November 25, 2024 • 31 mins
To this very day, no one has claimed ownership of being that guy who famously jumped into the wedding cake in Guns N' Roses' November Rain music video. However, we now have a name. We welcome Bad Brad, RIAA Certified Gold/Platinum Guitarist and YouTuber, who knew "that guy" ...Steve Henderson.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Is Appetite for Distortion. Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion,
(00:34):
Episode number four hundred and eighty three. My name is Barando.
We are in November. We talk about this every year.
I can't believe I haven't done an episode about this
the November Rain, not just the video, but the cake.
We need to talk about the cake with somebody who
could possibly get us closer to the mystery. Or it's
(00:55):
not really a mystery, but I want to let's let's
I'm getting ahead of myself, bad Brad. I'm excited to
talk to you, so welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
How's it going, man, Man, it's going great. I'm just
elated to be here. And it's funny that you bring
up this topic because you know, I know, it's like
a mystery that people are trying to figure out, and
I'm gonna look right in the camera and tell you
I have the answer today. There's no no ifs ands
(01:24):
or butts about it. And I actually had potentially been
ready to go on a different podcast. There were a
couple young ladies that had a podcast that were, you know,
talking about this, and so I reached out to them
and said, hey, I know the guy that did it.
You know, there was people talking about who was it,
(01:45):
Ricky Rachman, you know, potentially being the guy, and it's
obviously not him if you just know his hair type
and his skin you know, color and all that kind
of stuff. But man, you know it's funny when I
started this YouTube channel and I found a lot of
people want to hear about the sunset strip, you know,
(02:07):
the guns n' roses thing. Man, it was just such
a huge part of that get I moved out there
in like nineteen eighty six, and you know, so I
was there right when that stuff was starting to break.
And I'll let you you take over and steer it
where you want to go.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You're I love it. I I'm almost like in awe
of your radio skills, to be honest with you, as
a radio guy, I think you would handle yourself very well.
And watching your videos and just before I lose it,
well I'm gonna lose it regardless, but before I lose
the thought I believe you're talking about. I don't know
if they still do. The podcast November rain Or is
(02:51):
the nineteen ninety two VMA's podcast Tara and forgive Me
I forgetting their names. It was T and R. I
remember I think they had been on the podcast, like
a long time ago, but yes, they had looked into
it because at the time, which is just it shows
you that this is everything happens for a reason. So
(03:13):
I had an old I'm still gonna call it Twitter whatever,
Twitter account, it's x Oh. By the way, I just
did it just because you never know. I did sign
up for Blue Sky or Blue Ski or whatever it is.
It's more of just a backup. I'm just that's neither
here nor there. So obviously, being a Guns of Roses
(03:33):
themed podcast, these things come up. I haven't been lucky
enough to interview Andy Morahan, the director of November Rain.
I talked to him about it. I talked to beat
Alberta Freeman. Of course it's from Cracy and Roberta here
to help you, the backup vocalist from Use Your Illusion
to talk about the video. So it's it's come up
and you're you're right.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Every year.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's just funny how why people ever thought it was
Ricky Rackman. Look, just because they're both white dudes, long hair,
doesn't mean they look alike. Yeah, they all don't. Not
all metal heads look alike. So I never thought it
was him growing up. And for those who know the
podcast and myself November Rane and especially the video, because
(04:16):
I'm a little younger than you, I'm forty one, so
I came in. I wasn't. I'm a New Yorker. I
wasn't in the sunset strip. I wasn't. I knew Guns
n' Roses from MTV from that video. Really, that was
probably my first introduction to them. And the cake thing
is so memorable to talk about. So it comes up
in the beauty part of social media and Twitter X
(04:39):
is that anybody can find you. Sometimes it's bad, sometimes
it's good.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So then I get a which I still remember to
this day. So this has been an interview, a conversation
long time coming from a bad Brad Jams and saying
I know who that guy is. He was a friend
of mine, Steve, and you give me a story. And
I had that Twitter account suspended, but thankfully, which is
(05:06):
silly because Twitter is now at free for all you
can whatever you want. I had screencapped your post because
I had shared it on Facebook and Instagram. I'm like,
look look at this. There's no reason why this sounds
like a legit story. Obviously, just because it's on the
Internet doesn't mean it's not true. So I want to
encourage people. But if you want to press pause at
(05:28):
this moment, to go to your page, because I want
them to hear it from your your voice first, for
you to tell the story, to go to bad Brad
on YouTube. And it's a great story about the Sunset
Strip and just a wild night there.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And Wild Hollywood. Yeah, it was the title of that.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Wild Hollywood is the official title of that. Listen to it.
I think it's It's less than twenty minutes. And at
the end, that's the way we find out that this
guy named Steve is the cake jumper.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, So I want to give a little teaser here.
I want to find out. I'm gonna I'm gonna show
you a pivot because you said you were eighty six
and some people are like, uh, you were in the scenes.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's when I got that. That's when I got to la.
So I'm gonna where are you from?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Originally? Sorry, that says something I wanted to remember. I
almost forgot to ask where are you from? Originally?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I'm originally from a small town called Williamsburg. Virginia, and
uh it is it's colonial Williamsburg. It's the tricorn hats
and the muskets and and and all that old, old school,
you know type place. And so I had a similar
experience as you would think say Axel Rose had being
(06:42):
a kid from a small town and then and wanting
to be this rock star dream or whatever, and going
out to LA and opening up those magazines and then
going holy, you know Axel when he looks at that
TV and uh, welcome to the jungle, and he gets
off the bus and he's got the straw in his mouth,
(07:02):
and he sees what he's going to become, and he
kind of looks away. You know. It's almost like a
moment where he looks away in disgust. And it was
the same thing for us guys from a small town
opening up the rock magazines and going holy, how every
band is like these yeah, just styled and styled and
(07:25):
all of that whole scene. And there was different variations
of it, you know. And this was around eighty six
when I got there. But I went out there to
study guitar. You know. It was like I went to git.
