Episode 114: Finger Ends? How Durst They! (Spring-Heeled Jack-Victorian Urban Legend)

In this week's episode, Abby takes the gang to the foggy London streets of the Victorian era to learn about one of the first urban legends- the story of Spring-Heeled Jack.
For several decades in the 1800s, the elusive and infamous Spring-Heeled Jack, known for his blue flames, sharp claws, and incredible leaps, struck fear into the hearts of England's citizens before vanishing into the mists of history.
Listen in for all the exciting details surrounding this notorious figure from the past.

Credits:
4-part paper by Mike Dash
https://web.archive.org/web/20161114075603/http://www.mikedash.com/extras/forteana/shj-about/shj-paper-1

Wikipedia.com

PBS’s Monstrum episode on Spring heeled Jack-Youtube
https://youtu.be/Vo1qv8uYlAs?si=zt3Lk08OUWWtCEtk

Decoding the Unknown on Youtube
https://youtu.be/9O7dPlMcEB4?si=-Q90wlYUKSe2ddSV


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I did eat two tongues, so hopefully that'll takes back
just two.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
You just like pouring the bottle in your mouth.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Well, I had to eat that stuff like can eat
during pregnancy. Oh yeah, I mean the bottle I have
is still left over for pregnant. I would always have
like three minimum and.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
If it was extra bad, four well cause.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
They would be like, you can only have it that many,
like twenty four hours. Sure, I thought's right, and I
was like, what no, this is like literally chalk and Calsiu.
I'm gonna have all of it, like.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, pain, Hello, hey guys, welcome, welcome. I'm happy and
I'm Shana And this is Anxious and Afraid the podcast
where we're old and then we complain about all of

(00:52):
our old symptoms.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, old people, court old part burn, corner, aches and pains.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Aches and pains. Our bodies are falling apart, our esophagus
are in flames.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
From the inside out. We are just a struggle mass decrepit. Yes,
that brings me to you. We have an update on
you in your situation struggle mess.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
A few things. Your back Yeah, okay, my back is
getting better.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
That's yay, yay, very very thankful for the physical therapy
because it is working. I did find out that my
my discs in my lower back are melting like our
polar ice caps, so I have to be better about stretching.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Being aware of them.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I say good morning to them.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
You speak kindly and positively to your discs, high disks.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
How you doing today. Sorry that you're melting under the pressure,
but I mean, I think that's just pretty common as
you so.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Sure, I mean, every everything is technically deteriorating.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Sure, we're so positive. But yeah, my vac is getting better,
so that's good news. Yeah, it's yeah. I can almost
bend over in the morning to flush the toilet all
on my own, so.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
That claps to you.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Thank you. That's the marker. I did also look at
we had a wellness fair at work.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
We did.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
There's a lot of people there, a lot of people
very into fitness. It was kind of fun and smoothies.
It was fun. They wanted to talk to me about exercise.
They going I had to pretend to care and one
of the booths was Lasic for your Yeah, your eyeballs.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Is the one we were both really sucked into.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I've been wanting to get Lasik.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
For you have been talking to me about it, and
I'm like terrified. Chiplets so over it.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Michael and Shawna do not do well with any eyeball stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Nope, like at all. Like just talking about it, I
could leak start crying.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I passed out during an eye pressure test he did.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
This is one of a classic Michael story.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yes, classic Michael fainting.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
It makes up a large part of who I am.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I just imagine a little teenager Michael just pass it
out because a little puff.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Of I mean now that I now, when I get
my eyes checked, I do think of Michael every time
that happens. I'm like, just don't pass.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Michael pass off.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Oh, sweet young.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Michael, Sweet baby Michael can't do puffet air on his eyeball.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
It is charring.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
But the things that really really bother him do not
bother me. In like vice versa, because I'm such a dentist.
I have such dentist phobia, and He's like totally fine
with the dentist.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, I feel like I'm the same way. I mean,
I don't enjoy the dentist, but it doesn't give me
massive anxiety.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I don't care about my eyeballs. Pokemon you want, I'll
POKEM right now. Absolutely, I will stick my finger in
my eyeball in front of both of you and make
you both pass out. No, no, no, I want to
love it anyway. So we went to this lazy booth
and uh, they gave me a call because I was like, hey,
hit me up, I want to know about it. Get
how much it costs.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Oh my gosh, tell me because I don't want to
call and find out.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Five thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Okay, I thought it would be worse, Honestly, really, I
thought it'd be like closer to ten mab really, I
don't know. It's your eyeballs, I know, but yeah, it's
such a so fast, so quick and fast.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
So imagine you get five k for like five minutes
they're in and out and like, I mean an hour.
I would pay for the quickness. Yeah, so yeah, she's
she let me know that it was five thousand, although
you do get five hundred dollars off during your birthday month.
Oh so we got into it during our during your
birthday month, okay, and obviously like no insurance, right because
it's like cosmetic, right, even though it's our eyeballs. Yeah,

(04:48):
they're like, so, what wear your thick glasses and get
over it.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right, Like I don't want to wear my glass like
we can save it up.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, you can do it, and once you do it,
then I'll probably do it. I have to. I have
to watch you go through it in order for me to,
like you pass out.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
If you watch me go through it, you're probably right.
I'll just tell you about it.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I mean, I'm one of those that I will like,
I'll force myself to do it, but I will be
tortured the whole time and cry the whole time and
be upset the whole time. But they give you valuum,
I will need it, like give me double, give me
double whatever you give everyone else. Oh and you also
have to be pretty much well not have to be.
But it was really weird at first because she was
asking me all these very pointed questions about having children,

(05:31):
and she's just like, when are you expecting to have another?
And like these really weird questions. I was like, these
are weird questions, Like who don't you know related to
ask about that stuff? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I thought she was just asking it like I don't know,
maybe is get to know you, but no, it ends
up like you can't get lazy if you're gonna be
pregnant probably within the next nine months, really that long, Yeah,
because the drops that you have to take, I guess,
and pregnancy changes your visions. They're like you definiteency changes everything. Yeah,

(06:03):
so you don't want to get it while you're pregnant.
But so you'd have to like wait to be kind
of wait to be done having babies. I think you're
just like a really long span between And I was like, well.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
These are questions I haven't I don't want to think
about right now, making me have an existential crisis about babies.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
I know. It's like, can we just take care of
one thing for us before we decide if we're going
to go through all that again?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
What about babies?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Though?

