Episode 111: Imaginary Female Troubles (Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum, AKA Weston State Hospital)

In this week's episode, Shawna makes the crew feel downright terrible as she covers the notorious Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. Also know as the Weston State Hospital, the sprawling property was once built with good intentions, but took a downward turn and became known for its horrid conditions and treatment of its patients.
Tune in to learn all about the history of the hospital as well as the paranormal activity that inevitably follows such a place.

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Episode Transcript

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Oh, this is the yes,so you said murder, Lol, Hello,
I'll just a little murder. Hello, Hey guys, welcome, Welcome.

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I'm Mabbie and I'm Seana. Andthis is Anxious and Afraid, the
podcast where we talk about terrible things. Yep, mostly terrible. Don't make
you feel anxious or afraid? Yep, say it every time? Here we
go. So, so what's up? So we even had like the same
tone like soup. So we're here. Here, we are on the hottest

(00:52):
of hot days. It is thehottest of hot days. We're in the
middle of a heat wave. Heatwave. We're talking like, oh,
basically one hundred degrees. I mean, for sure, for sure is use
today. It's nasty, it's prettyintense. Other than that, what made
you anxious or afraid? Recently?Think you were asking, oh my god

(01:15):
again, besides everything in my entireexistence, I'm actually quite anxious and afraid
at the moment. So if Isound quite annoying, that's you are wiggling
around. I need to stop.Okay, I'm just nervous for this episode.
But anyways, I don't know,uh, I mean, we're talking,
I mean America, we sadly livein it. I'm really embarrassed of

(01:38):
us, right, I mean,and it's the start of the downfall of
the year. It's an election year, which is already horrible. Yeah,
as a baseline, and then Ialready knew I was going to be like
upset most of the year. Ithink I'm more upset than I was planning
on being. I mean, wejust got like this will date the podcast,

(02:01):
I guess, but I mean thefirst debate just happened. It wasn't
so great, Biden and Tru Nope, everyone's scared. A lot of us
people they were. It's yeah,the fact that we're already talking about it
too is exhausting. And I hateit that we just literally election yeers like
all year long technically, So Imean that's where he's starting to get me,

(02:23):
okay, and I don't know howto handle it. I don't know
how to associate enough. I know, it's I'm not sure if I'm prepared
because even if something, even ifthe good outcome happens, it's just the
process of it, and that wehave kids now, and it like is
physically it's hard on my body.Yeah, yes, like kind a visceral

(02:44):
reaction in my body where I'm like, oh, I can't, I must
go. I'm gonna. I don'tthink I know. Actually, anyone that
watched for more than just a fewminutes then just turned it off couldn't even
handle a solid five Nope, justread the highlights or non highlights later.
Yeah, So our friends outside ofthe US, please pray for us.
It's not fun going through this.Yeah. And also, I get it

(03:07):
if you want to make fun ofus, but can you just be gentle
about it because we're already in abad place. Yeah, a lot of
us are. This is not ourfault and we don't know how to stop
it what we want. So that'swhere I'm at. So that's going to
be my excuse for the rest ofthe year. It's an election year,
Blake, I'm just going to usethat. I'll start that that works,
sure. Well. Michael and Iare on vacation right now. Good for

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you guys, Thank you. It'sthe first one we've had in a while,
yeah, since THEO. Yeah,and we are planning going to the
beach house, have fun. Iknow it's gonna be Theo's first beach experience.
He loves it. I know,his first overnight experience. Somewhere else.

(03:53):
So it's a lot of firsts.I'm a little scared, okay to
be scared, but we're hoping forthe best. We're i think we're right
now in a delusional mindset where we'relike everything's gonna be great, nothing to
stay there, wrong, stay thereuntil you get there, yeah, and
then you'll freak out. I'm nothelping. I think I'm also more just

(04:13):
like logistically, how we're gonna fitall the things that we need to fit
in our car because there's so muchmore things to bring. You're bringing a
whole nother person. Whole other person, and we're taking a whole ass foldable
like mattress with us because the onethey're so awful, and we're all just
gonnary and sleep together like on thismattress that we're bringing on the floor.
Yeah, but it takes a lotof space. And so I'm just like

(04:36):
I keep like virtually playing Tetris,like in my mind of healthy, you're
gonna pack and uh, I've yougot the wrap. You're fine, You're
gonna be great. Yeah, you'llfind ways. So anyway, that's what
we're doing. You are gonna havea good time. We're gonna have great
photos. Yeah, and Roskin isgonna go They're gonna be probably gonna get
good weather. It is. It'sgonna be like seventies, sixties, seventies,

(04:59):
right, so could up. Yeah, which on the beach feels a
lot hotter. I've gotten one ofthe worst burns of my life, like
underestimating beach sun. So yeah,because it's like slightly cooler and it's very
windy, so you don't feel theburn happening as much. And the sun
there is, it's I feel likeit's just more intense on the beach the
sun because of the water reflection.Yeah something, but probably it'll fright crispy,

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so you gotta be careful. Butyeah, that's what we're gonna do.
And I think it's gonna be great. And I'll give you guys the
update when we're back. I can'twait here at all about it. Yeah.
Oh, I did have a correctionfrom last Oh, Clearing Conscience Corner,
the Clearing Conscious Corner. I knowthat's so hard to say, but

(05:42):
it reappeared it did. I forgotall about it. I think I did
it one time. Well, Ithink last episode we referenced the podcast and
that's why we drink and I ammy favorite it is And I accidentally misgendered
I said G and they go byday them, yeah, and like maybe

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nobody even noticed, but I did, and it made me feel bad.
We just want to correct it intothe universe, and we never do it
on purpose, and we just justkeep correcting ourselves and we love them.
Yeah, and so I just wantto say I didn't do that on purpose,
and I'm sorry, and uh yeah, go listen to their podcast.
It's good, Oh my gosh,it's so good. It's one of our

(06:23):
favorites. It's when we kept westill keep up on and we almost tried
to see them, but then wasit COVID got in the way, and
then pregnancy got in the way.Yeah. Yeah, so we never got
to see them together. The monththat we were supposed to go see them,
the world shut down. Yeah yeah. And then when they rescheduled,
I was hell a pregnant, helllike about to pop, yeah, like

(06:45):
like a week or two away,like not even not even a even I
was like, is it safe enoughto go two hours away? I was
willing to kind of do it,and you guys were like, Shauna,
you're crazy. I shut it down, like we're not doing that when you're
as pregnant as you are. Thatit was really insane. It would have
been fine, though, I wouldhave it would have been fine. Oh

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well, oh well, maybe it'sin the cards for a different show.
We'll see. We'll try again forsure. Yeah. So anyway, I
don't think I have anything else.Nah nah, oh yeah, that means
you have to talk uncomfortable already,don't be I've done this a million times

