"Guns N' Roses at 40" with author Martin Popoff | Ep. 509

Acclaimed rock journalist and author Martin Popoff joins. His latest offering, "Guns N' Roses at 40" is a fun, photo-filled journey that covers virtually every aspect of the "world's most dangerous band." Appetite to current day, let's celebrate 40 years of G N F'N R!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, yes is Appetite for Distortion.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion, episode number five
hundred and nine. My name is Branda. Welcome to the
podcast from the Great White North, as we refer to
it as here in the States. I believe Martin popoff.
How are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, dude, okay, thanks for having me. Good good to
join you and talk to us talk about some guns.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, it's an honor to talk, yes, to talk about
guns and roses with you. But you are an acclaimed author,
you know, over one hundred books, you know, even more
just artracles and reviews over the history of your career.
So you were doing this well before everybody was doing this, right.
I mean I say it as somebody who has a

(01:13):
podcast now, and at least I can kind of hang
my hat on. I come from radio, you know. But
everybody in their mother is a podcast. Everybody and their
mother is as a book critic, you know. But you
you really cut your cloth so old school. So before
we get into guns n' Roses at forty, because I
want to get into it if you're watching on zoom,

(01:35):
I've been so grateful to be gifted that we're gonna
go through it like it's gonna be like Show and
Tell it's gonna be. But I want to learn more
about Martin a little bit, to be honest with you.
Canadian d I know, and I sometimes I talk about it,
and she was very real my Canadian girlfriend. But she
was from Ottawa your Toronto, right or is that there?

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I be remiss if I didn't get some anger out
towards the Maple Leafs as an Islanders fan in John Tavaris,
And maybe I should, I should digress and not talk
about that. But how did you start doing this when
it wasn't in vogue for everybody to review? And what age?
I would just learn more about young Martin. How I started, you.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Know, pretty late actually, well pretty early as a music fan.
I'd say I was probably six seven years old, nineteen
sixty nine, nineteen seventy, just getting into music. And there
was there was a brief fora with the Columbia Record
Club there, but soon soon after so that was like
I don't know, Three Dog Night, Creeden's Clearwater Revival, Steppenwolf,
but pretty soon it was Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Nazareth, bto

(02:44):
Deep Purple, you know who else would have been in there.
Rush eventually I got you know, the first Rush album
was a new release, the first Kiss album was a
new release. So crazy music fan by the time, you know,
I was eleven or twelve years old, and then really
I didn't go into the indore or anything, you know,
zoom forward through university and work and all that stuff.

(03:04):
Grew up in a small town Trail, BC, but moved
to Toronto, I think around nineteen eighty nine, and eventually
we had we had a business, a desktop publishing is
what they used to call it, like a graphics layout,
print broken kind of thing. So familiar with the idea
of making books a little bit. That kind of helped.

(03:26):
But what I ended up doing is I started writing
a book of record reviews, just to get everything straight,
you know, all the connections between bands and all that.
And so I did a self published book in ninety three.
And then what got me going was I met Tim Henderson.
He was running the metal department at the flagship hm
V store in Toronto. He started a magazine called Brave

(03:46):
Words and Bloody Knuckles. So right off the bat, we
you know, the first issues were assembled on my photocopier
and so right off the bat ninety four ninety five,
I started doing a lot of review use, getting free CDs,
interviewing rock stars. So I was thirty before I started
into this.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, that's still very cool path you're seeing ninety five.
I don't know why. It just flew into my head.
Just was Windows ninety five and how primitive everything was
compared to today. But you're seeing photo copying stuff into
the elegendary Canadian the Heavy Metal magazine. It is special.
So when did you make that decision too? And because

(04:28):
you have quite the resume now to say this is
going to be my life, this is I want to review,
I love music. How do I make this my path
in life?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, that happened in the year two thousand, So a
lot of tidiness here, right. So the year two thousand,
you know, we had that business and we're running it.
It was just myself and a co partner. We both
worked from home. We had one employee. But you know
those lines bisect eventually where you go, man if I
spent eight or ten hours a day at this hobby

(04:58):
because that's all I was. I was. You know, you're
in this business, you're basically like a like a glorified
it's like you're running a fan club, right, or everybody's
a DJ, right. I mean all our main purpose is
like we love pushing music on people. Right. So in
the year two thousand is when you know, my partner
was going to move. He was from South Africa originally

(05:19):
he moved to New Zealand and he was setting up
this big move. So what ended up happening is we
sold the business and I went full time with Tim
Henderson while on the magazine, so I was like the
editor in chief of the magazine and he was the boss.
And so two thousand went completely full time. So the
book started accelerating at that point. It helps, you know,

(05:40):
it helps me a fast writer. It helps to have
a lot of a lot of interviews. So by that
point I had to interviewed lots and lots of people.
And now at this point it's about I don't know
two thousand interviews that I've done, but that's when the
books really started accelerating. And so yeah, now it's twenty
twenty five, so I've been doing a full time for
twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I mean it's remarkable. Do you remember your your first interview?
And I would imagine you would.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah it.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know, there is there a difference between first interview
and first interview of quote significance. I guess it's a
way to say it.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
No, because the first interview was of major significance. It
was Trent Reznor when he was absolutely hot. It was
during the fragile and I was writing for Mike Smith
who was running Live Wire magazine out of New York,
so I was writing a lot for him on the
side as well. So I believe that was the first
interview period. I don't know. No, that couldn't have been

(06:37):
the first interview period because although that was ninety four,
so it was really my first year ever doing this it. Yeah,
I could have picked up with Mike even before I
started doing any interviews with Brave Words. I remember I
also wrote the bio for Kim Mitchell Itch and I
remember that being a super super early interview, so whenever

(06:57):
that came out as well, Yeah, it's I could go
back to that. See our magazine we ran from we
ran from ninety four to two thousand and eight, I think,
and we had one hundred and eight issues eventually, right,
So yeah, might it might not have had an interview
in that first second, maybe even third. It's a good question.

