OSU Insider: MASSIVE Finish Coming For Ohio State's 2024 Recruiting Class?? (FINAL)

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So that being said, I'm gonnabring up a good friend in Nevada.
Nevada a lot of consternation yesterday.The Dorian Brew thing was so much
shocking. But again, you knowwhen a kid leaves his high school team
on a Friday afternoon to move toTexas and the dad's kind of shopping him

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to THEE, the Texas, Aand M Texas and Oregon, and he
decides to pop the organ all ofa sudden, like I think he's a
really talented kid. I think he'sa super athletic kid. He'd been a
great fit here. But you know, I mean, sometimes things don't work
out, but somehow Alive of Stateis like a freight train that keeps rolling
down the tracks no matter who's onit. What is reaction to that and
what are some of the positive thingsthat are coming in this way? Because

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there's some big time kids that aregona committing to a histate this week,
it looks like, well, Imean, tomorrow looks like we've got another
Saint Joe's prep kid in Maxwell Roythat should be committed to Ohio State,
a big defensive lineman again, aguy that Larry Johnson really really covids as

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part of this super talented defensive lineclass that Ohio State's putting together right now,
one of the better ones in recentmemory for them. And then on
July third, you've got Justin Hill, you know, the edge from Winton
Woods. And again I think he'sone of the best, you know,
players in state of Ohio's one ofthe best defensive players, you know,

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terrific rusher, one of the bestpass prushers in the entire in the entire
Midwest, maybe in the country.I just love everything this kid does.
I love everything he brings to thedefense, and he's another one that's set
to commit to High State as well. So while the Drian Brewt thing,
you know, I've had twenty fourhours to kind of you know, digest

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it, you know, check withsources on it, you know, recheck
double checking information. I think Reformationwas was really good. And I think
the you know, the Nigel Gloverthing was really something that when you talk
to people closest to him, thatjust kept popping up as an issue.
And I think, you know,for Ohio State, I don't think this

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one's over. I don't think thatthey're done. I don't think they'll stop
recruiting them. But you know,guys like dorn To brew they come in
every class and I'm just not goingto be that broken up about it.
If I was, believe me,I would tell you I we put one
of the core tenants of our podcastis being complete honestly with you guys,

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And if I was broken up,I'd be like, guys, I'm this
one hurts, this one, butI just can't get there. I just
can't. And I'm not going tolie and say, oh wow, this
is somebody's fault or this somebody screwedthis one up, or I just think
some of these things happen. AndI've generally found in life, in both
my you know, personal business professionallife as well as doing this as a

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recruiting that these things ninety nine percentof the time they work out the best
for all involved. And I haveall you know, one of my favorite
sayings is it's not the guys thatyou miss on that kill you, it's
the guys that you get that can'tplay that kill you. And you know,
I think for Ohio State will bejust fine, whether or not you
know, Dorrian brew reconsiders his hisOregon commitment or if he goes on to

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Oregon. I'm just trying to thinkabout the guys. You know, every
time a guy leaves out of hereand goes out of state. Not every
time, but you know, vastmajority of times, man, you replaced
with somebody better. It's just it'swe could go down the list, you
know, Sean Crevel, Prescot justyou know, uh, Jackson Carrman,

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Blake Miller, I mean, justlike go down you know, the Andrew
Walker. I mean just there's justlike a long you know, Fred Davis
every time that you know, kidfrom Ohio. And but the thing with
Dorian, I mean, Dorry wasan Ohio kid, but he moved to
Texas. He wasn't even in thestate already, so there already was kind
of an extenuity circumstance for that.But every time an Ohio kid goes elsewhere,

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somebody wants people want heads to roll, and I think, you know,
for you know, in this case, it's just you know, they
weren't getting through the Nigel glove thing. They were not. They weren't getting
through that. And you know,once the once the diet was cast on
that, I think that it wasjust a matter of time. They picked
somewhere else and in Oregon was theplace to go. I agree. I

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mean, I just I can't getworked up of a kid that you know,
his mom is a track star,was an all conference, uh track
athlete at Ohio State. You know, dad was a national track star really,
so he's an explosive athlete. Butyou know, mom picked up and
you know they kind of took theirball and went home after he had one

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hundred yards in a game. Andthen the next week, uh, you
know, another receiver came in andhad two hundred and he didn't plays and
they, you know, the momkind of had a fit and decided to
move to Texas or closer to dad. And I mean they're not together,
so but they they don't have agreat relationship, but it was good enough
where, Hey, bring him downhere, he can play for me.

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I'll get him on the team.And I mean, this is like week
five of the high school season,so this isn't this isn't like it's the
NFL or you can't even do thatin college just leave in the middle of
the year and go play somewhere else, like, but that's what he did.
And it was that raises an eyebrow. I don't care, I don't
care what's going on, but liketo not even tell the high school coach
on a Friday, Hey, bythe way, he's withdrawing from schooling for

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the high school coach to find outat like four o'clock on Friday night.
You know, cause again, forthose of you that didn't play high school
football, you know, if youget off school at you know, two
fifteen, you usually have to beback in the building at four four point
thirty ish. You know that youdo a little walk through, you do
a little stuff, pregame stuff,then you go play at seven. So

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the coach found out at four o'clockthat Dorian had withdrawn from school. He
practiced the day before, was atschool, and then he withdrew from school
like that, like that afternoon.So it's that's that's weird, you know.
And again like if that's not adata point, then I don't know
what is in life. And againI'm not saying I wantn't take the kicks.
I think he's a superstar athlete.I think that, you know,
he's a five star in the spreadoffense era. He's the perfect guy that

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could has played corner and I thinkwill grow absolutely grow into being like a
safety, a nickel uh kind oflike you know, he'd be a perfect
like a perfect Jordan Hancock type playerwhere he could play slot on first down
and be physical enough to run becausehe's he's huge for a corner and I
think that when you're that athletic andcat quick to play corner, then you

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could bump into safety. Those arethe guys who make a ton of money
in the NFL. So, youknow what, I take him absolutely,
But does the the handling of thekid by the parents raised an eyebrow.
Yeah, and again like you know, again, it is what it is.
And you know, I've got kids, and you know, I don't
know if I'd go about that way, even if I was really upset with
the coach. I don't know ifI'd pull my kid off the team in
the middle of the season and moveto Texas like that night. That's a

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little crazy, but it is whatit is. And again he uh,
God bless him. I don't thinkwe're out of it. I think that
you know, when you talk toa lot of these kids and you're dealing
with agents and you're dealing with money, you know, Oregon is going to
be a power player in the aisle, There's no question about it. But
so are we. I mean,we could, we could match any offer,
but you know, at some point, like we've got a lot of
really good dvs in this class,I think we're getting to him offered and

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we're gonna be as dominant in theback end as we've ever been this year
going into next year. So youknow, there's gonna be a point where
you know, some of these kidsare gonna get in my opinion, overpaid,
because teams don't have as talented ofrecruiting classes as specific position groups.
So you know, eventually, youknow, if you've got three of the
top defensive backs in the country alreadycommitted, you know, if you lose