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Are you done?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Like what?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I don't know. I well think about it, like, okay,
I wasn't ready for these questions. So anyway, interesting though,
I went, Okay, okay, maybe shop around we can get
a discount.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
No, I would not want to do that with this
kind of procedure.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Right, Yeah, you probably do want to have a good place.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Maybe when we reach forty, that'll be our gift to ourselves.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, sure, I mean we have a long way right. Also,
she was like, how old are you? When I told her,
I literally forgot and I said thirty two, and then
I panicked. I'll like, I'm thirty three. But I didn't
tell her that.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I wouldn't have told her that.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
She was like, oh, that's a good age to have
Lasa down. I'm like, cool, I know.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
She she called this young and youthful, and we were like, oh, yeah, yeah,
we're healthy and youthful. And we're like, oh my god, were.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
You youthful as I'm limping around with my bad as
I have a stiff neck that I can't turn.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh yeah, what made you anxious? Her afraid?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Oh? Happy thirty four to me? I woke up with
a pinchner.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
It's Virgo season season, you guys. It was Michael's and
Shawna's birthdays between the time we recorded and now yeah
last recorded it.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Now, so happy you're older, Thank you, Happy birthday to
you both, to us, Yes to you, well, not you,
not me, Michael.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Okay, yeah, happy birthday you guys. I'm so happy we're
all here together.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
I could use an app h.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
But yeah, that's why I mean it hasn't been fun
for me. I guess it's my turn to have some
eggs and pain. Currently still dealing with uh hurts drive
hurts to turn my neck. O.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Your neck is still pinched. Yeah, pinched, nerve sadly.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I'm kind of used to it, but I should go
away soon. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Is it any better?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
It's getting better, but I mean I'm constantly taking things
and putting stuff on it.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, maybe around Maybe we need to get you into Petea.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I would love it. Please take me, stretch me out.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I mean, it's really a lot of it is just
figuring out how and when and how much to stretch.
And I'm like, okay, well.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I just don't want to think about it. I just
want somebody else to do it for me. That would
be That's the.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Gift, that's the goal. Yeah, somebody helped me do that.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Okay, anyway you can, you just have to pay for it.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Is that your only thing?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean, I guess so, Yeah, we're old. I'm sorry
it sucks. Just kidding. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Michael and I are both in pain for eating too
much spicy food. That's why we're talking about tons. Yeah,
that is why you were talking about tons heartburn. We
got we do well. It was a tradition started by
Michael's parents, but we call it fat ass Friday. And
that's the day that we door dash and get take out.
And we got take out Indian food, which was delicious.
But my body is like, did you remember how white

(09:11):
you are? And I was like, no projecting, and so
we're all in pain, a little bit in pain. And
then Michael's parents made these insanely spicy pickled peppers. Isn't
that a tongue twister? Yep, Paul picked a peck of
pickled peppers. Who is it?

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Peter?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Peter? Peter paid Paul.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
There's a new one. We're gonna make a new one.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
So yeah, they made some and Michael is insane. He
ate two of these, like insanely hot peppers, and.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Uh, is that brave or is that stupid?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Both? Yes, he was sweating so much. Looked like you
came out of the rain.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
He came out of the rain.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
I was soaked.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
He's like, I don't want to talk about it that
in private.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Well, I hope your bodies recover soon.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, who knows, I might have just damaged everything forever.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Just takes a lot longer to heal from things these.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Days, it really does. All right, that's cold and decrepit corner.
It's actually really yeah, old and decrepit corner. There's cobwebs
in it. If you're a youth listening to this, I
don't want to scare you, but it's coming for you.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
It's coming. It's coming fast.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
We all thought we were going to be young forever,
and that's because you have a lot of cartilage left.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Stretch now, stretch now.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Stretch now, start it now. Start your skincare now you're stretching.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yes, yes, and keep drinking water always.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I know that that sounds really lame and like they're
right for a reason and it sucks and I know it.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
But those fruity alcoholic beverages are what's cool right now.
But pretty soon it's not gonna be that way. Yeah anyway, Mmmm,
do you have anything else?

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Okay, cool, let's talk about something else other than being old.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
And I don't know. I think everyone enjoyed it so much. Uh, okay,
am I let's do it.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yes, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Okay, episode your turn yep one fourteen, give it to me,
one fourteen, one fourteen. So today I'm grateful for listeners
suggestions because I had to switch my episode topic last minute.
She called it pulling a Shauna. I did call it
pulling a Shauna, which is accurate. Michael separately called it
pulling a Shawna. So that's your move.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I guess that's more offensive.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Now my feelings are hurt. I'm upset by the thing
that I regularly do.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
I didn't want to be outed like this. I'm also
a fund.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Now you're in trouble. Now we're fighting.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
They're turning on me. Are we having our first fight?
Just kidding?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
All right? You did a switcher, Rooney last minute.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I did because the topic I had picked and researched
for weeks and read a book about another like really
big true Grime podcast decided to do a two parter
on at the same time, and I was like, ah, fuck,
So I switched because I.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Don't know, you're decent.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
But I mean, there's so many podcasts out there and
there we're all doing the same popular stuff. So I mean,
but that was the thing.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
It was not like it was a popular case. It
was sure, it wasn't a super common one. So I
was like, dang it. But I'll do that one probably next.
I just want to give it a little air sure,
just in case, so it's not too repetitive for people anyway.
So we recently had a suggestion from listener B in
the UK.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay, B, and I.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Was intrigued, so I went for it. So and I
think this is going to be a really fun one. Okay,
So thank you B. All right, So today's episode will
be based out of Bee's neck of the woods, jolly
Old England, the Motherland, and the topic is an that
is a little bit cryptid and a little bit urban legend,

(13:03):
A creepy individual.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
A creepy individual.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes, okay, Today we will be discussing springhel Jack.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Oh okay, I don't I've heard, but I don't. I
can't recall information.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
You've heard but you don't know, yes, okay, Yeah, I
was kind of the same way. I don't. I don't
think I really knew much. I was like, I'm I'm
aware that's a thing, but I didn't really know any
of the detail.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I mean, it's definitely a catchy name, it is. It's
also a coffee brand now that we've ordered sport. Yeah,
they make a coffee that's a plug for them that
they don't know who we are, but plugging spring Hill Jack.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Try their coffee. It's good, Okay. So I did have
a lot of fun researching this case. I fell down
into some serious Internet holes trying to solve it, which
I didn't solve it. Oh darn it, I know. I
just want to put that up front, so nobody's like,
doesn't really expected you to know I failed once more,
even though I really you know, I tried. So this

(14:03):
case has a lot of my favorite elements. It's you know,
historical case, it's a mystery, and it's fucking weird.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
So my primary source for today was a paper written
by Mike Dash, a well respected author and historian who
studied the case of spring Hild Jack for many years,
compiled a crazy amount of information from old newspapers and records,
and then wrote a big old paper on his findings.
It's really good. You can find it online and I'll
link it. So before we jump into the lore, I

(14:34):
just want to set the scene for when and where
our story takes place. So the story of spring Hill
Jack occurred during the Victorian era, mainly in London, England
or like that, surrounding area.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
The Victorian era is thusly named after the ruler of
the time, Queen Victoria, who ranged from eighteen thirty seven
to nineteen oh one. This time period is honestly wild
for the advancement of the human race. In eighteen oh one,
one point nine million people were living in London. By
eighteen ninety seven, there were six point two million people living.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Oh so within nearly one hundred years.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, like tripled.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Whoa.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
The Industrial Revolution led to the insane in city or
sorry insane city growth as factories and mass production emerged.
Yay for once in history, most of the population now
inhabited cities instead of the countryside. Everyone left their rural
lives behind to work grueling twelve plus hour days and

