October 22, 2025 • 13 mins
In the weeks since Charlie Kirk’s passing, his influence is proving more powerful than ever. TPUSA has received over 54,000 new requests from students seeking to establish or join chapters. With about 900 college and 1,200 high school chapters already in place, the organization is now doubling down on expansion efforts. What began as a small student organization has evolved into a global network shaping the next generation of conservative leadership. Jeff Webb, CEO of Human Events Media Group and the mentor who helped guide Charlie’s early rise, can speak to how this explosive growth reflects Charlie’s enduring vision and why his ideas continue to resonate so deeply with young people today. Jeff was by Charlie’s side from the start, teaching him how to connect with audiences and empowering him to build the youth movement that is now defining the political future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jeff, I can't thank you enough for your commitment to
the future of not only this nation, but the future
of their nation as well as everybody grows forward, and
you are so committed to helping people reach forward and
find trust, faith as well as leadership.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Thank you, Thank you for saying that. I appreciate that
very much.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Well, the journey can't be easy, I mean, perseverance has
got to be tested inside your soul every day. How
do you pull from somewhere to keep that vision growing?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, it's a great question, you know. I consider myself very,
very fortunate in the you know, from really the beginning
of my career practically, I've been lucky enough to be
involved and you know, causes and things and companies that
do generally good things for people, and you know that
(00:54):
to have that kind of honor.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
You know, it keeps me going.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You know, when you can really see when you've got
a team and you're able to achieve things that that
you actually get to see make a difference, it just
wants you. It just keeps you going further and wanting
to do more. So I think that's been really.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
To be that path for young adults.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I mean, because there's so many young adults when you
sit down with them and ask them what their future
is or what are they doing in their present place
of now, especially when it comes to community work, you
get the shrug shoulders or you get I don't know,
and I just I'm so inspired by you because you
have figured out a way to say, well, let's go
figure it out, let's let's let's go work together as
a team, as a family.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, you know, I have to be honest and say,
you know, when I was, when I was you know,
before I was started by company, I was twenty four,
I didn't exactly know either, So there's always time. And
when I speak to the young people or young aspiring entrepreneurs,
I'm always pretty quick to tell them you don't have
to have it all figured out right now, you know,
just just so generally, what you think will will make
(02:04):
you satisfied, that that will motivate you, that will inspire you,
and keep looking, you know, keep looking and and don't settle.
So you know, that's kind of that's kind of been
my approach.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I think, well, I'm seeing that a lot lately, where
people are settling when it comes to leadership and they think, hey,
I'm going to do it this time, and then next
week I'm going to change my mind. I'm going to
change my mind. I mean, that's one of the things
that I learned from my pastor Steven Ferdick at Elevation.
He says, well, you know, you stay here in this church.
This is where you need to be. You need to
be here, and I think more people need that anchor,
and you provide that support where it's like, I'm not
going anywhere else. Jeff's got the way.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Well, I hope that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And again, I've been very fortunate to have some amazing
people kind of hook their start at where I was going,
and we've we've we've achieved quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And there's there's always more to do.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
What is in your daily plan in the way of
making sure that a you've got to get people to
you or you're going to them, I mean, because I
mean there's got to be so many maps going in
every direction and you've got to remain strong.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, you know, it's you know, the the as I
tell people, the list never ends. You know, you never
make it for the list, and uh, there's there's always
there's always more that you can do and again, I've
been in a position where there's a lot of opportunity,
not not necessarily financially at this point, but just opportunity
(03:28):
to do new things and to make a difference.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
One of the things I do a lot of research,
and one of the things that I really dove into
was the fact that are people in fear today, especially
young adults. And the answer that I got in all
the research that I did it was like, they're not
in fear, They're.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Just in doubt.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And it's like, ooh, ooh, are you feeling the same thing?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You know?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I think that, you know, I think we're in a
time where because young people are so connected, you know,
there's social media, and I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
The news is now, right, there's not a news cycle.
