs. Training could be dangerous, though,
and many airmen met their deaths beforeever leaving the US anywhere. From nine
to nearly twenty men could lose theirlives in tree any accidents per day during
per day. The number is astounding. It's like in the thousands just training

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accidents. People were dropping left andright. It's it's crazy. In October
of nineteen forty two, the menwere told their training was being cut short
and they were being sent to HamiltonField, California, and from there they
were going overseas. They were goingto be sent to Owahu, Hawaii,
which pretty sweet place to be sentto. I mean this is after Pearl

(38:31):
Harbor, so not great, butlike still, if you get to be
stationed in Hawaii, like yeah,cool, there, the co pilot would
be switched out for a different mannamed Charlton Cuppernel. Okay, So for
the next couple months, the mencontinue to train in beautiful Hawaii, running

(38:52):
patrols over the ocean to watch outfor the enemy, and pranking each other
in their spare time. Of course, because you forget how young these gots
are there, Yeah, they haveto have some real human interaction in between.
Yeah, they're basically teenagers. Likethey would do ridiculous shit to each
other all the time, and you'relike, yeah, I mean you gotta
relieve stress. I guess they're ina crazy situation. In December, they

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were told to pack their bags fortheir first real mission. They were ordered
to Midway stocked with bombs. Uponarrival, they were told that they would
be part of a mission to burndown the Japanese base on wake at all.
The planes were ordered to dive bombthe base in a mission that would
take sixteen hours and push the planefuels stores to their very limits. They

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left on December twenty third, solike right before Christmas, the squadron arrived
at midnight and relentlessly bombed the baseas the Japanese soldiers slept yikes, leaving
the island on fire. The squadronflew back to Midway and Louis plane sputtered
onto the runway, so their missionwas a success. On a different bombing
mission, the crew wouldn't be solucky. They were met with fierce combat

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from the Japanese and the bomber planewas badly damaged in the ensuing firefight.
The mission would be its last.Almost the entire crew would be injured,
as well as one of the crewmen, Harry Brooks, sustaining so much damage
that he ended up passing away afterthe plane somehow amazingly made it back to
the base. Wow, only twentytwo and he was it's like the sad

(40:21):
story. He was gonna get marriedin like nine days, in one days.
You know, there's just so manysad stories. Yeah. I have
a hard time watching like World Wartwo movies because it's I mean I have
and it's just the worst, andI'm like, I don't want to see
that. Weirdly, I'm like,I can do documentaries all day long about
World War Two, but movies areI don't know, it's just yeah emotional.

(40:45):
Maybe yeah, because like the storyline, I guess they like make you
extra sense, realize how human thesepeople are. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're going to cover the damage tothe plane. I didn't list Wait
did I? I didn't list it, but you can if you would,
like it really got shredded straight fromwiki. Ground crewman counted five hundred and

(41:07):
ninety four bullet and shell fragment holesin the fuselage and tail structure of the
Big forrange and bomber effort after ithad skidded to a stop with a flat
tire. Oh my, yeah,so like it got so it was a
crazy story. But the story wasalreadys so long that it couldn't put it
in. But here I go frommemory. It was like so damaged that
Louis was like trying to Jerry riglike bombing or not bombing landing gear just

(41:30):
to get this thing to land.And it was it went in so hot
that it almost like it landed,but it slid so far that it almost
went over like the cliff of theedge of the way. It like barely
stopped in time. And it wasjust like amazing that America they even made
it back. Like this plane wasa mess, and everyone was like full
of holes and bleeding because they allgot shot. They were all damp.

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Yeah, yeah, that's wild.It was crazy that they lived at all.
That is. There's a picture ofZamparini with the plane that has a
big hole in it. It lookslike you could fit his head through.
WHOA, Yeah, No, Idon't like it, okay, post of
photo. Yeah it's pretty wild.I haven't actually seen those photos. I
read about the photos, but Ihaven't looked at them. So that'll be
fun. We're gonna have to.Yeah, let's see where are we?

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No, I like it. Ilove your interruptions continue to do, so
I didn't even go crazy with thecaffeine today. I love when you're into
the stories because then it makes memore like enthusiastic to tell it. You
know, Well, now I hateit. It's sick, okay. So
that evening, the Japanese conducted abombing raid on the military base that Louie

(42:37):
was stationed at. So they're likethey kicked the hornet's nest and now they're
getting attacked. Louis narrowly escaped withhis life that night. He was then
sent back to Hawaii with what remainedof his crew. Six of them would
have to be replaced, and theyall they also now needed a new plane
because there's was Swiss cheese at thispoint. On May twenty seven, Louie

(43:00):
was approached by a general and toldthat he and his crew would need to
launch a search mission for a planethat had left recently but had not made
it to its destination or been heardfrom since leaving, and it had been
lost somewhere over the ocean, whichapparently, back in that time it happened
a lot like planes went missing constantly, and then the planes looking for those

(43:20):
planes also went missing, so itwas just kind of a shit show.
Yeah, Louis was hesitant because theywould be flying with new crew members and
the only plane available was a bombercalled the Green Hornet, which is kind
of funny that Green Hornet and Supermanboth in the story. Oh Nice.
Louis had already taken the Green Horneton a flight test and found that the
plane was really unreliable with mechanical issues, but they were told they had to

(43:45):
do it anyway, so his protestswere brushed aside, and though they were
ordered into the air, the men, along with another plane and crew,
were ordered to search all day andthen land in Palmyra to continue the search
the next day if the plane wasnot found. Before leaving, the crew
inspected the Green Hornet to make sureit was stocked with emergency equipment and provisions.