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your fourth one and you can savea ton of a ton of money,
like you know, eventually, likethat money can be put towards you know,
David Zanders junior, or it couldbe put towards a defensive tackle.
You know, there's a Jakeem Stewart. There's a lot of different UH spots
that you can look at that Ithink would make a lot more sense.
So with that being said, youknow, we've got we've got uh,

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David Sanders junior, We've got JaiemStewart, We've got you know, there's
a there's a lot of chatter aboutChris Henry potentially reclassifying. I think that
reclassifying is going to become the newnormal because these kids are trying to get
to the DENI all of money asfast as possible, especially when they're in
states that don't allow these kids toget paid in high school. So a
lot of interesting stuff because I thinkJames Stuart is going to reclassify and I
think that you know, is thatthe best thing in the world for his

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development? No, But is itthe best saying for his financial situation?
Yeah, So you know he's goingto be real interesting. In between him
and David Sanders, they both haveblank checks from Ohio State at this point,
so we're not gonna get beat oneither of those guys from a monetary
sense. So I'm excited about it. I think this is going to be
a monstrous class. And you know, no matter how high could this thing

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can finish, because that's like thething is. You know, Dorian Brew
is projected to be in this classby every single analyst known to man,
which again, this is why youknow we've moved away from the recruiting analyst
stuff, because all these predictions canget they can go up and be a
smoking hole like an atomic bomb,just with one nil deal or one weird
thing that happens like what happened withDorian Brew, where every single recruiting gut

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missed on him. But we're stillthe number one recruiting class. I think
that we can climb even higher.What's your outlet going for, because again
there's some monstrous fish on the lineright now for Ohio State, and I
think we're the leaders for almost allof them. What are your thoughts?
Yeah, Well, like I said, you got to knock down the two.
I just think you got to takethem one at a time. You
got to get Max ol Roy tomorrow, you got to have justin it will

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happen on Wednesday, and just startknocking these things off one at a time.
And you know, it's it's gonnabe interesting to say how it threads
the needle from an nil standpoint,because we can talk about jackiem Stewart and
having a blank check, or youcan talk about David Sanders having black check,
and you're talking about Decryan Moore gettingthe majority of our wide receiver money
because we're going all in on dkmore. But at some point, you

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know, as you've pointed out manymany times, all these guys have representation
out and they're represented by a lotof the same people, so people know
what the market is, you know, for these players, and if you're
paying everybody at the top of themarket, or or somebody keeps resetting the
market every time, at some pointthe nil money runs dry. I mean,

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I know we like to think ofit as kind of this never ending
well of things. And but it'sreally interesting because you know, I know
Ohio states up there inn aile game. I know, with revenue sharing,
obviously the Ohio state will have asmuch money as anybody. I think it's
twenty two million dollars a year todivvy up between men's and women's athletics and

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football and basketball and everything was likethat. But that'll be more money that's
coming in. But you know thatgets chunked up really quickly when you're paying
guys eight hundred thous dollars a year, a million dollars a year. You
know, these one hundred thousand dollarsa month checks that go to these players,
man that can that can really rackup really quickly. So I'm I'm

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gonna be interested to see how Isay, threads and the nail is because
at some point you're gonna have tomake tough choices and you're gonna have to
make decisions like in every business,you know, it's all you know,
business decisions basically come down to resourceallocation. Where are you where you allocate
your resources? You know, towardsdevelopment, towards sales and marketing, you
know, towards operations, towards youknow, you know where are you put

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your money? And I think forOhio State they're gonna have to make some
choices in this because, as yousaid, we're in on so many top
players coming down the stretch and welead for virtually every single one of these
guys. But you know, you'vegot to make sure that the NIL money
is there, because if you promiseguys money and then you don't deliver,
you know what you end up with. You end up with USC. USC

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is having just a every their classis completely ambhaging, and all these commitments
are going right. You know whybecause they didn't live up their NIL commitments.
And even Jordan Addison, Jordan Addison, you know, the big wide
receiver commitment from Pitt that transferred outthere to USC, he had fifty percent
of the money that they promised them. Never got the money. So USC's

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NIL is a mess right now.And when that happens, when you start
making commitments and then you know,start backing them up, your classes start
done wine. And you know,I think for Ohio State right now,
they've got to make some tough decisionsregarding resource allocation. They've got to bring
this class home and they've got todeliver on all the promises. And that's
again, that's leaning on the foundationheavily, and that's leaning on and Ted

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Carter and Ross Bork to make surethat the fundraising from the school and the
decisions they make regarding revenue sharing inthe right ones. Because I heard Ross
talk about how he felt like outof the twenty two million that they needed
to follow Title nine and that fiftytwo percent of that would go to men's
sports and forty eight percent of thatwould go to women's sports. And you
know, with all due respect,and I don't know exactly what that means,

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but I mean football is the bigdog. I mean football at Ohio
State is just about the whole Enchilada. I mean men's basketball to a way
lesser degree, and then everything else. So in my opinion of that twenty
two million dollars, the you know, the revenue should be allocated accordingly and

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we're gonna need it. But yeah, I don't envy these guys having to
make these decisions and to navigate thisbrave new world of college football and college
football recruiting. But I think youjust got to take it one at a
time, and that once is tomorrowis Maxwell Roy, Let's get that one
in the boat. Let's move onto Justin Hill and let's finish this classle
Yeah, I mean I talked toyou earlier. We talked eight hours a

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day as it feels like. Butyou know, I'm like, what we're
dealing with right now with NIL isyou know, you've got X amount of
dollars. It would be like ifyou ran like like say you ran like
an NFL team, you ran theChicago Bears or you're in whoever, and
all of your players became free agentsevery single year and all of a sudden,

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they're all exposed to people that canpoach them, and you got to
I mean, this is like somethingthat you really got to have. You
know, I don't know if ifif our GM is good enough to do
this, because you really need likean NFL GM who can match the salaries
to what these are. Because again, we had guys on our team who
got poached, you know, notpoached, but they hit the portal and
they got a huge amount of money. Like guys that were getting zero dollars

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in NIL money got hundreds of thousandsof dollars as transfers. Guys that would
have been backup stid O High Seekgus that we don't even miss at all
got substantial money. So you know, when you look at you know,
when you have three five star dbs, and I know how much a five
star dB costs, Like, youknow, when you go after that fourth
one, there's a chance that anotherteam that doesn't have three five star dbs

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committed well all of a sudden sayhey, you know, we're gonna pay
you more because we need you morethan they do. You know, because
because eventually, like if you giveone five star dB an amount of money,
you're probably gonna have to give allthree or four guys close to the
same amnot or if not the sameanat because I mean, unless you're JJ
Smith and you're just you know fromPluto, you're you're just a different,

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a different Unicorn type of player.Like you know, these guys all kind
of know what they're getting, andyou got to give most of these guys
something, you know. Again,I think that that's why you take some
of these these young project kids,because that's kind of like, you know,
when you're you're running your fantasy footballteam and you get some guys on
the waiver wire that help you wonthe title. Like that's what some of
these Ohio kids are that you know, they don't need a huge Nile deal
to get you know, a tightend from Cleveland or a receiver from Mansfield

