May 27, 2025 • 62 mins
In this week's episode, Shawna revisits one of her most fascinating topics and shares a heart-stopping plane incident from 1990s Britain.
Tune in as Shawna recounts the incredible story of a pilot who endured one of the worst experiences possible on an airplane, and the co-pilot who had to think quickly to save everyone on board British Airways Flight 5390.
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Tune in as Shawna recounts the incredible story of a pilot who endured one of the worst experiences possible on an airplane, and the co-pilot who had to think quickly to save everyone on board British Airways Flight 5390.
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Mayday-Air Disasters
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Music By:
Brokeforfree.com
Matt Edon
Edited By:
Michael
Website:
https://anxiousandafraidthepod.com/
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hello, see itself. Hell, hey guys, welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Mabbie and I'm Shauna and this is Anxious and Afraid. Hey,
we're back the return again. We broke up, we didn't, No,
just kidding tricks on.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You still together? Yeah, yeah, that's where we're at. Yeah,
I'll just take that. You want to start with that?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh yeah, let me Anxious afraid you great start.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah. So I'm gonna take full responsibility of that little
miniature unannounced updated hiatus that we took. Sorry, this year's
pretty crazy. Twenty twenty five be bad. It's been crazy
and bad for a lot of people, for a lot
(01:15):
of reasons. I'm going through what I call my midlife crisis, eram,
but I know you don't like me calling it midlife. No,
you're not midlife yet. I mean, come on, girl, we're
getting old.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You're not going to die at sixty, so it's not
mid life.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh you still think I'm thirty. That's great. It's so
cute of you. I mean I will gladly still be thirty. Anyways. Yeah,
So I've been just going through it and wanting to
be distracted in ways that aren't the podcast. So I
apologize it's my apology corner to both of you guys
and everyone who listens to us. My bad, my bad.
(01:52):
Hey both I'm here. We are. We found our way back.
Of course, we got to do it before number two arrives.
Just anst at my giant stomach. Oh, I mean it's
so cute around girl. You're pregnant. Oh yeah, third trimester
things are heating up and it's been different for you,
so like, I feel like you've also been like kind.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Of yeah, up and down, up and down for sure.
I had like the baby beats, like diabetes scare because
I fairly stressful. I was really stressful because I failed
my first test, but then I ended up passing the
three hour so that was good.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
All was good.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, because I was like, I, this birth plan is
already kind of messed up because I really don't want
another sea section, so I'm doing everything I can. And
then if you get diabetes that kind of throws a
ranch in things. So yay, I don't have diabetes.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Great.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I'm about thirty weeks, which is wild.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, it's coming up, it's happening fast. I'm I'm shuck.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's really flying by, like a little too fast. If
we're being honest. Yeah, this baby's gonna be here by
like the end of July, and it's like the almost the.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
End of May. So we're gonna try and get some
episodes in before you come, yeah, because I we'll have
to take another little break for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, just you know, while we get through the trenches
of newbor.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Number two, it's easier to think about.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I don't think THEO fully comprehends no way. He just
doesn't really get that there's a baby, Like he kind
of like will talk about baby brother, but then sometimes
he points at my boobs and he's like brother, and
I'm like.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
No, I can see how you're mixed up.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, So I think it'll be kind of a definitely
a big change for him too.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So it's just give me motions all around.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Big adjustment for sure, but hopefully they bond. I mean,
it'll be like little brothers.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's cute. Of course. I think this year for the
both of us has just gone in directions that we
never anticipated, right, And we're also like, oh, drastic life
changes happening this year. Big for us.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, and it's already halfway through the year, which is
also insane.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
How's that happened. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I just turned thirty four a little while ago, so
that was crazy too, just to be like, oh my god,
thirty four like one more year and then I'm thirty five.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, girl, Like I'm thirty four and I'm turning thirty
five this year, and it's like messing with my brain?
Are you okay? No? Like, thirty five is like a
number to me, Like it's a big one. I feel
like that's the oldest of young, the oldest of and
I'm scared. I don't I want to still be young.
Age is but a number, right, That's true. But yeah,
(04:48):
it's that's where.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Once you usually start getting old, that's when you say
age is just number. Uh yeah, but we I mean
we went and had an amazing dinner last night that
was really fun.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh my gosh, that was amazing because.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
We have this like tradition where we go to this
certain place it's called Doling Spoons.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
They do like.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Fancy it's like fancy food, but not really a fancy place, right,
It's fancy where it counts. It's like right next to
where my parents used to live in the country. It's
like way out in the country, which is kind of
random but fun pretty, and we all ate.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So ridiculous amount of so much food that we were
actually like wobbling, And.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I know we all just like wobbled out of there
because we all also got dessert. And I feel like
I very rarely ever ordered dessert after dinner, like if you.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Go out to eat, I don't know that life, but
really I feel like I always waiting, yeah, I mean
going out, yeah, for dinner. I don't usually order dessert,
but I'm a dessert gal.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
For sure, you got the You and Michael both got
the shrimp Wellington, which just sounds very fancy.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It was the best thing I've probably eaten ever up there. Yeah,
for sure, it was really good.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That's impressive, really freaking good. I got steak and shrimp
just like so the boogiest. But ye couldn't drink, so
that was kind of a bummer.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But you know, it was just a few hours of
us pretending we could afford life like that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know, I know, it's definitely like a once a
year treat, because I like, there's no way, like this
is it is worth it?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, you can't. It's actually not that bad. Honestly, Yes, honestly,
it could have been more.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It could have been more in this in this day
and age. Yeah, they could easily check up, yess. Yeah anyway,
but anyway, that was really fun. So that was like
a little late birthday celebration. Oh when they sang to me,
which is like my worst nightmare.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I like, we didn't ask for it.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Technically we didn't ask for it, but like the social
anxiety of being saying too. Luckily though, apparently everyone on
earth was having a birthday that evening, yeah, or an anniversary,
so like.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Everyone was being sung to.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, the poor weight stuff. They were singing like every
ten minutes. So mine wasn't that weird or out of
the ordinary. I think by then people were tired of
clapping for it, which is good. So that's also why
you're anxious in a Friday. I forgot to ask you,
but there you go. Yeah, those are mine. I am
super pregnant and people saying to me and maybe the
center of attention.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, so that's that. The world's been up, you know,
the world. We can't even approach the world right now.
We all know it's what's happening. Unfortunately, I'm way too aware.
Did you hear about the whole Annabelle thing, like Annabelle thing. Yeah,
they took Annabelle on tour and everyone was like the doll, Yeah,
the haunted doll.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
What they took her on tour? I'm like, does she
need to.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Go on tour?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I don't know, tour and yeah, and like while she
was on tour, that giant plantation burned down and everyone's like.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh, I didn't realize that was the connection, Like, well,
that's what she's up to.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And then also props, but also good job, good job.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Girl out of all the things.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, go, we're down the rest. And I think there
was like a rumor that she got lost and people
were freaking out.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
No, why would anyone risk this? I know.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
But then I don't think she did get lost. She's
where she needs to be.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I think so zach Began's museum or something. Now she's
in the Warren, the Warren's museum.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
St Yeah, so I don't think she's actually lost.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But that's a fun don't mess with Annabelle. Don't mess
with mummies and digging bones up and stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I never really, I don't really know. I thought it
would be a fun one to cover. I guess Annabelle like.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Have you not already. I've never really gotten deep into
the Annabelle lore. I guess we did Robert, right, was
it Robert? No, we didn't do Robert. Those are the
two big ones. What are we doing? I know I
did a different curse doll. I did do one and
the box.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I remember I did a lesser known one now I
can't remember the name of it. Shoot, but I also
did the dibig box. I love a good cursed object.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So she's she's just been done a lot. So I'm like,
I don't know if I should, but yeah, I don't know.
It might be fun. And I'm also not so like
super sold on the Warrens. Yeah, I mean, the more
that comes out, I guess, the more we're like, they
seem really scammy, so not the best choices sometimes maybe.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, they seem like they were really scammy. So I'm like,
is Annabelle actually as haunted as everyone thinks she is?
Or is it just because they were like con artists?
I'm not sure?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Or was it like more the husband and less Lorraine.
Maybe I like to try and give her a little
bit more.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Definitely, Yeah, definitely the husband was a showman and like
a con artist. But in the same way she was
kind of complicit.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So yeah, I don't know what you mean. Oh well, whatever, whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And then they got played by really hot people in
the movies.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
That's true. And now yeah, and there's like, what three
movies about them? Now yeah, yeah, Well we're talking a lot,
I know, should we start? Yeah, I want to hear
what you have to say. Okay, well, what is my
favorite thing? Your favorite thing to cover besides the Titanic?
Besides the Titanic really gets me going.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean, okay, you love a reincarnation, you love an alien,
and you love a missing person.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh wow, I'm really surprised that you got it all wrong. No, wait,
what I thought that was the three? I mean those
are high up. Of course I love all of those.
But I am doing another I'll say it, another airplane story.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Oh okay, of course. Well I just know that you're
very also sensitive to airplane stories.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh that's true. Yeah, I have the whole thing with Mexico.
I had to like stop. And I'm also like probably
going to be on an airplane another time later this
year in November.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
So yeah, that's why I was like, I didn't think
you would do an airplane because you're probably don't have
to be on ones.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I know that's true. I'm not very smart, and.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Let's just like, I mean, all drama with airplanes lately.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Also that Yeah, I think I had this and like
on my bucks for a long time. I was working
on these for a long time, this subject on a
long time, and then all the that one week of
like two major airplane crashes happened and I was like,
oh no, indeed, break, I don't know if I could
do this. Yeah, it's been pretty bad. Yeah, that first
one was real bad, and the footage is real, real bad.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
The one wait, the one the small plane or the
bigger plane both are bad. Yeah, yeah, well they're both
really both footages or footages.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
The footage.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, there's just so much footage, like in ring cameras. Yeah,
you did different angles of it. It's like so morbid
to watch.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So traumatizing. Yeah, so here we go. In lieu of
all that, I'm still doing airplanes. Okay, however, this is
my favorite one, probably i'd say of all time. Oh
I am never old, like sick of the story. I've
seen the episode for this a castillion times episode and yeah,
(11:46):
because there's an episode I've watched like a mini documentary.
Oh okay, okay, oh, because you know, there's a whole
airplane disaster channel that I watch, and there's there's a
whole show that I just you know, watch airplanes on
repeat on Discovery Crashes. I think it's just the air
disaster channel. It's actually a channel for it. Yeah, it's
like Pluto or Google TV. It's like just a dedicated
(12:08):
channel to all disasters, and it's mostly airplanes. And I
get sucked in. I've watched like all of them. Somebody
helped me. Wonder you have a phobia I am not doing.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
When check on JOHNA, she's not okay okay.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
But however, I did pick the best story. Okay, okay.
I love the story. It's been on my list forever.
So all right, you ready for this? Oh okay, I'm sorry, No,
it's gonna be great. So on June tenth, nineteen ninety
eighty one passengers and six crew members were about to
become a part of the one of the wildest airplane
(12:46):
stories of all time. A very routine two hour flight
from Birmingham Airport in England to Malaga Airport in Spain
was about to become the most unforgettable ride of everyone's life.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Okay, I don't Okay, I'm not your favorite recognize it yet.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Uh you will down the line, I've you will down
the line. I think I'm pretty positive you'll you'll get it, okay,
because I feel like I've mentioned this before or shared
pictures of this before. Okay. The aircraft was a very
reliable BAC one eleven. And we have forty two year
old Captain Timothy Lancaster, who had been flying for twenty
(13:30):
one years. At that point. He had eleven thousand total
flight hours under his belt, with eleven hundred of those
flying on specifically the BAC one eleven aircraft. Okay. Then
we have thirty nine year old co pilot Alistair Atchison.
