REVIEW: Back to the Beginning: A Farewell to Black Sabbath | Ep. 516 - Appetite for Distortion

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know what yes is Appetite for Distortion.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion. My name is Brando.
Episode number five hundred and sixteen. Welcome back to the podcast,
mister Jason Veil. How are you, sir?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Very tired to be expected after yesterday. I think I've
had about four hours sleep, but I'm super happy to
be back. Love chatting to your love, watching the videos
as well and the podcast, and checking out the Instagram
and Facebook posts that you guys are doing right now.
So yeah, super happy. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Did I the last time you were on did I
try to try the the old joke? Did I do that?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Or is that you probably did? But let's do it anyway.
That was like the episode four hundred and something and
we're on five hundred and something now people have forgotten
they might do it. This.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
This is got so a little catch up. So Jason here,
just I'm grateful as a listener, a follower of Appetite
for Distortion and myself and when I was doing more
consistently these fan reviews, and we can start off by
saying I'm sorry I haven't been able to do them
because some of you have been reaching out to me
and I miss doing them talking to my fellow Guns

(01:40):
and Roses fans all over the world. But it's quite
here right now. You know what that means. My son
is not here right now, so my Harrison Rex Baby
Brownstone has kind of made it very difficult to coordinate
all these around the time zones. Especially. It's one thing
if these shows were here in America, which hopefully they

(02:00):
will be at some point for myself, but I missed
talking to all of you in different time zone. So
right here. Wait, it's three o'clock right now, Jason, where
is it by you? What time is it by you?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
It's so we're in the UK and it's quarter past
eight in the evening.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Okay, so not bad, not bad, It's not horrific. But
this normally is around Harrison nap time, and that's I
can't mess with that. So Jason was on four or
five and a shout out to Amy the long COVID
rock star on on Instagram that they were talking about
the Hyde Park London review and you went to a

(02:34):
couple of recent shows in addition to the Aussie one.
But what were the recent shows you were at as well?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
So I went to twenty third Jujune in Villa Park,
which is in Aston, which is part of Birmingham in
the UK. And that's how we say it, just so
everyone's very clear. If they're from America, you say Birmingham, Birmingham,
that's it. Birmingham.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I probably would say if you didn't say it first,
because I'm the master of screwing up names. Anyway, Birmingham, Jesus,
I'm somebody. I don't know if this will register to you,
but maybe to those who asn't wearing my Yankees hat.
Or when I moved up to U to Massachusetts to
do start radio professional radio career, I called it, uh, Worcester,

(03:17):
and it's Worcester, and it's Worcester.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
The real one is actually just up the road, right,
so yeah, between it's actually between Bristain, where I'm based
and Bomiam, which is where I saw guns the other day,
and Villa Park, which, by the way, I know we
just quickly touched on. It was incredible. It was one
of the best shows. You know.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
My my wife and I were talking about going abroad
to see one of these shows, and uh, I'm jealous
of you and and those where wherever country I know
they're in the UK now and South America and Asian
all these places that they're really playing well. And that's
going to lead into our conversation later. But anything else
you want to talk about, just the shows he wants
to recently.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
So yeah, that was That was incredible because I actually
splurged out or spent a bit more money and bought
the Golden Circle tickets because luckily at work they give
us if we get like employee of the month type
of thing, they give us vouchers and I've won it
quite a few times. Nice and bought myself vouchers with that.

(04:22):
So's Ticketmaster as we call it in the UK, the devil.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think it's time and language.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
So yeah, I bought two tickets, one for myself and
one for Victoria, my girlfriend, and we went for a
Golden Circle and we were three people from the front,
which was just incredible. I've got some great photos, great videos,
but more importantly like fantastic memories of it, and I
just want to put it out there because today, on

(04:51):
the day after the Sabbath gig, You've just put an
Instagram post out which I highly recommend everyone's tweet you're
one about AXL haters. If you've got it.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, well I want to say it from memory almost.
I'm like, just the two words, and I've been watching
The Simpsons. If I didn't do a podcast about the
Guns of Roses, it would probably would have been about
sim Simpsons or I know he did a hard one. Whatever,
Get bent, just get bent. You're trying to just dismiss

(05:23):
and we're gonna again. We're gonna get into this later
when we talk about gn R. All. This guy has
done his careers as songs that will live on forever
for as long as Earth is here intact before whether
humans destroy it ourselves, the dinosaurs come back, a meteorite
destroys the planet. Guns of Roses and axles voice and

(05:43):
his words, his lyrics will live on. How you doing,
How the fuck you doing? Sorry? I had to get
out the fucking how you doing in your life today?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I was like, yeah, fucking yeah. But anyway, he was happy, fit,
singing really well and just enjoying it. And it's a
massive thing. Like he even stopped during one son Poldi's
in ears and I was like, I'm really sorry if
I go out of key, get out of breath right now.
Very early on words to this effect. He's like, I'm

(06:17):
just so happy. He's like, I've never had a sound
this good and enjoyed it this good in forty years.
And I was like, what a different Acts of roadse to,
you know, nineteen ninety one and all those years I saw,
And then when he didn't turn up for three hours
and was pissed off with everybody, and yeah, okay, he
sings different. He's like sixty odd years old. I mean,

(06:38):
I'm a fan, but I never know how old people are.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, but he's enjoying it and he's loving it, and
he really came across at that gig like big time.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
So I went into you know, you told me you
give me some feedback through Instagram and you and many others.
I'm very grateful for WHO and keeping me even though
I have been doing fan reviews, You've been sending me
videos and pictures, whether it's through DM or posting on
my posts or commenting on my post, keeping me up
to date with what's going on. So it got me excited, like, oh,

(07:07):
I finally get to see some guns and roses with
this Black Sabbath gig, which is I mean, wow, what
a day for all of us who love rock and
roll and heavy metal. This is something that we, not
just Ozzie deserves. I just feel like as a as fans,
we deserve the show with the world Rock isn't dead.

(07:28):
Fuck you, Gene Simmons. Sorry, I'm gonna curse a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
You've given me goosebumps just saying that. Man like it
genuinely so the I can't even remember how to pronounce it.
Back to the beginning shirt, the ass T shirt, it
was it wasn't just about it sounds really weird. It
wasn't just about Ozzie or Black Sabbath. It was about

(07:52):
this mass y know thing of heavy metal and rock
and everything that those guys started in a small might
offend people now, but it used to be a small,
really shitty place. You know, it was hard man and
it's well known for that. And you know they've got
out and they made millions of records and millions of

(08:13):
people's lives changed. You and I. We wouldn't be sat
here now if it wasn't for this. You wouldn't have
all those great posters behind you. If it wasn't for
a few bands, and one of them being Black Sabbath.
I know they're guns and Roses posters, but it's how
they influence people. And I know right now sitting here
with you, and actually I've been to a gig today

(08:34):
with my friends and I wore this T shirt and
I got stopped so many times and everyone asked me
about it. And the one thing I said to everyone
was I was lucky to be there, and that's how
we should always remember it as well.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I think a lot of people felt that way. And
I felt lucky to watch it and this is gonna
be part of the story and kept trying to get
Harrison to watch it, and that was, you know, like
hurting cats. I mean, it's equivalent.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Pas Mon's just come in in a minute, right on,
right on.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
My wife and are already talking about getting a new one.
At some points we always She's like, do you wanna
do you an orange cat and name an Axel. I'm like,
I don't know if I can just flat out do that.
If it happens, it is one, it's a shelter, we
find it, sure, But I'll keep you guys updated on
my our cat search when it begins.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
But you know, while you're talking about all the guns
and roses stuff, of course, behind my behind me now.
But I did have a black Sabbath poster in my
college dorm room. I did. I had the very generic
one that I probably bought in Spencer Gifts or Hot Topic.
I don't know if you've had those similar those shows. Yeah,
and I'll never forget this. You reminded me of this story.

(09:45):
And I'm still friends with my college roommate. This was
where I had a few roommates during my college years.
But this was maybe my sophomore year or whatever. And
I know this kid, I was already a sophomore junior
and I had some of my posters up on the
wall and one of them was Black Sabbath. And this

(10:06):
kid Mark, he told me after we became friends, you know,
nothing was an issue, but he's he was so religious.
When he walked in and saw black Sabbath, He's like,
oh my god, who am I living with? He was like,
I was terrified. And then little dorky me walks in.
He's like, oh, okay, you know he's a Jew. He's fine,
you know, so, but he had Black Sabbath. Yeah, and

(10:29):
then my dad, Uh, it's a memory, not like the
best memory on my part, but he bought me one year,
like an entire Ozzie CD collection because he knew I
loved Ozzie. But I'm like, that's a lot of CDs.
I don't know, Like I love Ozzy, but I'm not
gonna I love him that much. And I didn't show,
like I was so young, I didn't showed the right
appreciation for it. But I remember it. He's because he's

(10:52):
like he knew I loved Ozzy, So I mean, I
love Rozsie. And Sabbath goes as deep as I'm sure
every single rock and metal fan. And yesterday as we recorded,
I record this proves it. So sorry I cut you off,
Like that's right.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Is actually a dad's story as well. When I got
into Sabbath was through my dad. He brought in I
was into Metallica and all sorts of things. You know,
I was all eight years old, so it was quite
a long one time ago. The Black alb Want had
just come out or just coming out and all that
type of stuff. I didn't know who Ozzie was, and

(11:27):
he brings in this record and he's like, in a record,
you should listen to this, And my dad was like
Stones and Robin Trouer and Yellow and all that sort
of stuff, and he's like, I've got this, and he
puts it on and he gets the needle and the
older guys will all know this. And there's that when

(11:47):
you hear the dust and suddenly there's the rain and
the bell and I just thought, what the fuck is this?
What is he putting on? Like where are we going?
Is this like tubula bells or something? Thing? And then
Tony Bom movies a guitar. I've never been scared listening
to music. I was terrified at that moment and.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Hooked beauty and uh and I still went around for
dads right right on for dance. I mean, I'm sure
because I've talked about how he got me through, you know,
listening to through classic rock radio, which Ozzie was all over.
I remember the first time I heard Crazy Train. To me,
that was the greatest guitar I've ever heard. And that
was not not to me two millions of people, I'm like, WHOA,

(12:29):
Like what is this?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
In this?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Flash fell with years later, you know, with another one
of my college roommates, when the Osbourne's was first rumored,
there's be a TV show. Him and I, just being
music fans, were excited. This was before he was like
a celebrity, like you know, crossing genres. Oh, like wow,
and it just we've been fans for all life and
just to see the send off again. We're getting ahead
of ourselves because no, sorry, this is because I'm excited

(12:54):
to talk about it as we all are, because this
is an event that we all will remember, except for
maybe my son. So so today, as we're recording this,
they're gone for a week, and as you know, everything
about being a parent is true. I'm already going through
like just withdrawal of them not being here because they're

(13:14):
at a dance retreat because my wife's a dance teacher
for little kids and rather than leave me him here
with me for a week, go with her to a
water park for a week. I think that probably makes
more sense. But yesterday I was like, all right, you know,
my wife works, she teaches dance in the morning, so
I a lot that happens, a lot where I got

(13:34):
to wake up Harrison and all that stuff, and I
didn't know. I wanted to watch the whole thing. I
wanted to tweet along, I wanted to share all this,
but my son's a priority. So it's just so funny.
As it's starting, I'm like, oh, I've never seen master
Don before. I'm excited to see them. It's interesting with
all the current you know, the band members splits and

(13:56):
all that, the mudslinging in the news, Harrison decides to
take the big ship and like I missed their entire set.
I'm just like whatever, I'm getting ahead of myself now
because all I can keep talking thinking about is like,
that's what was most of my experience watching this was
watching him. But I want to talk so but that's

(14:16):
I don't know if people want to hear that, they
want to hear your experience because you actually went and
before I let you go about like when you made
the decision and all that. I almost got the shirt too,
because they were selling one online, not the same one,
not the same one, because your one is you is cool.
It shows like Ozzie back in the day putting up
as a is you know, the kind of the piece fingers.

(14:37):
But the the one that they show was just like
the bat they were selling online to all of the
people watching was just the back at the beginning there
the Black Sabbath, their their portraits, their whatever. So my
wife is like you're gonna buy a shirt of a
show you didn't go to, And I just felt like
a loser. So I just didn't buy it. But I
would I might have bought it if it was I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I like, so you you suddenly divorce?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
No? No, no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
No.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
She when she came.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Home, she was, You're like, hey, I bought it, Like.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, I appreciate her honesty if anything. No, And she
was because it's funny. Almost in preparation for this show
we've been watching, we've been binge watching the Osbourns, the
actual show I just mentioned. So it's on two B
in Paramount Plus or whatever. Enough of me in the TV.
There's more about that. So how did you get tickets

(15:28):
sold out in sixteen minutes?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Right?

