Fine, I'll talk about Axl's voice: Part II | Ep. 531

Exactly what the title says. Didn't want to talk about a first time, so why not a second? I'm still tired of people trying to drag down legends. We'll be honest with each other, with the right perspective. Let's talk about Axl Rose's voice and those who criticize him. This time, we're joined by musician/vocal coach, Tony Noyes.

More info:
https://www.tonynoyes.com/
https://www.youtube.com/tntnoyes

Link to Part I: https://youtu.be/z0QofxJeQ2Q

Our website: www.afdpod.com

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's doing a lot of false sety right now because
it's very that's very mild on the throat.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion. My name is Brando,
Episode number five hundred and thirty one. Welcome to the podcast, Tony.
I should have asked how to pronounce your last name?
Is it Tony? I want to say noise, but it's
not nice.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's not it no noise, noise, No, it's noise. Actly.
Let's say you're clothes Tony.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Noise not spelled that way either.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, no, it's no and yes put together so ny es.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh, perfect name for a musician and in the center
and yeah, vocal coach, all that fun stuff. So we're
going to get into that as we do. Fine, I'll
talk about Axel's voice part two. We got to do that.
And before we even get into that, you may hear
my baby Brownstone's voice in the backgrounds as usual. That's

(00:56):
gonna be the theme of for so long.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Of these episodes.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Just get back from the park, you know, I'm telling you.
It's the funniest thing.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
He he sees like a picture of like Slash and
now he'll be like Slash. So I'm teaching him.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
There you go, you team right.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
And I'm going to teach him how to respect our elders,
like Axel Rose. That's why I hear and a name.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Like baby Brownstill and you'll have to teach him how
to sing mister Brownstone or maybe just a part of
it and have him do a dance in the background,
him do the axle in the in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
And I've been thinking about we have my sister in law.
I got a plush slash for him like before he
was born, and uh, I want to start doing like
I can't believe what I'm saying this, like TikTok videos
of like a plush slash teaching him about guns and
roads is. I have ideas in my head, Tony. It
may not work, but we'll see you where they go

(01:51):
try it. That's why I admire Axel. He's always trying
all these different ideas. But I want to talk about
why you're here, Tony. I mean, I'm not came enough
that you're one of the listeners of Appetite for Distortion
I've had throughout these nine years basically since they reformed,
that I'm grateful for. I didn't expect to do a

(02:11):
forty five minute you know, rant about Axel's voice. I didn't.
I really wanted to. I actually did it twice and
a half an hour, and I got I didn't like
what I said, So that's why I did a third.
I'm like, after the third time in forty five minutes,
I'm like, leave it?

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Did you have to leave it a lot? You still
you still probably didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I have a Chinese democracy problem. That's why I admire
Axel and I defend him like I get it. I
always I have a problem with the way I do
things and like getting things down. So absolutely, and I
thank you to the other AfD listeners because I really
got a lot of positive feedback for that episode, and
I wasn't sure what I was going to get. This

(02:49):
is some Axel sickophan just defending him. He doesn't, he doesn't,
he can't sing, what does he know? I didn't get
any of that. But when you reached out to me,
I'm like, you know what, this is a vocal coach,
a singer. And that's kind of what really prompted me
to do that episode because I got not you, but
other vocal coaches and other people, just people mocking those

(03:13):
like Axel Rose or David Lee Roth. I saw a
video just the other day. Why would you go to
a davidly Roth concert knowing that he's older and this
is just what he sounds like to take a video
and being like, this is what he sounds like. Now
look at this fucking guy. Yeah, look at that fucking
guy who has a legacy that will outlive He's for

(03:35):
real doing now. So it's got to the point where
you can criticize. I get it, we all age. This
happens to all of us. If you feel the need
to point out someone's imperfections of how they changed from
thirty years ago, do that. But I'm gonna do my thing. Yeah,
but I wanted to bring you on here because I

(03:55):
wouldn't be doing my thing properly if I can get
all the facts. And I'm just talking with my fandom.
So when Tony reached out, he's a singer, you send
me some covers of Velvet Revolver? Are you doing some
covers of VR?

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
They I'll put links to them and some people can
hear them, and then the uh you know in the
summary and all that stuff. And you're a vocal coach
as well. So let's let's get a little bit of
your history before we start getting, you know, deep into
the actual voice Part two. So you're in Arizona right now?
Is that where you started?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Where are you from, buddy?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, I'm in Arizona. I want to thank you for
having me on here first of all, and yeah, I've
listened to your to your podcast for quite some time.
You get some great guests and I love what to do.
So so yeah, I had to reach out when you
did that episode. I feel the same way watching people
criticize that ship all the time and you know, getting
so negative. But we'll start, you know where you're steering,

(04:52):
and we'll start start with me. But yeah, I got
frustrated and I reached out. I was like, hey, if
you need another view of this because I'm screaming at
my phone or at you know, God damn it, Lee Malone,
you know, because.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
They don't nat alone.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I mean, I don't want to come off like that guy.
But it's just it's such a larger conversation now that
it's more than just Axel. You see it with aging
actresses and just people just oh what happened to them? Oh?
They don't look like they did it in the nineteen eighties.
Oh a crazy. You're not going to either, buddy, Oh
yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
And that's something I'll get into, which is which is
nuts on?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I saw a video somebody put up and said, wow,
look look what rock and roll and drugs. Look what
it does to you sex, drugs and rock and roll,
the rock and roll lifestyle. And they started putting pictures
up and Axel was one of them, which made me
think of this as well when you did your podcast.
So they had everybody up there daily, Roth, Axel Rose,
and they had a picture of them when they were twenty,
and then they have a picture of them today, which

(05:50):
I mean, what are they fifties and sixties? What they're
in some some guy's even older. And I said, how
in the fuck are you going to put that up
and say, look at what the life did to them?
You know, and this per since probably younger. How are
you gonna look when you're sixty or seventy. You can't
compare that like we all age and we all circuit
wrinkles and lines and look rough and gray hair. I
thought it was ridiculous, So just kind of clickbait going on.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, that's the word I was waiting to say. Is
that's what it's about. It's to get a reaction. This
is the world we live in now. And that's like
the thumbnails I'll see about Axel's voice. And that's the
one I started out that that uh part one with
maybe he's a nice guy, this vocal coach dude, but
he's just on those thumbnail h shrugging shoulders. Can Axle
sing anymore? Yeah, it's just it's annoying. And again it's

(06:39):
it's it's a clickbait. It's someone like I'm going to
click on this because it's gonna help me get my
Axle hat out. Oh what's wrong with Him'm gonna click
on this? And if you're going to compare what you
know Britney Spears looked like when she was twenty, what
she looks like when she's forty or whatever, it's that's
all you're doing. And I really try. I know sometimes
i'll post things that are silly. I want silly answers,

(07:01):
but I try not to lie or make someone look
bad with clickbait. I really do my best to avoid
that with naming my episodes with posts. I don't want
to be that. So yeah, that's why I'm glad that
we're here kind of in the same uh you know,
the cup from the same cloth. But again, we're here
to be honest, right, We're here to be honest. So
that's why I want to get your background with singing.