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Just before takeoff, a soldier ranup to them and asked to hit
your ride to Palmyra. So nowthere's going to be eleven men on this
plane and the search begins. Thetwo search planes took off and began looking.
The other plane was called Date theDaisy May, and it became quickly
apparent that the Green Hornet could notkeep up with the daisy mat So after

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a couple of hours, Phil,the pilot of the Green Hornet, radioed
to the Daisy may to continue Likethey were like, hey, you know,
just continue the search without us.You don't have to wait for us,
Like, you can keep going,we're slowing you down. So they
pretty quickly lost sight of each other. Around two PM, the Green Hornet
reached the search area and the planedropped to eight hundred feet below the clouds

(44:52):
for a better view, and theysearched the waters, which was also really
hard to do because you've got thesun like on hitting the water. It's
like blinding you. It's amazing ifyou see anything at all. Yeah.
Around this time, the co pilotin the Green Hornet, Coppernel, asked
Phil if he could switch him seatsto get some practice in as the first
pilot. Phil agreed and switched himseats. Soon after, though, it

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was noted that one of the fourengines was burning more fuel than the others.
Phil and Coppernel took action to correctthis, but because they were in
different seats, they were slower thannormal To write the plane. They asked
an engineer to assist, but theengineer made a crucial error. They had
already been losing power from one engine, and now the engineer killed power to

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the wrong engine, effectively killing bothengines on one side of the plane,
taking it into a spin. Theydid their best to recover, but it
was no use. The plane wasgoing down, and it was going down
quickly, and the spirally yes overthe ocean. Trust me, I hear

(45:59):
the remember I don't, noted,So the crew all raced to their crash
stations and grabbed the survival gear whileputting on their life fests. Go I
can't like, there's too little time, just knowing like you're going into the
water. Okay. The plane wasgoing down so quickly there was no time

(46:20):
to send a distress signal. Philtried desperately to level the plane, but
it was no use. They wereabout to crash hard and fast into the
ocean. The terrified men stared numblyout as they rotated faster and faster towards
the water, knowing there was aslim chance of survival. I hate it,
okay. Phil deployed the life raftat the last second so that it

(46:43):
would at least be close by ifany of the men made it out alive.
Right and then the plane hit thewater with its left wing and nose,
entering first and then ripping the planeapart. That's such impact. That's
literally the same as like crashing intothe ground. Yeah, you might as

(47:04):
well hit concrete like it's gonna ripapart the plane the same. Oh Man.
Louis recalled the jarring impact, hisbody flying, and the cold slap
of the water as the plane toreapart. When he came to from the
shock, he felt the plane gounder the water and then pop back up
from the air trapped inside, butthen quickly began to sink. Wow.

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Traumatizing to see that Louie was sittingon top of a life raft, but
he was still trapped in the fuselage, entangled in wires and pinned underneath one
of the stationary guns. Phil wasrecovering from having his head slammed against something
on impact and was trying to escapethe co pilot's seat. He was able

(47:46):
to break free as the plane sankdeeper and deeper, and he kicked his
way to the surface, with hishead gushing blood. Below, Louis was
still struggling to disentangle himself from allthe wiring, because like the plane blew
apart. Basically all the wires wenteverywhere, and now he's just in a
web. And you don't even that. I would never think about that.
Yeah, it's just you're entangled inwires, so like, good luck even

(48:09):
trying to get out, even thoughyou survived the impact, you it's so
unfair. So he's tangled in allthese wires, and the plane is just
he's sinking deeper and deeper, andit's just I hate it so much.
I mean, it's hard to breathethrough this. This is I'm having a
hard time fee His ears popped,and the water pressure was steadily increasing as

(48:31):
darkness descended. So now you're alsoin the dark. Too many things are
happening in this moment. I amso overwhelmed. He saw the body of
a crewman drift past as he's soyou're also just seeing your crew like just
drifting around. That didn't make it. As you're struggling. He then felt

(48:53):
an intense pain in his head andhe passed out with a feeling of hopelessness.
Assuming this was the end. Yeah, I would hope that I would
just pass out and then not knowthe rest of it. But he explicably
came to and realized all the wiringthat had been holding him down had magically
vanished. Like how some kind ofmiracle he's got. This guy is not

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meant to die, right, Like, how does that just immediately? Like
that doesn't make sense itself, Itdoesn't, It doesn't make any sense.
Uh, let's see as Oh sothe life raft that had been underneath him
also disappeared. I don't know whathappened when he was under neither disease okay,
so okay, but they got likesectioned down with the sinking maybe either

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way, he's still sinking in thisfuselage. Hate you, okay? And
he had no air left in hislungs. He began to gulp down seawater.
Literally, I don't want to feelthat. I don't want to drown.
I don't like it. No,it was pitch black as he felt
around the fuselage trying to gain hisbearings. He wore an uninflated life raft,

(49:58):
but it was still boot I kindof say this word booyant, buoyant,
boyant, boyant, boyant, andpulled him towards the ceiling of the
plane. He finally felt around longenough to find a window, and he
swam out of it. Leaving thesinking plane behind. He pulled the cord
of his life vest and shot tothe surface as the value. So wow,

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yeah, wait, so I'm wow. Okay, in my brain,
I wasn't. I don't know how, because you're telling me the story,
but I wasn't picturing in the oceanwater because I'm trying to dissociate. So
he's already in the ocean. He'ssinking to the bottom of the ocean and
how filled with water? Yeah,the window breaks or whatever, and he

(50:44):
swims out and then the vests popshim up to the surface. Okay,
that's where we're I just had totell my brain to like, no,
actually listen to what's this isn't allhappening in the air. It's deep underwater.
It's not that we're still on thesurface of the other No, it's
like sinking twenty times worse. Ohokay, okay, So he shoots to