This is British Airways by the way, Okay if you're
not realizing by the name very British Alistair, Yeah, sure,
(13:54):
with a total of seven five hundred total flight hours
and I'll so eleven hundred of those hours being on
a BAC one eleven.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Okay, so they are like used to this planet. Yeah,
it's very young.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And it's yeah reliable, plane has a great track record
all that, Okay, great stuff that you would.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Try not a Boeing seven thirty seven or whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
No, no, no, it's not I guess. So on this day,
five of the six crew members had all worked together
a lot before in the past they have become pretty
close co workers. New to the crew was the co
pilot Atchison, and unbeknownst to everyone, he would become the
hero they all needed that day. Oh new guy, you
(14:39):
guy is the hero. Nice, So here we go. Of course,
it is a beautiful, clear sky morning. Nothing could go wrong.
Nothing could go wrong, that's right. And it's only eight
twenty am in the morning. We're so alert during that hour, right, Yeah,
(15:00):
I would hope pilots are anyways, so freaking early. They
begin their routine takeoff from Birmingham Airport and they're on
their way up to their cruising altitude of thirty or
I'm sorry twenty three thousand feet, which is seven thousand meters. Okay.
Twelve minutes into the flight they reach up to seventeen
thousand feet or five thousand meters. They decide to turn
(15:23):
on the autopilot and both captains undo their shoulder harnesses
to get more comfortable. Captain Lancaster also loosens up his
lap belt.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Okay, I don't like the look you gave me.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
What does it mean? Okay, I guess I'm gonna put
this out here now because I don't think I put
it in my notes to announce it. This is British
Airways flight fifty three to ninety and this is episode
one seventeen. Okay, there we go. Okay, So then we
have flight Attendant Nigel.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Ogden, Nigel all these British name I know, it's great.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And he does the most British thing. He goes into
the cockpit and asks the pilots if they would like
the morning tea. The cabin crew is already starting to
prepare their food and drink services, when all of the sudden,
the pilots notice a very unusually unusual rattling sound, and
(16:22):
within seconds, two loud bang or two loud explosions occur.
Oh okay, oh no, really fast. The left windscreen panel
on Captain Lancaster's side blows right off the deck, and
this also causes the cockpit door to blast open into
(16:42):
the cabin.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh no, oh. In the in the front of the plane.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
The front window blasts right off.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh my, that's like the one of the worst windows
they could blast off.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Probably the worst windows you can choose. This is that window.
Oh no, yeah. Immediately the entire plane fills up with
a thick, white fog of condensation. The intense rush of
air from the deep pressurization ends up sucking the body
of the captain right out. No the window. No, oh
(17:21):
my god. This happens within seconds and the only like
twelve minutes in. Oh that poor man, that captain goes out.
Oh my god, that's awful. Oh does this not ring
a bell at all yet? No? Okay, that's horrible. This
is horrible. That's awful. Can you imagine? Oh my god, Yeah,
(17:43):
that's terrifying. Do we all want to take a break
just to you know, Oh, sure, contain that information? So yeah,
quick recap. The captain is blown out the window. Yeah,
(18:06):
so hope you guys contain that information. So that's where
we're at. So fun. No, it's not not put at all.
It's not. The co pilot alistair Atchison is instantly in
shock and is trying to literally gasp for air. Oh yeah,
because it depressurized. He can't see anything because of the fog. Oh,
(18:29):
he can't hear anything because of the loud rushing wind.
Oh my god, he's practically in a tornado because he's
dealing with three hundred and fifty mile per hour winds,
which is the same as five hundred and sixty three
kilometers per hour, and it's freezing cold temperature. Who in
the cockpit just swirling hardcore wind.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I don't think you trained for that. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
No, oh no, no, no, no, no, how do you
even get that under control? I don't understand any items
such as paperwork, charts, procedures were all blasted out the
window as well.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
And you said the door flew up into the cabin,
so like they're also getting all of this.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh yeah, they're getting the fog, the wind everywhere. The
cabin is filled with debris flying around, and the passengers
are all screaming, and.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, I'd be like, oh, well, okay, we're all dying.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Like absolute terror instant. Oh okay, they are in a
full blown dive. They're diving down. No, the airplane is
also starting to shudder with turbulence, so you know, shaky.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Once the condensation fog clears up a bit flat, Attendant
Nigel Ogden notices that the captain's body was sucked out
the window, but his feet were stuck on the control handlesdop.
Wait so he's not actually gone.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
No, I mean I don't know how to feel about that.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
This, I mean it's trauma no matter. Oh how you
pull it, poor man. Yeah, So his feet are stuck
on the control handles, which is pushing the plane down.
So he's the one steering it down with his feet.
This is why the airplane is in such a steep
dive because that also caused the autopilot to disengage. So
(20:24):
he's the reason why it's going down.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So like, how do you save him and also the plane?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Oh no, So Ogden ran to grab onto the captain's
legs to make sure he didn't fully blow out the door. Okay,
we'll start there. It's hard enough to hold onto the
captain's body with like Ogden alone with the wind, like
the wind pressure saying my line, Yeah, it's it's strength,
(20:57):
you need strength. So yeah, he couldn't release land Caster's
legs from the controllers on his own. It's then Caster's
body is actually being blasted with nearly three hundred and
ninety mile per hour winds.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You wouldn't be able to breathe like that would just
take your breath away, like right out of your body.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah. For everyone else, that's uh six twenty seven kilometers
per hour. I'm trying to be equal there for everyone
fun Americans. Yeah, so this is Yeah, he completely his
body is completely pinned down to the roof of the cockpit,
so he's just stuck there. The winds are intense. It's
also freezing temperatures reaching to negative seventeen degrees celsius, which
(21:38):
is one degree fahrenheit. Woo bare body like shirt and pants. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh man, I would just hope that I would just
get knocked out.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh I feel like you would instantly. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Atchison was repeatedly shouting may Day, May Day to air
traffic control, and they were actually able to hear his
cries for help, but the rushing wind was much too
loud for Attison to hear any of their replies, so
he just keeps yelling out for may Day and not nothing.
(22:12):
What are they supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Also, great question, like, Okay, I'm sorry, like you're kind
of on your own though, you got to kind of
figure something out.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
M h, sorry, new guy, sorry, new guy. Yeah, he
was completely on his own during this time to figure
out how to get control of the airplane. Oh, just
to askanalin, Oh I can't even restan and adrenaline like
sweaty palms. You have no time.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Your mind would just be racing a million miles an hour, like.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You can't breathe. You're trying to think before like there's
not enough oxygen before you get like you.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Know, epoxia, yeah, oh, or is it hypoxya whatever that term.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Is, right, I mean, just this is all like it's
taken me a while to explain this, but this is
all within seconds, right, seconds, minutes, but it.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Probably feels a lot longer to those Oh my gosh,
I bet yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So, and just to add to the horror of this story,
if it wasn't bad enough, Atchison also knows that he's
flying through one of the busiest air traffic spaces in
the world.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Oh so he could just also just crash into someone else.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So there is an added danger of a possible mid
air collision with another aircraft. Jesus Chief Stewart John Heward
now notices the chaos that's unfolding in the cockpit. How
could you not, he rushes, towards Ogden and the captain.
He puts his arm through the seat belt of one
(23:39):
of the spare seats, like the third spare seat behind
the captain's chair, and then he helps Ogden release Lancaster's
feet from the control handles that are pushing the plane down. Okay,
so together they were able to do that. Okay, So
once that's done, Atchison was able to gain full control
of the airplane. But in a genius move like this
(24:02):
blows my mind because you're in shock, you're diving, can't
breathe can't see, you can't hear. But he knows he's
smart enough to know that. He neither slows down nor
starts to level out the plane because he knows one
he needs to get out of the heavy air traffic
space as soon as possible, so he just keeps the
(24:24):
speed going down so he can leave the danger there.
And he needs to get to a safe elevation as
quickly as possible for literally everyone to be able to
breathe oxygen because they because he can't get too high. Yeah.
So at this point they were at seventeen thousand feet,
(24:44):
which is eleven thousand, wait, five thousand meters, sorry, So
seventeen thousand feet and they it only takes them two
and a half minutes to get to eleven thousand feet.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, okay, so they had to fly low so that
everyone doesn't suffocate.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, you have to get to like at least like
ten thousand feet is the safe like what elevation for
them to breathe without like oxygen. So that's why he's
continuing the like the really fast dive. So that's a lot. Yeah,
that's a lot of fast thinking. Oh yeah, you would
think like, oh my gosh, why isn't he like fixing
(25:26):
it right now? But he's like, no, no, no, I
need to take us to safer.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
That's a lot of things to consider all at once.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh my god, there's so many things in math and science.
I could never be a pilot. That seems like such
a stressful t I feel like you really have to
be one of the smartest people. It's just so much
really smart and really calm.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
And really level headed, which yikes, yikes, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Also, air traffic controllers, I can never be It takes
a special person, absolutely not. Could I ever be paid
enough to do that?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Like side point, but have you heard about all the
drama like, oh, which airport was it? It's one of ours,
of course. Well not in Orgon, sorry, but in the
US that they like lost. It's actually happened a couple
times recently because all of our equipment is very outdated,
which is just great for airplanes, but like in air
(26:15):
traffic control, one of no, two different airports have lost
all communications for at least like a minute, and it's
so traumatizing to the people working there that they like
literally can't work the rest.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Of the day. Yeah, because like there's like planes flying
in and you can't tell them what to do, and
then you're kind of responsible, like you can't communicate you
know that there's like hundreds of lives on board.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, and there's like, no, we don't have enough people
trained in air traffic control to like fill in these jobs.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
No, such a problem. Yeah, like for one person, they're
doing like a two to three person job.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Like yeah, and you have to train I think for
like at least like five years to be able to
do this job. And you have to go to the
special school and do all this like insane jobs.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Ten track of so many planes and elevations and like
the way they move, like these blocks around and it
looks way like wait, ancient times, like why isn't everything
con uterize? Yeah, yeah, it's like no wonder nobody signs
up for that job. It seems terrible. It seems like
the worst, and you know, we're just making it so
much better these days, Like how about we cut your funding? Also,
(27:26):
how about we fire most of you? Actually, but everyone
still flies? Was it Newark? Maybe that was the one. Ooh,
I don't know, but it's bad. It spat out there
in these in these parts in the US.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Maybe you should just drive for your trip. Where is
it again, California?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You can drive, I know, but seventeen hours compared to
two to three. Yeah, that's actually terrible. I don't know.
I don't know what the right answer is. I just
have to get, you know, drugs again. Make sure i'm calm. Yeah,
it'll be fine. You'll be fine. Everything's fine if you
take enough. Even if it goes dan, you won't know.
(28:02):
I just need to be Yeah, put to sleep a
hope for the best that I wake up. Yikes. Okay, okay,
we're the worst in the mouth. Why why do I
do this? Okay? So, yeah, once Atchison is able to
actually level out the plane and slow down. He's able
to slow down to one hundred and seventy miles per
(28:22):
hour or two seventy three kilometers per hour, and this
makes the body or the captain's body outside of the plane.
Oh I forgot, he's still out there. Oh yeah, by
the way, they're still holding on his body for dear life. Yeah,
so his body is actually no longer being pinned with
the pressure of the wind at that slow of speed,
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and so his body starts to slide down the side.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Oh but they're still hot, they're still yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So yeah, but and he's like frailing around like you
know inflatable two man, Yeah, with his arms up and
you know, hitting his head against the window and like
there's blood. It's not a pretty sight. So that's what
he's still dealing with. Okay, Yes, Another steward named Simon
(29:13):
Rogers comes to help and has to relieve Ogden's grip
on the captain because Ogden is starting to lose feeling
in his arm. He's aching and he's starting to get frostbitten.