(07:23):
I mean, you look like a rock star, but how
long you been singing? Uh? Band wise? When did you
get into vocal coaching all that stuff?

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Well, yeah, I'm born and raised in Arizona, and I
lived out of the state probably for only a few years.
California for a little bit, and then Washington State. My
parents moved around for my dad's job. But I took
up doing I was in plays. I would take up
whatever was musical in school, or if they had little
skits or plays, I would go and be in those.

(07:53):
And you know, they would do them in the lunch
room or the auditorium or wherever. And I would put
on little skits for my parents as well. And I'd
drag my little brother into it and say, all right,
I'm evil canievil.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
You're the camera man, You're you're interviewing me.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
I just crashed, I wiped out, and you know, we
I'd lay on the ground and we'd do this this little.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Fucking skid or whatever, you know, just to make them laugh.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
So I kind of always have been an entertainer, and
I would we would make up names for bands, and
we're gonna be in a band when we get older,
and we're gonna call it tight Leather, and you know,
we were just tight letters and probably the first name
I remember we came up with and we wrote a song.
Was never serious about it until I started singing and

(08:36):
people started giving me compliments that wow, you know you
can hold a note and that sounds pretty good, and
you go really, okay, cool, and then you find yourself
in an area of a racquetball court or something, and
then I would sing in the reverb sounds big and
I go, holy shit, this sunse you know, and spend
time in there while the parties going on in the
next room. And you know, it was in an apartment
complex once, but anyway, I went in there and somebody

(08:59):
came in found me and then said, oh, you got
to hear this guy sing. So I was almost putting
on like a weird concert. And I wasn't even in
a band or anything, but I was in there singing
skid row and guns and roses and stuff, and I'd
do a scream in there and it would echo around,
and so that gave me a little confidence boost to go,
maybe I should pursue it a little bit, you know,
and and get into a band. So so yeah, I

(09:20):
got into different bands, various bands and writing songs. I
love writing music, and I did that for the longest time.
I got into started bands. I jumped into my first band,
which was called Wicked Season, and I just played guitar
actually because I was guitarist as well, and right or
I am. But I started out on guitar and went

(09:42):
from there to started started singing a little bit more
in that band, and then went on to start my
own band. And I did that in writing, and you know,
I went to California and you know, tried to stuff demos,
you know, demo tapes in the Capitol Rac Kurts building
and you know, Geffer Gods and all that, Hey ho,

(10:03):
you do that, make up promo packs and stuff it
through the slots. And I had a great time, and
then I got into I guess I should just say
that I've been doing it about thirty years now, thirty
five almost going on that'll tell my age.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
But uh yeah, I'm going to be fifty six here
in October.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
And when I was about forty, I just went, you know,
I was doing the original stuff. I wasn't getting where
I wanted to go, and I just I wanted to
go big show because I love everything big show, you know,
and playing bars is fun and all for beer, but
not really where I wanted to go with it. But
I was invited to a cover band and I never

(10:41):
did covers before, and they were doing a bunch of
eighties stuff, and I went, let's try it. And I
went in auditions and they hired me on the spot.
And that was the first time I got into I
felt like I abandoned the original stuff. I was like,
you know what, I'm making money, this is fun. We
started drawing the crowds. I started dressing the part. We
put it as more of a tribute to the eighties.

(11:03):
And I'm wearing fish net and you know, remember Aplo
Rose with the chaps and the and the uh and
he's wearing the banana.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Hammock or whatever.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Oh you wore ba, I.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Fucking did a banana hmm. I was like, I saw
him do it.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
And Tommy Lee with the suspenders and the skinnings, and
I was like, fuck this. So little by little after
man my drummer brought that up. He goes, you need
to do that, and I was like, I don't think
I can do that, bro, I can't bounce my junk
around the stage like that. And uh so one day
I did it just to fuck with him. So I
showed up and just and put it on, and I

(11:37):
had like a weird towel thing around me or you know,
I kind of made it part of the costume of
the uniform, and uh after the second song or so,
I just flipped it open and boy, be careful what
you asked for, because he had to stare at my
my ass the rest of the night. Right So anyway,
but by the end of it, they were like, dude,
you got to do that again because it really got

(11:57):
I mean, the girls got up. Of course, the guys
left the state right away, right they went, oh my god,
and you know, the girls rush the stage and then
we kind of got a lot of popular from there.
So he's you know, they were going, you got to
do that again. So that was a great time. I
had a great time doing the eighties. Very challenging, I
must say, since we're talking about, you know, doing vocals,

(12:20):
that was. That was one where I'm doing three hours,
you know, a night, and you get a break in between.
Sometimes we do an hour and a half and then
take a break and do another hour and a half.
And I tried pushing it so I would do a
raffle in between. So I was talking in between doing
a raffle, and I really didn't get much of a
rest out of the deal. And man, it doesn't number.

(12:40):
It does a number on the throat. So I had
to tell them that we can't do the raffles. Somebody
else has to take over on that. I really need
to get out of the bar because even in between
the sets, the music is blaring and people come up
and hey, good job, and you're going, hey, You're trying
to yell over the over the music, and I'm like, man,
I can't. I can't do this because now I got

(13:00):
to get up and sing another hour or hour and
a half. So I got myself a small trailer because
I would I would run outside the building and go
hide somewhere just just to get away. Not that I
didn't want to talk to anybody. But I didn't because
I wouldn't be able to get back up there and
scream some of these really high songs.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
It's so demanding. And so I got a little trailer
that I would run to and go, you know, sit in.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
So now I felt like that guy, you know, like
they were like, oh, he's out in his trailer.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I go, well, no, you don't understand. I can't fucking do.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
This, you know, so well that makes sense. I mean
I just spoke to a rain from our Lady Piece
and he told that story about Axel watching the Pacquiel
Mayweather fight through the l Lady Piece tour window because
he didn't tour bost window because he didn't want to
go on the bus with them. And I was like,
would you guys smell He's like, well, he's probably resting

(13:53):
his voice. Every probably wants to talk to him and
hear his stories. He probably just wants to chill and
watch TV and rest. And I completely get that. So
that's just a little bit of an insight, you know,
whether your axl Rose or I don't want to diminish
tony nice, tony noise. I know I'm gonna keep going noise.
I stopped myself. All Right's I blame Key and Peel