(07:27):
or a hundred and something. Butwhat is more like? If more like
fifty ish ifts fifty? If wecut in a half? Yeah? Ish
ish? What are we on?One? O? Nine? I never
I keep forgetting the episode numbers?What are all of them? Oh?
I did like you won one onequestion? Okay, we'll talk about that

(07:49):
at the end as my recommendation.Okay, so we have a not fun
topic to talk about. Ya.I don't know how to get into it,
even though I have notes right infront of me. I'm curious what
you picked because like we did thatlittle pole okay, yes, And I

(08:11):
was like, is she gonna isshe gonna like look at that? Yeah,
she's gonna pick Okay, so letme Okay, Yes, so I
did. I did take that intoconsideration, okay, because that was a
fun I didn't expect a little polland people actually participated and they wanted to
go. Quite a few people participated, Yeah, which we out of y'all
right, we love that. Yeah, and so I wanted to honor that,
and so I did go the paranormalish route. That's how it started.

(08:37):
Okay, Well, then then itkind of turned into the reality of
it was so much worse. Ohno. And so I do talk a
lot about that, which is what'soh no, kind of like the Daniel
little Plant episode I did, whereit kind of seemed paranormal in the beginning,
but then he was just a murderer, a creepy Oh there was the

(08:58):
guy that hid in the in thehouse, right right. Uh, I
don't know, you tell me that, You tell me later, okay,
Okay. So I'm just I'm notgonna tell you like the Okay, let
me just get into it because it'sa little bit backstory, a little history,
and when we wind a little bitbefore we hit to the punchline of
the topic. Okay, I'm here. I'm here for the journey. Okay,

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thank you. Okay, So takingus back, it's a colonial America.
Briefly, well, it was justthe fourth of July, so appropriate,
yes, okay, yeah, we'rein the seventeen hundreds right now.
Briefly so, it was believed thatany person who was found to be mentally
ill was completely incurable. Okay.If somebody mentally ill didn't have family,

(09:43):
they would typically end up in jailalongside violent criminals. But even families who
claimed their mentally ill family members wouldtypically hide them in shame, hiding them
away in atticts, sheds, oreven holes in the ground. Geeesus okay,
yeah, they were just like,we really don't want to see that.

(10:05):
So that's the that's the history ofhumans being awful to being awful,
wanting to sweep things under the rug, out of sight, out of mind.
Yeah, don't want to look atit. Don't want to don't want
to look at the problem. Youdon't want to deal with the problem.
Very dark. Yeah, that's notfun, that's not fun. Okay.
So it wasn't even until seventeen inthe seventeen seventies that facilities were even specifically

(10:28):
made for the mentally ill. Buteven so, during that time that it
was kind of a place that wasaway from society, and that was to
get you away from society. Yeah, not really treat or take care of
you, but no put you away. Yeah. And the conditions were awful.
Yeah, so it wasn't really anybetter. But real quick, before

(10:50):
we get into too dark of stuff, I'm going to talk about a badass
woman named Dorothea Dix, a Dix, Dorothea, Dorothea Dorothea, Okay,
Dix Dix, Yeah, okay.It wasn't until she came along in the
mid eighteen hundreds to become known asone of the first people to expose such

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horrible treatment to these patients. Oh, okay, Dorothea Dix should be remembered.
She lived from eighteen oh two toeighteen seventy eight. At the age
of just fifteen years old, sheopened up her own private school for young
girls because education for girls was literallydenied at that time. Oh wow,

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we love her, We love her. She's so great. She's like blazoned
trails. I know, look ather. Go. It was in eighteen
forty one when she ended up visitinga jail in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and
this is where she witnessed with herown eyes the terrible treatment of people who
were mentally sick. They would oftenbe naked and chained up to waltz in

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cold, dark cells with no ventilation. God, this's like, what the
fuck it's it's barbaric. It's sobad, I mean Jesus, Yeah,
yeah, sorry you guys, I'msorry. Okay. So she was obviously,
as we all are, very disturbedby this, and from then on

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it was her life calling to awais awareness of this kind of horrible treatment
to the mentally ill and that theywere facing this kind of terrible like they
had no help, but they werecompletely helpless, and why are we treating
them as just as bad as youknow, like murderers, I mean like
sub human, like probably worse nothumans. Yeah, they're just like not

(12:39):
taking into account that they feel thingslike we do. They're still a person,
Like what is happening? Yeah,it's really crazy. I can't believe
we used to do that to people. I mean I can, but like
it's really hard to wrap your mindaround it. Yeah. Today, it
was only a couple hundred years agothat treat I mean not even a couple
hundred years ago. The older Iget, I'm just like, oh yeah,

(13:03):
the eighteen hundreds so long ago,and I'm just like, not really
relatively speaking, not it's yeah,if you look at the grand scheme of
things, people live a long time, so it's just a few generations ago.
Yeah, weird, Okay, Okay, So she actually caused so much
public outrage that she got the attentionof the Massachusetts state legister, Legislator Liture.

(13:31):
I can't speak. I'm gonna goright past that, you know what
I mean. We won't be repeatingit. Thank you, please forgive that
one in Okay. So then thatperson provided more funding to improve the condition.
So at least like traction happened andthey got more money. So she

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did a positive change there. That'sgood, which is how you do it,
girl. Yeah. Finally, inTrenton, New Jersey, in eighteen
forty eight was the very first statehospital for the mentally sick that was built
in the US. Sorry if thatmade sense. So Dorothea was actually awarded
for her efforts when the hospital officiallyopened because it was her efforts that kind

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of were like, Okay, we'regonna start building better hospitals to treat these
people better. So she got recognized, which I feel like, you don't
hear about in the olden days,like a woman. Yeah, usually a
man would come along be like,actually I did that. I'd take the
credit. Yeah, yeah, thatis actually really impressive. And like she
started from such a young age too, Like who starts to school and they're

(14:37):
fifteen? Are you still in school? I know what I guess back then,
you're already an adult. I'm alreadymarried. That's yeah. We love
her. I love all. Yeah, she's school. I thought she was
definitely worth mentioning a little bit more. She ended up traveling all over the
US as well as places in Europeand Asia to keep the discussion going of

(14:58):
the issue and being the voice anadvocate for change and treatment for those helpless
people. Nice get it. It'sa sad little ending for her life,
though. She did end up fallingvictim to mental illness herself. Wow,
because she would start experiencing all thesemental breakdowns after seeing all of these terrible

(15:20):
places. Oh well that okay,that makes that makes sense. I mean
it would get to me too.You're seeing it with your own eyes.
That's pretty traumatic over and over.Yeah. God, the PTSD I'm sure
she experience was wild. Yeah,and it was she herself who admitted herself
to the very hospital that honored herin New Jersey. Whoa and a twists

(15:41):
right, and she had her ownapartment there for the rest of her years.
Whoa and also very like self aware, like checking myself rather than having
someone else do it. Likesh.Yeah, wow, that's really interesting.
She is also still kind of badassof you to like, well, I
don't know, I mean, justwhat a twist. It's such an end.