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Something like that.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, So starting from back then, there was eleven of us,
eleven of us who decided that we needed to go,
we needed to be part of this, and like, we're
all Saber fans, let's go.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
So when we were with a group of eleven, yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
And what we all said, like, that's just let's just
try and get tickets if someone gets through, just by two.
So everyone was on there just by two, and then
you know, if I've got one but the other people haven't,
we'll just sort it out. Some people might go, some
people won't. So we had this big group chat of
eleven people, and I think on the very there was

(16:07):
a presailer Prestaylor presale of everything, right, there's like days
of it. And we went on the very first pre
sale day and I was a number one hundred and
thirty two in the queue and I was like, oh,
my god, nailed it done. You know, they must know,
they must know. They must have looked on my phone
and see how many times on Spotify I've played I
don't know, Hand of Doom or some deep cut and

(16:28):
then all the Aussie tracks. They're like, yeah, this guy's
an Aussie freak in the nicest possible way. And it
didn't get through, and we all of us kept our
eye on first day, second day, third day, fourth day,
and I think then it went on to general sale. Now,
of course everyone's moaning about ticket prices. There're thousands of pounds,

(16:48):
they're four grand, you know, there are a couple of
hundred pounds to just stooping money. We didn't care. We
were like, let's go all in now. I'm not like,
you know, being flashed and load of money and all that.
I don't meanly like that. We just didn't care. We
had to be there and it's a two hour drive
from where I live in the UK. It's easy to

(17:08):
get to. We have to be there, and none of
us got tickets, no one of us. And whilst on
this group chat and basically being pissed about it, the
big player in one of the bands I play in,
playing a covers band along with an original band, and
a guy in the covers band, LJ, dropped me a
text and it just said keen And at that moment

(17:32):
I was spewing and I'm like, oh, damn it, whateverucking
look at your message later. And then he sent me
a picture and it was picture of a screenshot he
bought two tickets, and he's like, hey, do you fancy
guys this Black Sabbath gig. Like I went online this
morning and I had a look and thirty seconds I
was in and I bought two tickets. I just kind
of thought you might want to go. I was like, yes, yeah,

(17:54):
I've never answered the text so fast in my life.
And so he got tickets and he was gracious and
enough or sensible enough, whichever way you want to put
it to offer me that ticket. So I technically didn't
get one but from him and then we went. Yeah.
So then to be fair, all my other friends, I've

(18:14):
known him for years and I talked about him last time.
I've known him since I was like seven, and we
go to gigs regularly. Yeah, there still, And they all
turned around and said, yeah, we'd have loved to have gone.
You are the biggest Sabbath and Ossie fan that we know.
You had to go.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
So it was just written, right, Oh, that's good. There
were good friends, yeah, because they knew, like, all right,
we all want to go, but Jason, he's the guy.
He's the guy, so that's cool. There's probably a lot
of stories like that. It is. It makes you wonder
because at the beginning, back to the beginning, I don't know,

(18:53):
they didn't announce that this was going to be a
live stream, because how many people from all across the world,
not just you who's too our drive locally closer, you know,
people who can want to be there, who were just
like you.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
A great example of it. Man, you'll you'll across the
other side of the wall a thousands and thousands of
miles a wear and eight hours time difference they had
to do. They knew they'd be doing it. Yeah, Sharon's
not an idiot.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
They probably were like, all right, let's not announce this
part of it yet, let's get people to buy tickets first,
and then let's let's do this. And you know, as
somebody who you know, I like how we're doing this
with somebody who was there and somebody who was not
watched it. You know, I bought a ticket, like just
the day before. Again, my wife made fun of me
for thinking about a T shirt. But I couldn't. I

(19:42):
couldn't wait. So I I I set my alarm, but
because you never know with me, am I gonna sleep in?
My son gonna wake me up? No, he was my
alarm that morning. I signed it on your side.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
So here's the thing. Here's the interesting thing. And I
do not from experience. I've obviously did not work this event,
but somebody who has worked live radio broadcasts or even
television broadcasts with iHeartRadio and other different broadcasting companies where
it is a correspondence between live and tape and there

(20:15):
is a delay. So my over here started at ten am,
and I think it had started at around three pm
your time, I believe kicks off.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
It kicks off at one pm, and I think there
was a delay for I think it was a couple
of hours.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Delays it right, So I'm not making up for the delay.
I'm see, I'm screwed up for the delay right now.
So there was a delay. So the only and I
get it because if you're gonna do a broadcast of
this magnitude to do it live, so many things can
go wrong. And there were glitches that did happen, and
I'll get into that, but so many things can go wrong.

(20:51):
It's just sucked knowing that I see we're seeing fan
videos of all these bands and all these things happening
before getting to enjoy it. And I wanted to be
like a world event so we're all enjoying it together.
But you know what, you guys in the in there
deserve to see it first. So that was my only
do you want to call it a.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Is that's the what do you call it? The blessing
and curse of the modern world?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Right right?

Speaker 1 (21:19):
The modern world in the sense of not to get
political in any way, but when they got Osama Bin
lader than The first person to announce it was The
Rock on a tweet.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, like I forgot about that it was him.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, I know. That's but that's a prime example of
stuff happens now so fast on the Internet. Even if
it was live, there would still be that satellite delay
of a couple of minutes, right, a couple of minutes.
It goes up, it goes here, there and everywhere, and
in that time someone has to go, oh my god,
look at this, because that's the thirty second world we

(21:55):
live in, right.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, and just even with the technical stuff, not just
and it happened, you know, throughout the show, tweets being
made and memes being made and all that stuff, but
just the technical side of it. So I thought it
was very simple the interface and very just well put
the interface of the back to the beginning dot com.

(22:17):
You know, there was a chat to the side and
at the and then at the bottom. I wasn't sure
what it was at first, but you could record yourself
for like a few seconds and it would show people watching,
and which was really really I thought that was cool.
It made you feel like, Okay, these are really these
are real people. I'm assuming they were a'n ai people

(22:38):
all around the world also watching and in between the acts,
you know, after a master Don when I was wiping
my hands and cleaning my son up, you know, I
there are interviews with fans that they're doing, and so
they were there were it was so well produced that
because that's if it was live, the it takes time

(22:59):
of horse because you can tell me how how much
time was between each act and very different when watching
it for me than you to experience it.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
So just quickly go back the interviews. Were they with
people watching it live or the people physically live in
the arena? Just curiosity. We did not see the live feed.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Say that again the first part. I'm sorry, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
When you were watching it live, you said there's some
interviews or those interviews with people like yourself or what
they were people in in the.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Event there would be people, it's like they went around
to businesses, getting around in the town. They went to
this local tattoo shop. I watched this local but I
just remember this because the guy was talking about tattoos
and he had savage tattoos and he was talking about
we got him in the days where tattoos meant you
were dangerous. You know, I don't want to hang out

(23:50):
with that guy. And now we all got him, you know,
not like my it's going to.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Say, look what you mean, We've all got them the
weirdest thing ever.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
I know that's what it is, but it's not like my.
You know, my white woodstock tattoo of you know, peanuts
is dangerous. But I mean, now everybody has tattoos. I
don't feel different anymore. Uh well, I guess my mine
are weird enough to be different. But anyway, so they
would do that. They would also very short vignettes of
like fifteen seconds of fans thanking Ozzie and thanking Black

(24:20):
Sabbath saying I love you. You changed my life, and it
was it was cool to watch, it was cool to see.
It wasn't just some sort of commercial. Of course they had,
uh they had promotions for the hospitals that they were
donating to, which I thought was great. I don't know.
By the time we're recording this, Sharon has not announced
the band that she kicked off because that band or

(24:41):
this artist warned money for themselves and this apparently this
was like, oh you haven't heard that. Now I heard,
oh you have heard what it was. Yeah, who's that?

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Well the rim was Vobe.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I haven't heard that. So maybe it is all.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
That I maybe it's maybe it's not. Maybe we're breaking
new maybe we're just breaking future friendships.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
I mean, I don't know how much of a source
either of us are on this, but I mean because
Kelly already responded that it's not the Mustaine. Oh by
the way, marsletov Kelly Osbourne who got proposed to by
Sid from slip Knight backstage. I mean, because what an event.
So let me go into so when did you did
you get there on time?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
We're so just the backtrack on something you said there,
and we were talking about the in between bands and
how long it took. I've never been to such a
fast running, fast pack show ever. It started like the
running order that we all saw online that everybody you know, posted, tweeted,
et cetera about, was the one that everybody had on

(25:45):
their phone looking at because they didn't tell you who
was coming on at what time. And he started with
mastered on and it's like five minutes early, five minutes
early to what they said. Actually, as you mentioned Sid there,
he was live DJing on the stage the entire day.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh really, I ain't all that.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, so he was live djings and like you know,
Van Halen intos, I don't know, some dance beat type
of thing, you know, typical said stuff, and that was
really cool. And he was projected on the big screens
either side before the bands would start, and then mast
On for example Logo would appear. They would play, and
then when they finished there was no messing about it,

(26:25):
there was no coming out taking pictures. It was thanks
by off for every band. And then if you can
imagine you're looking at the backdrop, the backdrop would rise
up and then the stage would turn one eighty and
a new band would be there. The backdrop would come
down and it was less than six minutes per gap

(26:45):
between bands.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
That's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
And what was Yeah, it's just fantastic.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Great is that sometimes they would show you that on
the live feed. Oh okay, so and that's fast. No,
don't don't let apologize for that for you to.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Be I've definitely not watched the live feed.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, it's good for those who haven't watched it yet.
But the fact that you see that and I was
able to and that they showed that again It was
very well produced, and I don't know what credit goes
to Tom Morello, who is the musical director all of
all this and who was the stage production, but I
think all around was fantastic, even down to the countdown
to Masterdon On the live feed was Black Sabbath's last

(27:25):
show in twenty thirteen or whatever it was, and them
saying goodbye and everything, and I guess thought that was
just this background waiting music. Nothing was more appropriate. That
was their goodbye so to speak, now without Bill Ward.
So thankfully we got him back this time around. So yeah,
man did.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Actually run They did actually run beat He's like that
in the stadium as well.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Okay, right on, So that that was.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Really cool and everyone was loving it and clapping and
you know, laughing and cheering.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay they did Okay, see, I love it.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Did they actually show the vts of Ozzie as well?
The comical ones.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
That I remember?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Okay, So Ozzie always used to do at ozfes and
his shows. You always used to have a couple of
weird adverts or things like Alanas Morissette, you know video
where she's driving the car and isn't it ironic? Et cetera.
Sia full video you think is her because it is,

(28:22):
And then it comes to her she's wearing a green jumper,
and then the red jumper, and then there's another one
of her in the back in yellow, and then it
comes to Ozzie dressed as Alana's morissette. Yeah, and he's
like Ozzie taking the piss, you know. It's like different
things like that. There was a matrix one and all
sorts of and they run loads and loads of those.
I was really hoping it was on the live feed.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Oh, I think I was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, they were just really funny.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Now the thing he did that was funny after, you know,
mentioning Kelly getting proposed to, because the video was filmed
of that happening. As soon as he gets down on
one knee as he goes, you're not fucking marrying my daughter.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Ruins. Ruins.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
But I mean the odd the eyes, the whole thing.
That's so brilliant. Some massive don I mean like Connor
heard them you know in the background. Did you enjoy
their set?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, I mean I'm not I'm not on the heavy
heavy side, although I'm massively in the Sabbath, you know,
like some mastered on Lamb of God. That type of
thing is not where I sit nowadays, per se. And
so I've heard them a few times. I've checked them
out a few times. I wouldn't say I'd turn them
on all the time, but they don't turn it off
if it comes on on Spotify or whatever. But it

(29:35):
came on. They did two of their own songs and
then they did a Sabbath cover. But it really set
the tone for the day and it was great because
everybody didn't really know what to expect. How people playing
just Sabbath songs are just their own songs? Are they
paying three hits and then they're off right? And then
Sabbath just playing Sabbath songs at the end obviously, but no,

(29:58):
they came on and then three random drums appeared and
you had the drummer from Kajira slipknot until I mean
amazing And as soon as that I obviously you saw it.
But as they come out and they started drumming, it
really set the tone for We're not just at a

(30:18):
master on a tool gig or whatever. This is different
and this is you know, shit's just got real. It
got and it really amped everybody up from the very
first band.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
That played right on you know What, And I'm gonna
do it like that with setting the stage because if
I go through each band, even with just like a
quick little review, We're going to be here forever. But
I do want to mention the because I don't I
don't know where I first saw it. It was that
that lineup that was leaked the day before that could
just like drop it like a's odd. It's like I

(30:52):
really try to be the one that just doesn't want
to be first. Is this real or if I do
post it and I'm not sure, I let you know.
I don't know if this is real, so I let
people this is not confirmed. It looks pretty good. I
don't I don't know, uh, because I do get caught
with those sometimes, but I'm always open and honestfully, I
do my best. But with that schedule that I leaked,

(31:16):
it shows you the h the way that we are
all linked in our brain that like it's just such
a common thought process because the first word in the
time said doors, and I'm like, the doors are going
to be there, and everyone started thinking that, I'm like, well,
John Densmore is still alive. Robbery Krieger is still alive.

(31:37):
We can we can do this, but obviously not the
doors so Master Donald was great. Uh, it just did
a great job. Rival Sons, I've never had a chance
to see them.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Just incredible. I currently never seen him live. They came
out and I've never heard of band so big. They
just sounds huge. And there's a keyboard player and a
guitar player of lot to do that. And I have
that huge amount of you know LEDs that playing Robert
plant inspired lead singer with suiting, no socks and shoes on.

