June 30, 2025 • 55 mins
Rose Tattoo's legendary frontman Angry Anderson is 77 years old and kicking ass. Eager to chat, the Aussie icon talks about if he's still angry, new music, retirement, bonding with Axl Rose, huntsman spiders, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, yes, is Appetite for Distortion?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We are rolling Gary?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Are we rolling Bob?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion? Episode What is?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
What's just just trivia?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Okay, trivia? First?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
What law? What? What line is that? Adult?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Let's see the line again.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Are we rolling Bob?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Are we rolling Bob?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
It just sounds like a line that you always that's
always used in the movies.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So what's it's?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
What?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Specifically?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's the than it self for recording?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
All right, I'm not We can keep guessing, but I
don't know what I'm not.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It's about Dylan recording?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Are we calling?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I'm thinking movies? Okay, my brain was in the complete
opposite end of the spectrum.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Anyway, just trivia.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Okay, did you see the new movie by the way,
his uh his biopic with Timothy Chalomey or whatever the
bob I am.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I am looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Okay, Well, welcome to the podcast, mister Gary Anderson. This
is an episode of five hundred fifty. Well where that's
a good place to start. Well, it is Gary in
uh on your zoom, So I get yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Not that that's it's just because I won't except remember
the first time I went to America.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
No, No, the first time I went to America.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I was in America some years after the band tour
there in the early eighties, and I was either there.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
About about mid.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
About the mid eighties, so maybe eighty five eighty six
filming I was doing it. I was working in television.
Then the band had folded up. After our eighty three
we came home and to write and record another album
to follow up on a scard, and Pete decided that.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
He didn't.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Want to go back and live, for all intents and purposes,
six to eight ten months of the year on a
bus during America, jumping from you know, tours to clubs
and working to establish, you know, a fan base and
(02:51):
a foothold. And that was the way it's always been
done and has tried, tested and true, and Pete found
that very daunting, the whole idea of of being I
suppose responsible to have to commit to that. Pete in
(03:17):
a sense was a romantic figure in the sense of
kind of like some of the the more sort of
legendary troop Adoor type American singers, insomuch that he saw
(03:39):
himself as very spontaneous and you know, he he just
I remember he was saying in those last few days
before he officially walked away, he.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Said, who knows what when any of.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Us are going to be doing in two or three
or four or five years, because when we sat down
with the people from Atlantic and they said, well, okay,
after the first tour, they were so excited about the band,
and they said, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
We can see you being sort of like the new
sort of.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Rolling Stones, sort of you know, outlaw band, you know,
with this exciting new look because in those days, it
was very very early days and there weren't too many
bands around with tattoos, and certainly not as many as.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We had, and I know now everyone has now.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
So we've had a very very positive impact on the
world in the fact that well we helped liberate people
into the world of ink. But yeah, when Pete left,
it left the rest of us at odds or what
do we do? And he said, well, you know, we
(05:09):
we'll get back together from time to time, which we've
done over the previous years, and we'll re call an album,
we'll go out and tour. But he saw it that way.
He didn't understand. Well, I think he did understand that
in America, there's a completely different way of doing it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You really do have.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
To because Australia is so sparsely populated even to this
day compared to its land size, because you know, something
over ten percent but less than twenty percent of the
of the well one hundred percent of the population lives
(05:49):
in less than twenty percent of the land.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
And that's where and that's where you're at right now,
right you're in Australia as where we're talking.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, yeah, I'm at home now, yeah yeah, So yeah,
when he left, it left the asides. Luckily enough, I
was it's a come out in the book, because I'm
writing a book at the moment, because it's I've got
to a point in my life where I think I
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can justify I'll be right, not memoirs, because.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Life's you know, not in its closing.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Stages as yet, although fairly close, I must say. I mean,
I'm getting sort of almost comfortable with the concept of
the fact that you know, in.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
A few years I'll be eighty years old.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
And but yeah, so I was working in television and
that that was a fantastic experience. But but yeah, that
will that will all come out in the book, but
television was an amazing experience for me, and I worked
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in television from eighty five until ninety six, ninety seven.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And anyway, I was, I was. I was over.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
In America at that working in a TV show, doing
a TV show.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And would you say doing a TV show, like, yeah,
were you making the music for it? I know you're
famous for that or are you acting? What were you
doing for a TV I.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Was the I was I suppose what you call the anchor.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I was the the main character.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
As it were.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I got my start in television. We won't go into
it in detail because it's a fely convoluted story.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I will save it from that one for the book.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, save for the book good marketing. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I was working with a couple of X prisoners, criminals
that had been in prison, and they got out and
started a program for to try to redirect juvenile offenders.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And I was given them a hand help and came
to the notice of television.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
So I got I was offered the role in television
on daytime television as a reporter for want of a
better word, more like a bridge like I bridged the
gap between television and the streets, so to speak and
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so that I was I was featured regularly on this
daytime like magazine like you pull that a talk show,
so sort of like had had a compare and lots
of different people came on, and you know, I did
everything from sort of talk about acting careers, or they
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were painters or they you know, they were sprewking a book.
But you know, it was like a magazine type show
and I had a regular spot on that. But yeah,
that don't led me then to do another show from
ninety to ninety.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Seven which was.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
At the six thirty seven thirty time slot, and that
that was a show called Challenge, and it used my then,
you know, I'd build up over five.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Or six years, a very.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Very strong following in television and it used so I
used to go out and there reason it was called Challenge,
it says it was Challenge Angry and people would would
write to the channel and say, look, you know we
want to raise you know, three million dollars for this,
(10:08):
you know, to build a ward in a hospital, you know,
for hospice. Actually one of the first things we did
for terminally ill cancer kids and it was somewhere for
them to go for the last where their families could
go move in with them, so we.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Built like, I mean, that's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
So you were known back then as when you were
a newscaster as Angry, right, So that's kind of how
we because that's how we were shot out of a
cannon right away, we're talking about it, and that's what
I kind of, you know, to try to formally introduce
you to because it's funny. As we were talking and
troubleshooting before this, I changed my name from Brandon to Brando,
(10:52):
so that's people know that. So that's why when I
was introducing you, is Gary Angry Anderson and they're kind
of just out of a cannon. So I guess where
is because you are clearly not angry, you are very friendly.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Where does that? Yeah, well, where does that come from?
Where does that come from?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Angry?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
He is more it's like the Brando. I mean, we
get that. That's an abbreviation. That's a very that's a
very an Australian, very Australian thing, you know. Like I
got a mate whose surname is Simmons, so he's he's
obviously when I say obviously in Australia, it's Simo.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
My close friends even short and angry.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
To ango anger. I like that anger right, yeah, so
I even said that with the accent ango.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Sorry, yeah, yeah, that's but that's what's out. I apologize.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
No, No, that's fine, that's right on the money there.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
So you know, we have a we have a way
in Australia, like just about you know, most of the
people I know haven't day And it derives from some
characteristic or or some observation made by your friends.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And then one of.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Them will give you But were you angry a nickname
as a kid? I was extremely yeahs. Again, it's all
in the book, but it's a very common story here
and most you know, like when I've done.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Interviews, and sure, I know it's a comic question, but
I just wanted to acknowledge just kind of how we
were shot out of a kind of a cannon here,
just by thing.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
What I did find when I went into therapy many
years later, the anger that a lot of kids feel
that manifests itself in adulthood.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It comes from childhood trauma.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Of our motivational traits, if you like that, help form
our personality come from childhood experiences, good, bad, or indifferent.
So as a survivor of pedophilia and domestic physical and
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emotional violence at the hands of my biological father. What
happens is that children tend to internalize for.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
The greater part those emotions.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Some kids are well, when you say, pardon me, fortunate enough,
some of them can externalize them. But they usually end
up being very irrational and very demonstrative as far as
their behavior. So these days, of course, they just put
(13:59):
them on pacify drugs. But in the old days, it
was it was just, you know, you were just a
bad kid, You were a naughty kid. You just you know,
you just misbehaved. You were you were irrational with your emotions.
