February 7, 2025 • 26 mins
Killswitch Engage drummer Justin Foley talks their new album "This Consequence," listening to GN'R in secret so he wouldn't get in trouble with his parents, love for the Yankees, The Simpsons, cats, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know. This is Appetite for Distortion.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion, Episode number four
hundred and ninety one. My name is Brando. Welcome to
the podcast from kill Switch Engage Justin Foley. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I am wonderful. How are you? It's good to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm living the dream. I could argue that kill Switch
is my favorite metalcore band. To be honest with you.
When I started radio at Hofshi University many years ago,
my program director, which was another student at the time,
he's like, and I worked on this heavy metal. It
was my first again four way you know, introduction to radio.
(01:09):
I had the Aggressive Edge eleven pm to one am
every Thursday, and he introduced me to kill Switch. I
was like, I don't know, I'm not usually I'm more
of like an eighties rock kind of guy. But as
soon as I heard it, I've been a fan ever since.
So this is a pleasure to thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Just before. I'm glad we had enough.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Now just the voice, whether it was you know, Jesse
or Howard, and just the music itself. It's just resonated
with me more than maybe others of the genre. But
speaking of I mean Killswitch is still putting out music.
I mean, you got me so excited for this due album,
this Consequence coming out February twenty First, now, before an
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album comes out, what's the feeling. Are you anxious? Are
you eager? You know, like, how long have you been
working on it? Because now it's everyone's going to get
to hear and experience it, So what are your feelings?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, it's definitely in the little spot right now where
you just want it to be out there already, like
just enough enough, already started working on it a few
years ago and then it's been done now for oh
maybe a year, like done done, maybe for a good year.
Maybe maybe it wasn't mixed yet until later in like
(02:22):
the spring of summer last year. But it's been like
we've been sitting on it for a while. That's just
how it goes, you know. You just you finish it
and you just have to sit and wait for a
while before it's finally out there in the world. But
it's that day is coming real soon, and it's you
mainly are excited because you have new music to go
out and play.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
A lot, and you guys are about to go out
with a Shadows fall, and it's this is great, there's
another a great tour. I saw you guys a few
years ago at a warped tour and just one of
the highlights I still remember.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Just got more than more than a few.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I know, I know more than a few.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
If that's I think I'm in denial with how old
I actually am.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Most definitely me too.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, so, but and I can't wait. Once I was
talking to you about my son who may make an appearance.
I just can't wait to start taking him to rock concerts.
So I mean, this is I don't know if this
is well, I don't know. Maybe it's too soon. If
he has the headphones, you can still rock out to
end a heartache and everything, you know, as long as
he's Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, that hearing protection is a big one really. But
we've seen all sorts of age groups. That's what you
want when you when you become an aging band yourself, right,
you want to hook in the younger crowd so you
can stay relevant with the kids. As that's that's kind
of the key, right, you know, try to try to
hook in the new, the new listeners. So yeah, sure,
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bring them along.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
What goes into the music whether it's to bring in
new listeners or just stuff that you the band is
passionate about. You know, when you guys are sitting down
to make a new song, whether it's lyrics or musically,
is it what's the process? What's the process like for you?
For kill Switch?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Most of the time we have ideas put together. Sometimes
somebody has most of a song demoed out, or at
least a good skeleton of a song demoed out. Sometimes
just a riff here and there. This last time, we
made a real effort to get in a room together
and try to pull stuff out of thin air, which
is something we haven't really done and a long long time,
(04:26):
because we've sort of moved to different parts of the
country and we don't live, you know, within an hours
drive of each other anymore, and haven't for a pretty
long time. But I think part of the of being
separated during the whole pandemic made us want to make
a real conscious effort to get together and get in
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their room and see what we can kind of grabut
the out of the universe as far as riffs and
songs go. So that's kind of where this one came together.
It was a mixture of that. It was a mixture
of people having demos and all of that and then
putting it together. But yeah, by the time by the
time something's done and something is a gill Switch song,
everybody's kind of got there their two cents in it,
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even if their two senses that's perfect, don't touch it.
So that happens sometimes too.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Right on, right on. Is there a particular song on
this album that you're you're really proud of that you
can't wait for fans to hear or is it just
the overall project or is there something specific you're excited about.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I think the song I was most excited about was
actually the first one that we released from this Forever Aligned.
I think is the song that I was most stoked
on when the whole record came together, and I was
glad that that was the first one to get out
there to let people hear that one kind of before
anything else. That's pretty excited about that. But yeah, there's
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some really cool there's some different stuff on there. Like
we don't go totally crazy different. We don't have to
come on said jazz band or anything, but we kind
of we always try to take the stuff that we
like and that we listened to and add it to
whatever sound the band has. I mean, at this time,
the band definitely had the sound. And when the five
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of us get together to make music, it's going to
it sound like something in particular. But it's always fun
to just try to push that like a living little
directions here and there and see where you can stretch
it to. And I think we did a good job
of that on this record.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You never try to put in because you were in
a jazz acid jazz band, weren't.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You, or some sid acid jazz metal man.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah, so you don't try to push that influence.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, I mean that was that was long. That was
a few years ago, right, so yeah, trying to do
between the buried and meat stuff that we didn't have
the between the bard and me chops to do. But
it was fun, right that one surprisingly did not last
for twenty five years. Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah. Well, it's just it's a nice little thing on
your on your resume, and I love it. I mean, hey,
sometimes the mood calls for acid jazz. You never know,
You never you really know. So what is it like
for you? Do you have a preparation when you're going
out on tour because obviously it's all physical no matter
what instrument you play, singing, whatever, but drums, I mean
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it's non stop. So do you work out, what's your regimen,
you change your diet, what's how do you prepare?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
No, not a lot of that. I just prepare by
playing is ramping up the playing as much as I can,
and even then the first week it's going to be
an eye opener for sure, I mean every single time,
because you can't you can't simulate the adrenaline that you
get from being on stage in front of people when
you're just sitting at your house playing drums. It's kind
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of like when when somebody is injured from a you know,
from a team, like an athlete comes back and it
takes a little bit to get to game shape. You
know that God can be in phenomenal shape, but then
there's game shape is another thing that's kind of like
show shape is a different thing, and you can kind
of do all the practice you want and get get
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a handle on all the music. So what I just
do is I just practice as much as I can
and know everything in and out and just feel like
I have the chops out of there, and then the
first week, I'll I'll be bludgeoned and my hands will
be all blistered up because I just can't quite duplicate
the same rush that you get playing live. But you know,
once you get into a touring cyclic, that's less and less.