I did that whole thing for a year and so
I started hearing about guns n' Roses. I started hearing
(07:46):
like my buddy who had to work at day gig,
He's telling me all this guy Rex at the photo lab.
He's listening to this band, this club band called guns
n' Roses. I'm starting to hear about this thing, you know,
but it really wasn't on my radar till maybe eighty seven.
And at that time I had two roommates, both musicians.
(08:08):
One of them is a guy named Keith Holland. He
ended up being the guitar player for the band Chicago
for twenty eight years.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Ohow.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
The other guy is Lance Morrison. Lance Morrison went on
to play bass for Don Henley. He went on to
play bass for Rod Stewart. He's playing in the Dirty
Knobs right now with Mike Campbell. So I mean, we
were musicians. We weren't necessarily like guys that wanted to
tease our hair out and playing bands. But they chose
(08:39):
that path, and I chose the party path of joining
a sunset strip band. So that kind of gets us
pivoted to where we can get into the story.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Right, because we have to backtrack because of how you
saw your friend in those bands that you had heard
about for a while. This is so interesting. So I
do want to say, because in the video that you
have on your page where you tell the whole story
about that crazy night in Hollywood, I liked your band name,
boy Eloy.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I know you're saying, you tell the flyer right there,
I'll show you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And while you're grabbing it, he says, like off the walls.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Headlining shot from the whiskey, that's actually me right there.
I had the long you know hair. This is probably
before the time when I met the subject that we're
going to be talking of. This is actually no, this
is actually probably after because this was like the last
singer we had, which we had this young kid, he
(09:44):
was like eighteen or nineteen years old, and this is
when grunge is starting to take over, so we were
still mining the sunset strip into ninety three, ninety two
around that period, which puts me in the area of
the November rain and all that kind of stuff right on.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So it puts us in a great scene and sets
kind of with the atmosphere and the environment of when
you meet this guy Steve, you're in this boy band
boy Elroy, of course a great Jetson's reference. I know,
you tell the story about it. You didn't pick that name,
And I was like, and I was saying that I
said it out loud while watching the video of its
Oh I kind of.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I think it's cool, but I mean, it's your band, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We made it work. But it wasn't my first choice.
You know, you want something that's kind of tough sounding
because it's la and you you know, but in all
reality it fit us because we were kind of like
a funky, hard rock, hip hoppy kind of trying to
find something different because everybody else was doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Kind of Okay, so how did you meet this guy? Steve? Okay,
so tell me that story please.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, So this is all kind of in these times.
It all kind of.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Starts with a girl, right of course.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And I ended up one day one of our one
of our older drummers that had been in the band,
he comes by the band house and he says, hey, man,
I gotta go downtown, you know, near downtown, the financial
district or somethingy as parents. He ran some kind of
you know thing, mortgage thing or something. I gotta go
down there. You know, you want to ride with me,
(11:26):
and I'm like, yeah, I'm not doing anything. You know,
I had a stack of flyers. He said, yeah, you
can hand out flyers. So I I hop in his truck.
We go down there. It's this you know, hoiity toity
like office, you know type area. And I'm there in
my long hair and you know, ragged clothes and whatever.
And I look across the street and I see these
(11:48):
two girls and I just you know, my At that
point in time, it was all about sales, and so
anytime you saw a female, it was an opportunity to
get people to your show. And if your shows were
packed with tons of girls, you would get interest. So
we were literally like trained that whenever we saw a girl,
(12:11):
magically the flyer would come out. So I go running
across the street and I meet these two girls. Well,
one of them was an actress and her name was
Donya Madariaga. I have not been able to locate. I
don't know what happened to her. I know of some
some stuff that she did acting wise, but it's like
(12:34):
it's so long ago and who knows, you know, what happens.
But so I meet this girl. She has a friend,
her friend is recording with Rick James, you know, which
is another weird, you know thing. But they end up
coming to see my band rehearse, and we were having
(12:55):
trouble with our singer. Singer was kind of you know,
it's like we're on the face if he was the guy.
So she says, I got this guy and he's got
the same last name as you, and and he's really
cute and he's an actor and he's got long hair,
(13:15):
and I think he'd be a good singer for your band.
And I'm like, I'm all ears because I'm like, I'm
not sure this guy we have is working. The whole
business is focused on the singer. Ultimately, if you don't
have the right front man, you're not going to get
a deal. So so I'm like, okay, So I start
(13:38):
kind of dating this girl, this Donya Madariaga, but she's
she's pretty loco. I mean being nice. I'm being nice here,
but we were all kind of crazy at the time. Sure,
and you know, she gives me this guy, Steve's number.
So in the meanwhile, I call him up and I start,
(14:00):
you know, meeting with him, bring over some songs. We
sit in a room and kind of see if he can,
you know, see if he can carry a tune all
that stuff. And we're kind of like, you know, maybe
with some work, you know, you just you just don't
know until you, you know, really, you know, work with somebody.
And we needed somebody, right, So I'm thinking, okay, well,
(14:22):
let's take this guy out to the Rainbow one night,
and let's see how he does with the girls. Right, Like,
you know, if you take a guy out and girls
are swarming all over him, you might have something here.
Even if you can't sing a note. You know, it's like,
wait a minute, he's terrible, but when you walk, you know.