You know, you would break things. And but if they
had to look further, which they do do now, I
(14:21):
found out it's childhood trauma. So in my in my case,
I did what the majority of people do, is that
I internalized it, and I pushed it down and or
held it in, and on the surface you wouldn't tell.
But then and then puberty comes along, and all of
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a sudden, there's this transformation. You know, you stop being
a child and you start being a young person or
a young adult or and and so.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
A lot of these feelings well up.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
And in my case, you know, I left school.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And I was channeling all my.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Emotional turmoil into music, which is why a lot of
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Musicians are are doing that.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
They are they have trauma in their childhood and because
pain is is.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
The great stimulator. It's it's it's one of the things
that we use. Two.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Uh. You know, a great art, art is created out
of pain, whether it be you know Leonardo da Vinci.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Or you know, or whether it be you know a
rock and artist.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
You usually draw on your painful experiences and you chattel
it out through your music.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And I was a very.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Demonstrative performer right from the get go, even though that
wasn't fashionable in my day.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I was quite.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Animated, and I moved around the stage and I.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Performed the songs.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I was the character in the song, so I let
my body express the emotions of the lyrics. And so
I become known as a very dramatic performer even before
it was fashionable. And a good friend of mine he
(16:53):
said to me once, you're pretty angry for a little bloke,
and so he nicknaming me the angry Aunt and.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Bought me.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Angry and is just too long, so of course it
was abbreviated angry, and I've been angry ever since.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Well, I appreciate you. I know you've shared that story before,
but I appreciate it because the way I you know,
I've talked about being in therapy as well. You know,
I've only recently kind of winded that down when I
had my son, but I was in there for you know,
ten to fifteen years early. I finally made the decision
in my late twenties and forty one now, and I
(17:39):
get it out a lot through radio and now oddly
enough through this podcast and talking to people like you.
And you know, you're an inspiration for somebody who does
have a traumatic childhood because you're right and as again,
I have my son now and trying to watch myself
because I have anger issues.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, I tell my wife, I'm like, can you please drive?
I have such a road rage.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
And I get that from my dad and I'm like,
I don't want him to see that, you know. So
these are things that you know I'm aware of. So
I appreciate you sharing that. And I was gonna jump
into it later, but I can't help it now. But
because it makes me think of Axel Rose and everything
that he's gone through.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And unfortunately horribly he shares a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Of the same experiences that you do. Is that something
that you ever and we'll talk about. Will change the
conversation to music, of course, and we're uplifting, But is
that something that he ever spoke to you about?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Basically what he what he said, and he's not alone,
but you know, he said to me, we do only
just meant and we were talking about he was very
and they've been very public in their acknowledgment of how
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much Rosie Tats influenced them in the early days in appearance.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Attitude, and he was the same.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
So we very quickly got talking about lyrics and he said, yeah,
he said, I I channeled a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
He said, we share.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
A common childhood, or we have a lot in common
with our childhood. And that was the first thing that
he ever said that allowed me to quickly glance behind
the door, so to speak, or through the crack.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
And so I.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Think it was his way of saying, he understood where
my lyrics came from, and he was I suppose reciprocally
he was sort of saying, well, now, you'll understand where
my lyrics come from. And we were talking about lyricists,
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and we talked about Bond, we talked about and he
asked me, said like, who were some of your early influences,
And I said, well, not so much for the lyrics,
the lyric itself.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
That, of course, at a very very early.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Age, I was exposed to American blues music, and so
some of those songs are so simplistically h explanations of
pain the love sort of basis. A lot of the
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early blues music is about men expressing their their pain
that they received at the hands of unfaithful.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Or women or women that you know were.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Drug addicts or whatever, or even just the fact that
they weren't able to complete have a complete life because
their life was given over.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
To the road.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
So they weren't actually complaining that, they were explaining how
lonely it can be.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
You know, when you were on the road.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
That's your job. You know, you were on the road, musician.
You went from town to town. A lot of those
early blues singers and that's common knowledge when you read
their books or read about them. But a lot of
them had to hitchhike to gigs and because they they
were in those days, of course, they were called negroid
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or negroes because they were what people referred to as black.
They had to jump trains to get from one city
to another, or they hitched, and this was to ply.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Their trade, you know, to work out there.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
But you know, I remember saying to acccellent one Sage
during this early conversation that a strong influence on me
was Bob Dylan, because I remember being struck by his
the way he structured lyrics, and he was able to
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do that because of the musical format that he chose,
which was well what became known as American folk music.
Hardon me, but again a derivative of black Man's Blues
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White fellas. In Bob Dylan's case, Woody Guthrie his main inspiration,
his main lyrical hero, but his main hero as far
as helped form his view of.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
The structure of America.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Of the you know, the the absurdities of your like.
Even back in those days, they were very political in
their observations, but they made their political observations from their
point of view, which was social obviously, and so they're
always sort of like looking up at the political structure
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in a sense. But I really loved the way that
Dylan not always understanding his his wonderful use esoterically of
the language and how he how he wrote quite deep
(24:15):
symbolism into his music, into his lyrics, but he used
that wonderful folk format which was so engaging, you know,
and that's so, you know, you listen to the melodies,
the lyrics, but the melodies in you know, some of
his most famous works that brought him to find to fame.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
You know, you know, the times are change.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
And you know the answer, my friend is blowing in
the wind. That's a wonderfully poetic line, but the simplistic
malady behind it is so that you know, like any
great song, anyone can sing.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
That blowing and the answer is blowing.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
And it's just like it's a song that belongs to
every man because it's written about Amen from Amen's point
of view, so it belongs and it does. And he
pointed that out to me as a young budding lyricists,
because I think one of the first things that with
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most of us is that you know, were drawing the
music because of its beauty, because of the wonderful structure
of it and how it does it uplifts us it
makes us feel.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Better about so much.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
And all the great successful musical acts do that is
somehow they elevate the soul.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
They lift people.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
From darkness into light, or they blow away the clouds
so that light can come through. You know, it's a
music is a wonderful healer. There so cliche because are
so true. So yeah, part of our early discussions were
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about those things, and I was then even though he hasn't,
never did, and he didn't need to, there was a
level of understanding that we enjoyed very much.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
From the beginning.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I always knew that he was just like myself. There
was a certain amount, a certain part of his soul
would always be living torment. Torment will always be. It's
always pulling and it's never at peace.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, no, I understand, And that was the what gravitated
me towards you know. As you know, it's a Guns
of Roses themed podcast, and it's not just because of
my favorite band. We talk about why uh, and it's
that anger, it's you know I have I don't have
that same childhood, but mine is deriv derive from other places.
But it's the kind of tie everything in together. And
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now it's kind of makes sense with the I'm like, oh,
Bob Dylan, interesting, you know why this this hard rock band.
But when you take a song like nice boys don't
play a rock and roll it's so simplistic.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And it spoke to me.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
It was this easy song that like everyone thought, I'm like,
I'm a nice kid. I'm a nice kid.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Oh no, I love rock and roll.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I hated being the nice boy. And then Guns of
Roses much like you were talking about all those black
artists before, and you're getting a history lesson.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
That's what I love.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I love about G and R, about the spaghetti incident,
about all the covers when I'm because I'm younger, uh,
learning the history. So that's how me I learned about
being a mata. About Rose Tattoo at that age was
nice boys played rock and roll? Wow, I really identify
with this song. Oh it's not Guns to Roses, it's
this other band, Rose Tattoo. They also have Rose in
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their name.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
What's there about?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Well, you know, so it's I remember these thoughts on
my head as a kid.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Do you remember?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I'm sure another question, like you've been asked a million
times when you heard about this little band, Guns of Roses,
covering Rose tattoo. They certainly weren't famous yet. Do you
do you what do you recall about hearing about this
band playing nice boys?