The cycle is now. And I think that the just the.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
The being in touch with some of the issues that
that that we face and the things that happen every
day and some of the challenges and you know, some
of the things. This whole come this whole situation where
we've got this political violence, it's becoming more and more acceptable.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
We're becoming numb to it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That I think that that's then you've got the whole
spector of AI, and we're now beginning to see that
AI really does is going to affect opportunities and jobs,
and so.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I think it's a it's a tough time for young people.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I you know, I sympathize it's a tough time, but
there's also great opportunity and you have to be able
to balance thus, to understand what the concerns are, try
to deal with them, but also always keep your eyes
open to the opportunities.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Exim So then you as well as your company and
everybody that you surround yourself with, how do you give
that support to those who are I don't want to
use the word lost, but they are.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
They are. I can see it and I can feel it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, well, I think that that, you know, trying to
put people in a position where they can be successful,
where they can use given talents and their interests.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
To you to commit themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
You know, when they when you get them in that situation,
they're generally they're often running, and then you've just got
to kind of keep it between the lines and keep
encouraging them. And I think I'm very big on recognition
and people. Everybody within a company or an organization has
an important job to do. And it doesn't matter at
what level it exists as far as the structure the
(05:46):
org chart. Everybody makes a difference. And if you can,
if you can really not just you know, not be
manipulative and tell people, yeah, you're important. But if you
really believe that, and if you look for what they're
doing and acknowledge it and recognize it and reinforce it,
then it keeps them, I think, inspired to not only
(06:08):
do a good job at what they're doing, but to
look to the next big thing.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You, in my heart, I just felt like that you
just said to me that you are a listener, that
you will listen and if they do find something that is,
you know, that they don't agree with, you'll say, well,
let's talk about that. I mean you it's like you
got a problem, let's talk. We're not going to argue,
We're just going to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah. I think that's I think that's a great approach.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And you know, I've never been one to think that
I had all the answers, and uh, you know, sometimes
sometimes the answers to your to your to the to
the issues or the impediments that you face in your journey. Uh,
you know, sometimes other people have a better idea than you,
And I've never been arrogant enough to think that I
had all the good ideas. So I think giving people
(06:54):
that opportunity to participate in decision making, taking their inputs seriously,
no matter where they are in the organization, creates a
kind of egalitarian energy that I think is just It
drives great organization.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Please do not move. We'll be right back with Jeff Webb. Hey,
thanks for coming back to the conversation. We're back with
Jeff Webber. Jeff, you give, give, give, give, gives so much.
How are you replenishing your heart? Because I mean that
when you give, I mean it's got to come back somehow,
some way.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well again, you know, I've been fortunate enough to, you know,
to have great anchors in my life, my family, from
my parents to my my current family. I've had great coworkers, colleagues,
great friends, and you know, I think I think that's
been a real blessing for me.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Wow, growing forward, what do you foresee? Because I mean,
we are a changing nation, but we have to have
that sure foot and often sometimes wonder if you know,
we're not supposed to see our footprints in the sand
because somebody else is caring us.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, well you're you're exactly right about that.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
But I think that I think that, you know, I
think the country is going through this kind of metamorphosis
and I think it's uh, we're seeing some destructive results
from that and some of the violence that we've seen.
We're also seeing people began to get motivated and kind
of spiritually awakened and realize that you know that if
(08:28):
they if they, if they reach that, there are a
lot of people have the same thing in common with
them that want to be positive, They want to do
something good, They want to have a real community and
a real family, and I think we're seeing a rebirth
of that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So I'm optimistic, yeah, because people are finally speaking up.
But my big thing is that I want them to
do speak up. I get it, ask the question, say something,
but now let's activate it and let's get more people
involved in your community.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think that's right, and I think that's what people
are doing. I think they've been looking for that opportunity
and that affirmation and that company. You know, it's like
people one of the great things that Charlie Kirk did
on there, and there are a lot of very very
very good friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And one of the great things that he did early
on the Turning Point.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I mean, forget about all the big rallies and things
like that, but when he was just starting and starting
these Turning Point chapters, and you know from scratch.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Is he was.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
He was giving people who felt isolated and discriminated against
and lonely and confused. He was giving them hope, and
he was giving them friends and colleagues, letting them know that, hey,
you are not in this by yourself. There are other
people who feel like you. There are other people who
are committed to the same things that you are. We're
(09:50):
getting them together. And he did that with the chapters,
and then he took the events and he brought the
chapters together. And I was there early on to see
those events and see the fact that those young people
got there and what the end, the energy that they
got from each other and the confidence then to go
back and build it at their own schools.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And and now you're just seeing that explode, that whole
that whole movement exploded.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And I give Charlie Kirk the credit.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I do, yeah, because one of the things that I
picked on picked up on very early was the fact
that he sat with us. He didn't stand up there
behind a podium all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Go blah blah.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
He sat with us, And that to me was the
image of Christ saying, I am with you in this moment.