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And this is gonna be a busy year obviously since
the record's coming out, we're gonna tour a lot, so
it'll be busy and it'll be fine. We've just been
home for a little while now, so it'll be it'll
be a little tough to go right back in the groove,
but it'll happen.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You need like a spring training for musicians, so you
do need it.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You do need that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And if I'm correct, your Yankee fans, so we can
talk about that a little bit too, right, yank you
fans Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yes that is true.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well it's on my brain because they just I was
going to bring it up later, but it's right now.
Favorite player of all time for the don Manning good
hands that I couldn't even get finish it. So I
was in minds either I know Donnie baseball or just
because of my age, Tina Martinez because his yeah, yeah,
because I was I was like bar Mitzfoot nineteen ninety
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six when they won the World Series and don had
just it sucked that he retires and they finally win.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, such a bummer, But I mean it was awesome
that they want obviously, but it was such a bummer
that it wasn't Donnie that was there winning it. But yeah,
he was my guy. I got a few years on you,
so coming up was watching him play in the eighties
and that was it. I want to be a first baseman.
It was alrighty, but I wanted to be a first baseman,
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and yeah he was. He was a guy for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
So you did play. How far did that go with baseball?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Not far? Not far? One Sky started throwing the ball
around fifty to fifty five six months hours when I
started getting scared of the ball, and then one sad happens,
You're done. So that was it for me.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Right on. Do any of the other guys in Keel
switch are these sports guys? You guys have like a catch,
you know, while you're getting prepared, Like if you guys
are on a big tour, you go in the back
and I don't know, fun go to each other any
of that.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Not too often, Adams Adams a big sports guy, and
we go to as many baseball stadiums as we can
whenever we get like a touring schedule. We cross reference
it with baseball season in minor league games too, and
we try to figure out when we can sneak away
to games, even if it's just like the first couple
of innings of the game. We went to Baltimore last
year for first I think two or three innings, just
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because we were playing Baltimore and it was a walkable
walkable from where we were playing. That kind of stuff
we do all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I love that. Yeah, one of my brothers, he's trying
to make like every stadium he did it. Yeah, I
don't know if he's he hasn't done every stadium, but
when he was living in LA and he moved back
to New York, him and her friends like made like
a stop to like five or six baseball stadiums, like
on the entire road trip. Yeah, that's cool, especially with
someone like you who's on the road all the time.
And if you, I know, it's quite busy. You know,
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it's not like you always have a lot of free time,
but when it happens, you know, that's that's awesome that
you get to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, it's fun. Well, were work pretty close. Adam and
I are really close. I think he's closer than me.
I just need Minnesota and the new I had the
old Texas one, but they moved, so I need a
new one and I need I had Oakland, but who
knows what's going on with them, so I got to
start over with Oakland. So I was getting really close,
but it's still gonna be a little bit before.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I can throw small off right on and something else
while it's on my my brain that I know we're
both fans of. And I saw it on your your
zoom icon before you turned on your camera. You have
a little Simpsons, Kay? Sure are you? You're a huge
Simpsons guy like myself.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, yeah, same. The same kind of time frame shaped
my entire sense of humor.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I would say it did it writes, that's my entire
sense of humor is the Simpsons. It's a do you
have a favorite episode of all time?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's someone asked me to day, and it's probably the
Lisa becomes a Vegetarian episode. It's got to say is
up there? But man, there's so many Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
What about the Softball with Donnie Baseball in there don Mattock.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
That one. That one is awesome. Of course, of course
that one is a brilliant, brilliant episode. It's it's tough.
I mean, you can get like a top twenty together
and they are all worthy of being your all time favorite,
and they can change too, but I would say that
that one, that one's probably up there. I love the
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pretzel Wagen one. I love that episode. Yeah. The Halloweens
are great too. I don't know if they should count,
but they're awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I think no, they definitely count as part of the whole.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They're just so weird, you know. It's like that's why,
like should they be their own category, because they're just
so out there. But then the Halloween with the shining
and the Nightmare Cafeteria, the shinning you don't want to
get here and time and punishment. That Trio Halloween episode
is thought to be one of the best ones ever too.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm finally because you know, my son, I'm glad you
can't hear in the background. It's like I have like
put on shapes and numbers and blues clues and things
like that, but I'm slowly putting on the Simpsons, and
he doesn't he watches it. He's not telling me to
shut it off, which he does, and I I can't
wait for him to like just to sit and really
appreciate all of this and me to tell him. You know,
(13:27):
so it's uh, it's it's special. I obviously I love
that show and it's like one of the reasons I
was excited to talk to you today. I was telling
my wife.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Joys of Fatherhood, is uh downloading everything onto your kid's brain?