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Only that actually remember the actual incident, and I think
only a couple of them were actually involved, But apparently
we ran, we bumped into them, so to speak. It
was eighty two, I think it was eighty two. We
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were touring America with Aerosmith and they'd come to see
Aerosmith and it was a very very brief meeting. And
then they were emerging, you know, in the rock and
(29:18):
roll sort of fraternity, so to speak. You kind of
keep your you know, you've got your eyes and the
ears attuned to new stuff, and so, you know, the
name started to present itself or come come into you know,
your field division. And I remember being in America in
(29:46):
I was there writing. I was living in Los Angeles
the late eighties, and I wrote. I lived there for
ten months out of the year and wrote an album
called Blood from Stone with an American well he's English, actually,
(30:09):
but he went to America very very early in his career.
A guy called Mike Slaimer, wonderful guitar player, very cool songwriter,
and we wrote.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
An album there while I was living in.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Los Angeles Axles brother.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Actually this is a bit of trivia for you.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
The house that we had was kind of like a
halfway house for Australian musicians moving in and out of
Los Angeles, pardon me.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And at one stage Axel's brother.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Was knew one of the girls that was in the
house and American girl, and he needed somewhere to stay,
so he come and stayed for I don't know month,
six weeks and I told you.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
I told you this is a Baby Shark. I'm telling
you got to do a cover up. I've been wanting
to tweet this, so this is not just a thought.
They came to my head. I need a hard rock
version of Baby Shark to help me. Do you that
song that's so annoying? It would help my days go
faster because he's asking for Baby Shark, Baby Shark. Yeah,
(31:34):
we'll get Baby Shark, don't worry.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I am. What is that wonderful band?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Ronnie used to play with them Faster pussy Cat.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Sure that'd be.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
The ideal sort of band.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Oh yeah, but any.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Anyway, getting back to yeah, So it was it was
during that that stay Axel's brother came and lived in
the house.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So this is.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
And that's He said, oh, you know, my brother's a
huge fan blah blah blah. And I said, yeah, yeah,
we're aware of them. We're very very cool sort of
the way they're going about it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Blah blah blah. And we were able to.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Over that couple of months, they played a couple of
times in Los Angeles, some you know, like just shows.
I think one might have been The Whiskey. I think
they did one and another out in the suburbs, somewhere
(32:41):
in a hall. They did one which I vividly remember.
There was a band called Burning Tree on first, then
Faith No More, and then Guns and Roses.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
They were top of the bill.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
And there was about a thousand people there and it
was in a hall.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, so I got to see them play. They were
very back in those days. They were very.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
They were just developing the sort of songwriting that was
going to take them into you know, I eat a radio,
pardon me radio land play, so which course.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Broke them very very quickly.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
But yeah, those days, they were still rough around the
edges and they had that sort of you know, they
had that wonderful out to conquer the world attitude about them,
you know, which was fantastic. So we got to we
got to talk about it and they were very complimentary.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I mean, nice Boys.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Was the only song that they covered of ours that
made it onto a recording.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
They told they told us that, you know that that
covered in their sets in the over the years, in
their live sets that covered other Amans.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Songs to Okay, Uh, it's I love that and again
it's it shows the age, it shows the side of
the world that and it's when I learned about rose tattoo.
But through guns of roses? Does that amaze? Like? I
know this is again years later, but that's gotta feel
at that time. I guess was that surprising to you that?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I guess?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Let me backtrack, because here in America, I'm learning a
lot about Australian things. Australian TV I had no idea about.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I don't know if I'm outing myself because I have
a lot of Australian listeners. I guess I heard of neighbors.
I was a general I grew up. I grew up,
but I here in America, I grew up on General Hospital.
I knew of Lucy, I knew of Luke and Laura.
I didn't know of the the wedding that I didn't
even know who is It's one of your your listeners
or Scott Kylie Yeah, okay, it's Kylie.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Well Kylie played Charlie.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Okay, right right, So I mean I I just had
to backtrack and learn it's all the side of the world.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
So is it because you're just not here a lot?
Is it just? Is it really?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Like I guess it's another cliche question, is is America
really because another part of the world and that's maybe
doesn't get everything that Australia has to offer.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
I think once upon a time, I think once upon
a time that was true. I think now with everything
that's so accessible.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
There's a couple of there's a couple of.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Artists that America discovered that I was Australian. Mainly there's
two or three pop singers girls. I can't think of.
One's called tones.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I think.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
There's another woman over there now. They banned her song
or something and she released it on social media and
become a huge underground hit, which is as you understand,
if you have an underground hit or an indie hit
(36:29):
in America, we're talking about you know, millions.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Of these days views or shares or whatever.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Back in the day it used to be you know,
of course it was all relied on airplay and unit sold.
But yeah, America media has discovered like these a couple
of women.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
There's a couple of blokes too.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
There's a couple of boys, but they're more sort of
in the gay scene. One's predominantly a DJ, so he
DJ's doof parties, but he's also releases his own stuff,
right so, and it apparently he's huge in America. But here,
(37:24):
you know, they hardly spend any time back here at home.
They do come back to perform sometimes, but at festivals
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
But they're largely.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Famous in Australia because they were famous in America first,
but they're Australian.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
So yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
The thing about it was that once upon a time,
some of our best offerings musically never got past you know,
wild notoriety in America because they worked there for years,
they you know, to expose themselves and.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
But they never quite broke through.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
So back back in the day, particularly right up until
mid to late eighties, it was very difficult for an
Australian artists to get into into working through America to
build up and following. Some of the first bands to
do it were.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Well obviously a C d C. But that's an exception.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
But you know there's other bands, like in excess, there
was a band called Savage Garden.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
They were like a duo. Yeah, so they made it through.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
The Americans, the American market, and therefore the marketing business
uh finally realized, well, there's a lot of great talent
in Australia and there's as good as players, guitar players,
(39:17):
you know whatever, drummers, you know, great bands, musical bands.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
But there's some great.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Singer songwriters in Australia and great songs are written here.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
So you know, we got we started to get that.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Acceptance and also acknowledgement that we were turning out some
pretty shit out stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I love.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Was curious about your perception of how it has changed
in the earlier of your career now, and you're right,
it's with streaming and everything could happen. It's so easy
too for any artists all over the world. I have
friends that are married to Australians. One of the magic
one of them is actually going he's going back to
(40:06):
Australia this year. So he had a bail out of
seeing weird.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Al Yankovitch with me next summer. I'm next next month.
I'm upset.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I'm upstand with him. He's like, we have to go
to Australia. I got to keep the wife happy once
a year. I'm sorry he has to be during weird Al.
All right, but it's the two things that the two
main things that keep me from going to Australia. One
is the long, long trip one of these days, you know,
I want to take my son all over the world
and see a kangaroo live and all that. The others
(40:35):
are huntsman spiders. I'd be lying angry if I was
not kind of peeking above your head to see if
I'm like, is one just going to come out randomly? Sorry,
that's the America to me talking. You know, it's just so.
But I digress. I also don't want to lose this.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Just let me just clarify something.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I live.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I live on It is suburbia, but like I said,
it's a steep hill.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
When I look out the window, it's like jungle because
it's a it's a natural gorge. So it's thirty two
degrees steep, which is quite steep.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
So I'm surrounded.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
By bush because I'm in a I mean in a
gorge in between.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Two like it's just like a small ravine, and.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
There's a natural war when it rains, is a natural
water course runs down one of the boundaries. So suffice
to say, when it rains, my because of the.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
The proliferation of.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
I've got ferns in the background, I've got trees, I've
got all sorts of shrubs, et cetera. So there's a
spider here in predominantly in New South Wales, which is
far more dangerous and very prolific than much more prolific
(42:15):
than than a huntsman, and which is called a funnel whip.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I know they're dangerous. Technically, they're just huge, yes they are.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
They're about us.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
We've got them in the house that are that big,
and we've got them in the house all the time.