(14:46):
So it was kind of like a test, right, So
we we take him. We go to the Rainbow and
we're sitting at one of those booths. It was a
half booth, and we sit down and then the other
across from us is Slash and he's sitting in the
center of the booth and he's surrounded by girls on
(15:07):
both sides, very attractive girls. I might add, like okay, yeah,
like good good work, Slash. Right, So we ended up
we're sitting here, it's me and Steve and I think
it was Greg, our bass player, and we're sitting there
(15:29):
and we're kind of taking this guy out on the
town and see what's gonna happen. So these other two
girls come up. They end up joining us. You know,
we weren't really interested in them. They didn't compare to
Slash's girls. But we're like, okay, well you're kind of
a good accessory for us right now because he's got
all the girls and at least we'll have a couple,
(15:50):
right right. So, so we're sitting there and then all
of a sudden, one of the girls that's sitting over
with Slash comes over and goes, you guys look like
nice guys. And we're like, oh, yeah, we're I mean,
we're in a frigging band. We don't have probably twenty
(16:11):
dollars between the three of us, but you're, you know,
and we're you know, we're you're on that street level
when you're you're you're playing in a band, and we're
not getting paid playing these places, you know. So but
she goes, oh, you look like nice guys. If I
give you twenty dollars, will you take care of our friend?
(16:32):
And there's this girl is a girl in the booth
with them, and she is she's like nodding out she's out,
and I'm like, well, hell, twenty bucks we can go
get back then five ninety nine a twelve pack of
course light. We could get like two of those and
still have a couple extra bucks, get some shots or
(16:53):
you know whatever. We're thinking that, hey, sort, yeah, we're rich,
and I yes, we just carry this girl with us.
I mean, what what do you do at that point?
And they're like, we want to party with slash and
I can't blame them, you know, And so they hand
us this girl. We've got this guy, Steve, Steve Henderson
(17:15):
was his name. This is a guy that we were
kind of looking at to be a singer, and he
had he had like it's like I call it blonde,
but it's really like a dirty blonde kind of with
a little bit of a blonde street kind of you
see on the sides. But I guess it would you
would say it was brown. But I'm looking at him thinking,
one trip to the salon, bro, and you're gonna be
(17:37):
You're gonna be the blonde front man, you know. Yeah,
So so you know we'll we'll continue from there. So
we got Steve, we go we take these girls back
to his place. We the whole time, the girls are saying, oh,
we live with Ron, and I'm like, it's just not
even registering one because I'm not interested in them. But
(17:59):
you know, it's turns out the girls all live with
Ron Jeremy, okay, and thankfully he didn't have anything to
do with them. You know, it was kind of like
just they crashed at our place and then said if
you give us a ride home, we'll buy you breakfast,
and like, okay, well yeah we'll take breakfast because yeah,
(18:19):
we're penniless, you know, right, And so we drive them
back to Ron Jeremy's place. Steve had stayed in his apartment.
We lived out in the valley. So Steve is back
at his place and we left the pasted out girl
with him. So, you know, long story short, you know,
we go about a week or two weeks later, a
(18:43):
friend of mine says, hey, let's go to this little
dive go go bar in the valley. It's got like
five dollars pitches or something like that, and I'm thinking, well,
we got ten bucks, we can you know, we can
have a couple of beers. So we go into this,
you know, established to put it to put it lightly
and I see a girl on stage and she's dancing
(19:08):
and I know, and she goes hi, Brad, and like
lights up. It was the passed out girl that apparently
maybe wasn't passed out or what, or she was semi
conscious while we were you know, partying or whatever. But
it was just the weirdest thing because.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
She was alive.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He was alive, and I knew to be alive because
we left her with Steve. Steve was, you know, he
wasn't really a rock and roller. We were just trying
to potentially recruit him into the rock and roll. He
was an extra in films, and the girl that had
hooked me up with him was an extra. I actually
(19:50):
one night had family in town and we got some
of those free tickets to go see a sitcom or whatever,
and we go and it was night court and they
had a they had a court scene with these prostitutes
coming and this one prostitute with gigantic bazooms at the
(20:12):
feather feather like a brazier on and I look and go,
that's done you and she's like, Brad, So you know,
it's like we had just gone to do a tourist
thing and there she was doing what she does, so
I knew, you know, I knew from that, and I've
looked to try to find that episode and all that,
(20:34):
but I still I cannot find any reference. And then
shortly after that, she got angry with me and tiptoed
off into the sunset and I ran into her at
a guitar center and she goes, Hi, meet my husband.
So she had literally met some guy in like two
(20:56):
or three weeks and married some guy. So it's just,
you know, that's might be why she's disappeared off the
face of the earth, but different name. But you know,
I and I guess, you know, it's hard to know
exact times, but it was shortly after that, maybe it
(21:16):
was six months, maybe it was a year. And I
turn on a had cable TV. I turn it on.
I'm working a job, you know, but I'm still playing
in a band, and I see the November rain video
come on. And then I'm watching and I see the
guy jumping through the cake is Steve Henderson, the guy
(21:37):
that we were trying to maybe get in the band.
And and I literally was like picked up the phone
and immediately go, dude, dude, I saw you on TV.
I mean that's everything back then.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Was dude, dude, you know, and and he's like yeah, man,
And I was like, dude, I just saw you jumping
through the cake. And he tells me that he had
basically saw the camera was on and the cake was there,
and he just decided he was going to plow through
(22:13):
it and just just to maybe get his you know,
infamy or moment of fame, you know, kind of like
just a reckless, crazy thing that probably nobody today would
do something like that on a set, but it was
a rock and roll set.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You had axl, you had supermodels, you had the guns
and roses, and he just probably saw a moment and
just said, man, I'm just gonna take that cake out.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I gotta be more than an extra. I gotta be noticed.
And he's being noticed decades later. Yeah, billions of views later.
I mean that that's that's really crazy. So, yeah, you
were You had surmised that story in a series of tweets,
and I needed to have a conversation to kind of
(23:01):
to flesh it out, because that is that's brilliant. Did
he was there any I mean, obviously this is so
long ago. Did he recall any sort of reaction from
the crew from the band. Did he just get up
and like run away? Did he just because think about it?
He just stands up and he his cake all over him?
Does he go back to craft services with like with
(23:22):
cake on his face? Like? Was there any other information
that he he gave you? And have you spoken to him?
Not saying recently, but since that phone call.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I have not, And I can't find the guy. The
same with the Donya. I've looked. I've looked for him.
