December 16, 2025 • 27 mins
Welcome back to the studio. This is My Day of Play, where you’re taken into the real events and actions of how it happens long before the process of editing or cleaning up. The original purpose of these episodes was to give my broadcasting students something to edit, to practice with and to call their own. Then I realized that you are just as important. Share the reality of how it really went. We begin things with Merle R Saferstein, author and legacy educator. The creator of the series Wisdom of the Century. And we’ll wrap things up with Gabriel Reilich with the motivation and voice behind the book Upworthy Good People. 101 unforgettable stories handpicked by Natl Geographic. This is My Day of Play. Completely unedited in the way of meeting the wizard behind the curtain.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It really is about sharing stories. But the question is,
as the listener of podcasts, what kind of story are
you willing to digest today in this moment of now.
That's why we give you a choice on Ero dot net,
Arroe dot net. Enjoy your exploration. Hey, what's going on?
Welcome back to the studio. This is my day of
play where you're taking into the really vincent actions of
(00:22):
how it goes down before the process of editing or
cleaning up. The original purpose of these episodes was to
give my broadcasting students something to edit, to practice with,
and to call their own. And then I realized, wait
a second, you're just as important as they are. Why
not share the reality with you as well. We begin
things with Merrill R. Safferstein, author and legacy educator, the
(00:45):
creator of the series Wisdom of the Century. Then we're
going to wrap things up with Gabrielle Rileck, the motivation
and voice behind the book Upworthy, Good People, one hundred
and one unforgettable Stories handpicked by National Geographic. This is
my day of play, completely unedited, in the way of
meeting the wizard behind the curtain.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hello, there you are. How are you doing today?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I'm great? Thank you. How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Absolutely fantastic congratulations on this brand new adventure. I'm so
proud of you for coming up with this idea because
I believe in the mantra share your story or someone
will write it for you. You're allowing people to share their story.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah. So, actually, with my friend's idea, she wanted to
interview one hundred people over one hundred, and I said,
I don't think we'll find one hundred people over one hundred,
but I know we can find ninety over ninety. So
that's how it all began.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Wow, So how did you you'll get into their lifestyle?
Because I mean, you just don't knock on someone's door,
just call them up. Hey, Johnny, let's talk about life.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Right. So what we did was we put the word
out to friends and community leaders that we were looking
for people ninety and over, and we started getting phone
calls from people saying, I have an aunt, my neighbor,
and so we would. Sandra, who was the actual founder
of the project, called the people and spoke to them,
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set up an interview, and then I went to speak
to most of the majority of the people in Sandra
then when spoke to all the Hispanic speaking people, and
then she took some others as well, and we ended
up with a waiting list. By the time we were done,
there were more people than we could handle.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Listeners need to understand your roots in this, because I mean,
the last time that you and I talked it was
for a legacy journal, and so this isn't something that's
new to you that you truly do believe that we
all have something in us that we can share with tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Absolutely, I really feel that we all want to know
we matter, and one way to do that is to
be conscious of how we were living our lives, because
I do believe that how we live our life becomes
our legacy. This is not new to me. I worked
with Holocaust survivors for twenty six years, and I knew
how important their legacy was. And in this case, one
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of the things that was really important to us was
having diversity of the Florida community. And so we worked
really hard to get a diverse cross section of culture
and we have twenty different countries of origin represented in
the book. So I'm really very proud of that. A
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lot of people who you know, because we're in Florida,
who left South America, Cuba, because of dictatorship and came here.
We have some Holocaust survivors, we have African Americans, we
have a really wonderful cross section of people.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
To have such an open heart like that, I mean,
the reward has got to be that every nationality is
going to come to you to say, you're teaching me
how to do this with my own family.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I hope, so, I hope, so I do too. One
of our goals was to get their wisdom. So it
wasn't just their story. We certainly cared about their story
and wanted to know as much as we could about that,
but we really were looking for words of wisdom. What
is it that you can share with us in future generations.