(32:09):
It was just rock and roll and their cover. Just
go and check out. It was great.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I want because them, well said, well said, because them
and Hailstorm, and I know, and I'm jumping around because
again I'm because I'm getting I'm too excited because I
want to go through each band. But again, I don't know,
does anyone want to listen to me for two three
hours talking about this. I want to try to keep
this within a nice little hour, you know, cap I'll

(32:38):
see what happens. But there are certain bands here like
Rival Sons and Heilstrom once we'll get to in a
second that I really hope the world saw and then
see that rock is in the right hands. Rival Sons
fucking killed it. If going back way back, it was
like I think it was episode episode eighty four, Mike Miley,
the drummer was on talking about baseball, talking about Axel

(33:02):
and so just a great band and they deserve to
be on that bill. But I'd be remiss because yes,
Macedon set the tone to go back to that. But
Jason Momoa, how great of a host was he? How
appropriate of a host was he? Because he you know,
he has the confidence to do everything, but he is
a fan and uh what was that experience like because

(33:24):
he I think he came out after Masterdon to kind
of like introduce the world to what's going on.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Right. Yeah, So when this was announced and uh, hey
look this is what we're doing. It's massive thing Sabbath,
these are all the bands. I literally turned to my
mate and when Jason Momo is going to be there,
he's well, it's like Jason Momo is the biggest He's
a huge Sabbath fan, right, He's as big as anybody
else that was there as in a fan wise, but

(33:53):
he's notoriety. You know a lot of people know who
he is, even if they're not Jason Momoa, Hey, it's Aquaman. Yeah,
and for him to to be the compared for the
day was a great choice. But I do think he
should have come out before, and I asked it one.
I do think he was having far too much fun,
to be fair, he was just loving it. And to

(34:14):
see by the way, I've never seen a man change
so much in my entire life. He had so many
T shirts and outfits. Yeah, every time we saw him
he had a different outfit of jewelry on or something.
But that that's TV stuff, right, Yeah, But he loved it,
and he was personified what the real true fan that

(34:37):
was there, and I mean the true fans because I'm
not the gatekeeping, but some people who were there were
just there because it was a you know, I'm into
rock and heavy metal tick. I've got ticket, you know,
and some people that's what I've ever listened to. And
he's one of them. You know, He's he lives and
breathes sabbath rock and heavy metal, and he is a

(35:01):
man that is in the public eye who isn't into
Drake or Travis Scott or something like that. Sorry, I'm
just pulling names out of my ask because he's not
that type of person which is popular music, you know,
and he flies the flag for us.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Who's that? Actors at Hoppy Arap Aardem recently speaking about
because there was something about it was he went viral.
He was filmed at a Jewish priest concerts like rocking Out,
going crazy, and he was interviewed on on found about
it and talking about all the bands that he loves,
and he's that's what you want to see. That's why.
It just makes me so angry. All the rock is dead,

(35:39):
all this stuff and you see the shittiest music at
the top of the charts. It's like, why, why when
there's all this amazing music exists. Anyway, I digress. I'm
gonna go up on another tangent here that's.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Gonna say we're two old men Shahanna Clouds.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
At the moment, I know I got the whole. I'm
a combination of Grandpa Simpson and like an angry ton
angry tona Danza. How you doing? I don't know. So
I also want to go through the band still quickly,
just because it will help set up because I was like,
I'm very fortunate to have had some of these people
on the podcast like Mike Miley. Anthrax of course killed it.

(36:14):
Lucky to have had Frank Bellow, scott Ian and Charlie
Bananthy on the podcast. Charlie should be coming back on
with Carla Harvey and they both have been guessed separately,
so the fact is they have now a new project together,
so working on getting them together. And Anthrax, I mean,
my god, that's just like an an ageless show to

(36:35):
watch scott Ian, all those boys do their thing.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I I think Scotty scott Ian, nunobank Or and Geezer
Butler are actually just vampires.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Geezer look great, nu No, I mean, my god, looks
as as handsome as ever. Jason. It was probably a
handsome off between him and Jason Momoa uh lamb of God.
I'm with you. It's it's not my type of vocals,
but I spec the hell out of them.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
You know, people loved it. People were again I was like, okay, cool,
it's like three o'clock already, I'm like chilling. But people
were loving it and respect to him. Yeah, get involved.
If that's that's your thing. Just jump up and down,
sit down, be quite whatever makes you happy watching the band.
You want to do, just get involved in do.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
It man right on, and to see Mark Morton, who's
been on the podcast before, who's credited Slash with helping
him get sober and making it look cool, and Slashes
celebrated nineteen years of sobriety.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
I saw that Megan plasted it.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
That's incredible, absolutely amazing. You know, just to think of
what that guy almost dying several times and now he's
addicted to playing, which was a good thing to be
addicted to. Uh, the supergroup bro, like they didn't have
that first supergroup I got to look it up, which
was Supergroup A, Supergroup B. I think Supergroup A was

(37:55):
Was that what the one Dave dreaming or was that
the one before? Oh no, that was the one with
the guy from Ghosts right, yes, yeah, so he always
thinks his name. But like it, I might have.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
To sort of put the two supergroup things together, you can,
because it was an outstand It was an outstanding idea
if there was Tom Morello's idea, brilliant idea, bring everyone
who can do a couple of songs, play a little
bit out and just keep the crowd energy going, you know,

(38:27):
and we mentioned Dom Vampire number one in Abating Corps.
He absolutely crushed it and carried that. Oh god, he
was he was the He was the star, one of
the star players of the day. And I don't mean
players that like you know m vps. I think you
call it in the stage.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Like he
was kind of like the astar MVP. You know, he
really was.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Like he came out and it's the first time I've
seen extreme and I've seen Extreme in the nineties and
very recently, like a year or so ago, and I'm
going to see him now in like this a couple
of months. But he came out and he was knew
no bancor, but just turned down a little bit. Yeah,
and I not like physically turning down, but just like

(39:11):
if he's like one hundred percent, we're going to turn
him down to like eighty percent. And he just locked
in with the drama and he played and he somebody
else was doing a solo. You know, it was just
like yeah, cool man, I'll play rhythm. I'll just stand
over here, Hey, running Wood, are you playing sode? Like yeah,
no worries man. And it was just it was amazing
to see and talking of Running Wood. I think that

(39:32):
was actually later in Supergroup B.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
But yeah, I had to listen in front of me.
But before I can't believe I jumped ahead too. I
have to backtrack the Hailstorm. I happy because Lizzie Hale
is amazing. I definitely before I'm happily married, had the
biggest crush on her. I don't they should be, in
my opinion, a way bigger rock band than they are,

(39:57):
and they're already successful. Her voice is like she should
be she should be everywhere. She's like, she should be
like what Dave Roll was when he was everywhere. Uh,
she should be like that. I just thought she'd killed
the ultimate sin. She nailed her their songs. Of course,
she's on my bucket list of people to interview. So
I guess I'm.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Glad Youally gone back to her because I saw her
for the first time it download a few years ago
when Metallica headlined, and again her knew who they were,
was like, yeah, that's cool, and she came out there
and just within the first seconds of vocals killed it
and I was like, oh my god, I've got to
watch this woman. And then when they came out of

(40:39):
this show, I knew what I was expecting. I've seen it,
you know, I've seen her do this and the other
I've seen her sing with skid Row. I love asking
back to Death, loved Eric when I saw him, but
she crushed. Oh my god, she was amazing skid Row.
If the listeners of all the watchers have not seen it,
pause it, go and watch her playing with skid and

(41:00):
come back to us chatting nonsense. She was epic. But
she came out and did their songs great, and then
she again twisted it and we didn't know what was happening.
And they covered Perry Mason by Ozzie because we were
all thinking everyone's going to do a Black Sabbath cover,
but it's not. It's a Ossie and Black Sabbath. And

(41:21):
they did Perry Mason. They did a really good job.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
That's right. With Hailstorms, she did Perry Mason, which.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Is that right? And then when she came out obviously
with the Supergroup.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
The Ultimate, there we go. I had again so many
lists in front of me and reading comments.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, and then obviously Jakie Lee, I mean, geez, as
an Aussie fan, that's just like not only it's got
really bad arthritis. I think in his hands nowadays he
doesn't play a lot. Then he gets shot before that
he hates like Sharon hates him. So Jaki Lee is
definitely not going to be at this, and there he is.

(41:56):
He's standing on stage ripping it and he lets you
know knew No played the full solo as well, and
he was just the two of them and Lizzie singing
was just out of this world she was.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
But I have to reply because to this. You know
what the picture I told you about before of Axel
in games Headfield, she tweeted it. No, No, Axel tweeted it.
So this was a big enough deal for him for
Axel to tweet it. So whatever may or may not
have been between him, Axel Rose and James Hedfield.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
They different people. You're very different people.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Now, but you never know. People hold on to gripes.
There are plenty of those that do. And I think
Axel is the showing it is going. When we get
into the guns and rows to set, everyone's like, get
to it. This episode is will be longer than an hour.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
I know they're liked. We hate Hailstone. Just get on
with it, you guys.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
He's such as a like a role model at this point,
it's crazy to say that, Like.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
It's just different. He's a very different person.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Solely from our point of view. So yeah, we're excited,
So let's go to let's get back to the Supergroup
because we we're going to go off on a G
and R tangents and then go back and forth. But
the Supergroup. Just so if you're interested, uh, you know,
you know Betting Court, like you talk about Mike Borden,
Dave Elvison and Lezzie Haile, Jaki Lee who survived you know,
getting shot. My god, I don't know your opinion. I

(43:24):
like Jack Black. I know for some reason he's controversial.
I think people need to get over it. He's just
one of those like people like to hate him kind
of thing.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
So what I'm going to tell you about that moment was,
I don't know anything about the controversy of Jack Black.
I don't really care. If I'm honest, I'm very much
a yeah, I take people on a lot of superficial maybe,
but if yeah, I don't know any of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
He's just a funny guy. Did they have that up
on the screen when he was kind of like a
skitch okay. It was like a school of rock situation.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
So they had the two young lads that came out,
Tom Morello's kid introduce it. I don't know if they
showed that. They came out and they talked, they talked
to the audience and they said thank you, and here's
our band basically, and then they played that on the
screens and everyone's like, oh, that's bloody hell, that's great,
you know, mister Crowley not not a simple song. Young

(44:17):
lads starting on the keyboards, and then they panned passed
it and I was like, wow, they've set it up
just like the old BBC footage, you know, with the
amps and the white Randy amps and the black amp
they had on the top, and then the backshot of
some guy's head and I thought he's a bit older
than those kids. Maybe it's the teacher. And then he
turned around and everybody in the stadium burst out laughing.

(44:42):
It was a rapturous laughter. And everywhere you look, people
wait in tears of laughter watching that. It was. It
was just genius.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
He's I've been a fan of Tenacious D. Jack Black,
I mean he's been God. I've been watching him in
movies when he was skinny when he was a kid.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
When he had no beard and less hair, and yeah,
I feel like we did.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
We had exactly. But I love him. He's somebody who's
totally comfortable with who he is. And he's a great singer.
That's why is so good.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
And again he's like Jason Momoa, he's a person of
it's a celebrity. Sorry, Yeah, he's a celebrity that's into
the music that we're into and he doesn't shy away
from that.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
And I know when he talks about the rock and
roll Hall of Flame and he said, there's some kids
out there now that can go out and get every
single Aussie record and put that record on tonight for
the first time. And that's fucking awesome. You don't realize
how fucking great that is.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I know, I know. So I mean that the Jack
Black thing was surprising and just a nice bit of
entertainments and almost like, you know, a comedic relief, even
though he did it well. Oh and the only I
guess slight gripe, which I didn't think about until later,
and as like the radio programmer in me because as
he did, mister Crowley, you know, Ozzie does it later.

(46:10):
So it's just like that happened a few times with songs.
I'm like, oh, I got to hear the song. I mean,
it's a great song, but it's like, okay, he has
a big enough collection of songs that we couldn't have
had no repeats, so whatever. So Jack Black was that
was actually.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
The first thing we said finished. But I wasn't that hilarious?
Set the stage up great? How amazing. Tom Morello's kid
was playing the Randy part just perfectly, And then we
were like, that means we're not getting mister Crowley.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Oh that was the conversation.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
So that was in alheind kicks off the Bingo card.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Right, Oh wow, Okay, so that's that's an interesting way
to think about it. Okay, now Ozzi's not gonna sing
it now, I guess he did. Next was Alison Chains.
Never had a chance to see them live with up
to this. During their set was the only time I
experienced audio issues where it went out for like, I

(47:08):
don't know, two minutes and the chat room's freaking out,
And it got fixed pretty quickly, and there was even
a command prompt saying sorry about the audio, refresh your page,
make sure you're not a mute, so I just thought
the whole presentation of it was still done very well.

(47:29):
I haven't mentioned though, and I don't. I don't know.
Maybe because I was doing I was tweeting in surfing,
surfing the web, as they said back in the nineties
while this was going on, so that the feet would
be choppy at times. But I think it was also
just choppy at times. But when I just made the
screen big and it would watch, it wouldn't be as choppy,

(47:51):
So I think that did play into account. But overall,
other than through allis and chains, it was good. The
set sounded great. You know it's I'm sure they're tired
of hearing it. I know William doesn't sound like Lane,
but I'm glad they are another band. Just appreciate what
they're doing. Because this is where I go into the

(48:11):
comments section before guns a Roses, I said before the
comment section, and people are saying, you know, where's Lane,
not Lane? Shut up? There's nothing had to be done
about that. Man letting Joy Joy, Mike and Jerry cantroll.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
And what you got to remember is you can sit
there and tweet that or yeah sorry, tweet sit there
and say that coming because they're there. They could well
not be there, because they could well have stopped as
a band, and you could well be talking about a
band that you used to love from the nineties and
never never did anything after their great singer passed away.

(48:49):
But we're lucky enough that we'll stepped up and doesn't
care about that stuff. It's like, hey, look, this is
a fucking awesome band. We've still got to put it on.
And I was lucky enough to see Jerry. I've had
a bit of a couple of weeks of it. This
is not my normal life. Jerry Cantrell, then Guns of Roses,

(49:09):
and then met Richard Forts that's another story, and then Sabbath.
So I saw Jerry Cantrell in London the other week
with his band, and this is the first time since
the nineties. I saw Alison Chains and it was great.
It's really good.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
They're professional band and that well. I think I've tried
to coordinate when they've opened up for Guns of Roses
to see that, but it hasn't happened. But I mean
around for a while, so I know I'll catch them.
I know I'll catch them.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
I love the Ossie style jacket, the Black Sabbath Ozzie jacket.
I don't know if you saw that.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Oh yeah, with the fringes all on it, and we
were like, that's a kind of a cool nod.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
He had the fringe jacket for anyone who's listening that
Ossie was pictured him where he used to jump in
the air and all the fringes would hang off it.
But he had like a brown version of it.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
It's on your shirt, the one you're wearing.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Wearing a shirt of the shirt that one that William
Devall was wearing.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Just keeps on going.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, you're right. Exceptions, you know what. I'm glad you
pointed that out. I didn't put two and two together
at that time, like, oh, he likes that's what the
vibe was.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Anyway, it certainly looked like that to us.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
It sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
I'm going with it. That's exactly what he's trying.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Gorgeira there, Wow, they really are forced to be reckoned with, Like,
how what an impressive band man. And we saw it
during the Olympics. Those who aren't like into that heavier
metal it was. I hadn't I knew of them, but
That was my first like, whoa, this is who they are?
And to bring out that the opera singer she killed it.