Oh shit, because it's so cold. It's so cold, and
he's the first person to grab on to the captain Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Wow, it's a good thing. There was like a bunch
of strong dudes on board.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, a lot of dudes. I feel like you don't.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Well, I guess at least on the flights I've been on,
there wasn't a ton of male flight attendant.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I mean, also the adrenaline and just like that, the
sheer fear and true, I mean, have to hold on here,
women like lift cars off the kids. So I guess
I think it's a I think it's a real thing. Yeah,
that's true. Okay. So once the men were able to witness, like, okay,
so there's Lancaster's face through the side windows now that
(30:02):
he slipped to the side, and they at this point
believe that the captain is surely dead. His eyes were
wide open but not blinking, and like I said before,
there's still a lot of you know, splattered blood everywhere.
Oh god, oh god. The men briefly ponder if it
would actually be the best choice to let go of
(30:24):
his body. Oh no, but then you don't know if
he really is gone, Like what if he's not? But
also it's like such a slim chance for him to
survive that kind of exposure, and shit.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I can't imagine the agony of that decision, Like, oh,
I can't imagine. Right while you're still hold you want
to you have respect for that man, Like you don't
want to just out he's a human being.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah. And obviously they're their friends. Yeah, they know each other,
know whom personally. Yeah. However, copilot Adjason instructs them to
keep holding on not only as an act of compar ashion,
but this also prevents any further damage to the plane.
The body could literally be sucked into an engine, which
(31:07):
is the most horrific thing I can picture. Or he can,
you know, slam so hard into the wing that it
causes fatal wing damage. So like not okay, lose, lose,
So hold on to that man. Atchison is left to
operate the airplane systems completely by memory.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Oh, because you can't see or well, he.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Has no like charts, procedures, nothing, He has no captain
to speak to, like, he doesn't have anything to refer to.
So he's looking at these controls and is like, I
just have to remember how to work these. It's just
so the amount of stress this poor man, I can't
Seven minutes into the ordeal, Atchison is finally able to
(31:56):
hear and communicate with air traffic control for the first time. Wow,
think about how long seven minutes is I can and
you can't talk to anyone for help.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You're just panicking for seven Like seven minutes is a
long time to be panicking, and also just be thinking
about all the people on board and like and yourself.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yes, like I cannot handle that amount of pressure. No, okay,
So he's talking to air traffic Control. He asked if
it's possible to perform emergency landing at Gatwick Airport in London,
since he's more familiar with that airport also by memory,
like he's familiar with it, because you also need charts
for airports, like yeah, you have to know, you need
(32:37):
to know how long. It's crazy so much. But he
learns that Southampton Airport would be closer, even though he
has never landed at the airport before. Great also right,
So he's like, already, then that's fine, sure, as long
as you can confirm that I have a long enough runway,
(32:59):
and he's hoping that it would measure to two point
five thousand meters long and if that's the case, he'd
be happy. Air Traffic Control confirms negative. The longest Southampton
has is one point eight thousand meters long. Oh cool,
like a lot less, a lot less, a good significant
(33:19):
amount less. But all is clear for you to make
your landing. Just try it, good luck. No. Yeah, So,
like we've been freaking out before, there's so much math
and science and measurements and like every vailue, very variable
that you can think of that goes into calculating a
(33:41):
safe landing. Atchison is also worried about the plane being
overweight because they are still full of like jet fuel.
You would make a landing once you've gone through most
of the fuel. So now weight is a problem. Okay, yeah,
I wouldn't even have considered that. Yeah, it affects speed.
(34:03):
It affects like how you know, if it can stop
in time before you run off the runway, which is
also a problem. Oh that, it's probably why he wanted
a longer runway. Okay. Oh nah, Yeah, there's so many
bad things that can happen. Yeah, yes, okay, And specifically
with this air airplane, the BAC one eleven, that plane
(34:27):
is unable to dump any fuel for an emergency situation.
So some airplanes can apparently you can just dump fuel,
which is like not cool, but if it saves everyone
do it. But yeah, he doesn't even have that option,
so he can't get rid of anyway. Even he's just stuck.
He's just stuck with what he's got. Okay, yeah a
(34:48):
Justison has no choice but to be the bravest he's
ever been, bravest you've ever been, and every like it,
everything is working against him at this point, like literally
nothing helping him out. That man, he's having the worst day.
Mm hmm. Okay. Once the plane was at one point
(35:08):
five thousand feet for or four hundred and fifty seven meters,
Atchison finally has sight of the runway okay through the window.
Air traffic control asks if they can be any further assistance,
but Atchison says no, and now all is silent but
the rushing wind, and he breathes embraces for the most
(35:31):
challenging and stressful landing of his life, like you can
do nothing but like sitting wait, just nail biting those moments,
even as like a passenger, like you're holding your breath,
you're probably not making a sound, and you're just hoping
that it lands. Yeah, like what's it doesn't happen?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Like is like are they communicating like to the passengers.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Or I think there's the state of panic. Everyone's in
the state of panic. I think they kind of get
the gist that the captain's not okay, no, but yeah,
I think they're just trying to like brace and hold
on to their seating. Oh no, yeah, what can you do?
(36:17):
Like literally, that's why I hate airplane stories, because you
are literally you can't do anything. Yeah, there's nothing you can.
You are just putting sheer faith into life and pilots
and pilots and shit in science and engineering of airplanes.
Oh so many things. Okay. Yeah, so we can also
take a break here since everything's prekay it dead, So
(36:50):
we're about to land this motherfucker I'm not thank good, right, Okay,
So we're thirty five minutes in from the initial takeoff.
It's been over half an hour.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Oh wait, because it it happened like at least ten
minutes in, ten minutes in and like the whole like
the whole incident takes about like twenty twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
So yeah, thirty five minutes total, okay, which is also
really fast and slow at the same time. Yeah, so
it's eight to fifty five am and one of the
reasons why the story is so great is because Agison
performs the perfect landing. Oh at a boy of all time,
(37:35):
at a boy smooth is butter Wow, the cabin is
relieve with applause. I was gonna say, can you imagine
the cheers, just like the massive relief, the huge breath
you take after.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, I can't imagine how like amazing you would feel
after something like that.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
But also still in shock, like yeah, it would still
be out of body.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah you should just be processing that for the rest
of the day, but also with like a I think
I'd have like the biggest smile on my face, like
I live, I live.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I lived. Who That's wild, right, so wild? Yep? Okay. However,
at this point everyone's relieved, but Alistair Atchison, the co pilot,
the hero of them all. His body begins to shake
uncontrollably because he starts to cry and he's just so
overwhelmed in shock and disbelief and and the adrenaline come
(38:30):
down to oh crash hard and just like you did that,
you just did that, and all like you had no
time to even freak out about it until just now. Yeah,
Oh my god, I cannot that, poor man. Like, like you,
you are calm throughout the like you're freaking out in
the inside, but you literally have to be calm because
(38:51):
you're thinking about what needs to be done immediately. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, I can't. I can't even relate to that kind
of like adrenaline. But in some moments where I've had
to like be really calm in like really really stressful
situations that come down, it's just like.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
It's something else. It's Yeah, it takes life out of.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
You because I feel like your brain like slows time
down in those moments and then all of a sudden
time like speeds back up to.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Where your body catches up. Yeah, and it just like
freaks out.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
And he's probably thinking of all the things that could
have gone wrong. Oh, I mean obviously they did go wrong,
but like how it could have been worse.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean again, so many variables
and terrible things I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I hope you got all the metals and all the
awards and all the accolades. Uh, and some fucking tea.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Get him his damn morning tea.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Batman has earned his cup of tea with extra sugar
in it.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Extra cube of sugar. Please, he deserves an extra cube. Yes,
I guess I can quickly look that up because I
did not write it down. But of course there's awards. Okay,
so the landing, we've landed, emergency services surround the airplane immediately,
fire trucks or firefighters remove the captain's body from the
(40:11):
plane while all the passengers were evacuated away from the plane.
And that scene because oh no, imagine that scene too.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, so he was definitely gone.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well oh oh, actually, also why the reason this story's
best is Captain Timothy Lancaster sir by five.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Oh my god, it's so good they didn't let him
out of the plane, I know.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Can you imagine? Oh my gosh. Okay, he only suffers
some frostbite fractures in his right arm and wrist, and
the left thumb with bruising, and of course some shock.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Not even like a head injury. No, what right can
smacked around like a rag doll? It doesn't have a
head injury. That's wild steal skull steel, Yeah, I guess,
I guess Yoh.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Wow, it's insane that he didn't suffer for more. Yeah. Wow,
he literally was outside of a plane for twenty minutes
over in freezing temperatures, blasting air.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I don't know how he didn't suffocate. That's the other
thing I'm like, I.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Will also let you know, because that's also the coolest detail, okay,
because I'm just like, how the f do you breathe? Like? No,
I mean, I still don't understand because you're like unconscious,
but it happens. I mean, miracles, baby, miracles.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I guess people breathe sky diving, but you're also not
being propelled by a plane, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
And it's the force of the wind. Yeah right, face
it right anyways, Okay, let me get there, Okay, Okay,
so this guy survives, I know, right. The flight attendant,
Nigel Ogden, also walked away with some frostbite on his
face and arm and a dislocated shoulder. He also ends
up start suffering from PTSD. Yeah I bet they all did,
(42:03):
honestly everyone. Yeah, I'm sure the mental injuries are not
listed at minimum you all get PTSD like minimum, Yeah
for sure. So yeah, in this instance, everyone survives with
like literally no other further injury, Like those are the
only two people who get injured, the captain and the
flight attendant.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Okay, I can see why this is your favorite, because
I was like, wow, Shanna, that's kind of a fucked
up thing to say.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
I know, but now you understand, and this is the
best outcome.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Can say, a plane crashes your favorite, Like that sounds
so bad.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I'm surprised you didn't call me out in the moment.
I've always sounds so bad. I put my trust in you,
and I was gonna call you out if it got
really bad. But oh my god, I'm glad that we
got there. And yes, we all understand that I'm not
a psycho. Everyone lives, Okay, one lives, I know, right, Okay,
all right, So Lancaster describes and this is what's so
(43:01):
cool about that, like episode, you're you're hearing from the captain,
you're hearing from the flight attendants and some of the
passengers are talking about this experience and firsthand and it's
just amazing. And there's footage, the actual footage of them
like getting out of the plane and seeing them all injured,
and it's wild. Wow, it's it's it's so wild.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Can you imagine if there's like cockpit cameras, are there
cock camera.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
There should be are there more than just an audio recording.
There should be cameras, you think, yeah, but we also
have like trains from the eighteen hundreds, and we don't
care about updating anything. Apparently, God, he thinks the cameras.
It's interesting. It has to be now in updated models.
It has to be right. Huh, Well that's something up later, okay.
(43:51):
So yeah, So Captain Lance Castor describes that he does
have like conscious memory of the window blowing out, being
the feeling of being sucked out of the window, which
like you would never forget that feeling.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
No, but it must have happened so fast, too, oh
so fast.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
And but it's funny because in the episode of the
doc too, he's like, you know, I was outside of
the airplane, but that didn't bother me so much. I
couldn't breathe, Like about it, I know, like, just chill it.
You're outside of the fucking plane. He's like, that wasn't
even the worst part. I just wanted to breathe. So yeah,
(44:34):
at least, like okay, so he's conscious enough to where
he knows what's happening. He's outside of the plane and
he can't breathe. Oh my god, it was just disgusting. So,
like I was saying before, his face was against the
airflow and it was like hundreds of miles per hour
wind going up his face his nose. Yeah, like you're suffocating,
(44:56):
You're solidly suffocating. Yeah, So he knows consciously at that
moment that he tilts his head a certain way so
where he's looking at the tail end of the aircraft.
He remembers seeing the outside of the tail of the plane.