I even found some guy because look, man, it's been
a lot of years. I don't look the same people,
you know. I'm I'm shocked at somehow of us old
guys are looking these days. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
But let's let's just say with that your hair is real,
by the way, if anyone questions.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Rolls, it just is what it is. It's well, there
is a box of color in it. Let's I'll be
honest about that.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, but he still got the hair. Bro good for you,
And I'm.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Gonna grow it out. I'm gonna grow it out and
start rocking again. I think that's I think that's the
next step.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I encourage that. Uh So, yeah, I mean it's been
so many years and I left off the kind of
a teaser the last episode I did. I mean, you
hope the guy is still alive. I don't want to
be that morbid. But that's just Steve Henderson, you know.
And now I think if you when you google who
jumped into November rain Cake, it's like some fans speculated
(24:38):
it's a musician named Steve, and others still think it's
Ricky Rackman. It's the Ricky Rackman thing should never have
become No, I mean, it's that's just like whatever. That's
that's just it. And it's funny how Ricky has said
that he gets asked that still all the time. That's
just lazy work.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Come on, it doesn't even look like him, No, no,
it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
He had that thick you talk about your hairy his.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Hair is long. Yeah, it was really thick. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, this guy, Steve.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Had really straight hair, and like I said, I called
it blonde, but it's really just like a blonde light
light and lightened streak that kind of went down both
sides and then what you would call sandy or dirty blonde,
straight just and he really kind of had sort of
a higher forehead, a longer face, and he was a tall,
(25:28):
thin guy. You know, he had he had all the
things for me. Just I go. This guy's got a
good look, he's got good hair. If I could, if
he could just sing, uh, you know, it would have
literally been he would have just been in my band.
And maybe he wouldn't have been in the Guns N'
Roses video.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So he couldn't sing, obviously, is why it didn't work.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
He could sing, but we were looking for somebody, would
you know I wanted David Lee Roth meets James Brown.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh okay, I wanted.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Somebody soulful that had some you know to it and
could sing some runs and some stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, there's gotta because there. I'm lucky enough to have
done this podcast for a while. I know you've been
you on your page for a while either, and it's
it's very cool, especially when we talk we talk about
the Sunset Script and eighties and how you're passing out flyers.
Now we get fans very differently, you know, online we
have our bases and I wouldn't know specifically anybody anyone
(26:35):
more than you who was there during that time, but
you would hope we keep getting that name out there.
Steve Henderson, you know, to give him, to give him
his They say give him his flowers, that's the phrase.
But give him his cake, give him his cake, you know,
it's that's it should be the household name. We should
be celebrating Steve Henderson Day or something every November, funny
(26:56):
it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Maybe maybe by doing this he will will find him,
and that's kind of my hopes. Or maybe we'll maybe
uh donia will will raise their heads. But here's the thing, man,
I've got a lot of you know, there's Facebook kind
of was the thing that the older generation kind of does,
(27:18):
and there's Instagram, and there's different different platforms. And I've
got a lot of people, you know on Facebook that
are people I knew back in the day. I'm in touch,
you know, with a fair amount of them, but there's
a lot of them that just disappeared, and I have
to wonder, you know, dude, there was a lot of
(27:41):
crazy stuff going on. Some people. Some people want to
not be remembered for anything that they did during that time.
Some people run away. You know, I left. I left
LA in ninety four. I realized nothing's gonna happen different
if I stay here. And I went to Nashville, and
(28:02):
I did Nashville for thirty years. I played every kind
of gig you can imagine playing guitar, so you know,
for me, but I still kept my feet, you know,
I still have a core group of people, musicians and
friends that are out there, or some of them moved away,
but there are and I call it the ghosts, the
(28:24):
ghosts of the Sunset Strip, because there's some dude and
there's some sordid kind of stories, and there's some nice stories,
but there's you wonder like, are they alive? Are they dead? Right?
What happened? You know? All of that.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Oh man, if you haven't done an audio book yet,
you need to do. Oh wait, that's called the podcast now.
I mean, I really do enjoy. When I started watching
your videos, it wasn't just some I don't you look
at it now. We talk about how the new media
people can just turn on the camera and say off
and speak fast and not speak well. You know, obviously
(29:03):
you've been in front of a crowd for a while,
so you're very comfortable. But I really do enjoy you know,
the way you speak, the way you tell videos, tell
stories through your videos. So I encourage people to follow
bad Brad on YouTube, and I really appreciate this story
and sharing it and hope hopefully one day if we
find Steve Henderson, you have to be my co host
(29:25):
or whatever you deserve the uh, the interview or however
we had. We had to do it as a we'll
do it together.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Because you know, it was you guys kind of talking
about this on Twitter that kind of got me fired up.
I don't talk on Twitter much, I don't, you know.
I kind of just kind of post my clips or
or whatever. But I'm not like a guy that sits there.
But when I saw people throwing Ricky Rockman's name in there,
it just no. I was there. I know who it was.
(29:55):
I talked to him after he did it, you know,
and and and then and you've got people, I mean, look,
it's like there's people that don't believe I could tell
them I'm not wearing a wig now, and there's still
some guy out there that he's wearing a wig. It's
just it's glued on or it's you know, and so
it to some people, it's not gonna matter that I'm
(30:18):
telling them. But I'm gonna look you in the eye
right now and tell you the cake Jumper is Steve
Henderson and that's all there is to it.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I believe you for what what that means you. And yeah,
that's why I share these stories on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
I can't quite get the handle of, but I mean
sharing these stories, making clips of you know, bite sized
clips of my longer interviews on YouTube, so these stories
live on There's there's a lot of people like yourself
(30:50):
who may not have been you know, the headliners of
like the Gun who is guns and Roses, But I
mean they have a story to tell. And I'm glad
you're using YouTube and you're getting to share your story.
And thanks for sharing your story with me today, Brad,
and I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Thank you so much. Brandon, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You got it. So that does it for this episode
of Appetite for this stortion. When we see the next one,
in the words of Axl Rose concerning Chinese democracy, I
don't know as soon as the word, but you'll see it.