(15:33):
factories with horrid conditions. Yikes, Yay modernization. This period also
saw the invention of steam engines, sewer systems, gas and
electric lights, the telegraph, the telephone, Wow, cameras, typewriters.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Wow, so much imagine that's so much Like, that's so
much stuff. I mean, yeah, we're in our own lifetime
of life changing technology. But I don't know putting it
that simply of like a phone.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
All of a sudden typewriter, electricity heat, that's hugewer systems.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
That is beyond that's a that's a whole universe, like
new universe.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Within a hundred years.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
That's astonishing. So and like I think that turps me
out all the time if I ever think about it,
I'm just like, wow, one hundred years ago, what like
and now we're here, now we're here.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I don't remember I was listening to, but it was
saying like before that time, like pretty much everyone's ancestors
kind of lived the same way for a long amount
of time, Like there wasn't that good poange the point
within that short amount of time everything change.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, oh my god, good point.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
It's wild.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
That is crazy, creepy wild. It is.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
And to your point, I said that it feels similar
to the period that we grew up with with technology.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I know, I talk about it all the time, where
the last generation to know what was like without internet.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Right like it within our lifetime, like technology is just
exploded at such a high speed that like along with them,
like our civilizations, civilization can hardly keep up with it.
And now like everyone's depressed and anxious because of the
computers in our pockets. Absolutely so similarly people in Victorian
The Victorian era also felt the growing pains of living

(17:23):
in such a crazy time of change. Yeah. Along with
the urbanization and technological advances came brutal class systems designed
to keep the poor people miserable and permanently in their slums.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Oh no way, no, what to have things changed?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Crime rates in London where sky high, as the Metropolitan
Police wouldn't even be established until eighteen twenty nine. Interesting,
right not to live in a time without like police police.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Weird?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I know. London became the largest city in the world
at that time, and the overpopulation showed people crowded into tiny,
squalid homes or survived out in the streets, which were
generally filthy. In the poor districts, diseases ran rampant, and
I mean.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, it's the smell outside.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I mean there's just thing smells literally shit on the ground.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Literally fresh air is nowhere to be found.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
No, I mean people were forced to breathe this like
thick polluted air with cold smoke.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Everything. Yeah, everything has sit on it.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Like it's just dirty and grimy and dingy, and the
air is gray. That's just what you picture, what do
you think of London and the Victorian era? It's just
like how you picture, Yeah, just grimy, steampunk kind of.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
The moths at that time were actually I think an
example of evolution because a bunch of white moths died
out and like darker moths were favored because of the
dark color. No way, that's.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
A fun fact. What a fun little yeah, what a
fun little fat didn't know that? How he's going to
google it?

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Don't fact check that.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Moths. So yeah, these conditions typically led to a short
life span in the lower class, especially Okay, so it's
against that cheery back dromp that our story. So in
the years leading up to the sightings of spring Hill Jack,
there were the sightings of a couple of ghosties, the

(19:21):
Hammersmith Ghost and the Southampton Ghost. I think I've heard
of the Hammersmith Ghost, but.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Just like the town ghost, everyone knew about.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, it was like a specific like in the cemetery
or like I didn't look into it.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I have too many questions right now. I'm sorry. I
know I read about it and the color is his hair?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Promptly forgot it's the woman in white. I'm not sure
there was a ghost though, and the Southampton ghost they're
both going on like before spring Hill Jack era. So
she just kind of like paraming people, you know, totally
makes sense. And both reportedly attacked people at night in
the streets of London. Yeah, and appeared to Oh here
we go, I did write a little something appeared to

(20:01):
be dressed in white, standing very tall, and could jump
to great heights.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Oh no, that's scary.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
You don't like jumping ghosts.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
No ghosts, No.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
They jumping.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
They should hover, hover and float slowly.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Not jump quickly. No, that's a different breed of ghost. Yeah,
so they could jump tall, dressed in white. And the
reports of both ghosts began in the early eighteen hundreds
and progressed through to the eighteen twenties. The fear around
seeing these ghosts became so potent that a bricklayer was

(20:35):
shot and killed by an army patrolman who saw the
man at night wearing white and thought him to be
the Hammersmith ghost.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Oh my gosh, that's not good.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
So, as you can see, some people back then took
ghosties very seriously and would shoot first and ask questions later.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Even though like what are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Should be a ghost. It makes no sense, It really doesn't.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Okay, So I included these spooky sightings because they are
similar to the spring Hill Jack sightings slash attacks, which
I find very interesting. Okay, were people just primed to
see something peculiar and we're like blowing things out of proportion?
Or where there are several entities terrorizing the citizens of London.
We don't know, and we probably won't know, so sorry.

(21:22):
The earliest reports of the entity would become or sorry,
that would become spring Hill Jack began in the eighteen thirties,
so that's about a decade after the the other ghost sightings.
In eighteen thirty seven, small villages near London began reporting
sightings and attacks of a figure dressed in white, bearing
metallic claws, which would jump very high over rooftops and

(21:46):
walls and would tear the clothing of its victims with
its claws.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay, now we have the ghost of Wolverine.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, do not make that connection before I think I
had a thought about that and then completely space.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
But you're right, it does sound very Wolverine like without
the abs, probably without the Hugh Jackman. Yeah, without the
Hugh Jackman. It at all, so the entity was described
as either a bear, a ghost, and most commonly a devil,
which a bear just makes me laugh, like a spooky bear.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I don't know, bears alone alone, just leave him alone.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
So the entities preferred victims who seemed to be working
class women and who were out at night. Many of
the claims, however, were debunked. One hilarious case of this
ended up being a policeman on a white horse who
was mistaken for a ghost. In another case, it was
a white cow, a white cow. So, as you can see,

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eyewitness accounts are not always the most reliable. No no,
But soon the sightings would turn violent and the reports
on these incidents became more substantial. Not enough to be
taken seriously, of course, but here we go. So during
the fall and winter of eighteen thirty seven, attacks on
several working class women by the mysterious figure would occur.

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In September of eighteen thirty seven, a young woman named
Polly Stevens was leaving the bar one night with her friends.
I mean, you can picture it. It's dark, it's probably foggy,
it's gloomy. I imagine the lighting was still terrible even
with gas lamps, and the streets were narrow. They're claustrophobic,
countless dark alleyways everywhere.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
As the group of friends were passing through the Blackheath district,
a figure wearing a black cloak jumped out from the
shadows at them and began to attack. Polly's friends made
a run for it in the pandemonium, leaving her behind
to fend for herself. Thanks guys, like you did like
look back just to make sure all your friends were

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taken care of. I guess not.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
So.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
The figure reportedly smell of sulfur and erupted blue flames
before tearing at Polly's clothes and body with metal claws.
She screamed as he ripped at her abdomen, but the
attack was suddenly over, with the figure running away as
he cackled maniacally, and poor Polly was left with scratches,

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tattered clothing, and a whole lot of trauma. She thought
that the attacker might have been a gentleman who had
attempted to seduce her earlier that day and was angered
when she refused.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Sure, yeah, that's sadly common.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
ID.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
So the next attack reported would be in October of
eighteen thirty seven, a young woman named Mary Stevens had
just finished visiting her parents' house and was on her
way to her job, where she worked as a servant
in Lavender Hill. That sounds like a nice place.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
You know, I want to live there, Lavender Hill.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Go to Lavender Hill more.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
A frolic in a field of lavender sounds lovely.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
It probably wasn't, though.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's still somehow gray. So.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
The daylight had already faded by this point, and darkness
had fallen as she walked through a park called Clapham
Clapham Commons. As Mary began to exit the park, a
figure leaped at her from the shadows. Mary was stunned
when blue flames erupted from the figure's mouth and shot
towards her face. South Okay, yeah. It then quickly latched