(50:44):
She's doing like head banging. I just thought they they
are they are a fantastic band that represents the genre genre.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Well yeah, so well done to the French Olympics for
doing that. For start, they just were like, yeah, hey,
we could have got anyone and we got really heavy
band that some people know. Yeah, they're a big band,
but again we're a niche within a niche. Yea, We've
got to remember that we're not you know, eleven billion
people who listen to Ed Sheeran and you know, Coldplay

(51:14):
or something, you know. But to put them on what
great platforms going on? And then obviously the Olympic performance
was epic, but they came out and did a great performance.
They looked amazing on stage with a big silver guitar
that the main guy has again never seen them live,
sounded just like they did on the record, like really good.

(51:37):
And then like you say, they bought the opera singer
Lady out and everyone just got she must have had
the best day. She must have just like I'd love
to see her tweets and stories of like, oh, yeah, yeah,
I used to be an opera singer. And then this
random dude wrung me up and I sing on a
song about chopping heads off or whatever it is is
in French, and then I'm in Villa Park where that is,

(52:00):
Like she just yeah, and she looked like she was
absolutely loving it. Again. It looked like Jason Momoa super
fan person enjoying it and taking it in. And I
think that's a big thing that I saw so many times,
with so many people just embracing it and just really

(52:21):
enjoying it, and actually is probably not a bad time
to talk about it. A lot of people talked in
the comments afterwards, which I looked out this morning. Never
read the comments of anything. It's probably the best thing.
It goes back to It goes back to your post,
right and ah, the crowd of lame are people a ship?
First of all, it's really long day, not using as
an excuse, it's really long day. They ran out of food.

(52:44):
There was an hour and a half wait for if
you needed to drink, which was a nightmare. And we
don't all have to just film stuff to enjoy it
or jump up and down. Some people don't want to
jump up and down. Some people just want to take
it all in. But I'll tell you what, I've never
seen so many mos pits in mine's high life going
at once and Goodjea is one of those bands that

(53:07):
that was happening to that lady singing the opera song
to ninety percent of the people not knowing what they
were talking about.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Steven, I'm glad you mentioned that because I did see
comments about the crowd and you're right, and like you're
not there, you know what it's like. You see a difference.
And I've talked about it when I just go to
a show here in New York and you see crowds
in you know, Venezuela or Brazil, and they're just like
waves of people. I mean, oh my god, how do
you compete with that? But every time they would show

(53:36):
the crowd and I'll get into it with Ozzy with
the crowd, which was huge, but just you say, everyone
was having a good time, and whether it was Jason
Momoa the opera singer, just it added to the day.
It just added to the viewing experience. Easily the best
dirty bucks I ever spent, you know, And just because yeah,

(53:59):
these are certain bands that maybe I wouldn't see and
I'm watching them, now, what's adding to that experience other
than yeah, just playing their music. It's just seeing little
moments like that. I'm gonna stick with me, seeing this
opera singer just going like yeah, you know, and just
you felt it, you felt her passione, right, you're right?

(54:19):
And after that something else. I would never watch ever
a drum off. Why would I like, why would I
want to watch a drum off? Because I have enough
drums in my life. I have enough. He was There's
a short video of Harrison sitting on my lap during
Rival Sons smacking this. Quickly after I stopped that video,

(54:41):
he smacked me in the head with one of the drumsticks.
So I did not want to hear a drum You
want to hear drum off at that point. But it
was so good. Travis Barker, Uh, you know Carrie from
Uh from Tool and Chad Smith, Danny Carrey. So but on.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Paper, that sounds like that sounds like you're pissed up, right,
You're like, okay, cool, Like it'll be ten minutes, I'll
go to the bathroom, come back. And it was captivating.
And again, I don't know if it's down to Tom
Morello of like, okay, guys, instead of just you play
one beat and you copy it and we're trying to
see who's better, Chad or you're going to win or whatever.

(55:15):
They put it into a song. They put it into
a Sabbath song and then they had this awesome band
around them. Again. Knew no, just I wasn't even playing
anything at one point. It was just hitting percussive notes
that he does, and he just made it sound so
much better, way more entertaining from me to me anyway.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
It was I was like, this is cool, and I
was Showan Harrison with that. I'm like, look, drums, drums,
baby shark, daddy head. I know, daddy, but I'm telling
you I made a tweet. It was with a meme.
Someone asked me it was recently the anniversary of the
Riverport Riot, right, I think it was on the second

(55:55):
of this month. And there's that famous because it's not
a picture per se, it's just somebody still of the
video of happened where Axel's pointing out at the audience
at Stump and you see Izzy's face. You know, obviously
it's all kind of pixelated because it's an old video
and you're just freezing it. But you see Izzy's face like,
oh my god, what is happening right now? This is like, yeah,

(56:16):
this is happening right now. Uh So I put someone
one of my listeners, like, I think Colin. Shout out
to Colin, who, like, how has no one ever made
this a meme? And I was trying to think about
it and my son. I just put the the caption
of demanding baby shark on the TV and then under
like Izzy, my caption of me just trying to enjoy

(56:37):
back to the beginning that was with so much of this.
Thankfully again, my my wife got home from her job
before guns and Roses, so no, oh, we'll get to that.
There were some there were some things there that made
my experience fun. So anyway, Uh, there's so much to
talk to. So the drum the drum off. Harrison's crazy.

(56:59):
Oh and bye, by the way, as again, as I said,
he's gone away for a week. My wife just texted
me all my some of my I don't know if
you follow me on Twitter, I know you follow me
on Instagram, I tweeted, because this is true. Harrison started
laughing at farts and he loves the word.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
So that's a lifelong thing for men.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
It's all I've ever wanted. That's all I've ever wanted.
So my wife, she's like the very first thing Harrison
started talking to people about today was farts and making
fart noises. I hate you so much, lo ol, so brilliant.
So this will be the kid that I'm talking about
as we keep going. So the drum Off super group
B which included the music director Tom Morello, got Billy Corgan,

(57:46):
who I think did a great job kk Downing who
I'm glad he was there to represent Priest, although Priest
was there in the video package, which is kind of weird.
So we had two priests, Adam Jones from Tool Rudy Sarzo.
So they did a great set which featured holy shit, Park,
I don't know how else to say it, Stephen Tyler.

(58:08):
I mean, what was that like when he came out?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
So, like I said, unfortunately, we were in the cheese
sheets and I saw him come in and he was
either either that's somebody's grandma or Stephen Tyler O right
with the rock and roll grandma. I love Steven Tyler.
He's epic. I remember seeing him years ago, various Smith
and just blown Away and he comes out, Jason Momoa
introduces him. They're already playing part of the song. Yeah,

(58:35):
and he came up and again just like you couldn't
get anybody better to do that, So he stopped. He's retired,
isn't he from touring? As in Aerosmith? Right? Right? So
these type of things perfect. He did a benefit concert
in La One in New York, I believe for the

(58:56):
Child's hospital. I've forgotten the name. He goes Genie's okay, sorry,
So they did those and then for him to turn
up there was like, oh my god, of course he's
going to be doing this because he can still do it,
and he really brings the heat of it, and he
brings that seventies rock and roll, eighties I don't care,

(59:17):
you know, like big rock star vibe, and don't get wrong,
you've got no bank or on there. You've got all
these other people. Sorry, I've forgotten the list of other
people that are on there at that moment in time,
but you just know it's Stephen Tyler. For God's sake,
you know, he comes on and were in two seconds
he's throwing sunglasses in the crowd. His jacket's gone somewhere,

(59:39):
his hat's gone somewhere, and he's down to his waistcoat
and he's scarfs being Steven Tyler and he blew everyone
away again. And I'll keep saying that because loads of
performances were spectacular.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
On the start record, it really was spectacular. And this
was about the time my wife came home, so I
was able to actually enjoy this. You know, here take
our son. But yeah, it makes you think of he
could do it in these small bursts. So what happens
if he were to do it. I wouldn't wanted to
push himself. I'm just asking kind of like a just

(01:00:14):
just to ask if he goes for an hour, does
he is it pain? Does he start to bleed? Could
he do more damage? So there's a reason why he
doesn't like this. So he's kind of like the goal
uses sports analogy again, he's like a closer. He's like
a middle relief pitcher in baseball. Just someone who comes
out throw it one hundred miles per hour and then
he's gone. He does his job. So train kept the

(01:00:36):
rolling walk this way and hold what are the best versions?
I mean, I've never seen led Zeppelin, but I mean
a whole lot of love.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Wow, the vibe of that and the audience from hey,
audience participation. You play that riff, everybody knows. It doesn't
matter what language you speak, everybody knows. It's like you
can do as bad as that. People know what it is,
and yeah, just what a great song for him to do.
And again the vibe of that, it just uplifted everything.

(01:01:08):
And again, like people who is standing there watching Lamb
of God and Kajira heavy bands and loving it. Stephen
Tyler comes on from a rock band. Really, you know,
if you go saying heavy metal and roll doing a
rock song, classic rock song, people loved it, you know,
and it was it was there was no disparity of like,
oh god, here's a he's a seventies rock band. You know.

(01:01:31):
It was, Oh my god, it's Stephen Tyler doing Led Zeppelin.
What the fuck are we watching? Where the hell did
this come from?

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
And I'm glad that Zeppelin was represented in his whole events.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
It is Actually it goes on to a good point
that I made when I was about eighty point I
was I made when I was maybe it's good or not?
Is apart from Sabbath and Aussie there wasn't any British
representation on paper. And then obviously we've had a led
Zeppelin song and KK down me and that's bought it up.

(01:02:06):
But it was like, oh, man, like, I know priests
are on tour, but for priests to do something, you know,
they did a great war pigures video the other day. Yeah,
and it's like it's killer, and yeah, don't get me wrong.
KK Downing came on and he was the best version
of KK down and he was just a classic seventies
rocker with his tight pants on that maybe a bit

(01:02:28):
too tight, you know, and you know he's big, flying
v and he just was KK down and he was
super loud by the way, like so loud, and everybody
else was like here and then he kicked him through
solo and it was like Jesus Christ and it was great.
But yeah, I'd like to have seen a bit more
the British And that's being picky, like this was the

(01:02:52):
most ideal concert anybody could ever go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
To im for sure. I mean he had again to
go to it and for the world to be able
to experience it was special. So next as a band,
I have this version of Scene live. I did not
see Pantera back in the day. I saw them open
up for Metallica last summer, and they were they blew

(01:03:17):
me away, one of those bands like talking about Alice
in chains. Yes, of course, we want, you know, Vinnie
to be here, We want din Back to be here.
How do you know what they wanted? Oh, dinodt want.
This is the version they're playing the music that I
never got a chance to hear live, and just that
they killed it. You could see how grateful Phil Anselmo

(01:03:40):
is to be there and happy he is to be there.
He thanked the Avid Brothers right away. So I mean, Pantera,
I'm just so glad they were part of this day
and that music. Man, you know, day to celebrate haavy metal.
How do you talk about how do you Pantera's was
like my eras almost it was like them in Metallica. Man,
you can't have one without the other. So I'm glad

(01:04:01):
and pan terrors around in some version, let's do it.
So I'm glad they were a part of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
It to be on. Like you said, Metallica and Pantera
they were. If you're doing a send off to the
Great Sabbath and Aussie but we're going to invite other bands.
You have to have Metallica, you have to have Pantera.
It's just if you look at the lineage, that's where
it's going. Those two are in there, and then right, okay,
what was we putting in? That's that to me is

(01:04:28):
what was Okay. We've got Panthera here, got Metallica there, Right,
we need some other great bands. Well we stick handsracks
over there because they're epic and they're influenced by it,
and they had to do that. And I saw Pantera
back in the day with Dinebag famously among my friends
at Donington. I thay famously because I got knocked out
during it. Long story, we'll leave that one, but it

(01:04:50):
was funny. But I did experience them back then, and
I went to see them. I think it's February time
they played over here at the NEC and was right
near the front. And the best thing about that was
I thought it was going to be a load of
old farts just like me, and it wasn't. It was.

(01:05:11):
I was definitely most people's dad, you know. They were
twenty year old kids loving it. And Phil asked back then,
how many people have seen Pantera back in the day
and I'm like, yeah, yeah, it takes me a minute
my arms, Arethritick, Yeah cool. Yeah. And how many people
have not seen them before? Ninety percent of people, And

(01:05:33):
that says it to me. There's still a desire for
that band. Whether you believe the incarnation of Charlie and
Zach within that band or whatever you want to call it,
the Pantera tribute to it, it has to carry on
going like that. And so for a time, you know,
do I believe in they should do new music? Probably not,

(01:05:55):
but for them to be on this bill, it had
to happen. And Phil sounded incredible. You know, Phil's had
some times where he's had some hard times in his
life with problems and stuff, and he hasn't sounded great
and he did sound really good. And that was just
on their songs. You know, they had to do Walk,
they had to do Cowboys. Hell, you knew they were

(01:06:15):
going to do that. We all said, are they going
to do you know, Planet, Planet Caravan? And then Phil
said it's my favorite song and we recorded it and
couldn't remember what album is on, which is great. It's
so Phil and it's and the thing is, well, we
will probably what album was on, but some filter I
remember I love that. But if you go back and

(01:06:36):
listen to that from my memory of it watching it
for one time, he sounded so ouzsy. When he first
started it, he was down on his knees on the
stage and we're out his shoes and socks on, which
is just sing nowadays, and he shorts and his T
shirt and he got down and I coul genuinely thought,
why are they playing Aussie? Why are they playing the tape?

(01:06:57):
And I was like, no, that's that's Phil and he
sounded great. And yeah, we thought when we had a conversation,
they're not going to play Planning Caravan because it's on
the record they always play. I mean it goes that well.

(01:07:19):
They didn't any Black Saba song and they really did
a good job of it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Okay, sorry, you're breaking up just a little bit there
you hear us?