He remember seeing like the wing and the engine, Like
(45:18):
what that No one should be able to see while
the plane. No one should ever have that memory ever. No,
So he remembers turning his head to look away, so
he had pockets of air to be able to breathe. Wow,
And then his body goes unconscious, but is still able
to stay in that position. I guess, Yeah, how does
that work? I don't know, but.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Because I was like, how do you even keep up
the next strength with the wind pressure to do that?
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
But also I guess maybe the way he was flopping around,
he was able to get a breath in every now
and then.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
But yeah, that's intense. I can't even know. But he
did go unconscious. So yeah, after that, after that moment,
he's like okay, and then I have no memory until
I woke up in the hospital, which you know, thank god,
but like still because I mean, yeah, an ordeal. You
don't have much oxygen. It's over twenty minutes. You're freezing cold, yeah, which.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Is yeah, that's probably a good thing because I feel
like if you're awake, you would just be stressed out.
Who's holding under your legs? Like am I They're about
to slip? Or like right, you can't.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Like communicate no with your mouth. Okay, So the reason
why this all happens is upsetting. Oh, here we go,
so here we go, Like this is why I hate
this stuff. Someone forgot to screw something down. It always
(46:48):
goes okay. Yeah. So, according to the plane's maintenance log,
that same windscreen panel was replaced just the day before
this flight took place. Eighty four out of the ninety
screws to secure it were too small in diameter. Oh
(47:13):
my god, this made it too weak to withstand any
of the air pressure.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Who's quality checking these things? Like, it's literally the front
of the airplane. There should be something that has checked.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Like like so highly, like one hundred times before anything. Yep, yep, yep.
But it takes something like this for them to be like, huh,
we should like huh check that.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Maybe we should have like maybe two people check it exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yes, So investigators not only find out that the maintenance
worker not only worked on replacing the window in poor lighting,
and he did it without his prescription glasses. The fuck
he's like doing it by candlelight, like kind of yeah,
(48:04):
dim lighting, no glasses, let me go the most important
task of all time. Possibly It's like, oh, I can't
find my glass. It's fine, you know, I can just squint.
I can't. I know it. He's like, are these the screws?
I can't They're probably fine, Like yep, no, that's like
literally the thought process. He also failed to refer to
(48:27):
the the chart of like the screw sizes and like
which ones are mandatory for that specific model and window,
and he just decided to fucking eyeball it with blind confidence.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
I mean, honestly, it does sound like something I would do,
but not on an airplane.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Not on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
On a toy car, yeah, or like maybe some shelving,
but like right, this will do.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
But oh no, so just really not great. Probably didn't
keep his job. I don't. I hope not. I'm sorry.
That's a pretty big mess. Steak, that's a that's a
big one. Yeah, So it's not so after this, you know.
The solution is like you have two people check in
on this, you follow the procedures. Even if you fully
(49:17):
think you know it by hand, you still look it up.
It's just like you just don't risk it. You don't
motherfucking risk it. Duh. This is like people's lives at stake.
It's not just a casual few hundred lives at stake, well, families,
I guess I understand, like getting a little jaded or
just like if you're doing it for a long time,
(49:38):
for so long, sure, but also like I would be
so I would be so anal about following the rules
with that.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I would just I have too much anxiety to just
be that flippant about something like that. I would think
about it all day. Like I don't think I would
ever sleep again if I was like, wait, what if.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
You were any part of the variable of people dying?
I would never h no, sorry, no, no, no, we
say no okay. Some of the aftermath here. Nigel Ogden
returned to work eventually, but retired in two thousand and
(50:18):
one due to his PTSD. He was the one of
the flight. He was the flight attendant. Yeah, yes, fair, fair,
absolutely fair Alistair Atchison left British Airways shortly after the incident,
but moved to a different commercial airline. He ended up
retiring in twenty fifteen on his sixty fifth birthday. Okay,
(50:41):
so he did the thing. He just kept going, he
continued to fly. Wow. Yeah. But also he doesn't like
talking about the incident, like he's not interviewed in the episode,
and I think he's just like I can't relive that.
I get it, which also so fair. Yeah, yeah. Captain
Timothy Lancaster only took five months to fully recover from
(51:05):
this incident from being outside of a plane, and then
he's back in the cockpit and then he fully returns
to flying full time. He doesn't quit eventually, he retires
in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I wonder I wouldn't, well, Like, psychologically, I would think
the co pilot probably took the brunt of it, since
he had he was the conscious one.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yes, and you, yeah, you lived through that whole thing.
I mean the flight attendants too, and holding on the
body like yeah, so traumatic. God for everyone and everyone.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
It's so impressive that there any of them are able
to go back to their job. I don't know if
I could step foot in an airplane again.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, I'm not sure if all of them technically did,
but yeah, just the the pilot's is going back like
it's I mean, not like it's no no thing, but like, damn,
they just went back. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Wow, I wonder what the first flight back is.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Was like, Like also, yeah, that would be so out
of body as well, like, yeah, oh, last time I
was on a plane, I was on the outside of it.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, no, biggie, everything's fine. Wow, Wow, they're brave, y'y
proud of those kids.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Oh my gosh, that's so impressive. And I believe that
like every once in a while they still kind of
get together and meet up and kind of look through
like the paper headlines together of like their incident and
trauma bonding, trauma binding for sure. Yeah, Like, how do
you not also become like so close after that? Yeah
in a way, Yeah, so it looks like Yeah. First
Officer Alistair Ashison and some of the crew members also
(52:40):
Nigel Ogden, were awarded the Queen's Commendation for valuable service
in the air.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Oh did she actually I wonder if she actually like
bestowed it upon them?
Speaker 1 (52:51):
Good question. It says also that Atchison was awarded in
nineteen ninety two the Polarist Award for Outstanding Airmanship because
well deserved. Yeah, well deserved. Wow. And that's that's that story,
you guys. Wow. Well, and that's why it's my favorite.
I mean, I couldn't have ended better. I guess for
(53:15):
the outcome.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Yeah yeah, everyone lived, No one was like horribly injured.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah. Wow. Wow, that's a wild story. Oh my god,
isn't it crazy. I can't even believe that it's real.
It needs to be a movie, like I want to
watch it, like a lifetime movie about it. I wonder
if it is is it? Is there anything on the
bottom of this Wikipedia page.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Oh it would be a good place to check, wouldn't it.
Sometimes it says something about references. No, I guess not. Well, yeah,
maybe someone will make it someday.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Maybe it'll be me. Oh, good job, thank you.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Wow, that's a good one. I don't know how I
I didn't really know about that one.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
I thought you would have remembered it, but no, just
because it sounds so freaking crazy. But it is crazy.
I know, out of like all the airplane stories, they're
all so different, and this one was just like a
positive one. I know the majority of them are not
not like this at all. Don't end well, I had
to flip the switch a little bit. I appreciate that
and make it a happier one. I appreciate that. I
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appreciate it too.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
We don't all have to leave today feeling really really sad.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, everything's still fine. Wow. Oh well, thank you for
doing that one. Oh my gosh, thank you for having
me do it. A great return. I hope people enjoy
that as much just I did it? All right? Should
we do the City of the week. Let's do it
(54:47):
all right? This week?
Speaker 2 (54:49):
It is New Baltimore and Michigan. Hello, hey guys, I
don't know if we've ever had in Michigan City of
the Week.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Oh, very cool.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
New Baltimore. I didn't know there was also a place
called New Baltimore. Is there an Old Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
We don't know anything about your state, but thank you
for listening.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
We are ignorant about geography.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Pretty sure you've had Grand Rapids as a haven't we. Well,
good for you.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
For knowing, well, you know, Michael has an encyclopedic memory
that I don't have, or I.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Just made it up. I don't know. Hey, shout out
to Grand Rapids, but also mostly New Baltimore. Oh, Michael
made an appearance.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
He's still here. He's there, He's there, he's here, He's
still alive.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Everyone.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Hey, Hi, we kept him around. Yay, So thank you
for listening. If you wanna also be the city of
the week, you just got a binge, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, on the weeks listening to our stuff. Yeah, I know, right,
we're trying again. Sorry, Okay, so what are you watching?
What are you doing? What are we listening and watching?
I okay.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Shauna is a big Severance fan, such a nerd about
it and I we finally started it, so I'm so
happy so we can finally talk about it. Our only
one episode and there's.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Still our only one episode. Oh my god, there's so
many more. I know.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
We really got to continue watching it. Well, okay, the
problem was that Conan Must Go came back.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Oh my gosh, I've been watching that too, so good.
I'm only two episodes in on that one. Well, they're
only doing three the last one they only did four.
That's not enough. Who does he think he is not
traveling to more places? That's not a full season of
anything because parents died. Oh okay, well you guys remember
when that happened. Now that's right? Are you serious? That's sad?
(56:41):
Oh nos? Right before? Okay, well he's okay, we love you.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
I read that by complaints and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Wow, but watch that show. It's great because we love
I do love Conin so much.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
He's it's a great show. It is so conde. Must
go and severance and severance.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
If you're not watching those, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (57:04):
And we also started Murder Bot, which has a Scars
Guard in it.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Oh, they're good at everything they do, the.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Tallest one murder alex Alexander, Alexander, Yeah, Scars Guard.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
It's pretty great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
I think there's only a couple of episodes out so far,
but it's been it's been fun.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
It's about a robot that murders. He hasn't murdered anyone yet,
he himself is the robot. Yeah. Wow, I bet he's
so good at it.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, he like plays this kind of social awkward yeah,
socially awkward robot, which is funny.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
He's funny. I think relatable to a robot. Right, isn't a.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Book or something you read? It probably books, So of
course Michael's going to be more critical because he's read
the book.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
So it's just like fresh eyes and like really having
a great time watching it. So I have nothing to
compare it to, but I think it's fun.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
I think adaptation of the books. Oh good, great, great recommendation.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
Sometimes they really suck at that. We remember Halo was
one that we were really disappointed by and then they
canceled it. So I guess everyone was disappointed. Sounds like it. Yeah,
So anyway, are you watching anything else?
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Yeah? Also, I'm still on It's on Apple TV Plus
or whatever. But after you watch Severance, I highly recommend
you watch the show Shrinking. Oh I've heard things. It
has Jason Siegel and Harrison Ford and it's also Chef's Kiss.
Like every episode is just so good.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
Okay, and it's funny, okay, because I'm like, oh, I
don't know, it seems really emotional.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
There's it's i mean, a dark subject ish, but it's
really funny. It's just too good. You love it. It's
compared to seference you don't even know what you're in
for for sefence. Okay, Oh good, your brain is gonna
be on a trip without having to do any drugs. Okay.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Well, also, we were watching Alone. I just can't get
enough of that show. I know, you never really was
survival show, yes, because okay, there was an Australia. There
was Australian season, which basically was Australia scary, you would think,
but they put them in a place where there's like
(59:12):
no predators, nothing really to hunt, and so basically it's
just like a game of Survivor, you eat, that's starving
who can starve the longest? And a woman won the season.
Sorry spoiler, but like I don't think a woman. I
don't remember a woman ever winning And I was just
really stoked by that. Proud of her, yeah, I was
like fuck yeah. And she had like a really fucking
(59:35):
brutal story and like so I was just very happy
for her. And now we're watching one about the Arctic Circle,
which is exactly the opposite. There's like bears, wolves, moose,
all the predators, everything's trying to eat you and murder you.
And I was just like, wow, what a difference when
you would think Australia would be.
Speaker 1 (59:52):
The I would definitely think Australia's.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, but it wasn't Scar So yeah, that's I'm currently
on the Arctic Circle and it's like now it's about
to get all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
So I'm like, wow, what, like I'll sign up for Yeah? Why?
I hope they're getting paid good money.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
And you know, what's the best thing to do while
you watch that show and watch people like really have
a terrible time and starve is to eat food just
tastes better when you're watching people really struggle.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Oh snap, Wow, what a variety of shows for people
to start watching because watch all those Wow. Yes, okay,
I think we've done our part, right, I think, so
we'll come back soon.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, I've I've got half an episode already written down,
so I'm gonna finish that and then yeah, we'll have
another one.
Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I'm gonna try to come back to you know that's
how this works. Yeah, okay, then uh oh what do
we say? Good up and good night? Embarrassing? I forgot
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Mabbie and I'm Shauna and this is Anxious and Afraid. Hey,
we're back the return again. We broke up, we didn't, No,
just kidding tricks on.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You still together? Yeah, yeah, that's where we're at. Yeah,
I'll just take that. You want to start with that?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh yeah, let me Anxious afraid you great start.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah. So I'm gonna take full responsibility of that little
miniature unannounced updated hiatus that we took. Sorry, this year's
pretty crazy. Twenty twenty five be bad. It's been crazy
and bad for a lot of people, for a lot
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of reasons. I'm going through what I call my midlife crisis, eram,
but I know you don't like me calling it midlife. No,
you're not midlife yet. I mean, come on, girl, we're
getting old.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You're not going to die at sixty, so it's not
mid life.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh you still think I'm thirty. That's great. It's so
cute of you. I mean I will gladly still be thirty. Anyways. Yeah,
So I've been just going through it and wanting to
be distracted in ways that aren't the podcast. So I
apologize it's my apology corner to both of you guys
and everyone who listens to us. My bad, my bad.
(01:52):
Hey both I'm here. We are. We found our way back.
Of course, we got to do it before number two arrives.
Just anst at my giant stomach. Oh, I mean it's
so cute around girl. You're pregnant. Oh yeah, third trimester
things are heating up and it's been different for you,
so like, I feel like you've also been like kind.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Of yeah, up and down, up and down for sure.
I had like the baby beats, like diabetes scare because
I fairly stressful. I was really stressful because I failed
my first test, but then I ended up passing the
three hour so that was good.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
All was good.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, because I was like, I, this birth plan is
already kind of messed up because I really don't want
another sea section, so I'm doing everything I can. And
then if you get diabetes that kind of throws a
ranch in things. So yay, I don't have diabetes.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Great.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I'm about thirty weeks, which is wild.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, it's coming up, it's happening fast. I'm I'm shuck.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's really flying by, like a little too fast. If
we're being honest. Yeah, this baby's gonna be here by
like the end of July, and it's like the almost the.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
End of May. So we're gonna try and get some
episodes in before you come, yeah, because I we'll have
to take another little break for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, just you know, while we get through the trenches
of newbor.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Number two, it's easier to think about.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I don't think THEO fully comprehends no way. He just
doesn't really get that there's a baby, Like he kind
of like will talk about baby brother, but then sometimes
he points at my boobs and he's like brother, and
I'm like.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
No, I can see how you're mixed up.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, So I think it'll be kind of a definitely
a big change for him too.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So it's just give me motions all around.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Big adjustment for sure, but hopefully they bond. I mean,
it'll be like little brothers.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's cute. Of course. I think this year for the
both of us has just gone in directions that we
never anticipated, right, And we're also like, oh, drastic life
changes happening this year. Big for us.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, and it's already halfway through the year, which is
also insane.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
How's that happened. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I just turned thirty four a little while ago, so
that was crazy too, just to be like, oh my god,
thirty four like one more year and then I'm thirty five.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, girl, Like I'm thirty four and I'm turning thirty
five this year, and it's like messing with my brain?
Are you okay? No? Like, thirty five is like a
number to me, Like it's a big one. I feel
like that's the oldest of young, the oldest of and
I'm scared. I don't I want to still be young.
Age is but a number, right, That's true. But yeah,
(04:48):
it's that's where.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Once you usually start getting old, that's when you say
age is just number. Uh yeah, but we I mean
we went and had an amazing dinner last night that
was really fun.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh my gosh, that was amazing because.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
We have this like tradition where we go to this
certain place it's called Doling Spoons.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
They do like.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Fancy it's like fancy food, but not really a fancy place, right,
It's fancy where it counts. It's like right next to
where my parents used to live in the country. It's
like way out in the country, which is kind of
random but fun pretty, and we all ate.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So ridiculous amount of so much food that we were
actually like wobbling, And.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I know we all just like wobbled out of there
because we all also got dessert. And I feel like
I very rarely ever ordered dessert after dinner, like if you.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Go out to eat, I don't know that life, but
really I feel like I always waiting, yeah, I mean
going out, yeah, for dinner. I don't usually order dessert,
but I'm a dessert gal.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
For sure, you got the You and Michael both got
the shrimp Wellington, which just sounds very fancy.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
It was the best thing I've probably eaten ever up there. Yeah,
for sure, it was really good.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That's impressive, really freaking good. I got steak and shrimp
just like so the boogiest. But ye couldn't drink, so
that was kind of a bummer.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But you know, it was just a few hours of
us pretending we could afford life like that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know, I know, it's definitely like a once a
year treat, because I like, there's no way, like this
is it is worth it?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, you can't. It's actually not that bad. Honestly, Yes, honestly,
it could have been more.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It could have been more in this in this day
and age. Yeah, they could easily check up, yess. Yeah anyway,
but anyway, that was really fun. So that was like
a little late birthday celebration. Oh when they sang to me,
which is like my worst nightmare.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I like, we didn't ask for it.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Technically we didn't ask for it, but like the social
anxiety of being saying too. Luckily though, apparently everyone on
earth was having a birthday that evening, yeah, or an anniversary,
so like.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Everyone was being sung to.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, the poor weight stuff. They were singing like every
ten minutes. So mine wasn't that weird or out of
the ordinary. I think by then people were tired of
clapping for it, which is good. So that's also why
you're anxious in a Friday. I forgot to ask you,
but there you go. Yeah, those are mine. I am
super pregnant and people saying to me and maybe the
center of attention.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, so that's that. The world's been up, you know,
the world. We can't even approach the world right now.
We all know it's what's happening. Unfortunately, I'm way too aware.
Did you hear about the whole Annabelle thing, like Annabelle thing. Yeah,
they took Annabelle on tour and everyone was like the doll, Yeah,
the haunted doll.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
What they took her on tour? I'm like, does she
need to.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Go on tour?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I don't know, tour and yeah, and like while she
was on tour, that giant plantation burned down and everyone's like.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh, I didn't realize that was the connection, Like, well,
that's what she's up to.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And then also props, but also good job, good job.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Girl out of all the things.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, go, we're down the rest. And I think there
was like a rumor that she got lost and people
were freaking out.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
No, why would anyone risk this? I know.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
But then I don't think she did get lost. She's
where she needs to be.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I think so zach Began's museum or something. Now she's
in the Warren, the Warren's museum.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
St Yeah, so I don't think she's actually lost.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But that's a fun don't mess with Annabelle. Don't mess
with mummies and digging bones up and stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I never really, I don't really know. I thought it
would be a fun one to cover. I guess Annabelle like.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Have you not already. I've never really gotten deep into
the Annabelle lore. I guess we did Robert, right, was
it Robert? No, we didn't do Robert. Those are the
two big ones. What are we doing? I know I
did a different curse doll. I did do one and
the box.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I remember I did a lesser known one now I
can't remember the name of it. Shoot, but I also
did the dibig box. I love a good cursed object.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So she's she's just been done a lot. So I'm like,
I don't know if I should, but yeah, I don't know.
It might be fun. And I'm also not so like
super sold on the Warrens. Yeah, I mean, the more
that comes out, I guess, the more we're like, they
seem really scammy, so not the best choices sometimes maybe.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, they seem like they were really scammy. So I'm like,
is Annabelle actually as haunted as everyone thinks she is?
Or is it just because they were like con artists?
I'm not sure?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Or was it like more the husband and less Lorraine.
Maybe I like to try and give her a little
bit more.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Definitely, Yeah, definitely the husband was a showman and like
a con artist. But in the same way she was
kind of complicit.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So yeah, I don't know what you mean. Oh well, whatever, whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And then they got played by really hot people in
the movies.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
That's true. And now yeah, and there's like, what three
movies about them? Now yeah, yeah, Well we're talking a lot,
I know, should we start? Yeah, I want to hear
what you have to say. Okay, well, what is my
favorite thing? Your favorite thing to cover besides the Titanic?
Besides the Titanic really gets me going.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean, okay, you love a reincarnation, you love an alien,
and you love a missing person.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh wow, I'm really surprised that you got it all wrong. No, wait,
what I thought that was the three? I mean those
are high up. Of course I love all of those.
But I am doing another I'll say it, another airplane story.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Oh okay, of course. Well I just know that you're
very also sensitive to airplane stories.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh that's true. Yeah, I have the whole thing with Mexico.
I had to like stop. And I'm also like probably
going to be on an airplane another time later this
year in November.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
So yeah, that's why I was like, I didn't think
you would do an airplane because you're probably don't have
to be on ones.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I know that's true. I'm not very smart, and.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Let's just like, I mean, all drama with airplanes lately.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Also that Yeah, I think I had this and like
on my bucks for a long time. I was working
on these for a long time, this subject on a
long time, and then all the that one week of
like two major airplane crashes happened and I was like,
oh no, indeed, break, I don't know if I could
do this. Yeah, it's been pretty bad. Yeah, that first
one was real bad, and the footage is real, real bad.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
The one wait, the one the small plane or the
bigger plane both are bad. Yeah, yeah, well they're both
really both footages or footages.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
The footage.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, there's just so much footage, like in ring cameras. Yeah,
you did different angles of it. It's like so morbid
to watch.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So traumatizing. Yeah, so here we go. In lieu of
all that, I'm still doing airplanes. Okay, however, this is
my favorite one, probably i'd say of all time. Oh
I am never old, like sick of the story. I've
seen the episode for this a castillion times episode and yeah,
(11:46):
because there's an episode I've watched like a mini documentary.
Oh okay, okay, oh, because you know, there's a whole
airplane disaster channel that I watch, and there's there's a
whole show that I just you know, watch airplanes on
repeat on Discovery Crashes. I think it's just the air
disaster channel. It's actually a channel for it. Yeah, it's
like Pluto or Google TV. It's like just a dedicated
(12:08):
channel to all disasters, and it's mostly airplanes. And I
get sucked in. I've watched like all of them. Somebody
helped me. Wonder you have a phobia I am not doing.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
When check on JOHNA, she's not okay okay.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
But however, I did pick the best story. Okay, okay.
I love the story. It's been on my list forever.
So all right, you ready for this? Oh okay, I'm sorry, No,
it's gonna be great. So on June tenth, nineteen ninety
eighty one passengers and six crew members were about to
become a part of the one of the wildest airplane
(12:46):
stories of all time. A very routine two hour flight
from Birmingham Airport in England to Malaga Airport in Spain
was about to become the most unforgettable ride of everyone's life.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Okay, I don't Okay, I'm not your favorite recognize it yet.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Uh you will down the line, I've you will down
the line. I think I'm pretty positive you'll you'll get it, okay,
because I feel like I've mentioned this before or shared
pictures of this before. Okay. The aircraft was a very
reliable BAC one eleven. And we have forty two year
old Captain Timothy Lancaster, who had been flying for twenty
(13:30):
one years. At that point. He had eleven thousand total
flight hours under his belt, with eleven hundred of those
flying on specifically the BAC one eleven aircraft. Okay. Then
we have thirty nine year old co pilot Alistair Atchison.
This is British Airways by the way, Okay if you're
not realizing by the name very British Alistair, Yeah, sure,
(13:54):
with a total of seven five hundred total flight hours
and I'll so eleven hundred of those hours being on
a BAC one eleven.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Okay, so they are like used to this planet. Yeah,
it's very young.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And it's yeah reliable, plane has a great track record
all that, Okay, great stuff that you would.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Try not a Boeing seven thirty seven or whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
No, no, no, it's not I guess. So on this day,
five of the six crew members had all worked together
a lot before in the past they have become pretty
close co workers. New to the crew was the co
pilot Atchison, and unbeknownst to everyone, he would become the
hero they all needed that day. Oh new guy, you
(14:39):
guy is the hero. Nice, So here we go. Of course,
it is a beautiful, clear sky morning. Nothing could go wrong.