For sure?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, no, for sure, it's it's it's funny, I told
my wife. I was like doing some uh some research.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm like, this guy likes the Yankees, the Simpsons, and cats.
I saw one of your your little guys go in
your living room back there.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And oh did you nobody's coming over this time? No
one's interested in being on camera. Sorry about time.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
That's the okay, my guys. Yeah, I know. He's my
eighteen year old guy, Blackie Clawless is down here. I
don't want to pick him up. He's a heavy dude.
Last night he fell between the wall and our bed
was like four in the morning because it's like a
little space and he's just chilling there. I'm like, oh
my god, so we all had to wake up. My
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son wakes up. He thinks it's playtime, he was, Yeah,
so now I'm a I'm a cat guy as well.
Is that something I asked this actually of Todd Currents recently.
Is that something when you go on the road that yeah?
I mean, do you ever want to take them on
the road? Is there is am I over because people
think I'm crazy. Oh, it's just a cat. But you
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missed them? You really miss them when I go on vacation,
you miss them? I mean, is that kind of hard
for I don't think it's silly to ask. Is that
hard for you to leave your your pets at home?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah? Absolute, Okay, it's hard and you miss them like crazy.
I know that they wouldn't like the road, so I
think they are probably are cats that have the right
personality where they could chill on a bus and be happy.
But I know that my particular cats would would not.
They would not like the road, They would not like
the moving bus like all those things would, so they
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would be unhappy. I mean, selfishly, I would be happy
to have them, but the uh, one way you can
counteract out a little bit is with cat cafes, so
they're becoming more popular. So they kind of go out
and got a little time during the day and you
search for a nearby cat cafe that can that can
definitely help.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, that's that's something that I've done. I've had my
wife tell me, can you still stop talking about the cats?
And they're her cats. I'm like, I don't know, I
missed them, want to hang out with them. But you're right,
unless you like train a kitten to go out and
do stuff with you, from like the beginning, it's they
don't want to.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
They don't want to go got to start young, for sure, they.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Start young, just like with my just like with my son,
which cat was one of his first words, by the way,
oh yeah, which was very special.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So on the road, what's the most exciting thing is
to go back to kill Switch. I know I got
a little sidetracked there with all this the common stuff
that you know we enjoy. Is there something that you enjoy?
Is it other than playing music live? Is there a
favorite city that you can't wait to go to? Are
there friends in other cities that like, oh I can't
wait to go on tours is the only time I
get to see them. What's the kind of your the
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few of the favorite things about you and touring.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That's a good question for sure. When we get to
go to places like around the world that are just
things you never thought you would really be able to do.
To travel like that as part of your job is
pretty pretty remarkable. It took a minute for me to
really take advantage of that, and at first it was
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almost like, I don't know how to describe it, but
at first it was sort of it just felt more
like a job and that I didn't see the potential,
you know, work first pleasure thing out of it. But
eventually when I figured that out, I was like, Okay,
this is awesome. It's like, look where I am. I
can do all this stuff that it's great. I mean,
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I mean Europe or something, and like I never thought
I would be going all these places, and I'm doing
it because of my work and I do have some
time and I can see all this stuff, and I
can say for a couple of days at the end
of tour and like I'm already here, I don't have
to travel there, and like you can do things like that,
So that's been a huge one that I'm that I've
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finally I figured out how to really take advantage of
and enjoy things like that when like when we have
a Europe tour, just booking a little vacation around it
on either end makes a huge difference, and it's really
fun and the real lucky thing that I feel fortunate
to do. And apart from that, when you mentioned friends,
it really is being I mean, I know it sounds
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kind of corny, but being with the band and the
five of us hanging out together, and then that extends
to our crew, especially guys that have been with us
like Alan and Josh here tour manager and a production manager.
I've been with us forever and ever and ever, and
just getting to spend all your time or you know,
a few weeks or whatever it might be with people
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that are actually your best friends. It's kind of like
the thing you do if you're a kid, Like it
takes you back to being a kid. It keeps you
from feeling like an old man, which we all are
at this point, but you don't feel like it because
you're still doing kid stuff. You're still hanging out and
having sleepovers with your friends. So that's a that's a
really cool thing.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, no, I love that. I never really really considered
it like that. You sleepovers and you're doing it, going
all over the world and just playing music. I mean,
it's it's certainly a dream job. And you know, what's
really cool about the history of kill Switch and if
you could talk a little bit about you know, just
you're talking about the current brotherhood, but just the brotherhood
overall that extends because you don't see too many bands
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where they had, you know, because Jesse had vocal problems,
so he had to leave the band for a little bit, right,
and so that's when Howard had to come in.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So yeah, and it's like it's still we've all kept
kind of together, and obviously from Signifier, we just sort
of keep that thing going and keep the you know,
just sort of just sort of kept it together. But
we're lucky. We're lucky to have had, you know, a
few different singers and have been able to maintain whatever
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relevance that we've been able to maintain over the years.
It is possible. I mean, you know, Anthrax made in
just to name a couple, but it's not super duper common.