Thanks to the lame ass security, I'm going home
You know what.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Is Appetite for Distortion. Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion,
(00:34):
Episode number four hundred and eighty three. My name is Barando.
We are in November. We talk about this every year.
I can't believe I haven't done an episode about this
the November Rain, not just the video, but the cake.
We need to talk about the cake with somebody who
could possibly get us closer to the mystery. Or it's
(00:55):
not really a mystery, but I want to let's let's
I'm getting ahead of myself, bad Brad. I'm excited to
talk to you, so welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
How's it going, man, Man, it's going great. I'm just
elated to be here. And it's funny that you bring
up this topic because you know, I know, it's like
a mystery that people are trying to figure out, and
I'm gonna look right in the camera and tell you
I have the answer today. There's no no ifs ands
(01:24):
or butts about it. And I actually had potentially been
ready to go on a different podcast. There were a
couple young ladies that had a podcast that were, you know,
talking about this, and so I reached out to them
and said, hey, I know the guy that did it.
You know, there was people talking about who was it,
(01:45):
Ricky Rachman, you know, potentially being the guy, and it's
obviously not him if you just know his hair type
and his skin you know, color and all that kind
of stuff. But man, you know it's funny when I
started this YouTube channel and I found a lot of
people want to hear about the sunset strip, you know,
(02:07):
the guns n' roses thing. Man, it was just such
a huge part of that get I moved out there
in like nineteen eighty six, and you know, so I
was there right when that stuff was starting to break.
And I'll let you you take over and steer it
where you want to go.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You're I love it. I I'm almost like in awe
of your radio skills, to be honest with you, as
a radio guy, I think you would handle yourself very well.
And watching your videos and just before I lose it,
well I'm gonna lose it regardless, but before I lose
the thought I believe you're talking about. I don't know
if they still do. The podcast November rain Or is
(02:51):
the nineteen ninety two VMA's podcast Tara and forgive Me
I forgetting their names. It was T and R. I
remember I think they had been on the podcast, like
a long time ago, but yes, they had looked into
it because at the time, which is just it shows
you that this is everything happens for a reason. So
(03:13):
I had an old I'm still gonna call it Twitter whatever,
Twitter account, it's x Oh. By the way, I just
did it just because you never know. I did sign
up for Blue Sky or Blue Ski or whatever it is.
It's more of just a backup. I'm just that's neither
here nor there. So obviously, being a Guns of Roses
(03:33):
themed podcast, these things come up. I haven't been lucky
enough to interview Andy Morahan, the director of November Rain.
I talked to him about it. I talked to beat
Alberta Freeman. Of course it's from Cracy and Roberta here
to help you, the backup vocalist from Use Your Illusion
to talk about the video. So it's it's come up
and you're you're right.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Every year.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's just funny how why people ever thought it was
Ricky Rackman. Look, just because they're both white dudes, long hair,
doesn't mean they look alike. Yeah, they all don't. Not
all metal heads look alike. So I never thought it
was him growing up. And for those who know the
podcast and myself November Rane and especially the video, because
(04:16):
I'm a little younger than you, I'm forty one, so
I came in. I wasn't. I'm a New Yorker. I
wasn't in the sunset strip. I wasn't. I knew Guns
n' Roses from MTV from that video. Really, that was
probably my first introduction to them. And the cake thing
is so memorable to talk about. So it comes up
in the beauty part of social media and Twitter X
(04:39):
is that anybody can find you. Sometimes it's bad, sometimes
it's good.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So then I get a which I still remember to
this day. So this has been an interview, a conversation
long time coming from a bad Brad Jams and saying
I know who that guy is. He was a friend
of mine, Steve, and you give me a story. And
I had that Twitter account suspended, but thankfully, which is
(05:06):
silly because Twitter is now at free for all you
can whatever you want. I had screencapped your post because
I had shared it on Facebook and Instagram. I'm like,
look look at this. There's no reason why this sounds
like a legit story. Obviously, just because it's on the
Internet doesn't mean it's not true. So I want to
encourage people. But if you want to press pause at
(05:28):
this moment, to go to your page, because I want
them to hear it from your your voice first, for
you to tell the story, to go to bad Brad
on YouTube. And it's a great story about the Sunset
Strip and just a wild night there.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And Wild Hollywood. Yeah, it was the title of that.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Wild Hollywood is the official title of that. Listen to it.
I think it's It's less than twenty minutes. And at
the end, that's the way we find out that this
guy named Steve is the cake jumper.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, So I want to give a little teaser here.
I want to find out. I'm gonna I'm gonna show
you a pivot because you said you were eighty six
and some people are like, uh, you were in the scenes.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's when I got that. That's when I got to la.
So I'm gonna where are you from?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Originally? Sorry, that says something I wanted to remember. I
almost forgot to ask where are you from? Originally?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I'm originally from a small town called Williamsburg. Virginia, and
uh it is it's colonial Williamsburg. It's the tricorn hats
and the muskets and and and all that old, old school,
you know type place. And so I had a similar
experience as you would think say Axel Rose had being
(06:42):
a kid from a small town and then and wanting
to be this rock star dream or whatever, and going
out to LA and opening up those magazines and then
going holy, you know Axel when he looks at that
TV and uh, welcome to the jungle, and he gets
off the bus and he's got the straw in his mouth,
(07:02):
and he sees what he's going to become, and he
kind of looks away. You know. It's almost like a
moment where he looks away in disgust. And it was
the same thing for us guys from a small town
opening up the rock magazines and going holy, how every
band is like these yeah, just styled and styled and
(07:25):
all of that whole scene. And there was different variations
of it, you know. And this was around eighty six
when I got there. But I went out there to
study guitar. You know. It was like I went to git.
I did that whole thing for a year and so
I started hearing about guns n' Roses. I started hearing
(07:46):
like my buddy who had to work at day gig,
He's telling me all this guy Rex at the photo lab.