Nothing could go wrong, that's right. And it's only eight
twenty am in the morning. We're so alert during that hour, right, Yeah,
(15:00):
I would hope pilots are anyways, so freaking early. They
begin their routine takeoff from Birmingham Airport and they're on
their way up to their cruising altitude of thirty or
I'm sorry twenty three thousand feet, which is seven thousand meters. Okay.
Twelve minutes into the flight they reach up to seventeen
thousand feet or five thousand meters. They decide to turn
(15:23):
on the autopilot and both captains undo their shoulder harnesses
to get more comfortable. Captain Lancaster also loosens up his
lap belt.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Okay, I don't like the look you gave me.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
What does it mean? Okay, I guess I'm gonna put
this out here now because I don't think I put
it in my notes to announce it. This is British
Airways flight fifty three to ninety and this is episode
one seventeen. Okay, there we go. Okay, So then we
have flight Attendant Nigel.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Ogden, Nigel all these British name I know, it's great.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And he does the most British thing. He goes into
the cockpit and asks the pilots if they would like
the morning tea. The cabin crew is already starting to
prepare their food and drink services, when all of the sudden,
the pilots notice a very unusually unusual rattling sound, and
(16:22):
within seconds, two loud bang or two loud explosions occur.
Oh okay, oh no, really fast. The left windscreen panel
on Captain Lancaster's side blows right off the deck, and
this also causes the cockpit door to blast open into
(16:42):
the cabin.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh no, oh. In the in the front of the plane.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
The front window blasts right off.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh my, that's like the one of the worst windows
they could blast off.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Probably the worst windows you can choose. This is that window.
Oh no, yeah. Immediately the entire plane fills up with
a thick, white fog of condensation. The intense rush of
air from the deep pressurization ends up sucking the body
of the captain right out. No the window. No, oh
(17:21):
my god. This happens within seconds and the only like
twelve minutes in. Oh that poor man, that captain goes out.
Oh my god, that's awful. Oh does this not ring
a bell at all yet? No? Okay, that's horrible. This
is horrible. That's awful. Can you imagine? Oh my god, Yeah,
(17:43):
that's terrifying. Do we all want to take a break
just to you know, Oh, sure, contain that information? So yeah,
quick recap. The captain is blown out the window. Yeah,
(18:06):
so hope you guys contain that information. So that's where
we're at. So fun. No, it's not not put at all.
It's not. The co pilot alistair Atchison is instantly in
shock and is trying to literally gasp for air. Oh yeah,
because it depressurized. He can't see anything because of the fog. Oh,
(18:29):
he can't hear anything because of the loud rushing wind.
Oh my god, he's practically in a tornado because he's
dealing with three hundred and fifty mile per hour winds,
which is the same as five hundred and sixty three
kilometers per hour, and it's freezing cold temperature. Who in
the cockpit just swirling hardcore wind.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I don't think you trained for that. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
No, oh no, no, no, no, no, how do you
even get that under control? I don't understand any items
such as paperwork, charts, procedures were all blasted out the
window as well.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
And you said the door flew up into the cabin,
so like they're also getting all of this.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh yeah, they're getting the fog, the wind everywhere. The
cabin is filled with debris flying around, and the passengers
are all screaming, and.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, I'd be like, oh, well, okay, we're all dying.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Like absolute terror instant. Oh okay, they are in a
full blown dive. They're diving down. No, the airplane is
also starting to shudder with turbulence, so you know, shaky.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Once the condensation fog clears up a bit flat, Attendant
Nigel Ogden notices that the captain's body was sucked out
the window, but his feet were stuck on the control handlesdop.
Wait so he's not actually gone.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
No, I mean I don't know how to feel about that.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
This, I mean it's trauma no matter. Oh how you
pull it, poor man. Yeah, So his feet are stuck
on the control handles, which is pushing the plane down.
So he's the one steering it down with his feet.
This is why the airplane is in such a steep
dive because that also caused the autopilot to disengage. So
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he's the reason why it's going down.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So like, how do you save him and also the plane?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Oh no, So Ogden ran to grab onto the captain's
legs to make sure he didn't fully blow out the door. Okay,
we'll start there. It's hard enough to hold onto the
captain's body with like Ogden alone with the wind, like
the wind pressure saying my line, Yeah, it's it's strength,
(20:57):
you need strength. So yeah, he couldn't release land Caster's
legs from the controllers on his own. It's then Caster's
body is actually being blasted with nearly three hundred and
ninety mile per hour winds.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You wouldn't be able to breathe like that would just
take your breath away, like right out of your body.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah. For everyone else, that's uh six twenty seven kilometers
per hour. I'm trying to be equal there for everyone
fun Americans. Yeah, so this is Yeah, he completely his
body is completely pinned down to the roof of the cockpit,
so he's just stuck there. The winds are intense. It's
also freezing temperatures reaching to negative seventeen degrees celsius, which
(21:38):
is one degree fahrenheit. Woo bare body like shirt and pants. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh man, I would just hope that I would just
get knocked out.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh I feel like you would instantly. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Atchison was repeatedly shouting may Day, May Day to air
traffic control, and they were actually able to hear his
cries for help, but the rushing wind was much too
loud for Attison to hear any of their replies, so
he just keeps yelling out for may Day and not nothing.
(22:12):
What are they supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Also, great question, like, Okay, I'm sorry, like you're kind
of on your own though, you got to kind of
figure something out.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
M h, sorry, new guy, sorry, new guy. Yeah, he
was completely on his own during this time to figure
out how to get control of the airplane. Oh, just
to askanalin, Oh I can't even restan and adrenaline like
sweaty palms. You have no time.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Your mind would just be racing a million miles an hour, like.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You can't breathe. You're trying to think before like there's
not enough oxygen before you get like you.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Know, epoxia, yeah, oh, or is it hypoxya whatever that term.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Is, right, I mean, just this is all like it's
taken me a while to explain this, but this is
all within seconds, right, seconds, minutes, but it.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Probably feels a lot longer to those Oh my gosh,
I bet yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So, and just to add to the horror of this story,
if it wasn't bad enough, Atchison also knows that he's
flying through one of the busiest air traffic spaces in
the world.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Oh so he could just also just crash into someone else.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So there is an added danger of a possible mid
air collision with another aircraft. Jesus Chief Stewart John Heward
now notices the chaos that's unfolding in the cockpit. How
could you not, he rushes, towards Ogden and the captain.
He puts his arm through the seat belt of one
(23:39):
of the spare seats, like the third spare seat behind
the captain's chair, and then he helps Ogden release Lancaster's
feet from the control handles that are pushing the plane down. Okay,
so together they were able to do that. Okay, So
once that's done, Atchison was able to gain full control
of the airplane. But in a genius move like this
(24:02):
blows my mind because you're in shock, you're diving, can't
breathe can't see, you can't hear. But he knows he's
smart enough to know that. He neither slows down nor
starts to level out the plane because he knows one
he needs to get out of the heavy air traffic
space as soon as possible, so he just keeps the
(24:24):
speed going down so he can leave the danger there.
And he needs to get to a safe elevation as
quickly as possible for literally everyone to be able to
breathe oxygen because they because he can't get too high. Yeah.
So at this point they were at seventeen thousand feet,
(24:44):
which is eleven thousand, wait, five thousand meters, sorry, So
seventeen thousand feet and they it only takes them two
and a half minutes to get to eleven thousand feet.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, okay, so they had to fly low so that
everyone doesn't suffocate.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, you have to get to like at least like
ten thousand feet is the safe like what elevation for
them to breathe without like oxygen. So that's why he's
continuing the like the really fast dive. So that's a lot. Yeah,
that's a lot of fast thinking. Oh yeah, you would
think like, oh my gosh, why isn't he like fixing
(25:26):
it right now? But he's like, no, no, no, I
need to take us to safer.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
That's a lot of things to consider all at once.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh my god, there's so many things in math and science.
I could never be a pilot. That seems like such
a stressful t I feel like you really have to
be one of the smartest people. It's just so much
really smart and really calm.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
And really level headed, which yikes, yikes, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Also, air traffic controllers, I can never be It takes
a special person, absolutely not. Could I ever be paid
enough to do that?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Like side point, but have you heard about all the
drama like, oh, which airport was it? It's one of ours,
of course. Well not in Orgon, sorry, but in the
US that they like lost. It's actually happened a couple
times recently because all of our equipment is very outdated,
which is just great for airplanes, but like in air
(26:15):
traffic control, one of no, two different airports have lost
all communications for at least like a minute, and it's
so traumatizing to the people working there that they like
literally can't work the rest.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Of the day. Yeah, because like there's like planes flying
in and you can't tell them what to do, and
then you're kind of responsible, like you can't communicate you
know that there's like hundreds of lives on board.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, and there's like, no, we don't have enough people
trained in air traffic control to like fill in these jobs.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
No, such a problem. Yeah, like for one person, they're
doing like a two to three person job.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Like yeah, and you have to train I think for
like at least like five years to be able to
do this job. And you have to go to the
special school and do all this like insane jobs.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Ten track of so many planes and elevations and like
the way they move, like these blocks around and it
looks way like wait, ancient times, like why isn't everything
con uterize? Yeah, yeah, it's like no wonder nobody signs
up for that job. It seems terrible. It seems like
the worst, and you know, we're just making it so
much better these days, Like how about we cut your funding? Also,
(27:26):
how about we fire most of you? Actually, but everyone
still flies? Was it Newark? Maybe that was the one. Ooh,
I don't know, but it's bad. It spat out there
in these in these parts in the US.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Maybe you should just drive for your trip. Where is
it again, California?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You can drive, I know, but seventeen hours compared to
two to three. Yeah, that's actually terrible. I don't know.
I don't know what the right answer is. I just
have to get, you know, drugs again. Make sure i'm calm. Yeah,
it'll be fine. You'll be fine. Everything's fine if you
take enough. Even if it goes dan, you won't know.
(28:02):
I just need to be Yeah, put to sleep a
hope for the best that I wake up. Yikes. Okay, okay,
we're the worst in the mouth. Why why do I
do this? Okay? So, yeah, once Atchison is able to
actually level out the plane and slow down. He's able
to slow down to one hundred and seventy miles per
(28:22):
hour or two seventy three kilometers per hour, and this
makes the body or the captain's body outside of the plane.
Oh I forgot, he's still out there. Oh yeah, by
the way, they're still holding on his body for dear life. Yeah,
so his body is actually no longer being pinned with
the pressure of the wind at that slow of speed,
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and so his body starts to slide down the side.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Oh but they're still hot, they're still yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So yeah, but and he's like frailing around like you
know inflatable two man, Yeah, with his arms up and
you know, hitting his head against the window and like
there's blood. It's not a pretty sight. So that's what
he's still dealing with. Okay, Yes, Another steward named Simon
(29:13):
Rogers comes to help and has to relieve Ogden's grip
on the captain because Ogden is starting to lose feeling
in his arm. He's aching and he's starting to get frostbitten.
Oh shit, because it's so cold. It's so cold, and
he's the first person to grab on to the captain Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Wow, it's a good thing. There was like a bunch
of strong dudes on board.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, a lot of dudes. I feel like you don't.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Well, I guess at least on the flights I've been on,
there wasn't a ton of male flight attendant.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I mean, also the adrenaline and just like that, the
sheer fear and true, I mean, have to hold on here,
women like lift cars off the kids. So I guess
I think it's a I think it's a real thing. Yeah,
that's true. Okay. So once the men were able to witness, like, okay,
so there's Lancaster's face through the side windows now that
(30:02):
he slipped to the side, and they at this point
believe that the captain is surely dead. His eyes were
wide open but not blinking, and like I said before,
there's still a lot of you know, splattered blood everywhere.