(16:03):
Yeah, interesting, got it.I had to mention her. It's
very yeah, very interesting. Soare you talking about a hospital today?
Yeah, so there is the wherewe come and mention our main subject today,
and our focus is on one ofthe most infamous lunatic asylums in America.
Oh, do you have any guesses? Do you know any of them?
I feel like I know so many, but if you would ask me

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to name what I couldn't. Iguess I watch enough ghost shows that I
kind of know a good handful ofthem. But yeah, this one's like
the top of the top of thelist. Okay, what is it?
It is West Virginia's trans Allegheny LunaticAsylum. Oh okay, that sounds very
familiar. Yeah, yeah, that'san iconic name. Yeah, Ghost Adventures

(16:47):
has been there. Oh, allthe ghost shows have been there. I
will talk about one of them,one of the cool ones. Okay,
Okay. So this was first knownas Weston State Hospital. The construction for
it began in eighteen fifty eight.Initially started to be built by prisoners,
but then a German and Irish stonemasonswere hired to take over. Okay.

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Eventually all construction was halted in eighteensixty two due to the Civil War.
Oh shit, yeah, because thatwas happening, remember no I forgot Wow,
So they were it was kind ofan okay, so it wasn't finished
at then at that time, butthere was like building. It was still

(17:32):
a building, just not functional,I guess. Okay. So both Union
and Confederate soldiers ended up occupying thebuilding during the Civil War time whoa all
the way until the end of thewar. Crazy. Yeah, So they
had their time there, like literally, wow, so you get four years,
I mean, on top of allthe other ghosts, you get Civil
War soldiers. You start off withCivil War soldiers who classic ghosts? Wow?

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Yeah Okay. Construction then resumed andlasted all the way until eighteen eighty
one. Well after the first admissionof patients. This building is two hundred
and forty two thousand square feet ortwenty two thousand, five hundred square meters.

(18:15):
I think it's actually bigger, closerto five hundred thousand square feet because
of they've added on throughout the decades. Oh wow, So trans Alleghany Lunatic
Asylum is the largest handcut stone buildingin America hand cut. Yeah, and
it's the second largest handcut stone buildingin the world, in the world,

(18:38):
next to the Kremlin that is inRussia. Yeah, the biggest building had,
Isn't that where that's number one?Is that where Putin lays his little
Putin head? I don't know,I think so right, I don't know
little Pooty. Don't want to upsethim. But yes, that's the largest.

(19:00):
This is the second largest in theworld for hand for specifically handcut stone
building. What wow. So it'spretty big. It's like crazy. Yeah,
okay, I had, just likewhen we talked about the Civil War,
all of a sudden, a flashbackto a Ghost Adventures episode, and
I'm wondering if that's the one I'mthinking of. Probably not, because I
looked it up. If there wasa ghost episode and it was one of

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their live events. They're one oftheir first live events for Halloween, and
I totally remember watching that on Halloweennight, and so there wasn't together.
We might have I might have forcedyou during that time because we were young.
I feel like it was early gotchtogether. And I just remember them
getting like an image of a civilwar, like probably of the body heat
one that they do or the doyou know what I'm talking about, the

(19:45):
thermal image normal imaging. Yeah,I feel like they did, but I
don't know anyway. I mean,they definitely were there. I mean all
that, like all the ghost showswere there. But I just remember I
was like trying to look for theepisode because I wanted to rewatch it it
was so old, but it turnedout to be one of their live episodes,
so there I couldn't find the episode. Oh okay, but I mean
classic. Yeah. Anyways, Ijust had to correct you. Okay,

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So I know my Ghost Adventure,you know better than I do, Nurse.
I haven't seen it in a while. I feel like it's one of
those shows that now I can't seriouslywatch it. I have to. Oh,
it's still just as bad and corny. Yeah, because it's so bad
that I laugh at it open Ineed someone to laugh. But I love
it. I laugh at it.I mean, yeah, it's it's terribly

(20:29):
great. And you know what I'msaying, Yeah, good time. It's
a good time. Okay. Anyways, where was I? Okay? Yeah,
so the band cut stones. It'sa big ass building, yes,
yes, okay. So the verymiddle of it has a two hundred foot
or sixty one meter tall clock towerkind of gives its like iconic look.
I think it's very eerie. Sothe center of the building is kind of

(20:53):
like the hotel lobby vibe of it, where the front desk is the office
it's you know, has rugs furniture, I guess. And then on each
side of the hospital are hospital wings. Okay, So the construction of the
building followed what they called the Kirkbrideplan. That's hard to say, Kirkbride

(21:15):
plan, Okay, named after doctorThomas Story Kirkbride, I have to talk
really Sodom not screw up. Couldhave guessed that it was a guy named
Kirkbride. Of course he was awhite man, sure, of course.
So if viewed from above, itresembles a very shallow V shaped along with

(21:36):
staggered hallways for each wing. Okay, that makes sense. So this is
this is a design that's meant tocapture like the optimum optimum sunlight and airflow
for each section. Okay. Soit's like that's a good thought. You
want each section to have equal amountof sunlight and air Yeah. I mean
that's definitely why I'm not any kindof a builder or build planner, because

(22:00):
I wouldn't have ever thought about architects. Yeah, architect of the word.
And that's actually quite the popular designfor all, like over three hundred asylums
across America is the same staggered Vdesign. Okay, fun fat, I
guess. Okay. So this facilitywas to be entirely self sufficient, including

(22:22):
things like livestock, dairy, agarden, a cemetery. Patients were meant
to roam free from restraints, witha variety of different mental and physical stimulating
activities to choose from. Oh thatsounds nice. So I mean the thought
was good intentioned, and it wasthere and it lasted for point two seconds.

(22:44):
I was like, yeah, itusually starts that way and then just
immediately goes to shit. Yeah,it was a nice thought in the beginning.
They tried, they did, we'restill trying. Okay. So trans
Alleghany was built to comfortably house twohundred and fifty patients, so of course
they probably way overloaded that shit.I'll get to that. Ye. However,

(23:07):
throughout the decades, anyone could beplaced in a mental institution for literally
any reason you can possibly ever makeup in your brain, especially if you're
a lady, especially if you're alady. So I have some of my
favorite maddening reasons why people were droppedoff there. Oh my god. Okay,

(23:30):
So this is literally in like thewhat would you call it, I
don't know. It's like the historicallike check in sheet, oh, okay,
of list of reasons during like thelate eighteen hundreds. It's mission papers.
Yeah, okay, So it's fromlike the documents from there, okay.