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onto Mary and grabbed her so tightly that she couldn't
move her arms. The assailant began forcing kisses on her
face and body, while scratching at her clothes with metallic claws.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Wait with a fire mouth.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I guess he was done breathing fire. The fire seems
to be the opening act, and.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
I'm trying to put a face to this and I
don't know if it should be like a creature like
or a human like or like.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, more descriptions will be coming in.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
He seems to start the attack with blue flames because
I think maybe because stuns the victim.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Sure before that's like the same consistent thing.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah. This this one, though, I think, is the only
one where he's like for kisses.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah. Gross, and I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Uh so, yeah, metallic claws, but its hands were described
as cold and clammy as those of a corpse.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Hey wait one personally, Yeah, because I'm very nervous, my
hands are very cold yet very sweaty.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I was, Okay, so I wrote down like adrenaline question
mark because also, yeah, when I get full of adrenaline,
I also get really cold and clammy. So for sure,
maybe they were just like really, you know, full of
adrenaline and just my hands.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Are always clammy too, So don't hate on the claiming hands.
That's something that I've come to love about you. Everyone
appreciates it. I've I've embraced it. I had to because
it hasn't gone away. It's just your life, it's just
my life, and I just have to talk about it
and embrace it because I know I'm not alone.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Don't shoe blue flames in people's faces, and I think
they'll won't hold it against you.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Does this does this sighting also smell like sulfur?

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I don't think they mentioned it. Yeah, it seems it's kind.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Of Is that something that is repeated? It is though, Yeah,
sulfur is kind of because that is that is linked
to like demons. Demons smell like sulfur, and that is
definitely why people are like it's a devil because I
can see that for smell, I can see that that connection.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yea, so good point. You're correct than yeah, you would
fit right in.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Which I know would be immediately presumed witch. Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
So Mary began to scream and terror so loudly that
passers by rush to the scene to help. Before they
could arrive, however, the creepy figure ran off into the night,
laughing like a little creep ass.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
It's like, ah, okay, yeah, so I am picturing like
an evil rabbit. I had a.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Rabbit went from rollverine to rabbit.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Know.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Okay, for my millennials out there, the crash band, acute game,
oh PS PlayStation, the PlayStation, there's a level worth with
an evil rabbit.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
I don't remember that level. You were more into that
game than I was.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I freaking love that game. I played it recently before
we moved to and I was addicted. I freaking love
that game, all of them anyways. But there's an evil rabbit,
so I'm who laughs moniaghally as he jumps away. So
I'm picturing this like real life.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
They'll just google that sound clip really quick. We'll just
listen to it.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
You also call him Jack, and for some reason, like
a Jack rabbit. I'm just connecting a rabbit to this interesting.
I think a lot of people instead of the rabbit,
which is probably very specific to you.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Connect it to connected to Jack the ripper. Who I mean,
it's a Jacks. He comes later, I think in the
eighteen hundreds. But yeah, people are like, oh, like Jack,
why is there so many Jacks? But I think Jack
back then was like the smith, like you know, it was.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
There's so many Jacks and Joey's in my family, like
they were all the same names.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, yeah, I think Jack was used like how we
use Jane Doe or John. Yeah, Jack for sure. So
if there wasn't a name, they would just call it.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
John F. Kennedy was also called Jack. I think John
and Jack were kind of like almost even. Yeah, did
you find him unchangeable? No? I was gonna do it
very specific.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Oh kah, all right, well I wanted to hear it now.
But that's I know some.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
People know what I'm talking about. But during the break,
that's what I'm picturing.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Okay, Well, speaking of break, let's just take a quick run.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Okay, okay, welcome back, okay, and real quick correction. It
wasn't a rabbit on the A Crash Bandicoot game. I
was talking about. It's Ripper rou so technically kangaroo. You

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can see how I would make that mistake, and please
forgive me.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Easy mistake to me.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
And but also Sam and I go laugh as you
can agree with right.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
And also a weird thing because we just talked about
Jackie Rebbert and it all connects. Yeah, we decided it's
a conspiracy.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah makes sense.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yess, Michael's gonna put that laugh and a post or whatever.
But behind the times, sorry, we're not last.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Gosh, remember when we all heard it, it was great.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh yeah, when we all heard it together. That's right, Ah,
silly me.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Indeed, okay, okay, all right, anyway, everyone calmed down, shut up, so.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
We just started. We just got them talking about Mary's attack.
The next day, another attack would happen in the same area,
but this time the victim wasn't a poor girl just
trying to live her life. It was a carriage passing
through the streets. So there's just a carriage ambling down
the road and a shadowy figure leapt out and it

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spooped the horses so badly that the carriage tipped over
and it seriously injured the driver.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Drama.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yes, there were witnesses and they saw this figure, you know,
maniacally laughing like where Peru. He's laughing as he runs away.
But he comes to a wall. It's like a tall wall,
like nine feet tall, and he just parkour. He just jumps.

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He just jumps over it in like one leap.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
His ghost decides to not go through it, no, but
to be creepier and jump over it.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
And then he's out of there. Weird, Yeah, it is weird.
And it was that attack that would give the entity
its name. And okay, spring heeled Jack was born. Okay,
like he's got a little springs in his heels, springing
up the walls.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
So the name soon began appearing in the press as
news of the attacks began to spread, with the West
Kent Guardian newspaper being the first publication to officially name him.
In January of eighteen thirty eight, the attacks would receive
some official recognition from the Lord Mayor of London, John Cowan.
By now, the panic and fear over this mysterious attacker

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was growing, and after the Lord Mayor received an anonymous
letter from a quote resident of Peckham, he decided to
hold a press conference of sorts to address the matter.
The letter written told the mayor that they believed the
attacker to be a wealthy aristocrat aristocat.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Do we break out in song?

Speaker 2 (32:48):
We should have you seen that lately? It's got that
Disney disclaimer.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Warning on it, Like no, but I remember loving that.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, And then you rewatch it and you're like, oh,
I see.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
The problematic things.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
But look how cut the cats with the cats and
they did the whole Lizzo remix is great. Okay, So
I'm gonna have I'm gonna have problems with this word.
I think I'm just gonna I was gonna ask a stroke, right,
now risketocrat. There's an r in there that I'm just
crack on. Yeah. They think he's rich. They think he's
some rich asshole getting his.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Rock money, and he has problems.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
And he's bored and he just wants to attack women apparently. Okay,
so this letter is also probably gonna be a struggle
because it's written in Old English. So here we go.
This is what the letter said. Quote some individuals of
as the writer believes, the higher ranks of life, have
laid a wager with a mischievous and foolhardy companion name

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as yet unknown, that he durst not take upon himself
the task of visiting many of the villages. Michael, what.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Like Fred Durst himself?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
That's the word he Durst Durst. He Durst not take
upon himself the task of visiting many at the villages
near London in three disguises, a ghost, a bear, and
a devil.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Oh he's all three.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah. They think it's all the same. I have a
feeling it's just people seeing the same thing and.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
They just want to all connect it.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Or they just see something and they're like it's a bear,
and the person right next to them sees the same thing.
And they're like, it's a ghost. I think people are
just interpreting it differently.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Okay, everyone's included.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
The gang's all here. Yeah, a ghost, a bear, and
a devil, and moreover that he will not dare to
enter a gentleman's gardens for the purpose of alarming the
inmates of the house. The wager has, however, been accepted,
and the unmanly villain has succeeded in depriving seven ladies
of their senses. At one house, he rung the bell

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and on and on. The servant coming to the door,
the worse than brute, stood in a no less dreadful
figure than a specter, clad most perfectly. The consequence was
that the poor girl immediately swooned and has never from
that moment been in her senses. But on seeing any man,
screams out most violently take him away. There are two

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ladies which your Lordship will regret to hear, who have
husbands and children, and who are not expected to recover,
but likely to become burdens on their families. Yikes, harsh,
we'ren't all women. We're all burdens unless we got married
nut babies.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
The affair has now been going on for some time,
and strange to say, the papers are still silent on
the subject. The writer has reason to believe that they
have the whole history at their finger ends, but their
finger ends.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
I know that right.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Fingertips finger ends. I don't know why that one got characters.
They have the whole history at their finger ends, but
through interested motives are induced to remain silent. End quote.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Basically, what a ride?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Did you understand any of that, Shauna?