I sit down with me, so I can sit down
with them.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's right here. They never talk down to anyone, no,
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Uh. It was a great people person, you know, always
always had a smile on his face and tough guy.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Now is a tough guy, which he needed to be.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But uh, but but but also a very kind person
and somebody who really did just just want to help,
and he summoned the energy every day to do the
best that he could.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You're living right there or you're staying right there in
Memphis right now. So I mean the whole nation is
watching Memphis because well it hit the headlines last week.
So therefore, I mean when you when you stare out
from Memphis, what are you seeing compared to what we're
getting through well the media.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You know, I think I think almost all big cities
have have some of the same problems in common. I
think I think Memphis, uh has suffered for lack of leadership,
and I think that we haven't had a big company
move their headquarters here in a long time, and it's
(11:44):
just got it's gotten stale, and that staleness kind of
leads to big problems. And I think I think we're
taking the first step. I know that the you know,
the mayors of all these big cities. When President Trumpson's
then kind of the federal uh, you know, the law
enforcement folks in the National Guard to help with with.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
With order and peace.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Uh, the mayors generally are against it because they're threatened
them because they think their constituents don't want that, and
you know, what they're finding out.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I think what we're finding out here.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Is that that that it helps, it helps these mayors,
and now I think they're beginning to be smart enough
to go, hey, maybe I'll maybe I'll get a board
and take credit for the fact that we've turned our
community around.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And I think that's what it's going to take.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's going to take people seeing that this is possible
and that we were all in it together. We can
all do our part. But you know, it's early here
as far as that effort is concerned. But I'm hearing
I'm hearing that they're going to be here for a
year and so that's uh, that's a lot of time
to get career criminals off the street and return things
(12:55):
to some sense of normalcy.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Wow, So what has to come first? Forgiveness or empathy?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's a great one. Does it matter? No?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
No, no, just make them both work together, I think.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Wow, where can people go to find out more about
what you're doing? Jeff and everybody else who is part
of your group as well as you are expanding because
I would love to see you guys come to Charlotte
and really work with the teens and the young adults
in this area as well as well as the older adults.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
My god, we need some help too.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah. Well, you know they can. You know, they can
find me on the internet.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I got two or three different organizations, so it's not
that hard and I can reach out and you know,
we're doing everything that we can.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Please come back to this show anytime in the future.
The door is always going to be open for you.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay? Likewise, take care it
Jeff, I can't thank you enough for your commitment to
the future of not only this nation, but the future
of their nation as well as everybody grows forward, and
you are so committed to helping people reach forward and
find trust, faith as well as leadership.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Thank you, Thank you for saying that. I appreciate that
very much.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Well, the journey can't be easy, I mean, perseverance has
got to be tested inside your soul every day. How
do you pull from somewhere to keep that vision growing?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, it's a great question, you know. I consider myself very,
very fortunate in the you know, from really the beginning
of my career practically, I've been lucky enough to be
involved and you know, causes and things and companies that
do generally good things for people, and you know that
(00:54):
to have that kind of honor.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
You know, it keeps me going.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You know, when you can really see when you've got
a team and you're able to achieve things that that
you actually get to see make a difference, it just
wants you. It just keeps you going further and wanting
to do more. So I think that's been really.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
To be that path for young adults.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I mean, because there's so many young adults when you
sit down with them and ask them what their future
is or what are they doing in their present place
of now, especially when it comes to community work, you
get the shrug shoulders or you get I don't know,
and I just I'm so inspired by you because you
have figured out a way to say, well, let's go
figure it out, let's let's let's go work together as
a team, as a family.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, you know, I have to be honest and say,
you know, when I was, when I was you know,
before I was started by company, I was twenty four,
I didn't exactly know either, So there's always time. And
when I speak to the young people or young aspiring entrepreneurs,
I'm always pretty quick to tell them you don't have
to have it all figured out right now, you know,
just just so generally, what you think will will make
(02:04):
you satisfied, that that will motivate you, that will inspire you,
and keep looking, you know, keep looking and and don't settle.
So you know, that's kind of that's kind of been
my approach.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I think, well, I'm seeing that a lot lately, where
people are settling when it comes to leadership and they think, hey,
I'm going to do it this time, and then next
week I'm going to change my mind. I'm going to
change my mind. I mean, that's one of the things
that I learned from my pastor Steven Ferdick at Elevation.