(14:14):
for that for me if you remember that show. So,
whether you're you're telling.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Say nice noise, nice noise.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, whether you're Tony or Axel, I mean, it's just
it's resting. And you know, sometimes I wish I was
better with my my voice, but uh, I don't know.
It's just it is what it is. It's completely different.
You know, you're.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Doing podcasts and stuff. Have you ever given it a shot?
Helped me out a note? Real quick? Let's start a
lesson here?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Oh singing?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, God, that's what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
You're like, oh no, No, I meant just as far
as talking, because people you know on the radio. I
growing up, I have drinking teas. I I knew a
programmed production director who would eat bee pollen that was
supposed to be really good for the throat because he
would also do the voices for the commercials. But me,
I just keep talking, and I don't know. I feel

(15:01):
like I sound sexier, if at least my voice, rather
than the fran dresser that I normally think I sound like.
So whatever, I'm talking about myself and my my stupid voice.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Now voice yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Although I when I did talk do that review episode,
I spoke about how I got really sick for a
couple of days and I was throwing up a lot
and my voice changed to like sound like Ramanau and
I was like, oh my god, again, I'm learning these
things as I'm getting older. You said you your fifty six.
I still have my birthday sign up because my son
likes saying all the letters. I just turned forty two. Um,

(15:38):
it sounds I know, Pe, you were older laughing at me.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Did you are you going yesterday?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
As we are recording this? Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it.
All I wanted to do was hang out with my
my wife and my son, and it's all all all
we did, and I got to do you know, Facebook
stuff for appetite, for distortion. We love talking to you
know G and our fans every day and playing for
this episode today and all that that stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
But just doubting about it your birthday.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I did, thank you, but thinking about it, just like
it sounds silly as I turned forty two. Things that
don't work right now on my body and things that
are just like I used to be able to do this.
I used to be able to I. My wife and
I for our wedding was all pizza and cookies. That's
what we got. Because we're children. I can't eat them

(16:25):
anymore because for some reason, I'm lactose intolerant all of
a sudden, and every cookie is made with milk, so
like your body changes. So I know it's probably not
the best analogy, but it goes to Axel the voice,
everything changing, and just a kind of conversation about perspective.
That was the we were today, that I was using perspective,

(16:46):
so I get.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, and he I was going to say, like a
huge thing to think about is these guys have been
doing it for decades, you know, for a long and
they do it night after night, and sometimes they do
three in a row and one off, or they'll do
you know, and back in the day they were doing
more than that. Because the record labels and the booking
agen's managers whoever were booking the tour, they don't give
a shit about always having trouble with his voice a lot,

(17:11):
and fans even say this too, like well, you're this
trained singer, you're supposed to be able to do. No,
that's not how it works. It's not push the fucking
shit out. It's like a basketball player. They could only
play so many minutes and you have to pull them
out and give them a rest, and then they're not
going to play another game right afterwards, or five games
in a row, you know, and or even you know,
they have days in between to rest their body because

(17:32):
the body just won't do that.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
So same with a voice.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
I mean, the voice is like, you know, they were
going night after night and I remember seeing a documentary
of Axl Rose going. You know, his voice was hurting.
He was doing it night after night, and they just
hate they had him booked like that. Michael Jackson had
the same They were booking them night after night. He
was like, I cannot do that, but they didn't really
give a shit, you know, they said, hey, you've got
to sell these albums. So I think people looking at

(17:57):
it from their perspective from you know, a singer's respective
totally different instrument. You know, a guitar you can get
on it and you can play that that chord, that note,
it works every time, and guitarist get a little shaky
or shitty if you know, hey it's cold outside, my
guitar is get my guitar can't be in the heat, right,
it's gonna bend, it's gonna be out of tune, it's

(18:18):
gonna whatever. It's very much the same with the voice.
The voice, we have to do the same. We have
to say, oh my god, it's humid out, or you know,
humidity helps, but oh it's dry out, or it's this
and that and we have to compensate, or it's loud.
I don't want to scream and yell over the top
of it. The worst one I think was watching the
Journey Don't Stop Believing with RNL right, the singer showing

(18:39):
his story how he got into it, and it almost
you know, you know, I just they talked about him
as if he's like a set of tires, like we
got I'll good seven years out of him so far,
and you know, maybe we need to get a new guy.
But so they get off of a show and there's
Arnell with a toleraan or a scarf around his neck

(19:00):
and he's next to a humidifier and he's trying to
breathe it in. And those guys come in with cigars
or wine or whatever they had, and hey, great show, Arnell,
have a good one. And they go upstairs and they're
going to go party because they don't have to worry
about their voices, you know, like he does. And he's
just he's got to do this, you know, sit next
to the humidifier, so he's going to be able to
perform the next night. And it is very much like

(19:24):
it's there's such a bad side. There's a bad side
to that coin that people don't understand, like me having
to go hide in a trailer.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
He didn't. I wanted to do that.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
I wanted to go party with everybody else, but I
wouldn't be able to do my job, you know, and
get up there and perform for everybody who paid to
get in. So you know, you got to look out
for that. So I think, you know, if people can
understand that, there's a lot more care trying to take
care of the because you don't know if you're going
to wake up with a sore throat. It's like maybe
waking up with a sore neck, you know, wrong, yeah,

(19:53):
and you can't turn your head. You're like, oh shit.
You know, if that was a part of your job,
you'd be in trouble. And that's the same you wake
up with kind of a rough road or a sore one.
You can only try to loosen it up and you
go out and you try to do the show anyway
because you have to do it. You can't cancel one
of those big shows that Axl Rose is doing, and
then you're singing on a sore throat that might even

(20:13):
damage it for the next few days.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
So then he has to try to bounce back as
he's using his voice.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
So there's a lot of factors that which I think
is why he, you know, is doing what he's doing.
A lot of false setoy right now because it's very
that's very mild on the throat, you know, to go
out there and go.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Welcome to the jum Go, we got fun and Gaves.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's just it's, you know, he's going to be able
to do his three hours, which the voice fatigues after
three hours you cannot you go any longer than that,
you're just damaging. So three hours is very challenging anyway, NonStop.
So that's why they throw maybe a drum solo or
kind of a little musical interlu want.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
To do a guitar solo, you know, give me a.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Breaking a song. Yeah, but it's always like a short
punk song is that much of a break.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
But yeah, yeah, they need to pick something else, you know,
you need to pick.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Starred having something to work with. So yeah, So I
think a lot of people don't understand like the demand
for that job. And I think a lot of people
just go to this, go to this place of well,
you know, that's what you signed up for him, that's
what you're you know, that's what your job is, and
that's what you're supposed to be able to do. I
saw Steve Perry in an interview and it was a
I think Dan Rather there and.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Let me turn on my light. Here there is my computer.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Went down screensaver and Dan rather brought up kind of
that attitude to him, you know that Steve was trying
to explain to him, man, it's tough to do no
matter how much I practice, no matter what, there's good
and bad nights to it. And Dan had said, well,
that's why you get the big bucks. Now, don't show
you know, and it was and Steve went and I