(23:52):
And this is how they word alot of these reasons. Oh god,
imaginary female troubles. I'm already somad. Imaginary They're like, she
wanted to vote, that was aproblem for us. Oh, she had
cramps because she was on her period. That's not true. You're not making
it up. It's imaginary, imaginaryfemale troubles. Okay, taking medicine to

(24:17):
prevent conception, so birth control couldn'tdo that. Insane? What this novel
reading? You're out novel reading literallyreading a book. Oh my god,
I'm already in there for like threereasons, all of the reasons. Yeah,
every box for me. If yourparents were known to be cousins,

(24:37):
that's not fair. Why are younot fair? There? You should go?
If anything good point punishing me.Another maddening. One one of my
favorites is desertion from your husband.Just literally your husband dropped drop there because
he didn't want you anymore. Wait, like but like saying like you left
him, so they put you inthere, or like he no, he

(24:59):
dropped like your husband dropped you offand deserted you like a like a baby
at a fire station. Yeah,and so now you're now you have nowhere
to go, so you're in this. Now you're in the asylums. Just
dropped off. Wow. Okay,yeah, Also I'm the Another list was
or Another reason was rumor to rumorto murder your husband. Just a rumor,

(25:22):
so anyone could have said, ohI heard a rumor you're gonna murder
your husband asylum asylum. Wow.And then here's a quick one of just
more stupidity, laziness, jealousy,masturbation, whether that be too much or
too little, greediness, grief,bad company, and bad whiskey. Bad

(25:42):
company. This person's a lame hangSo to the asylum with you. The
whiskey was bad, so how darethey bad whiskey? Bad whiskey is literally
listed as a reason. What alist. I feel like you don't have
to do much to get in there. I mean, if you're a woman,
you blink and you're in there.Imaginary female problem. Gosh, we're

(26:07):
still we're still dealing with that anyways. Okay, so it is no wonder
why in the nineteen fifties, transAlleghany reached its peak in the amount of
patients it held with do you wantto like maybe guess the number or how
many times bigger? So the capacitywas too fifty to fifty. So I'm

(26:29):
gonna say they put like twelve hundred. So they did ten times more than
the attended amount, and so itwas about twenty four hundred people. Oh,
I thought double that. I thoughtI was going high. Yeah,
so double your number? Holy shit? Yah bad? I mean they had

(26:51):
like five two more people in aroom, They had people laying in the
hallways. I mean, oh no, oh no, it got really bad.
And I'm sure they were not staffedwell. No, no, I
don't know. Silly, silly,your female problems. There's actually no clear

(27:15):
number of exactly how many people havedied at Trans Allegheny, but it has
been stated it's safe to say thatit's uh, probably well over ten thousand
deaths, maybe even twenty thousand.I've heard and other sources. And they
had a cemetery, you said,oh no, a more like I mean,

(27:36):
it was a whole. It wasa whole slick city. That's a
lot, kind of but it's alot. It was in business for quite
a long time. We would bein that asylum, so fast time traveled.
Oh yes, this place has murder, torture treatments, violent patients against
each other and the staff because somethingI don't necessarily always think about. But

(28:02):
the nurses also had to endure alot of physical and sexual abuse from patients,
especially if they're not like staffed well, and you're just overwhelmed with people
and they're women, yeah, andyou know they're not I don't think they're
necessarily ill intell intended, but yeah. So yeah, so they're they're they're

(28:22):
getting abused, which is like scarybecause that's your job and you're I wonder
like, so this place housed menand women mm hmm. Okay, oh
and children and children sad. I'llget to I'll get to some of that,
Okay. So some of the horrifictherapies they practiced there were Okay,

(28:44):
we're getting into it a little bit. We're dipping our toes. Shock therapy.
So the first one I have iselectro shock therapy. It would shock
you lots of fun. Hydro Therapyjust pretty much like ice baths, bath,
hot or cold, stuck in therefor hours. Insulin shock therapy that's
when they literally, like I think, inject insulin on you and they do

(29:08):
it for the purpose of putting youin a coma. Oh, I don't
think I've heard of that one.Oh I think there's been a like a
never mind, but yeah, I'veheard of it kind of being done before.
Oh, that's fucked up. Soit's really Yeah, there's other medicine
that was used to actually treat psychoticdisorders, but the use of this was

(29:32):
to put again patients in a catatonicstate. So then it would be easier
for them to like manipulate them intheir bodies. They would be strapped into
the beds. Sometimes the beds wouldeven have cages on top of them,
and they would be there for hourssometimes days. Oh my god. And

(29:53):
I the claustrophobia, A lot ofit's upseting god. I mean I definitely
knew about the drugs because I mean, what's yeah, the easiest way to
deal and the person you don't wantto be dealing and not using it appropriately,
but enough to sedate them. Yeah, just make them like catatonic basically,

(30:15):
so sad. It's super it's notthat's not treatment. That's just like
all against their wills, treating themlike a problem so that you don't have
to deal with it. Sick.Yeah, ooh, it's it's just yeah,
it's been hard to read about that. Yeah, So do you get
it? This is rough stuff.Very It makes you feel so icky.

(30:37):
Yeah, it makes you feel dirty, icky, icky. Yeah. Okay.
Another form of quote unquote treatment wasdone was called a wet pack.
This is where they would take soakingwet blankets, wrap them around patients and
place them lying down. Then theblankets would dry up tightly because their bodies

(31:00):
even more, and they would thenmake them feel like they were on fire
because they were so hot. Ohwhat the that's a different one too that
I don't think I've ever heard of. Yeah, like a cocoon, like
they're cocooning them. Yeah, Idon't like that. Oh I don't feel
like more intense because it's like drippingwet, heavy water. Oh, it's
taking my toes on like flex andlike my like yeah, you're like bodies

(31:23):
stuck being wet, so you're likeprobably like wrinkly and like you're cold,
and then you're really hot and it'sjust like torture because you can't move.
I don't even like sleeping bags.I don't like to be zipped up in
a sleeping bag. Yeah, Iget really clastrophobic. I could totally get
that making me. If I did, I would probably have like half of
it unzipped. Yeah, I usuallyhave to be able to get my foot

(31:44):
out. Sure, I get that. Oh that's awful. Oh those poor
people. M hmmmm hmmm mm hmmmmhmmm hmmmm. So the worst treatment.
No, we didn't wi botom me. Okay, I was gonna ask it.
I was gonna ask if you wantedto guess. Okay, yeah,

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so this the worst treatment of all, was becoming very well known and popular
during this time, and it wasthe ice pick the bottomy. That one
is so disturbing. Oh, it'sso disturbing. Rough, So this is
where we want to take a quickbreather to mentally prepare for the rest.
Sure, okay, okay, Hi, are we a little bit more calm,

(32:38):
to get a little bit more upset? I guess you know, I'm
sorry. I typed this so bad. It's fine. I mean it's not,
but I'm fine. I will beWe'll be fine. Yeah, I'll
get through it. I guess maybeI should put a disclaimer, but I
mean yeah, I mean maybe Ilove Yeah, here we are. This
is what we talk about. Wetalked about terrible things. I did this.