(51:05):
the surface. What a feeling tobe? Like, shut up with that?
Right before you thought you were gonnadie? Like ough, oh,
let's see, let's see. So, yes, he breaks the surface.
He immediately vomits up all the seawater and oil that he has swallowed.
Wow. He looked around to seeplane wreckage. This is also in the
middle of the day. I don'tknow why I always pictured it at night.
It's in the middle of the day. Yeah, so bright, it's

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bright up, yeah, side daylight. So he looks around. He sees
plane wreckage and gas and oil floatingon the surface. He couldn't believe he
was alive, and then heard Philcall out to him. Wow. Phil
was floating on the surface with thetail gunner. Mac neither had life vests
on and clung to a piece ofwreckage. Phil's head was steadily gushing blood

(51:49):
down his face and into the water. Oh my gosh, okay. As
Louis took all of this in,he saw the inflatable lifeboat floating quickly away,
and instead of swimming for his friends, he after the boat. He
miraculously was able to catch the raftand then saw a second inflatable raft.
He rowed to it and also caughtthe second one, Wow, tying them
together before rowing back to retrieve hisfriends. He saved their lives. Oh

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yeah, I mean yeah, wow. Yeah. How lucky to have the
two rafts, right, you gottwo so and they're not very big.
So one raft was only about twofeet wide by six feet long, so
it was really cramped with all threeinside. Louis had sustained a few cuts,
he had a broken finger, butamazingly that was kind of it.

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He was very intact. Wow.He quickly took the men's shirts and tended
to the two gashes on Phil's foreheadbefore pulling him into the other raft.
So now it's Louis and Mac inone raft and Phil and the other,
but they're like tied together. Phil, who was technically in charge, head
wound. He hands command over toLouie at this point. Okay, Mac

(52:58):
had also come up uncathed, buthe sat in like a dazed silence until
he suddenly began wailing and screaming thatthey were all going to die. Yeah,
I would be that you're you're inshock, and then you see where
you're at, floating in the middleof the ocean. Well, well there's
no technology, people don't know howto get to you a rescue you or

(53:20):
where you are, right, Yeah, immediate panic you will Okay, Yeah,
I'm struggling. Sean is the hystericalone because there's nothing you can do
and it's just time and I hatelike I would almost like in that situation,
wish I passed out and died,because now you're just like suffering this
long, Like what what's gonna happen? We're gonna do? I'm telling you

(53:40):
nothing good is gonna happen, Soit's just gonna get work. Your panic
is valid. So he's like screaminghysterical, and then like in the movies,
like Louis slaps him in the faceuntil he stops me and sure,
yeah, get it out and thenstop. Yeah. So Mac had been
the one holding the box of provisionswhen the plane went down, but I

(54:02):
mean he couldn't keep a hold ofit and it was lost in the crash.
They started to search the life raftpockets for any supplies and found several
chocolate bars. Not good chocolate bars, by the way. This is like
wartime chocolate bars that is meant tobe like melt proof, Like it tastes
terrible, but it's hieing calories,so it's not like you want to snack

(54:22):
on this. Okay, gotcha?Okay, So they find the chocolate,
tins of water, a brass mirror, a flare gun, sea dye,
a set of fish hooks and fishingline to air pumps, a patch kit,
and a set of pliers, screwdriver. All right, I mean that's
something better than nothing. I meanstill not a lot. Though in the

(54:44):
coming years the emergency provisions would vastlyimprove. They would add a radio transmitter,
d a mast, a sail,and a tarp for shade. But
these guys had none of that.So they're just the sun. Oh my
gosh, the burning. You're burningalive. Oh, they're gonna burn,
okay. So they also had nonavigation tools. The man who had them

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had gone down with the plane.Louis quickly set the ration rules at one
square of chocolate in the morning andone in the evening each man was allowed.
I told Michael about this part,shaking his head. Each man was
allowed a few SIPs of water aday, and at that rate their supplies
could last like a few days.Soon after entering the rafts, Louis heard

(55:29):
the gurgling sound of a man tryingto speak from the water. He looked
around frantically, but whoever had madethat sound slipped beneath the surface once more
and drown so confused like someone elsemade it out of the plane, possibly
like a little further away from theraft surfaced, but they couldn't see him,
and then the guy went back underthe water. So, oh that's

(55:49):
itchy. Yeah, it just likehaunted Louis for the rest of the time.
They were hearing that. Yeah,oh that's okay, super disturbing.
Soon, though, they had anotherpressing horror to contend with. It didn't
take long for the men to startseeing dark, large shapes moving smoothly below
the water, and then the shapesrose to the surface, their sharp triangle

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fins cutting through the water to circlethe boats. The sharks had found them.
Louis figured they were Maco sharks orsomething similar. Who cares what that's
deep, the smallest of them beingsix feet long. Oh, just a
small six feet, just a casualman length. Some were double that,

(56:37):
so basically like double the length ofthe raft the teeth. Okay. As
the sun went down, the temperaturedropped greatly and the men began to shiver.
Yeah, you're getting two polar oppositethings. You're burning and you're freezing.
Yeah. They baled a few inchesof water into the rafts, which,
after warming to their body tempts,actually kind of kept their lower halves

(56:57):
warm, but their top halves werefreezing, so like the water was warm,
so they brought in some water tokeep them warm. Well water like
eventually would warm to their body temperature. Oh I see that makes sense.
Oh what thinking smart? Right,kind of smart, even faster, Thank
you, thank you, Mike protip until you well nevermind. Okay.