It's it's a big thing that people identify with. You know,
I'm not crazy. I know that people hear music, and
the first thing that ninety five or more percent of
people will gravitate towards is the vocals. So that makes
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a huge change. You take that and replace it, to
change it. It's like a huge, huge thing.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's a testament to the music and itself in addition
to the vocals. But it's also the rarity of that.
But the fact that you can have like Jesse and
Howard like be friendly. Like there's so many bands that
go through these changes and it's like you left it,
leave it in history. Let's not talk about that guy anymore.
That's not the case with kill Switch. So it's just
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a very you know, for a band called kill Switch,
it's a very loving band, very you know. That's the
way I interpret it. I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, I think it's sort of been one of the
big things we've had consistently over the over the many years,
is sort of I mean, we joke about we joke
about how Jesse will say this song is about unity,
and I'm like, are they're all about you? Like everyone?
But like it is, it's it's a thing that we
sort of we've sort of kept going uh throughout whatever
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changes and whatever whatever's been going on with the bands
just over the over the many years. It's start of
always having that positive outlook what I was going on
around us and with the rest of the world, and
always trying to just bring a sense of positivity to
the music. This has sort of been it's sort of
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been one of our teams. And if we're gonna have
somebody that we were just going to say, we don't
talk about that guy anymore and be a little, uh,
a little hypocritical of us, really would would be practicing
what we're what we're preaching, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, So that's just one of the things that I
love about kill Switch because if you can't tell one
of my other favorite bands, and hence also the name
of the podcast Appetite with Distortion, Guns are roses posters
in my background. They they've gotten better with that obviously
with this mini reunion, but there was a time, uh
don't talk about slash at all. So I'm just curious.
(21:39):
I have this thing on the podcast, like a six
degrees of g n R. Bacon of course, like Kevin
the six Degrees with Kevin Bacon, if you're familiar.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I'm curious if you have any connection to any of
the guys, if you ever met any of them, I mean,
if not, if you've seen them in concert, any guns
or roses, you know, thing that you know, or an opinion,
so anything that's connects you to Gena any way that
we may not know.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Really, it's just sort of crossing paths. Like we did
a festival once with them. I don't remember where it was,
somewhere in Europe. I think I want to say it
was somewhere in Italy. But like that's sort of a
real loose, a super duper loose connection. It's nothing crazy.
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We also I don't remember what the band was called,
but you probably will know what was one of Duff's bands,
loaded like it was Loaded, I don't know. I remember
being in Australia and doing something with one of one
of the bands that he was. I don't remember it
was the sound Wave or a big festival, but he was.
(22:49):
It was one of his bands then that we were
playing I think, a festival situation with But again it's
a really loose connection.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I don't have anything stronger than that, except we did
have the best our best tour, like whatever ripoff design
shirt was the app type for you, I've been saying
the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That app type forstruction. Yeah, the cross with the skulls, right.
So Joel had drawn all of us, like Joel's really
good character kind of whatever, Darwer he did all of
us in that and it said appetite for consumption and
it was like the perfect knockoff shirt. It was really good.
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But our managers were like, I can't really sell that
came out like it was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I was gonna say, I haven't seen that, so that's
not available.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That was just it was like a tiny, tiny run
that we got away with. I think maybe in Australia
again for like a week and a half tour or something.
So I don't think there are a lot of them
out there. It was it was it was a good looker,
all right.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, by the way, I've had looser connections to g
n R. So it's just it's just it's a fun
way to kind of find things that maybe you know
or you don't know, So it doesn't it doesn't make
a difference here or there. But I am curious since
you mentioned appetite and you're a little older than me
because I was four when Appetite came out. Do you
remember when it came out? Do you remember all thoughts?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah? I absolutely remember. It was massive. It was a
game changing thing, and it was like I was never
really into into the hair metal scene. I'm not saying
that they that that's what they were, but they kind
of like broke that scene a little bit because they
were just there's just something different about them. They were
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almost like they got lumped into it, but they weren't.
They clearly were not that band. And the record, it
was definitely it was definitely the most swearing I ever
heard on the record, and it was kind of like
I felt like I needed to listen to it in
secret so my parents wouldn't know I was listening to it.
But yeah, it was very clear. Remember remembering when that
came out. It was pretty it was very new, it
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was very different. It was like it was big. It
was a big deal for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
See that little story there that it was the most
amount of curses you ever heard and you had a
hider from your parents. That's the kind of stories I
look for because I think that's just a really cool
thing and and honest and I'm sure a lot of
kids at that age went through with, you know, hiding
it from them because that was Nowadays everything is offensive
and and you know it's it doesn't matter like people
(25:23):
are like offensive just to be offensive. But back then
it was a big deal, you know, with the parental statement,
frontal warnings, so that, yeah, it would be.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
The tape I listened to in my headphone smowing the
lawn rather than the one I put on in my
in my room. You know, it was like that. So right,
just in case anybody was.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Listening right on, Oh that looks cool. I appreciate it. Well,
justin thank you so much for talking Gen r Kats,
the Simpsons, the Yankees, and of course new kill Switch
Engage are coming out on the twenty first of February,
so just thank you for your time, and I hope
we get to do this again.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, absolutely, it was great, great talking with you. And uh,
give your give your cat a little pet for.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Me, you got it? Thank you? And uh that does
it for this episode of Appetite for Distortion? When will
you see the next one? In the words of Axel Rose,
concerning Chinese democracy, I don't know as soon as the
word but you'll see it. Thanks to the lame ass security,
(26:23):
I'm going home
You know. This is Appetite for Distortion.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion, Episode number four
hundred and ninety one. My name is Brando. Welcome to
the podcast from kill Switch Engage Justin Foley. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I am wonderful. How are you? It's good to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm living the dream. I could argue that kill Switch
is my favorite metalcore band. To be honest with you.