(33:00):
You for like two episodes in arow, so you did. It's
really it's fine, okay, allright, well here we go. Okay,
it's my story. Okay. It'sestimated that over four thousand lombotomies were
performed, and some of them publiclydemonstrated at trans Alleghany four thousand just at
that hospital, yes, okay,because obviously there was more done throughout the

(33:22):
country, right, But that's alot. That's a lot. Four thousand
if you really think about that,that's a lot. Wait did you say
the time, like how long itwas done for? Yes? I will
get into that. Okay, lookat you, Okay, four thousand waight
over what period of time? BecauseI don't have the years. But here

(33:44):
I'll tell you. Okay, letme tell my story. Okay. I
don't want to though. It's terrible. Okay. So the ice pick method,
if you do not know, Iguess I will describe it. That
is where they take a long,thin metal such as nice pick, and
they would place that inside the patient'seye socket. I think it started out

(34:07):
up the nose and then it wasthe eye socket. And both are terrible.
Yeah, I've both. I hateit because they go through like the
tear duct area. Yeah, likethe yeah, the inside eye socket,
tear duct inside by the nose.Michael's having such a hard time. I'm
so sorry, Michael. I'm tryingpast with eyeballs. Me neither. Oh

(34:28):
my gosh, don't look up thepictures, you guys, just don't.
I don't think I ever have,and I don't plan to. You don't
need to know the description of theexistence. Enough is terrible. It's yeah,
my brain does just fine imagining upterrible things, not even at the
worst part. And I need it. I need I need to rip it
off like a band aid. Youguys, okay, Michael, closed your

(34:50):
ears, close your little baby ears. Okay. So it's placed in the
eye socket and then with little tono anesthetic at all, they would hammer
the rod into the brain and separatethe connective tissues at the front level of
the brain. It's so rom hammering. It's like a it's probably like a

(35:13):
good it's like a hard tap.I can just I can just hear it.
And they're literally just like like they'retrying to separate your the brain from
the skull. They're scrambling brain.It's so upsetting. Who thought this was
an actual medical procedure. They thoughtthis was a good thing, so clinical

(35:36):
about it. They're like, okay, and now we're just gonna just do
it. This is the new,cool, trendy thing. I don't understand
it. No, it's this iswhere I'm just like, yeah, okay,
you can't maybe trust you know,quote unquote experts all the time,
not this one, not this,not this situation. It's so disturbing,

(35:58):
so disturbing. Yeah, wild times, man, wild times. Mm hmm.
Okay, it was just by medicalprofessionals like guys, and it's like
they were performed on like kids,like I don't even want to tell you
the youngest age, but it's tooyoung kids. And obviously obviously no one

(36:19):
really had consents over this. Obviouslywho would be down for that? Didn't
JFK's sister stop it right now,shut your mouth, like, shut it,
because okay, I just always thinkabout her for too, and I
had to bring her up. Whydo I think about her so much?
Sorry? I love this. Ilove that you know where I'm going and

(36:40):
you're at the right spot. Wellwe are the same, so we are
so it's like you know me orsomething. Yeah, okay, anyways,
real quick before we get into that. Yeah, so a procedure like this,
unfortunately is also upsetting because it takeslike maybe like four to five minutes.
I was just about to say,it's so fast. They were just
so like one after another. Theywould literally have like a line of people

(37:06):
and they would just bring them inone by one, five minute hammering,
five minute hearing and then like justso upsetting how many they did. Can
you imagine being in that line andhow quickly that line is moving. And
it was like done where like peoplecan like observe from the top, like
it was like being educated, Likeit was educational, like this is the

(37:27):
new procedure to help mental Yeah,and it's like not like super bloody procedures.
So it's probably like, no,they didn't need an operating room,
they didn't technically need a surgeon,they didn't need like proper doctors, and
just some guys was just doing it. It's really upset. Okay, so

(37:49):
if this alone didn't kill the patients, it left him with irreparable yeah,
thank you, brain damage, hemorrhages. That's the point exactly. It's exactly
the point unfortunately, I guess.Yeah, loss of personality and even basic
body functions. Yeah. That's whatI don't understand is like what what what's

(38:12):
the payoff like so that they're likebasically catatonic, like and you don't have
to give them drugs, Like that'sthe whole point. It's just so like
I guess they were like I mean, if you're thinking that they're well intentioned,
like oh, this should just likecalm them down, like but it's
so barbaric. I don't understand whereyou get that conclusion. Yeah, especially

(38:35):
when there's so many people where likethey just lost body function and it's just
like kind of immediately, like somany patients actually did die immediately, or
just like it's okay, like theywould okay, so like they would stop
like hammering. They knew it workedwhen the like person stopped fighting and stopped
moving, like it's not so upsettingso much. I hate it so much
and I'm so sorry. Okay,let's get through this. So yes,

(38:57):
let's talk about cha case. Whatwas it? Rose Rosemary May? She
was pretty her picture, she's Imean, of course she's Kennedy. They're
all pretty, Yeah, they're Sheis a very very sad story. If
you don't know about her. Shewas unfortunately subject to labotomy. She was
the forgotten sister, hidden shame ofJFKRFK. I don't think anything it was

(39:22):
actually ever wrong with Rosemary. LikeI think she was just a normal person.
Okay. That's what I've also heardwas that she wasn't actually mentally ill.
She was just maybe a little bitmore independent or like fiercely independent.
They want because she's a female Kennedy. Yeah, because she has like and
residencies to win, but it wasn'tallowed. Yeah, Like that's maybe just

(39:45):
her personality of being a badass womenlike yeah, and so her father didn't
like that. Mm hmm. SoJoseph Kennedy is not the best human being
that I've heard of, and hewas just finding her difficult and out of
control. And she was twenty twoyears old, twenty two and they were
like, oh, well, she'ssneaking out of convent school. So I

(40:05):
mean, she's definitely trouble. Iwouldn't sneak out of convent school. That
sounds terrible for I'm a hot bitchKennedy and you want me to be a
nun? No right, I'm therewith you. Oh god. Yeah.
The injustice of it all is just, oh gosh, I feel so bad
for her. Anyways. So yeah, so this Joseph Kennedy, the father

(40:30):
of these famous Kennedy's, didn't wantto you know, damage their family name,
their reputation, jeopardize the future politicalcareers of his sons. Oh not
the sons. So what the logicalexplanation thing to do is, you know,
don't tell your wife and don't getthe consent of your daughter, obviously,
and just schedule the lobotomy way.He didn't even tell his wife.

