October 24, 2025 • 23 mins
CKY are back with their first new single in 7 years, "Can't Stop Running." Band co-founder and drummer Jess Margera returns to the podcast to talk new music, balancing tour life with fatherhood, thoughts on Axl's recent inner-ear monitor drama, and more stories from the infamous 2002 tour with Guns N' Roses.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you're in your monitor, mix is a mess. It's
so hard to play.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite four Distortion. My name is Brando.
Episode number five hundred and thirty seven. Welcome back to
the podcast from Cky, Jess Margera. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Thanks for having me back. I'm doing good right on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I like this the Cky hat mat I might need
to I'm assuming that's on. I don't need to be
a shill right away, but I mean I get to
get that on the website. That's that's a nice one.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we played a festival a little bit ago, and
this is the first time I saw this new logo
truck around. I was like, I need one of those.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh, I love it. I'm sure a lot of things
are new, and we're going to get into some of
you may remember Jess was not about like a year ago,
like one hundred episodes ago almost, which sounds crazy four
forty eight if you want to look it up, because
he told some great guns n' Roses store about the
riot and everything. But we'll get into more about that later.
But let's let's focus on the new. Well we can.
(01:06):
I can't stop and running is as my mind is running.
It's been how many years since the last Ky song man?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's a good question. Our last album was twenty seventeen,
I want to say, and then we did a EP
twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and yeah that was the last thing.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Sure, So why the way? I guess that's just the
first question. What took so long? And what's the it's
it's it's an awesome single streaming right now. You can
listen to her anywhere, you know, thanks from YouTube to Spotify,
all these places. You'll listen to anything these days. But
is it more to come? Just what was the motivation
behind the single of you know, Can't Stop Ruching?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah? Honestly, you know, the COVID thing, uh is kind
of what took so long?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Still affecting us?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, definitely, And yeah we had to cancel a bunch
of tours and we planned on getting right back into
the studio and then you know, I think like close
to two years went by before I saw Chad again.
Oh wow, Yeah, he moved to Nashville and I'm still
in Pennsylvania. So yeah, finally he just showed up. He
(02:20):
flew up to Pennsylvania armed with like I want to say,
like a hundred songs. Like during the pandemic, he wrote
a song every day, so there was like almost too much.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know, that's a good problem to have.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, it got to the point where it's like he's like,
just pick a day, dude. You know, It's like, I
don't know May tenth, and then we would just work
on May tenth right on.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, So when did you start working on on this song?
I mean you don't have to remember specific dates or anything,
but how long did it take for this new single
to come out? And what's coming? What's the next step
after that?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So out of the one hundred songs, I probably put
drums on about twenty of them. So yeah, we got
a lot more to come soon. But yeah, it seems
like releasing it a song at a time is the
way to do it these days. Everybody's got so much
add me including so it's tricky to sit down and
(03:27):
listen to a record for forty minutes, you know, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Like what I mean, what happened to us as a society.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I'm so busy, you know, I'm running around constantly, like
I said, all day, I'm uber for four kids, So.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I love that, so I was kind of kind of
parlaysn't to my next question, and it's what else is
taking up the time? And I guess being a dad?
And I told you off the air, my listeners know
my his real name is Harrison Rex on air name
Baby Brownstone, who's gonna be too two and a half
long hair. I finally taught him to do rock and roll.
That's what I told him. That the horns, So I,
(04:08):
you know, I only have one. You've got four, So
how do you manage that? And being, for lack of
a better term, a rock star, is that an easy balance?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, it sucks when you
go on tour because you're just gone for like three
weeks a month or whatever it is. But it's cool
when you're home. You're home, you know, so I get
I get to drive them all around to everything. They're
they're busier than I am. But yeah, I got two
in college now.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's crazy, man, So my god, I don't even want
to think about that again. Like two and a half
and we think he's growing up, growing up too fast. Yeah,
so that's cool. And then to bring it back to
I guess, uh, well, you know, let's live there in
a moment. Do you how do your kids look at
you as far as like, because I wonder about that
because I want to make my son like a co host.
(04:58):
I'm like, is he inna hate radio? Or is he
gonna think I'm a loser? Like what do your kids
think of you? Do they look at you as, Hey,
my dad's just a drummer and a big deal. They're like,
oh wow, sometimes people want his autograph or take a picture,
and people are thousands people.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, they kind of never understood that part of it
when we're out somewhere and they're like, what was that about?
You know, But it's like now that they're in college
and stuff and their friends like c ky, so that
made it cool.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Now okay, right on, And my.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Son's really in the video games. So you know that
latest Tony Hawk thing that came out, I got some
cool points for that, I guess.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, no, if any of the Tony Hawk you knows music.