(07:18):
Maybe because he knew a lot of other guys that
were doing stuff. Maybe I was just doing reviews. And
but yeah, I do remember the Trent Reznor because the
way I used to do interviews back then is I
don't know if you know this, but if you plug,
if you plug a pair of headphones into the mic
jack of your cassette deck, it acts as in a microphone, right,

(07:38):
I don't. I don't know how I learned that, So
I would I would. I would answer the phone downstairs
and quickly say, okay, just got to set up, you know,
and be really freaked out about doing this, and I
take the phone receiver and elastic bandit around the muff
of the headphone and hit hit record and run upstairs

(07:58):
to my other phone and can interview that way. So
that was always nerve acting. But yeah, and I was.
I remember being very nervous. But then you know, he
turned out to be a super nice guy and put
me at ease. But yeah, that was a big one
right off the bat.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, for sure, I still remember. I've talked about it
a few times. Bumblefoot was my first official radio one,
and I was lucky enough to get him on the
podcast finally. But I all those years ago in Cape
Cod Radio. But you mentioned a couple of things I'm
gonna want to jump off. I like the fact that
you said you were nervous, because I readily admit I'm

(08:33):
nervous all the time. You know, whether it's an Alice Cooper,
David Stayin. Honestly, Martin, even talking to you, I have,
there's some jitters until we start getting into it.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's why I share my life and it's kind of
like I'm connecting with the guests at the same time.
That's how I bring my anxiety down during an interview.
I'm a unique interviewer. So is that something that ever
goes away for you because there are musicians though.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, I'm always nervous, and even more so these days
because now I feel like I've lost my sense of
confidence because I don't do it as often. Oh wow,
so I've got I've got I think it's tomorrow. I
think I've got Steve Jones tomorrow. And I'm super nervous
for that one, right, sex pistols, Right, because I remember
being nervous with Johnny Rotten. Well, he's somebody.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Is he somebody to be a little nervous around if
you're not hip to his uh you know his sense
of were.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Because you know, he because my voice went higher and hired.
He goes, oh, settle day, Yeah you're safe, you're talking
so high, settled down. It's just me kt to thing.
So I remember that one always because he noticed I
was nervous too, right, But yeah, I feel I feel
I'm I'm re nervous all over again over the in
the last two or three years because I do way
less than I used to in like the late nineties,

(09:46):
early two thousands.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, I respect that mightily is somebody who you know,
I'm twenty years in the business. I still I feel
like I'm pale in comparison to what you've done. Is
because it's it's the truth. That's that's the way I've
always been. I always pay respects to been there before.
And it's like, does this ever go away? So when
you hear someone like Slash say that he gets butterflies still,

(10:09):
I'm like, Okay, it's not just a me thing. It's
not something I always have to talk about it in therapy.
But the segue more so into the guns and Roses worldwide.
We're here today not all about Martin, even though I
am fascinated by your life. Is you mentioned your first
interview Resnor, so I want to use that as a
jumping off point. I love doing these on this day thing,

(10:31):
and I'll do this research and is a great database
called Appetite four discussion. It's not Appetite for distortion. But
I'm glad I named the podcast that would have been weird.
So I found this article from ninety five interview with
Trent in Kerrang saying that Axel wanted to work with
him and Izzy was temporarily in the band back in

(10:53):
ninety five, something I had never heard of before. Point being,
I've been doing this podcast for nine of the four years,
and I feel like I still don't know enough. I
feel like this is so much about guns Roses. I
don't understand. How did you even approach this book and
attack it because this is probably one of the most
complicated histories in the history of rock and roll? Or

(11:14):
am I biased because there are so many side stories
and you cover everything, you cover it.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Let I just say that, yeah, you're right, I mean,
and it was it was a daunting task. I mean,
first of all. So the framework of the book I've
done before because the idea and this wasn't my idea.
This is the great publisher. I love working with these
guys because they come up with some of these concepts
for books that we've repeated many times. Right. So I
did Bowie at seventy five, I did ACDC at fifty,

(11:41):
Kiss at fifty, Van Halen at fifty. Right. And the
concept is is we want you to write encapsulated short
form kind of you know, action packed articles. Or it's
it's me thinking they have to be action packed, because
it's because I'm always going way over the word count
and pairing it down to what it is. But it's
it's a coming up with a chronological bunch of short,

(12:04):
little pieces that are career highlights of a band. Right,
And and you're right, guns n' Roses is a funny one.
And you know the nice thing is is you know
I I can propose and they want anyways some sidebars.
So we've got a sidebar and here of you know,
guns n' Roses, are they hair metal or not? Kind
of sidebar. We've got a Yeah, there's the book. I

(12:27):
don't even have my copy yet, so I haven't seen
a finished printed copy.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I get a finished copy before the author.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yes, yes you do.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
How is that legal?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I don't know. But there's one on the on the
solo projects, and there's a full sidebar on Appetite for Destruction.
But yeah, it's it's a bunch of career highlights. And
you're right, it's a complicated history because there's a lot
of secrecy that goes on. There's a lot of band
breakups and reunions. I learned so many things along the way,

(13:00):
you know, like literally, you know, I never really quite
had it perfectly in my mind. There you go, it's
full color throughout, Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I wouldn't be good on same street.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, it's very a cool timeline. We've been putting those
in these books ever since, which is essentially matches the
table of contents. But uh yeah, just kind of going
through everything. But you know, even even just all the
uh you know, I never never really sat down and
really thought about, Okay, are they on tour this year,
next year, the next year, who's in the band this year?