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or whatever. You know, thosekids you can get pretty cheap. But
I mean some of these kids thatare the high ticket out of state guys
where you have to fight against Tennesseeand Oregon and Texas and that, I
mean, it's just it's just adifferent world. And again I love it
because again, for years and yearswe lost kids that were getting paid by
sec squols and now we get tocompete at and guess what we're good at
it. I mean we got Imean we got quinch on jug we got

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Caleb Downs, and we got wewe are as good as there is.
Will Howard was a huge signing forus. So again I'm here for it.
But you know, again, everyyear in the NFL, you see
teams lose free agents that they theybasically get to the point and tomorrow,
you know, you guys that arethe sports fans, tomorrow's NHL and NBA
free agency. Every year there's guysthat go into free agency as unrestricted free

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agents and they get overpaid, andteams lose guys, and at some point
they're not really losses when a teamspends you know, like a you know,
like a a sailor on shore leave, you know, in free agency.
And that's kind of what some ofthese schools are doing because some of
them they need to upgrade their rostersand and they're playing it like I mean,
Kentucky and Louisville spend like it's insaneright now. And for guys that

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I wouldn't pay anything, they paya lot of money to And you know,
like we had our guy our alignmentthat we paid last year who's stunk.
He went to Louisville and got paidagain. So some of these guys
are really good at work in thesystem despite not being any good at football.
So but like I said, Ilove where we're at. I think
that you know, getting rid ofeighteen seventies at dust door because they haven't

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raised any money and they're you know, they're just not in great shape now
and the foundation is killing it.And I think ross Byork is an absolute
injection of nitious oxide into our fundraisingbecause he he's razor sharp, Like we
haven't had someone that sharp in twentyyears at that spot. So I'm really
excited to see the direction he goes. And again, the people I talked
to that are at the top ofthe food chain at Ohio State, they

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love that guy, and I thinkthat that's exciting. I mean, he
crushed his first test, which wassomething he didn't see coming was hiring a
baseball coach. And you know theguy that he got, who's an Ohio
guy who was at Campbell and dida fantastic job there. And you know,
we've got really good baseball agents onour site. They said that guy's
a Grand Slam home run higher.So Ross Byork is, I mean,
he made that higher and it's beennothing but spades thus far. So really

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excited to see the direction of it. And there's a couple cool fundraisers for
the foundation and they've got a lotof the in stadium stuff this year,
so you know they're going to keepbeing able to raise this money to keep
the ross A strong because you know, again, like you gotta understand when
we're talking an aisle, it's notjust like like what it's turned into ars
his inducements for these recruits, it'salso to fortify the roster for next year,

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because guess what next year you gottayou know, you're gonna keep Caleb
Downs on the roster. You're goingto keep you know, all of these
uh, these guys that are gonnahave a chance of going to the NFL
or potentially come back for their senioryear on the roster. So you know,
you got to keep you know,you got to stockpile some of that
for for roster attention, because whenyou've got really good players and you want
to keep them here like you can, you know, like a kid like
maybe Sonny Styles who has a decisionto make if he wants to go pro

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or if he wants to come backfor year four, like, you know,
you got to break him off alittle bit. So I think it's
better to take care of the kidson the team and go after proven college
players like Caleb Downs, uh thanto spend on some of these high school
kids who've done nothing to produce incollege at all, uh and kids that
you know have you know, Idon't I'm not going to get into the

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parents thing, but you know someof these parents, I mean that they
pull the ripcord on their kids quickand get him out in the portal as
soon as they're not starting as dayone freshmen. So it's uh, it's
always very interesting. I've got somesuper chats and that anything else, and
we will start digging into some superchats. Now, the the concept,
you know, the the the examplethat you use of NFL free agency is

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spot on. I mean, youbasically have instantaneous free agency every year for
your players, and you know,when the market is set by the most
desperate or the most desirous or whateverit is, suitor. Man, it's
uh, it's challenging because you know, some people are just wanting to pay
more, some people just can paymore. And I'm not sure where it

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stops. I mean, you know, it almost seems like they're they're heading
towards, you know, with thisrevenue sharing deal they're having towards some sort
of uh you know cap or somethingthat kind of limits what they can do.
Because frankly, that's what you havein the NFL. That's that's why
you have that in the NFL,is because it's just the one thing that
can do some sanity to people tonot completely totally overspend. And college football

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right now is like you've got freeagency with no cap. So you know,
where does it all end? Andit's uh, like I said,
I do not you know, Ithink that the challenges that are were facing
the coaches, the administration and peoplein college football have never been more difficult
than they are right now. AndI have so much empathy for them because
the job's just so much more demanding. I mean, you think about it

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back in you know, Woody Hayes'sday. You know, he could offer
unlimited scholarships, you know, takekids, hide them away from other schools,
do things. You know. Nowit's like, you know, if
you wanted to leave, you hadto sit out a year, and like
so nobody was transferring. Now itis just it's almost a completely different ballgame.

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And like I said, I Ithink the guys are doing the best
job they possibly can and obviously doingit at a high level. But as
fans, I just think we havea lot We have to have empathy for
him because the challenges are so fast. Well, I just think you have
to have sharper people in the whathe hates. I mean, you got
to you gotta really, I mean, you got to dig down deep and
you got to figure like this ishow much money we're projected to bring in

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you. Because again like Ryan,if Ryan, you know, had like
a really sharp guy, I say, look, Ryan, you got to
have a guy who's your chief fundraiseroutside of you. You need to have
a guy who like I mean,I mean the athletic department has to have
a guy who's literally dedicated to fundraisingfor anisle with Brian shot and seeing with
Bill Lewis, with the guys thatare at the foundation, Like I mean,
that's what you really need because theysay, Okay, these are the

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guys, this is how we're goingto organize it. And and I think
that that's that's important because again it'slike how good you want to do well,
it's like how much money can weraise it? And again something that
I think is going to come downthe line. And again this is just
my projection, but you know,I think eventually like some of these sports
need to go away. And againI know that Ohio State is you know,
we've got thirty six sports right now, and the SEC Skulls in Texas
and all the major universities that thatwe compete against, they've got sixteen sports.

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So you know, again those sportsall they're all lost leaders. And
you know, again they're all likethe WNBA where they lose you know,
fifty million dollars every year to justoperate. I mean, that's what these
school you know. And when youwhen you're Texas and you're Tennessee and you're
trying to compete, I mean theyonly have sixteen sports. They don't have
every sport known to god man,and sports that frankly cost us a lot

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of money because you know, Italk to people at the top of the
food chain in college sports and theythink that that's going to come and there's
not going to be a lot ofthese things. And again that's sad,
but it's also reality because again,when the price of dulling business goes up,
you got to make cuts. Yougot to make cuts somewhere. And
again that it's it's not grim,but it's just you know, you got
to run a business, you know. And again when when football drives the

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bus and it gets billion dollar TVdeals, like kids need to get a
bit of money. And again,our coaching salaries are so insanely out of
whack and expensive that it's like it'salmost mind theming how much some of these
coaches. And again I don't care, but it's like, you know,
we pay for guys that don't reallyhave any options to go elsewhere. We
pay guys that when we get ridof them, they don't end up at

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they don't end up at Alabama orGeorgia, they end up unemployed on the
breadline. So you know, atsome point, like the sanity has to
come back to some of these coachinghires because you know, you don't need
to hire guys and pay him aton of money when they really don't have
a market. Because that's something whereit's just like in the NFL, like
when I was when I was inthe league, and you know, I
talked to some of the agents,some people I knew, Like I'd look