You hardly ever see them. There's just over behind me,
there's a bookcase. There's one that lives behind the bookcase
and he or she I think it's a she because
(42:49):
very quite large. Her abdomen is as big as fatter
to my thumb. But every now and again should come
out and they just eat bugs. They are big, I
got to say, and they they look the goods because
(43:10):
they're just they're quite, they're quite leggy. They've got very
very long legs. They move incredibly fast. But you hardly
ever see them because when they hear you coming, they hide. Okay,
but every now and again, like I was sitting here
at the desk, right, it's just a small room in
(43:32):
between the bigger rooms, and it's my office, you know,
it's where I work. So I was sitting here and
over in the corner there, if I look under the
under the desk, there's they don't make webs as in
(43:53):
you know, the intricate webs, They just they they make
webs that just trapped bucks. And if I look down
behind there, there's a whole lot of dead bugs. Okay,
so I know one lives over there. And I was
sitting here a couple of years ago, and I was typing,
(44:18):
well you know, my version of typing, and out the
corner of my eye I saw something move and I
just slowly turned around and there's there's a fixture there.
It's like a metal thing, and it's got.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Books in it. You know, you know those those sort
of spine backed books like.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Notebooks, spar abound notebook.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Yeah, so there's three or four of them in this bracket,
and yeah, this this big huntsman came out onto and
yeah she started to go up the window. And I
didn't do anything because I mean, you know, like I
know that they're harmless, although it isn't funny the way
(45:12):
things happen in nature. The toxicity of their venom is
quite dangerous.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
But they have such.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Small by apparatus pincers or like a little because they're
so small that they wouldn't be able to get them open.
They're they're great for bugs, whereas the funnel web, so
it's big, look up funnel webs.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
They're sort of big, black, ugly. They live outside.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Even though I don't like them, I watch a lot
of videos on YouTube about spiders and husband spiders, so
I am I am fascinated by you know, I joke
about the wildlife and the things that can kill you
in Australia.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
But I am fascinating. In one of these.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Years, I'll make that trip. Just got to stay healthy,
you know.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
And I would not I would not let spiders put
me off when it's a termy because yeah, it will
be a fascinating experience for you, because there's it depends
on how how much you get around.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Well, my wife likes to travel, and I also want
to be sure that I see roast tattoo on the road.
That's my segue. Are you still doing shows in Australia?
I know you, you and the band were sick, so
I don't know if anything kind of was disrupted.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
So can you give me an.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Update on I know you're we're talking off the air
over the flu. You're coughing it out. You're coughing it
out now, but how do you feel now? What's what's
coming up for the for the band?
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (46:47):
Well, we we're going to look at we've got. We've
wound down pretty much for the rest of the year.
We've got some gigs here and there, mainly festivals because
of getting on towards summer well spring.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
But we're working on new songs for a new album.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
So that's great.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
That's the first one in like twenty You know, you
have the new song right and the new video. But
so the new song is a hard road and the
video is pretty pretty sweet. So you are working on
a new album.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Can we expect that?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah? Yeah, we we were.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
We covered Hard Road on the previous album, which was
two thousand and nine. We wrote that, well, I wanted
to write an album with Mick before he died, because
we knew he was dying of cancer, and so we
(47:57):
we sat and wrote a bunch of songs and revived
some old songs, some old ideas and just freshened them up,
and we came up with that album.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
And then the year later, of course, he died. So yeah,
so we're.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
We're looking at doing some recording this year and the
Oldum will be out next year.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
And next year where the band will be fifty years old.
So at the end of the year we'll call it.
We'll call it quits at.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
The end of the year, oh wow, Okay, so.
Speaker 5 (48:42):
Yeah, because it'll be fifty years. New Year's Eve seventy six,
we take our birthday from the New Year's Eve into
New Year's Day, which is the first of seventies, and
(49:02):
so we'll do the same. We'll bow out next year.
The last Kid will do the New Year's Eve and
we'll finish our set in the early parts of the
first of nineteen seventy, nineteen twenty seven, twenty twenty seven,
(49:26):
because nineteen seventy seven we came off stage and declared
ourselves that was our birthday.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Okay, wow, So does that mean you're going to retire
or the bands is going to retire? Well, what are
you going to do after? Are you going to take it?
Speaker 5 (49:46):
I'm going to well, thank you. I've been nearly eighty
years old. I think it's time, obviously, But I've always
wanted to do a an R and B band just
to just to keep working. Based around the Early Faces.
(50:11):
Their their take on how they I think really beautifully
covered some of some of the classic R and B stuff.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
With that Faces treatment.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
They gave it quite a unique approach musically.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
When you think about my favorite band was.
Speaker 5 (50:34):
The Ronnie's and and Roddy, I think I think the
Faces those I've got all their albums obviously, but some
of my favorite music is that. But then again, Tamla Motown,
the real R and B soul if you like, That's
(50:56):
some of my favorite music. And so for the last
few year years of my performing as a performer. But
you know, I've been told for years I don't expect
the voice to last forever, and I don't, you know.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
But as long as it still works, lodon me.
Speaker 5 (51:19):
I'll still perform, but even though the tat's I'm gonna
wind up as a as a working back because these days,
apart from tours, the bulk of our works is weekends,
you know, so we played Friday Saturday, or we play
Friday Saturday Sunday. Your pardon me, it's very hard apart
(51:45):
from doing like summer tour runs, you know, like with
a six span bill, there's not much.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Touring left in Australia. I mean, you know, we toured
for years through Europe.
Speaker 5 (52:01):
And that sustained us for many, many years, because you too,
anywhere between sixteen.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
I mean the longest tour we did in Europe was
about ten twelve years ago. I think we did twelve
weeks through the summer period, you know, like June, July, August.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
But those days are over too, because economics being now,
everything's changing and economically it's now very hard. The viability
of putting a band on the road is really difficult
because it just doesn't make sense anymore. I mean, we
just love to play, so players are going to play
(52:41):
no matter what, you know, because we're all abdicted. But yeah,
so yeah, well I'll wind up I'll ended up just
doing an R and B band just around the pubs.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
You know, for you know tips, and you know, well,
I mean this is good stuff. I mean I don't
want to do the Swan song yet.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
But the fact that you have the book coming, the
new album and you're talking about an R and B band,
I mean, and you're wrapping up with Rose tattoo, I mean,
this is a lot to celebrate and to be happy about.
So this is a you're going, yeah, yeah, so this
is a this is good And there was part of
me that's like, oh, well that's the sadness. But wow,
let's not get there. This is a celebration. So I
(53:28):
don't want to keep you too long because you're you know,
you're getting over the flu of your coffin. I don't
know if you hear my son screaming in the back.
I want to do this again. I want to talk about,
you know, when we get closer to when the book
is out or with an album or so.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
I hope you will do this again.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
Angry really which and I'd be remiss because I got
to thank somebody because I do have a lot of
listeners in Australia and I'm very grateful. Francis who has
a podcast, the Bumping into that Sound podcast You've been again,
not his, he helped me set this up. You're somebody
who I've wanted to talk to for a long time.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Angry.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
I've been a fan of yours for her as soon
as I found out about you through Guns and Roses,
I've been a fan of yours. So this has been
an honor. And yeah, what's what's the what's the good
way to say goodbye in Australia, what's like the good way?
Speaker 2 (54:24):
What's a good cla?
Speaker 5 (54:25):
Well, my mother used to say, god rest us Aul.
You only say goodbye if you never intend to see
that person that got so you know, my mother was
a French Maurician, so she had a particular of wir
which was but in Australia we just quite We just
simply say see.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Ya all right, I see ya, So because.
Speaker 5 (54:50):
In its simplicity is like I'll see you again. So
the intention is to see one another again, like I'll
see ya.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
I'll see you.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Because I've really enjoyed this conversation, whether it's from Roll, Huntsman, Spiders,
Guns and Roses, I I love it all. You've been
you've been a trip and you know some of the
serious stuff. Uh so, I hope we get to do
this again. That does it, West episode for this appetite
for distortion?
Speaker 2 (55:19):
When will you see the next one? In the words of.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
Axl Rose concerning Chinese democracy, I don't know as soon
as the word, but you'll see it.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
Thanks to the lame ass security, I'm going home.