(13:33):
So like it's constantly the band lineups were changing all
the time, and uh, I I honestly, I'm I'm actually probably.
I've been thinking about this yesterday. Uh yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's well, I'm showing as you're talking. I mean, you're
really covering every decade, every phase of the band, revolver.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Lay everything out and yeah, you know, complicated early history, yeah,
every all that stuff. Yeah, and uh so, so I'm
probably probably gonna do a because I know, I argue
this a little bit throughout because I always get my
backup when people say, you know, how how how short
the catalog is? Right, And and I'm going to do

(14:14):
an actual little show for our video show, the Contrarians
and go over all the different number of albums Guns
n' Roses has, right from one up to May. I'm
going to see if I could fill in all the
gaps from one all the way to ten and see
if I could, you know, you know, let you know,
argue that the catalog is this length kind of thing, right,

(14:35):
because yeah, it's such a weird it's such a weird catalog.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
It's one that started out before they were in Guns
and Roses. I mean, and that's something that I appreciate
about your book because it's something that I try to
do and I do do on this podcast is talk
about every single I they where do they come from?
With la Guns and going back to Indiana and the

(15:00):
roots of it all. So what goes into it? You
have all these little short articles or is it something
that are you going back to all the interviews like
what is what can kind of what fills up this
book and what kind of what were you saying?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, So one of my favorite things is coming
up with the forty to begin with, right, and all
the other ones have been fifty and like I say,
the Bowie was seventy five. So the neat thing is
I really enjoy coming up with all of the forty pieces.
And then what happens is myself and Dennis. You know,
he usually chucks a couple out or adds a couple
in or what about this? And he's thinking all the

(15:36):
time because he does an excellent, excellent job. We're collaborating
on this, but he is the prime driver of kind
of sorting out pictures for a lot of these situations.
And he's he's so good at saying, you know, I
want I want to add pictures. You know, people haven't
seen that many times before and that kind of stuff. Right,
So sometimes when he's thinking of you know, maybe replace

(15:57):
that that career highlight moment with something else. He's thinking,
I can't get pictures for that, right, I remember going
through that with the kiss one a little bit, right,
So that's the fun thing. And then something I know,
this was my idea I started doing this. I also like,
you know, this is a tradition going back to the
first one of these I did, where I pick a

(16:19):
song title and match it up to the chapter heading.
And you know, there's usually a little insider joke that
if you're a fan, you understand why it's called that
or whatever. Right, So yeah, picking and moving those around
and trying to make as many of them fit as
good as possible is always fun too. And then yeah,
so anytime I write a book, you know, there's a

(16:43):
lot of there's a lot of using the available press,
using the true factoid story of what actually happened, you know,
all the dates and places and stuff, and then hopefully
having some of my own interview footage to massage in
all over the place, right, sprinkle in like he does.
So it's like, Okay, I'm actually literally bringing something new

(17:03):
to the table. And also all my own opinions and
my own reviewing and and so I don't pull pull
punches particularly, and I think I write at a level
where I'm assuming some level of fandom that people are
going to know what I'm talking about without explaining things
too much, because again, I don't have a lot of
word count per section, right, and everything has to fit.

(17:24):
Everything has to fit two page sections or four page
sections or eight page sections. So every single thing in
there has, you know, a word count range that I
have to hit.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I mean, it's so tough. And you talk about the
I mean, these are beautiful pictures. I mean I go
through pictures, guns, roses, and pictures literally every day. I
didn't think that I did that at a fun I
didn't think I would be doing that kind of like
because it's a hobby, you know, a hobby. I maybe
make a few bucks off of YouTube whatever. But I
see ones that I don't often see, you know, I don't.
I don't often see that one of act excuse me

(17:55):
up at Izzy and Slash, but you know it's funny.
This is that famous picture of of GNR with the
rolling stones, right, And I found an article of why
Slash wasn't in that picture because he was quote too
stoned to take a picture with the stones. So that's
why I love the history of guns and roses. So
maybe what are some of your favorite moments, is like

(18:16):
as a fan and as somebody who's covered them, I
don't know who have you interviewed over the years, some
special GNR moments in your own personal life?

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, you know, I do remember the hype around when
the Use Your Use Your Illusion albums came out. And
I probably mentioned this in the book somewhere, but I remember,
you know, taking time off work because I was self employed. Anyways,
but going downtown and Toronto, you know, this was the

(18:46):
this was the absolute glory years of physical product right,
and Toronto has this this situation where there were a
cluster of of the big, mega, the massive stores all
in one place at Young and Dundask Toronto. Right. We
had we had the big Sam, the Record Man, we
had an A and A, we had a Sunrise, a
few used stores, Vinyl Museum, I remember, I think I

(19:09):
think we had a tower at one point. I think
maybe we met a Virgin Records at one point. But anyways,
the massive stores were down there, and and the two
the two main dueling stores is uh uh you you
bought you went to h m V and if you
bought Use your Illusion one you got Used Your Illusion
to free, and then across the street if you bought

(19:33):
one or the other you got a free T shirt.
That was kind of cool. Yeah, So so I went
with the high value. I want both albums. I remember
doing that. Other than that, you know, highlights for me,
I haven't been to that many shows. I'm famously a

(19:54):
cranky guy when it comes to concerts. I just don't
care about concerts very much. Tim and I a joke
that you know when when we're at a show, you know,
when we're running the magazine, we're in the business and stuff.
You'd go to a show and you know, four or
five songs in you were you were you were watching
for the excuses exits, to see how can I get
out of here with the least amount of people seeing

(20:15):
that I've left, right.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
No judgment, no judgment, Yeah, all that.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
All that stuff, you know, and just being you know,
it's shows don't line up with my drinking schedule, right,
I like, I like to drink early, like four or
five o'clock on an empty stomach before I eat anything
like after I eat. I have no desire to drink anymore.
So concerts just don't line up with that right anyway.
So I have seen guns n' roses, Oh boy, man,

(20:41):
I I don't think it's more than twice. And it
may even be hang on, would it be once? Would
it be twice? It's either once or twice, and and
it's not three times. And uh, but highlights for me
would be having interviewed the guys here and there a
little bit. Never interviewed Axel, but I've interviewed Slash a

(21:03):
few times. Slash was gracious enough to be in my
uh Judas Priest album by album book for the same publisher.
We do these books where I go, uh, we go
through all the studio albums and we and I do
a Q and A with you know, try to get
some famous people and then buddies of mine who are
just super fans of of these bands, who are maybe

(21:26):
in my business right, So so those are always a
mix of rock stars and and whatever and and you know, journalists,
I suppose. But yeah, Slash was in my priest one
and and uh yeah, I interviewed him and Duff and
met them, met the guys a few times, and uh,
I don't know, not not much else than that Tom
Tommy Stinson is it Let's see yeah, just uh, let's see.