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at free agency and I'd be like, how did that guy get that much
money from like the Colts or theDolphins. In every year, there'd be
a couple of teams that would justspend just insane amounts of money for guys
that really didn't have markets, Likeis you a guy would get like a
thirty eight million dollars deal and hisnext best offer was like a three year,
fifteen million dollars deal, And I'mlike, how do aren't they old?
It's like your jimmers? He wasspending like a drunken sailor that day,

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and he signed all these guys,and it's kind of like Daniel Snyder,
Like Daniel Snyder back in the dayspent you know, he signed Hainesworth
and Dion Sanders and he spent allthe Bruce Smith all this money and it
didn't really work out, you know, like A and M did. And
like some of these teams that aretrying to build these rosters by just handing
out an eye O money like it'spez, I don't think it always works

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out in the end. All right, let's get the super chats. Uh
brush Popper. Thanks, oh one, thanks for the five. If you
have a question, toss out inthe chat. I do not see a
question here. I appreciate your brotherLuke nicely. Thank you for the deuce,
and I see that you have aquestion next again, thank you for
the five. Appreciate you, myfriend Kirk Nevada. Outside of David Sanders
Junior, where does the O lineclass stand. What is the realistic end

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of the class look like versus thedream class? Well, you know we
got we got Carter Low's a fivestar tackle. In my opinion, I
think he's really good. You know, we got Jake Cook, who I
think he's got a lot of upsideand he's a tough kid, and he's
he's the kid that's probably improved morethan any kid in Ohio just because he
you know, he decided to worklike he went you went out for wrestling.

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He's lost a lot of fat.He trained with Eric Lichter really became
explosive. Uh you know, andagain like that's that's just you know,
and shout out to his parents.His parents paid for a good trainer to
train him and make him into adifferent type of athlete than he was,
and uh, good for him,dude. I mean, I'm telling you,
like, it's it's like when youpay for you know, a kid

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to get developed like that. It'sit's I mean, his his family,
by you know, spending money ongetting him trained turn him into an Ohio
State football player. If he doesn'tget trained, he's not Ohigo State football
player. He's going to Louisville orwherever. But I mean, you know,
he got him up to being likea top tier football player. So
I love him. I know we'rein on some other kids, uh you
know Cemeterial guys, But David Sanderjuniors. He's surprised, you know,

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Mike the Bos committed to BAM.I don't think we're done with him,
but you never know. And againI think that, you know, I
think you keep recruiting these kids untiluntil the very end. I think that,
you know, as the season playsout, there's always movement, and
you know, teams don't do itas well. Teams do great. And

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these kids are you know, kindof schizophrenics sometimes, Like you look at
uh, the kid from Iowa whowent from Iowa to Bama to Iowa to
back to Bama, Caden Proctor,Like you just you keep recruiting these kids
as long as you have to.But David Centers Junior is obviously is he's

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the guy. I mean, youknow, any other year, Carter Low
would be perfect. But if youget him and David Centers Junior, that's
as good as a class as we'vehad a long time. And then next
year we've got a great, greatin state Ohio offensive tackle class. So
you know, I think that,you know, if Justin Frye lands David
Sanders Junior, I think that he'sgot a nice little road, He's got
a nice little two year window whereIt's like, you know, it's always

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substantially easier to land in state kids. So I think it's gonna be really
interesting to see what he can doover the next year's But David Sanders,
I mean they emptied the clip tryingto get David Sanders Junior, and I
don't know, I don't know whatelse we could possibly do to get him,
So they didn't. They didn't leaveany stone and turned on his official
visit. They brought out all thebig guns, and I feel great abou

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where we're out with the kid,and I know we're off from you know,
the sun, the moon and thestars, and we're probably gonna name
Ohio Stadium David Sanders Junior Field ifwe get them at this point. So,
Nevada, where are you at againwith the O line class outside of
David Sanders Unior. What does theO line class? Where does it stand?
And what is the realistic end ofclass coffect versus the Dream class?

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Your thoughts? Well, I meanthe dream class really is David Sanders and
Carl Low, I mean that isthe dream class. Everything else I'm excited
about Jacob. I think he's goingto be one of those guys that's the
developmental guy that's going to turn outto be a really good player here and
wherever else. They add is likeI said, it's just icing on the
cake. But I mean, butthe dream class has always been David Sanders

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and Carl Low and you're fifty percentof the way there. I think they're
getting David Sanders. Everybody I talkto thinks they're getting David Sanders. So
but you know, I thought theywere getting Drian brew So yeah, nothing
surprises me. And recruiting anymore.But like you said, they've I think
they've They've handled the recruitment really responsibly. All signs are pointing that way.

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I feel really good about it.I don't see any there's no flashing red
flags that are laying there below thebelow the Like I said, the only
thing that could be is if justin his mind, for some reason,
he was a snambor with playing inthe SEC. And I haven't heard that
from anybody credible, but I knowwith some kids that's the thing. But
I think that for all the reasonswe've talked about, the Paris Johnson relationship

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with Monica Johnson relationship, the academicprofile of the school, the success with
tackles the nil package, the profileof ohiose state. I think our hastate's
getting him, and I think thatis the dream class. So I think
the reality class and the dream classare really close together. It's a class
of one right now, as faras I'm concerned, get David standards and

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a happy yeah. I mean thatit's sad at this point that we've got
the number one. I feel likewe're Verruka from Willy Wonka on the chocolate
factory, where it's like we wantthe golden goose. If we don't get
the golden Goose and everything sucks andour life's over and how are we ever
gonna survive? Because like, ifwe don't get David Sanders Junior, we're
still gonna have the number one classin the country. But it's like there's

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always that guy that like the wholeworld is like fixated on where it's like
we have to get this kid orelse shut the program down. Fire justin
Fry fire, Ryan Day, fireeveryone in the building. But they did
everything they could do, you know. And again the thing about now again,
I know I do my little Nilediet tribes and people, you know,
they glaze over because they're sick ofhearing about it. But like,

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this is why I love nil becausefor a kid like him, I know
what he costs, and it's veryexpensive. And guess what we can actually
pay it because in the olden daysof us being goodie two shoes, we
didn't do that, at least notnot overtly. No, I'm not stupid.
I know there are guys that I'msure we're on the take that we're
around Ohio State. I get that, but now like we can literally it's
just open negotiation and open contracts andagents, and like, I actually like

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that because then it's not all backAlley run the money through the church Cam
Newton stuff. So you know,I really like how it is now.
And you know, for a kidlike David Sanders Junior, it does nothing
but hump Ohio seat that Aniowa isthe way that it is right now.
Hh buck guy five, thank youfor the ten. I appreciate you,
my friend, Hi as you gothrough the dudes verbally, obviously Sanders is

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the big fish, but I stillfill linebacker and ten and could use more
filling out. Are there any boomscoming that you see here in Nevada?
Oh? I? Oh well,I mean we have two tight ends.
I mean we're you know, we'regonna get the kid from Gilmore School,
Lenin. So I think that tightends done when you got Nate Roberts and