You know, yes, is Appetite for Distortion?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We are rolling Gary?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Are we rolling Bob?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion? Episode What is?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
What's just just trivia?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Okay, trivia? First?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
What law? What? What line is that? Adult?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Let's see the line again.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Are we rolling Bob?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Are we rolling Bob?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
It just sounds like a line that you always that's
always used in the movies.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So what's it's?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
What?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Specifically?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's the than it self for recording?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
All right, I'm not We can keep guessing, but I
don't know what I'm not.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It's about Dylan recording?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Are we calling?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I'm thinking movies? Okay, my brain was in the complete
opposite end of the spectrum.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Anyway, just trivia.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Okay, did you see the new movie by the way,
his uh his biopic with Timothy Chalomey or whatever the
bob I am.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I am looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Okay, Well, welcome to the podcast, mister Gary Anderson. This
is an episode of five hundred fifty. Well where that's
a good place to start. Well, it is Gary in
uh on your zoom, So I get yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Not that that's it's just because I won't except remember
the first time I went to America.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
No, No, the first time I went to America.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I was in America some years after the band tour
there in the early eighties, and I was either there.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
About about mid.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
About the mid eighties, so maybe eighty five eighty six
filming I was doing it. I was working in television.
Then the band had folded up. After our eighty three
we came home and to write and record another album
to follow up on a scard, and Pete decided that.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
He didn't.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Want to go back and live, for all intents and purposes,
six to eight ten months of the year on a
bus during America, jumping from you know, tours to clubs
and working to establish, you know, a fan base and
(02:51):
a foothold. And that was the way it's always been
done and has tried, tested and true, and Pete found
that very daunting, the whole idea of of being I
suppose responsible to have to commit to that. Pete in
(03:17):
a sense was a romantic figure in the sense of
kind of like some of the the more sort of
legendary troop Adoor type American singers, insomuch that he saw
(03:39):
himself as very spontaneous and you know, he he just
I remember he was saying in those last few days
before he officially walked away, he.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Said, who knows what when any of.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Us are going to be doing in two or three
or four or five years, because when we sat down
with the people from Atlantic and they said, well, okay,
after the first tour, they were so excited about the band,
and they said, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
We can see you being sort of like the new
sort of.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Rolling Stones, sort of you know, outlaw band, you know,
with this exciting new look because in those days, it
was very very early days and there weren't too many
bands around with tattoos, and certainly not as many as.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We had, and I know now everyone has now.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
So we've had a very very positive impact on the
world in the fact that well we helped liberate people
into the world of ink. But yeah, when Pete left,
it left the rest of us at odds or what
do we do? And he said, well, you know, we
(05:09):
we'll get back together from time to time, which we've
done over the previous years, and we'll re call an album,
we'll go out and tour. But he saw it that way.
He didn't understand. Well, I think he did understand that
in America, there's a completely different way of doing it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You really do have.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
To because Australia is so sparsely populated even to this
day compared to its land size, because you know, something
over ten percent but less than twenty percent of the
of the well one hundred percent of the population lives
(05:49):
in less than twenty percent of the land.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
And that's where and that's where you're at right now,
right you're in Australia as where we're talking.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, yeah, I'm at home now, yeah yeah, So yeah,
when he left, it left the asides. Luckily enough, I
was it's a come out in the book, because I'm
writing a book at the moment, because it's I've got
to a point in my life where I think I
(06:19):
can justify I'll be right, not memoirs, because.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Life's you know, not in its closing.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Stages as yet, although fairly close, I must say. I mean,
I'm getting sort of almost comfortable with the concept of
the fact that you know, in.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
A few years I'll be eighty years old.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
And but yeah, so I was working in television and
that that was a fantastic experience. But but yeah, that
will that will all come out in the book, but
television was an amazing experience for me, and I worked
(07:01):
in television from eighty five until ninety six, ninety seven.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And anyway, I was, I was. I was over.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
In America at that working in a TV show, doing
a TV show.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And would you say doing a TV show, like, yeah,
were you making the music for it? I know you're
famous for that or are you acting? What were you
doing for a TV I.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Was the I was I suppose what you call the anchor.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I was the the main character.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
As it were.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I got my start in television. We won't go into
it in detail because it's a fely convoluted story.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I will save it from that one for the book.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, save for the book good marketing. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I was working with a couple of X prisoners, criminals
that had been in prison, and they got out and
started a program for to try to redirect juvenile offenders.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And I was given them a hand help and came
to the notice of television.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
So I got I was offered the role in television
on daytime television as a reporter for want of a
better word, more like a bridge like I bridged the
gap between television and the streets, so to speak and
(08:51):
so that I was I was featured regularly on this
daytime like magazine like you pull that a talk show,
so sort of like had had a compare and lots
of different people came on, and you know, I did
everything from sort of talk about acting careers, or they
(09:14):
were painters or they you know, they were sprewking a book.
But you know, it was like a magazine type show
and I had a regular spot on that. But yeah,
that don't led me then to do another show from
ninety to ninety.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Seven which was.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
At the six thirty seven thirty time slot, and that
that was a show called Challenge, and it used my then,
you know, I'd build up over five.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Or six years, a very.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Very strong following in television and it used so I
used to go out and there reason it was called Challenge,
it says it was Challenge Angry and people would would
write to the channel and say, look, you know we
want to raise you know, three million dollars for this,
(10:08):
you know, to build a ward in a hospital, you know,
for hospice. Actually one of the first things we did
for terminally ill cancer kids and it was somewhere for
them to go for the last where their families could
go move in with them, so we.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Built like, I mean, that's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
So you were known back then as when you were
a newscaster as Angry, right, So that's kind of how
we because that's how we were shot out of a
cannon right away, we're talking about it, and that's what
I kind of, you know, to try to formally introduce
you to because it's funny. As we were talking and
troubleshooting before this, I changed my name from Brandon to Brando,
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so that's people know that. So that's why when I
was introducing you, is Gary Angry Anderson and they're kind
of just out of a cannon. So I guess where
is because you are clearly not angry, you are very friendly.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Where does that? Yeah, well, where does that come from?
Where does that come from?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Angry?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
He is more it's like the Brando. I mean, we
get that. That's an abbreviation. That's a very that's a
very an Australian, very Australian thing, you know. Like I
got a mate whose surname is Simmons, so he's he's
obviously when I say obviously in Australia, it's Simo.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
My close friends even short and angry.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
To ango anger. I like that anger right, yeah, so
I even said that with the accent ango.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Sorry, yeah, yeah, that's but that's what's out. I apologize.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
No, No, that's fine, that's right on the money there.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
So you know, we have a we have a way
in Australia, like just about you know, most of the
people I know haven't day And it derives from some
characteristic or or some observation made by your friends.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And then one of.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Them will give you But were you angry a nickname
as a kid? I was extremely yeahs. Again, it's all
in the book, but it's a very common story here
and most you know, like when I've done.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Interviews, and sure, I know it's a comic question, but
I just wanted to acknowledge just kind of how we
were shot out of a kind of a cannon here,
just by thing.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
What I did find when I went into therapy many
years later, the anger that a lot of kids feel
that manifests itself in adulthood.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It comes from childhood trauma.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Of our motivational traits, if you like that, help form
our personality come from childhood experiences, good, bad, or indifferent.
So as a survivor of pedophilia and domestic physical and
(13:22):
emotional violence at the hands of my biological father. What
happens is that children tend to internalize for.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
The greater part those emotions.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Some kids are well, when you say, pardon me, fortunate enough,
some of them can externalize them. But they usually end
up being very irrational and very demonstrative as far as
their behavior. So these days, of course, they just put
(13:59):
them on pacify drugs. But in the old days, it
was it was just, you know, you were just a
bad kid, You were a naughty kid. You just you know,
you just misbehaved. You were you were irrational with your emotions.