Oh god, oh god. The men briefly ponder if it
would actually be the best choice to let go of
(30:24):
his body. Oh no, but then you don't know if
he really is gone, Like what if he's not? But
also it's like such a slim chance for him to
survive that kind of exposure, and shit.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I can't imagine the agony of that decision, Like, oh,
I can't imagine. Right while you're still hold you want
to you have respect for that man, Like you don't
want to just out he's a human being.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah. And obviously they're their friends. Yeah, they know each other,
know whom personally. Yeah. However, copilot Adjason instructs them to
keep holding on not only as an act of compar ashion,
but this also prevents any further damage to the plane.
The body could literally be sucked into an engine, which
(31:07):
is the most horrific thing I can picture. Or he can,
you know, slam so hard into the wing that it
causes fatal wing damage. So like not okay, lose, lose,
So hold on to that man. Atchison is left to
operate the airplane systems completely by memory.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Oh, because you can't see or well, he.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Has no like charts, procedures, nothing, He has no captain
to speak to, like, he doesn't have anything to refer to.
So he's looking at these controls and is like, I
just have to remember how to work these. It's just
so the amount of stress this poor man, I can't
Seven minutes into the ordeal, Atchison is finally able to
(31:56):
hear and communicate with air traffic control for the first time. Wow,
think about how long seven minutes is I can and
you can't talk to anyone for help.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You're just panicking for seven Like seven minutes is a
long time to be panicking, and also just be thinking
about all the people on board and like and yourself.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yes, like I cannot handle that amount of pressure. No, okay,
So he's talking to air traffic Control. He asked if
it's possible to perform emergency landing at Gatwick Airport in London,
since he's more familiar with that airport also by memory,
like he's familiar with it, because you also need charts
for airports, like yeah, you have to know, you need
(32:37):
to know how long. It's crazy so much. But he
learns that Southampton Airport would be closer, even though he
has never landed at the airport before. Great also right,
So he's like, already, then that's fine, sure, as long
as you can confirm that I have a long enough runway,
(32:59):
and he's hoping that it would measure to two point
five thousand meters long and if that's the case, he'd
be happy. Air Traffic Control confirms negative. The longest Southampton
has is one point eight thousand meters long. Oh cool,
like a lot less, a lot less, a good significant
(33:19):
amount less. But all is clear for you to make
your landing. Just try it, good luck. No. Yeah, So,
like we've been freaking out before, there's so much math
and science and measurements and like every vailue, very variable
that you can think of that goes into calculating a
(33:41):
safe landing. Atchison is also worried about the plane being
overweight because they are still full of like jet fuel.
You would make a landing once you've gone through most
of the fuel. So now weight is a problem. Okay, yeah,
I wouldn't even have considered that. Yeah, it affects speed.
(34:03):
It affects like how you know, if it can stop
in time before you run off the runway, which is
also a problem. Oh that, it's probably why he wanted
a longer runway. Okay. Oh nah, Yeah, there's so many
bad things that can happen. Yeah, yes, okay, And specifically
with this air airplane, the BAC one eleven, that plane
(34:27):
is unable to dump any fuel for an emergency situation.
So some airplanes can apparently you can just dump fuel,
which is like not cool, but if it saves everyone
do it. But yeah, he doesn't even have that option,
so he can't get rid of anyway. Even he's just stuck.
He's just stuck with what he's got. Okay, yeah a
(34:48):
Justison has no choice but to be the bravest he's
ever been, bravest you've ever been, and every like it,
everything is working against him at this point, like literally
nothing helping him out. That man, he's having the worst day.
Mm hmm. Okay. Once the plane was at one point
(35:08):
five thousand feet for or four hundred and fifty seven meters,
Atchison finally has sight of the runway okay through the window.
Air traffic control asks if they can be any further assistance,
but Atchison says no, and now all is silent but
the rushing wind, and he breathes embraces for the most
(35:31):
challenging and stressful landing of his life, like you can
do nothing but like sitting wait, just nail biting those moments,
even as like a passenger, like you're holding your breath,
you're probably not making a sound, and you're just hoping
that it lands. Yeah, like what's it doesn't happen?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Like is like are they communicating like to the passengers.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Or I think there's the state of panic. Everyone's in
the state of panic. I think they kind of get
the gist that the captain's not okay, no, but yeah,
I think they're just trying to like brace and hold
on to their seating. Oh no, yeah, what can you do?
(36:17):
Like literally, that's why I hate airplane stories, because you
are literally you can't do anything. Yeah, there's nothing you can.
You are just putting sheer faith into life and pilots
and pilots and shit in science and engineering of airplanes.
Oh so many things. Okay. Yeah, so we can also
take a break here since everything's prekay it dead, So
(36:50):
we're about to land this motherfucker I'm not thank good, right, Okay,
So we're thirty five minutes in from the initial takeoff.
It's been over half an hour.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Oh wait, because it it happened like at least ten
minutes in, ten minutes in and like the whole like
the whole incident takes about like twenty twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
So yeah, thirty five minutes total, okay, which is also
really fast and slow at the same time. Yeah, so
it's eight to fifty five am and one of the
reasons why the story is so great is because Agison
performs the perfect landing. Oh at a boy of all time,
(37:35):
at a boy smooth is butter Wow, the cabin is
relieve with applause. I was gonna say, can you imagine
the cheers, just like the massive relief, the huge breath
you take after.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, I can't imagine how like amazing you would feel
after something like that.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
But also still in shock, like yeah, it would still
be out of body.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah you should just be processing that for the rest
of the day, but also with like a I think
I'd have like the biggest smile on my face, like
I live, I live.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I lived. Who That's wild, right, so wild? Yep? Okay. However,
at this point everyone's relieved, but Alistair Atchison, the co pilot,
the hero of them all. His body begins to shake
uncontrollably because he starts to cry and he's just so
overwhelmed in shock and disbelief and and the adrenaline come
(38:30):
down to oh crash hard and just like you did that,
you just did that, and all like you had no
time to even freak out about it until just now. Yeah,
Oh my god, I cannot that, poor man. Like, like you,
you are calm throughout the like you're freaking out in
the inside, but you literally have to be calm because
(38:51):
you're thinking about what needs to be done immediately. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, I can't. I can't even relate to that kind
of like adrenaline. But in some moments where I've had
to like be really calm in like really really stressful
situations that come down, it's just like.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
It's something else. It's Yeah, it takes life out of.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
You because I feel like your brain like slows time
down in those moments and then all of a sudden
time like speeds back up to.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Where your body catches up. Yeah, and it just like
freaks out.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
And he's probably thinking of all the things that could
have gone wrong. Oh, I mean obviously they did go wrong,
but like how it could have been worse.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean again, so many variables
and terrible things I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I hope you got all the metals and all the
awards and all the accolades. Uh, and some fucking tea.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Get him his damn morning tea.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Batman has earned his cup of tea with extra sugar
in it.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Extra cube of sugar. Please, he deserves an extra cube. Yes,
I guess I can quickly look that up because I
did not write it down. But of course there's awards. Okay,
so the landing, we've landed, emergency services surround the airplane immediately,
fire trucks or firefighters remove the captain's body from the
(40:11):
plane while all the passengers were evacuated away from the plane.
And that scene because oh no, imagine that scene too.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, so he was definitely gone.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well oh oh, actually, also why the reason this story's
best is Captain Timothy Lancaster sir by five.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Oh my god, it's so good they didn't let him
out of the plane, I know.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Can you imagine? Oh my gosh. Okay, he only suffers
some frostbite fractures in his right arm and wrist, and
the left thumb with bruising, and of course some shock.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Not even like a head injury. No, what right can
smacked around like a rag doll? It doesn't have a
head injury. That's wild steal skull steel, Yeah, I guess,
I guess Yoh.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Wow, it's insane that he didn't suffer for more. Yeah. Wow,
he literally was outside of a plane for twenty minutes
over in freezing temperatures, blasting air.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I don't know how he didn't suffocate. That's the other
thing I'm like, I.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Will also let you know, because that's also the coolest detail, okay,
because I'm just like, how the f do you breathe? Like? No,
I mean, I still don't understand because you're like unconscious,
but it happens. I mean, miracles, baby, miracles.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I guess people breathe sky diving, but you're also not
being propelled by a plane, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
And it's the force of the wind. Yeah right, face
it right anyways, Okay, let me get there, Okay, Okay,
so this guy survives, I know, right. The flight attendant,
Nigel Ogden, also walked away with some frostbite on his
face and arm and a dislocated shoulder. He also ends
up start suffering from PTSD. Yeah I bet they all did,
(42:03):
honestly everyone. Yeah, I'm sure the mental injuries are not
listed at minimum you all get PTSD like minimum, Yeah
for sure. So yeah, in this instance, everyone survives with
like literally no other further injury, Like those are the
only two people who get injured, the captain and the
flight attendant.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Okay, I can see why this is your favorite, because
I was like, wow, Shanna, that's kind of a fucked
up thing to say.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
I know, but now you understand, and this is the
best outcome.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Can say, a plane crashes your favorite, Like that sounds
so bad.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I'm surprised you didn't call me out in the moment.
I've always sounds so bad. I put my trust in you,
and I was gonna call you out if it got
really bad. But oh my god, I'm glad that we
got there. And yes, we all understand that I'm not
a psycho. Everyone lives, Okay, one lives, I know, right, Okay,
all right, So Lancaster describes and this is what's so
(43:01):
cool about that, like episode, you're you're hearing from the captain,
you're hearing from the flight attendants and some of the
passengers are talking about this experience and firsthand and it's
just amazing. And there's footage, the actual footage of them
like getting out of the plane and seeing them all injured,
and it's wild. Wow, it's it's it's so wild.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Can you imagine if there's like cockpit cameras, are there
cock camera.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
There should be are there more than just an audio recording.
There should be cameras, you think, yeah, but we also
have like trains from the eighteen hundreds, and we don't
care about updating anything. Apparently, God, he thinks the cameras.
It's interesting. It has to be now in updated models.
It has to be right. Huh, Well that's something up later, okay.
(43:51):
So yeah, So Captain Lance Castor describes that he does
have like conscious memory of the window blowing out, being
the feeling of being sucked out of the window, which
like you would never forget that feeling.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
No, but it must have happened so fast, too, oh
so fast.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
And but it's funny because in the episode of the
doc too, he's like, you know, I was outside of
the airplane, but that didn't bother me so much. I
couldn't breathe, Like about it, I know, like, just chill it.
You're outside of the fucking plane. He's like, that wasn't
even the worst part. I just wanted to breathe. So yeah,
(44:34):
at least, like okay, so he's conscious enough to where
he knows what's happening. He's outside of the plane and
he can't breathe. Oh my god, it was just disgusting. So,
like I was saying before, his face was against the
airflow and it was like hundreds of miles per hour
wind going up his face his nose. Yeah, like you're suffocating,
(44:56):
You're solidly suffocating. Yeah, So he knows consciously at that
moment that he tilts his head a certain way so
where he's looking at the tail end of the aircraft.
He remembers seeing the outside of the tail of the plane.
He remember seeing like the wing and the engine, Like
(45:18):
what that No one should be able to see while
the plane. No one should ever have that memory ever. No,
So he remembers turning his head to look away, so
he had pockets of air to be able to breathe. Wow,
And then his body goes unconscious, but is still able
to stay in that position. I guess, Yeah, how does
that work? I don't know, but.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Because I was like, how do you even keep up
the next strength with the wind pressure to do that?