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you get Lenin linebacker. I meanI think Riley Riley, uh Pettijohn is
the guy that's that's the guy thatwe've got a lot of smoke around right
now. I know that that's James'snumber one guy. Uh So you know
again we've got uh tj all forkind of uh sniffing around other schools right

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now. Pettijohn, I think isfantastic. You know, like I I
really kind of like our linebacker roomright now. I think, you know,
see you get CJ. Hicks foranother, you get him and Sunny
next year is our starters after CodySimon graduates. Gay Powers is a guy
that is really coming on from peopleI talked to you of the summer.
So you know, when you playtwo linebackers, I don't I don't sweat
it as bad as the old threeline backer days. You know, we

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don't play three linebackers because there theyaren't fullbacks anymore, so you don't need
to match up and have a middlelinebacker to match up against the fullback like
you had to in the olden days. So I really like, uh,
where we're trending. I think Jamesis doing a great job. I think
tight end is done with the Youknow, you don't take three tight ends
in the class, so we're gonnahave our two tight ends. And then

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I think, uh, you know, linebacker, you know you gotta Riley
Petejohn. I mean, he's theguy from Texas who James loves, and
I think that he's a guy thatwe're going to recruit and offer a sizeable
and I all deal to you toget here, I got to beat Texas
and Texas A and m on him. So Nevada, your thoughts again,

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hh, Buckye, thank you forthe ten, he says, as you
go through the dudes verbally. Obviously, David Sinis Junior is the big fish,
but I could still feel linebacker andTed could use some more filling out.
Again, I I appreciate that,but I don't know, I honestly
don't know if we've ever taken threetight ends in the class ever, because
like that's that's a lot of tightends, especially when we go two tight
ends like maybe five or ten percentof an entire game. That's that's a

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lot of tight ends. Are thereany booms coming out there that you could
see Nevada? Your thoughts? Yeah, like you said, Lennon Roberts in
the class. So I think yourtight end recruiting's done. Two good ones,
two really really good ones. Youlinebacker, you know, I mean
it depends on how how you lookat Justin Hill as an outlying linebacker,

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as he you know, an edge. You know, where's he playing?
But Riley petted John? Riley pettedJohn's the guy. I talk to a
really good source down to Texas andthey've I'm not saying they've written him off
Tohow State, but they all thinkhe's coming to Ohow State. So we'll
see, you know that. Idon't think that'd be a shocker to people
right now. I think there's beena lot of smoke around him, and

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I think James Lorne has done,you know, an unbelievable job recruiting him.
I know he's super high on OhowState's board, super high on James's
board. And uh, I meanif we got Riley Petti John, I
would be ecstatic. You know thatthat that's a guy that I you know,
you talk about different recruits where youknow, you there's different degrees of
caring and despair that would go alongwith losing. I wouldn't be in despair,

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but I'd be ecstatic if we gothim because I think he's a heck
of a player and I think hewould really really shine under James too.
Yeah, I mean, like,like I it's funny you talk about the
despair because I I love that youbrought up like Prescott Burgess and Sean Crable
and you know people, I knoweveryone lives in Dieson recruiting and we talk

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about recruiting basically every day on theshow. But like you know, in
the olden days in twenty years ago, when we were getting recruited and we
lose Prescott to Michigan, Mighty PrescottBirge has had a tongue ring, so
anywhen we lost him, that wasn'ta loss because you know, come on.
And then Sean Crable, who's twogreatest plays in his entire career were
not blocking the edge guy when AppyState blocked the field goal at the end

(36:35):
of the game, and then hittingTroy out of bounds when he was five
feet out of bounds. He hithim, and he got us a fifteen
yeard penalty to ice the game downfor us. Like, you know,
on signing day, people were likejumping off cliffs. They're jumping off the
top of the Bridge Lane avenue becausewe lost those guys, and we lost
like Stanley mcclover, who sucked,didn't do anything in his career, and

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I forget who else, Like there'ssome guys that like left at the last
minute, and Stanley was in ourclass and went to Auburn last minutes.
It's like who cares? You know? So I you know again, and
we're in better shape now than wewere back then. Like my class,
I think we were like a topfifteen class. Like this class is the
number one class, and Dutavious declaredit's one of the rivals. MVP like
absolutely lights out at this big fivestar camp. So I mean, you

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know, we're led by the guywho's probably gonna end up being the highest
rated quarterback in the class, andwe've got stars galore on top of J.
J. Smith and the rest.So it's gonna be, uh,
it's gonna be a really really specialspecial time. So you know, I
just I love where we're at inrecruiting despite what some people like to be
worried about. But I just Ican't worry about it, especially when we

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have the number one class. DeSonny, what's up by that? Miss
you yesterday? Thank you for thefive. What was the biggest shocker as
of a recruit that we landed wasJK. Dobbins? Hard to believe because
he committed it without visiting now that, what are your thoughts on That's a
great question. I'll let you gofirst on this one. Let know Von

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Bell. Von Bell was one thatjust because you know, we were going
against everybody on him and it wasyou know, a late in the day
or you know, the signing daytype of commitment type of thing, and
we had never seem to really winthose battles, especially against southern schools,
and there wasn't a lot of optimismon you know, in the kind of

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the recruiting circles on Von so Vonwould have to be up there for me
as as pleasant surprises for sure,and boy turned out to be a terrific
buck guy. Uh, you know, great player all the way around.
And but yeah, I'd say VonBell would probably be my biggest surprise mine

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was, and this will be adifferent one. Curtis Grant was low key
shocking to me just because Curtis wasyou know, he was the number two
player in the entire country. Imean, the only guy that was above
him when we got him in twentyeleven was Judavian Clowney. You know,
Jenevian Clowney is probably the greatest highschool player I've ever seen. You go,

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I mean again, go watch hishighlight tape from high school and it's
like that dude could have played inthe National Football League as as an eighteen
year old. I'm not kidding.I played in the league and there were
guys that were as good as himwhen he was an eighteen year old.
But you know, Curtis was thenumber two guy, and you go watch
his high school tape and I waslike, I thought we were getting the
next Ray Lewis. I really did. And he was dominant. He was

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fast, he was huge, Imean for a linebacker, he was.
He looked like an NFL player asan eighteen year old. And I'll never
forget. Like we're we hosted hisofficial visit. We used to take the
kids to the old Eddie George's barnand Girl, which used to be like
right on It was right on HighStreet. You guys probably all remember the
location. It was right next tothe books, the Barnes and Noble bookstore,
and like I remember, we takehim there and great kid, Like

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I really liked him, and Iwas talking to him and chopping it up
with him, like I said,I love. I thought it was a
great kid. I was really excitedabout him. You know, he was
just so highly rated. I waslike, you know, we don't do
great on getting guys like this.Traditionally from Virginia, everyone you Bama wanted
them. Florida, everyone in theworld won this kid. And I remember
he ordered They had like the signaturelike twenty seven ounce like Porterhouse steak,

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and you know that was like becauseEdie was obviously number twenty seven, so
this is twenty seven ounce steak.He got his steak cooked well done,
and I swear to god, ittook them like an hour to cook the
steak, so I'll never forget.Like, you know, everyone's food comes
out, everyone's kind of waiting forCurtis's food. Like I waited because I
didn't care, And I was like, I'm not gonna start eating before the