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I think not.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think not not understand that's a word of the day.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I mean, I got the gist.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I got the Yeah, They're basically like, it's rich dudes
on a bet attacking mostly women who are so disturbed
that they're swooning and I'm covering.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, the descriptions of it all is just over the top.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I'm trying to look for the one. And it was
like a worse than brute and an unmanly villain. Great, great, Okay,
so this is the letter. After reading this letter, the
Lord Mayor then concluded that the writer was probably a
hysterical woman. Another burden on their family.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Oh man, she's.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Probably a hysterical woman. If she really wanted to help
catch the assailant, she would provide a helpful description of
what he looked like. Dear, what a dick cool, Thank
you for your assistance, Lord Mayor. Great. So the letters
continued to pour in, uh with descriptions of a figure

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who wore tight white clothing under a dark cloak. He
bore metallic claws and had glowing red eyes. In some cases,
he had a light at his chest and shot blue
flames from his mouth. He also had the ability to
jump great heights. As we've talked about.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
It's so weird, it's such an odd Yeah, okay, keep continuing.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Right, it's not your typical that it makes sense, yeah,
cryptis yeah, yeah, Soon the mayor would face more substantial
attacks that would become difficult to ignore. Perhaps the most
well known and documented case happened to a Jane Owlsop.
The evening of February nineteenth, eighteen thirty eight, eighteen year

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old Jane was sitting at home with her sisters and
father when they heard a loud ringing at their gate outside.
Jane went to the door and saw a dark figure
standing at the gate, ringing the bell insistently. She hesitantly
opened her front door and went down the path and
steps until she reached the figure at the gate. So
does that kind of make sense? Like she's got her

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door and then there's like a gate around the property,
so she kind of walked down. Okay, So her eyes
were still adjusting to the dark when she peered at
the figure, who seemed to be of a slim, angular build.
He seemed to be wearing a helmet of sorts and
a black cloak. His face was shrouded in darkness, and
when Jane got closer and asked him what was the matter,

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he said, quote, I am a policeman. For God's sake,
Bring me a light, for we have caught spring heeled
jack here in the lane. Surely, by then, Jane had
heard of the terrifying stories and ran back inside to
grab a candle. When she returned and handed the candle
to the man, instead of thanking her, he leaned back
and threw off his cloak, raising the candle to his

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chest and illuminating his hideous face.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Twist.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
It was him along he deceived her. So the paper
by historian Mike Dash describes him like this, quote, Jane
could not help but scream. The face thus revealed was
hideously ugly. Its eyes blazed red the coals of hell,
and its pinched tight features were topped by a peculiar

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sort of helmet. The body, meanwhile, was encased in a
tightly fitting shining suit, and a strange object resembling a
lamp was strapped to the chest.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Weird. It's like he's trying to be Wolverine and iron
Man and.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Come on, oh that's good. Uh yeah, so he's got
this light staff to his chest. There could be no
doubt that far from lending help to a policeman, Jane
had been ensnared by spring Jack himself. End quote. So
the poor horrified Jane barely had time to register what

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was happening before she was stunned by a quantity of
blue fire vomiting from spring Hill Jack's mouth into her face.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yuck.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
That's the grossest description of like non vomit. I mean, okay,
it's like literally me and Michael after having all the Indian.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Blue flame brass.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Grab the tobes. Yikes. So he quickly grabbed at Jane's
body and clothing, wrestling her into a headlock, before continuing
his assault on her body with n face with his
sharp metallic talons. Somehow Jane was able to break away
from the struggle and make a mad dash for the

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door to her house. It was a short distance and
one she was desperate to make, but in a scene
straight out of a horror movie, before she could reach
the door, spring Hill Jack was upon her, once more,
ripping at her clothes and face, while also pulling out chunks.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Of her hair.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Ah no, Jane screamed wildly, drawing the attention of her sisters,
who ran to her aid. The youngest sister was out first,
but she like she froze after seeing the attacker. She
was too scared. Yeah, And then the older sister came
out and jumped into action. She grabbed Jane and somehow
managed to drag her back inside, slamming the door in

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the entire space.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
That's intense.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Have you seen that trend going around where people they
do it's like the Michael Myers trend where it's like
they play the music and then somebody walks slowly behind
them with like, I don't know, a fork that's supposed
to be a knife, and they the person in front
of them has to run to the door and unlock
it before they get attacked by a slowly walking Mike Myers.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
No, No, is this on TikTok? Do I need to
get on talk?

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I think it's a TikTok thing, but like I want
to try it. I want to see if I would
get murdered before I could get the door open. I
probably would. I'm not very good with keys.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I don't even want to know, don't why why is
this a trend? I'm it's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
It's like it's always like the daylight, and it's just
like your friend walking slowly behind you, like my hair does.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
I hate it. Even if it was you in a
rainbow dress, I would be like, you're chasing me.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
It's stressful. It's stressful even to watch. I'm just like,
I don't know. If I could, I probably fumble the keys.
I would start shaking, yeah, before he get in the lock.
But I was like, we should we should do that
would be fun, be fun, just to see which of
us would get murdered first or fastest.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I wonder if Michael.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Would kind of bet Michael wood dapers he'd be a
good Michael Myers. He would he just walks behind a
those brows Are you kidding me? Sorry? Michael? We love
you in your face.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
He said that a little too willingly.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
If he wants to murder us episode, he definitely wants
to murder us. Sees the first one who wants to
murder us top of the list, definitely the top.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Of the list. And then all the people that say
we giggle too much. Yes, apologies, I'm quiet down there. Okay.
So they get back inside. As the sisters lay heaving
on the floor attempting to recover spring Hill, Jack continued
to pound on the door, desperate to finish his attack.

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You know, they give it up. The sisters finally ran
upstairs and began screaming out the window for the police,
which I guess was their version of nine one one.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
There's no phone, no, I mean so highly.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Fast time and there's barely a police established.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Hey, like, who's gonna help?

Speaker 2 (44:19):
That's I hate that scream out your window? Gosh oby
uh So, after all of the screaming, the attacker finally
fled into the night, leaving poor Jane covered in deep scratches,
with chunks of her hair torn out out, her clothes
hanging in shreds off of her body. Thanks, where was
Dad during all this? I'm not sure, but he did

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report that the cloak worn by the attacker was left
behind as he ran away. However, the cloak quickly disappeared
and was thought to have been picked up by an accomplice.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
What happened to it? Did it disintegrate? Did it vanish?
Is it a ghost cape? Ghost cloak?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
It knows how to jump?