(21:54):
could see his phase the frustration, and he went, fuck it.
And I'm not I'm not going to say anything else
to you, bro. You know, you you're a guy that
didn't understand that.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
It doesn't get it.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
He doesn't get that, doesn't want to get it, doesn't
he want to listen, like.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
You know, yeah, that's a very cliche response. That's why
you get paid the big bucks. You know, that's that's
what does that even I know what that means. But
that's not really a like a authentic response to what
he's saying, at least from what you're you're telling me.
And I'm glad you brought up Arnell Pineda to uh
because I didn't bring him up last time. And he's
somebody who was hired for his voice and singing like

(22:28):
Steve Perry. And there was a video I know was
last year that came out and he's in the crowd,
he's engaged, she's singing, and there was all this criticism
online about how he can sing. And poor Arnell. He
put it up to a vote. He put it out
on social media, is that if you want me gone
from Journey, that I can't do it anymore. I will
accept your decision. And of course all the positivity came

(22:49):
in all that stuff, but it's like, oh my goodness,
this guy who could sing, and so much of what
I see and you can tell me about It's just
it's not that you're standing there singing like this is
some sort of performance like on the voice. He's in
the crowd, or Axl's running around, davely Roth is doing

(23:10):
his karate thing. There's so many other movements and emotions
into it that you can lose your breath. You may
not sound pitch perfect at that moment like you do
on the record because you're you're doing live things in
that moment. I wish I could credit this person. He
it was in response to the Axul Part one that

(23:31):
he sent me a video of Zach wild This is funny.
It will It also goes into the guitar doing it
in the audience, soloing in the audience, so it's fans
all around. Looks so cool. He's like, watch this video.
It sounds like shit, but if you were there, it
was the most godly solo you've ever heard. So is

(23:52):
that something that you also feel where it's live versus tape?
Or am I making too much out of it? Because
I understand it was recently the anniversary of the nineteen
ninety two VMAs where they did Welcome to Jungle and
Axel's voices like oh, my god, that could tear apart
the heavens. It sounds so great. That's on tape. He
sounds good there. But I think it's it's not as

(24:13):
simple as that. I'm curious your your opinion on you know,
the cell phone footage versus being there.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, well absolutely and doing a song or two on
the VMAs as opposed to touring night after night.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Totally different.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
In number one, you're preparing for that one. You got
great mix in air monitors, you're doing one song, two songs, Smedley, whatever,
and you're off. But yeah, I so recently, the weirdest
thing is I went to Brian Adams concert and because
I was doing a Brian Adams I was asked to
do a Brian Adams tribute. And this was my last tribute.

(24:48):
Just so everybody knows. I got back into doing the originals.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
And I didn't abandon it. I'm writing again.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I never heard of a Brian Adams tribute, so you know,
you could be the only one.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I thought, so, yeah, that's what I thought. I thought.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
I there was one maybe in Germany or something like
that that we you know, you search him out and
you go, hey, is this a good venture to get into.
But so that helped me a lot with the raspiness
of getting that kind of Brian Adams sound, you know.
And so I went and so we said, let's go
see a show live. And I was really blown away
at the way he sounded. I was like, wow, his age,
he sounds amazing. So of course I get out the

(25:22):
phone and I snap a little bit to put on
social media, and from what I'm hearing there in the
room to where I get home, I pull up the
video and I go, whoa, he's kind of out of key,
and wow, he's it's you know, it's not as good
as I remember being there, because you know, you're in
a huge stadium, there's this huge PA. It sounds incredible

(25:43):
coming out the PA. You know, the sound wave is
definitely different coming out, you know, from these this huge
arena with speakers to your ears, as opposed to coming
in this little microphone and then coming out a little
speaker or on your computer later. It just changes the
sound and it maybe more authentic to what's happening on
the stage. You know, he may not be hitting all

(26:04):
the notes and maybe it didn't sound as good as
I but you're right. When I was there. I was
in aw going, wow, man, he sounds fucking amazing, if
you know, for his age, which he did, and even
on the video he's still it just didn't sound as
good as when I was there, but he still sounded
very good for his age and for doing it as
long as he's been doing it.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
So I agree with you on that. I think this is,
you know, the social media and the cell phones.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Taking the video and putting it up is not, you know,
a great representation of the overall sound of the band,
you know, and it's it's a different experience, So I
think it'd probably be better to try to criticize it
if you're there, and and if you're there, you're criticizing
something that you paid for.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
And I love that.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I think it was Don dk and that brought that up.
He went out and said, you know, fuck it. If
you don't want to come to my show, don't come
to my show, right And you know, a lot of
people say that they should quit, and I'm like, there's
still selling tickets.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Why should they quit.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
You know, if you put out a show even though
you know you're not one hundred percent or you're not
doing it that way, and people want to come see
the person and come see and pay to see the show,
or think they should.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Just keep doing it. Those people have to pitch about it,
don't go.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I agree. I had this conversation with Derek Shulman actually
just taped the interview right before uh this one you
know from Jump Giant, and uh became an R A
and R guy signs like signed non bon Jovii, and
we talked about we spoke about his voice because obviously
he's somebody else who's is struggling with with with age
and uh, but it's it's such an interesting you know,

(27:38):
you want to go there. And I asked Bruce Dickinson
this recently with the phone, you know, all that stuff,
and I'm guilty too of taking it. But the the
the again, this is not me. This is where the
I'm not an actual Sicker fan. If you've gone to
a show and that's your opinion, then I'm not going
to tell you you're wrong. But usually the people say
he sounds like you know, inert insert cartoon character here,

(28:01):
haven't been to a show, And it's like, well, talk
to somebody who's actually been to a show. And this
is why I don't want to what a lot of
vocal coaches do with these reaction or criticism videos. I'm
not going to pull up a video of Axel and
have Tony say, Okay, he's had a breath here, or

(28:23):
maybe he lost his ear monitor here. It could be fun,
but then like, no sarcastic. I know, I give a
fun to do for clickbait, and we can have fun,
but it's just at the end of the day, it's stupid.
Because I said this to the other day was also
the anniversary as we're recording this of in two thousand

(28:44):
and two Viamse where Axel came back with braids and buckehead,
and you know, I watched that live. I remember enjoying
it so much and I still enjoy it. But it
wasn't until after the fact that when people when I
go on the Internet and people are like, oh, he's
at a breath here, I don't notice these things. You know,
as a fan, most of the time, I'm just doing

(29:04):
the moment. So again, I'm not trying to be am
I nuts am I just being a sick a fan
saying like, oh Axel, I don't think I'm that. But
it's when you pull up a video, yeah, then you
could point to, oh, they did this wrong, they did
that wrong, because you're slowing it down. Rock and roll
to a point is not meant to be dissected like this,
so we can dissect it to learn about the history.