When I started radio at Hofshi University many years ago,
my program director, which was another student at the time,
he's like, and I worked on this heavy metal. It
was my first again four way you know, introduction to radio.
(01:09):
I had the Aggressive Edge eleven pm to one am
every Thursday, and he introduced me to kill Switch. I
was like, I don't know, I'm not usually I'm more
of like an eighties rock kind of guy. But as
soon as I heard it, I've been a fan ever since.
So this is a pleasure to thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Just before. I'm glad we had enough.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Now just the voice, whether it was you know, Jesse
or Howard, and just the music itself. It's just resonated
with me more than maybe others of the genre. But
speaking of I mean Killswitch is still putting out music.
I mean, you got me so excited for this due album,
this Consequence coming out February twenty First, now, before an
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album comes out, what's the feeling. Are you anxious? Are
you eager? You know, like, how long have you been
working on it? Because now it's everyone's going to get
to hear and experience it, So what are your feelings?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, it's definitely in the little spot right now where
you just want it to be out there already, like
just enough enough, already started working on it a few
years ago and then it's been done now for oh
maybe a year, like done done, maybe for a good year.
Maybe maybe it wasn't mixed yet until later in like
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the spring of summer last year. But it's been like
we've been sitting on it for a while. That's just
how it goes, you know. You just you finish it
and you just have to sit and wait for a
while before it's finally out there in the world. But
it's that day is coming real soon, and it's you
mainly are excited because you have new music to go
out and play.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
A lot, and you guys are about to go out
with a Shadows fall, and it's this is great, there's
another a great tour. I saw you guys a few
years ago at a warped tour and just one of
the highlights I still remember.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Just got more than more than a few.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I know, I know more than a few.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
If that's I think I'm in denial with how old
I actually am.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Most definitely me too.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, so, but and I can't wait. Once I was
talking to you about my son who may make an appearance.
I just can't wait to start taking him to rock concerts.
So I mean, this is I don't know if this
is well, I don't know. Maybe it's too soon. If
he has the headphones, you can still rock out to
end a heartache and everything, you know, as long as
he's Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, that hearing protection is a big one really. But
we've seen all sorts of age groups. That's what you
want when you when you become an aging band yourself, right,
you want to hook in the younger crowd so you
can stay relevant with the kids. As that's that's kind
of the key, right, you know, try to try to
hook in the new, the new listeners. So yeah, sure,
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bring them along.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
What goes into the music whether it's to bring in
new listeners or just stuff that you the band is
passionate about. You know, when you guys are sitting down
to make a new song, whether it's lyrics or musically,
is it what's the process? What's the process like for you?
For kill Switch?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Most of the time we have ideas put together. Sometimes
somebody has most of a song demoed out, or at
least a good skeleton of a song demoed out. Sometimes
just a riff here and there. This last time, we
made a real effort to get in a room together
and try to pull stuff out of thin air, which
is something we haven't really done and a long long time,
(04:26):
because we've sort of moved to different parts of the
country and we don't live, you know, within an hours
drive of each other anymore, and haven't for a pretty
long time. But I think part of the of being
separated during the whole pandemic made us want to make
a real conscious effort to get together and get in
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their room and see what we can kind of grabut
the out of the universe as far as riffs and
songs go. So that's kind of where this one came together.
It was a mixture of that. It was a mixture
of people having demos and all of that and then
putting it together. But yeah, by the time by the
time something's done and something is a gill Switch song,
everybody's kind of got there their two cents in it,
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even if their two senses that's perfect, don't touch it.
So that happens sometimes too.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Right on, right on. Is there a particular song on
this album that you're you're really proud of that you
can't wait for fans to hear or is it just
the overall project or is there something specific you're excited about.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I think the song I was most excited about was
actually the first one that we released from this Forever Aligned.
I think is the song that I was most stoked
on when the whole record came together, and I was
glad that that was the first one to get out
there to let people hear that one kind of before
anything else. That's pretty excited about that. But yeah, there's
(05:53):
some really cool there's some different stuff on there. Like
we don't go totally crazy different. We don't have to
come on said jazz band or anything, but we kind
of we always try to take the stuff that we
like and that we listened to and add it to
whatever sound the band has. I mean, at this time,
the band definitely had the sound. And when the five
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of us get together to make music, it's going to
it sound like something in particular. But it's always fun
to just try to push that like a living little
directions here and there and see where you can stretch
it to. And I think we did a good job
of that on this record.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You never try to put in because you were in
a jazz acid jazz band, weren't.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You, or some sid acid jazz metal man.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah, so you don't try to push that influence.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, I mean that was that was long. That was
a few years ago, right, so yeah, trying to do
between the buried and meat stuff that we didn't have
the between the bard and me chops to do. But
it was fun, right that one surprisingly did not last
for twenty five years. Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah. Well, it's just it's a nice little thing on
your on your resume, and I love it. I mean, hey,
sometimes the mood calls for acid jazz. You never know,
You never you really know. So what is it like
for you? Do you have a preparation when you're going
out on tour because obviously it's all physical no matter
what instrument you play, singing, whatever, but drums, I mean
(07:21):
it's non stop. So do you work out, what's your regimen,
you change your diet, what's how do you prepare?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
No, not a lot of that. I just prepare by
playing is ramping up the playing as much as I can,
and even then the first week it's going to be
an eye opener for sure, I mean every single time,
because you can't you can't simulate the adrenaline that you
get from being on stage in front of people when
you're just sitting at your house playing drums. It's kind
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of like when when somebody is injured from a you know,
from a team, like an athlete comes back and it
takes a little bit to get to game shape. You
know that God can be in phenomenal shape, but then
there's game shape is another thing that's kind of like
show shape is a different thing, and you can kind
of do all the practice you want and get get
(08:11):
a handle on all the music. So what I just
do is I just practice as much as I can
and know everything in and out and just feel like
I have the chops out of there, and then the
first week, I'll I'll be bludgeoned and my hands will
be all blistered up because I just can't quite duplicate
the same rush that you get playing live. But you know,
once you get into a touring cyclic, that's less and less.