He says, well, you know, you stay here in this church.
This is where you need to be. You need to
be here, and I think more people need that anchor,
and you provide that support where it's like, I'm not
going anywhere else. Jeff's got the way.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Well, I hope that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And again, I've been very fortunate to have some amazing
people kind of hook their start at where I was going,
and we've we've we've achieved quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And there's there's always more to do.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
What is in your daily plan in the way of
making sure that a you've got to get people to
you or you're going to them, I mean, because I
mean there's got to be so many maps going in
every direction and you've got to remain strong.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, you know, it's you know, the the as I
tell people, the list never ends. You know, you never
make it for the list, and uh, there's there's always
there's always more that you can do and again, I've
been in a position where there's a lot of opportunity,
not not necessarily financially at this point, but just opportunity
(03:28):
to do new things and to make a difference.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
One of the things I do a lot of research,
and one of the things that I really dove into
was the fact that are people in fear today, especially
young adults. And the answer that I got in all
the research that I did it was like, they're not
in fear, They're.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Just in doubt.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And it's like, ooh, ooh, are you feeling the same thing?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You know?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I think that, you know, I think we're in a
time where because young people are so connected, you know,
there's social media, and I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
The news is now, right, there's not a news cycle.
The cycle is now. And I think that the just the.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
The being in touch with some of the issues that
that that we face and the things that happen every
day and some of the challenges and you know, some
of the things. This whole come this whole situation where
we've got this political violence, it's becoming more and more acceptable.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
We're becoming numb to it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That I think that that's then you've got the whole
spector of AI, and we're now beginning to see that
AI really does is going to affect opportunities and jobs,
and so.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I think it's a it's a tough time for young people.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I you know, I sympathize it's a tough time, but
there's also great opportunity and you have to be able
to balance thus, to understand what the concerns are, try
to deal with them, but also always keep your eyes
open to the opportunities.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Exim So then you as well as your company and
everybody that you surround yourself with, how do you give
that support to those who are I don't want to
use the word lost, but they are.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
They are. I can see it and I can feel it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, well, I think that that, you know, trying to
put people in a position where they can be successful,
where they can use given talents and their interests.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
To you to commit themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
You know, when they when you get them in that situation,
they're generally they're often running, and then you've just got
to kind of keep it between the lines and keep
encouraging them. And I think I'm very big on recognition
and people. Everybody within a company or an organization has
an important job to do. And it doesn't matter at
what level it exists as far as the structure the
(05:46):
org chart. Everybody makes a difference. And if you can,
if you can really not just you know, not be
manipulative and tell people, yeah, you're important. But if you
really believe that, and if you look for what they're
doing and acknowledge it and recognize it and reinforce it,
then it keeps them, I think, inspired to not only
(06:08):
do a good job at what they're doing, but to
look to the next big thing.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You, in my heart, I just felt like that you
just said to me that you are a listener, that
you will listen and if they do find something that is,
you know, that they don't agree with, you'll say, well,
let's talk about that. I mean you it's like you
got a problem, let's talk. We're not going to argue,
We're just going to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah. I think that's I think that's a great approach.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And you know, I've never been one to think that
I had all the answers, and uh, you know, sometimes
sometimes the answers to your to your to the to
the issues or the impediments that you face in your journey. Uh,
you know, sometimes other people have a better idea than you,
And I've never been arrogant enough to think that I
had all the good ideas. So I think giving people
(06:54):
that opportunity to participate in decision making, taking their inputs seriously,
no matter where they are in the organization, creates a
kind of egalitarian energy that I think is just It
drives great organization.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Please do not move. We'll be right back with Jeff Webb. Hey,
thanks for coming back to the conversation. We're back with
Jeff Webber. Jeff, you give, give, give, give, gives so much.
How are you replenishing your heart? Because I mean that
when you give, I mean it's got to come back somehow,
some way.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well again, you know, I've been fortunate enough to, you know,
to have great anchors in my life, my family, from
my parents to my my current family. I've had great coworkers, colleagues,
great friends, and you know, I think I think that's
been a real blessing for me.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Wow, growing forward, what do you foresee? Because I mean,
we are a changing nation, but we have to have
that sure foot and often sometimes wonder if you know,
we're not supposed to see our footprints in the sand
because somebody else is caring us.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, well you're you're exactly right about that.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
But I think that I think that, you know, I
think the country is going through this kind of metamorphosis
and I think it's uh, we're seeing some destructive results
from that and some of the violence that we've seen.