I mean that's how we spoke out last time, whether
it's through video games or through Jackass. How initially learned
about you, and of course with me being a GNR fan,
learning even more and becoming a fan which is just
so cool to go back to one of.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
My favorite bands I'm still into this day. I learned
about through Beavis and Butthead. Right, yeah, Ween Clutch, I
mean a ton.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Of them because they used to play great music, even
though they would make fun of it. I mean, yes,
they would play obviously the silly, stupid videos, but they
would play the metal Like where else would you see
a typo? But yeah, you know, like Cannibal Corpse.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Tara Slayer, you know, like MTV wasn't really playing Slayer
Pantera back in the day. I guess they eventually did.
But yeah, I feel like Beavis and Butthead like broke
a lot of music like that primus Ween Clutch, like
I mentioned, Yeah, yeah, uh like Ween definitely is one
(06:48):
of my favorite bands. And they got murdered on Beavis
and But it's like I like this.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I know that's it's it's definitely a special like you
understand I think would be. But when they're making fun
of a winger versus okay, you know they're just being
a characters, and you know this is a good tie
in for a few things. Conversation with you, Uh, where
you're going soon? You're going to tour in the UK. Yeah,
that's where MTV is being shut down, you know, finally
(07:17):
the music channel. Yeah, it's been announced the music channels
are being shut down. So I guess do you have
a reaction to that? Somebody who has some ties to
early days, you know, you know, some not early early
days mtvs, but the jackass days a little bit. And
it's gonna happen in America. I mean, I haven't watched.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I haven't really paid much attention to MTV until a
few years ago. We did like a Cky hour long
special or something like that, and uh, I just remember,
like I gotta remember it's on, you know, Friday night
at this time, blah blah blah. And I'm looking at
the guide and it's like, you know, teen mom two
(07:57):
and sixteen and pregnant and stuff, and I'm like, we
don't belong on this channel anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It's uh, I hate to say, it's like a fellow
skateboarder of yours, Rob gear Deck. It's all ridiculousness, Like
it's lots of that. Uh, I mean, it is what
I mean. I mean, I haven't watched it. It's just sad.
But we'll have to tell our kids about the good
old days of MTV. But and then to tie it
even more of a segue. I'm obsessed with segues and tings,
(08:27):
beams of but heead MTV guns and roses. When we
can say bless you to my wife who sneeze in
the back, I would feel like a piece of sho
say that and so bless you, uh so with beams
A butthead they it's funny if you look at the
early episodes, they praise gin r like rules, and you
can find ones who are like axles, you know, a bitch.
(08:47):
You know they can say things like that. So I
don't know if you saw it's because it's topical this
weekend because it went viral. Axel had a I don't
even like using the word because it's an over. It's
not accurate. A quote tantrum like he got angry. He
got angry at his in your ear monitors were making
the drums sound like a jackhammer in his ears and
(09:11):
it wasn't getting fixed. So you can see him getting angry.
He kicked the drum, he threw the microphone at the drum.
Even the next song, even if it was like, it's
not the drummer's fault and just let you and the
show went off without a hitch. People went, well, yeah,
I don't know if you saw it. First of all,
did you see that at all at all?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
No? I didn't, but I know if you're in your monitor,
mix is a mess. It's so hard to play like.
We had some trouble recently at Download Festival in England
with our in ears and and Chad's guitar was cutting out.
I don't know if it was because he had a
(09:50):
rental amp or something, but it was. It was rough
to get through, but we made it work as best
we could. But you know, the crowd doesn't care that
you're having and tech problems up there, and it's hard
to do your job, you know, But I get it.
And yeah, I mean, I gotta say on the on
the tour we did with Gen R, which was ages
(10:12):
ago at this point, he was like a sweetheart the
whole tour, but I did see him go bonkers at
a lighting guy. Yeah, I guess he wanted like some
certain light, you know, during the the big bridge part
of you know whatever song it was, and the guy
(10:34):
couldn't get the lighting right. And after like three rehearsals
and it still wasn't right. Actually like lost his mind.
I was just like, oh man, so I get where
the rumors come from. But I mean it's it's not
cool to judge a guy on one bad day, you know,
like if he did it every night, I'd be like,
(10:55):
all right, but yeah, it was just one time. I
guess that turn a month long tour or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It was all that I appreciate you basically like a
head in all the points I want to make where
the inner ear. I'm not a musician, That's why I'm
in radio. I have no talent, but the inner ear
monitor for things that happened with me obviously wearing headphones
and live broadcasts that I do. You know, we I've
(11:22):
done the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame broadcasts or
you know, just a lot of benefits or just like
you know people who come to the iHeart studios and
you're broadcasting those and there are high, high pressure situations
that you're right, the audience people who are listening have
no idea about while you're because I've been yelled at,
(11:43):
and I've yelled at. They're not proud moments, but they happen.