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Yeah, you're good. Now, So we're all good. I mean,
it's we're at the halfway point. I mean, it's it's
a it's like back to the beginning. How can he
do a long show without any glitches? So we're past
an hour of I mean, I was so fool to
think I could do this into an hour, just so
much I want to talk about uh and to relive

(01:07:50):
from the show. So we move on from Pantera to
to Tool, a band who was another band I would
love to see. And it's very funny how I just
notice today's world of being negative and and I guess
that's like the fun thing to do. People just make
fun of Tool. I mean, the funny joke was like,
how are they going to play? You know, fifteen minutes,

(01:08:10):
They're gonna get out one song? You know whatever? That
that's funny. But Tool growing up was always like the
kids smoking cigarettes, like by the locker, who would always
get the tension, like always like the bad kids would
always like Tool. They were always like kind of like
I don't know if I should listen to this. No,
I love Tool now. When they kicked off with forty
six and two, I was like, fuck, it's my favorite songs.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
The hat to start with that? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
I mean that was that was the one like again
on paper, But what are they going to do? They've
got to do that. It's the gateway, the kateway drug
to Tool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Right, There's there's so many again, Tools, I don't talk
about them a lot but I I really do love
I love them. I can listen to an album of
theirs and just leave it. You know, There's not many
bands that I can do and just just leave it
like that. Uh And and Maynard seems like he was
having a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
It's a shame. I don't know if he'll ever come
on the podcast because I don't know if him and
Axle are at odds. But then again, I guess spoke.
I guess I'm not breaking news because we're recording this.
Whether the allow picture of James Headfield and Axel so
who knows. Maybe Maynard and an Axle made BFF or
BFFs now too, so who knows? So tools awesome Slayer?

(01:09:29):
Of course they're not. They're just doing shows like this
now they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yeah, he just did a show. They did show a
couple of days ago in Cardiff, which isn't far from myself.
It's about forty minutes hour away of that, and then
works my way up to Birmingham, played this show and
then they played London last night. But they they were
like Slayer are like three songs of Slayer, four songs

(01:09:54):
of Slayer's just intense. I remember seeing it slay years
ago in like Innsboro or somewhere when I was away
over there, and it was just intense and it was
no different and I think I counted here you go.
The crowd was dull and boring. No, there was I
think fifteen circle mush pits in different locations around on

(01:10:19):
the field in the ga in the Golden circle. Actually
there was a really funny mush fit. Every single time
he looked in the Golden circle is a huge mushfit
that there was one dude and whoever that DoD is,
if everyone knows him, yeah, like respect to him. And
he had a bright green T shirt on and he
stood right in the middle of the mushpit and he's

(01:10:40):
stood like this and he didn't move and the whole
thing went around him and he never cared about him
and he had his arms in the air sometimes and
he was just like the rock in the middle. But anyway,
so say, like I said, he was just going crazy,
Like everywhere was going crazy. There was empty bottles being
thrown in the air, there was mush pits everywhere. You know,

(01:11:01):
Terry King's is squealing lead stuff that he's doing and yeah,
and correctly for wrong but I don't think because I
actually I actually did try to go to the ball
from the very last second of Slayer, but it didn't
work because it was massive cute. But I don't believe
they did a cover. I don't now, let's just go

(01:11:22):
on paper if that that's true, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
No, that's they did. Oh no, they did the Wicked
World oh today.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Oh sorry, I must have been stu.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Yeah, I'm looking in No, it's fine because it's interesting
because I'm looking at the Wikipedia entry that's already up
and after a Slayer though was fred Durst changes? But
this makes me because this is not listed then because
I remember when changes happened. I'm like, this is we're
talking about repeat songs. I'm like young Blood did that.

(01:11:51):
So I don't know where I skipped over young Blood
because it's not in this lesson I'm looking at. I'm
curious because I'm not you know, I know he's now
I'm gonna really sound like Grandpa Simpson of the Cloud.
It's just I knew that song Fleabag, which is kind
of cool. It's just I don't know. I just he's
just not for me. I thought it was okay, I don't.

(01:12:13):
I don't want to. I don't want to be negative.
I don't want to be a hypocrite and be negative.
So if you'd like the great just so, so, what
was the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Part about olymp Biscuit, because it's like he so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Yeah, so fred Durst, this was after Slayer. Was it
on the screen for you guys? He covered changes? Oh no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
We didn't see any In fact, it was a big
thing of like, oh, he's on the he's on the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
But sorry, so after Slayer you didn't see anybody until
guns or Roses.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
That's interesting, all right, So yeah, there was a pret
there was a package of fred Durst kind of reminds
me of of reminded me of when they did the
Who cover behind Blue Eyes and you know, he's doing
his slow thing of changes, and it just made me
think of, uh, yeah, you can watch it after the show.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Had not had zero idea how happened, because Changes was
obviously earlier on one of the super groups with young Blood.
Like you're just saying so again, young Blood's not an
artist that I picked up on too old sitting up
on a cloud with you shouting the clouds and but
fine again, I'm not I'm ambivalent about it. It's not

(01:13:21):
something else turn on, not something else turn off. A
friend of mine amas massively into him. But he's been
on the podcast with the Osbourne's obviously a friend of
the family. You know, Kelly loves him, brought him in
on that little you know, the thing that's happening now,
and he loves Ossie you know, and loves him and

(01:13:43):
you can see it, you know. And they've talked on
how in the past they they feel very akin with
each other as similar ages. Knows, he's like, you know,
you're a young kids that's come from a shitty background,
you know, all of these things with I think he's
got eighty eight or Tourette's. I remember, he's got a
few sort of issues for himself and he's overcome them

(01:14:07):
and become this massive start again. It's not within our sphere,
but it's not to say he's rubbish. And what we've
got to remember is there were kids there, yeah, you know,
they are like real kids there, and they're all wearing
Aussie T shirts and black Sabat shirts and their parents
are taking them a few of them and if they
can get inspired or if somebody that's massively into young

(01:14:29):
Blood and has got no idea who sabbathis, doesn't care
his dad music, I don't care. And now he puts
this on his Instagram, which is where they suddenly are
getting their music from, and they get inspired by it,
and then they go back and they check out every
single one of those Sabbath records. Amazing. You know, he
just perpetuates the legacy. And it's for a younger person

(01:14:53):
to do that, it's incredible. And then for him to
come up. He came on stage and I like, oh,
it's young Blood, and he's like, he swept back hair,
he's got a black suit on, black shirt, black tide.
He looked cool, you know, he looked really cool. And
he put his foot up on the monitor and he
sung changes and I tell you what, no one person there, man,

(01:15:13):
woman or child wasn't crying so and and it was
a poignant ship. You know, like, one day this is
this Ozsie won't be here. Yeah, and that's why we're here,
you know, Ozzie, he's a Bill Tony. They're they're people
that we have grown up with and we feel something
kinship too, you know, in some connection, and they're not

(01:15:37):
going to be there, and it was a real moment
of like, oh ship, you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Know, maybe that's that's when it started for people. Because
they had that song. It hits you and even even
with the bread Dress playing it, those lyrics and that song,
you know you love it and you're starting to get
emotional as a watcher. It's like I was here to
rock out, but now I'm feeling things. What is happening here?
But I was, but at this point, you know, you

(01:16:06):
didn't see fred Durst, so again changes we talked about
the two people that covered it. Let's get to the
band of the hour, the band of the show whatever,
Guns n' Roses, Yeah, ran from California. It's little bands
called guns and or Roses with axe rose without an E,
without an E. She's those the haters and we'll get

(01:16:28):
into the haters. And I look this whole time watching it.
The whole time, I was nervous for Guns and Roses
set because the last time they were televised with during Glastonbury,
they were destroyed. But I tend to go on people
like you bands that go to the show. When I've
been to the show. What I see as opposed to

(01:16:51):
just stupid comments. I mean those are annoying, but sometimes
the videos online are not good. But it's just through
a phone, it's not so we'll get into that. So
I'm just worried about what is Axel couldn't sound like
just to flat out say it for this and a
lot of the rumors. Are they gonna play It's all right?

(01:17:11):
Haven't played since the nineties, of course, famously on the
live er CD cover of a bill Ward Black Sabbath song,
And that's how they started.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
I mean, they couldn't have started it any like. They
couldn't not play that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Did you notice? Sorry, go ahead first, I always even
notice because I guess I want to literally set the
stage here with all right, because he had the piano,
but there was no Dizzy or Melissa, so it was
just a five piece band. So my assumption is just
to keep it we were talking about before, keeping things moving,
the stage moving. It would have been a bigger production.

(01:17:48):
They get their equipment going, let's just keep it moving.
So no Disney, no Melissa, and uh yeah, five piece
and with Axel on the piano for It's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
So going back the setup part, so the stage turns around,
the band aren't on it and there's a big ground
piano and the guy next to me, who I didn't know,
was just a random dude I was sat next to.
I didn't know anybody around me, and he goes, oh
my god, they're going to play November and I was like,
they're not going to play November air. They're definitely playing
this all right. It's gay. I mean, it's the Sabbath

(01:18:18):
thing and like again. So I was lucky enough to
meet Richard Fortus about so they played him. They played
in Villa Park on the twenty third on the Monday,
and on the Friday. I got to meet Richard at Guitar,
Guitar and Camden which is in London, and I went

(01:18:40):
and met him. Sorry, there's a reason for this. And
when I met him, he's been really gracious and amazing
to me in the past for a couple of things.
He sorted out some guitar stuff for me in the
past and I was like, right, I gonna go and
see him. And I took my Richard Fort's guitar which
is there with me and here we go. We're digressing,

(01:19:05):
but there's a point.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
To this, Okay, it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
I took my Richard Foy's guitar and he signed the
head stuck for me beautiful. Yeah. So while Steve he's
doing that. Whilst he's doing that, he he asked me
if I was going to the Sabbath show and I
was like, yeah, I'm going, and he was so excited,

(01:19:28):
like honestly, he went, oh my god, oh my god,
I've got to tell you something.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
You saw me. You showed me that part of the
video he was And then I have.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
A video of him signing my guitar and sorry my
poster that I had as well, And the whole idea
was to just film him signing the poster, so like, hey,
he really did sign my poster, isn't just myself? And
then you can see the excitement in his face. I
stopped the video because I wanted to talk to him
rather than just video, and he basically turned around and said,

(01:19:58):
we're doing four songs. Do you want to know what
they are? It's oh my god, I've got to tell you.
I shouldn't tell you, but I've got to tell you.
Oh my god, like right, so and I'm like, no, no,
don't tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Really yeah, And I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Said, I know you'll be doing It's all right, and
he just looked at me and don't tell me anything else.
So when the piano rolls out, I was like, right, cool,
what they're playing? At some point, did I think they
start with it? No, because I was a bit like, oh,
it's a bit. It's not a high energy song, you know,

(01:20:33):
and Guns and Roses a high energy band. The whole
event is a high energy band. Why would you start
with something that's relatively you know, just one guy and
a piano. But it was actually the perfect way to
do it because it's just the energy just went up
rather than up up. Oh we're doing that now we're
going to bring everybody back up. That's harder. When the

(01:20:55):
stage rolled round, sorry, the piano on it and so
you can see straight away we've got Isaac set up,
nobody else, you know. Slash has got two amps, two
cabinets facing backwards. Rich has got one cab facing backwards.
Duff's got one cab. That's it. That is that's a

(01:21:17):
that's a fair sized bar band, you know, and it's
like that that's Guns and Roses. Wow, Well like that
is the b rick. That is the get on, get shipped, done,
get off, and even more so just to be nerdy.
You know, Slash comes out and he's playing an SG
with a cable into a pedal board, and Slash does

(01:21:38):
not press pedals anymore, you know, like he does a
man that does that for him if he needs to
change during a song.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
I'm glad to be nerdy because I don't know these things.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Yeah, I could be nerdy for ages. So if he
needs to boost a solo, he presses a pedal which
would increase the volume, and a couple of other things.
He has his guitar tech backstage, he would physic press
that button for him. He would be watching him on
the monitor and he press boost and everybody is suddenly
hears Slash louder. But he doesn't do that because he

(01:22:08):
can be anywhere on the stage and doesn't have to
worry about it. But he was doing all of that
when he was there, and normally they have the wireless packs,
so he's not a wired they can go anywhere. But
they were both on cables, you know, all three of them, sorry,
were on cable because they didn't need to go a
long way and he needed a quick changeover and less
gear and all of that, and it was great to see.

(01:22:29):
It was a stripped down, like I've never seen Guns
of Roses like that. It's stripped down, smaller version of it.
Yeah yeah, so uh straightway actual starts and he's got
a problem. He's like, damn it. I don't know if
they cut this out in the life. And he's like,
damn it, you know, and he stops. He's like, oh, sorry,
my fault. And he hadn't turned I believe he's in

(01:22:50):
ear monitor on because he couldn't hear himself, so his
hands behind his back, he's turning his ears on and
then jokes about it. It's like the forty six forty
eight thousand people there accel of past would have either
carried on or got pissed about it. And he's laughing
about it. He's like, oh my god, oh yeah, so

(01:23:13):
that that was It's great to see that as a person.
That's what he's like now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
It certainly is and yeah there that was one of
the comments. And I get it, and I feel bad
for Dizzy and Melissa, but they're like, oh wow, this
is Guns of Roses. This five piece is what we're
used to or what what it used to be, I
should say. But it was an interesting way to watch
guns of Roses this version of it, so to go
from It's all right to and I admit it. You know,

(01:23:41):
I like Black Sabbath, but I was not familiar with
much of the later work, like never say Die in
Junior's eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yeah is a great blues rock song.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
I'm introduced to it now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Yeah, never say that the album is off as well.
It is fantastic. But as soon as they did that,
it's like, of course guns of racers are doing that, like,
of course, what a great idea. So if you listen
to the original, and this is a guest goes back
to the harsh comments that we get about Axel Mickey

(01:24:15):
Mouse can't sing blah blah blah, go and listen. I'll
tell you what again, stop the podcast, Go put that on,
Put that record on and sing along to it. Anybody
even personally thinks they're good at singing sing along to it.
Ozzie's vocals are so high on a lot of Black
Sabbath records, a lot of them, a lot higher than
you think, and especially Sabbath, and then not so bad

(01:24:39):
when he's with Ozzie on his own. But again, the
register is so high. If you look at everybody who's
doing it that day, it makes sense for Axel's falsetto
voice to do that song and again not again sorry
that the right and Junior's eyes both very similar and
for them to pick it it makes sense. Yeah, I

(01:25:03):
would have loved to have heard nineteen ninety one Paris, Tokyo, London.
You know Axel doing that, but you've had a four
hour wait for stars, right, you would have possibly had
a riot. He possibly wouldn't have done it, and it
would have been only one show. But we got him
doing it then, and I truly think that it is

(01:25:25):
the right person to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
It was very cool song choices, even though I wasn't
overly familiar with that later Black Sabbath album, but of
course Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath to do that. So you're right.
You listen to those early Sabbath songs in Ozzie's voice
is very high in Okay, what would an Axel nineteen
ninety one, nineteen ninety two sound like on those songs?