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So once the sun set, theywere plunged into pitch darkness and silence.
Do you know how dark? That'sthe most dark? Yeah, there's no
lights around, literally zero light,pitch dark. But the stars in the
moon I mean gorge. But let'stake a moment to take this in.
Yeah, that's also eerie and freakyand vast. It's just a vastness the

(57:44):
middle of the ocean really freaks meout. Well, there's just nothing but
water to see. It's just wild. Uh okay. So the men were
exhausted, but the idea of missinga search party kept them awake, as
did the shuddering vibrations of the sharksrubbing their backs along the bottoms of the
rafts. I hate it. They'rejust torment like, still here, we're

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touching you, tenderizing their dinner.That's evil. El On Palmyra, the
daisy May had landed with no incident, although they had never found the original
missing plane. There's all another missingplan that those poor men, I don't
think wherever found. That evening,the green Hornet was reported missing and a

(58:30):
search operation would be launched the nextmorning. But the search area was so
vast and full of ocean currents itcould pull them into like a number of
different directions. The odds of findingthem were small, but they had to
try. The next morning, Louiswoke up to the site of sharks and
open ocean. He decided to,ok, here we go. He decided

(58:52):
to divvy up everyone's meager breakfast chocolate, but when he searched the pockets,
the chocolate was all gone. Comeon, dude, Mac had devoured it
all in a blind panic while theyall slept. Mac No Mac, Mac
Mac shame. Louis did his bestto keep calm and told Mac he was

(59:16):
disappointed in him. That's putting itlightly. I would have punched him in
the BIA. I'm not mad.I am disappointed. So like, you
ate all of our food and nowwe're for sure gonna die on day one.
You ate all of our food.Wow, okay, so we're still
o. We're on day one.You had belly and your food still from

(59:37):
the island we left from, likedown. Yeah, that really ruins chances
right from the start. So yeah, Loui's like, I'm gonna be the
big person. I'm gonna try notto be too hard on him, Like
he's going through a lot. It'slike we're kind of in a bad situation.
He's bigger than I am. Likeyeah, okay, yeah, whatever
you gotta do. Yeah. Souh. Later on in the day,

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the men were already starting to burnand were terribly hungry. Then they heard
the distant sound of plane engines andsaw a B fifty, sorry a B
twenty five high up in the air. Louis quickly fired a flare gun and
dumped the water dye into the sea, turning a bright green color, but
the bomber did not see them andcontinued on. Wow from the flight path

(01:00:21):
the B twenty five was on,Louis was able to conclude that the boat
was drifting west, further away fromfriendly waters. The search crews looked all
day but found nothing and resolved tosearch again the next day. They would
continue, however, to be unsuccessful. The men on the raft took a
small sip of water in the afternoonand watched Slash felt the shark's return as

(01:00:44):
the sun sank. Another day passeduneventfully, with the men speaking little and
dreaming of food. On May thirtieth, they heard the sounds of a low
flying B twenty four. It wasthe Daisy May They were out searching for
them, Louis five several flares.One came close to hitting the plane,
but the cloud coverage was so thickthat the plane never saw The raft happickly

(01:01:07):
disappeared. I hate this stupid Imean, I know, and they describe
what it's like trying to look onthe ocean surface from it that it's difficult,
it's so hard, and this raftis so tiny in comparison, like
right, but it just like sucks. They're doing all the right things in
the sense of like, okay,there's a plane, time to use the
flare, time to use the dye, like this is what you do,

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and it's not it doesn't work.On the fourth day of being out on
the open ocean, the men's waterran out, and they were intensely hungry
and thirsty. On the fifth day, Max snapped again, and after having
said almost nothing the entire time,started ranting and raving about how they were
all going to die. Is hethe one with the head injury too?

(01:01:49):
No, he actually made it outpretty unscathed. He didn't really have a
lot of injuries. Okay, fillsthe one with the head injury kills along
the head injury. Okay. Andthen Mac is not handling this well.
Back had a snack attack. Snackattack, ye, snack attack, Mac
ate all their food. Yeah,rough time. Okay, Yeah, so
Louis again slaps him to get himdone. Snap out of the snap out

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of it. After a week ofsearching, the men of the Green Hornet
were declared missing and their families wereto be informed they would receive the distressing
telegrams on June fourth. Back onthe raft, the sun was taking its
toll on the men. They wereall severely sunburned, and their lips had
become grotesquely swollen and their top withtheir top lip obstructing their nostrils and their

(01:02:37):
lower lip resting against their chins.Oh my god, I think extreme lip
filler. Yeah. Look, Ican't even imagine what that would look like.
Oh. I thought you were goingto go on like in a chapped
situation, but that well, backto well, sure, but like the
massively swollen I wouldn't think of theswelling coach. Yeah, their skin dried

(01:02:59):
and cracked, burning every time theseawater splashed them. Oh that's right.
The intense glare of the sun onthe water burned their eyes and gave them
severe headaches. They all had opensores on their lower extremities from the contact
with salt water. Oh yeah,you get just seeing constant contact makes sores.

(01:03:19):
Yeah, that are just aggravated byfurther salt, which is literally all
around you and the are you breatheand where you're stranded? Not if it's
good? Why so they really weretoo crammed in the one raft because I
want to just be like, comeon, cram together, spoon if you
have to, and then take theother raft and cover yourselves if that helps

(01:03:40):
any Oh that's smart. Yeah theydidn't do that. I guess it was
too cramped because it's two feet wideby six feet long. Yeah, I
get it, but I mean survivalsituation. I would have been like,
yeah, I would have tried it, and if not, then you go
back into the raft. Yeah yeah, I mean who am I judging survive?