He's listening to this band, this club band called guns
n' Roses. I'm starting to hear about this thing, you know,
but it really wasn't on my radar till maybe eighty seven.
And at that time I had two roommates, both musicians.
(08:08):
One of them is a guy named Keith Holland. He
ended up being the guitar player for the band Chicago
for twenty eight years.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Ohow.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
The other guy is Lance Morrison. Lance Morrison went on
to play bass for Don Henley. He went on to
play bass for Rod Stewart. He's playing in the Dirty
Knobs right now with Mike Campbell. So I mean, we
were musicians. We weren't necessarily like guys that wanted to
tease our hair out and playing bands. But they chose
(08:39):
that path, and I chose the party path of joining
a sunset strip band. So that kind of gets us
pivoted to where we can get into the story.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Right, because we have to backtrack because of how you
saw your friend in those bands that you had heard
about for a while. This is so interesting. So I
do want to say, because in the video that you
have on your page where you tell the whole story
about that crazy night in Hollywood, I liked your band name,
boy Eloy.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I know you're saying, you tell the flyer right there,
I'll show you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And while you're grabbing it, he says, like off the walls.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Headlining shot from the whiskey, that's actually me right there.
I had the long you know hair. This is probably
before the time when I met the subject that we're
going to be talking of. This is actually no, this
is actually probably after because this was like the last
singer we had, which we had this young kid, he
(09:44):
was like eighteen or nineteen years old, and this is
when grunge is starting to take over, so we were
still mining the sunset strip into ninety three, ninety two
around that period, which puts me in the area of
the November rain and all that kind of stuff right on.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So it puts us in a great scene and sets
kind of with the atmosphere and the environment of when
you meet this guy Steve, you're in this boy band
boy Elroy, of course a great Jetson's reference. I know,
you tell the story about it. You didn't pick that name,
And I was like, and I was saying that I
said it out loud while watching the video of its
Oh I kind of.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I think it's cool, but I mean, it's your band, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We made it work. But it wasn't my first choice.
You know, you want something that's kind of tough sounding
because it's la and you you know, but in all
reality it fit us because we were kind of like
a funky, hard rock, hip hoppy kind of trying to
find something different because everybody else was doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Kind of Okay, so how did you meet this guy? Steve? Okay,
so tell me that story please.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, So this is all kind of in these times.
It all kind of.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Starts with a girl, right of course.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And I ended up one day one of our one
of our older drummers that had been in the band,
he comes by the band house and he says, hey, man,
I gotta go downtown, you know, near downtown, the financial
district or somethingy as parents. He ran some kind of
you know thing, mortgage thing or something. I gotta go
down there. You know, you want to ride with me,
(11:26):
and I'm like, yeah, I'm not doing anything. You know,
I had a stack of flyers. He said, yeah, you
can hand out flyers. So I I hop in his truck.
We go down there. It's this you know, hoiity toity
like office, you know type area. And I'm there in
my long hair and you know, ragged clothes and whatever.
And I look across the street and I see these
(11:48):
two girls and I just you know, my At that
point in time, it was all about sales, and so
anytime you saw a female, it was an opportunity to
get people to your show. And if your shows were
packed with tons of girls, you would get interest. So
we were literally like trained that whenever we saw a girl,
(12:11):
magically the flyer would come out. So I go running
across the street and I meet these two girls. Well,
one of them was an actress and her name was
Donya Madariaga. I have not been able to locate. I
don't know what happened to her. I know of some
some stuff that she did acting wise, but it's like
(12:34):
it's so long ago and who knows, you know, what happens.
But so I meet this girl. She has a friend,
her friend is recording with Rick James, you know, which
is another weird, you know thing. But they end up
coming to see my band rehearse, and we were having
(12:55):
trouble with our singer. Singer was kind of you know,
it's like we're on the face if he was the guy.
So she says, I got this guy and he's got
the same last name as you, and and he's really
cute and he's an actor and he's got long hair,
(13:15):
and I think he'd be a good singer for your band.
And I'm like, I'm all ears because I'm like, I'm
not sure this guy we have is working. The whole
business is focused on the singer. Ultimately, if you don't
have the right front man, you're not going to get
a deal. So so I'm like, okay, So I start
(13:38):
kind of dating this girl, this Donya Madariaga, but she's
she's pretty loco. I mean being nice. I'm being nice here,
but we were all kind of crazy at the time. Sure,
and you know, she gives me this guy, Steve's number.
So in the meanwhile, I call him up and I start,
(14:00):
you know, meeting with him, bring over some songs. We
sit in a room and kind of see if he can,
you know, see if he can carry a tune all
that stuff. And we're kind of like, you know, maybe
with some work, you know, you just you just don't
know until you, you know, really, you know, work with somebody.
And we needed somebody, right, So I'm thinking, okay, well,
(14:22):
let's take this guy out to the Rainbow one night,
and let's see how he does with the girls. Right, Like,
you know, if you take a guy out and girls
are swarming all over him, you might have something here.
Even if you can't sing a note. You know, it's like,
wait a minute, he's terrible, but when you walk, you know.
(14:46):
So it was kind of like a test, right, So
we we take him. We go to the Rainbow and
we're sitting at one of those booths. It was a
half booth, and we sit down and then the other
across from us is Slash and he's sitting in the
center of the booth and he's surrounded by girls on
(15:07):
both sides, very attractive girls. I might add, like okay, yeah,
like good good work, Slash. Right, So we ended up
we're sitting here, it's me and Steve and I think
it was Greg, our bass player, and we're sitting there
(15:29):
and we're kind of taking this guy out on the
town and see what's gonna happen. So these other two
girls come up. They end up joining us. You know,
we weren't really interested in them. They didn't compare to
Slash's girls. But we're like, okay, well you're kind of
a good accessory for us right now because he's got
all the girls and at least we'll have a couple,
(15:50):
right right. So, so we're sitting there and then all
of a sudden, one of the girls that's sitting over
with Slash comes over and goes, you guys look like
nice guys. And we're like, oh, yeah, we're I mean,
we're in a frigging band. We don't have probably twenty
(16:11):
dollars between the three of us, but you're, you know,
and we're you know, we're you're on that street level
when you're you're you're playing in a band, and we're
not getting paid playing these places, you know. So but
she goes, oh, you look like nice guys. If I
give you twenty dollars, will you take care of our friend?