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And so the way we've done the book is we
have every person is photographed by Pepei, who was a
professional photographer, so he came along to He was actually
the one who met everyone. He came to every interview,
photographed them in their environment. And then we have a
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page where half the page is about their story, you know,
whatever we could fit in, and then the other half
of that page is a list of words of wisdom.
And then there's a third page where we have just
one large quote from each person. So it's the book
is the book's big, three hundred pages, weighs five pounds.
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It's really a beautiful coffee take or book.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
What I hope is that listeners get the book and
then they sit down with a yellow notebook or even
create their own journal, and what they do is is
that they write down what they felt in each story
and to seeing, you know, and find out how we
can replant that wisdom inside their journey. And if they
can do it through writing, that's a great first step.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
What a wonderful idea. Er I'm going to pass that along.
I love that idea. Well.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I've always believed that an old man is not a
wise man. A wise man is someone who has learned
something in life and teaches others how to do it
so they don't have to go through.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It exactly exactly. And you know, I think more and
more we don't necessarily a culture doesn't necessarily value the elderly,
and there's so much to learn and to sit at
the feet of an older person and learn from them,
it's such a precious, really a precious gift.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Did you come across anything. I always tell people that, yeah, okay,
I'm sixty two years old, but mentally I'm seventeen, and
that's you know, did you run into one hundred year
old people that even though you know the calendar says
your one hundred plus, I see that you're still really
only forty one.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
That's a great question. Just today I read an article
where someone an older man, well, actually he's eighty, and
I'm going to be eighty this week, so I shouldn't
say older in that respect. But a man who gets
old is one who wakes up and has nothing to
look forward to, nothing to do, And I thought that
was really interesting. So the people we interviewed were really
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a huge cross section of careers of the way they
live their life. All of them talked about connection, the
importance of connection, and I think that was a driving force.
I do believe that these elderly people have so much
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wisdom in them. And it was interesting for me because
the team, so there are four of us on the team.
Two of them are in their early forties and one
is late fifties, and then I'm almost almost eighty, and yeah,
I was just going to say, so for me, the
life lessons weren't necessarily what I was learning because so
much of what they said, is things that I already know.
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But what was for me so important was the inspiration
that these people are living full lives and still going
and doing. There's a woman ninety five who was going
every day to a senior center to serve elderly people.
She was serving people who were younger than her. Five
days a week she went to serve lunch to these people.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
The hottest thing that's on the web right now is
the Dick Van Dyke video ninety nine years old and
he's dancing with Coldplay. If you have not seen it yet,
I just hope that Dick van Dyke finds your book
and he gets to be a part of your next volume,
because I mean, it's because this can't be just a
one time shot.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
This it's got to be a continuation.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I understand that we had a woman who was from
Columbia and Pipe's from Columbia, and as I was interviewing her,
she was talking about how she loves to dance ninety
s at the time she was ninety two, and how
COVID really stunted that because she couldn't go out dancing
like she used to. And Pepe said, do you do
the salsa? She said, yes, I do. I love the salsa.
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He said, will you dance with me? She went in
the bedroom, got her dancing shoes. Pepe turned down a salsa.
I videotaped them and it was so amazing. It was
just fabulous. I mean, here she was, ninety two, dancing,
singing happy. It's pretty beautiful.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
One of the things that we've bumped into as a
generation is the fact that nobody is writing their story.
They're texting, they're doing things on social media, and a
book like this, I hope, is going to help grow
someone's imagination in the way of saying, because I have
nothing for my mom and dad, I really don't. I've
only got my interpretation of my journey with them, but
I'm outside of that. They didn't leave me anything, and
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a book like this is one of those that kind
of I hope inspires people to say, leave something for
those that are in front of you that you will
never meet.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Absolutely, in my legacy classes, one of the things I
always talk about is how not only are we doing
it for the other people, for the next generation, but
we do it for ourselves. It's really a gift we
give ourselves to do any kind of work like them
any kind of legacy work, reviewing your life, writing your
life story, and if I remember correctly, you've certainly written yours.
(09:38):
You've done lots of writing.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Correct Yeah, I've been a daily writer for thirty one years.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's all based on one thing.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I would ask my mother something and she would say,
I don't remember, son, I don't remember, and I thought,
oh my god, Okay, I'll probably be there one day too.