(01:04:02):
Right? I'm terrible, stupid.I would have done it so different.
Sorry, continue these think okay,okay, okay. So the men
were all so hot that they justwanted to jump into the cool ocean,
but the ever present circling sharks madethis impossible. Yeah yeah, one eight
foot shark in particular never left theraft, and the men would strike at

(01:04:23):
it with an ore if it gottoo close. Oh my god. On
the third day without water, themen rejoiced when they saw dark clouds on
the horizon. Soon the sky openedup with a torrential downpour of rain,
and the men savored the cool water, washing their burned skin. Oh that
would probably feel me, and openedup their mouths and drank. The rainstorm

(01:04:45):
was able to replenish the empty watertins, and the men discovered that they
could use the two canvas bags holdingtheir water pumps as hats. So that's
a wind. That's a wind.They did something, okay, But they're
still starving and frustrated that they hadfishing equipment but no bait to catch anything.
Ah. Yeah, this sucks.They dreamed endlessly of food. Around

(01:05:09):
day nine or ten, Louis wouldhave a stroke of luck. During the
day he had the canvas bag overhis face, and he lay so still
that a passing albatross thought he wasjust drifting debris and decided to land on
him for a rest. Wait,what is that? It's a huge sea
bird. Bird. Yeah, abird just lands on you, thinking you're

(01:05:29):
like a driftwood. Oh what anexperienced Louis ever so slowly inched his hand
toward the bird until he snatched itsfeet and broke its neck. Yeah.
I mean, poor bird. Butthey needed that bird, They really needed
that bird. This is gross.He then used the pliers from their supplies
to clean and process it, starvingas they were, though, the meat

(01:05:50):
smelled so bad that the men couldn'tget it down. Really. Yeah,
and I think they're like kind ofprobably like a lot like eagles, where
there's kind of like trash birds.They probably don't taste grace good or something.
Yeah, so they decided instead touse it as fishing bait. Okay,
yeah, don't waste it, Yeah, don't waste it. The first

(01:06:12):
three tries were thwarted by the sharksbiting the hook and snapping the line with
sharks dicks, but the fourth tryproduced a ten foot or sorry, ten
foot ten inch long pilot fish.The men quickly devoured it raw and their
spirits were slightly lifted. Okay,yeah, I mean yeah, I would
probably settle more for eating a rawfish. Soush, it's just sushi.

(01:06:34):
Yeah. So the next several dayspassed though with no further fishing success,
although it did rain again and theirwater tins were replenished. The men,
mostly Louie and Phil, filled theirtime with endless talking. They quizzed each
other about their lives, starting fromtheir earliest memories and telling stories in as
much detail as they could must Ohmy god. They sang Christmas songs,

(01:06:56):
and Louis described his mother's cooking,including every single step and ingredient. Wow.
They also prayed a lot. Imean, you have so much time?
Yeah. Nothing, but he knewthat the first thing to go in
these situations was your sanity. Yeah, and the men clung to theirs with
each passing day without rescue. Ithad now been two weeks on the open

(01:07:19):
ocean and the men's conditions were worsening. They were all bearded and skinny,
covered in saltwater sores and other injuriesfrom exposure. The rafts were beginning to
deteriorate as well, and everything smelledbad. Oh my gosh. Well yeah.
On the fourteenth day, Louis caughtanother albatross, and this time the

(01:07:41):
men were so hungry they devoured itand used the leftovers as fish bait,
which caught them another fish. Imean, okay, they're surviving. Over
the next several days, the menwould catch more birds and an occasional fish.
In one instance, Louis was sohungry he began to okay, this
is this is gross. I'm warningyou right now, he began. He

(01:08:02):
began to rip into the bird withhis teeth, but was quickly horrified after
he began to feel a crawling sensationover his face and realized the bird had
been covered in lice, which wasnow making a home in his beard and
hair. It's so horrifying, Justlike, I'm sorry, I'm legit speechless

(01:08:30):
because that's the last thing you freakingneed. Lice. Oh my, that's
so you're already feeling so gross.Lice lice from a bird that you ripped
into raw with your teeth. Imean, survival, no judgment there,
no, but co okay, soso this happened. Beard is on your

(01:08:56):
face? Face, okay face.He was so freaked out that he launched
the top half of his body intothe ocean to get rid of them,
and was almost taken by a sharkin the process, but he was so
desperate to get the lights off thathe didn't care, which fair wow yeah,
and also itchy right yeah, oh, it's making me it's just thinking

(01:09:17):
right on your hair burning source.Okay. So after floating for several more
days, it had now been sixdays without water and mac was fading quickly.
The men knew they were probably gonnadie and they began to pray.
Soon after, though, the raincame again and the men were saved.
And this happened again and again.It would almost be pissed, like,

(01:09:40):
stop raining because you're prolonged. Letme death. Yeah, So they just
would be like, right on theverge of death, it would rain again.
Right on the verge of death,they'd catch a fish. So it
was just like endless and you're likeso desperate probably that you like can't help
yourself but drink it. Yeah,of course, but that's just prolonging.
Yeah, yeah, it sucks.On day twenty seven, get out of

(01:10:02):
Here, a plane was spotted,even though it was far away from the
men, they decided to drop thewater, die and fire. You know,
a few flares they had more,so they okay, so they're still
doing what they're supposed to do.Yeah, yeah, planes, Okay.
The bomber faded into the distance,though, and the men thought all was
lost until the bomber turned around andheaded towards their location Chills. The men

(01:10:26):
began to cheer and cry with joyand relief, which quickly turned stop to
screams of horror. I hate youso much. Get out of here.
I don't want you to finish.I don't want to stop there and then
get rescued the end. It's atwo parter. Remember, I know it
was so bad. It doesn't end. It doesn't bad at you. I'm
so sorry the bomber began firing onthem. No, it was the Japanese.