Speaker 3 (45:00):
It jumped.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Now we're getting into doctor Strange territory.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
All the superheroes marvelous? How many can we connects?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Okay? So nine days later, eighteen year old Lucy Scales
and her sister were visiting their brother, a butcher, who
lived in a nice part of town called Limehouse. As
the sisters were walking home that evening, they passed through
a green dragon alley, and along the way spotted a
slender figure dressed in a black cloak. As they drew closer,

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the figure leapt forth, holding a small lantern to his chest,
and blue flames erupted from his mouth, temporarily blinding and
stunning the girls. Lucy was in such shock that she
started convulsing on the ground. The assailant, who was later
described as having a gentlemanly appearance, did not further attack
the girls, and instead ran off into the night before

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he could be caught. Okay, yeah, so she, I guess
continued to like it sounds like a seizure, like she
was having a seizure.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Oh terrible.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, and this attack just like sent her into a seizure.
So and he he didn't like scratch them. So I'm like,
was it a different dude, Like, if there's a bunch
of dudes that are doing.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
This, right, one didn't have the claws or.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
The balls to do it, or wasn't that big of
an asshole or like you saw her convulsaying, it was like, oh,
this is this is new.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
This is this is new. I don't know how to
handle it. Better run away bye.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
So yeah, that was kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
And I also have the random thought of like there
are don make fun of me. I don't know if
this is weird or not, but there's people who can
fire breathe or like you know, yeah, like you can.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I'll get into that later. Oh okay, yeah, but there
are fire performers. I don't know if that's what they're
fire breathing performers.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Right or you like you blow something and it looks
like you're breathing fire.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
That was definitely an internet hole that I fell down into.
I was like doing all kinds of fire breathing research.
I don't know. Interesting, Yeah, it's interesting. Uh so a few.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Days, which would also explain some of the sulfur. Sorry,
I'm she's connecting the dots. Okay, Sorry, I'm interrupting you.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
It's all good. No, you're connecting the correct dots.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
A few days later, about a mile away, spring Hill
Jack turned up on the front doorstep of a mister Ashworth.
The servant boy answered the door, and the man on
the step asked to speak to the owner of the house.
Before the boy could answer, though, the figure threw back
his cloak to reveal his terrifying face and strange attire.
The boy screamed loudly and the supposed spring Hill Jack

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ran away, but not before the boy noticed something a clue.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Ooh.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Somehow he managed to see an embroidered family crest with
a W on the hem of the man's cloak before
he fled.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Leave it to the kids to notice something.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I know, A clue. Cool, that's like the first the
first clue basically, it's sure yeah, yeah, so it's like
things tangible. Yeah, tucked that away for later save it. Okay, Now,
after Jane Alsop's attack, people begin taking this more seriously.
Why because she was from the upper class. Of course,

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of course, of course nobody cares about the pores. But
now someone with coins got hurt. So we now we're
gonna put some time and money to finding this guy.
So investigations were conducted, searches were launched. A man named
Arthur I don't know how to say this, well Leslie
is how it's spelled, Welleslie. He was the Duke of

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Wellington and a whopping seventy years old, and he vowed
to catch the villain and he patrolled the dark streets
with a rifle for a time, but he never caught anyone,
probably because he was seventy seventy years old.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
He lost his spring in his steps.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, sorry, fella, seventy at that time was like what
two hundred. I'm not sure how lived that long. Not
long after the Jane Also attack, there was a man
named Thomas Millbank. He was bragging in a bar that
he had been the one to do it, and was
quickly arrested. He was wearing white overalls and a greatcoat,

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which didn't look too good, but upon further investigation, he
was found to be not guilty, and Jane's attacker was
never found or charged. In the midst of all these attacks,
there was just like a bunch of shitty dudes who
decided to start attacking women and scaring people while pretending
to be spring Hill Jack.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah, I took advantage of that phase.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
There's always like so gross opportunistic bee holes. They just
can't help themselves, Vicky. There were many copycat attackers, but
none of them were found to be the actual spring
Hill Jack. Okay, but the fear and paranoia the attacks
were causing was undeniable. As the menacing spring Hill Jack
crept into the culture of the time, Soon there were

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sensationalized stories in the papers, exaggerating truths or just straight
up writing fiction. He became the subject of the pulpy
Penny dreadfuls at the time, where he was portrayed, you know,
sometimes as a villain, but also sometimes as a crime
fighting vigilante instead of what he really was, which was
a creep who just preyed on women. I also saw

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like a little thread that was like maybe he was
kind of the inspiration to Batman. After they kind of
like changed it into a crime fighting vigilani because they
kind of give him like in the drawings of him,
he looks kind of like a devil a little bit
so like, oh, like the points like a bat.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah, makes it really high. You can see that. A
rich another fucking superhero.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
But it's DC. Don't get that mixed.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Hello, Wolverine's DC.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Idiots. That's not.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Sang it idiot, sang it. Well, he's all yeah, well,
now he's Marvel, because isn't he with Deadpool? Now they're married.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Marvel?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Was he?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
No, he wasn't X Men x Men is not Marvel, right, yes, no, it's.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Just been Surely the movies have just been known by Sony.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Okay, well, I don't. I don't expect to know anything,
you Durst, not question Michael, I know who I Who
do I think I am?

Speaker 4 (51:23):
I'm not an expert.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
That's just a nerd upset.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
I just made myself look like idiou idious, So Dirsty,
I would have gone right along with you, just so
you know I'm not an expert either.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'd be like, oh, you're right.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
It makes sense in my brain.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
So okay, sure, sure, okay, where am I? Okay? So
in eighteen thirty eight, a stage play called springhel premiered
at the Royal Pavilion Theater, which was catered to the
working class. Spring Hill Jack was also the subject of
many sermons, so you can imagine, of course, the message
was the women of London were being punished for their sins.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Of course, it's always the women's fault, their fault, h
Dud's their fault.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Their hair's getting ripped out. So following these strings of
attacks there was a kind of a quiet period for
spring Hill Jack. He allegedly popped up again in eighteen
forty three in Northamptonshire, leaping from rooftop to rooftop. In
July of eighteen forty seven and Tynemouth Devin, a captain
by the name of Finch, was investigated and convicted of

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two assault charges against women. He had allegedly been disguised
in a skin coat which had the appearance of bullock's hide,
a skull cap, porns and mask. That's what he was
wearing during the attacks, I guess, but he didn't really
seem to be linked to previous attacks, so yes, it's eh,

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It's just eh. Spring Hill Jack was also seen in Lincolnshire,
where he was spotted jumping on rooftops and was subsequently
shot at, but the bullets reportedly pinged off of him
with a metallic sound, so now he's also made a
metal meta. In eighteen seventy seven, spring hill Jack appeared
to have some fun at the Aldershot Garrison, where a