(40:52):
No, you imagine I would instantlyleave you. Also, he probably actually
be violent. Yes, that isso unacceptable, because I mean so the
mother must have been against it,or probably I mean yeah, I mean
clearly he doesn't care about her opinionor her wants their needs if he's lobotomizing

(41:15):
his daughter. But okay, forthis, I'm not defending this guy whatsoever.
However, I will say the timeit was very popular, it was
being known as a medical procedure,like, oh, it'll just calm her
down, She'll exactly, She'll stillbe her exactly. I think he literally
did hear that from a doctor,like, hey, you might want to

(41:37):
think about, you know, givingher a lobotomy supposed to calm her down.
You might want to think about braindamage for your daughter. I think
it's gonna be really good for her. So he took it and ran with
it, and I just can't believeit. That's bullshit. He must have
known that it wasn't good if hedidn't tell anyone right like he should.
If he thought it was all aboveboard, he would have told his wife.
I feel like, yeah, Ithink he just wanted a quick fix

(41:59):
and it didn't work out and thenhe got screwed. Fuck her, she
got screwed. Yeah, poor girl, it was only twenty two. She's
a child anyways. Yeah, soit was actually like I don't think she
had the typical ice pick. Ithink it was like an actual incision unfortunately,
well to the rich person's lobotomy.Don't worry. Yeah, it seems

(42:20):
a little odd, but yeah,we're drugs, like we'll put her under.
She was instantly reduced to the functionalityof a two year old like she
had. She didn't know how tospeak or walk or like eat. I
just and she lived for a longtime. She spent the rest of her
life in an institution. Can youimagine like into her so heartbreaking, Like

(42:43):
you had your whole life ahead ofyou, Kennedy. I can't believe you're
a Kennedy. I can't believe.And they like literally wanted to like forget
you. Like I think some ofthe siblings visited her throughout the years.
I remember hearing that it's in JFKlike always. I think he did,
but I mean that's so mess I'msure they were upset too. I mean,

(43:04):
they were just kids themselves and they'relike, what the heck happened to
Rosemary? Yeah? Oh you did? You? Like this was on your
order, like you wanted this done? The oldest girl. Yeah, sad
story. Wow, she could gether own episode. Probably she could have.
But wow. Okay, So anyways, for decades with extreme overpopulation,

(43:25):
poor sanitation, moldy windows, peelingwalls, lack of furniture and heat trans
Alleghany already appeared to be abandoned beforeit officially was, and it closed down
in nineteen ninety four. Ninety four, we were alive. That's way too

(43:46):
recent. Ninety four. Wow,that's gross. Wow. Yes, it
wasn't until a man named Joe Jordanended up winning the highest bid and purchased
the building in two thousand and thenseven winner. Congrats on all of this
bad energy. I know, likewhat, yeah, why would anyone actually

(44:07):
want the responsibility of that? ButI mean people are out there one atrocious
vibes in a building. Rich peoplereally spend their money on interesting things sometimes,
you know, and not the rightthings. Yeah. I really don't
get it. Probably never will becausewe will never be rich. But yeah,
the main center of the building actsas a museum. Okay. They

(44:31):
have a room showing poems, paintings, and other art done by the patients.
Another room is dedicated to artifacts fromall like the physical treatment and restraints
used on the patients. So that'sa creepy room. That's a little bit
more bid. Yeah, there's evensome Civil War artifacts I believe displayed.

(44:51):
Oh. Trans Alleghany currently offers daytimetours and nighttime ghost hunts in order to
to raise money to slowly restore partsof the asylum. Okay, yeah,
so he's wanting to restore it,and so all that money goes to the
back to the building restore it towhat end? I don't know. I

(45:12):
don't understand the endgame. But Imean, like to make more of a
museum out of it, like maybeas a historic site, I guess,
but like I mean to make moneyat least I mean, I guess.
I don't know. You're making moneyto make more money, got it?
Got it? Got it? Sure, she's just a share Okay. So
here's some of the like haunty terriblestories of ghosts and stuff. Okay,

(45:32):
here we go. One of themost known ghosts here might be something you
want to expect and that is thespirit of a young girl named Lily.
Lily. It is believed that sheprobably spent her entire life at the asylum.
Sad because yes, children would stayat the asylums, whether their moms
were pregnant when they were placed inthe asylum, or moms were like literally

(45:55):
the only caretaker for their child,and so like if they were dropped off
at the asylum, so is theirkid, and the kid just stayed in
the room with them. So they'renot the kids not necessarily mentally ill exactly,
but their mom is and they havenowhere to go, so they have
to go in there with their mom. So there's a good handful of children
I just grew up there. Theydidn't know anything else, Like literally didn't

(46:17):
know the walls outside of that building. Isn't that the most sickning thing?
And so yeah, because like whathappens when like their parents passes, Like
they don't want to know. Idon't want to know, and they don't
know how to live. I don'twant to know. Okay, Okay,
I know we hate all of this. She is one of the most interactive

(46:42):
spirits at the asylum. She canbe heard running around laughing. She could
be creepy, but I mean,I'm sorry, but little girls girl ghost
is creepy. It just is you'reabout your You're never good, never good.
I'm glad you're having a good time. I don't know. Yeah,
it's hard to be like, ohcute, so creeped out cute. I

(47:06):
mean it's highly encouraged though, ifyou were to visit to bring any toys
or trigger objects for her to playwith. She does tend to play games
with visitors and interact with the objects. Okay, so she's cool. She's
willing to hang and be like what'sthat? Yeah, I mean you have
to bring like time appropriate toys though, I feel like you have to bring
like like a I mean a ballball, Jack's Teddy Bear, maybe Jack's

(47:30):
Marble, yeah, marbles. Yeah, Okay. Another very well known spirit
is rumored to still be around theasylum is a guy named Dean. Dean
and he was sadly horrifically murdered hereby two other patients. Uh, there
is another really rough. This isone of the rougherts. Okay, once

(47:52):
I've heard Okay, So they tagteamed real quick against this guy named Dean,
and they tried to hang him witha bed sheet over a pipe.
And I've heard that both versions ofthe story, whether he just like want
it die in that fashion, orthe two men were toying with him and
torturing him, and right before hewould ever lose consciousness, it was then

(48:15):
they would drop him. And sothey just kept doing that over and over.
Okay. When that wasn't enough,they decided that he needed to lay
on the ground and uh, I'llsay it really fast. I'm sorry trigger
warning, and I don't want todo I'm sorry, don't listen to this

(48:36):
part. I'm sorry, placed ametal bedpost on his head and proceeded to
jump off the bed ew until itthrough the ground. Then paled his head
with a bed post. Oh no, that's really upset. I'm sorry upsetting.