(21:51):
Duff met Matt, definitely met Matt Velvet Revolver. I remember
being backstage with Velvet Revolver, being in a press conference
situation with Slash as well. So yeah, just a few
interviews here and there, but all that footage was helpful
to have that I can pop into place and in
places throughout throughout this thing. So yet, not a lot

(22:16):
of super highlights. I remember when I remember when Appetite
for Destruction came out, got my vinyl copy right here.
But you know, as as I argue in a whole
section in that book, you know, I just felt like
it was a an above average hair metal album. I
didn't think it was changing anything. It was just like
you know, I I've coined these terms over the years,

(22:37):
dirty hair metal or bluesy hair metal, right and Guns
N' Roses just were another another one of these bands.
It just happened to be a quite good album of this,
of this whole scene. But I didn't think it was
like caused some massive grounds. It certainly didn't cause grunge
or anything, but you know, it might have caused a
few hair metal bands to get better. I think it

(23:00):
did that. I think it inspired the scene and shifted it.
You know, it was going this way and it just
went a little that way. But to me, this has
always been a hair metal album. Okay, I've changed my
opinion to that, So yeah, I suppose I've just been
kind of following along the whole time as a as
a fan, but not the biggest fan in the world.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I respect that you don't need to be. I've always
said that to be on this podcast. I mean, what's
the whole point of music if we can't join back
and forth. I mean, I would never really want to
talk to somebody who's just going to say they suck.
For you know, half an hour, sixty minutes, no conversation
could be really be had. But what's great when I've
been able to do, whether it's interview someone like an

(23:42):
author like you, or somebody who's been in the band
past president or a fan, is you come into the
fandom and a certain time in your life. By the way,
I don't know, do you hear that piano going on? Nope,
there's a piano that goes up randomly. Alexa stop, Alexa

(24:04):
randomly went off. Wow, they're listening.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I don't know if your mike even picks it up
too right.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
It did either way. But baby Brownstone's yelling in the back,
you know it's it's it is crazy.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I don't hear anything.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
It is crazy. I swear it's like I live in
Guns of Roses craziness. But it's all about life perspective.
And I guess like I could bounce off that. You know,
I'm forty. I'm forty two in September. First time dad.
You know, Guns and Roses really were broken up at
the time I really had my formative years because I
think about that with my my son, you know, you

(24:37):
want to they're like a sponge now, of course, but
they're not going to remember anything. So when do I
really remember becoming a fan of music and Guns of
Roses were already broken up. No, remember Rain is my
favorite song for that reason because it's that era, so
it on MTV. But I know there are fans, old
school fans that may not what's with this orchestra, the
backup singers. So I would never take your opinion or

(24:59):
try to chain, you know, away from you. So I
would think it is interesting that you look at it
as just a above average hair metal band, because you
hear it all the time that people lacks poetic about appetite.
So it's a bit refreshing to be honest with you,
that you stuck with that. You don't have any sort
of a revisionist history. You're not trying to sugarcoat anything,

(25:20):
So I appreciate that. I respect Also it made O
the bands better, but it's a I can't take that
away from you, you know, if that's what you view
hair metal. And I don't want to look at hair
metal as a bad term either, because there are a
lot of So what do you look at that term
is because it's still the term is still looked at
somebody just it's poison. It's whatever you saw in the

(25:43):
Decline of Western Civilization Part two, you know. And Guns
and Roses, interestingly, we're going to be at the end
of that episode. Excuse me, you have that documentary. But
they got Megadeth instead and Penelvies Spears because Guns a
Rose decided not to do it. I don't know if
that's in your book or not, because Alan Niven decide
I did, that's not the path we want to go,
So they didn't want to be viewed how you viewed them,

(26:06):
like hair metal.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, but yeah, it's interesting. You know, there's a lot
of bands that didn't want to be viewed that. And
you know, it took us years to get any interviews
with the cult because they didn't even want to be
called heavy metal. Right. We went through with the magazine.
We went through an entire decade where bands wouldn't talk
to us because they didn't even want to just be
called heavy metal, right, because heavy metal was you know,

(26:27):
had had such a low opinion. I love hair metal.
I was there for all of it entirely, and I
was into most of those bands. You know, by eighty three,
I was twenty years old exactly. That's when hair metal starts.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And that's when I was born fourth.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Okay, and you know, so by the time Appetite for
Destruction comes out, I have thousands of albums, and I
know in the Encyclopedia encyclopedic nut of all this stuff, right.
I love all forms of heavy metal, and I know
a lot about Progue and I've been a drummer and
we played in the band briefly in the whole bit, right.

(27:03):
But it's funny you get up to eighty seven, eighty eight,
and now hair Metals, you know, right in the mature phase.
It's got, it's got about four years to go. So
so this this album comes right in the middle of
hair metal and uh and yeah, it's uh, it's it's
frankly no Sound Garden. It doesn't it doesn't change things
in a huge way. They're they're they're they're the Dirty.

(27:26):
There's already bands that are that are Aerosmith inspired, and
they're just another one that comes around. I think this
album gets so much praise because of the insanity of
how many copies it's sold. That just it just dominated,
and the band dominated forever and the and the and
they were always in the headlines and that. But you know,

(27:46):
at the same time you had you had your Faster
pussy Cat and your cats and Boots and your La
Guns and and Poison was gonna pivot and and Warrant
would pivot with dogg Eat Dog and skid Row would
come along and they would pivot on their second album,
you had bad Lands would I would even go so
far as to say I'm a bigger bad Lands and

(28:07):
Love Hate fan than I am of Guns N' Roses.
I think I think the greatest album that ever came
out of the hair metal scene is Love Hates Wasted
in America nineteen ninety two, and it happens to be
a very Guns n' Roses derived album. I think that's
the one thing about it that that is the only
thing about it, because I think it's an absolute masterpiece.