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number of soldiers were stationed. A dark figure was said
to have assaulted a guard by giving him several slaps
to the face before the soldier shot at him, missed
and watched as the figure bounded away with astonishing leaps,
which I think that's the funniest of the attack. Slapping
just pops up stops that.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, and the last reported sighting a spring hill Jack
occurred in Liverpool in nineteen oh four, where he was
reportedly spotted jumping over rooftops and then never seen again.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
So odd.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah, so that's between eighteen thirty six and nineteen ohh four.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
It's will still a long time.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
It's a pretty long time period.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Okay, now let's before we do theories and stuff, let's
just take a quick break. Welcome back, yep. Sorry, always
just waiting for you to say something staring at me. Okay, sorry,

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welcome back. Let's talk some theories please, Okay, Now, beyond
the eighteen thirties attacks, it is widely believed that the
later signings were copycats or hoaxes, especially with the large
time gap, because, I mean, unless spring Hill Jack was
really a supernatural entity, there's no way one dude is
jumping from rooftop to rooftop over a several decade time span.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, as our decrepit corner in the beginning of this episode,
you get what happened.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah, you get older, you get hurt more.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah. Okay, So first off, mass hysteria always a fun one, right,
It's always there. You always gotta throw it in. So
this is a time period of great but also social
repression and strict religion. There's a lot of emotions bubbling
beneath that stoic British facade, and a terror such as
spring Hiel Jack may have set people off, causing them

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to be so scared that they begin to see and
believe things that weren't true.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I mean, I really don't doubt that some of the
stories were probably attributed to that. Sure, but I don't
think it's a good explanation for a number of the attacks.
Including gene alsops, which was witnessed by several people.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Right, it's those ones that you question.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Right, You're like, well, she didn't imagine having her hair
ripped out exactly. So Uh, perhaps spring kilt Jack was
acryptid or an alien? Sure, why not? I do prefer
my cryptids to be a little bit more outlandish. You know,
Mothman also has glowing red eyes, but you know he
has wings and the ability to fly and predictable.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Jumping, so unique. True, the jumping is the thing, and
the jumping is what gets me, Like it's like, how
can I do jump? Because you're saying he jumps like
what nine feet or like that's what they're like really
high like.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
That.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
How does somebody do that or fake that?

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I don't know, because I think that's what hangs up
a lot of people. I think some things can be
explained away. But the jumping, I mean this is like
Victorian era. I don't even think. Do they have contraptions
now that could do that? I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Like, sure, you've got like what are those things called
the abounce on uh progo stick? Those are a thing?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
They don't get that high. I don't think no, like stilts.
Stilts are a thing, but like not, it can't be
a thing. It can't be an answer to this no.
So yeah, it's just right. It's hard to explain the
jumping away. Yeah, it's the jumping that gets you. Yeah,
who knows.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Maybe he had he built some kind of contraption he
just didn't share with anyone, so we'll just never have it.
But yeah, that's an interesting one. Okay, So there is
there is a theory that I do really like. It's
not as fun as cryptids or aliens, but it does
have some sound reasoning behind it. So during the eighteen
thirties attacks, after the assailant was described as having a

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gentlemanly appearance, people began assuming spring Hill Jack was a
member of the upper class, or maybe even several members
of the upper class who were just being awful to
poor people for a laugh.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
I could see that, unfortunately, so.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
You remember the anonymous letter suggesting the same concept. It's
also been theorized that the perpetrator may have been well
educated in order to create a device that allowed him
to jump to great heights and shoot blue flames from
his face. Yeah, more than one victim of spring Hill
Jack described the strong smell of sulfur emanating from them,

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as we discussed earlier. Fun fact, when ignited, sulfur burns
bright blue A doune dune done.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I mean that is yep, I mean that explains it.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
It smells like sulfur. He is that part blue flames.
I still don't understand how he's shooting them out of
his mouth.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, I want to know what that looks like.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
And sprain Hill Jack was often seen holding a light
or a lamp to his chest, so perhaps.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
So double fire, double lamp.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Well, he could have been using it to light the sulfur.
This doesn't answer how the flames shot forward. But maybe
I did see another thing where someone was like maybe
he had sulfur dust or powder and then he would
like blow it his hand through the flame.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I have to see it in action. I couldn't really
find anything online of like someone doing it that way.
And I was looking up all the fire breathing people.
They usually use like a liquid, a liquid, yeah, but
and not sulfur. I think they's white gas. I can't
remember what they called it. But yeah, so that's interesting. Yes,

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let's see what else. Okay, or yeah, or he could
have built a contraption that did for him. I don't
know what that contraption would do or how it would
be built, but sure, either way, a knowledge of chemistry
might be an asset to the assailant, adding to the
theory that the person was well educated or at least
new people who were.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
But then it comes down like, okay, well who like
who is this?

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Then?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Well, there's one man who was thought to be the
notorious London creeper and his name was Henry de Lapour Beresford,
and he was the Marquess Marquis of Waterford. Waterford starts with.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
A w Okay, I was going to bring up the
W but I was thinking of the name y.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
But he I guess it's the title. Oh yes, Waterford.
So let's talk about this guy for a second, because
he is a piece of work. So he's born in
April eighteen eleven and and Henry de la Poor Beresford
came into his title following the deaths of both of
his parents and older brother. That's brutalis. But if these

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effects affected him, or sorry, if these deaths affected him deeply,
he didn't seem to show it, as he became an
insufferable frat slash fuck boy of his time. Educated at
Eton College, his reputation for drinking, fighting, and mischief preceded him.
He was described as cold and cruel, especially to the
lower class people. He would get a kick out of

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random acts of cruelty, like knocking over produce cards. He
would pay poor people to fight him and then fight
the officers who showed up to break it up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Get a life, dude, that is his life. No.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
He was reported to have smash windows, thrown meat out
of butcher's shops, oh my gosh, accosted people well naked,
and was cited several times for drunk and disorderly conduct.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Yikes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
The Marquis was said to have contempt for women and
would do anything for a bet, anything like become a
weird Victorian urban legend.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Maybe yeah, I could see the ego there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
There was one particular incident where the Marquis and his
drunk rich friends decided to go out for a drunken rampage,
which ended in them inciting a riot, breaking windows and
tons of other stuff, and then stumbling upon a construction
site where they found red paint and subsequently painted things red,
which is where the saying paint the town red comes from.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Oh, fun, fun, fat, that's why. Such as just being turds.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Yeah, being turds. Okay, So I thought that was a
fun little fact.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Yeah, but even these.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Drunk, rich assholes couldn't get out of that one. So
when they were tried in court, they showed up wearing
ridiculous bear skinned coats and large cravats which are like
those neck scarf things like they were back then, illustrating
just how seriously they were taking the charges.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
I wouldn't like, so slappable. I want to slap their ice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
No, they seem like the most punishable little douchebags of
their time. But I also thought it was interesting that
they showed up in bear skin coats because people described
seeing a bear.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, so kind of you're kind of explaining it a little.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Interesting, okay. Because of these various exploits, many people at
the time pointed to the marquee as the culprit behind
spring Hill Jack, with his friends serving as accomplices. Considering
the w embroidered on the cloak of one of these sightings,
I feel like that's a pretty good guess. Plus, he
seemed like a relasshole and assaulting women at night doesn't

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seem like a stretch for his character. Right In eighteen
forty two, the Marquis married and settled down and lived
the rest of his life pretty normally until eighteen fifty nine,
when he died in a writing accident. So the timeline
of this also makes sense because the attacks were happening
in eighteen thirty seven and eighteen thirty eight for the
most part. So maybe he was just like living out