(08:32):
And this is gonna be a busy year obviously since
the record's coming out, we're gonna tour a lot, so
it'll be busy and it'll be fine. We've just been
home for a little while now, so it'll be it'll
be a little tough to go right back in the groove,
but it'll happen.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You need like a spring training for musicians, so you
do need it.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You do need that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And if I'm correct, your Yankee fans, so we can
talk about that a little bit too, right, yank you
fans Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yes that is true.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well it's on my brain because they just I was
going to bring it up later, but it's right now.
Favorite player of all time for the don Manning good
hands that I couldn't even get finish it. So I
was in minds either I know Donnie baseball or just
because of my age, Tina Martinez because his yeah, yeah,
because I was I was like bar Mitzfoot nineteen ninety
(09:17):
six when they won the World Series and don had
just it sucked that he retires and they finally win.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, such a bummer, But I mean it was awesome
that they want obviously, but it was such a bummer
that it wasn't Donnie that was there winning it. But yeah,
he was my guy. I got a few years on you,
so coming up was watching him play in the eighties
and that was it. I want to be a first baseman.
It was alrighty, but I wanted to be a first baseman,
(09:44):
and yeah he was. He was a guy for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
So you did play. How far did that go with baseball?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Not far? Not far? One Sky started throwing the ball
around fifty to fifty five six months hours when I
started getting scared of the ball, and then one sad happens,
You're done. So that was it for me.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Right on. Do any of the other guys in Keel
switch are these sports guys? You guys have like a catch,
you know, while you're getting prepared, Like if you guys
are on a big tour, you go in the back
and I don't know, fun go to each other any
of that.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Not too often, Adams Adams a big sports guy, and
we go to as many baseball stadiums as we can
whenever we get like a touring schedule. We cross reference
it with baseball season in minor league games too, and
we try to figure out when we can sneak away
to games, even if it's just like the first couple
of innings of the game. We went to Baltimore last
year for first I think two or three innings, just
(10:35):
because we were playing Baltimore and it was a walkable
walkable from where we were playing. That kind of stuff
we do all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I love that. Yeah, one of my brothers, he's trying
to make like every stadium he did it. Yeah, I
don't know if he's he hasn't done every stadium, but
when he was living in LA and he moved back
to New York, him and her friends like made like
a stop to like five or six baseball stadiums, like
on the entire road trip. Yeah, that's cool, especially with
someone like you who's on the road all the time.
And if you, I know, it's quite busy. You know,
(11:04):
it's not like you always have a lot of free time,
but when it happens, you know, that's that's awesome that
you get to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, it's fun. Well, were work pretty close. Adam and
I are really close. I think he's closer than me.
I just need Minnesota and the new I had the
old Texas one, but they moved, so I need a
new one and I need I had Oakland, but who
knows what's going on with them, so I got to
start over with Oakland. So I was getting really close,
but it's still gonna be a little bit before.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I can throw small off right on and something else
while it's on my my brain that I know we're
both fans of. And I saw it on your your
zoom icon before you turned on your camera. You have
a little Simpsons, Kay? Sure are you? You're a huge
Simpsons guy like myself.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, yeah, same. The same kind of time frame shaped
my entire sense of humor.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I would say it did it writes, that's my entire
sense of humor is the Simpsons. It's a do you
have a favorite episode of all time?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's someone asked me to day, and it's probably the
Lisa becomes a Vegetarian episode. It's got to say is
up there? But man, there's so many Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
What about the Softball with Donnie Baseball in there don Mattock.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
That one. That one is awesome. Of course, of course
that one is a brilliant, brilliant episode. It's it's tough.
I mean, you can get like a top twenty together
and they are all worthy of being your all time favorite,
and they can change too, but I would say that
that one, that one's probably up there. I love the
(12:36):
pretzel Wagen one. I love that episode. Yeah. The Halloweens
are great too. I don't know if they should count,
but they're awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I think no, they definitely count as part of the whole.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They're just so weird, you know. It's like that's why,
like should they be their own category, because they're just
so out there. But then the Halloween with the shining
and the Nightmare Cafeteria, the shinning you don't want to
get here and time and punishment. That Trio Halloween episode
is thought to be one of the best ones ever too.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm finally because you know, my son, I'm glad you
can't hear in the background. It's like I have like
put on shapes and numbers and blues clues and things
like that, but I'm slowly putting on the Simpsons, and
he doesn't he watches it. He's not telling me to
shut it off, which he does, and I I can't
wait for him to like just to sit and really
appreciate all of this and me to tell him. You know,
(13:27):
so it's uh, it's it's special. I obviously I love
that show and it's like one of the reasons I
was excited to talk to you today. I was telling
my wife.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Joys of Fatherhood, is uh downloading everything onto your kid's brain?