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
But also I guess maybe the way he was flopping around,
he was able to get a breath in every now
and then.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
But yeah, that's intense. I can't even know. But he
did go unconscious. So yeah, after that, after that moment,
he's like okay, and then I have no memory until
I woke up in the hospital, which you know, thank god,
but like still because I mean, yeah, an ordeal. You
don't have much oxygen. It's over twenty minutes. You're freezing cold, yeah, which.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Is yeah, that's probably a good thing because I feel
like if you're awake, you would just be stressed out.
Who's holding under your legs? Like am I They're about
to slip? Or like right, you can't.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Like communicate no with your mouth. Okay, So the reason
why this all happens is upsetting. Oh, here we go,
so here we go, Like this is why I hate
this stuff. Someone forgot to screw something down. It always
(46:48):
goes okay. Yeah. So, according to the plane's maintenance log,
that same windscreen panel was replaced just the day before
this flight took place. Eighty four out of the ninety
screws to secure it were too small in diameter. Oh
(47:13):
my god, this made it too weak to withstand any
of the air pressure.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Who's quality checking these things? Like, it's literally the front
of the airplane. There should be something that has checked.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Like like so highly, like one hundred times before anything. Yep, yep, yep.
But it takes something like this for them to be like, huh,
we should like huh check that.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Maybe we should have like maybe two people check it exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yes, So investigators not only find out that the maintenance
worker not only worked on replacing the window in poor lighting,
and he did it without his prescription glasses. The fuck
he's like doing it by candlelight, like kind of yeah,
(48:04):
dim lighting, no glasses, let me go the most important
task of all time. Possibly It's like, oh, I can't
find my glass. It's fine, you know, I can just squint.
I can't. I know it. He's like, are these the screws?
I can't They're probably fine, Like yep, no, that's like
literally the thought process. He also failed to refer to
(48:27):
the the chart of like the screw sizes and like
which ones are mandatory for that specific model and window,
and he just decided to fucking eyeball it with blind confidence.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
I mean, honestly, it does sound like something I would do,
but not on an airplane.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Not on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
On a toy car, yeah, or like maybe some shelving,
but like right, this will do.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
But oh no, so just really not great. Probably didn't
keep his job. I don't. I hope not. I'm sorry.
That's a pretty big mess. Steak, that's a that's a
big one. Yeah, So it's not so after this, you know.
The solution is like you have two people check in
on this, you follow the procedures. Even if you fully
(49:17):
think you know it by hand, you still look it up.
It's just like you just don't risk it. You don't
motherfucking risk it. Duh. This is like people's lives at stake.
It's not just a casual few hundred lives at stake, well, families,
I guess I understand, like getting a little jaded or
just like if you're doing it for a long time,
(49:38):
for so long, sure, but also like I would be
so I would be so anal about following the rules
with that.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I would just I have too much anxiety to just
be that flippant about something like that. I would think
about it all day. Like I don't think I would
ever sleep again if I was like, wait, what if.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
You were any part of the variable of people dying?
I would never h no, sorry, no, no, no, we
say no okay. Some of the aftermath here. Nigel Ogden
returned to work eventually, but retired in two thousand and
(50:18):
one due to his PTSD. He was the one of
the flight. He was the flight attendant. Yeah, yes, fair, fair,
absolutely fair Alistair Atchison left British Airways shortly after the incident,
but moved to a different commercial airline. He ended up
retiring in twenty fifteen on his sixty fifth birthday. Okay,
(50:41):
so he did the thing. He just kept going, he
continued to fly. Wow. Yeah. But also he doesn't like
talking about the incident, like he's not interviewed in the episode,
and I think he's just like I can't relive that.
I get it, which also so fair. Yeah, yeah. Captain
Timothy Lancaster only took five months to fully recover from
(51:05):
this incident from being outside of a plane, and then
he's back in the cockpit and then he fully returns
to flying full time. He doesn't quit eventually, he retires
in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I wonder I wouldn't, well, Like, psychologically, I would think
the co pilot probably took the brunt of it, since
he had he was the conscious one.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yes, and you, yeah, you lived through that whole thing.
I mean the flight attendants too, and holding on the
body like yeah, so traumatic. God for everyone and everyone.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
It's so impressive that there any of them are able
to go back to their job. I don't know if
I could step foot in an airplane again.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, I'm not sure if all of them technically did,
but yeah, just the the pilot's is going back like
it's I mean, not like it's no no thing, but like, damn,
they just went back. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Wow, I wonder what the first flight back is.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Was like, Like also, yeah, that would be so out
of body as well, like, yeah, oh, last time I
was on a plane, I was on the outside of it.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, no, biggie, everything's fine. Wow, Wow, they're brave, y'y
proud of those kids.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Oh my gosh, that's so impressive. And I believe that
like every once in a while they still kind of
get together and meet up and kind of look through
like the paper headlines together of like their incident and
trauma bonding, trauma binding for sure. Yeah, Like, how do
you not also become like so close after that? Yeah
in a way, Yeah, so it looks like Yeah. First
Officer Alistair Ashison and some of the crew members also
(52:40):
Nigel Ogden, were awarded the Queen's Commendation for valuable service
in the air.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Oh did she actually I wonder if she actually like
bestowed it upon them?
Speaker 1 (52:51):
Good question. It says also that Atchison was awarded in
nineteen ninety two the Polarist Award for Outstanding Airmanship because
well deserved. Yeah, well deserved. Wow. And that's that's that story,
you guys. Wow. Well, and that's why it's my favorite.
I mean, I couldn't have ended better. I guess for
(53:15):
the outcome.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Yeah yeah, everyone lived, No one was like horribly injured.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah. Wow. Wow, that's a wild story. Oh my god,
isn't it crazy. I can't even believe that it's real.
It needs to be a movie, like I want to
watch it, like a lifetime movie about it. I wonder
if it is is it? Is there anything on the
bottom of this Wikipedia page.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Oh it would be a good place to check, wouldn't it.
Sometimes it says something about references. No, I guess not. Well, yeah,
maybe someone will make it someday.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Maybe it'll be me. Oh, good job, thank you.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Wow, that's a good one. I don't know how I
I didn't really know about that one.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
I thought you would have remembered it, but no, just
because it sounds so freaking crazy. But it is crazy.
I know, out of like all the airplane stories, they're
all so different, and this one was just like a
positive one. I know the majority of them are not
not like this at all. Don't end well, I had
to flip the switch a little bit. I appreciate that
and make it a happier one. I appreciate that. I
(54:16):
appreciate it too.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
We don't all have to leave today feeling really really sad.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, everything's still fine. Wow. Oh well, thank you for
doing that one. Oh my gosh, thank you for having
me do it. A great return. I hope people enjoy
that as much just I did it? All right? Should
we do the City of the week. Let's do it
(54:47):
all right? This week?
Speaker 2 (54:49):
It is New Baltimore and Michigan. Hello, hey guys, I
don't know if we've ever had in Michigan City of
the Week.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Oh, very cool.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
New Baltimore. I didn't know there was also a place
called New Baltimore. Is there an Old Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
We don't know anything about your state, but thank you
for listening.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
We are ignorant about geography.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Pretty sure you've had Grand Rapids as a haven't we. Well,
good for you.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
For knowing, well, you know, Michael has an encyclopedic memory
that I don't have, or I.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Just made it up. I don't know. Hey, shout out
to Grand Rapids, but also mostly New Baltimore. Oh, Michael
made an appearance.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
He's still here. He's there, He's there, he's here, He's
still alive.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Everyone.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Hey, Hi, we kept him around. Yay, So thank you
for listening. If you wanna also be the city of
the week, you just got a binge, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, on the weeks listening to our stuff. Yeah, I know, right,
we're trying again. Sorry, Okay, so what are you watching?
What are you doing? What are we listening and watching?
I okay.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Shauna is a big Severance fan, such a nerd about
it and I we finally started it, so I'm so
happy so we can finally talk about it. Our only
one episode and there's.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Still our only one episode. Oh my god, there's so
many more. I know.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
We really got to continue watching it. Well, okay, the
problem was that Conan Must Go came back.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Oh my gosh, I've been watching that too, so good.
I'm only two episodes in on that one. Well, they're
only doing three the last one they only did four.
That's not enough. Who does he think he is not
traveling to more places? That's not a full season of
anything because parents died. Oh okay, well you guys remember
when that happened. Now that's right? Are you serious? That's sad?
(56:41):
Oh nos? Right before? Okay, well he's okay, we love you.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
I read that by complaints and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Wow, but watch that show. It's great because we love
I do love Conin so much.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
He's it's a great show. It is so conde. Must
go and severance and severance.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
If you're not watching those, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (57:04):
And we also started Murder Bot, which has a Scars
Guard in it.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Oh, they're good at everything they do, the.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Tallest one murder alex Alexander, Alexander, Yeah, Scars Guard.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
It's pretty great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
I think there's only a couple of episodes out so far,
but it's been it's been fun.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
It's about a robot that murders. He hasn't murdered anyone yet,
he himself is the robot. Yeah. Wow, I bet he's
so good at it.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, he like plays this kind of social awkward yeah,
socially awkward robot, which is funny.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
He's funny. I think relatable to a robot. Right, isn't a.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Book or something you read? It probably books, So of
course Michael's going to be more critical because he's read
the book.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
So it's just like fresh eyes and like really having
a great time watching it. So I have nothing to
compare it to, but I think it's fun.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
I think adaptation of the books. Oh good, great, great recommendation.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
Sometimes they really suck at that. We remember Halo was
one that we were really disappointed by and then they
canceled it. So I guess everyone was disappointed. Sounds like it. Yeah,
So anyway, are you watching anything else?
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Yeah? Also, I'm still on It's on Apple TV Plus
or whatever. But after you watch Severance, I highly recommend
you watch the show Shrinking. Oh I've heard things. It
has Jason Siegel and Harrison Ford and it's also Chef's Kiss.
Like every episode is just so good.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
Okay, and it's funny, okay, because I'm like, oh, I
don't know, it seems really emotional.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
There's it's i mean, a dark subject ish, but it's
really funny. It's just too good. You love it. It's
compared to seference you don't even know what you're in
for for sefence. Okay, Oh good, your brain is gonna
be on a trip without having to do any drugs. Okay.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Well, also, we were watching Alone. I just can't get
enough of that show. I know, you never really was
survival show, yes, because okay, there was an Australia. There
was Australian season, which basically was Australia scary, you would think,
but they put them in a place where there's like
(59:12):
no predators, nothing really to hunt, and so basically it's
just like a game of Survivor, you eat, that's starving
who can starve the longest? And a woman won the season.
Sorry spoiler, but like I don't think a woman. I
don't remember a woman ever winning And I was just
really stoked by that. Proud of her, yeah, I was
like fuck yeah. And she had like a really fucking
(59:35):
brutal story and like so I was just very happy
for her. And now we're watching one about the Arctic Circle,
which is exactly the opposite. There's like bears, wolves, moose,
all the predators, everything's trying to eat you and murder you.
And I was just like, wow, what a difference when
you would think Australia would be.
Speaker 1 (59:52):
The I would definitely think Australia's.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, but it wasn't Scar So yeah, that's I'm currently
on the Arctic Circle and it's like now it's about
to get all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
So I'm like, wow, what, like I'll sign up for Yeah? Why?
I hope they're getting paid good money.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
And you know, what's the best thing to do while
you watch that show and watch people like really have
a terrible time and starve is to eat food just
tastes better when you're watching people really struggle.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Oh snap, Wow, what a variety of shows for people
to start watching because watch all those Wow. Yes, okay,
I think we've done our part, right, I think, so
we'll come back soon.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, I've I've got half an episode already written down,
so I'm gonna finish that and then yeah, we'll have
another one.
Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I'm gonna try to come back to you know that's
how this works. Yeah, okay, then uh oh what do
we say? Good up and good night? Embarrassing? I forgot
what we say? Alright. My sources today is Mayday Air
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