It's in the book because it's all written down.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
WHOA good for you?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, no, good for you?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And it reminds me of our first time having a conversation,
how we we really kind of got into that conversation
that there is a legacy. It doesn't mean you have
to be famous. But to your family, you're famous. To
your neighborhood, you brought something to them exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And you know just what we do and who we are,
whether it's with community, even strangers. You know, we can
leave a legacy with a stranger. We can change a
person's life by just making one comment to them. That's
something that no one's ever said to them before or
thought about. So I really believe strongly that our impact
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goes all around the world, you know, just one person
touching one life to touch another life.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
True, so true. What was it like to ask the questions?
I mean, did you have to do some show prep
or did you go there as a listener and then
just question the answers?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So no prep, really no prep at all. I came
up with about twenty twenty five questions, and I was
amazed at how I mean, these are ultimately people and
they answered them. Every once in a while someone would
say that's a tough question. I'd say, I know it is.
But I'll just tell you a little story of what
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happened to me. My granddaughter while I was doing these interviews,
was a senior in high school and her she had
this assignment where she had to go into a nursing
home and interview people. So she called me up and
she said, I have questions, and I said I have questions.
So I gave her all the questions, and then she
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called me about a week later and said, now before
we can go interview these people, we have to interview
a relative. So can I interview you? And I said,
of course. So she started asking me my questions, and
it was shocking to me. Because I mean I had
been asking these I asked the woman one hundred and
four and a half years old. She had every question,
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she had her listed, and I mean we did at
trap them at all. Bella was asking me questions and
I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe. This is
a challenge. This is a challenge. So just that alone
was so admirable to think that they could just come
up with things and questions like what was the most
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significant event in the century for you? What changes did
you experience? What is love mean to you? I'm just
all kinds of a variety of questions, and there was
no maybe I had two people who didn't answer one question,
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but pretty much, and it's that's pretty good. Well.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I can't imagine how they redefined the word love as
they went through their decades.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, no, kidding, changes, it does change. Yeah. I mean
the one thing I will say is when I asked
them the question about, you know, whether they attribute their
longevity to I would say that half of them said
genetics and half of them said lifestyle. You know that
I exercise, that I have a purpose, I stay busy,
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I'm connected to people. Connection is just such a huge
thing for them such a huge thing.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Interesting you say that, because one of my essential jobs
is that I wanted to be with real people, and
I thought the only place where I can really be
with real people in all different levels was to get
a job at a grocery store. I learned so much
from the older generation. They are so they're funny, their
storylines are just amazing. And you learn about World War Two,
and you learn about the Korean War, and you learn
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if you would just take the time to listen, and
that's what this book is. It is the art of listening.
This book is, it is, it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Is, and there's so much to learn. I mean, every
page has some little to do. We always say, if
one person reads something that will change their life, then
we will have served their purpose. And I do believe it.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I call something like that, dear future reader, because they're
going to come across this book sometime in the future,
and because you took the time to plant that thought
which originated in them.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Look at that. That's three different people you've now reached.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
That's true. That's true. It's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I would be excited too, especially when because I would
love to see the feedback how people are going to
be reaching out to you once they get this book
and it changes their personal lives.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I hope that happens. I hope that we hear from them.
You know, one of the things I do want to
say is that we have worked with this team now
for three years, and I've I've had a lot of
teamwork in my life. I've done a lot of teamwork.
I have never worked with a team like this. Everyone
is so conscientious and caring and meticulous and does his
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or own thing. No one walks in with an ego.