So I appreciate you sharing that moment with like you
know how to figure that out. And I mean, I'm
sure there's been fights within c KY and then you
kind of or just like frustrations. I want to call
it that this isn't working.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Then well, I mean as a drummer, I can get
through it a lot easier, Like if I have, you know,
guitar and vocal and stuff, I could I can make
it work. But you know, if there's any of your
problems or tech problems with Chad who has to sing,
that's a whole other thing. If you sing and you
(12:22):
can't hear something, you know, your own voice or you know,
guitars blaring over it and you can't find the note
because the mix is such a mess. Uh, that must
be a real challenge.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I can't imagine. I can't even do. I feel uncomfortable
just doing Like if I were to do this without headphones,
obviously I need to hear you, but let's just say
and have headphones, like if I you know, when I've
been in my terrestrial radio days doing a song, I
don't really need to hear anything when I'm talking other
than myself, but I need to hear how it's processs
(12:57):
so at a very minor level, like I understand it.
So I appreciate your insight.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Who so you did FM back in the day FM radio.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, so I started, and I mean I'm a New Yorker,
but I started in Cape Cod Pixie one O three
Cape God's Rock and okay, also one one point five
w pd H and Pepsie one two point three w
b A B Long Island's Cross.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's a pretty gnarly control board. Like every time I
go to an FM interview thing, it seems like it's
almost like a recording studio in there. So you know
to work all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, no, because I have I have like a similar
boardleft of me because I work from home now, and yeah,
I know I know how to work like five of them,
like all of them, so.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Exactly, I know to take a call through the faders.
I have things labeled that if they are misplaced, I
don't forget. So sometimes when my son is on my
lap playing with stuff like no, no no, I won't remember.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
How it goes.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
That was just where I wanted it exactly. So so
again that's I I appreciate. It's one thing for me
to say it, but to hear your inside is cool.
And yeah, just to have a blow up every now
and then, I get angry. They're not proud moments, so
that they happen. But I you can say, you can
pretend you didn't hear me if you don't want to
answer this question. But it's also like it's hard not
(14:19):
to hear the fans online. So with this awesome you know,
this new c KY and you hear you know, and
I hear it obviously with guns and roses and acts.
Really got this weekend from haters about it's not GENR
without Izzy and Steven left years ago. What do you
what do you do with? Like, it's not c k
(14:40):
Y with the without Darren. I mean I had him
on many many years ago and he was nice to me,
but I don't know him more than that. Uh, you
guys have been doing well for many years.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, except the fan longer than he was in it.
So but yeah, I don't know. I I'm not sure
if people are still talking about it. I guess they are.
I don't know. I don't really read too many comments
on the internet because it seems like there's a whole
(15:11):
bunch of people in there that are just trying to
get a reaction, uh be it negative or you know,
they just they just want attention, you know, so they'll
say anything. And you know, I saw it like probably
a fifteen year old kid on this Pink Floyd thing
because I'm a huge Pink Floyd and er, you know,
(15:32):
shitting all over the mix of the new remaster of
Wish You Were Here. It's like this kid from you know,
Toledo that probably has garage band, is like this mix
is terrible, man.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
It's like what I know, No, it's exactly nowhere. This
is why I knew I was excited to talk to again, because.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Anything that ridiculous, I'm just like, okay, I'm not I
don't give a shoot.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
That's such a small representation of reality and can be overwhelming.
And I think I want people to know that fans,
because fans that are online, and I think fans can
feel attacked if their favorite band, you know, they'll say
the same thing, you say, he's been out of the
band longer. And just like with Richard Fordison Izzy in
the G and R situation.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
But yeah, I show it's not reality at all like it.