For sure?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, no, for sure, it's it's it's funny, I told
my wife. I was like doing some uh some research.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm like, this guy likes the Yankees, the Simpsons, and cats.
I saw one of your your little guys go in
your living room back there.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And oh did you nobody's coming over this time? No
one's interested in being on camera. Sorry about time.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
That's the okay, my guys. Yeah, I know. He's my
eighteen year old guy, Blackie Clawless is down here. I
don't want to pick him up. He's a heavy dude.
Last night he fell between the wall and our bed
was like four in the morning because it's like a
little space and he's just chilling there. I'm like, oh
my god, so we all had to wake up. My
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son wakes up. He thinks it's playtime, he was, Yeah,
so now I'm a I'm a cat guy as well.
Is that something I asked this actually of Todd Currents recently.
Is that something when you go on the road that yeah?
I mean, do you ever want to take them on
the road? Is there is am I over because people
think I'm crazy. Oh, it's just a cat. But you
(14:42):
missed them? You really miss them when I go on vacation,
you miss them? I mean, is that kind of hard
for I don't think it's silly to ask. Is that
hard for you to leave your your pets at home?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah? Absolute, Okay, it's hard and you miss them like crazy.
I know that they wouldn't like the road, so I
think they are probably are cats that have the right
personality where they could chill on a bus and be happy.
But I know that my particular cats would would not.
They would not like the road, They would not like
the moving bus like all those things would, so they
(15:14):
would be unhappy. I mean, selfishly, I would be happy
to have them, but the uh, one way you can
counteract out a little bit is with cat cafes, so
they're becoming more popular. So they kind of go out
and got a little time during the day and you
search for a nearby cat cafe that can that can
definitely help.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, that's that's something that I've done. I've had my
wife tell me, can you still stop talking about the cats?
And they're her cats. I'm like, I don't know, I
missed them, want to hang out with them. But you're right,
unless you like train a kitten to go out and
do stuff with you, from like the beginning, it's they
don't want to.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
They don't want to go got to start young, for sure, they.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Start young, just like with my just like with my son,
which cat was one of his first words, by the way,
oh yeah, which was very special.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So on the road, what's the most exciting thing is
to go back to kill Switch. I know I got
a little sidetracked there with all this the common stuff
that you know we enjoy. Is there something that you enjoy?
Is it other than playing music live? Is there a
favorite city that you can't wait to go to? Are
there friends in other cities that like, oh I can't
wait to go on tours is the only time I
get to see them. What's the kind of your the
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few of the favorite things about you and touring.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That's a good question for sure. When we get to
go to places like around the world that are just
things you never thought you would really be able to do.
To travel like that as part of your job is
pretty pretty remarkable. It took a minute for me to
really take advantage of that, and at first it was
(16:48):
almost like, I don't know how to describe it, but
at first it was sort of it just felt more
like a job and that I didn't see the potential,
you know, work first pleasure thing out of it. But
eventually when I figured that out, I was like, Okay,
this is awesome. It's like, look where I am. I
can do all this stuff that it's great. I mean,
(17:09):
I mean Europe or something, and like I never thought
I would be going all these places, and I'm doing
it because of my work and I do have some
time and I can see all this stuff, and I
can say for a couple of days at the end
of tour and like I'm already here, I don't have
to travel there, and like you can do things like that,
So that's been a huge one that I'm that I've
(17:30):
finally I figured out how to really take advantage of
and enjoy things like that when like when we have
a Europe tour, just booking a little vacation around it
on either end makes a huge difference, and it's really
fun and the real lucky thing that I feel fortunate
to do. And apart from that, when you mentioned friends,
it really is being I mean, I know it sounds
(17:52):
kind of corny, but being with the band and the
five of us hanging out together, and then that extends
to our crew, especially guys that have been with us
like Alan and Josh here tour manager and a production manager.
I've been with us forever and ever and ever, and
just getting to spend all your time or you know,
a few weeks or whatever it might be with people
(18:13):
that are actually your best friends. It's kind of like
the thing you do if you're a kid, Like it
takes you back to being a kid. It keeps you
from feeling like an old man, which we all are
at this point, but you don't feel like it because
you're still doing kid stuff. You're still hanging out and
having sleepovers with your friends. So that's a that's a
really cool thing.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, no, I love that. I never really really considered
it like that. You sleepovers and you're doing it, going
all over the world and just playing music. I mean,
it's it's certainly a dream job. And you know, what's
really cool about the history of kill Switch and if
you could talk a little bit about you know, just
you're talking about the current brotherhood, but just the brotherhood
overall that extends because you don't see too many bands
(18:52):
where they had, you know, because Jesse had vocal problems,
so he had to leave the band for a little bit, right,
and so that's when Howard had to come in.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So yeah, and it's like it's still we've all kept
kind of together, and obviously from Signifier, we just sort
of keep that thing going and keep the you know,
just sort of just sort of kept it together. But
we're lucky. We're lucky to have had, you know, a
few different singers and have been able to maintain whatever
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relevance that we've been able to maintain over the years.
It is possible. I mean, you know, Anthrax made in
just to name a couple, but it's not super duper common.