If we have an issue, we defer to the person
who's the expert in the in the field. It has
been remarkable and I think that that, above all else,
makes this all the most special. I mean, we know,
we look at the book and we say, we know
what it took as a team to create this.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Amazing And that's that's an art there itself, because you've
got to learn how to work with a team, trust
a team, build with a team, and replenish.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
The team right exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Where can people go to find this amazing book?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And here there's one thing it's in my heart right
now that I got to say during this as we
close out the year twenty twenty four, and we and
everybody has to have their new Year's resolutions.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
This is one of those books.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's not a self help book, but it is a
change of lifebooks. And I think that that's how they're
going to change their lives in the brand new year
by taking this book in.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I hope, so thank you. That's beautiful. Wisdom of the
Century dot com is where you can find everything, including
all ninety pictures of the individuals, so they are on
there and lots of quotes, and so that's the best
place it was in methcentury dot com.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Did I read correctly that these photographs are also on
public display.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yes, So what happened was when we went to decide
where we were going to have the book launch, which
is this coming Thursday evening. One of the places we
went to is a History Miami Museum in downtown Miami,
and as we were talking to them about doing the
launch there, they were walking us around the museum and
there was an exhibit room and Sandra and I looked
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at each other and said, hmmm, maybe we can do
an exhibit. And so they are actually right now finishing
the installation of it. It is what I saw yesterday
was just beautiful. So it's all ninety pictures, twelve by
twelve portraits of them. And then we have a seventeen
minute video that plays behind the scenes stuff. But we
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also on our website we have a three minute trailer
that has a little bit of that, you know where
it shows some of the things that we did, you know,
just us with with some of the people that we interviewed.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Wow, one more time. What is the website and where
can they get the book?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Okay, the website is Wisdom of the Century dot com
and we are selling the book on the website, so
we can they can order it there. We eventually will
go on Amazon, but for now we're just doing just
through the website. We just want to keep track.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Well, you got to come back to the show anytime
in the future. You knew how to do it. You
reached out to me and you said, hey, look a
couple of years ago we talked, let's do it again,
and that's exactly what needs to happen again.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Okay, thank you, thank you, Errol, well terrific.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
You'll be brilliant today.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Okay, Okay, have a great one, and thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Please do not move Gabrielle Reyley is coming up next. Hey,
thanks for coming back to my day of play. Let's
get into that unedited talk with Gabrielle Releck. Hello, good
morning everybody. How are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I'm also how about yourself?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Absolutely fantastic, glad to hear it.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Of course, I'm calling with gabriel Reilik and Lucia and Nell,
the author of Good People, for your interview today at
ninet fifty.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Looking forward to this, I gotta ask, are you going
to er it?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It should be this weekend? Right now, I'm in an
RV inside this beautiful park.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Oh that sounds awesome, except.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's been raining for three days. But you know there's
beauty and rain.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
There is indeed, or only for me, sir, I'll get
you connected with the author.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Thank you, thank you, my pleasure.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You will now be placed into the conference.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Please go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Good morning you too, How are you doing?
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
How are you wow?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
To be with you today is such a blessing, And
the reason being is because in this world of so
many clouded stories and paths and walkways, you're giving us
a great ray of light. You always have been with
upworthy and now here comes to this book. Oh my god,
what you have done with this book is amazing.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You know, it's it's done to me. It's it's done
in a short story format. And yet you have little
little easter eggs in there, such as the spotlights that
you sit there and you go, wow, there's my affirmation
for the day.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah, we wanted to pay homage to, you know, the
comments that came in on our Instagram dage, and so
we peppered some of those as they as they appeared
throughout the book, and they're they're delightful to read.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
How difficult was it to write the book or was
it one that just kind of fell into your lapping
you went, oh my god, we should have been doing
this a while ago.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Well, you know, it was an undertaking to gather over
a hundred stories, true stories that you know, are really
you know, hit deep. But it was easy in the
sense that there were so many of them out there,
so many people wanting to share experiences that meant a
lot to them. And yeah, so that that part was
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easy to let people tell their stories and for us
to preserve them and share them with the world. And
it was an on that people were trustworthy and trusting
us to do that.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well, look at how you're affecting people. I mean, even
Cheryl Crow said that, you know, as she was stepping
into the world of social media. She says that you
were the very first people that she met up with
on Instagram, and she she keeps checking back in because
you're that jolt of energy.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, totally, yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Sorry, what I think, you know, I think what upwardy
provides it's sort of a counterbalance to what you typically
see on social media, a lot of which can be
really overwhelming or really dark or paint humanity and kind
of a negative light to come across our page and
come across our content. That's giving them something that reminds
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them that there's actually so much beauty and goodness in
the world as well. These things are happening on an
everyday basis. They just don't typically command headlines.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Well, do you think that's because we've become blind to
the good things Until you pick up a book such
a this. I mean, you sit in here looking at
one Last Wave and you get into this story and
all of a sudden, you just you just you can
feel the positive energy.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I think that there is a lot of attention that
is given to the more dramatic forces out there. I
mean a lot of times that's you know, things that
make people angry or get people fighting, or you know,
the most difficult stuff happening in the world. But you
know what, the drama of true human experiences, of deep emotions,
of people helping each other is also incredibly compelling, and
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sometimes it can be a little bit of a harder
story to tell because one of the easiest things in
the world to do is to make people angry, and
in an attention based economy, I think a lot of
people go for that. But it's just as you know,
rousing and is important and deep to lift people up,
to amaze them, to hit people, you know, and emotions
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that are you know, elevating as opposed to anger introducing,
and so we try to focus on listing people up.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
This is one of those books that's going to be
what we in radio call a water cooler conversation book.