(29:27):
But when doing performances, this isn't adele, this isn't American idol.
So I don't want to that would defeat the part
they don't have.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
They don't have the fucking vocal tracks in the back
that are like they can duck out of and let
the vocal.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Tracks take over. These guys are doing it wrong, man,
you know live they are.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
They are doing it live. Axel is doing it live,
whether to his credit or detriment, unlike a lot of
so many artists. And what would you rather have Axel
miming like Frankie Valley? I guess. But he's ninety and
he still wants to do it. I don't know if
you can even still talk. But whatever makes him happy.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Hey, I went and saw him. I'm guilty of buying
the table. Oh yeah, how a show, But I didn't
know that at the time. I thought, fuck, he sounds amazing,
but he was hilarious, very frail and couldn't move anywhere,
and he's going, Jerry, you know, just screaming it out.
I went, holy shit, I can't believe what I'm here.
And then I found an island. But I did question
it a little bit. There's a couple.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Oh, I want to let you know in advance. You know, I.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Probably go still see that guy.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I don't care, you know, but that's the point. Would
you rather see Frankie Valley the guy do that mimy
or whatever, as opposed to just a really talented singer
doing the songs? I know, I don't want to see
the guy who did the thing. Yeah, Axl is the
guy who did the thing. David ly Roth is the
guy who did the thing. Yeah, I mean, as much

(30:48):
as as talented as Arnel Panta is, I've always Steve
Perry is the guy who did the thing. You know,
I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, there's no there's no replacement for Steve for me.
I mean, I grew up on that and that was
like he was one of That was one of one
of my favorite bands.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
And for the longest time I couldn't see the guy
who did the thing. As in slash because they other
than velve a revolver, I couldn't see Guns of Roses
the way they did, Like I go only see Axel.
Now we have Axel and Slash together and new Music
is a podcast onto itself. You want to talk about that,
we can have it. We'll have that conversation of another day.

(31:22):
But for those again who are complaining, that's the problem
I have. Either don't go just like Don Dakin says,
or see it in person because it's completely different. But
I'm curious because as somebody for what you could you
watch clips online again without bringing them up because I
think it's going to do with disservice. We don't know
what's going It's like when we like in ESPN, you're

(31:45):
almost like honust if you're an athlete, like even if
you're an ex athlete, as if you're not Stephen A.
Smith or whatever, you're pointing out, Okay, they did this wrong,
they did that wrong. There's still so many things that
you don't know about that's probably going on at that time.
So I always think there's a degree of the margin
of error in their analysis. So I don't want to
do that here. But I'm just curious what you've heard.

(32:07):
I guess just from your opinion just from listening to
Axel is an age sometimes, I again, it happens to everybody. Sometimes.
I think he just gets so excited. Where at you
had the Sabbath you know, farewell, and it wasn't a
three hour show, but he did just perform a three

(32:27):
hour show the night before, and it's he's so I think,
I don't know, I didn't said something. Again, as when
I'm watching it versus reading it online, I couldn't tell
he was out of time or anything like that. I
don't know what he hears in his inner ear monitor.
He just seems so excited, like he finally met Ozzie.
He's doing this thing he really wants to do. I

(32:49):
think that's cool as shit that someone who has been
doing this forever still gets so excited to perform and
do these kind of events. So, just what do you see?
I don't know whether it was the Sabbath show or
what have you? Just you know, what have you seen
from Axless performances lately? Have you gone to any of
the I know they haven't toured the States this year,
but have you seen any of the reunion shows?

Speaker 4 (33:10):
So?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, I had to go see that. I
saw him before they got the reunion and then they
did the reunion. I saw him I think was last year,
last year or the year before, but yeah, I had
to they came to Arizona, and yeah, I had to
go see it, man, because like you said, these are
the guys, you know, these are the guys that were
year was that much better with Slash and Duff and

(33:31):
you know, the great to see those guys playing and
hear them play live, you know, and you have to
remember that twenty year old voice definitely different from sixty
year old voice. So I'm thinking that just watching him
up there as he's older, Number two a great thing.
Chester Bennington had done that said this because he did

(33:52):
this seventeen second scream or forty five the three minute
scream or whatever he did, right and give it up
as one of them. Yeah, screaming there, you know, you
do it in the studio. You're feeling great, and I've
done this. I have a song out there called Be
My Angel, and I did it way back, but I
did these really high notes in this longer scream. And
you're doing it feeling great, especially in your twenties. You're
going oh, yeah, man, I could do this. I'll do

(34:13):
it again tomorrow, I'll do it the next day. Then
you do it, and you have to sing that year
after year, decade after decade, and now your forties, fifties, sixties,
and you're supposed to hold that note out and Chester
Bennington was like, man, I made a mistake.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
That was I thinking doing that in there? I thought
the same fucking thing. I go, what now? Why did
I go do that?

Speaker 1 (34:33):
It makes for a great recording, you know, when you
want to put that in and listen to it, you're like, oh, man,
he nailed it. He nailed it at that moment, or
I nailed that moment. You know, I nailed that note
at that moment. I'm not always going to be able
to hit that the same and neither are they, and
that's what.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Makes the live performance so raw unique.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
You're gonna sometimes some of the singers will go an
octave lower or do a different note in between. Paul
Stanley was great with that, just doing something else instead
of because he had trouble reaching that high note, so
he would just go, oh, you know something else in
there that this would blow you away.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
If that's just as fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
So so I think I think, I think that factors
into it. That act is not going to be able
to sing the stuff that he's saying on Appetite when
he was in is, you know, twenty years old or whatever.
It just he's not gonna be able to pull it
off the same. But I when I saw him live,
I heard him hitting some of those raspy you.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Know Lema Whiz goes rutting Lone Bad Mother, you know,
he's doing that rough and I there and then and
then he'd go back to okay, and he would and
he would pull back because he didn't want to damage
his throat because because he has something going on.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
This is I'm just assuming this is what I would do.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
But but I noticed he pulls back then a little
and goes back into I guess it's safe mode.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
We're gonna say, like a computer, you put it in
a safe mode. Okay, And uh so he has to
coast through a lot of the show.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
So I think that's what he's doing. And he's he's
at least hitting the notes, which is good. You know.
I definitely doesn't sound like some of the old screens,
which I would rather hear to be honest than more
of a false set of ee you know should anees
and you know, I know, in a soft false set
of wee voice because it's such a raw rock song.
But it's just not possible right now, and I'd rather