(28:28):
I think that's the only thing about it that's that's
a little bit to its detriment that you definitely feel
that Guns n' Roses influence on it.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
And just like with Gen R, you can hear the
influence of what created them with the Aerosmith combining that
with the hair metal. But I don't think you can
deny the impact. And this is why I was okay
with doing a Guns and Roses podcast, all right. I
had no idea I'd be doing this nine years later.
It was for fun, you know, being in radio. I

(29:00):
wasn't getting my creative ch at the time and being
able to still do it. And why Gen R just
because they're my favorite band, No, because I can talk
to my Son's going to know, as sweet child, the
mind is, He's going to know you can't deny the
impact of that song. Welcome to the Jongle, Paradise City.
The visual look of Axel and Slash, I think speaks

(29:25):
volumes of just who they are because they work more
than just guys. They were caricatures. People dress up as
them for Halloween still, so I think it's those things
add into Yeah, I totally again respect and of course
I'll have listeners that will not like your opinion. And
I say, be easy on Martin. This is a Guns

(29:46):
and Roses centric channel. I understand that, but we all
love here. He didn't say he hates them. Let's pump
the brakes. And I'm saying this on a taped podcast,
but I'm just I'm pretty emptibly just saying that. But
just it's those things that you can talk about Guns
of Roses at forty and with we go back to

(30:06):
their not the longest discography. Well let's talk about let's
switch to pivot too, because we can stay and talk
about Appetite forever in the era. What do you consider
them as a band, because they certainly pivoted with lies.
You know, I know a out of it was half
of it was already done, but just as a different

(30:27):
approach to making music. Of course, use your illusion and
Chinese democracy and whatever they're releasing, they've released since the reunion,
how do you even pigeonhole them into anything? Is Appetite, Yeah, yeah,
like Appetite his own planet and Guns and Roses is
just yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's it's such a strange catalog. And I also get
my backup when people, you know, there are a lot
of Guns and Roses fans who really start putting down
even use your illusion one and two compared to Appetite,
because they're just blinded by the greatness of Appetite. And
it is great. I mean, what I love about this
band is that, like, first of all, just before we
leave Appetite, it's like the production is amazing. It's gritty

(31:08):
yet it's perfect, and it's it's a conservative but really good,
hard hitting production. I love. I love the drumming on it,
that kind of push pull quality. It's a long album,
it's an ambitious album. It goes to a lot of places.
Slash as a guitarist is so hard to kind of describe,
but I just love what he does, and he absolutely
does of his own sound, and but it's his own

(31:31):
sound in the way that that it's it. There's no
like cheap adjectives that you could apply to it like
you could to other guitarists with their own sound. I
think with him, it's just this kind of he seems
so connected to the guitar. It's it's like he's strangling
the heck out of the guitar. There's a there's a
little bit of when I when I when I try

(31:53):
to describe Zack Wilde, I I often bring up slash
because I think there's a little bit of slash in
Zack Wilde as well. But the sound he gets and
the you know, it's traditional, yet somehow he still manages
to have his own sound and that's amazing, right. And
I also love the way that as you go through
the catalog, they're just breaking rules all over the place

(32:16):
in terms of what to do. And I almost feel
that that the fact that they are so sporadic and
they have broken a lot of rules and they and
they release long albums and covers albums and short albums
and quasi live albums and songs. Right. What I've learned
to appreciate a lot while doing this book is how

(32:36):
much of an absolute artist actually is, how much he
just loves the creative process, loves art, will not put
anything out until it's ready. You know, we think of
him as reclusive or secretive and stuff, but he will
collaborate with all sorts of people. You know, he has
no problem working with a variety of people, letting people

(32:57):
into his orbit. So I I love, uh, I love
the fact that there is just all this variety and time.
It's it's like time means nothing to them, which is
which is so cool. Right, Yeah, you know, with the crazy,
crazy years and years of lead up to Chinese democracy
and then they put out this super ambitious, great album.

(33:20):
And then I also feel like, uh, you know, then
it's just a song here or there, or a soundtrack
song or a cover Sympathy for the Devil or whatever.
But again, it's it's like when you add it all up,
it's a it's a pretty lengthy catalog. It's it's pretty long,
you know. I I often people even put down Metallica
for this as well. Right, so many years between albums,

(33:41):
but then when the album comes out, it's like a
double CD, right, that's full, both both discs are full
kind of thing. So it's it's long, right, So yeah,
I I do I do like that about the catalog.
And again you you ask how how do you describe
them over time? You know, immediately as as as hair

(34:02):
metal is ending in September of nineteen ninety one, you know,
with a significant milestone with never Mind blowing up and
coming out at the same time as you use your illusion.
You know, I just did a contrarian's video show of this.
I called it. I called it gray gray hair metal.
Right my top my favorite top gray hair metal albums,

(34:24):
you know, albums from sort of ninety one three ninety four,
because hair metal does last a little longer and there
are some really good albums that come out during that period.
I mean, like I say, I love hair metal. I
love the entire length of it. Right, So that's why
I don't. I don't feel it's a negative thing calling
this a hair metal album.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
And I don't either. I'm a fan of that, the
term and of that genre of music.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
So yeah, I never had a problem with yeah yeah,
but but yeah, so so I do like that that
once you get this this massive epic amount of material
out of them.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
After the two Illusion albums, they've doubled down and proven
that Guns and Roses are an entity to themselves. They're
just like a They're just it's they're they're now it's
it's hard to put a frame on it. In fact,
they become they they start moving away from the argument
that you can call them a hair metal band, because
now the palettes even widens even further. I mean, this

(35:19):
is a first album, and it is it is one album.
It's uh, you know, granted, it's what is it fifty
five minutes or something. It's really incredibly long for a
single album. People forget how long this record is. It's
it's just it's weird that they crammed so much stuff
on a one piece of vinyl, right, and.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
They left top off too. That was ended up being
unusual illusion like no member ring could have been an appetite,
you know, yeah, it shad over your love could have
been an appetite. So it's it is incredible, It really
is incredible.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
And I but just to end off that point is
is I think they do become this great epic kind
of like a Rolling Stones rock and roll where a
generalists where we're world world not world music, but not
even world uh sort of. You know, there are certain
world bands out there in hard rock, and I put

(36:08):
Deep Purple and Iron Maiden that way. I don't. I
don't look at guns n' roses that way, but I
suppose I think of them as uh, transcending all all
genre tags by the time you get to the end
of the both illusion.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Altis and and and certainly now, which I love because
you never know with the book when there's dates and
the new history gets cut off. But you mentioned how
Axle works with everybody. There's a stuff about Carrie Underwood
in there, and and you know there's chapters called absurd
you know, So how do you even label this band

(36:42):
because they are a bit absurd?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You just as a pseudo fan? Can I call you that?
At least?