We're also seeing people began to get motivated and kind
of spiritually awakened and realize that you know that if
(08:28):
they if they, if they reach that, there are a
lot of people have the same thing in common with
them that want to be positive, They want to do
something good, They want to have a real community and
a real family, and I think we're seeing a rebirth
of that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So I'm optimistic, yeah, because people are finally speaking up.
But my big thing is that I want them to
do speak up. I get it, ask the question, say something,
but now let's activate it and let's get more people
involved in your community.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think that's right, and I think that's what people
are doing. I think they've been looking for that opportunity
and that affirmation and that company. You know, it's like
people one of the great things that Charlie Kirk did
on there, and there are a lot of very very
very good friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And one of the great things that he did early
on the Turning Point.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I mean, forget about all the big rallies and things
like that, but when he was just starting and starting
these Turning Point chapters, and you know from scratch.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Is he was.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
He was giving people who felt isolated and discriminated against
and lonely and confused. He was giving them hope, and
he was giving them friends and colleagues, letting them know that, hey,
you are not in this by yourself. There are other
people who feel like you. There are other people who
are committed to the same things that you are. We're
(09:50):
getting them together. And he did that with the chapters,
and then he took the events and he brought the
chapters together. And I was there early on to see
those events and see the fact that those young people
got there and what the end, the energy that they
got from each other and the confidence then to go
back and build it at their own schools.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And and now you're just seeing that explode, that whole
that whole movement exploded.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And I give Charlie Kirk the credit.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I do, yeah, because one of the things that I
picked on picked up on very early was the fact
that he sat with us. He didn't stand up there
behind a podium all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Go blah blah.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
He sat with us, And that to me was the
image of Christ saying, I am with you in this moment.
I sit down with me, so I can sit down
with them.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's right here. They never talk down to anyone, no,
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Uh. It was a great people person, you know, always
always had a smile on his face and tough guy.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Now is a tough guy, which he needed to be.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But uh, but but but also a very kind person
and somebody who really did just just want to help,
and he summoned the energy every day to do the
best that he could.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You're living right there or you're staying right there in
Memphis right now. So I mean the whole nation is
watching Memphis because well it hit the headlines last week.
So therefore, I mean when you when you stare out
from Memphis, what are you seeing compared to what we're
getting through well the media.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You know, I think I think almost all big cities
have have some of the same problems in common. I
think I think Memphis, uh has suffered for lack of leadership,
and I think that we haven't had a big company
move their headquarters here in a long time, and it's
(11:44):
just got it's gotten stale, and that staleness kind of
leads to big problems. And I think I think we're
taking the first step. I know that the you know,
the mayors of all these big cities. When President Trumpson's
then kind of the federal uh, you know, the law
enforcement folks in the National Guard to help with with.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
With order and peace.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Uh, the mayors generally are against it because they're threatened
them because they think their constituents don't want that, and
you know, what they're finding out.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I think what we're finding out here.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Is that that that it helps, it helps these mayors,
and now I think they're beginning to be smart enough
to go, hey, maybe I'll maybe I'll get a board
and take credit for the fact that we've turned our
community around.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And I think that's what it's going to take.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's going to take people seeing that this is possible
and that we were all in it together. We can
all do our part. But you know, it's early here
as far as that effort is concerned. But I'm hearing
I'm hearing that they're going to be here for a
year and so that's uh, that's a lot of time
to get career criminals off the street and return things
(12:55):
to some sense of normalcy.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Wow, So what has to come first? Forgiveness or empathy?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's a great one. Does it matter? No?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
No, no, just make them both work together, I think.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Wow, where can people go to find out more about
what you're doing? Jeff and everybody else who is part
of your group as well as you are expanding because
I would love to see you guys come to Charlotte
and really work with the teens and the young adults
in this area as well as well as the older adults.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
My god, we need some help too.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah. Well, you know they can. You know, they can
find me on the internet.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I got two or three different organizations, so it's not
that hard and I can reach out and you know,
we're doing everything that we can.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Please come back to this show anytime in the future.
The door is always going to be open for you.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay? Likewise, take care it
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