It's it's a big thing that people identify with. You know,
I'm not crazy. I know that people hear music, and
the first thing that ninety five or more percent of
people will gravitate towards is the vocals. So that makes
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a huge change. You take that and replace it, to
change it. It's like a huge, huge thing.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's a testament to the music and itself in addition
to the vocals. But it's also the rarity of that.
But the fact that you can have like Jesse and
Howard like be friendly. Like there's so many bands that
go through these changes and it's like you left it,
leave it in history. Let's not talk about that guy anymore.
That's not the case with kill Switch. So it's just
(20:09):
a very you know, for a band called kill Switch,
it's a very loving band, very you know. That's the
way I interpret it. I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, I think it's sort of been one of the
big things we've had consistently over the over the many years,
is sort of I mean, we joke about we joke
about how Jesse will say this song is about unity,
and I'm like, are they're all about you? Like everyone?
But like it is, it's it's a thing that we
sort of we've sort of kept going uh throughout whatever
(20:43):
changes and whatever whatever's been going on with the bands
just over the over the many years. It's start of
always having that positive outlook what I was going on
around us and with the rest of the world, and
always trying to just bring a sense of positivity to
the music. This has sort of been it's sort of
(21:03):
been one of our teams. And if we're gonna have
somebody that we were just going to say, we don't
talk about that guy anymore and be a little, uh,
a little hypocritical of us, really would would be practicing
what we're what we're preaching, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, So that's just one of the things that I
love about kill Switch because if you can't tell one
of my other favorite bands, and hence also the name
of the podcast Appetite with Distortion, Guns are roses posters
in my background. They they've gotten better with that obviously
with this mini reunion, but there was a time, uh
don't talk about slash at all. So I'm just curious.
(21:39):
I have this thing on the podcast, like a six
degrees of g n R. Bacon of course, like Kevin
the six Degrees with Kevin Bacon, if you're familiar.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I'm curious if you have any connection to any of
the guys, if you ever met any of them, I mean,
if not, if you've seen them in concert, any guns
or roses, you know, thing that you know, or an opinion,
so anything that's connects you to Gena any way that
we may not know.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Really, it's just sort of crossing paths. Like we did
a festival once with them. I don't remember where it was,
somewhere in Europe. I think I want to say it
was somewhere in Italy. But like that's sort of a
real loose, a super duper loose connection. It's nothing crazy.
(22:29):
We also I don't remember what the band was called,
but you probably will know what was one of Duff's bands,
loaded like it was Loaded, I don't know. I remember
being in Australia and doing something with one of one
of the bands that he was. I don't remember it
was the sound Wave or a big festival, but he was.
(22:49):
It was one of his bands then that we were
playing I think, a festival situation with But again it's
a really loose connection.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I don't have anything stronger than that, except we did
have the best our best tour, like whatever ripoff design
shirt was the app type for you, I've been saying
the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That app type forstruction. Yeah, the cross with the skulls, right.
So Joel had drawn all of us, like Joel's really
good character kind of whatever, Darwer he did all of
us in that and it said appetite for consumption and
it was like the perfect knockoff shirt. It was really good.
(23:31):
But our managers were like, I can't really sell that
came out like it was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I was gonna say, I haven't seen that, so that's
not available.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
That was just it was like a tiny, tiny run
that we got away with. I think maybe in Australia
again for like a week and a half tour or something.
So I don't think there are a lot of them
out there. It was it was it was a good looker,
all right.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, by the way, I've had looser connections to g
n R. So it's just it's just it's a fun
way to kind of find things that maybe you know
or you don't know, So it doesn't it doesn't make
a difference here or there. But I am curious since
you mentioned appetite and you're a little older than me
because I was four when Appetite came out. Do you
remember when it came out? Do you remember all thoughts?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah? I absolutely remember. It was massive. It was a
game changing thing, and it was like I was never
really into into the hair metal scene. I'm not saying
that they that that's what they were, but they kind
of like broke that scene a little bit because they
were just there's just something different about them. They were
(24:36):
almost like they got lumped into it, but they weren't.
They clearly were not that band. And the record, it
was definitely it was definitely the most swearing I ever
heard on the record, and it was kind of like
I felt like I needed to listen to it in
secret so my parents wouldn't know I was listening to it.
But yeah, it was very clear. Remember remembering when that
came out. It was pretty it was very new, it
(24:57):
was very different. It was like it was big. It
was a big deal for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
See that little story there that it was the most
amount of curses you ever heard and you had a
hider from your parents. That's the kind of stories I
look for because I think that's just a really cool
thing and and honest and I'm sure a lot of
kids at that age went through with, you know, hiding
it from them because that was Nowadays everything is offensive
and and you know it's it doesn't matter like people
(25:23):
are like offensive just to be offensive. But back then
it was a big deal, you know, with the parental statement,
frontal warnings, so that, yeah, it would be.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
The tape I listened to in my headphone smowing the
lawn rather than the one I put on in my
in my room. You know, it was like that. So right,
just in case anybody was.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Listening right on, Oh that looks cool. I appreciate it. Well,
justin thank you so much for talking Gen r Kats,
the Simpsons, the Yankees, and of course new kill Switch
Engage are coming out on the twenty first of February,
so just thank you for your time, and I hope
we get to do this again.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, absolutely, it was great, great talking with you. And uh,
give your give your cat a little pet for.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Me, you got it? Thank you? And uh that does
it for this episode of Appetite for Distortion? When will
you see the next one? In the words of Axel Rose,
concerning Chinese democracy, I don't know as soon as the
word but you'll see it. Thanks to the lame ass security,
(26:23):
I'm going home
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