(36:18):
be there listening to what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
I was able to see the show.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I was actually able to see the man put on
a show and he has a good time doing it.
He's still putting on the show. He's dancing a little,
and he's entertaining. He looks like he's having fun. So
I had fun. I think it's great. More power to him,
you know, And I didn't mind listening to, you know,
him singing a little different. I think if people had
a little more understanding and compassion for that and understood

(36:42):
the job and the demand just a little.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Put a little bit in there, give these guys a break,
you know.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
That's that's what the purpose of these reviews are, you know,
or these these episodes about Axel's voices. It's the perspective
and understanding and not taking away from Okay, you like Chester,
Okay you had that moment on the record, just because
you can't do it live, it shouldn't take away because
you created that moment, no one else did. That's yours forever,

(37:12):
just and so I think that's what also bucks me.
It's like, you're so dismissive of everything else that they've
done just because they.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Are, in fact, they did it once. I mean, just
were able to do that and record it. It's almost
like an actor getting a take and doing his you know,
getting in there doing and they say, Roland doing his
take for the film, and he nails this amazing piece
of film, right, and you're like, the way they acted
right there was incredible. It's the same thing, you know,
and we should just respect it for that, that piece

(37:42):
of art that they created in the moment.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
You're right, But this does bring up the which is
a very valid conversation and argument. Do they shorten the show?
Does he have to Should he adjust his voice so
he's not in safe mode? I don't know. I mean,
they don't need to put on a three hour show.
Who else does that other than Springsteen? They don't need

(38:06):
to do that. Duff, who's probably in the best shape.
Well now that Ian Isaac Carpenter and his abs are,
I don't wonder if him and Duff are gonna have
an ab off one day, but Duff says, because he's
in pain after three hours. You know, I got your
voice or your fingers or you know, Duff sings all that.

(38:28):
So it's a lot. So I just wonder if they're
going to adjust as they continue to get older and
getting in those songs where he doesn't have to do
the falsetto. But it's kind of like, you're damned if
you do, you're damned if you don't, because you need
to have Welcome in the Jungle in there, Welcome to
the jungle in there forever, like you have to, like
you can't certain songs, maybe you can get away with

(38:50):
dropping that's not one of them. Sweet Child is not
one of them.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
So it's just maybe string of medley along is you know,
that would probably be the best way to do it.
But again, like you said, you're damned if you do
or if you don't, because what you just did, you know,
an hour concert forty five minutes because you have to
shorten the set.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
So I think right right now you set this standard,
like what you're not going to do the same as
you did before. You're not going to give me three
hours worth? How dare you? You're going to play only
two hours, and.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
I'll guarantee you Axel doesn't want to do that. I'm beat.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I mean, well, yeah, let me shoot everybody and get
out of here early. So that's why that's where those
guitar solos do a bass solo.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
I don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
You over there with the tambourine and come over and
do something, you know, give me a break, because he
wants to give everybody their money's worth. I believe, you know,
and you know, but but you do have some singers
that probably don't care about that. And I'm not going
to mention the names either, but I've seen a couple
that flat out look like they don't care, and they
don't care if they're singing the words, they don't care,
if they're in key, they almost don't want to be there.

(39:51):
But again, if people are going to pay to go
see them, then don't criticize them afterwards. And you know,
there's a reason they're on the stage stills. People are
going to see them and buying.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
The tickets, you know, right, No, I know, And I
mentioned David Lee Roth. I think what he's doing now
is cool. You know, he's like you mentioned Paul Stanley,
he's doing different things with his voice whatever. He Yeah,
he got the words the other day, but that's always
been daily rob and I think that's just part of
You're not there to check off all the boxer and.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
He never remembered the words.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
It's just part of the experience.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
And it's funny though, the way he says he missed,
I forgotten the damn words.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
You know, he at least plays it off exactly exactly
all of that. And I don't know if that's who
you're alluding to. But I softened my stance because I
would be a hypocrite on Vince Neil. I know there's
a lot of things you could say about him that
people can say, but with the I mean, he was
never like a great singer. He had he had a
fit Motley Crue and that that's it. So I mean

(40:48):
for people to criticize his voice, it's like, then you
never liked Motley Crue, which is fine. Same thing with
with Axel. If you never liked his voice, that's that's fine.
But the reed videos of him, again not trying to
judge too much on a video, but sometimes that's all
you've got. It seems like he's almost going through the motions. Okay,
that's a problem. However, he had recently spoke about he

(41:12):
did this on stage. I ain't I ain't see this
clip until after that he's saying his doctors don't want
him to perform anymore, like they get off the stage.
So it's like, uh so, what health issues is he
going through? So I definitely have Again, Vince has dealt
with a lot of stuff. He's done a lot of stuff.
But there's sympathy there that, Okay, this is somebody. I

(41:34):
don't know what's going on with him, and if people
are there enjoying themselves, go for it. You know. I'm
not gonna I'm not going to be a Vince Neil hater.
I'm not going to criticize his appearance, Axles appearance. I mean,
what what are we doing here? Like, what do we Yeah,
like we're all just walking around like we're all tends.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
That he was going to be.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
In shape the rest of his life and just like
like you're always just supposed to be on a diet
and go to the gym, and I mean that's difficult
to maintain on a daily basis, you know, and do
that all the time, especially with age like you said,
the body changes.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
You can't eat the same foods. You can't.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
You know. I wonder if axel was like because he
looks great now, was like bullied into it because he
looks really good now, because I never considered him. He
was never fat, if you want to call use that
word fat. He was bigger than his twenty year old self.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
He got a little round. That's what I call myself
when I get I'm like, I'm getting around. I need
to I need to jump track again.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Fine, but it wasn't like he. You talk about Elvis,
you could talk about Ban Morrison. So many of these
people they get not even in music. I hate the way,
oh my god, Princess Leo am I forgetting her carry Fisher,
Carrie Fisher. I'll forgive me Carrie. The way she was
treated towards the end, about her physical appearance, it's just
like disgusting.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Oh yeah, that's horrible.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
So you never know what's really going on. So you
know what, if you want to think these things, yeah,
don't talk about why people look. That's how me to
raise my son, and that's how things are going to be.
But you know what if you want to think these things,
because We're programmed like this human beings for whatever. Say
it at home, say it to your wife, my wife
sometimes and I we're all like beaves and butt head
on TV criticizing people. Right, leave it there once you

(43:20):
put it out there. I saw something recently. Uh were
you a fan of the Office? Uh? The American version
Jennif Fisher who played Paint you see. Yeah, I want
to say hi to Tony. Say Hi Tony, Hi there,
how are you Hi?

Speaker 3 (43:39):
How are you today?