(16:32):
And there's this girl is a girl in the booth
with them, and she is she's like nodding out she's out,
and I'm like, well, hell, twenty bucks we can go
get back then five ninety nine a twelve pack of
course light. We could get like two of those and
still have a couple extra bucks, get some shots or
(16:53):
you know whatever. We're thinking that, hey, sort, yeah, we're rich,
and I yes, we just carry this girl with us.
I mean, what what do you do at that point?
And they're like, we want to party with slash and
I can't blame them, you know, And so they hand
us this girl. We've got this guy, Steve, Steve Henderson
(17:15):
was his name. This is a guy that we were
kind of looking at to be a singer, and he
had he had like it's like I call it blonde,
but it's really like a dirty blonde kind of with
a little bit of a blonde street kind of you
see on the sides. But I guess it would you
would say it was brown. But I'm looking at him thinking,
one trip to the salon, bro, and you're gonna be
(17:37):
You're gonna be the blonde front man, you know. Yeah,
So so you know we'll we'll continue from there. So
we got Steve, we go we take these girls back
to his place. We the whole time, the girls are saying, oh,
we live with Ron, and I'm like, it's just not
even registering one because I'm not interested in them. But
(17:59):
you know, it's turns out the girls all live with
Ron Jeremy, okay, and thankfully he didn't have anything to
do with them. You know, it was kind of like
just they crashed at our place and then said if
you give us a ride home, we'll buy you breakfast,
and like, okay, well yeah we'll take breakfast because yeah,
(18:19):
we're penniless, you know, right, And so we drive them
back to Ron Jeremy's place. Steve had stayed in his apartment.
We lived out in the valley. So Steve is back
at his place and we left the pasted out girl
with him. So, you know, long story short, you know,
we go about a week or two weeks later, a
(18:43):
friend of mine says, hey, let's go to this little
dive go go bar in the valley. It's got like
five dollars pitches or something like that, and I'm thinking, well,
we got ten bucks, we can you know, we can
have a couple of beers. So we go into this,
you know, established to put it to put it lightly
and I see a girl on stage and she's dancing
(19:08):
and I know, and she goes hi, Brad, and like
lights up. It was the passed out girl that apparently
maybe wasn't passed out or what, or she was semi
conscious while we were you know, partying or whatever. But
it was just the weirdest thing because.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
She was alive.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He was alive, and I knew to be alive because
we left her with Steve. Steve was, you know, he
wasn't really a rock and roller. We were just trying
to potentially recruit him into the rock and roll. He
was an extra in films, and the girl that had
hooked me up with him was an extra. I actually
(19:50):
one night had family in town and we got some
of those free tickets to go see a sitcom or whatever,
and we go and it was night court and they
had a they had a court scene with these prostitutes
coming and this one prostitute with gigantic bazooms at the
(20:12):
feather feather like a brazier on and I look and go,
that's done you and she's like, Brad, So you know,
it's like we had just gone to do a tourist
thing and there she was doing what she does, so
I knew, you know, I knew from that, and I've
looked to try to find that episode and all that,
(20:34):
but I still I cannot find any reference. And then
shortly after that, she got angry with me and tiptoed
off into the sunset and I ran into her at
a guitar center and she goes, Hi, meet my husband.
So she had literally met some guy in like two
(20:56):
or three weeks and married some guy. So it's just,
you know, that's might be why she's disappeared off the
face of the earth, but different name. But you know,
I and I guess, you know, it's hard to know
exact times, but it was shortly after that, maybe it
(21:16):
was six months, maybe it was a year. And I
turn on a had cable TV. I turn it on.
I'm working a job, you know, but I'm still playing
in a band, and I see the November rain video
come on. And then I'm watching and I see the
guy jumping through the cake is Steve Henderson, the guy
(21:37):
that we were trying to maybe get in the band.
And and I literally was like picked up the phone
and immediately go, dude, dude, I saw you on TV.
I mean that's everything back then.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Was dude, dude, you know, and and he's like yeah, man,
And I was like, dude, I just saw you jumping
through the cake. And he tells me that he had
basically saw the camera was on and the cake was there,
and he just decided he was going to plow through
(22:13):
it and just just to maybe get his you know,
infamy or moment of fame, you know, kind of like
just a reckless, crazy thing that probably nobody today would
do something like that on a set, but it was
a rock and roll set.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You had axl, you had supermodels, you had the guns
and roses, and he just probably saw a moment and
just said, man, I'm just gonna take that cake out.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I gotta be more than an extra. I gotta be noticed.
And he's being noticed decades later. Yeah, billions of views later.
I mean that that's that's really crazy. So, yeah, you
were You had surmised that story in a series of tweets,
and I needed to have a conversation to kind of
(23:01):
to flesh it out, because that is that's brilliant. Did
he was there any I mean, obviously this is so
long ago. Did he recall any sort of reaction from
the crew from the band. Did he just get up
and like run away? Did he just because think about it?
He just stands up and he his cake all over him?
Does he go back to craft services with like with
(23:22):
cake on his face? Like? Was there any other information
that he he gave you? And have you spoken to him?
Not saying recently, but since that phone call.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I have not, And I can't find the guy. The
same with the Donya. I've looked. I've looked for him.