You know, you would break things. And but if they
had to look further, which they do do now, I
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found out it's childhood trauma. So in my in my case,
I did what the majority of people do, is that
I internalized it, and I pushed it down and or
held it in, and on the surface you wouldn't tell.
But then and then puberty comes along, and all of
(14:48):
a sudden, there's this transformation. You know, you stop being
a child and you start being a young person or
a young adult or and and so.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
A lot of these feelings well up.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
And in my case, you know, I left school.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And I was channeling all my.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Emotional turmoil into music, which is why a lot of
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Musicians are are doing that.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
They are they have trauma in their childhood and because
pain is is.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
The great stimulator. It's it's it's one of the things
that we use. Two.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Uh. You know, a great art, art is created out
of pain, whether it be you know Leonardo da Vinci.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Or you know, or whether it be you know a
rock and artist.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
You usually draw on your painful experiences and you chattel
it out through your music.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And I was a very.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Demonstrative performer right from the get go, even though that
wasn't fashionable in my day.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I was quite.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Animated, and I moved around the stage and I.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Performed the songs.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I was the character in the song, so I let
my body express the emotions of the lyrics. And so
I become known as a very dramatic performer even before
it was fashionable. And a good friend of mine he
(16:53):
said to me once, you're pretty angry for a little bloke,
and so he nicknaming me the angry Aunt and.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Bought me.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Angry and is just too long, so of course it
was abbreviated angry, and I've been angry ever since.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Well, I appreciate you. I know you've shared that story before,
but I appreciate it because the way I you know,
I've talked about being in therapy as well. You know,
I've only recently kind of winded that down when I
had my son, but I was in there for you know,
ten to fifteen years early. I finally made the decision
in my late twenties and forty one now, and I
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get it out a lot through radio and now oddly
enough through this podcast and talking to people like you.
And you know, you're an inspiration for somebody who does
have a traumatic childhood because you're right and as again,
I have my son now and trying to watch myself
because I have anger issues.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, I tell my wife, I'm like, can you please drive?
I have such a road rage.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
And I get that from my dad and I'm like,
I don't want him to see that, you know. So
these are things that you know I'm aware of. So
I appreciate you sharing that. And I was gonna jump
into it later, but I can't help it now. But
because it makes me think of Axel Rose and everything
that he's gone through.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And unfortunately horribly he shares a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Of the same experiences that you do. Is that something
that you ever and we'll talk about. Will change the
conversation to music, of course, and we're uplifting, But is
that something that he ever spoke to you about?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Basically what he what he said, and he's not alone,
but you know, he said to me, we do only
just meant and we were talking about he was very
and they've been very public in their acknowledgment of how
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much Rosie Tats influenced them in the early days in appearance.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Attitude, and he was the same.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
So we very quickly got talking about lyrics and he said, yeah,
he said, I I channeled a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
He said, we share.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
A common childhood, or we have a lot in common
with our childhood. And that was the first thing that
he ever said that allowed me to quickly glance behind
the door, so to speak, or through the crack.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
And so I.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Think it was his way of saying, he understood where
my lyrics came from, and he was I suppose reciprocally
he was sort of saying, well, now, you'll understand where
my lyrics come from. And we were talking about lyricists,
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and we talked about Bond, we talked about and he
asked me, said like, who were some of your early influences,
And I said, well, not so much for the lyrics,
the lyric itself.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
That, of course, at a very very early.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Age, I was exposed to American blues music, and so
some of those songs are so simplistically h explanations of
pain the love sort of basis. A lot of the
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early blues music is about men expressing their their pain
that they received at the hands of unfaithful.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Or women or women that you know were.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Drug addicts or whatever, or even just the fact that
they weren't able to complete have a complete life because
their life was given over.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
To the road.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
So they weren't actually complaining that, they were explaining how
lonely it can be.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
You know, when you were on the road.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
That's your job. You know, you were on the road, musician.
You went from town to town. A lot of those
early blues singers and that's common knowledge when you read
their books or read about them. But a lot of
them had to hitchhike to gigs and because they they
were in those days, of course, they were called negroid
(22:04):
or negroes because they were what people referred to as black.
They had to jump trains to get from one city
to another, or they hitched, and this was to ply.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Their trade, you know, to work out there.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
But you know, I remember saying to acccellent one Sage
during this early conversation that a strong influence on me
was Bob Dylan, because I remember being struck by his
the way he structured lyrics, and he was able to
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do that because of the musical format that he chose,
which was well what became known as American folk music.
Hardon me, but again a derivative of black Man's Blues
(23:10):
White fellas. In Bob Dylan's case, Woody Guthrie his main inspiration,
his main lyrical hero, but his main hero as far
as helped form his view of.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
The structure of America.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Of the you know, the the absurdities of your like.
Even back in those days, they were very political in
their observations, but they made their political observations from their
point of view, which was social obviously, and so they're
always sort of like looking up at the political structure
(23:54):
in a sense. But I really loved the way that
Dylan not always understanding his his wonderful use esoterically of
the language and how he how he wrote quite deep
(24:15):
symbolism into his music, into his lyrics, but he used
that wonderful folk format which was so engaging, you know,
and that's so, you know, you listen to the melodies,
the lyrics, but the melodies in you know, some of
his most famous works that brought him to find to fame.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
You know, you know, the times are change.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
And you know the answer, my friend is blowing in
the wind. That's a wonderfully poetic line, but the simplistic
malady behind it is so that you know, like any
great song, anyone can sing.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
That blowing and the answer is blowing.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
And it's just like it's a song that belongs to
every man because it's written about Amen from Amen's point
of view, so it belongs and it does. And he
pointed that out to me as a young budding lyricists,
because I think one of the first things that with
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most of us is that you know, were drawing the
music because of its beauty, because of the wonderful structure
of it and how it does it uplifts us it
makes us feel.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Better about so much.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
And all the great successful musical acts do that is
somehow they elevate the soul.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
They lift people.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
From darkness into light, or they blow away the clouds
so that light can come through. You know, it's a
music is a wonderful healer. There so cliche because are
so true. So yeah, part of our early discussions were
(26:17):
about those things, and I was then even though he hasn't,
never did, and he didn't need to, there was a
level of understanding that we enjoyed very much.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
From the beginning.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I always knew that he was just like myself. There
was a certain amount, a certain part of his soul
would always be living torment. Torment will always be. It's
always pulling and it's never at peace.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, no, I understand, And that was the what gravitated
me towards you know. As you know, it's a Guns
of Roses themed podcast, and it's not just because of
my favorite band. We talk about why uh, and it's
that anger, it's you know I have I don't have
that same childhood, but mine is deriv derive from other places.
But it's the kind of tie everything in together. And
(27:20):
now it's kind of makes sense with the I'm like, oh,
Bob Dylan, interesting, you know why this this hard rock band.
But when you take a song like nice boys don't
play a rock and roll it's so simplistic.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And it spoke to me.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
It was this easy song that like everyone thought, I'm like,
I'm a nice kid. I'm a nice kid.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Oh no, I love rock and roll.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I hated being the nice boy. And then Guns of
Roses much like you were talking about all those black
artists before, and you're getting a history lesson.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
That's what I love.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I love about G and R, about the spaghetti incident,
about all the covers when I'm because I'm younger, uh,
learning the history. So that's how me I learned about
being a mata. About Rose Tattoo at that age was
nice boys played rock and roll? Wow, I really identify
with this song. Oh it's not Guns to Roses, it's
this other band, Rose Tattoo. They also have Rose in
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their name.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
What's there about?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Well, you know, so it's I remember these thoughts on
my head as a kid.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Do you remember?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I'm sure another question, like you've been asked a million
times when you heard about this little band, Guns of Roses,
covering Rose tattoo. They certainly weren't famous yet. Do you
do you what do you recall about hearing about this
band playing nice boys?