Speaker 2 (43:41):
You sing?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Nah? All right.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Now, well now it's potty training, so we're going to
do that before we do any sort of vocal training.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah, that's more important. You don't want to You don't
want to be changing diapers forever.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, one thing at one thing at a time. Uh,
not you. I think he's he's now. This is like
I told you, this is a studio slash play place.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Where was I? I knew this was gonna happen. I
was going off on here's my rants. I didn't want
this to be as long as the first episode, but
it is. Yeah, right, It's just it's the criticize again.
It's just it all boils down to you're not putting it. Uh,
you're not going in thing with blinders. You understand what's
going like? This isn't the same. That is a white car.

(44:31):
That's is a white car you want to see it's right,
it's a white car that looks like a zebra.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
It's not nice.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
This is my future call. Oh by the way, there
was a toddler because I said I'm forty six. He
just needs too right. Is that's why it should change
from Baby Brownstone to there was a toddler or just
baby Brownstone.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, I don't know, that's what. That's a tough one.
You're gonna have to come up with something else, baby right,
I don't know. Okay, Baby Brownstone is gonna work for
a while.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Actually, now I remember some people online were like, you
named your kid after that's song about Heroin. No, his
name is Harrison Rex. Baby Brownstone just a fun radio name.
So with the office.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
So again, those goddamn people online, what's wrong with them?

Speaker 4 (45:11):
I know?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
But this is on addressing. This is what this is for.
The Pam really aged poorly. She had cancer. Bro, she
had cancer and she looks great and she doesn't look
The office aired twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
What are we doing yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Red Car, thank you, buddy, Bunny.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I think a lot of these people are probably young still,
they don't understand that even getting gaining weight, like we
were talking about Kerry Fisher and Vincent Neil and all
these guys, it's hard to eat chicken and vegetables every
fucking day. I mean really, you know you're talking about it.
That's where I'm at. I can't have anything. I have
a little bit of chocolate every now and again, and
I might say, let's party with a hamburger, and I
feel guilty going out and I have a hamburger.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
I can't eat any.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Of those old foods that I used to and that's boring.
So imagine these guys they're doing this tour. They're out,
they can only get food that's around them. They can't
cook healthy at home or anything. And just for anybody,
it's hard to just just not go out and need
a restaurant every now and again, you know, or to
get out and eat something other than proteins and veggies,
you know. So it's hard to stay in shape like that.

(46:14):
And the Internet, I think was so I remember when
it first came out, If you remember getting on there,
you were you know, you wouldn't say half of this
shit in person. Nobody would probably say this in person
to another person, but when they get online, and that's
how it began. I mean, when the internet started, you
were respectfully You're like, oh, I had to race that.
I don't want to say so. I don't want to
sound too rude because everybody still had manners. You Yeah,

(46:38):
give a shit, They're just like fuck it, I'll say whatever.
You know, there's their profile picture and who they are
and everything. They don't care. It kind of blows me
away because I still can't get in there and rip
somebody a new asshole or shame them for what they
look like.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I just it's rude, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, I felt even a little guilty. I posted the
other day. It was speaking of birthdays. Roger Water's birthday.
Oh yeah, I was like, Roger Waters turns eighty two,
he can go f himself. I said the word, and
it was mainly just towards It was just for I know,
there's a lot of things about Roger Waters and his opinions,
but it was more about just what he said about Ozzie. Yeah,
I felt I felt bad about that. I'm like, how

(47:13):
are people going to respond to this, and overall people
were with me. But it was just like, I don't
I don't feel good about that, So I think that.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Was kind of appropriate. That was.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
For him to say that, I know, say it to
Ozzie's face when he's alive, and.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Then that's just bad timing. Bro. You could at least
wait it along, you know, a lot longer.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Right, So a lot of these things are just if
you feel this way about Axel, say it to his face,
I don't go to a show, or you're going to
be that one guy on a g n R fan
page or something and says this sucks. You know, be
gives it, but that sucks. It sucks it. It doesn't suck.
It may not be for you, but does it really suck?
I mean, that's so well.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
I don't any of them do it do it as well,
and they'll go vocalist to sting or fucking shut up,
you know. I mean, imagine if they were doing their
job and you get you came in and started telling
them what they're doing. Look the way you're building that
brick wall, that mortar looks like shit, Oh you should
just pack, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
And these guys have been maybe the guy's old. You know.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
I had a guy who was seventy two building my wall.
I hired him to do my wall, and I was
almost felt guilty because he was seventy two out there
work and lifting these bricks.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
I thought, are you And I went out there you
need water? Are you okay? I almost wanted to help them,
but he goes, no, this is the way I keep young.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
This is the way I do it. And he was slow.
He probably didn't do it like he was in his
twenty in his twenties. But you know, you don't criticize
somebody you know doing the job like that, especially if
you can't do it. I can't build a wall. I
don't know mine would look like it would look horrible
when I was done.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
So I'm looking at Chris, you know, so most of
these guys can't sing, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Is my point is like you haven't even attempted to
sing or like you said, go see him live, Yet
you're online and you're going to type up how horrible
these people are your review.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
You know, we should all be so lucky to do
what we love for as long as possible. And it's
the same kind of criticism I'll get sometimes and I'll
probably because Harrison's had enough. Look at this. He put
an entire racetrack on my look.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
At it, and then he brought the car to you
on top of it.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Man, the car is we're having a whole race over here.
But sometimes when I get especially in something like my
Alan Niven interviews, the way he speaks versus the way
I speak about let him talk, you know, you're you're
cutting him off or some other interviews. While I admit
I sometimes do have an interrupting problem because I'm very excitable,

(49:34):
also that's how conversations happen. Yeah, you know, it's just
you have a normal conversation. You don't know when the
other person's going to stop and start, or sometimes that
person is looking for the right word or to say,
you're trying to angle a conversation another direction, because it's
a podcast, not an actual you know, right, well, you

(49:55):
want to shape it right so people don't know. It's
not just opening the mic, and so it's kind of
I want to say that, And obviously there's a lot
more that goes to singing. So it's and I I
which I don't even know personally about, but I still
get that, that concept. So that's what that's what frustrates me.
It's not about, hey, Axel sounds and looks everything is

(50:16):
the same. Nothing to see here, nothing. It's not that.
It's perspective again, that word perspective, and let's enjoy it
while we can, because we're only getting bits and pieces
of Stephen Tyler now right. It would have been that guy.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Oh my god, that guy sounded the way he does.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
He's like, oh, he's been through whatever he's been through,
surgeries or sickness, and he's like, I don't know if
I can do it anymore.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
And then he comes out and screams the dream on screen.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I go, what the but for five minutes? But for
five minutes? So you mentioned axles and safe mode. Could
Axel do that for five minutes and then know that, Okay,
I'm gonna be fucked for the next two months, you.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
So I don't know what when Steven's next performance. So,
I mean, we don't know that if Axel sings the
way he's you know, quote unquote supposed to sink three hours.
I mean, couldn't you have like a bloody throat by
the end of the night. I mean in the wa
awake and then he's done, and then he's done.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
So you guys couldn't even do it back in the
in the twenties.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
If you look at this kid, Because when I was
doing tributes and I've done a Guns N' Roses tribute,
I've done a Kiss tribute, I was Paul Stanley, Motley
crue As, Vince Neil. All the guys were talking about,
which is crazy, Brian Adams, so you're the guy to
talk to well, and you know what, Yeah, I guess
so because it was I would look up like, how