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
No, No, I'm much I'm much more than a pseudo Okay, okay,
I just say like you, I have other bands that
are more of my.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Favorite okay, oh okay, yeah that that that would never
be a prerequids that to h unless it was to
come on this.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
So who are your favorite bands of all time?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
By the way, other than Gino Army and you gotta
go with I thank my dad for the Doors. I mean,
I love the Doors and and uh, you know it's
interesting seeing because my age we talk about that before,
you know, Val Kilmer has passed to me he was
Jim Morrison and watching that and just learning about Yeah.
So I love the Doors. I grew up loving in

(37:28):
Green Day. But that's it's interesting. Time matters everything to me,
like guns and Roses. For some I never really talked
about it too much. They changed too much. They changed
from that pop punk band with the American Idiot, and
they became too big and a bigger band, more people
on stage. And it sounds like I'm talking about guns
and roses, And for whatever reason, I don't connect with

(37:50):
Green Day like I did when I was a kid.
You know, I was obsessed with Dookie, which is the album,
uh you know Metallic. Of course you mentioned before the
Doors always had a second special.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
See I'm too old. I'm too old to have guns
n' Roses my favorite band. It's just not possible. And
I thought I was too young and too much history
by that point, right sure.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
And I thought it was too young. That's the interesting thing,
because you talked about I was the same year after
the Usual Illusion came out with never Mind, and you
talk about how it wasn't sound garden Man that was
my wheelhouse. I was eleven. I remember when you know,
the sound Garden and Ravana videos came on TV and
I was like, WHOA, what the hell is this? But
I said the same thing about November Rain, and it

(38:36):
made me go back to be one of the few
kids that loved hair metal when everybody else was kind
of outgrowing that and becoming just strue. I loved grunge,
but I also love this hair metal thing. So that's
why you have to go back and you have to
ask people what it was like beforehand. I'm not one
of those people that thinks that, yeah, my opinion is correct.

(38:59):
I have my vision of Guns or Roses. There are
people who hate Chinese democracy. You sounded like you liked it.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
It took me, Oh yeah, absolutely, I don't. I don't
hate any of the Guns and Roses. I think they're
all they're all good.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
So but there are fans that still refuse to listen
to it, and I feel, I'm like, you're missing out.
You don't want to call guns or Roses because it
doesn't have slash. I mean, I don't know what to
tell you. It's part of the catalog, whether we like
it or not. And they play these songs live, so
now there's whether you like it or not they are
part of the catalog because it's now slash and duffer
or on these uh or on these songs? Do you

(39:33):
have like a particular like you know, it sounds like
a silly just a fan question, like a favorite song
of theirs that they've they've done since you know they've
been around. Nothing maybe not the hair metal portion of
that you you might favor, but something else that they're like, whoa,
this came out of them.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
You know. What always pops to mind is that you
could be mine. I just something about the way that
song kicks off and the way it's just got so
much slash personality to it. It's just such a such
an Outlaws song, right. I never I never felt too
much of this felt too properly Outlaw because when it
comes out, they're they're not a huge band at this point, right,

(40:13):
they get to be a huge band. So by the
time the Illusion albums come out, they're they're like godly right,
So so you you you know, when that happens, when
a band is that huge at that point, you you
kind of look at everything they do way more seriously.
And uh, and I just remember that song was a
big deal, pretty tied up I just love as well.

(40:36):
So yeah, I feel I feel like the highlights, the
more heavy up tempo songs from that period are great,
but uh yeah, I stuff along the Way is all
good too. And and like I say, it's like when
you when you add up everything they did, you know,
when when you include the EP and then it gets
expanded and you've got this long first album. You've got

(40:58):
two illusion albums that are I don't know what are
they seventy seven minutes each or something.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
So almost exact time within like I ook this up
within like fourteen seconds of a time or something like that.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
So of course, you know, we always every time we
we you know, people talk about these things. It's like
you bring up Van Hale and then they're turning in
twenty nine minute albums, thirty minute albums. So so that's
that's usually three albums there. They got Spaghetti Incident, which
is a full album covers album.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh, signed by Slash, what's that?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Signed by Slash?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (41:29):
And you know Chinese Democracy as long as well. And
then like I say, there's there's little songs here and there,
there's hard school and all that stuff. So yeah, it's
all up and and it's a it's a pretty long catalog.
And then what I also kind of argue in the
book is that, you know, even though Axel has his
way of wanting to make the art absolutely perfect and

(41:50):
everything's right down to the last minute and if it
comes out, it comes out, and money is no object
and all that stuff, even though Axel is that way,
You've got You've got Slash the Snake Pitch, Slash featuring
Miles Kennedy, You've got all the all the cool different
Duff projects where he can be he can be punk rock.
He doesn't care how small a project is. He'll do it.

(42:11):
You'd you know, you've got You've got Izzy Stradlin and
this massive catalog. Right. So the cool thing is is
all of these albums I think you could almost fold
into the massive orbit of guns n' Roses because you know,
believe in Me and Slash the Snake Pit and all that,
they sound very much like Guns n' Roses albums anyways, right,

(42:31):
which also again goes back to that whole point where
it's like they are doing it for the right reasons.
This is the kind of music they like. They didn't
go way off on a tangent and do something different.
Even izzy the heart and soul of those easy stradline albums,
you can you can feel in the in the Illusion
projects certainly. So so yeah, I I like to I

(42:53):
like to remind people that who who complain, you know,
right down to to like, oh, they've only had one
good album. They've been touring this one album their whole
life kind of thing. It's like, well, you know, expand
a little bit and go listen to all the side
stuff and everything they've done. And there's twenty records there.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
It is such a lazy argument too, but it also
speaks to how great appetite is. But just to say
the one album. I've talked about that of course on
social media when people say that, yeah, let's just ignore
use your illusion one and two. And even if you're
one of those that argues that it's going to should
be one record, and to me, I've never enjoyed that argument.