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number two kid in the country does. But Curtis, like, I'm telling
you, like, the food's allout, and all the other everyone else,
all the other kids had started eatingbecause they're just like script, let's
eat our food while it's hot.Like thirty more minutes ago, they finally
bring out Curtis's steak, and Iwas like beside myself because I was like,
we just lost the best liebacker inthe country because it took him an
hour to cook his stupid well donesteak. But we still got them once

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again, you know again, Likeyou know, when every other kid and
every other coach, and every otherparent and every other staffer and janitor,
when they all have their food satdown at this huge table of fifty people,
and the best player in you know, in the entire room, and
the most coveted player in the roomdoesn't have his food. You're just like,
can we please fire everybody that worksin that kitchen or police, fire

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the manager, please fire everybody.But it was Curtis's faults. He ordered
a well done, like humongous,like thick steak. So it was I
was like, there's no way we'regetting this kid, because we screwed that's
how That's why we screwed it up, because he didn't get a damp or
he didn't get a steak like intime. But he still came, so
that was great. But I remembersitting there and I was like, we
just lost Curtis Grant because it tookhim an hour to get his food and

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everybody else had their food in fifteenminutes. Because they know who we are.
We had the whole back room bookfor the official visits and it was
they really did a good job withit. Now they take him to Hyde
Park, which is a million timesbetter because back in the olden days we
were balling on a budget and asit now, there was no budget.
Thank you, Urban frank Meyer.So mine's Curtis Grant because he had his

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hour long steak fiasco, which ismind numbingly bad. David Panerk, what
is up? Brother? Thank youfor the twenty and think it's been Aulshomember
as well. I hope you guysare driving safe you're heading back from Bham.
I hope Rachel is good. HopeJanet is good if she's in the
carlistening with you. Hey, guys, good to be able to listen life
start on a Saturday. Will thisbe the most impactful buck Eye class?

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I think it could be for me. Though the hard part is like when
I think about a recruiting class,now I tack the I don't just do
like a recruiting like a high schoolrecruiting class. Now, to me,
I make it a big glob ofhigh school recruiting class returnees that that return

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for their senior years and transfer portalbecause this past class is gonna be the
standard bearer for probably as long asI love because you get Caleb Downs,
quinch On Judkins, Will Howard WellKasmeric, then you get Jack Sawyer back,
you get JT. Tuomloa, thenyou get Jeremiah Smith. You know.
So I'm not gonna name everybody becauseyou guys want to be here till

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midnight. But I think, tome, it's kind of like if you
judge an NFL team by their offseason, and you generally compute the draft plus
free agency plus retention of their currentroster, Like that's kind of how I'm
gonna do it from now on,because you know, in the old days,
like if you want to upgrade yourroster, it was basically who do
you get in your recruiting class.Now there's just way more ways to do

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it, and especially with the niland and the way more guys are gonna
stay in college, which I love. I love seeing Jack Sawyer for his
senior ye and j T. Tumlowfor their senior year. I think,
you know, this past year isgonna be the standard bearer. But you
know, going forward, there's gonnabe some guys with decisions to make about
going to the league or not.And I'm thinking Josh Simmons, Sonny Styles,

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you know guys that, uh,you know, they're gonna have a
decision to make, and I thinkit's gonna be interesting to see what they
do and how you know, DaveSinec BuNos is gonna be a big one
for sure. He's the guy that'sgonna be on the watch list. He's
a freaky, freaky cornerback. SoI'm gonna look at all that. But
Nevada, what are your thoughts.I think that this year is, uh,

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this is gonna be a big timerecruiting class. But like I said,
do you do you evaluate it asjust one to one recruiting classes or
do you do it as like anoff season total, because it didn't really
exist previously, Like I mean,when I was you know, in the
old I mean five years ago,like you could, it wasn't really the
transfers plus the recruiting class. Butnow it absolutely is to me. But
what are your thoughts on that?Again? David and Erk? Thank you,

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he says, Hey, guys,sorry, we're good to listen to
Live Storry's Saturday. It wants tobe the most impactful bluck Eye class.
What are your thoughts on that?Yeah? I think I think your point
about talent acquisition and retaining talent andadding talent via the portals were really good
one in an underrated point. I'dadd one more things like adding coaching staff,

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you know, you know, especiallynow that they've kind of expanded the
coaching staff but kind of expanded theimportance of these analyst positions. Every position
now is a potential on field coachingposition, and so you know, I
think it's not only player personnel,but it's you know, how well did
you do with your support personnel,how well did you do with your your
coaching staff, because you know,much like all these other teams are basically

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foreign teams for a house state andsome of the bigger schools. All these
teams are potential farm teams for ahouse state from a coaching perspective, because
you know, we've talked about thecraziness and coaching salaries. We'll all salaries
at our house that aren't going togo down. They're only going to go
up as you're adding more and moreand more of these you know, you

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know, position coach number eleven,twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
to go on down the list,and they're all making two three, four
hundred thousand dollars a year. Youknow, it's not going to get down
any you know, anytime soon.But now you know last year was going
to be tough to be you know, this one just from a pure recruiting
stampoint. You know, the challengeon this is that some of the best

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recruiting classes ever have faded out,and you know, you know, you
look at these classes and when yougo back in time, you look at
it and you're like, wow,man, if you get twenty five percent
of these kids that are actually producers, that's good, and you know,
fifty percent is crazy. We've talkedabout the two thousand and two class where
it was like seventy or eighty percentof them were productive, was just you
know, unbelievable. So you justdon't know how many of them are gonna

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be you know, you know,productive. But on paper, this is
as good or better than any recruitingclass that I've ever seen in Ohio's day.
If we get the guys we thinkwe're gonna get, it might end
up beat. It's gonna it's gonnarank right up there with some of the
greatest recruiting classes of all time incollege football. So we'll just have to
see how they pan out. Buton paper, boy, it sure looks
good. Yeah, Like I mean, you look at the vaunted Texas A

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and M class from three years agothat was the highest rated class in the
history of these stupid you know,composite ratings, and there're got players transferred,
you know, I mean, they'resuperstar defensive DACA went to the whole
miss. So it's like, Idon't know, like I mean, is
it is it smart? I mean, I know that people love recruiting rankings,

(47:13):
they love star rankings, but Ithink that you know, if you
recalibrate and look at what guys endup going after their crazy it's just like
any any talent evaluation metric. Youknow, it's like, what do you
they do in NFL draft class gradelike the day after the draft, like
you know, mel Kiper and ToddMcShay, they do that because people love
to read that, they love tosee that. It's just like fodder for

(47:36):
the off season. But then youlook back in four years and you look
at, Wow, that guy turnedinto a superstar. You know, Wow,
that guy was a huge bus well. That guy made you know,
set the record in free agency,and he was a mid round guy.
Like you know, I don't like. I mean, you look at the
Browns draft class from last year,like Dewan jonesh had been a first round
pick, you know, and he'sa guy who's gonna make a fortune on

(47:58):
his second deal. So does thatbumped the Browns up a little bit?
I think it does. I meanon draft Day they probably weren't thinking,
oh my god, let's pop champaignswith Dewan. But I I think that,
you know, in my class,again, I always go back to
the way back machineers is. Youknow, that's my favorite machine in the
entire world. But you know,people were lighting cigars when we got Darius
Highley, who was a five starAll World player. You know, when