You know, there's bands I know of that like this
band him well or a villa he's like solo. Now,
I don't think they've ever had an online presence. They
(16:40):
have no social media, and when they play a gig,
there's six thousand people there. Same with Ween, they don't
really have any social media, you know, Like industry people
are like, oh man, you gotta be on TikTok, you know,
you gotta content content like and then there's bands that
are like, we don't do any of that ship and
(17:01):
they they still, you know, sell out a five thousand
seat theater, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I know, no, I know that it used to be done,
had the bands used to do it, had artists used
to do I mean I've.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Seen the opposite. I've seen bands that have a zillion
followers and blah blah blah, and they play a gig
in Philly and there's like forty people there.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So that, yeah, pay for your followers. So I mean
it's all relative. You really need to understand. And I
try to be that balance myself because I'm not on
to rest your radio. Like I said, I don't have
a built in audience, so I have to use social
media and things like that.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean there's there's bands I'm a huge fan of
and I've never once been to any of their online fan.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I know, I know, it's it's it's just so weird
how I got into this. I was just a casual
g and our fan, obviously working in radio for twenty
plus years, and just end up doing this interview. It's
how I get to interview people like you. It's just yeah,
through this this GENI our you know, lens, it's just very,
very strength. But yeah, I have to see it through
fan's eyes. So that's why I hate that I see
(18:07):
the comments. But at the same time, I'm like you,
I'm like, you're a you're a year old kid. You're
somebody who like you have no idea what a high
pressure situation is, Like you're just trying to get a reaction.
So yeah, I'm I'm on the same wave length.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, I like, I really dig podcasts like this, you know,
like where it's just two people having a conversation. You know,
it's like ridiculous when you have a guest on like
an old school TV show and it's like, all right,
tell us about the and you have you know, two minutes.
It's like right here, you can get into details and
(18:41):
specifics and everything, like I appreciate that ship for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And this is why you know with the I'm I
have to be aware of with the which is why
I preface with if you don't want to pretend you
diin't to hear me with the daring question and then
you know, because we did speak about your brother Bam
last time and August at all, because people will click
up from that nice long conversation that we're having a
little bit a little bit, so I always try to
be cautious of that because we're having again listen to
(19:06):
the whole conversation. Things in contact. That's what again the
beauty of podcasts. But I hope because last time you
get you said that you know, he seems to be
doing well. I'm on social media that you hadn't spoken.
You know, I'm a I'm the oldest. You said you
have four sons.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I'm the uh, I have three daughters and one son.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Okay, I'm well, my Mayle lot is I am the
oldest of four boys brothers. So you know, it's when
I hear siblings don't get along. I don't know, I
kind of take it a little bit. I don't know
it bothers me a little bit more than it probably should. So,
I mean, I hope there's some contact there. And because
he seems like he's doing well.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I mean again, and I love seeing that. Man. I
feel like I've seen him do some tricks recently that
he couldn't do in his heyday. It's pretty cool to
see it. I like every skate video that you post.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Okay, now, I'll leave it at that, because if he's
doing well and then you'll have seen that as a brother.
So I just everything together in the future.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
That happened need to needed to happen. I feel like, yeah, yeah,
I feel like if I was like enabling him still
or you know, didn't address his dire addiction problem at
the time, he probably wouldn't be here. You know, it
was really bad. So all the ship that went down
(20:34):
had to girls. I'd rather him be alive and you know,
have beef with me then you know me, and enable
him into the grave.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well so well said man, just saying that's that's uh
a lot of people, that's the right mindset. It's a
I can't help it, of course with the again, with
the segues tying it into me because he was recently
the anniversary of l on stage, saying, if some members
of this group organization don't stop dancing with mister Brownstone,
(21:07):
this is the last gen R show you'll ever see.
This is what opening for the Stones, And the next
day he apologized, just like I don't want to see
my friends slip away. Sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures.
So sorry, that was I couldn't help. That was swimming
around in my brain.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So yeah, was reversed and it was me with an
addiction problem. I hope he would do the same thing
that I did.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, yeah, well we all should. I don't want to
sound too corny like this is the end of a
Family Matters episode, but we all should have brothers like you.
In my opinion, that sounds we need some one music.
Where's John Stamos anyway? So c K, y, you guys
are Halloween playing the United Kingdom and then all over
(21:52):
the United Kingdom, so you can go to uh c K.
Why you guys are on social media? You're you're you
know you can? Pre order is already out right, yeah,
a special preview or not?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Right on, we're gonna drop a video for it. Yeah,
probably in the next couple of days and then we
have a second song coming out soon after that.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Awesome. I look forward to it. Justin yeah, I look
forward to hopefully talking to you again. It's absolutely it's
a pleasure. Have safe travels. And that does it for
this episode of Appetite Forward Distortion? When will we see
the next one? In the words of Axl Rose, Oh,
go ahead, you say.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Something, well, thanks for having me again, and yeah, let's
do it again when the next song.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Drops, right, okay, cool, sounds good. But you'll appreciate this. This,
this is my alq. This is just what I say.
You know, with podcasts, I don't have a set schedule.