(01:10:55):
I can't be on this podcast.It formally like to resign from this
episode. I'm so sorry for thismicrophone because they cannot control le gasp.
That is so upsetting. So it'sjust so unfortunate it's the Japanese. So
all of the men jumped overboard intothe shark infested waters and hid beneath the

(01:11:20):
rafts as the plane peppered the boatsand ocean with bullets, and now you're
ruining the raft yep. As soonas the plane passed, the exhausted men
used their last remaining strength. They'realso so weak with starvation, like they're
so skinny and weak. Yeah,so they use all of their strength to
flop back into the boats before thesharks could descend. My god, but

(01:11:43):
their ordeal wasn't over. They watchedas the plane came back for another pass.
Louis jumped back into the water,but the other two men had no
remaining strength and could do nothing butcurl into a tight ball and hope they
wouldn't be shot. Louis swam backbeneath the raft and watched as holes were

(01:12:03):
punched through it from bullets fired bythe plane's gunners. Oh my god.
He did his best to remain deepenough to make the bullets harmless, but
also struggled to stay with the raftagainst the currents. The things you're thinking
about to survive in milliseconds and you'rein shark invested waters. Oh my gosh,
it's just so much. It justgot okay. As he concentrated on

(01:12:27):
these tasks, he was jolted backto reality as he saw a gaping maw
full of sharp teeth swimming right forhim. Louis Michael's just shaking his head.
He's enough over it. But howwas the story not more well known?
It's just wild, right, SoLouis waited until the shark was inches

(01:12:53):
away, and then bared his teethand punched the shark in the nose.
The most badast human I've ever heardof ever. Yes, the shark jerked
away and came back for another round, but was once again punched in the
snout, which I guess is whatyou're supposed to do. Yeah, sure,
again doing what you gotta but youhave to wait for it to be
that close like to do. That'salso upsetting because you have to like,

(01:13:14):
Okay, come at me, bro, you want another one. So the
plane had passed again and Louie jumpedback aboard to see that his friends were
still alive. Can't wow and unhitbut what not even wow? Okay,
but the plane was coming back again. Okay, so they're really not given
Okay, they're like, well they'restill alive, gotta go again. They
can tell they're still alive. Idon't know, Maybe they're just fucking around,

(01:13:36):
I don't know. Louis jumped backoff, and the other two men
played dead as the firing started upagain. This time, Louis was fighting
off two sharks, flailing his armsand legs at the sharks in an attempt
to avoid their snapping jaws. Oncethe plane passed, he would jump back
into the boat. This happened,shausting four more times. I hit this.

(01:14:02):
I don't I can't comprehend, andI'm mad, and I'm exhausted for
him, and I'm sad. There'sfeelings, there's too many things. I
just this is like upping the Indianapolisepisode. You're like, I think,
yeah, I mean I think it'son par like it's yeah, I mean
it's very similar. But man,yeah, I'm like the highest level of

(01:14:24):
stress. I don't think people aremade like this anymore. No, Like,
it dies so fast, right,like there's just no way. Uh
yeah, So okay. It happensfour more times, and miraculously, exhaustion,
Louly was never bitten, and Macand Phil didn't have a single bullet
wound, even though half like thewhole raft is now littered with bullet holes

(01:14:46):
all around that oh my gosh.On the fifth turn the plane, they
just don't stop. So the fifthturn, the plane dropped a depth charger
near the raft, which is likean underwater bomb basically, but as luck
would have it, it didn't detonate. What guardian angels do these men have?

(01:15:09):
It's insane, Like the amount oftimes that they scrape by is just
it's wild, like some divine thingis just like nope, nope, nope,
that bomb's not gonna work. It'snot you're not gonna that shark's not
gonna eat you somehow, over andover and over. So I guess after
that the plane's like they're probably deadand it leaves. I mean pix too,

(01:15:30):
my god. Once the plane hadgone for good, the men inspected
the torn apart rafts. One hadbeen torn in two so all three men
there you go, had to craminto one. Okay, now I understand,
well you can't put the other oneon top of Well, here we
go, but this raft so well, okay, I'll get to that.
But so now the one that they'rein, they're all three and one raft,

(01:15:50):
but it's so full of holes stillit's starting to sink lower and lower
into the water, especially with theextra weight. Yes, soddenly. A
shark leapt over the side of theraft, my god, and tried to
snatch a man, but was beatenaway with oars. You've just survived a

(01:16:15):
plane trying to shoot you, andsharks are supposed to stay in the water.
These motherfuckers they are like jump outof it, like, oh,
there's dudes in there. Okay,Well this shouldn't be so hard. Let's
just jump through, okay. Sothey beat it back with oars, but
this was followed by two more sharkswith the same idea. The men furiously
fought off the sharks with the oars, but every time a shark would flop

(01:16:39):
onto the raft, more and moreair would escape from the bullet holes,
until the raft became partially submerged.The men knew they needed to get more
air into the boat with one ofthe air but sorry, they lost one
of the air pumps in the otherboat. So they have one air pump,
okay, and they have the patchkit. Oh, they devise a

(01:16:59):
quick plan. There's too many.There's too many, like we can fix
there's not enough patches. One manwould furioucely pump air into the raft.
One man would would fight the sharkswith an ore. Other man would patch
up the holes with the patch kit. Everyone has a freaking job. Oh
my god. This plan worked,but the patching took a while and many

(01:17:23):
times had to be redone because awhite cap would come wash away the glue
before it dried, they'd have toredo the patch. The men worked all
through the day and night, theirarms so exhausted from pumping that they literally
lost feeling. Yeah, like,you can't stop, there's no time to
sleep, sump yeah all day,Oh my god, while starving by the

(01:17:45):
way the exhaustion, they don't exhaustedreading this, where's the next break?
I need one zero seconds to takea solid breath. Okay. Eventually,
though, most of the holes werepatched and the sharks stopped trying to jump
into the raft. Now they're justback at ground level shit storm negative three.