(01:25:50):
It's not nineteen ninety one, it's ninety nineteen ninety two.
It's just and then people will compare it to what
Stephen Tyler sounds like this. Everyone's voice is different, everyone's
body is different. What what surgeries Stephen has had is
not the same or not the same as what Axel
has had. I I don't know. And this is I
guess what we're I've been teasing in the big crux

(01:26:13):
of this whole episode is Axel's voice. And you know,
because they in addition to those Sabbath songs, you know,
they finished with Welcome to the Jungle and Paradise City.
And I want to be honest too, I'm not gonna
be a sick a fan and think everything Axel does
is perfect or guns and Roses does is perfect. It
sounds different. And I don't want to use two like

(01:26:34):
a negative phrase you use. It's stupid the Mickey Mouse
you said it first, I wasn't gonna do I wasn't
gonna use that that. I didn't want to give any
credence to that tired old joke where everyone says like he.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Can we stop it. I know I said it. It
was a reiteration of one of my mates that came
with us.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
But it's like it's like the first time anyone's ever
said it or any other Uh comparisons they give to
Axel to just lattering comparisons. Again this I don't. We
don't know what's going on with his voice. It's very
interesting when you watch it where he does use the
lower register. Thank you for bringing that beautiful looking cat

(01:27:13):
into the cat into the frame. What's orange white cat?
I appreciated. Who's like a cat? Yeah? In and out?
But to again to I get you are allowed to
have your opinion. Maybe his voice isn't for you. Now
you don't like it, that's fine, but it's to take
the time out of your day when people are enjoying this.

(01:27:36):
I hate to say it, but as I'm watching the
feed enjoying the show, seeing these negative comments is flood in.
People can't wait to make fun of Axel, even the
fat jokes, which don't never applied. I think that, oh,
because he was a little bit bigger in his forties
and fifties as opposed to his twenties. He's never he's
never fat, And even the word fat, there's a whole

(01:28:00):
other conversation, you know, we can have whether that's what
that means. But he looks amazing now and there's still
these jokes about him being so there are people who
are just prepared to and I said this before, I'm
waiting for the axual attackers just to happen, no matter
how well he does or doesn't do well. So if

(01:28:20):
it's his voice is not for you anymore, that's fine. However,
people like you, Jason, and others that I've spoken to
that who have, whether also that were there or other
shows on this tour, have had nothing but complimentary things
to say about Axel Rose, either whether it's like, Okay,
it's not nineteen eighty seven anymore, or that when I

(01:28:41):
was there he sounded awesome. I've never heard a bad
review from somebody who's physically there. If you want to
comment on TikTok on a video that you saw, that's
your life.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
You want to make a negative comments on TikTok, great.
You don't want to go to a Guns and Roses concert, fine,
I'll go an extra ticket for my son and his
friends when he makes them and I we'll go in
the future. Don't go. But for you who've been seeing
them since back in the day, you haven't stopped seeing them.
So that's what It's just very agitating that on this
grand stage that so much good could be done. We've

(01:29:15):
talked about a lot of the good that's been done,
you know, with Hailstorm. I saw another comment that pissed
me off. People were trying to call her the angry
tailor Swift. Well, because they're both women who write their
own music, that's what is that? What does one have
to do with another? So you're gonna belittle both of
them like it doesn't mean So this whole day should

(01:29:36):
have been just praise, praise, praise. But the world does
what it does, the Internet does what it does. Please
do the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Day was full of praise by everybody that was there participating.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
I believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Every single person I've seen since, oh, fuck off and
get a ticket. Oh you couldn't because you couldn't get
off your ass and get one, because you couldn't be bowing,
or you couldn't get one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
I understand that, because you couldn't get one either.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
I get that bit. But like a normal even a
normal gig down the road is going to cost you
a fiver or twenty quid or five bucks, ten bucks,
And then you don't go to that, and then you
complain about it. Don't because you're not the person that's
up on stage, putting everything out there, writing a song,
performing a song, putting everything, or the person who's in
the audience actually turning up and doing it. Well done.

(01:30:25):
You wrote a bad comment. Bet you feel great about yourself.
I'll hang about what November Ain? Did you write that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
No, the songs you said earlier, and yeah, the songs
and the lyrics will live on. Yeah, I'm gonna I'll
read my because I try not to do this. Look,
I try to leave my venting now to this podcast
because on social media it's just going to context is key,
and context is out the door. Are people who are

(01:30:54):
not your followers, who understand where you're coming from, would
swooping and I'll get like an example, and you can
just get lost into it. The one time I got
really lost into it, and there's never do it again
after this was when Axel was brought up on those
like those false sexual harassment charges and I was defending
him because I'm like, all right, if I'm gonna defend

(01:31:15):
this guy, if I'm gonna do a podcast about this guy,
I'm going all in. And you're just like stuck online
like arguing with people who either if they're fifteen or
they're I don't know, they've they've never went to school,
or just like something, or just people who just whatever
you tell them, they're never going to change their mind
because they're angry. So or just don't say, Okay, I

(01:31:36):
have you have your opinion, let's agree to disagree. At
the very least. They don't want to do that, so
Axel haters can all get bent. His name and songs
will live on for as long as earth is intact.
How you doing, How is your life doing? And somebody
responded to this and I hate that his name is
Brandon because it's a great name. He's like, we have

(01:31:57):
visual evidence, and he put a laughing react. By the way,
I don't know about you as a grown man.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
I try.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
I'm very sparing with my laughing reacts, and lmao, I
don't tweet like a little teenage girl. I kind of like,
lol is fine. Haha is fine. But mL that's when
you know you have a troll on your hand. He
will give visual evidence that he should probably retire or
start incorporating some AI. First of all, I mean the

(01:32:26):
a the retiring thing is just I said to him.
This is the one troll I responded to. So you
have evidence of you're a thing. I have zero evidence
that you should tell another man what to do with
your life, with his life, especially when he brings joy
to millions. Who are you to tell somebody else what
to do with their life. Fuck you get on Twitter,
you get a job. A loser. Sorry, I see, I

(01:32:47):
can't put all this into a tweet. I have to
get this out of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
The thing is again on the twenty third of June
Villa Parte. There's forty six thousand people there who paid
the ticket to watch him.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Put it that way, I mean it's it's I mean
the band is killing it. I mean the band is
really killing it. People who complain about new music Chinese
democracy left over is this and that everyone can have
their opinion about something. But they totally dismissed this guy
who is still who is not that guy who's gonna
make you wait three hours, who's not gonna leave the
stage angry. You know, when he was thanking the crowd

(01:33:22):
during one of his sets, he's walking across, he's like,
thank you to Ozzy and to Sharon and you know,
to all of you, and he trips over something on
the stage. Guy he's just like, oh, he's like trip
over some shit. You know, he's laughing at himself, you know,
and you hear. I don't know if you heard it.
At the end, he said, do you have any idea?
When he finished Paradise City, how badly I want to

(01:33:43):
throw this right now? And I think he's not allowed
to throw the microphone anymore. So he had so much fun.
You're gonna take that all away from him? Because you what,
Because you're you're a beaves in butt head clone. That's
what this world, That's what the chat room has turned into.
This sucks slayer. Shut up there like people who enjoyed things.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
I've never thought about it before. Is the Beavis and
butt head, but it completely spot on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
But the butt head, but they're fictional. Don't be a
real beavers and butt head.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
But the the performance. So when we came out, I
think this is a good example. We came out and
we were walking down the street and we met there's
three of us that went, but we had three different
seats at different locations, and we were talking, oh my god,
wasn't this great? Oh my god? Just like you and
I are. And our bass player LJ. Sorry the name

(01:34:36):
job tell. He turns to us and goes, yeah, but hey,
that actual voice. It sucked. We stopped Dead, Steve, who
are playing another band with We stopped dead and Steve went,
I don't know what fucking gig you were watching, but
that was awesome. And then we carried a walk in

(01:34:59):
and that and again he is subjective, right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
That's that's a lot amongst friends. I'm not telling anybody
to feel a certain way. It's those who just go
out of their way. And that's what the whole look
I'm on the internet podcast is inexcapable. You say not,
then look at the comments. Alan Niven says not to
look at the comments. But I feel like that's part
of my job, a job, and I don't know. I
just if I'm gonna do, If I'm gonna be just

(01:35:24):
another talking head and a sea of podcast and a
sea of media, I gotta do. I gotta do something
every now and then just to tell somebody shut the
fuck up and let somebody enjoy things. Man, keep it
to yourself, we're saying amongst you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
I don't know, so I think that's the sound clip
for this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
And fuck up, and you know what, And I'm not
gonna be a hypocrit because I used to be that guy.
You know, I think I grew up on You may
not get the reference because he was a local radio show,
but like Opening Anthony and you know Howard Stern and
the comedy Central Row since South Park, where being mean,
being mean could be funny at times, it's all subjective,

(01:36:05):
I guess if you want to call it mean. You know,
there's certain uh like in the roasts, but there's a
time and place for everything. And I've just learned that.
You know, if I have somebody like like with young Blood,
am I gonna sit and making fun of him? Why
am I gonna make fun of young Blood? It would
be out of jealousy that I don't have his hair,
that I don't have his looks, that I don't have
like I don't have like things he has, And that's
what all. So I want to get that out that

(01:36:27):
I know where all this hate is coming from, and
you need to be called out on it. Again, that's
different than an opinion. Opinions and preferences are fine. I
said that too, if you have an opinion and a preference,
and that's fine. But to dismiss everything that Axel Rose
has done, Oh, they've had one good album, shut down
the fuck up. If you even if you want to

(01:36:48):
com bond, use your illusion one and two. If you're
one of those people, they call that just like a
lesser album or like that's not a good album one
or two.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
He's not a good album.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
The phrase is that what i've It's not that they'll
say that, oh I have not that. I haven't seen that.
People say guns and roses sucks. I mean, there's been
all sorts of things, and that's your opinion. That's fine.
I'm not here to change. Make my favorite band your
favorite band. That's that's that's high school. That's kids stuff.
I don't care you know about that. It's just when
you are sweeping, it's it's just the ill informed, I

(01:37:23):
guess going back to high school. It's those opinions that
sound like you really belong next to a locker. You know,
it's like what are we doing here? And then sometimes
you find out you're arguing with a fifteen year old online,
You're like what am I doing? Then you just tell
all right, I'm gonna go take care of my child
and live my life. I I you know, whatever, this
this person got one over me. They think so they

(01:37:43):
have home right to do good for them, But it's.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
Been going back to the actual physical performance of it.
The band. I'm going to take Exo out for a second.
The band on the tour recently, and I told Richard,
this is the best band that I I've seen in
twenty plus years. I've seen is He, I've seen Gilby,
I've seen the brass section, I've seen all of that,

(01:38:08):
nineteen ninety one through to twenty twenty five. This was
the best band on their solo on their actual tour themselves.
When they did the strip back Runner yesterday at the
Sabbath gig, it was a stripped back version of a
brilliant band. You can't take their way from him. They

(01:38:29):
were incredible, a great rock band. Right. Richard's holding down
his thing and you can see like you watch Richard
and he's a session musician that's a real rock and roller,
Like he knows exactly what he's doing, and he knows
what cards he's playing all of these. He's just in

(01:38:50):
it and he's such a guy to watch on stage.
He's the animated one. If you go and watch Gunza
Roses stop just there in a slash, watch Richard for
a bit when you really wow. And then and then
Duff's out there looking better than he ever has, like again, aging,
but aging disgracefully in a great way, right, And he

(01:39:13):
sounds phenomenal when he's singing and he's doing the backing vocals.
Isaac on drums, what a breath of fresh air. Don't
get it wrong, love Frank love Matt's room as well,
and Steven. But he just has this thing, you know,
and he's got a bit of a push to his
drumming and it creates a bit of a ump to
the music that you don't get. And then Slash is

(01:39:36):
just Slash, Like yeah, does anyone who ever says, oh
Slash can't play guitar, You're clearly are death.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
It's the same kind of haters that spell with an
E or any of these people like you don't understand, leave.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Them, leave them. Yeah, he's got top hat on. Yeah,
he's playing let's well yeah, great, well just incredible, right,
So as a band, is that just phenomenal? And then
I I think it was the best performance I've seen
in recent years of Jungle. No I don't, but was
it shit? No, it wasn't. And again it was every

(01:40:11):
I don't know if to do. The cameras pan round
to it, but every single person had the hand in
the air, you know, welcome to the jungerle screaming it Shannon,
and I mean everyone. It was a massive crowd participation
of it. Actual did right and did his normal. Still
thinks he's twenty sprinting across the stage running. He's the

(01:40:32):
only person who went right out in the wings. It
was like he's like, oh so my running part. Run
out to the end. And like you said earlier, he
looked great in a minute. He's lost loads of weight.
Wasn't fat, but he's lost loads of weight. He looks
trim and on their tour sounded like, you know, hey,
I've lost weight, I've had a vocal coach. How great
are I? And I'm loving life? And on this one,