I try to do one a week. Yeah, we'll see
if it happens, some longer, some shorter. So when will
you see the next one? In the words of Axl Rose,
concerning Chinese democracy, I don't know as soon as the word,
but you'll see it.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Thanks to the Lamb security. I'm going home.
If you're in your monitor, mix is a mess. It's
so hard to play.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite four Distortion. My name is Brando.
Episode number five hundred and thirty seven. Welcome back to
the podcast from Cky, Jess Margera. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Thanks for having me back. I'm doing good right on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I like this the Cky hat mat I might need
to I'm assuming that's on. I don't need to be
a shill right away, but I mean I get to
get that on the website. That's that's a nice one.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we played a festival a little bit ago, and
this is the first time I saw this new logo
truck around. I was like, I need one of those.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh, I love it. I'm sure a lot of things
are new, and we're going to get into some of
you may remember Jess was not about like a year ago,
like one hundred episodes ago almost, which sounds crazy four
forty eight if you want to look it up, because
he told some great guns n' Roses store about the
riot and everything. But we'll get into more about that later.
But let's let's focus on the new. Well we can.
(01:06):
I can't stop and running is as my mind is running.
It's been how many years since the last Ky song man?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's a good question. Our last album was twenty seventeen,
I want to say, and then we did a EP
twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and yeah that was the last thing.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Sure, So why the way? I guess that's just the
first question. What took so long? And what's the it's
it's it's an awesome single streaming right now. You can
listen to her anywhere, you know, thanks from YouTube to Spotify,
all these places. You'll listen to anything these days. But
is it more to come? Just what was the motivation
behind the single of you know, Can't Stop Ruching?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah? Honestly, you know, the COVID thing, uh is kind
of what took so long?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Still affecting us?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, definitely, And yeah we had to cancel a bunch
of tours and we planned on getting right back into
the studio and then you know, I think like close
to two years went by before I saw Chad again.
Oh wow, Yeah, he moved to Nashville and I'm still
in Pennsylvania. So yeah, finally he just showed up. He
(02:20):
flew up to Pennsylvania armed with like I want to say,
like a hundred songs. Like during the pandemic, he wrote
a song every day, so there was like almost too much.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know, that's a good problem to have.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, it got to the point where it's like he's like,
just pick a day, dude. You know, It's like, I
don't know May tenth, and then we would just work
on May tenth right on.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, So when did you start working on on this song?
I mean you don't have to remember specific dates or anything,
but how long did it take for this new single
to come out? And what's coming? What's the next step
after that?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So out of the one hundred songs, I probably put
drums on about twenty of them. So yeah, we got
a lot more to come soon. But yeah, it seems
like releasing it a song at a time is the
way to do it these days. Everybody's got so much
add me including so it's tricky to sit down and
(03:27):
listen to a record for forty minutes, you know, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Like what I mean, what happened to us as a society.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I'm so busy, you know, I'm running around constantly, like
I said, all day, I'm uber for four kids, So.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I love that, so I was kind of kind of
parlaysn't to my next question, and it's what else is
taking up the time? And I guess being a dad?
And I told you off the air, my listeners know
my his real name is Harrison Rex on air name
Baby Brownstone, who's gonna be too two and a half
long hair. I finally taught him to do rock and roll.
That's what I told him. That the horns, So I,
(04:08):
you know, I only have one. You've got four, So
how do you manage that? And being, for lack of
a better term, a rock star, is that an easy balance?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, it sucks when you
go on tour because you're just gone for like three
weeks a month or whatever it is. But it's cool
when you're home. You're home, you know, so I get
I get to drive them all around to everything. They're
they're busier than I am. But yeah, I got two
in college now.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's crazy, man, So my god, I don't even want
to think about that again. Like two and a half
and we think he's growing up, growing up too fast. Yeah,
so that's cool. And then to bring it back to
I guess, uh, well, you know, let's live there in
a moment. Do you how do your kids look at
you as far as like, because I wonder about that
because I want to make my son like a co host.
(04:58):
I'm like, is he inna hate radio? Or is he
gonna think I'm a loser? Like what do your kids
think of you? Do they look at you as, Hey,
my dad's just a drummer and a big deal. They're like,
oh wow, sometimes people want his autograph or take a picture,
and people are thousands people.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, they kind of never understood that part of it
when we're out somewhere and they're like, what was that about?
You know, But it's like now that they're in college
and stuff and their friends like c ky, so that
made it cool.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Now okay, right on, And my.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Son's really in the video games. So you know that
latest Tony Hawk thing that came out, I got some
cool points for that, I guess.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, no, if any of the Tony Hawk you knows music.