(51:36):
did they do it live? Because I'm trying to do
it like the album and I'm like, fuck, this is demanding.
So I would look. I would go and look it
up live and see maybe they made some adjustment. How
did they get through the song? Did they do it
the same? And most of the time I'd go, oh, okay,
they didn't do it exactly like the album either. And
you know, some guy like Sebastian Bach, some of the
screams he was doing, he had trouble with even in

(51:57):
his twenties doing that afterwards. If you look up some
of the live stuff that and he even says it
he was like, man, it's you know, it's hard and
it's really frustrating. When he said when I can't do
my job, and that's absolutely right. All of these singers
want to be able to.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Do their job. Bon Jovi a great example on his documentary.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
He's almost like you can see him wanting to break
into tears, going I just can't do it, and I
couldn't imagine doing that. I mean, you know, I haven't
gone through what those guys have gone through night after night.
I have decades of that. You know, I play out
quite a bit, but not like that, So I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Imagine totally demanding. That's why I would onlike, because you
get it. It's the vocal coaches, the YouTube vocal coaches
that don't, Oh, you could do it great. You've been
on tour for thirty years, all around the world and
playing a lot of thousands of people. Don't share quarterback
armshare clicker.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I recently saw one I'm not going to name his name,
but he's very well known vocal coach, and I recently
saw only a clip of a live jam where they
were doing music together.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Was promoted everywhere.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
They're going to do this big jam they do it,
and there's only one little clip, and I could tell
the guy was struggling, and it wasn't even the hard
part of the song. And I don't know if he
toots his own horn. I don't know the guy, so
I'm not going to judge him like that. But I
just all I know is if you're a vocal coach
and you're you're judging somebody else, I don't know what
kind of vocal coach you would be if you can't

(53:22):
understand at least put yourself in that guy's shoes and
try to understand what they're going through, and you've got
to criticize and put him down like that.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
I don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
So well. I hope in today's conversation we're letting people
know just what these guys I mean, we don't know.
I don't know Axel personally and John bon Jovin personally, obviously,
but these are these are human beings that we've became
a fan of for a variety of reasons, and as
we all get older, so do they, And why should

(53:50):
we stop being fans and why should they stop doing
what they're doing? So I think it's just all perspective
and enjoy this music while we can, because one day
it's gonna be gone and I'm gonna have to tell
Harrison about and John.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Ozzy Osbourne is one of them, Like that guy's been
around forever and now.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
It's gone now, So.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
It's a weird world without them.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
You're never gonna hear Ozzy for president anymore, you know.
So I agree, bullies, leave it the fuck alone. Let
the fans have it, you know what I mean, Let
them have it, Let us have our time, let us
enjoy it, and just leave the guys alone.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Go listen to your music.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yeah, go listen to your auto tune stuff.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, your tracks and shit, right, which.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Is just today's music. So I guess today's artists will
last because they their their programs will last.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, as long as they have their flaptops, they'll be good.
And I don't keep updating with us anymore.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Like you watch somebody, they're actually just up there pretending
to sing the song. It's like a play and they're
not even saying the lines. It's just I mean, I
don't understand. There's absolutely zero entertainment value for.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Me on that.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I know. I can't so that's why we have the
conversation as we think about yesteryear, which I don't want
to live in thistalogia too much, but uh, you know,
these bands are still in the present, so I guess
I'm not living, you know, completely in the past. So uh,
just thanks for your time, Tony. I really appreciated your
your insight. And again you're reaching out. Uh do you
still hear Harrison in the background, or is it Mike

(55:16):
cutting out here?

Speaker 3 (55:17):
You do, it's a little bit.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yeah, it's not loud, Okay, not bad at all. You
got your MIC's working there. It's directional right, I think
it's working keeping the rest of the noise as.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Long as it's because it's Queen's You never know, they
could be sirens going off or construction as long as
a little two year old boy. That's that's okay.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, no, thank you so much for having me on.
I appreciate it. It was great to get a chance
to talk to you about that. And you know, it
was something that bothers me every time I read it
or I see it too, so when I started. So
I'd love to get on here and if anybody needs
vocal coaching, I'm available.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Look up Tony noise. I'll I'll help right on. You're
touring like those guys, I don't know if I could
help you. That's a rough one.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I'll put all your information in the in the summary
and uh. And if you go to assuming gn R tour,
there's the North America again. And if you get to
play Arizona, you go to a show, come back on
and then we'll do a review. I got to go
back to doing review episodes. I ain't have the time
this year, but I said, and I'll say it on
the first part of this actual voice review, and I'll

(56:15):
say it again here. Listen to the fans that go.
I've had fans on this show that go that are
as honest as Tony is that it's not you know,
it's not nineteen eighty seven, it's not nineteen ninety one.
But they have so much fucking fun and they would
go again. And that's what the point of this is.
It's rock and roll. This isn't science, it's not math.

(56:36):
It's rock. Let's us go and enjoy and rock out.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Oh, I'll in heart the moment, you know, I mean,
you're in the moment of it. That's what's all we
really have not this recorded? Bullshit?

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Are you going there to record a clip or you
go in there to actually live in the moment inside
in the crowd in the stadium with that guy and
this band on stage.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Come on, I'm trying to teach Harrison how to do
the metal horns thumbs up. He doesn't ever do it.
He's just like looking at this hands like what he
looks like.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
To get him to try, and get him to try,
Let's see how he does.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I wanted to do a rock and roll come here here, buddy.
It was funny when he was doing thumbs up. He
kept putting up the pointer finger. All right, can you
do thumbs up?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Thumbs up?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
You see thumbs up?

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Cool dude?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Can you cool?

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Now, can you do rock and roll?

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Rock and roll? Rocking roll?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
You put these fingers down and you put these He
can't do it. He's just like he wants. He gives
me his hand. Oh see, okay, let's do rock and
roll roll. Fingers down and there it is up. Yeah,
got it, rocking roll devil.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
That's great. He's like, okay, cool, let's play cards dad.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Well, thanks, Tony, But I can't wait to think of
a better way to end the episode. So that does
it for this episode of Appetite for Distortion. When will
we see the next one? In the words of Axl
Rose concerning Chinese democracy, I don't know as soon as
the word, but you'll see it.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Thanks to the lame ass security. I'm going home.