(01:18:06):
Yeah. Louis also realized they couldtake the other deflated raft and use
it as a tarp to protect themfrom the hot So I'm kind of smart,
and you read yeah okay. Iwas like, oh, you are
so smart. That is going tohappen. Okay, So now they have
a little bit of cover. Okay, it's a big win. In this
situation, Oh my gosh, wherethey're Yes. After that many losses,

(01:18:27):
they had also come to realize thatthe Japanese bomber must have been out on
patrol, which meant that they couldn'tbe too far away from land, but
by their calculations, it could stillbe weeks until they reached land. Louie
guessed that they would have made itby forty seven days. Phil guessed forty
six days before they reached land.Mac was like, I'm not guessing.

(01:18:47):
We're all gonna die right In thecoming days, the men would continue to
starve, and one day Louis waswatching the sharks circle and decided to pet
a couple of them, just tosee what their skin would feel like.
It had a rough texture, andLouie couldn't help but admire how beautiful the
animals were. Oh well, Iguess the sharks didn't appreciate that, because

(01:19:10):
they both disappeared for a second andthen charged. Fucking sharks. They're like,
don't touch me. Then charged tothe surface from the deep at incredible
speed. Both tried to bite offLouise's upper half, but were beaten back
by Mac. Oh he got soft, and he was like these are beautiful

(01:19:32):
God's creatures them. They're like,fuck you, your lunch, your lunch.
So Louis took this attack personally.Yeah, he was like, fucking
rude, and I can switch mymindset. You can switch your my mindset,
shark. That's literally what happened.So he was like, that's rude,
and he's like, I'm gonna tryand eat you now. So Phil

(01:19:55):
took their last piece of bait totempt a smaller shark, and once it
was close, Louise snatched it outof the water by its tail dragged it
into the boat, where they quicklykilled it by stabbing it through the app
ass. Dude, and now they'relike, what shark. Wow, they're
really feuding with the sharks. Comeat me. Oh my god. So

(01:20:19):
the men had heard that the onlypart of a shark that you could eat
was its liver. Oh surly education. I wouldn't know that. So they
all ate the liver and they werefull for the very first time since crashing.
Oh do they have big livers?I guess? Oh wow. They
caught one more shark after that,but the sharks seemed to catch on and

(01:20:41):
now only huge sharks as big astwelve feet long, circled the reft.
Wow, yeah, no, there'smark big. Yep, they know what's
up. Baby just popped into myhead, stupid or mom's nest. I
know, it's all that's in myhead. Okay, around around the thirtieth
evening on the ocean, yes,a whole month, just a month.

(01:21:05):
The men were all sleeping when theyall awoke to the feeling of being thrown
violently airborne before landing in the raftagain. When they looked beneath the boat,
they were met with the jet blackeyes of a great white shark who
had just punched them all airborne frombeneath. Wait, so these were not

(01:21:27):
like great whites in the beginning?And then did They did their little shark
call and they're like, hey,no, we need the badass, biggest
shark. We need big mama,we need the mafia shark. Yes,
so the mob boss, the finalboss, appears and they estimated that this
shark was almost twenty feet long.This is like the Jaws shark. This
is yeah, I looked it up. They can get that big. It's

(01:21:50):
rare, but it happens. Yeah. They could do nothing but hold each
other as the shark repeatedly whacked theboat with its massive This shark is just
like double the size of what theywere dealing with. Yeah, and it's
just flinging them around the ocean forfun. Oh my gosh. Eventually,
though, the shark got bored andgave up. None of the men slept

(01:22:14):
for the rest of the night.No, I'm still shocked. All three
of them are still alive. It'swild, it really is. But here
we go in the coming days.Mac, who had already been a shell
of himself since the crash, beganto quickly decline, Okay, well,
here we go. I'm always talkingto you San you janxed it I am.
His eyes were sunken, and herarely spoke, choosing instead to blankly
stare off into the distance. Oneevening, Max spoke up quietly, asking

(01:22:40):
the other men if they thought hewould die. Louis felt it disrespectful to
lie to the man and told himgently that he thought Mac wouldn't make it
through the night. Max said nothingfurther, and all three men held each
other and fell asleep. Louis wokeup to the sound of Mac taking his
final breath and heard the man silentlyslid the way so fucking's sad after all

(01:23:03):
that time, you know, andI do feel that we have all earned
a break at this point. Yes, I could definitely use but it's so
sweaty. Okay, we're back still. Unfortunately, Sweaty is dressed out,

(01:23:26):
and I've just informed Shauna that I'mtaking notes on the story as I'm covering
it. I literally don't know howit ends yet. Isn't a full story,
you guys, I don't. I'venever done this before, but I
really don't want spoiler, so I'mjust like reading this book taking notes.
It'd be different. I'm like themost wild story imaginable. I'm just like,
I'm in this with y'all, truly, truly. I also don't know

(01:23:48):
how it's ending. So Tyler,it's so crazy. Okay, Okay,
So the guy died and all theycan do is huddle and cuddle. And
that's where you left us. Yes, that's where we're at. On the
forty sorry thirty fourth day on thesea, Phil and Louie wrap Mac in
a section of the deflated raft andheld a small service for him as they

(01:24:12):
commended his body to the sea.So they're not going the cannibal route.
Okay, although many sailors have donethat and still I wouldn't judge it.
No, absolutely not, not all, but they're like we can't. So
after I think they still like takethe time to do like an honorable service,
you know, like oh my gosh, my heart shrinks. But it's
like they were all each other hadfor like over a month, and like

(01:24:34):
Max saved them on several occasions,even though he did eat all the chocolate,
but like he did like save themfrom like sharks and like, so
you know, even though they weren'tclose before, and they survived all that
time together as three, and it'slike probably so sad just for the other
two, Like, wow, we'redown to two now, like we lost