(43:34):
Why would I take away music? Even my world like
it has its own little trinket of history that it
deserves gen r lore.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
So I wish it was you know, like a lot
of people who have these arguments and talk about this
with metallic and stuff, I wish personally, it was three
records spread out over two or three years, right, and
then everything could have its own identity and then really
think about what goes on each one kind of thing
and and and that way. Yeah, everything has a lot

(44:06):
more personality. It's a lot of material to absorb at once.
And you know, you have these debates with people, and
I don't think there is a is a true answer
to this. But I don't see a different personality between
the two of them. I don't think there was even
any intentionality to have them have a different.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Personal right, Yeah, And I know I felt that either.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah. Yeah, So you know it's it's like when they
assembled these records, and who knows how many people are involved,
probably a lot, But when they assembled these records, I
don't think they were shooting for, you know, any certain
style to leap out of one versus the other. And

(44:46):
I think that's a little bit to the detriment because
with over one hundred and fifty minutes of music, Yeah,
I think it'd just be amazing to have had them
sit down and make three fifty minute out out of it.
That would have been so cool.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I mean for real, man, as far as I know,
the only reason why it was two separate albums was
so kids could afford it. Axel wanted it because if
it was a certain price in Tower Records or whatever,
it would be behind the case. It would just be
they would jack up the price. It would be Okay,
can I get one album for I mean fifteen bucks
or whatever it is, or do I have to spend?

(45:23):
So it was just an option. So as that's as
far as the story that I've heard, But no, it's cool.
It only leads up to though this year and what
you know, the fortieth year, as we're celebrating it and
what they may or may not do. But as they
name this tour, you know what you want, what you
get and what you wanted to differently, two separate different things.

(45:46):
I don't know, it's a whole I knew it at
the time. It is complicated, but it's a freeze off
there when the early Flyers in nineteen eighty five and
basically people thinking that it's you know, people want new
music and they're getting Chinese democracy quote left over. But
as you know, you talk about a hard school.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I don't know if that was that wasn't Chinese democracy leftover?
But this year, we've heard soundtracks for Nothing and Outlass
Shrugged from that era, so we're hoping and it kind
of goes off the heels of your point. That's where
I'm getting. I'm getting to my point. I always sometimes
I struggle with it, is that Chinese Democracy was supposed

(46:24):
to be three albums or two three albums, So maybe
that's what they're doing now. I don't know with these
two songs that they're teasing now. It's been seen in
the setlist alt songs. Duff has spoken openly about this
song Nothing, So maybe that's what they're doing now. So
it's cool that because maybe it's not always the case
with you when you're doing a band, it's kind of

(46:45):
like a recap of their life, which it is, but
this band is continuing. So it's is there like an
what's the end point? Or do you kind of leave
it to be continued?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, you know, I'm sure they're not thinking this way,
but it's it is just completely amusing how they just
continue to break rules. It's like, no, we don't have
a new album. You know, we're going to give you
a song here, a song here. We're there, We're going
to play songs live that aren't on any so they're
you know, and but what happens nowadays, you know, now
now we're so deep into it's been a long long

(47:18):
time since the physical product era, they might be the
types who would think, because I've heard certain bands say
this about what's the point of putting out an album?
The album is dead? And they say that for various reasons. Right.
Sometimes people say it because we're not going to make
any money off of it. Some people say it because

(47:39):
they are they are thinking futuristically, because really, as we
get further and further away and we get more you know,
younger generations of rock fans, you know, the idea of
fifty or fifty five minutes on a CD and stuff
just becomes more in the rear view mirror as anything
other than a random amount of time, right, because it's

(48:01):
it was different from vinyl. It was twenty thirty forty
percent more than you had on vinyl when you got
to CD. So so both amounts of time are random,
is what I'm saying. True, And really the least random thing,
the most modern thing to do is do what the
hip hop people do and do what guns and Roses do,
which is just put out a new song. Every once
in a while, you get in the news cycle. It's

(48:22):
import everybody talks about it, you know, it helps the
live show all all that kind of stuff. So but
I hope there's a new album because I I, you know,
being as old as dirt as I am, just love
the idea of an album to me, to me, that's
the most important thing that you're going to get remembered for.
And what all me and my buddies talk about. You know,

(48:43):
we're always doing album ranking shows, and to me, to me,
the measure of success with a band more so is
uh oh is the gold? Is it platinum? Is a
double platinum? All that kind of stuff is important to me.
So I'm glad there's ways, even in the post physical
product era, to measure that stuff. They do it with,

(49:04):
you know, fifteen hundred plays for song and blah blah
blah on Spotify and that. But yeah, I don't know.
I'm not completely up on the news. How serious are
the threats of a new album these days? What is
the latest news on the ground.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I usually respond with a gift of like Elmo just shrugging.
You know, I always believe there is new music coming
and I believe that before because their guns and Roses
fans are crazy that there are leaks of these sound
checks of these new songs. So I mean these are
as real. I mean these are rumored Atlas Shrug that
had been a rumor named for many, many years. Nothing

(49:38):
came from. Nothing was trying to figure out what that.
Some people believe that was quick song or whatever. But
as far as like an album, I really don't know.
They might do what you said before with the hip
hop artist and just releasing a song and keeping it fresh.
And I know that's frustrating for some fans that just want,
like you said, whether it's an age thing, whether it's

(49:58):
just it's been so lo long. We have Axel and
Slash together, what can they do together? That is in
Chinese democracy, But this is just kind of a con
I look at it as just a continuation. Axel picked
up where he left off and now he's with these guys.
Now let's okay, let's pick up. And I don't know
how many songs he has to go through, but I

(50:19):
think sebastman Bach said it was almost gonna be like
a triple album at one point. And by the way,
so I get it right because the album the tour
is called because what you want and what you get
are two completely different things. Tour very it's a mouthful Martin,
because I think it all hit me, you know, to
lift the curtain and we'll wrap up here. And I

(50:41):
appreciate it because Martin and I were supposed to record
yesterday in podcast terms, but I was not feeling well
at all. So I don't know if Martin, if you've
been able to tell no, I did not go through
my hair metal phase before this and like color my
lips purple, like it's not to give too much TMI,
but I was so sick. I busted capillaries and my lips.