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Lewis here was already de committed fromOhio State, committed to Miami, de
committed to Miami, and recommitted Ohighs. I mean, it was like you
would have thought we won another nationaltitle when Lewis came back to Ohio State
left the Miami Hurricanes. I meanit was and neither of those guys did
a meaningful thing. I mean,the only thing people remember Lose for was
that he got arrested and he droppeda touchdown that Justin Zuick through. So

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I mean that's like, you know, I mean, people, but that's
why I'm like, guys like youshould see you know what some of these
other guys end up dling, becauseyou know, there were guys in that
class that were really productive, thatwere and I'm not talking about me,
but like you know, Ashton Abodeended up being, you know, a
third round pick, was a reallygood corner for us. You know,
Done obviously was by far the bestplayer. He went eighth overall in the
draft. Gonzo went first round,you know, and Gonza wasn't anywhere near

(49:07):
as heralded as Darius Highly. Theyboth ended up playing receiver at Ohio State.
And you know, you know,if you said, what on on
sunny Day, which one is gonnabe the first round pick? There isn't
a human on this earth that wouldhave picked Gonzo over Darius highly. But
when they got on the field,it's very bad. He was the better
player, all right? Uh DSonny again, what's up? Brother?

(49:27):
I appreciates you, my man,thank you for the five random But as
NFL fans would like UH to getthe lead to get rid of the franchise
tag. Every year a franchise QBcontest the quarterback or contesta market. You
know, I I think that Ilike the franchise tag because I think that
it allows you to keep at leastone really good player on your roster.

(49:52):
But you know, like if you'relike I like I talk about with the
roster management and managing anile deals forrecruits and roster retention. Like if the
Mines the Vikings had all their guysgo up in free agency right now,
Like, could they really afford tosign Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison at the
same time. No, because they'reboth gonna want twenty five million each.

(50:13):
Uh So one of them are gonnahave to walk. I guess that's kind
of the tightrope you walk in collegefootball right now. And these guys are
you know, Ohio State's middle partof the roster, the the the middle
tier players that are like the secondthe two deep guys they get hit up
by you know, middle men toto to go to UH to hit the

(50:34):
portal and and make serious cash.You guys that aren't really valued at Ohio
State. Now Ohio States they haveto pay their middle tier guys to stick
in the roster. That's part ofthe new UH calculus when you're computing how
much money you can pay to yourJJ Smith, your Caleb Downs, your
middle guys, your bottom guys,just for like some support whatever, you

(50:55):
know, Like I mean, it'sit's just a different world. So I
think, you know, with UH, with the franchise tag, you know,
if every quarterback in the league wason a one year contract and every
year there was no franchise tag,like there could just be one crazy owner
that's like, you know what Iwant, Pat Mahomes, I'm gonna pay
him one hundred million dollars a year, one hundred fifty million whatever. I'm

(51:16):
gonna break my salary cap for oneyear with Pat Mahomes and just roll the
dice on the rest of the roster, because that's what could happen. And
again that's what some of these theseteams they do. I again, I'm
fine with you know, I lovethat these kids are getting paid a nile,
but Ohio state, there are variousTUO. They've got specific guys in
the Woody Haes that know the marketsfor kids. They've got really good ties

(51:39):
with the Asian communities is like wedo, and they know what the going
rate is for kids. So whensome kid gets some absolutely insane offer and
he commits elsewhere is what it is. I mean, you just gotta let
it. You just gotta let itgo and build your roster out. Again,
like I said, if you guysare NHL fans and NBA fans like,
you'll see guys get paid crazy minein the next two days. And

(52:01):
a lot of these teams like theylook back and they're like, God,
I'm glad we didn't give that guythat deal. You saw how that thing
turned out. You know, yougive some some kid with crazy parents a
bunch of money like that, ain'tgonna that. I could end up well,
I'm just telling you and that's thisyou know kind of and again that's
not that's not a Joran Bruce shot. I'm just saying, like I just
heard, I've heard stories about kidsgetting recruited and when the parents are driving

(52:22):
the bus man, it ain't itain't always good. So sometimes it's additioned
by a subtraction or addition by nighteven subtracts edition by not getting So it
is what it is. And againI I wish Joran brew the best,
and if he becomes a buck Eye, great, If he doesn't, great,
the program will be just fine withouthim, because again, if there's
one spots, it's like missing ona receiver. Like at this point,

(52:44):
who cares like missing on our dB? With how deep our secondary is.
I just I can't fathom caring aboutthat. No, that at your thoughts,
random, But as NFL fans,would you like the league to get
rid of the franchise heg Like Isaid I would, because if I've got
Mahomes or Trevor Lawrence or somebody like, I don't want that guy to hit
the under cearchy for agency market.There's no way every year a franchise QB

(53:07):
could test the market. What areyour thoughts about it? Yeah, I'm
I'm pro stability. I you know, I like, you know, I
just as a fan. I'm justtalking strictly as a fan, whether this
is fair or not or you know, constitutional or whatever. You know,

(53:28):
I'd like knowing who the players are, like, I like being able to
follow the players, knowing who's onthe team, you know. I like
the franchise tag. I think itpromotes stability. I think it promotes some
sort of you know, financial sanity, and you know, I'm all for
that. But I'm but that's justa general rule for me on everything.
I like everything because I liked,you know, the you know, the

(53:51):
kind of the romantic notion of havingguys that were on your team and stayed
on your team. And you know, for me, that's the biggest challenge
of college football right now is justyou know, the the uncontrolled use of
the portal. I hope it kindof calms down. I think it probably
will, but I hope it doesbecause I think about college basketball right now,
Like when I grew up, Icould name college basketball players, Like

(54:15):
right now, I literally could notname three college basketball players for next year.
Like you said, give me here'sa million dollars named three players playing
college basketball next year. I'm notsure I could do it. And I
used to be able to name entirestarting fives, you know, from opposing
teams at alone. Oh, howis that gonna do the entire roster?

(54:35):
So's it's it's a super challenge,and you know, I think it's really
hurt college basketball. So I likethe franchise tag in the NFL. Well,
I like it because, you know, you if you draft a superstar,
like the Cleveland Browns get Miles Garrett, like, you don't want that
guy to ever leave ever now again, if you franchise the multiple years in
a row, I mean, itgets to be an insane cost, but

(54:58):
you can still pay it. Youknow. That's why most of these teams
they come to grips and they say, like, let's just work out a
long term deal. I'll pay you. You know, Miles Off he's being
one hundred fifty million dollars whatever forlike five years or seven years whatever he
makes like, but he's the highestpaid. I mean when he signed his
deal, he's the highest paid endin the history of maybe the highest paid
defensive player. But I I likeit because you know, if you get
your Aaron Rodgers or your Mahomes orc J. Stroud, Like c J.