I even found some guy because look, man, it's been
a lot of years. I don't look the same people,
you know. I'm I'm shocked at somehow of us old
guys are looking these days. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
But let's let's just say with that your hair is real,
by the way, if anyone questions.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Rolls, it just is what it is. It's well, there
is a box of color in it. Let's I'll be
honest about that.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, but he still got the hair. Bro good for you,
And I'm.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Gonna grow it out. I'm gonna grow it out and
start rocking again. I think that's I think that's the
next step.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I encourage that. Uh So, yeah, I mean it's been
so many years and I left off the kind of
a teaser the last episode I did. I mean, you
hope the guy is still alive. I don't want to
be that morbid. But that's just Steve Henderson, you know.
And now I think if you when you google who
jumped into November rain Cake, it's like some fans speculated
(24:38):
it's a musician named Steve, and others still think it's
Ricky Rackman. It's the Ricky Rackman thing should never have
become No, I mean, it's that's just like whatever. That's
that's just it. And it's funny how Ricky has said
that he gets asked that still all the time. That's
just lazy work.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Come on, it doesn't even look like him, No, no,
it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
He had that thick you talk about your hairy his.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Hair is long. Yeah, it was really thick. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, this guy, Steve.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Had really straight hair, and like I said, I called
it blonde, but it's really just like a blonde light
light and lightened streak that kind of went down both
sides and then what you would call sandy or dirty blonde,
straight just and he really kind of had sort of
a higher forehead, a longer face, and he was a tall,
(25:28):
thin guy. You know, he had he had all the
things for me. Just I go. This guy's got a
good look, he's got good hair. If I could, if
he could just sing, uh, you know, it would have
literally been he would have just been in my band.
And maybe he wouldn't have been in the Guns N'
Roses video.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So he couldn't sing, obviously, is why it didn't work.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
He could sing, but we were looking for somebody, would
you know I wanted David Lee Roth meets James Brown.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh okay, I wanted.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Somebody soulful that had some you know to it and
could sing some runs and some stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, there's gotta because there. I'm lucky enough to have
done this podcast for a while. I know you've been
you on your page for a while either, and it's
it's very cool, especially when we talk we talk about
the Sunset Script and eighties and how you're passing out flyers.
Now we get fans very differently, you know, online we
have our bases and I wouldn't know specifically anybody anyone
(26:35):
more than you who was there during that time, but
you would hope we keep getting that name out there.
Steve Henderson, you know, to give him, to give him
his They say give him his flowers, that's the phrase.
But give him his cake, give him his cake, you know,
it's that's it should be the household name. We should
be celebrating Steve Henderson Day or something every November, funny
(26:56):
it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Maybe maybe by doing this he will will find him,
and that's kind of my hopes. Or maybe we'll maybe
uh donia will will raise their heads. But here's the thing, man,
I've got a lot of you know, there's Facebook kind
of was the thing that the older generation kind of does,
(27:18):
and there's Instagram, and there's different different platforms. And I've
got a lot of people, you know on Facebook that
are people I knew back in the day. I'm in touch,
you know, with a fair amount of them, but there's
a lot of them that just disappeared, and I have
to wonder, you know, dude, there was a lot of
(27:41):
crazy stuff going on. Some people. Some people want to
not be remembered for anything that they did during that time.
Some people run away. You know, I left. I left
LA in ninety four. I realized nothing's gonna happen different
if I stay here. And I went to Nashville, and
(28:02):
I did Nashville for thirty years. I played every kind
of gig you can imagine playing guitar, so you know,
for me, but I still kept my feet, you know,
I still have a core group of people, musicians and
friends that are out there, or some of them moved away,
but there are and I call it the ghosts, the
(28:24):
ghosts of the Sunset Strip, because there's some dude and
there's some sordid kind of stories, and there's some nice stories,
but there's you wonder like, are they alive? Are they dead? Right?
What happened? You know? All of that.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Oh man, if you haven't done an audio book yet,
you need to do. Oh wait, that's called the podcast now.
I mean, I really do enjoy. When I started watching
your videos, it wasn't just some I don't you look
at it now. We talk about how the new media
people can just turn on the camera and say off
and speak fast and not speak well. You know, obviously
(29:03):
you've been in front of a crowd for a while,
so you're very comfortable. But I really do enjoy you know,
the way you speak, the way you tell videos, tell
stories through your videos. So I encourage people to follow
bad Brad on YouTube, and I really appreciate this story
and sharing it and hope hopefully one day if we
find Steve Henderson, you have to be my co host
(29:25):
or whatever you deserve the uh, the interview or however
we had. We had to do it as a we'll
do it together.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Because you know, it was you guys kind of talking
about this on Twitter that kind of got me fired up.
I don't talk on Twitter much, I don't, you know.
I kind of just kind of post my clips or
or whatever. But I'm not like a guy that sits there.
But when I saw people throwing Ricky Rockman's name in there,
it just no. I was there. I know who it was.
(29:55):
I talked to him after he did it, you know,
and and and then and you've got people, I mean, look,
it's like there's people that don't believe I could tell
them I'm not wearing a wig now, and there's still
some guy out there that he's wearing a wig. It's
just it's glued on or it's you know, and so
it to some people, it's not gonna matter that I'm
(30:18):
telling them. But I'm gonna look you in the eye
right now and tell you the cake Jumper is Steve
Henderson and that's all there is to it.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I believe you for what what that means you. And yeah,
that's why I share these stories on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
I can't quite get the handle of, but I mean
sharing these stories, making clips of you know, bite sized
clips of my longer interviews on YouTube, so these stories
live on There's there's a lot of people like yourself
(30:50):
who may not have been you know, the headliners of
like the Gun who is guns and Roses, But I
mean they have a story to tell. And I'm glad
you're using YouTube and you're getting to share your story.
And thanks for sharing your story with me today, Brad,
and I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Thank you so much. Brandon, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You got it. So that does it for this episode
of Appetite for this stortion. When we see the next one,
in the words of Axl Rose concerning Chinese democracy, I
don't know as soon as the word, but you'll see it.
Thanks to the lame ass security, I'm going home
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