(01:24:55):
Yeah, we lost it. What'sgonna happen? Yeah, So, after
more than five weeks on the raft, the men had now endured at that
time the longest known stretch of survivalon the open ocean in a raft.
The two men were now skin andbones and covered in salt sores. The
meager food and water they acquired nowstretched further with one man gone, but

(01:25:16):
their hunger pangs were fading, whichis a sign of the final stages of
starvation. Oh so you don't gethungry. Yeah, when you stop feeling
hungry, that's a bad sign.Oh wow. Their minds were still sharp,
though, and the two friends stillspoke endlessly and quizzed each other about
their lives to pass the time.Past the fortieth day, the men started

(01:25:39):
to see more birds and spotted tinyplanes far in the distance. On the
forty sixth day, the day Philpredicted they would hit land, a storm
came upon them, tossing the rafthigh on the sea swells. Phil loved
the storms and treated each wave likea roller coaster. And he's like,
I mean, well, make thebest joy the moment. But this,

(01:26:04):
yeah, but this time at thetop of the swells, the men saw
a smudge of something in the distance. They knew what it was immediately an
island land. As the current pulledthem closer, Louis and Phil saw that
it was actually a string of smallislands grouped together. From their studies,

(01:26:25):
they knew they had to either bethe Marshall Islands or the Gilbert Islands.
Both were unfortunately enemy territory. Themen decided to row closer to the islands
and try and look for one thatseemed uninhabited, so that they could maybe
land and sneak not get killed.Yeah right. Their plans were complicated,

(01:26:46):
however, by that huge storm,which had waves as high as forty feet,
with heavy rainfall and winds ripping themaround the sea. Sometimes they felt
the raft go airborne as the wavethrew them into the air. The men
clung to the raft as the typhoonraged through the night, but by morning

(01:27:08):
the storm had broken and the menwoke to the smell of damp earth,
which would be so wild and stinked. Yeah, that's a different smell.
Whoe. Yeah, it's crazy.They had drifted between two islands. One
was spotted with empty huts, butthey saw no people. There were Japanese

(01:27:28):
planes high overhead, but they didn'tbut the planes didn't see Louis or pill
as they rowed towards the shore.As the men neared the island, they
thought they spotted another island nearby,but were quickly horrified to learn that it
wasn't an island they were seeing.It was a boat. They rowed as
fast as their tired arms would letthem, but it was no use.

(01:27:50):
They had been spotted by the ship, which raced to their location. The
first thing they saw was a machinegun, and then a line of Japanese
men staring down at them. Oneof the Japanese men made them open their
shirts to check for weapons. Theyhad none, of course. They another
fun fact, the raft was likedeteriorating as they were in it, and

(01:28:14):
so all of the yellow paint anddye that had been on the raft got
on their skins. They also lookedbright yellow. Oh my god, they
looked actually like weird skin and bones, bearded, scraggly, yeller, burnt
sores. Yellow. Yeah. Whoa, what a sight. I know,
I can't imagine what they look like. So they have all of these dudes
staring down at them. Then arope was thrown down to Louis. The

(01:28:39):
men were too weak to climb,so a rope ladder was thrown down instead,
and the two men were pulled aboard. After forty seven days of being
castaways, he was right, fortyseven, they were now prisoners of war.
Oh well yeah, yeah, Imean so yeah, yeahh I mean
you don't know. Noh yep,that's where you get part too. Like
that's a little where we will returnnext episode for part two. That sucks

(01:29:04):
because they still have a wasted yeah, girl, like they made it through
all that and then just to bebut it's body. They're like a kiss
away from land and get captured.That's true. Okay, so they didn't
make it to land, but onthe forty seventh. Wow, okay,
crazy town, I know. Andthe fact that they got the math right

(01:29:25):
too is astounding, Like right,that's how that's crazy coincidence? Yeah,
so yeah, okay, Well,wow, what a story. I can't
wait for part two. You're insane. The story's insane. I need to
take a shower. I'm so sweaty, you guys, like, I'm drenched
in sweat. It's kind of hotup here. I drink too much coffee.

(01:29:46):
Yeah, I need to eat somethingvery true. Okay, so real
quick to wrap this up, weneed to shout out a city, City
of the week, City of theweek. Let's just do it. And
that goes too And it's taking everyounce of me to not bust out in

(01:30:12):
song of Hairspray because it's Baltimore,Maryland. Oh good musical. Oh he
used to be one of my favorites. Thanks Baltimore, Baltimore, Marylyn.
We see you, hello, we'relistening. I appreciate you. You enjoy
your shout out. Thanks for listeningif you've made it this far and haven't
passed out from stress, right,Okay, cool? Do you want to

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mention anything you've been listening or watching. I have HBO Max now and I
watched SmartLess on the Road, whichis the podcast with Bolarnette and Jason Bateman
and Sean Hayes, and it's sofunny and I recommend it. Oh,
I've always wanted to try out theirpodcast. If they don't even like show
the show, it's like them preparingfor the show. So it's like a
lot of them in the hotel room, so it's like them just being the

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themselves together and it's really funny.I love all of them individually, so
I'm sure together they're hilarious. JasonBateman's a lot weirder than I thought.
Really. Yeah, he's a veryparticular man. Huh. I love him
though. Okay, he's funny.That's a good wreck. I like that.
Yep, watch that you guys,because this episode was you need some
funny light, you need something lightand funny. Yeah, yep, catch

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that. Okay, I don't haveanything. All right, Well, good
app and good night, all right. Credits are short and sweet. I
read the book Unbroken by Laura LauraHillenbrand and looked at Wikipedia dot com.

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Our music is by Broke for Freeand Matt Edwards, and we are edited
by Michael. All Right, shouldI list our social media? Please?
Do? We have a lot ofour things that ancient Unafraid the Pod,
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