(51:03):
Oh man, like it was.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
It was.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
It was not good Sunday. So I didn't want to
miss this interview. And I didn't realize what time he
was going to be. So I'm glad that we were able.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Well you've done great, You've been a trooper.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
And I think it just hit me there when I
was just like, I'm back. I want to keep talking
Toms of Roses, and I'm like, oh, you're still on
the men, So I just kind of lost my I
don't know if I through my rambling if I just
made sense. I just wanted to.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Let me make one more quick point that please.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
You please, I got I got a second win here.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I'll take it over for a second. But I've always
been and I did a podcast episode of my History
in five Songs about this where I talked about crazy ideas, right, Uh,
but this is isn't exactly a crazy idea. It's just
an opinion. I have these guys, these vocalists, these lead vocalists, right.
I think I think it's a great waste that Axel

(51:54):
hasn't just been in a studio virtually, just like singing
the phone book all his life, because one day he's
going to be gone. When before that, one day he's
going to lose his voice. Uh, And certainly, I think
the first thing that happens is I can't perform live.
But the other thing is what I love about today's

(52:16):
technology and stuff is you can go in the studio
and we can have Axel sound as great as we
want Axel to sound. We don't we don't need to
know what went in to make the cooking of the record, right.
But I I really feel like Axel's voice is such
a great voice and he's a great singer. Those are
two different things to me, right, Axel happens to have both.

(52:39):
He's a great singer, and he has a great voice, right,
and he has different gears to his voice, which is
amazing as well. So so I just I just feel
like it always seems like, uh, and especially when you
get lower down the ladder where you've got legendary singers
that make a fraction amount of the money that Axel does, right,
I always go like, I always want to punch them

(53:01):
in the head and say, look, if you're trying to
leave a retirement fund for your kids and make some money,
get just get in a studio and sing. Just do songs.
Sing do covers, Switch switch catalogs with the band that
we associate you with the most, wipe the tracks and
sing all those songs. Just fill up the vaults with

(53:24):
your voice, because that's the one thing that that is
going to go on you that you have now that
you can use. It's way more important than something as
esoteric and scholarly as oh, I have a guitar sound,
I have a drum sound. No, I mean, the most
important thing is that human voice. Right, So it is
kind of a drag that that we don't have Axel

(53:45):
on more studio recordings over time because he should be
using that voice while he's got it.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I will jump off on that point too, because that
I agree with you. When I hear him talk like
just him talking, I see comments and I think that's too.
I can listen to this guy talk like it's not
even just his this to his singing voice, singing performance,
and just his range and everything, just his style of voices.

(54:12):
I hear he is a great joke teller. Sean Bevin,
the producer here, says like he does as he warms
up by doing a forty five minute stand up routine
in the studio. So who really knows? And maybe this
is like what happens with Prince and Michael Jackson. What
really has been done? What vocals do we really know about?

(54:33):
I know we guns of Roses fans think we know
because there have been all those leaks that happened. Do
we really have everything the Axle's ever done? I hope not,
because you're right, he has a legendary voice and I'm
glad he's out there doing it. And I would be remiss,
and I'd be you know, I'd be an ostricher with
my head in the dirt. If I acknowledge it's a

(54:54):
sixty two, sixty three year old voice, now what, I
think he can still do it in parts, it's like
talking about an athlete. I don't feel right because I
can't do it. We all age. There are moments where
I'm like, that's that's the guy. There are other moments
where I'm like, Okay, I'm still that's the guy that
wrote it. I don't care he sounds like that fine.

(55:16):
I kind of just accept for what it is. And
there are other moments I'm like, okay, he sounds like
a young man again. So I kind of just take
it for what it is. And I love, love what
David Lee Roth just did with the backup singers. I
think that's that's a real big presidence on because once
they're gone, they're gone. Like just like you said, Axel,
I know David ly Roth could talk for hours as

(55:37):
a podcast at a radio show, but once they're gone,
they're gone. And maybe you can recreate stuff on a
guitar or drums. But that voice, I mean, I know,
AI is getting crazy, man. You know, people try to
Ai the hell out of Axel, but once he's gone,
so hopefully they're I I really that's what I've taken
away from this conversation that well, well, I think people

(55:59):
of this podcast, fans of the podcast, believe Axel. Whether
you're frustrated, hit with him, whatever, he's an artist. He's
an artist with an immense amount of talent, and we
just we hope there's more, because wow, we're in a timeline.
Whether somewhere in these forty years guns and Roses at
forty we lived that we existed in a timeline at

(56:20):
the same timeline as Guns and Roses, no matter what
that means, whether it's with Buckethead or Tracy Guns, we
existed in this timeline. So I don't know, I think
that's pretty cool, nice nice, all right, Well that's.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Cool wrapper up there.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
That was a nice little bow at the end. See
I got my second win. So yeah, So I mean
I was thinking about that, Martin. I was like, do
I really need to be TMI with my listeners and
tell them that I was sick? Nobody gives a shit
about me, But that's how you connect, that's how you connect.
And I was gonna, I have to say, now, I
was gonna come up with some clever saying of like
speaking of being sick, how do you regurgitate forty years

(56:54):
of guns and roses. I'm glad I didn't say that.
So coming up the interview, I did postpone, which I
thought it was. I'm glad it was Martin Steve Rosen
who wrote about his friendship with Eddie man halein that'sould
be pretty interesting, also, he confirmed, and I want to
I don't think he scheduled the we scheduled the date.

(57:15):
I want to look at my instagram. Oh, Steve Rosen
preferred just responded. But Michael Jerome, the drummer from Slashes
Up Blues Ball, agreed to a podcast interviews. So that's
gonna be a lot of fun. So that does it
for this episode of the podcast, Martin, I hope do
we get to do this again? Go to Martin pop
off dot com. I mean, you just did a tour

(57:36):
radio tour with my job about your Iron Maiden book
with Premiere Radio Networks, and I'm like, I want more
than ten minutes with Martin because I couldn't grab one
of those slots. I'm like, I'm going to need more
than ten minutes. So thank you for this right on.
So that does it for this episode of the podcast,
when we see the next one. In the words of
Axel Rose concerning Chinese democracy, I don't know as soon
as the word, but you'll see it.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Thanks to the lame mass security. I'm going home.