(01:40:54):
so he ran out to the side and as he did,
he did, and I'll say this, he went massively out
of time. It was like, hugely out of time. And
I wonder if when he got out the end he
couldn't hear his inner monitors, because you can't hear anything.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
There are talks about that, yes, yeah, yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
That logically for me as as a person that plays
in the band. That's what's happened. It's not our actual shit.
He can't sing anymore, or he can't play with the band,
he can't hear the band. He's basically going, okay, so
I've run over here. I just said that word. I
know that it's about right because you sort of know
you're not like I want and two and three. You
just know it. And he's just out of the beat

(01:41:34):
and it was quite an off put in, like the
beat was happening, and he was like, do do them
rather than done you know, I know he's not drumming,
but with the vocals, and he was like, oh shit, man,
like I want guns and Roses to like wake back in,
come back in, come back over in this signal for
your in ears because I want everyone to go away
and go ship. They were amazing like oh yeah, not

(01:41:57):
oh you know, I don't want to give them any
AMMO for it. And it was a bit of a
shame that And that was at the end of Jungle,
and I think it actually happened at the end of
all on the part of Paradise City as well, and
it was he ran out of the sides and he's
just I reckon he's just lost signal on it. And
I know a couple of people said yeah, because he

(01:42:18):
was running around and then couldn't brave. No. I think
he just couldn't hear it. I'm honest.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
There's a lot. There's so many variables that people don't
take into account. They just think like, oh bad, And
there's so many things. Axel has to be one of
the smartest rock stars. He knows what he's doing. And
these are all things that happened. You know, someone who
deals with live broadcasts all the time, things happen and
it doesn't mean you're bad. You work around it, and

(01:42:43):
because he's such a professional, you make it work to
the best that you possibly can make it. And that's
exactly what he did. And when you're excited and you're
jumping around, that could also affect your timing and all this.
And I don't want to be remiss because Isaac. You know,
I'm not a musician. I've said that all the time,
so I can't tell. But all I can know is

(01:43:05):
the comments with Isaac have been just nothing but glowing.
I'm jealous of his abs and I mean, yeah, my.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
God, Like every time there's a picture of him, he
has no top on. If I look like him, I
would never wear a top even in winter.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
If that scene you ever see step Brothers, Yes, yeah,
one of the older brothers, like, you know, see what
I'm working with, He's like pointing at his abs. You
know what, am I going to show you my keg
right now? I'm not going to do that Before we
move on to Metallica, we can come frore what the
controllers will come on again? Did you take any pea
breaks during the show or what happened? No, Well, we

(01:43:42):
didn't eat.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
We tried to eat. There was no food. We tried
to have a peat. There was a massive queue. There
was no like water. They had water stage station, but
there was just a big que And that was a
self like self preservation of if I don't drink anything
and I don't die, that's okay. If you don't drink
means I don't need to pee, but that's also okay.
So like, and I'm a man that drinks like nearly

(01:44:06):
four leads of water a day and I eat quite well,
and you know, so this is the opposite of that,
and I was I was pretty much dying.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
I couldn't last because I'm gonna take a pea break
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Sorry. Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Hold on, So you could totally tell I was doing
the pepe dance right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Oh yeah, it was a good dance. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Oh god, this is I don't I don't. I don't drink,
but I go to the shows, like you just said,
for this reason.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Oh god, I can't have a beer if I have one,
that's like it's open. The floodgates is on. Yeah, I
could drink this like thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
You know, I'm fine, I'm just like casually sipping water
and I'm so excited I'm drinking more because I got
to shut up the air conditioner on my apartment so
it doesn't you know, bleed over the microphone, so all
the liquids going out. I don't know. No one wants
to hear this part of the conversation. But yeah, it
used to be called this Tallica. Right, there's the segue.

(01:45:03):
See I got this plan. Man, It's like like I
did it on purpose. Right, So Metallica, I mean I
mentioned before I got to see Pantara open for them
last summer. It was my second time seeing Metallic. I
saw them on the Summer Sanitarium tour like twenty years ago,
and I was excited for it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Of course they all look older, like we all do,
but Metallica always brings it. If you've never seen a
Metallica show, man, you know, I wish I saw them
back in the heyday. I don't know about you, but
just the two that I've been to are very memorable
and they are a great band. They're a great band.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
I think I may have seen him ten twelve times
now nice I think off the top of my head
that ninety one through to now. And then next year
they're coming to the UK for the seventy two tour
and they're playing in Cardiff, which I mentioned earlier. It's
like forty minutes hour away. And me and my friend

(01:45:59):
Jake have got snake pass snake pit tickets for it,
which is the right in the center of stage. If
anybody doesn't know, they've got like a doughnut stage and
it's I think nine hundred people in the middle of
the Metallica stage. And we're lifelong fans, we you know.
I was into them just before the Black album, like

(01:46:20):
just before because one was on MTV. My friend had
one MTV we used to watch, and it's going to
be done because Metallica, like you say, it's just again
coming out with the two guys I went with one
hadn't seen him since two dy and sixteen maybe, which
is Steve and LJ had never seen them. And they

(01:46:42):
both came out where and they both said, oh my god,
we've got to buy tickets for Cardiff. That was awesome.
And Metallica is a well oiled machine. It's just I
don't know what it is. I don't know how they've
become what they are and what they do. The other
bands don't do, you know, like what is it? What's

(01:47:03):
the secret formula?

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
And I don't mean like, oh, yes, therapy, therapy, watched
some kind of monster.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
Yeah, it's just getting really pissed when you're young and
then in therapy when you're still young. Is that it?

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
That's Gaxle I guess so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
But they yeah, they just they just such a well
oiled machine. And they came out and they were just
Metallica of now you know, it was a nice big
stage setup. They did the opposite of Guns and Roses. Really,
they came out with all their yellow cabs and they
you know, they're their M seventy two thing and Lars

(01:47:40):
with his big yellow kit, the whole nine yards, and
they came out with a Sabbath song straight away after that,
and it was like, and this is the thing. And
I think a few times this happened with bands, and
he definitely happened with the first couple of songs with Guns.
I think I mentioned it is they're almost quite deep cuts.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
For like you said, you never heard of Junior's Eyes
right right, which is fine, it's you know, it's whatever.
We're not meant to know every.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Every record, not every band's Guns and Roses, where I
know every song, that's just the way it is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
And there was someone else who's just in the Sabbath,
just in the Metallica, just into Saxon or whatever something,
you know. I'm just trying to think of some random things,
you know, Warrior Soul or whatever, and it's just like
it's a it's a deep cut. But when when I
was at that and experienced what I thought was just

(01:48:34):
just Sabbath freaks and then a deep cut comes on,
people are like, oh shit, I don't notice it drops
a little bit, and you're like, because Metallica, like, oh
my god, this is a great song. We love this song.
Why the hell wouldn't we do this song? You know,
and Roberts coming out and he's like obviously loving it.

(01:48:55):
You know, he's He's played with Ossie, he plays with Metallica.
It's like it's just there's a vibe from him. There's
a vibe from you know, Curt and off see Lars,
you know, the best front man in the world. And
James is the towering man that is James Hetfield in

(01:49:16):
physical stature and presence. Yeah, and they just, yeah, they
came out and he did that, and I think it
drops a little bit more than I was expecting. But
then he just built up and built up and built
up again. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
I mean as soon as they hit, you know, Creeping
Death and Battery and Master of Poppets, it's like it
this is and I get it, you know, even as
a Guns and Roses super fan whatever, Metallica deserve to
go on after Guns Roses this time. And I can
I wonder if that in that picture of Axel and
James at the show, if they're like, yeah, maybe it

(01:49:49):
was a good idea, you go before me this time.
You know, they're that kind of conversation about average. But
it was brilliant. Then it just came to the man
of the hour. I mean, this is well, this is
going to be a I was looking forward to having
this part of the conversation in addition to the guns
and Roses part. And I think why we needed to
kind of go step by step because it was it

(01:50:11):
became the event with OZI like, oh my assie now.
And I was lucky enough to have seen Ozzie only once.
I think it was the two thousand and four os Fest.
I want to say, so I'm lucky to have seen
him once, knowing you you've probably seen him like thirty times.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
In the past, no, back in the nineties. I think
it was I only saw him once, Okay, which is
so strange saying I'm a massive supervan, but it just
comes out like his tours. I lived in France for
a while and I wasn't there and all sorts of things,
and then she's just it's crazy when you say it

(01:50:55):
for me anyway, And then I had tickets for the
No More Tours tour, and then he got sick. Then
COVID happened. Then they kept your money for ages, and
then they gave us it back and it never happened. So, yeah,
it was nineteen ninety something. Zach was with him. I
think it's a no More Tours tour because Mike was

(01:51:18):
playing bass, Zach was playing guitar, you know, so yeah,
it must have been no more tours time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Well now it's no more tours. And this has been
a conversation amongst the music of rock fans for a
long time. Ozzie's last show.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
And Willie won't be you know. I even saw a
comment today of a guy that just before it was like, oh,
I bet he won't come out, and so I kind
of remember what posted on I bet he won't come out,
and I saw it today and there's the one comment
I commented on a press reply and said, looks like
you owe me money. It looks like you lost your bet.

(01:51:54):
But yeah, so it was it was palpable energy for
when he was coming on and what's going on? And
how's he going to get on the stage, what's he
going to look like? You know, this is all the questions.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
I'm glad he came up, you know, through the stage,
underneath the stage in the chair because I got to
see bb King when he was eighty six and he
was wheeled out. He was wheeled out on a wheelchair,
then sat in a like a you know, just kind
of thrown chair and rocked out for for an hour.
But I like how he came up like a wrestler,
you know, kind of from from the stage, which was great.

(01:52:28):
And then it was the dawns on you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
Making an entrance, Like he's got to make an entrance.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
You can't just like, you're right, you can't just wheel
Aussie out or you didn't know how it was going
to be. All of this was like how is it
going to be? And even with the set list that
you know leaked and I shared the night before, is
this really what's going to happen?

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
And what did that let's say, by the way before
because I didn't see the one before, how accurate it was?
Do you know? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
It was pretty accurate. Everybody was was was it was
like going down on one of those rundowns I get Freeheart,
I mean not as you know detailed. Remember it said
doors mastedon. I mean everyone had to.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
Was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Oh no, I did not have this song schedule, no
that that that no one had except for the people
who you know worked there. But to note that this
was like, actually Ozzy's final time and this is something
that he wanted to do. Yeah, and you're reminded even
though this was a Black Sabbath thing, Ozzy, Man, this
was an Ozzy thing maybe more so, and how his

(01:53:30):
music is might even be as iconic. I mean, I
Black Sabbath of course started heavy metal, but Ozzy's songs man,
I think people might if you're like a younger person,
you might know more Ozzy stuff than Black Sabbath stuff.
Because I found myself being probably lends itself to me
not knowing those Black Sabbath alms. I knew more of

(01:53:50):
all these, all these stuff, his solo stuff, the Black Sabbath.
So to hear him sing his his songs and right away,
because you're right, there are people like we're questioning it
because they if their last memory of him was at
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame where he didn't
really do anything. He was there, but it was a
different I don't know, he wasn't This wasn't all about him.
That wasn't all about him. That moment was, but this

(01:54:12):
was all about him. He was he was talking about
training and doing whatever he can with his Parkinson's I
mean what what a disease? You know, my my father
in law recently passed away from it with a long battle,
you know, Michael J. Fox, of course still fight in
the good fight. You know, it's so you can. You
could live a good life, but it's a hard life.

(01:54:32):
And for him to those first few notes was like,
holy shit, Ozzie can sing still. I don't know, sounds
like the record I grew up that that that live
album that I grew up listening to with Ozzie. I
forget which one it was, but Buda kan uh yeah,
I'm like, this sounds like him. This sounds like Ozzie.

(01:54:55):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
So we would have had exactly the same reaction. It
was fear, in trepidation, in all honesty, because you don't
want him to come out and be bad. You know,
you like respect this guy. You listen to it, You
bore all his records, have grown up listening to it.
You know, Ozzie is is my music, you know, in
that respect. And he came out and it was like

(01:55:19):
here we go, please be good, Please be good. And
he's the first two notes. You were like, holy shit,
he sounds like he did in the nineties, Like what
has he done, and that was the first song. Off
and rolling, and the whole crowd within like half a
sentence was just like you could feel it, like, oh yeah, man, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Great and it's to see Ozzie there. And you can
tell my wife said, I wonder how much it's killing
him that he can't run around the stage, because you know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
You got that vibe as well right now.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
I'm sure it did. But he knew, he knew this
was the only way, and I'm sure he was soaking
it all in. And you know, we can again, we
can go with a song by song and we'll get
you know, Sabbath. But when he goes since you know,
mister Crowley and suicide solution, Uh, suicide solution was going
like that was one of my beause a song. I

(01:56:14):
didn't expect and to hear that, but Mama, I'm coming home.
Was there anybody not crying? I found myself like they
were for the whole thing, for every song. So because
they showed, because you were talking about showing the crowd,
they started showing people like the little girls crying staring
this And I find myself maybe because you know, becoming

(01:56:35):
a dad now, it just makes you more of in
tune with your feelings, I guess. So I just started
getting choked up and I'm like my wife, I'm like,
people are crying and she's like yeah, I'm like yeah,
people are crying. And I'm like I'm telling you this.
I like, I'm getting choked I'm like, yeah, can you
believe it? Beoplere crying like it's it's just getting well stopped,
and he started crying while singing it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Yeah, so the first two songs to go back a
little bit. So he did the first two songs and
he was great. He was really really good. And I
think he did himself in slightly because he stopped to
talk to the crowd and he just hit I think
he hit him shit man. And you could hear, you know,
the old choked up part and he was like, and

(01:57:20):
I don't think that was from singing from anything else.
I think it was realization of this isn't it. Yeah,
you know, like everyone's here. That sounds everyone's here to
see me do this because this is it and I'm
experienced in this whole thing, and I love performing. And
he's always goes on about I do it because of

(01:57:40):
the fans. The fans, the fans, the energy, the fans,
I love you everything. Yeah, And you know, like as
Zach always said, you know, everyone used to say Ozzie
was a Satan worshiper, and actually he probably says God
and praise everybody, and he loves everyone more than a
preacher ever ours and you come out converted from it.
But yeah, and that was that means so much him

(01:58:04):
and I think he did those first two songs, got
a little bit choked up, and he got I don't
know if you saw he had a spray thing that
he kept getting what I was like, throat spray, anti
septic whatever, and he he suddenly was like, oh God,
I got to have it. And I think there is
the got choked up with the emotion. I think if
he hadn't hadn't have talked, which is not aussy, but
if he had no thoughts, he probably would have done

(01:58:26):
the next couple of songs a lot better. Yeah, and
he got into mom where I'm coming home, and you
could see it hit him like it really him and
he and and I think that was like you said, yeah,
we're watching it in the pit. Yeah, I think it
hit everybody. And that's in the moment that Zach came
in and did a bit more heavy lifting, and he

(01:58:48):
came up to the mic and started singing a bit more,
because yah, Zach is like, if you turned him up
a little bit and didn't film him, you think I
was he was.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Singing Zach Sabbath.