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Only that actually remember the actual incident, and I think
only a couple of them were actually involved, But apparently
we ran, we bumped into them, so to speak. It
was eighty two, I think it was eighty two. We
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were touring America with Aerosmith and they'd come to see
Aerosmith and it was a very very brief meeting. And
then they were emerging, you know, in the rock and
(29:18):
roll sort of fraternity, so to speak. You kind of
keep your you know, you've got your eyes and the
ears attuned to new stuff, and so, you know, the
name started to present itself or come come into you know,
your field division. And I remember being in America in
(29:46):
I was there writing. I was living in Los Angeles
the late eighties, and I wrote. I lived there for
ten months out of the year and wrote an album
called Blood from Stone with an American well he's English, actually,
(30:09):
but he went to America very very early in his career.
A guy called Mike Slaimer, wonderful guitar player, very cool songwriter,
and we wrote.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
An album there while I was living in.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Los Angeles Axles brother.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Actually this is a bit of trivia for you.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
The house that we had was kind of like a
halfway house for Australian musicians moving in and out of
Los Angeles, pardon me.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And at one stage Axel's brother.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Was knew one of the girls that was in the
house and American girl, and he needed somewhere to stay,
so he come and stayed for I don't know month,
six weeks and I told you.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
I told you this is a Baby Shark. I'm telling
you got to do a cover up. I've been wanting
to tweet this, so this is not just a thought.
They came to my head. I need a hard rock
version of Baby Shark to help me. Do you that
song that's so annoying? It would help my days go
faster because he's asking for Baby Shark, Baby Shark. Yeah,
(31:34):
we'll get Baby Shark, don't worry.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I am. What is that wonderful band?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Ronnie used to play with them Faster pussy Cat.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Sure that'd be.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
The ideal sort of band.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Oh yeah, but any.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Anyway, getting back to yeah, So it was it was
during that that stay Axel's brother came and lived in
the house.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So this is.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
And that's He said, oh, you know, my brother's a
huge fan blah blah blah. And I said, yeah, yeah,
we're aware of them. We're very very cool sort of
the way they're going about it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Blah blah blah. And we were able to.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Over that couple of months, they played a couple of
times in Los Angeles, some you know, like just shows.
I think one might have been The Whiskey. I think
they did one and another out in the suburbs, somewhere
(32:41):
in a hall. They did one which I vividly remember.
There was a band called Burning Tree on first, then
Faith No More, and then Guns and Roses.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
They were top of the bill.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
And there was about a thousand people there and it
was in a hall.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, so I got to see them play. They were
very back in those days. They were very.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
They were just developing the sort of songwriting that was
going to take them into you know, I eat a radio,
pardon me radio land play, so which course.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Broke them very very quickly.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
But yeah, those days, they were still rough around the
edges and they had that sort of you know, they
had that wonderful out to conquer the world attitude about them,
you know, which was fantastic. So we got to we
got to talk about it and they were very complimentary.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I mean, nice Boys.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Was the only song that they covered of ours that
made it onto a recording.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
They told they told us that, you know that that
covered in their sets in the over the years, in
their live sets that covered other Amans.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Songs to Okay, Uh, it's I love that and again
it's it shows the age, it shows the side of
the world that and it's when I learned about rose tattoo.
But through guns of roses? Does that amaze? Like? I
know this is again years later, but that's gotta feel
at that time. I guess was that surprising to you that?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I guess?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Let me backtrack, because here in America, I'm learning a
lot about Australian things. Australian TV I had no idea about.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I don't know if I'm outing myself because I have
a lot of Australian listeners. I guess I heard of neighbors.
I was a general I grew up. I grew up,
but I here in America, I grew up on General Hospital.
I knew of Lucy, I knew of Luke and Laura.
I didn't know of the the wedding that I didn't
even know who is It's one of your your listeners
or Scott Kylie Yeah, okay, it's Kylie.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Well Kylie played Charlie.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Okay, right right, So I mean I I just had
to backtrack and learn it's all the side of the world.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
So is it because you're just not here a lot?
Is it just? Is it really?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Like I guess it's another cliche question, is is America
really because another part of the world and that's maybe
doesn't get everything that Australia has to offer.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
I think once upon a time, I think once upon
a time that was true. I think now with everything
that's so accessible.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
There's a couple of there's a couple of.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Artists that America discovered that I was Australian. Mainly there's
two or three pop singers girls. I can't think of.
One's called tones.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I think.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
There's another woman over there now. They banned her song
or something and she released it on social media and
become a huge underground hit, which is as you understand,
if you have an underground hit or an indie hit
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in America, we're talking about you know, millions.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Of these days views or shares or whatever.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Back in the day it used to be you know,
of course it was all relied on airplay and unit sold.
But yeah, America media has discovered like these a couple
of women.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
There's a couple of blokes too.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
There's a couple of boys, but they're more sort of
in the gay scene. One's predominantly a DJ, so he
DJ's doof parties, but he's also releases his own stuff,
right so, and it apparently he's huge in America. But here,
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you know, they hardly spend any time back here at home.
They do come back to perform sometimes, but at festivals
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
But they're largely.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Famous in Australia because they were famous in America first,
but they're Australian.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
So yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
The thing about it was that once upon a time,
some of our best offerings musically never got past you know,
wild notoriety in America because they worked there for years,
they you know, to expose themselves and.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
But they never quite broke through.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
So back back in the day, particularly right up until
mid to late eighties, it was very difficult for an
Australian artists to get into into working through America to
build up and following. Some of the first bands to
do it were.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Well obviously a C d C. But that's an exception.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
But you know there's other bands, like in excess, there
was a band called Savage Garden.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
They were like a duo. Yeah, so they made it through.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
The Americans, the American market, and therefore the marketing business
uh finally realized, well, there's a lot of great talent
in Australia and there's as good as players, guitar players,
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you know whatever, drummers, you know, great bands, musical bands.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
But there's some great.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Singer songwriters in Australia and great songs are written here.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
So you know, we got we started to get that.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Acceptance and also acknowledgement that we were turning out some
pretty shit out stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I love.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Was curious about your perception of how it has changed
in the earlier of your career now, and you're right,
it's with streaming and everything could happen. It's so easy
too for any artists all over the world. I have
friends that are married to Australians. One of the magic
one of them is actually going he's going back to
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Australia this year. So he had a bail out of
seeing weird.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Al Yankovitch with me next summer. I'm next next month.
I'm upset.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I'm upstand with him. He's like, we have to go
to Australia. I got to keep the wife happy once
a year. I'm sorry he has to be during weird Al.
All right, but it's the two things that the two
main things that keep me from going to Australia. One
is the long, long trip one of these days, you know,
I want to take my son all over the world
and see a kangaroo live and all that. The others
(40:35):
are huntsman spiders. I'd be lying angry if I was
not kind of peeking above your head to see if
I'm like, is one just going to come out randomly? Sorry,
that's the America to me talking. You know, it's just so.
But I digress. I also don't want to lose this.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Just let me just clarify something.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I live.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I live on It is suburbia, but like I said,
it's a steep hill.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
When I look out the window, it's like jungle because
it's a it's a natural gorge. So it's thirty two
degrees steep, which is quite steep.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
So I'm surrounded.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
By bush because I'm in a I mean in a
gorge in between.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Two like it's just like a small ravine, and.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
There's a natural war when it rains, is a natural
water course runs down one of the boundaries. So suffice
to say, when it rains, my because of the.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
The proliferation of.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
I've got ferns in the background, I've got trees, I've
got all sorts of shrubs, et cetera. So there's a
spider here in predominantly in New South Wales, which is
far more dangerous and very prolific than much more prolific
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than than a huntsman, and which is called a funnel whip.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I know they're dangerous. Technically, they're just huge, yes they are.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
They're about us.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
We've got them in the house that are that big,
and we've got them in the house all the time.