I mean that's how we spoke out last time, whether
it's through video games or through Jackass. How initially learned
about you, and of course with me being a GNR fan,
learning even more and becoming a fan which is just
so cool to go back to one of.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
My favorite bands I'm still into this day. I learned
about through Beavis and Butthead. Right, yeah, Ween Clutch, I
mean a ton.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Of them because they used to play great music, even
though they would make fun of it. I mean, yes,
they would play obviously the silly, stupid videos, but they
would play the metal Like where else would you see
a typo? But yeah, you know, like Cannibal Corpse.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Tara Slayer, you know, like MTV wasn't really playing Slayer
Pantera back in the day. I guess they eventually did.
But yeah, I feel like Beavis and Butthead like broke
a lot of music like that primus Ween Clutch, like
I mentioned, Yeah, yeah, uh like Ween definitely is one
(06:48):
of my favorite bands. And they got murdered on Beavis
and But it's like I like this.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I know that's it's it's definitely a special like you
understand I think would be. But when they're making fun
of a winger versus okay, you know they're just being
a characters, and you know this is a good tie
in for a few things. Conversation with you, Uh, where
you're going soon? You're going to tour in the UK. Yeah,
that's where MTV is being shut down, you know, finally
(07:17):
the music channel. Yeah, it's been announced the music channels
are being shut down. So I guess do you have
a reaction to that? Somebody who has some ties to
early days, you know, you know, some not early early
days mtvs, but the jackass days a little bit. And
it's gonna happen in America. I mean, I haven't watched.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I haven't really paid much attention to MTV until a
few years ago. We did like a Cky hour long
special or something like that, and uh, I just remember,
like I gotta remember it's on, you know, Friday night
at this time, blah blah blah. And I'm looking at
the guide and it's like, you know, teen mom two
(07:57):
and sixteen and pregnant and stuff, and I'm like, we
don't belong on this channel anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It's uh, I hate to say, it's like a fellow
skateboarder of yours, Rob gear Deck. It's all ridiculousness, Like
it's lots of that. Uh, I mean, it is what
I mean. I mean, I haven't watched it. It's just sad.
But we'll have to tell our kids about the good
old days of MTV. But and then to tie it
even more of a segue. I'm obsessed with segues and tings,
(08:27):
beams of but heead MTV guns and roses. When we
can say bless you to my wife who sneeze in
the back, I would feel like a piece of sho
say that and so bless you, uh so with beams
A butthead they it's funny if you look at the
early episodes, they praise gin r like rules, and you
can find ones who are like axles, you know, a bitch.
(08:47):
You know they can say things like that. So I
don't know if you saw it's because it's topical this
weekend because it went viral. Axel had a I don't
even like using the word because it's an over. It's
not accurate. A quote tantrum like he got angry. He
got angry at his in your ear monitors were making
the drums sound like a jackhammer in his ears and
(09:11):
it wasn't getting fixed. So you can see him getting angry.
He kicked the drum, he threw the microphone at the drum.
Even the next song, even if it was like, it's
not the drummer's fault and just let you and the
show went off without a hitch. People went, well, yeah,
I don't know if you saw it. First of all,
did you see that at all at all?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
No? I didn't, but I know if you're in your monitor,
mix is a mess. It's so hard to play like.
We had some trouble recently at Download Festival in England
with our in ears and and Chad's guitar was cutting out.
I don't know if it was because he had a
(09:50):
rental amp or something, but it was. It was rough
to get through, but we made it work as best
we could. But you know, the crowd doesn't care that
you're having and tech problems up there, and it's hard
to do your job, you know, But I get it.
And yeah, I mean, I gotta say on the on
the tour we did with Gen R, which was ages
(10:12):
ago at this point, he was like a sweetheart the
whole tour, but I did see him go bonkers at
a lighting guy. Yeah, I guess he wanted like some
certain light, you know, during the the big bridge part
of you know whatever song it was, and the guy
(10:34):
couldn't get the lighting right. And after like three rehearsals
and it still wasn't right. Actually like lost his mind.
I was just like, oh man, so I get where
the rumors come from. But I mean it's it's not
cool to judge a guy on one bad day, you know,
like if he did it every night, I'd be like,
(10:55):
all right, but yeah, it was just one time. I
guess that turn a month long tour or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It was all that I appreciate you basically like a
head in all the points I want to make where
the inner ear. I'm not a musician, That's why I'm
in radio. I have no talent, but the inner ear
monitor for things that happened with me obviously wearing headphones
and live broadcasts that I do. You know, we I've
(11:22):
done the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame broadcasts or
you know, just a lot of benefits or just like
you know people who come to the iHeart studios and
you're broadcasting those and there are high, high pressure situations
that you're right, the audience people who are listening have
no idea about while you're because I've been yelled at,
(11:43):
and I've yelled at. They're not proud moments, but they happen.