(55:22):
Stroud is never going to see theopen market in a million years,
you know, unless unless he,you know, gets vertigo or falls off
the earth somehow in the next twoyears. Like he's going to be a
textan for the rest of his life. And again I like that, Like
I like that, you know,if you're if you're smart enough to scout
and you hit a gem and he'sa guy that's a really good player,
and you can franchise him and keephim walked on your team, Like I

(55:44):
think it's great. It's the samewith the NHL, where you know,
the young players or they get restrictedfree agency, they have three a three
year entry level deal, then theyhave a multiple year restricted free agency deal,
then they're unrestricted after like five years, and then you've got like the
NBA, like if you sign amax deal, you get more money if
you say it with your home team. You know. Again, I like

(56:05):
when there's some loyalty, but Ialso think I like when you're financially rewarded
for loyal Like, you know,Jalen Brown resigned with the Celtics and signed
a huge deal, three hundred milliondollars deal. But you know he got
that money because he stayed in Bostonas opposed to hitting understrict a freegency where
he would have made fifty or sixtyloss. I remember Michael Red when he
was uh, you know, whenhe was in his prime and had a

(56:29):
chance to join the cast with Lebron, Like, you know, he resigned
in Milwaukee because he could make anextra like forty million dollars or thirty or
something crazy like that. You signa max deal back, you know,
fifteen years ago whatever it was,and people were like, well, what's
another thirty million on top of youknow, ninety million. I was like,
well, it's another thirty million dollars. So, I mean, I
don't know anybody in the universe isgoing to turn that down to play the

(56:51):
exact same game and do the exactsame thing, especially when it's a team
that drafted you and believed in youand developed you into an All star in
the whole I know. So Ilike that. And again that's why I
like what Ohio State did with theroster this year. They paid Jack Sawyer,
they pay JT. T. Molathat tie leak you know all these
kids that come back, you know, I mean then they they the mid
tier guy. CJ. Hicks gotpaid a little bit. Caleb downs like

(57:15):
I like that. You know again, when when the coaches are when everyone's
making money, it's good that theycan retain these rosters and these kids can
live on some on door dash insteadof top Ramen every single night. Uh
poo Beard at twelve, Thank youfor being Also remember appreciate your brother as
always. Thank you for being onhere and always having great questions and hilarious

(57:35):
questions. There was a program whoemployed a goon. Oh my god,
this is great. This is inrebuttal of the Michigan dude who cheated but
they felt themselves immune. He thoughthe was slick, wearing shades like a
prick. Oh my god, nowhe's caught and they're facing they're doing Huvid.
You're the band dude. That isabsolutely fantastic. I'm sure that you

(57:58):
had that space out correctly. You'rea little like a poem, and I'm
glad I was able to find thepauses. So shout out to you for
putting the caps the capital uh letterswhere you needed the like the little line
breaks on your poem, and Itried to hit that as as clean as
I could with the rhyming. ButPuvid, you're the man that is absolutely
hilarious and that is great, andthat is sure. Lean ribottal to the
Michigan folks that we're on here andthey super chat these like funny dumb things

(58:22):
all the time, But I appreciateyou, my man Nevada uh Any reaction
to Pubir's fantastic poem that he superchatted us. Yeah, I want somebody
to explain to me what a highcoup is though, Like, like,
I like poems because I kind ofunderstand them because they're like rhyme like that.

(58:42):
But then people write the hikups andthey don't rhymes, they don't make
any they don't make any sense.But it's kind of supposed to be like
the same thing. I mean,it's just it's just like a it's this,
it's a seventeen syllable Japanese poem.It's five seven five to make any
sense, but it doesn't rhyme.But if it doesn't rhyme, it's not

(59:02):
a poem, right, No,it's a high ku. Yeah, man,
I like police better than haiku,I think I would take that over
any haiku right there, that thatpoem. So this is a high k
brown brown leaf, day quivers,a sudden gusts franchis, snap, beauty
and dying. That is a high. But that's that sucks, man,

(59:27):
that that's sucky. I like,I didn't I didn't write didn't. If
I would write, it would havebeen amazing. But I didn't write it.
I just googled it is a hiqu so I could explain to you
real quick. I don't really know. I think I missed. That was
like one thing, like I missedin like English class or something. I
think I was gone or like Imoved schools. And they didn't explain it
because every they talked haiku, andI'm like, what the heck is haikup.
I don't like it. It doesn'trhyme, you know, not a

(59:51):
fan, like not a fan.I'm not a fan. It's not a
fan, all right, Nevada andthis is going to be for you Weird
Science nineteen eighties movie Weird Science,Tony Alford reminds me of the poop version
of chet Chet sitting in on thekitchen floor at the end of the movie.
Nevada, Oh, I oh,I've never seen word science, so

(01:00:15):
I can always say them, comeon, Weird Science. Who played Chet?
I have no idea, I've neverseen it, Bill Paxton, Bill
the Great Bill Paxton, the lateBill Paxson, Bill Paxson's died, and
and Weird Science. The the experimentwas none of the Kelly lebron which in
Kelly Prime Kelly LeBrock was about asgood as it gets back in the day.

(01:00:39):
And uh, what that's the weirdScience about. It's it's like like
a kid, It's like a likea It was one of those teen comedies
where they did like an experiment andthey invented this thing, and they invented
this like it was like their Franken'sfine, but they invented it was Kelly
LeBrock, and she had all theselike magical powers and could do stuff and

(01:01:04):
made these nerds cool and stuff likethat, and it was it was really
cool. Good movie. I mean, that is some serious hairspray right there
now. I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, that's quality. That is.
I mean, can you imagine,I mean there's a whole nes and
just looking at this photo right now, you know, and that takes me

(01:01:24):
back but that's beautiful, nothing likesome I mean of all the things that
we talked about on the show andweird signs coming on. Have to watch
that tonight. That's it's funny.It's funny, very funny movie. All
right. I think you're at thisand then that you're out in the bowt
skis right now? Do you haveany final thoughts? Do you have me

(01:01:45):
to leave Kelly on while you're talkingor do you want me to take her
off? Can you focus? Giveme a final You can't give a final
dissertation? Okay, better, that'smuch better, like ice water. I
do, I do, Kelly brocos, I mean that was prime man.

(01:02:06):
That was that was really good stuff. That's good. She's like an earlier.
She's like an earlier Kelly Kapowski.Oh that was strong too strong,
don't don't get strong, don't getme starting saved by the Bell, the
Tiffany Amberthe's and that was really reallygood. Strong. Okay, Now we're
moving on tomorrow, Operation Maxwell Roy. Tomorrow. We got to put all

(01:02:27):
of our positive energy, you know, another Saint Joe's prep kid. I
think we get him. I thinkwe get him tomorrow. And I think
that's when this happens. It's unlessthe world kind of loses off its axis
and the recruiting world deals with anothersurprise. But let's get back on the
everything's happening according to order. MaxOelroy commits Ohio State tomorrow and that's what

(01:02:50):
we talked about tomorrow night. Isthat so that this is your your proclamations.
We're gonna get back to being therecruiting scene. I'm speaking it in
new existence right now that after KellyLeBrock being put on there, I think
this is a happy time for allof us right now. So yeah,
back to happy thoughts. I lovethat. I think that's perfect. Well,
that's a great way to end ona nice, happy note on a

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all of you. The shout upat Twin Peaks. Shout out to my
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It was a great time. Shoutouts my guy John Marriotti, he
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(01:03:34):
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