You hardly ever see them. There's just over behind me,
there's a bookcase. There's one that lives behind the bookcase
and he or she I think it's a she because
(42:49):
very quite large. Her abdomen is as big as fatter
to my thumb. But every now and again should come
out and they just eat bugs. They are big, I
got to say, and they they look the goods because
(43:10):
they're just they're quite, they're quite leggy. They've got very
very long legs. They move incredibly fast. But you hardly
ever see them because when they hear you coming, they hide. Okay,
but every now and again, like I was sitting here
at the desk, right, it's just a small room in
(43:32):
between the bigger rooms, and it's my office, you know,
it's where I work. So I was sitting here and
over in the corner there, if I look under the
under the desk, there's they don't make webs as in
(43:53):
you know, the intricate webs, They just they they make
webs that just trapped bucks. And if I look down
behind there, there's a whole lot of dead bugs. Okay,
so I know one lives over there. And I was
sitting here a couple of years ago, and I was typing,
(44:18):
well you know, my version of typing, and out the
corner of my eye I saw something move and I
just slowly turned around and there's there's a fixture there.
It's like a metal thing, and it's got.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Books in it. You know, you know those those sort
of spine backed books like.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Notebooks, spar abound notebook.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Yeah, so there's three or four of them in this bracket,
and yeah, this this big huntsman came out onto and
yeah she started to go up the window. And I
didn't do anything because I mean, you know, like I
know that they're harmless, although it isn't funny the way
(45:12):
things happen in nature. The toxicity of their venom is
quite dangerous.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
But they have such.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Small by apparatus pincers or like a little because they're
so small that they wouldn't be able to get them open.
They're they're great for bugs, whereas the funnel web, so
it's big, look up funnel webs.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
They're sort of big, black, ugly. They live outside.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Even though I don't like them, I watch a lot
of videos on YouTube about spiders and husband spiders, so
I am I am fascinated by you know, I joke
about the wildlife and the things that can kill you
in Australia.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
But I am fascinating. In one of these.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Years, I'll make that trip. Just got to stay healthy,
you know.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
And I would not I would not let spiders put
me off when it's a termy because yeah, it will
be a fascinating experience for you, because there's it depends
on how how much you get around.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Well, my wife likes to travel, and I also want
to be sure that I see roast tattoo on the road.
That's my segue. Are you still doing shows in Australia?
I know you, you and the band were sick, so
I don't know if anything kind of was disrupted.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
So can you give me an.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Update on I know you're we're talking off the air
over the flu. You're coughing it out. You're coughing it
out now, but how do you feel now? What's what's
coming up for the for the band?
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (46:47):
Well, we we're going to look at we've got. We've
wound down pretty much for the rest of the year.
We've got some gigs here and there, mainly festivals because
of getting on towards summer well spring.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
But we're working on new songs for a new album.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
So that's great.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
That's the first one in like twenty You know, you
have the new song right and the new video. But
so the new song is a hard road and the
video is pretty pretty sweet. So you are working on
a new album.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Can we expect that?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah? Yeah, we we were.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
We covered Hard Road on the previous album, which was
two thousand and nine. We wrote that, well, I wanted
to write an album with Mick before he died, because
we knew he was dying of cancer, and so we
(47:57):
we sat and wrote a bunch of songs and revived
some old songs, some old ideas and just freshened them up,
and we came up with that album.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
And then the year later, of course, he died. So yeah,
so we're.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
We're looking at doing some recording this year and the
Oldum will be out next year.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
And next year where the band will be fifty years old.
So at the end of the year we'll call it.
We'll call it quits at.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
The end of the year, oh wow, Okay, so.
Speaker 5 (48:42):
Yeah, because it'll be fifty years. New Year's Eve seventy six,
we take our birthday from the New Year's Eve into
New Year's Day, which is the first of seventies, and
(49:02):
so we'll do the same. We'll bow out next year.
The last Kid will do the New Year's Eve and
we'll finish our set in the early parts of the
first of nineteen seventy, nineteen twenty seven, twenty twenty seven,
(49:26):
because nineteen seventy seven we came off stage and declared
ourselves that was our birthday.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Okay, wow, So does that mean you're going to retire
or the bands is going to retire? Well, what are
you going to do after? Are you going to take it?
Speaker 5 (49:46):
I'm going to well, thank you. I've been nearly eighty
years old. I think it's time, obviously, But I've always
wanted to do a an R and B band just
to just to keep working. Based around the Early Faces.
(50:11):
Their their take on how they I think really beautifully
covered some of some of the classic R and B stuff.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
With that Faces treatment.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
They gave it quite a unique approach musically.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
When you think about my favorite band was.
Speaker 5 (50:34):
The Ronnie's and and Roddy, I think I think the
Faces those I've got all their albums obviously, but some
of my favorite music is that. But then again, Tamla Motown,
the real R and B soul if you like, That's
(50:56):
some of my favorite music. And so for the last
few year years of my performing as a performer. But
you know, I've been told for years I don't expect
the voice to last forever, and I don't, you know.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
But as long as it still works, lodon me.
Speaker 5 (51:19):
I'll still perform, but even though the tat's I'm gonna
wind up as a as a working back because these days,
apart from tours, the bulk of our works is weekends,
you know, so we played Friday Saturday, or we play
Friday Saturday Sunday. Your pardon me, it's very hard apart
(51:45):
from doing like summer tour runs, you know, like with
a six span bill, there's not much.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Touring left in Australia. I mean, you know, we toured
for years through Europe.
Speaker 5 (52:01):
And that sustained us for many, many years, because you too,
anywhere between sixteen.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
I mean the longest tour we did in Europe was
about ten twelve years ago. I think we did twelve
weeks through the summer period, you know, like June, July, August.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
But those days are over too, because economics being now,
everything's changing and economically it's now very hard. The viability
of putting a band on the road is really difficult
because it just doesn't make sense anymore. I mean, we
just love to play, so players are going to play
(52:41):
no matter what, you know, because we're all abdicted. But yeah,
so yeah, well I'll wind up I'll ended up just
doing an R and B band just around the pubs.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
You know, for you know tips, and you know, well,
I mean this is good stuff. I mean I don't
want to do the Swan song yet.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
But the fact that you have the book coming, the
new album and you're talking about an R and B band,
I mean, and you're wrapping up with Rose tattoo, I mean,
this is a lot to celebrate and to be happy about.
So this is a you're going, yeah, yeah, so this
is a this is good And there was part of
me that's like, oh, well that's the sadness. But wow,
let's not get there. This is a celebration. So I
(53:28):
don't want to keep you too long because you're you know,
you're getting over the flu of your coffin. I don't
know if you hear my son screaming in the back.
I want to do this again. I want to talk about,
you know, when we get closer to when the book
is out or with an album or so.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
I hope you will do this again.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
Angry really which and I'd be remiss because I got
to thank somebody because I do have a lot of
listeners in Australia and I'm very grateful. Francis who has
a podcast, the Bumping into that Sound podcast You've been again,
not his, he helped me set this up. You're somebody
who I've wanted to talk to for a long time.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Angry.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
I've been a fan of yours for her as soon
as I found out about you through Guns and Roses,
I've been a fan of yours. So this has been
an honor. And yeah, what's what's the what's the good
way to say goodbye in Australia, what's like the good way?
Speaker 2 (54:24):
What's a good cla?
Speaker 5 (54:25):
Well, my mother used to say, god rest us Aul.
You only say goodbye if you never intend to see
that person that got so you know, my mother was
a French Maurician, so she had a particular of wir
which was but in Australia we just quite We just
simply say see.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Ya all right, I see ya, So because.
Speaker 5 (54:50):
In its simplicity is like I'll see you again. So
the intention is to see one another again, like I'll
see ya.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
I'll see you.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Because I've really enjoyed this conversation, whether it's from Roll, Huntsman, Spiders,
Guns and Roses, I I love it all. You've been
you've been a trip and you know some of the
serious stuff. Uh so, I hope we get to do
this again. That does it, West episode for this appetite
for distortion?
Speaker 2 (55:19):
When will you see the next one? In the words of.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
Axl Rose concerning Chinese democracy, I don't know as soon
as the word, but you'll see it.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
Thanks to the lame ass security, I'm going home.
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