So I appreciate you sharing that moment with like you
know how to figure that out. And I mean, I'm
sure there's been fights within c KY and then you
kind of or just like frustrations. I want to call
it that this isn't working.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Then well, I mean as a drummer, I can get
through it a lot easier, Like if I have, you know,
guitar and vocal and stuff, I could I can make
it work. But you know, if there's any of your
problems or tech problems with Chad who has to sing,
that's a whole other thing. If you sing and you
(12:22):
can't hear something, you know, your own voice or you know,
guitars blaring over it and you can't find the note
because the mix is such a mess. Uh, that must
be a real challenge.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I can't imagine. I can't even do. I feel uncomfortable
just doing Like if I were to do this without headphones,
obviously I need to hear you, but let's just say
and have headphones, like if I you know, when I've
been in my terrestrial radio days doing a song, I
don't really need to hear anything when I'm talking other
than myself, but I need to hear how it's processs
(12:57):
so at a very minor level, like I understand it.
So I appreciate your insight.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Who so you did FM back in the day FM radio.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, so I started, and I mean I'm a New Yorker,
but I started in Cape Cod Pixie one O three
Cape God's Rock and okay, also one one point five
w pd H and Pepsie one two point three w
b A B Long Island's Cross.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's a pretty gnarly control board. Like every time I
go to an FM interview thing, it seems like it's
almost like a recording studio in there. So you know
to work all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, no, because I have I have like a similar
boardleft of me because I work from home now, and yeah,
I know I know how to work like five of them,
like all of them, so.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Exactly, I know to take a call through the faders.
I have things labeled that if they are misplaced, I
don't forget. So sometimes when my son is on my
lap playing with stuff like no, no no, I won't remember.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
How it goes.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
That was just where I wanted it exactly. So so
again that's I I appreciate. It's one thing for me
to say it, but to hear your inside is cool.
And yeah, just to have a blow up every now
and then, I get angry. They're not proud moments, so
that they happen. But I you can say, you can
pretend you didn't hear me if you don't want to
answer this question. But it's also like it's hard not
(14:19):
to hear the fans online. So with this awesome you know,
this new c KY and you hear you know, and
I hear it obviously with guns and roses and acts.
Really got this weekend from haters about it's not GENR
without Izzy and Steven left years ago. What do you
what do you do with? Like, it's not c k
(14:40):
Y with the without Darren. I mean I had him
on many many years ago and he was nice to me,
but I don't know him more than that. Uh, you
guys have been doing well for many years.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, except the fan longer than he was in it.
So but yeah, I don't know. I I'm not sure
if people are still talking about it. I guess they are.
I don't know. I don't really read too many comments
on the internet because it seems like there's a whole
(15:11):
bunch of people in there that are just trying to
get a reaction, uh be it negative or you know,
they just they just want attention, you know, so they'll
say anything. And you know, I saw it like probably
a fifteen year old kid on this Pink Floyd thing
because I'm a huge Pink Floyd and er, you know,
(15:32):
shitting all over the mix of the new remaster of
Wish You Were Here. It's like this kid from you know,
Toledo that probably has garage band, is like this mix
is terrible, man.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
It's like what I know, No, it's exactly nowhere. This
is why I knew I was excited to talk to again, because.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Anything that ridiculous, I'm just like, okay, I'm not I
don't give a shoot.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
That's such a small representation of reality and can be overwhelming.
And I think I want people to know that fans,
because fans that are online, and I think fans can
feel attacked if their favorite band, you know, they'll say
the same thing, you say, he's been out of the
band longer. And just like with Richard Fordison Izzy in
the G and R situation.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
But yeah, I show it's not reality at all like it.
You know, there's bands I know of that like this
band him well or a villa he's like solo. Now,
I don't think they've ever had an online presence. They
(16:40):
have no social media, and when they play a gig,
there's six thousand people there. Same with Ween, they don't
really have any social media, you know, Like industry people
are like, oh man, you gotta be on TikTok, you know,
you gotta content content like and then there's bands that
are like, we don't do any of that ship and
(17:01):
they they still, you know, sell out a five thousand
seat theater, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I know, no, I know that it used to be done,
had the bands used to do it, had artists used
to do I mean I've.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Seen the opposite. I've seen bands that have a zillion
followers and blah blah blah, and they play a gig
in Philly and there's like forty people there.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So that, yeah, pay for your followers. So I mean
it's all relative. You really need to understand. And I
try to be that balance myself because I'm not on
to rest your radio. Like I said, I don't have
a built in audience, so I have to use social
media and things like that.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean there's there's bands I'm a huge fan of
and I've never once been to any of their online fan.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I know, I know, it's it's it's just so weird
how I got into this. I was just a casual
g and our fan, obviously working in radio for twenty
plus years, and just end up doing this interview. It's
how I get to interview people like you. It's just yeah,
through this this GENI our you know, lens, it's just very,
very strength. But yeah, I have to see it through
fan's eyes. So that's why I hate that I see
(18:07):
the comments. But at the same time, I'm like you,
I'm like, you're a you're a year old kid. You're
somebody who like you have no idea what a high
pressure situation is, Like you're just trying to get a reaction.