(48:59):
That's I'm so sorry. It's liketheir famous story. It's like the
story that's on every freaking thing Iheard of researching this, and I'm like,
okay, I guess I have totalk about it. Yeah, poor
guy, Okay, So yeah,that happened. I'm very sorry about that.
This occurred in one of the farback rooms in one of the wings,

(49:20):
and it is said that you canhear disembodied screams from Dean coming from
that room. Oh. Man,I don't know how the spirit life works,
but I really I hope that he'snot actually just reliving that over.
Yeah, I really hope it's justresidual stuck energy that's on repeat and that
he's moved on. But man doI I don't know, and I that

(49:43):
i'd be rough to be stuck there. Okay. There's also isolation cells at
the asylum. Yes, very muchlike a prison. Oh yeah, solitary
confinement. Legit, solitary confinement washere, yep. That's where you'll find
the most violent energy is felt byvisitors. People tend to get pushed or
scratched while standing in these cells.There's also apparitions of Civil War soldiers.

(50:12):
Civil War soldiers seen roaming the hallsat trans Allegaty. So there's layers and
all sorts of spirits of soldiers,mentally ill children, angry variety. Ah.
Yeah, I mean a place likethis is. I mean, it's
one of the hottest places in America. It's all over the Ghost Communities list.

(50:36):
I mean, it's just like that'sone of the big ones. Yeah,
there's just so much energy there thatso much history, so much in
the walls, you know, Itotally believe in like you know, I
don't know, energy is stuck inthe walls, like especially if they're like
I don't know if it has anybearing on it, but like doing like
hand carved stones, I wonder iflike just the process of that is like

(50:58):
makes it more personal, yeah,or somehow like imbuse more energy just because
it's like a hareld By human Yeah, so much. I don't know,
it's more of a craft. Yeah, it's a bespoke. I don't know.
I just feel like the handwork thatwent into that maybe it just like
has innately more energy like attached toit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(51:22):
Okay, we're almost done. Ido want to talk real quick about the
show Destination Fear. So the showactually is canceled it they're now on YouTube
as Project Fear. I highly recommendsupport those guys. These guys are cool.

(51:43):
It's a brother sister team. They'reour age, young thirties. They
don't wear ed hardy, you knowwhat I'm saying. Like they're not goates
and like inches, they're regular asspeople like us. And it's two of
their like childhood friends with them andthey go to these haunted places together and

(52:05):
it's just way more palatable than tipthe typical ghost show. So I think
you would like antagonizing the ghosts.No, they're just regularized people, Like
they're just rest people. They're notlike big dudes in all black being so
intense and obnoxious, you know whatI'm saying. So really good show.
I really liked them a lot.So they're first show was Destination Fear.

(52:27):
They were at first associated with ZachBegins. Oh, now there's drama.
Oh that's why they are now onYouTube because because Zach was like, these
guys are getting too good and they'reraining in on my parade. So I
was like, got get rid ofthese guys. He's feeling threatened, I
think. So that's like the dramaI'm hearing these days from like the ghost

(52:49):
news of Zach. Hilarious that there'sdrama in the ghost community. Absolutely,
he's never won. Okay anyway,so this show, Okay, So they
go to the asylum and they separate. They're on two separate sides of the
building and it's their names are Chelsea, Alex Tanner, and Dakota Okay,

(53:12):
and they're on complete opposite sides ofthe building nowhere near each other. And
it's funny because I feel like alot of likekeeptics or people are like,
oh ghost equipments like shit stupid andsure I get it whatever, but what
else do you want us to do? But this I love. I'm gonna
kind of ruin the episode even thoughstill watch it. But this, uh,

(53:34):
the creepiest incident didn't happen with anyof the equipment. It was with
their iPhones. Oh so what happened? I'll try to like describe it as
you know, kind of do anm thing and describe a ghost. Okay,
how I'm trying to end it onlike a not terrible note. Sure,
sure, but yeah, hopefully Ido it justice because it's literally from
my memory and I just watched itbefore I got here. Okay, Okay,

(53:55):
So the separate sides of the buildingthere, you know, can be
Nikatie trying to use their equipment.All of a sudden, Alex's phone,
he's with Chelsea, and his phonesays it's Tanner calling him, and he
answers the phone. He's like,hey, what's up, You're trying to
call me? Static screeching, Itsounds almost like metal metallic screeching, and

(54:17):
then the call drops and he's like, whoa, that's weird. Did you
just like butt diamond? Is hetrying to call me? Bad reception?
Yeah? So then they have thewalkie and he's like, hey, walky,
like, hey, guys, didyou just try to call me?
And they're like what they were likecompletely like what are you talking about?
Yeah, and he's like, Ijust got a call from Tanner? Is
this phone on him? And he'slike, I don't have my phone on
me. It's in the gear room. I left it in our gear room.

(54:40):
That's worse. Yeah, I getand he's like, whoa you their
phone just called me? Though,I will show it on my history,
like and he shows it on thecamera and they're on the walkie and then
it rings again and it says Tannerand he's like, look, guys,
you can hear it's ring. Itsays Tanner. He answers the phone again,
static metallic screeching, and then itdrops and then they're like, let's

(55:02):
go, let's go to the gearroom and like, you know, let's
meet there because we don't have thephone, Like, this is weird.
You gotta make sure anyone's in there. Yeah, so they run and meet
at the gear room. They findthe phone completely dead. The battery is
completely drained. That I don't Iwant. I don't know if the calls

(55:22):
happened and then the battery drained,or if the calls happened after the battery
drain, which would be creepier.That would be creepier. But it was
most likely it drained from the callsbecause it took so much energy. Yeah,
and that was so creepy. Ithought that was just like a very
authentic moment because you don't mess withiPhones like well, also the fact it

(55:45):
could have called anyone, but itcalled the guy that was in the place
exactly and they were like quickly ableto confirm, like, I don't even
have it on me, I leftit elsewhere. I just love it.
I highly recommend that show. That'screepy and so like weirdly intelligent. Yeah.
Twice is what got me too.Yeah, not just one called,

(56:06):
but twice. At least they gotit on camera. Can you imagine not
getting it on camera? I knowit'd be so bad. So I highly
recommend that show. They're also nowon YouTube as Project Fear And then an
actual fun fact that I can actuallyleave with this episode. Okay, it's
actually kind of cool in a darkway. Okay, But trans Allegeny Lunatic

(56:29):
Asylum sits on six hundred and sixtysix acres of land, of course,
with a total of thirteen buildings.Okay, it was meant to be totally
hot. Wow. So that isthe terrible and crazy story of that.
And I will stop ohtraying everyone myself, Rachel, I'm so excited to never

(56:51):
talk about this said, I'm sosorry. Isn't that so nice at the
end when you like, are doneand you're like, I can purge this
now from my brain. Gosh,yeah, the last few days I'm just
like like, ugh, I'm tiredof learning about this. I totally get
that. But you did a reallygood job from those did I Okay,
I hope it made sense. Iyeah it did, and it was fa
fascinating. It's got a really Ihad enough good good facts in there.