(01:03:12):
his glory days until he settled down and that's kind
of when those attacks stopped, and then like copycats started. Yeah,
but uh yeah, who knows, certainly none of us, which
is why the messtery out of spring Hill Jack still
intrigues us to this very day. And that's all I
have for you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Wow, good job, thank you. Yeah, it's the jumping that
gets me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
It's still the jumping. I know that part can't really
be explained. That one's still yeah, boggles the mind. The
flames you could all kind of find, Like the glowing
red eyes, I feel like it's probably just people exaggerating.
I don't know, how do you get glowing red eyes?
I don't know, because they're seeing him so quickly, like
such a flash. Yeah, because none of these attacks were

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super prolonged before he like runs off, right, So I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Yeah, imagine there's not a whole lot of them that
include that detail of red eyes. No.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Yeah, they didn't all say red eyes, but they didn't
all see jumping either. I feel like the jumping wasn't
super prevalent in all the attacks. Only a couple of
people saw the crazy jumping.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Really, Okay, true, Maybe that's just like maybe that was fabricated, exaggerated.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Yeah, maybe he had like a little trampoline.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Installed many trampolines on his shoes and he just yeah,
I don't know, but uh, it's a fun one. It
is a fun one. Thank you. How fun?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, good job, Thanks B for recommending it. Yes, we
do love the suggestions because I don't think I would
have ever come across this one on my own to
like do his topic.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Yeah, and that's a good one for you to do
bavery or vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
That's so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
We see you. That's very nice of you. I'm like, shitus,
I know, wow, Iceland.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
I would love to visit Iceland some day. I think
it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Absolutely, thank you for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Thank you so much, appreciate it. Enjoy your shout out. Uh. Okay, Shauna,
what are you watching and listening to these days?

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Okay? I do want you to elaborate a little bit
because you did it earlier. But okay, So me and
Chad I got I've got him to watch a show
which is a miracle in itself, truly, and so we
decided to watch and we're three years behind. So yeah, yes,
being behind, but yeah, only murders in the building with

(01:05:51):
what's so name Martin short Selena Gomez. Yes, ce Martin.
We've been loving it. We've been binging it like we're
still almost done with the first season and just delight
delightfully weird.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Did we get through the first season? No, we have
tried to watch a show.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
And you said that you tried.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
I just can't get into it. I don't where is
it that you stop which one? It's just not it's
not hooking me. We're not even so odd, not even
through the first season. And I don't understand where they're
gonna go from here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
And I that's sad because we were hooked immediately and
we're like, oh my god, play the next one immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
I want to be hooked. I'm just not. And I
can't bring myself to keep watching because because somebody told
me that it doesn't really get better, I was like, oh,
I was kind of hoping it would get better.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
I've heard that so many other celebrities come on to
it like it's such a popular show. They're like nominated, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
I know, there wont all these awards of so many
like celebrity guests on there, so like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Already, yeah, yeah, that's what we think, and so far
we love it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
I don't know what do you think, Michael? Is it
just me that's yucking your yum? Do you like it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
I think when we first started, we watched two episodes
and I was keen to keep watching, and you are not.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
You're not going for it? Is it? Steve Martin and
Martin short? Do you not buy? But they're married?

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I love them. I do love them. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
And then we came back and started on episode three
and we got up to seven or eight I want
to say, and I don't know. I could take it
or leave it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
That's how I feel about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
And so it didn't hook you at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I don't hate it. I just don't like it enough
to keep watching it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Sure, that's sad because we're like into it. But you
that's you. Yeah, and I still love you and support you. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Thanks, glad that that show didn't break our friendship. Well,
I'm glad that you're enjoying it. Maybe someday I'll give
it a third shot and we'll see, maybe we'll take
I was watching a show called Have you seen it
on Netflix? It's called The Terror on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
You no, Well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Think it was originally an AMC show, but it it's
my perfect show because it's historical and it's creepy. It's
it's about an expedition like I think probably in the
eighteen hundreds of these dudes that are trying to break through,
Like they're trying to do like an Arctic expedition, which

(01:08:23):
a lot of people try to do back in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Yeah, there's like stories.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
On that, like there's one of those on my list
to do it. I think, yeah, yeah, I have the book,
but this is a different story. But this one they
take it and they do like a horror twist twist
to it, so it's like really brutal and like there's
like a creature hunting them. But it's also just like

(01:08:48):
the horrors of being on an arctic.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Oh my gosh, cold cold. It's scary enough.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
The ship always gets stuck in the ice. That's just
always what happens. Then they get stranded. They're all like
the food is all. It's like, it was really well done.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
I heard really good recommendations for it. So if you
guys want a spooky historical show, the terror is a
really good one. That is, and that's my recommendation.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
And you know it is we are a pon fall.
We are upon spooky season now, right? Is today the
first day of fall? Technically? Is it it's the twenty
second today or oh I don't know, or.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
It feels like it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
I have the phone in my hand, the phone, the phone,
I have the telephone. Yeah, today's the first day of fall. Oh,
happy fall. So I also on our list that we
watch every year is what we Do in the Shadows,
So funny, such a good show. So at least we
need to be on that show.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Yeah, Oh, I love spooky season. I love all the
spooky shows. I'm more wimpy than it used to be,
so I can only do it in small amounts.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
But yeah, I don't like I like funny spooky, sure
not scary spooky.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Well you might not enjoy the terror, but I enjoyed it.
Michael would watch like tiny bits and pieces. He'd sit
there and I'd try and fill him in on everything
that happened, which was ridiculous, like, oh, yeah, that's he
that guy. I remember that guy. He got eaten and
like half his body torn apart. So was call you
that guy? So super fun show. I highly recommend if

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you wanted scare.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
I had already read the wiki at the time too,
so I was like I already knew kind of how
it ended. And yeah, so this guy died and this
guy was like, yeah, that checks out. I think I
think everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
I think everyone dies, like oh okay, it's one of
those shows we're like maybe no, no, that guy too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Nope, they still sucking you in out, but they're gonna
kill it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
They kind of make it seem like maybe he'll make no, no,
they're gonna kill him. I don't I have anything else
other than I fully got sucked into the chapel rowan
oh trend. I'm fully you're fully in, fully in. I
did watch what was It?

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
The VMA's just to try and keep up with who
is popular now. I did enjoy the show. I did
enjoy her performance for Joan of arc performance totally. I
also enjoyed Saprina Carpenter, which you always mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Yeah, I'm fully in her camp too.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Yeah, yeah, I'm in it. I support.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah. It does make me feel kind of like I
shouldn't be listening to it because I'm old, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Now like, no, it's fine. It's just having to be
familiar with.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
The young ins. Yeah, there's some I mean, you don't
really need my recommendation on it. They're literally everywhere, so
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Yeah, we're just getting on board because we're the old decrepit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Old decrepit corner. All right, Well let's go, Okay, I'm
gonna say good up. I was gonna say good at.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Fine, good night, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
My sources are a four part paper by Mike Dash,
Wikipedia dot com, PBS is Monstrum episode on spring Hill,
Jack on YouTube, Decoding the Unknown on YouTube, a podcast
called a Honishing Legends episode fifteen. Our music is by
Broke for Free and Matt Eden and we are edited
by Michael.

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