So yeah, I'm I'm on the same wave length.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, I like, I really dig podcasts like this, you know,
like where it's just two people having a conversation. You know,
it's like ridiculous when you have a guest on like
an old school TV show and it's like, all right,
tell us about the and you have you know, two minutes.
It's like right here, you can get into details and
(18:41):
specifics and everything, like I appreciate that ship for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And this is why you know with the I'm I
have to be aware of with the which is why
I preface with if you don't want to pretend you
diin't to hear me with the daring question and then
you know, because we did speak about your brother Bam
last time and August at all, because people will click
up from that nice long conversation that we're having a
little bit a little bit, so I always try to
be cautious of that because we're having again listen to
(19:06):
the whole conversation. Things in contact. That's what again the
beauty of podcasts. But I hope because last time you
get you said that you know, he seems to be
doing well. I'm on social media that you hadn't spoken.
You know, I'm a I'm the oldest. You said you
have four sons.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I'm the uh, I have three daughters and one son.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Okay, I'm well, my Mayle lot is I am the
oldest of four boys brothers. So you know, it's when
I hear siblings don't get along. I don't know, I
kind of take it a little bit. I don't know
it bothers me a little bit more than it probably should. So,
I mean, I hope there's some contact there. And because
he seems like he's doing well.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I mean again, and I love seeing that. Man. I
feel like I've seen him do some tricks recently that
he couldn't do in his heyday. It's pretty cool to
see it. I like every skate video that you post.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Okay, now, I'll leave it at that, because if he's
doing well and then you'll have seen that as a brother.
So I just everything together in the future.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
That happened need to needed to happen. I feel like, yeah, yeah,
I feel like if I was like enabling him still
or you know, didn't address his dire addiction problem at
the time, he probably wouldn't be here. You know, it
was really bad. So all the ship that went down
(20:34):
had to girls. I'd rather him be alive and you know,
have beef with me then you know me, and enable
him into the grave.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well so well said man, just saying that's that's uh
a lot of people, that's the right mindset. It's a
I can't help it, of course with the again, with
the segues tying it into me because he was recently
the anniversary of l on stage, saying, if some members
of this group organization don't stop dancing with mister Brownstone,
(21:07):
this is the last gen R show you'll ever see.
This is what opening for the Stones, And the next
day he apologized, just like I don't want to see
my friends slip away. Sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures.
So sorry, that was I couldn't help. That was swimming
around in my brain.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So yeah, was reversed and it was me with an
addiction problem. I hope he would do the same thing
that I did.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, yeah, well we all should. I don't want to
sound too corny like this is the end of a
Family Matters episode, but we all should have brothers like you.
In my opinion, that sounds we need some one music.
Where's John Stamos anyway? So c K, y, you guys
are Halloween playing the United Kingdom and then all over
(21:52):
the United Kingdom, so you can go to uh c K.
Why you guys are on social media? You're you're you
know you can? Pre order is already out right, yeah,
a special preview or not?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Right on, we're gonna drop a video for it. Yeah,
probably in the next couple of days and then we
have a second song coming out soon after that.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Awesome. I look forward to it. Justin yeah, I look
forward to hopefully talking to you again. It's absolutely it's
a pleasure. Have safe travels. And that does it for
this episode of Appetite Forward Distortion? When will we see
the next one? In the words of Axl Rose, Oh,
go ahead, you say.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Something, well, thanks for having me again, and yeah, let's
do it again when the next song.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Drops, right, okay, cool, sounds good. But you'll appreciate this. This,
this is my alq. This is just what I say.
You know, with podcasts, I don't have a set schedule.
I try to do one a week. Yeah, we'll see
if it happens, some longer, some shorter. So when will
you see the next one? In the words of Axl Rose,
concerning Chinese democracy, I don't know as soon as the word,
but you'll see it.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Thanks to the Lamb security. I'm going home.
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