(57:13):
But yeah, I mean wild history, wild ghosts, wild yeah, wild
ooh. I mean it's not shockingthat it's haunted. I don't think in
terms of a ghost tour. Idon't know if i'd want to go to
a place like that that that's definitelyfor the professionals where you know, the

(57:34):
energy is just gonna be not good. Like I feel like I do kind
of want to go on a well, we did go to the Piddock Mansion,
which is supposedly haunted, but that'slike that was a fun that's a
nice ghost where the vibes aren't likejust hanging out your people, yeah in
your old chair, sip and tea. Yeah. Yeah, it was like
a place like a mental hospital.It's I feel like you just feel icky

(57:54):
there, you know. Oh yeah, I mean just like knowing the actual
facts of what people endoor. They'relike, yeah, you can tell.
Like the girl Chelsea was just likeI just feel so uncomfortable being here,
and like you can just tell shelike wanted to cry the whole time because
I'm like, yeah, girl,I would too. Like yeah, I
mean you hear people say that kindof thing, like not even necessarily about

(58:15):
ghosts, but like like the ifyou tour like Aschwitz or anywhere like that
where oh I do want to Yeah, you can just feelwitz. I'm sorry
keep continuing, but yeah, justthe residual energy is you can just feel
it. It's just crazy. HowYeah, you just like feel the thickness.
Yeah, it changes a place.It's just I totally believe in that.
Yeah, it's wild and I canYeah, I totally think that buildings

(58:37):
can like what contain kind of likean area of that kind of energy because
of all this shit that went down. Yeah, it was so intense.
I mean, that's like the mostintense thing I could think of. And
I gave it to you. Soyou're welcome. Thank you. I earned
it. I really put you throughit the last few months I've done so

(59:06):
all right, Well, thank you. I hope you guys all got what
you came for. It's your fault. It's all your eyes's fault. You
guys wanted paranormal. She gave itto you. I gave it to you.
It really was a lot of peoplewanted paranormal. I was surprised me
too. Maybe I was so likeanti it. I don't know. I
find it hard to research. Yeah, I guess it's like hard to like

(59:30):
not feel like I'm repeating like thesame ghosty you know events. Oh yeah,
I think, but I thought Idid. I thought this was it
was like, you know a goodmix of both you know, reality and
paranormal horrificness. Totally, totally,I dug it. I was disturbed,
but it was good. Okay,should we do City of the Week?

(59:51):
Yes, all right, this weekit is Bristol, England, England,
Other Bristol. What's up? Wesee you. We just celebrated our independence
from you. We're so glad thatyou're here for us, Bristel. Thank

(01:00:16):
you for listening. Thank you somuch. We see you, We see
you. Shout out to you.And if you want to be in the
City of the week, you gota binge, binge binge. Tell your
friends. That's all I gotta say. What are we watching? What are
we listening to? Shauna? Whatare do you want me to go?
Or what are you watching? Weare watching? We just started watching Monk

(01:00:37):
because it's on Netflix. That's anoldie. Yeah, they're making new content.
Has it already out Peacock? Ohit's on a different streaming stupid Okay,
of course nowadays we don't even haveit. I mean either, I
refuse Peacock. I already have likefifty subscriptions. It's what is this world?
This world has turned wrong with subscriptionIt's really gone rampant anyway, So

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we're watching Monk, which though right, yeah, I don't watch it,
it's definitely. My sister Katie calledit a product of the time, which
is true because I have a realproblem with continuity and logic, and the
show doesn't really follow a lot ofit sometimes with like crime scene etiquette,

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sure, because he's like a detectiveand he just touches everything and like with
his hands. Yeah, just likeit wouldn't be. But then I'm like,
would you let go and just havea nice time? So I'm trying
to do that. Also true becauseit's obviously a silly detective show and not
based in reality, but it's andwe all know that those shows are not
based in reality. And why isthe stick up my butt? I don't

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know. So it's okay, we'rewatching that. And of course it has
the Randy Newman theme song. WaitRandy Newman. They say, they're right,
Okay, COO's great, what areyou watching? Okay, So it's
not murder loll okay. It isa new podcast I'm benching, and it's

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called Murder one oh one oh okay, and it is about literally a high
school class in somewhere in the South, but they take on a sociology class,
and they take on this actual localcrime like unsolved murder, and it's
like also a Jane Doe. There'slike unidentified women and they legit figure out

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how to become like a detective,like how to do a profile on a
criminal. They like, each episodeis them getting closer and closer to like
actually doing police and FBI work,and they actually get help from the FBI
they solve this murder. How isit a podcast? Though? Like are
they each individually being interviewed? Likehow does that? Yeah, the kids

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are interviewed, the teachers are interviewed, the FBI that talk to the students
has been interviewed. It's been themost interesting. I've been wanting to absorb
all of it, but I haven'thad time. But it is so good.
It's so binge worthy because it's highschool students and they're like, let's
get a step closer and figure outthis one. And they're like so engaged
because true crime is such a thingnow. I'm so jealous. I know,

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I wish I would sign that forthat class and heart are you kidding
all about that? Oh? Thatone is so cool? Yes, So
it's very interesting. I highly recommendif you don't, I will be upset.
That is my recommendation for podcasts.I usually do end up listening to
the things you recommend. It justtakes me a while, thank you.
And also the same with me.Yes, take me with you. Cool?

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Okay, everyone put a little pinin that. That sounds really interesting.
Yep, yep, you're welcome forthat little nugget of good stuff.
Yeah, I do wanna. Thatsounds like something I want to listen to.
And I'm running out of content becauseyeah, I kind of felt that
way too. I'm like, I'min the same old I need some new
shows. Yeah, I'm all caughtI'm kind of all caught up too on
most of mine. So all right, there's that one. Yeah, okay,

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