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
Of course, yeah, exactly, A great band. Seen him a
couple of times. Yeah, but he Yeah, he did a
bit of a heavy lifting. But I don't think they
should have just turned them up a little notch and
everyone would have been like, oh wow, this is They
probably wouldn't realized it was him.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
I know you said better. I'm glad that Ozzie sang
like that. I hope that kind of gets released. That's
a that's a moment in time to have him cry
and sing that. I mean these words that that Lemmy wrote,
that he made his voice made famous. Uh just what
a special and that that was. I felt like that

(01:59:36):
was everyone's talking about. Okay, is this gonna be the
biggest event since you know which, I don't think it
was live aid live A live aid is live aid.
I mean, you can't compare that. But if you're going
to have a moment like anything like Radio Gaga, it's
my mom coming home with Ozzie crying. I mean, if
there's anything close to that memorable, so at least for me,

(01:59:56):
I mean, that was just a special thing. And you know,
then after when he was done, it's like, all right,
let's go black Sabbath, Let's punch everybody in the face.
As soon as war pigs starts happening. Man, And you
can just see Bill Ward just like, thank goodness, thank god,
he finally got this moment. And I thought it was
so funny. He takes off his shirt, He's all bald,

(02:00:17):
fat man. I'm like, yeah, that's all of us, bro,
you're walking out.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
Bill came out, and he looked like if you look
at all the pre photos and him just in the
day and all that, he looks like a different man.
He looks like a healthy man.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
He was a lot of health issues, all of them.

Speaker 1 (02:00:33):
Yeah, but that's what I mean. Like he had heart
issues from way back in the day, and you know,
famously had a heart attack when they recording a record
and Ozzie thought it was a joke and left him. Yeah,
and he he came out. He looked like a different man.
He looked healthy, He looked and he came out for
the first again, first two and a half songs was

(02:00:54):
Bill Ward man like it's like, it was like, you can't.
Bill is an amazing jazz drummer and he's an amazing
big band drummer, and he puts that into what they
made is heavy metal and a blue you know, he
has this blues influences, just jazz feels. And you can
get Tommy Tommy up playing drums and he's a great drummer.

(02:01:18):
Mike Borden is a great drummer, but they don't have
that aspect because they're great rock drummers. And he has
a field thing and the second he started, you were like,
oh my god, it's Bill Ward. It's not anybody else.
It's it's not Tommy, it's not Mike, it's not you know,
insert any other great drummer's name. It's not Isaac. Because
there's these weird fields that he does. And that's from

(02:01:41):
you know, maybe that's because again, you know, you're talking
about guitar and bands and stuff like that. Maybe that's
part that I read into a bit more, but you
could feel it, you know. And then you've got like
the last, the last, as I said, the last Vampire
he's a butler, just crushing air. You know. How is
that man seventy? He's a year younger than all.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
How has he been on his podcast? I don't even
know how that's happened. Uh no, No, it's man, just
the four pillars of them and Tonaomi. The cancer battles
he's he's fought through.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
I enjoyed telling my wife the story that we all
know about his fingers getting chopped off back in the
day at the you know, the industrial mill, you know.
And look at what he's he's created, you know. And
I'm trying during well all this is happening. By the way, Harrison,
of course, he fell asleep during Slayer, and then he
wakes up during I know, I'm like, really bro raining

(02:02:37):
blood and does nothing for you? Uh and then he
starts to he passes out. My wife ends up taking
an out passing out too, which I didn't know. He
starts waking up during guns and Roses, and I'm like, hello,
can you can I It's like I'll be waiting all
day to watch this. Can you help me with him?

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
Waiting all my life for it? Wait about day day, all.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
Day, all night. I don't I don't know where I
am right now. Uh so she was if I'm holding him?
He fell back up. Honestly, what during guns and Roses?
I mean then she came out, She's like, who's on
right now? When she woke up, I was like, I
was napping my guns and roses? Oh sorry, I'll take them.
So she I feel bad because she works hard. We
all we all work hard, you know. I if honestly,

(02:03:17):
I was tired, but I was excited to watch this
thing all day. That doesn't happen, you know. I'm I'm
I'm learning to take naps now because of anyone who
knows who's a dad who understands the importance of naps.
So yeah, he I'm like when So when he woke up, though,
I'm like, hey, look it's Metallica. Look at Ozzie, look
at blake'said. Obviously all of this baby shark, baby shark.

(02:03:38):
You know, so it's all of this is going over
his head. But I'm it's just I enjoy though that
in the future, and it's what we spoke about before
with Young Blood and just making sure that this music
lives on. Whether the band is the same or not.
The rock and roll will never die. People need to
understand that it's the next generation. The horse Rexes of

(02:04:00):
the world, the Baby Brownstones of the world are gonna
learn about this music. It sucks that most to probably
the most of the people that I like, are probably
gonna be dead by the time he's like ten or eleven.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
I don't want to be that grim. There might be
a lot of people gone. But whatever I need to
teach him. I need to slowly and ingrain that into
his brain subconsciously and less of the Baby Shark. So
although shut shout out to Rafael from Brazil who sent
me a metal version a Baby Shark and it's so funny.

(02:04:33):
He's Harrison's playing with toys or whatever, and I just
put it on YouTube. He turns around, He's like, what's that?
He was enjoying. He was so thank you, Raff. He
was enjoying the metal baby Shark. That helped me a
little bit too.

Speaker 1 (02:04:47):
So, I mean, but when when Sabbath kicks off, it
was a little bit of a video. Did you get
that before?

Speaker 2 (02:04:55):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
As well? Yeah, so that had that little video and
then everything went red. The sirens started. We all know
then it's war Pigs you know, there's red search lights
going around, and it just it was one of those
moments where I glanced up and everyone had their phone out,
and I was like, I don't want to be that dude.
I don't want to like, there's a live feed of this.
Their footage is going to be better than mine, and

(02:05:17):
I just wanted to take it all in of seeing
I think it's forty eight I think I've said before,
forty eight thousand people just staring at the stage and
just in awe of it, and it was you. I
was slightly on the side on a seat so I
could have a good view of it, a good view
of the crowd. Sorry, and it was just it's just

(02:05:38):
mind blowing. You know. It didn't matter how as he
sang it, how they played it, if it was slow,
if it was fast. It was the four guys that
started all of that blues band called Earth that changed
into being the heavy metal that we called it as
an insult heavy metal to Black Tabbath, so inspiring, every

(02:06:01):
single one of those man and every single one of
those persons, one of those people in that stadium with
a fist in the air. It was incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
Back to the beginning, man, just a sea of black
shirts and horns. Man, it was just what's what it was.
And you know, Alan Niven said it pretty well him.
He says every other of things. Whether you agree with
his opinion or not, he speaks very well. But I'm
going to paraphrase. He said like rock and roll was
for the disenfranchised, and you just felt like it was

(02:06:29):
just like everybody there, from the people performing who were
once disenfranchised and now are rock stars, to all of
us the fans were just like, this is us, this
is our day to just celebrate and just our music
that has just helped us in so many different phases
of our life. And we all have different we all
have our own story. We all have our own story,

(02:06:50):
which is just makes it so cool, and they all
kind of funnels through music, through Black Sabbath and obviously
here through through guns and roses. And it was just
a very awesome show with the fireworks at the end.
I mean, it was just a brilliant As a viewer
at home, it was the best thirty bucks I've spent
in a long ass time. And for you to go,

(02:07:11):
I'm so glad that you got to go. Many the
fact that you know, eleven of you trying, and it
took another friend just out of the kindness of his
heart to hey, Jason, let's go. And that's that's how
it happens. So fate, and I'm just grateful that you
You say you got home at like four am, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
So I've had like full hour sleep and a gig
today and a.

Speaker 2 (02:07:39):
Gig today, so and this and this review which silly me,
I knew it was going to be double in size
because sy no, don't be sorry. It's it's fun. This
is what a podcast is for.

Speaker 1 (02:07:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:53):
There are some episodes I keep short, some interviews I
keep short, someone keep longer. I guess it all depends. Uh,
you can stop and start however you want. I obviously
had to stop for my little pee break, so maybe
that's a good stop point for the rest of you.
But what I will tell you, since I got some
time before we wrap up, some interviews coming up, since

(02:08:15):
my wife and son are away and I actually have
time to do this. This is why I'm able to
do a two hour episode. So a couple of metal
speaking of being in the metal mood, I'm gonna have
a couple of metal bands out coming on The Nocturnal
Affair and Lord of the Lost. They have big followings,
they will be new to me, so I'm interested and

(02:08:37):
interested in learning about them. For Appetite with Discovery, Chips
Enough is returning to the podcast, of course, from Enough's Enough.
He's actually going out on tour with a friend of
the show, Brandon Fields, a guitarist who is in a
guns A Roses cover band, pretty tied up, and Chip's
going out on tour with them to play Appetite in

(02:08:57):
its entirety. So we're gonna talk about that and new
Enough's Enough album, Enough It's Enough album, and Steven Aldler
is actually gonna be on one of the tracks, so
that's pretty awesome as well. Carla Harvey and Charlie Bananti,
I believe I mentioned that as well. Is there anyone
I feel like, I'm there's so many balls in the air,

(02:09:19):
and I'm I'm glad that I'm getting all these done
this week because it's as you can tell you, it's
no but it's the people who watched the last episode
Angry Anderson, like you know, little Harrison just like shows
up here and starts asking for baby Shark in the
middle of the interview. I mean it's fun. I mean,
I know it's fun. But while I can, well, I

(02:09:40):
don't have to coordinate around a toddler and my wife's work.
Let me get all the interviews out. And because I
love doing this, man, I love talking to fans like
you that's offered.

Speaker 1 (02:09:51):
I just want to thank you for doing this. Yeah,
like as as people as we started this as a
listener and a watch for many years, way before you
use to do it on YouTube. Yeah, it's great man,
So thank you for doing it and keep you up.
I know sometimes you'll probably think screw this, but we're here,
we're listening, we're watching. It's great.

Speaker 2 (02:10:12):
Thank you because I do think that I do. It's
I admit it. They're like, why there's people care? And
then I get messages from people like you, and they
happen obviously enough for me to keep doing this for
as long as Axel and Slash I've been together. If
nobody was listening and if nobody cared, I wouldn't do
it even if I had these opportunities. I'm like, if
five people are going to listen to my angry andressen interview,

(02:10:34):
why would I do it? It'll be weird, but no,
I'm very grateful. I hit over ten thousand subscribers on YouTube,
which is I worked really hard on. Shout out to
my silent partner, Graham from Scotland, who does all my
graphics and a lot of my artwork and helps me.

(02:10:55):
Now he helps me edit the videos like the long form,
so if you notice the the graphics getting better, it's
because of him. He actually has programs that he pays
for I use, like the free software that came with
the laptop. So any of like the the YouTube shorts,
the short videos, those are by me. Now all the
long form episodes are edited by him. And speaking of which,

(02:11:18):
because I want they'll be credited in the in this
show summary. But I think, did you send me any
video as well for the show?

Speaker 1 (02:11:26):
Or no? I don't care to this one. No, I
didn't know. Okay, I probably will.

Speaker 2 (02:11:31):
But okay, so that's fine. So shout out though to
Ryan Brinkley and to Gavin from Guns to Roses.

Speaker 1 (02:11:39):
Gavin, Gavin's a great guy. Guns to Raises are amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:11:43):
I saw him. Oh my god, what did I say?
I said, I'm like, is that you? I was watching
this this stream and I was like where was he like,
I just texted him. I was like, during Suicide Solutions.
I was like, I think I just saw you. He's
like on the live stream. I was like yeah, looking
like yeah yeah. So yeah. He sent me his video

(02:12:06):
from the Golden Circle and out of the and asked
for it just out of the blue seat, out of
his kindness. And also Ryan Brinkley, a normal listener, sent
me his his view. So I'm going to put those
over us talking so people have some visuals of more
than just us to look at. So thanks, guys, I
appreciate it. So until next time, I mean, who knows, man,

(02:12:28):
I want to do more episodes again. Sorry, I've not
been able to do more fan reviews. I love talking
to you guys. I've gone over why my schedule is
crazy now, but the conversation continues in between the broadcast
on social media Facebook, Instagram, x, Twitter or whatever. And
you know how I before we recorded, I had to

(02:12:50):
post that picture of James Hetfield and an Axel. Now
that we're done recording the end of the episode, two
thousand likes.

Speaker 1 (02:12:59):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (02:13:00):
I don't get that. I don't get that often, so
it's wow. This needed to be an extra long episode
because this was a great day to talk about Black Sabbath, Guns,
God bless Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath, Axel Rose, Guns or
roses Man just keeps his tours coming. If I can't
do fan reviews, guys, just keep sending me your stuff

(02:13:21):
anyway I can share it on social media. You never know.
Here and there, maybe I can get a review in,
but otherwise to stay tuned for more interviews. And that
does it for this episode of Appetite for Disortion. Now
I'm getting choked up when we see the next one.
In the words of Axl Rose, concerning Chinese democracy, I
don't know as soon as a word, but you'll see it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:46):
Thanks to the lame ass security. I'm going home.

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