People are going to be it's going to become part
of the conversation and people can say what book was that,
and then all of a sudden and then you know,
it gets around that quickly.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
You know, I think there's a reason for that. I
think these stories stick with you because they hit you
right in the fields.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
As the youth would.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Say, I'm aging myself, But you know, it hits on
these emotions or these nostalgic memories that everyone can relate to.
Everyone can remember the teacher that changed their life. Everyone
can remember a friend that picks them up when they
were at their lowest. It's not just reading about someone
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else's nice story and saying, you know, on my merry way,
it's saying, wow, that reminds me of someone in my
life that had this impact on me, and it helps
reshape the way you see people, on the way you.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
See the world. See.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I've always believed that Christmas should be celebrated every day
because people do get really super kind, you know, right
before the holidays and as the holidays are happening, And
a book like this says, you know, you can do
this every day. You can be kind every day. All
you have to do is just make the concerted effort.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Yeah, And it's a great time to be reminded of that.
In particular, you know, the outsized impact that a small
act can have on folks, and you never know what
that interaction that you're having with someone. What that kind
of word that you say, or that compliment or that
little gesture that you, you know, share with a stranger
to lift them up, or how that's going to make
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them feel both in that moment but also throughout their lives.
You know, there's so many stories in here that are
decades old, and small things that just people didn't never
forgot because it happened at the right time. And so
I think it's a wonderfully empowering thing to know, especially
during a stressful time in the holidays and what can
be a lonely time for people, to know that we
all have that power to, you know, do something that's
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going to stay with someone in a positive way for
their entire lives.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And it doesn't have to be of materialistic value. And
the reason why I bring that up is because I've
always believed and I really do try to lead this
path in the way of people are not happy to
see me, they're happy that I recognize them. I always
try to recognize somebody. It makes their day.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
M hm.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yeah, it doesn't love that. I love that attitude and energy,
and I'm going to be adopting.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
That as well.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
From now, but you know it's so true. It could
be these little innocuous gestures that you don't even think
too much about, like saying, oh, I love your haircut.
You know, we have a story in the book about
women being complemented by a group of girls saying I
love your haircut. And she ended up just having recovered
from cancer and her keynote treatment and her hair was
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just starting to grow back. That meant way more to
her than these girls ever would have even thought about.
You know, So the little things holding the door open,
letting someone cut in front of you while you're driving,
you just have no idea to get the point how
that can actually have an outlasting and pat them.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That's so funny that you say that about when we're driving.
That's so funny that you say that about about driving,
because it's one of those things where you know, I'll
sit there and I'll say, Oka, I'm gonna let this
one in because I know somewhere down the road someone's
gonna let me in.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And it's it's a game. It really is a game.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Absolutely, So, Now where did the book idea come from?
Because you know how we creative people are, we could
be in a mall, or we could be having dinner
all of a sudden, because you get hit with this
idea we need to write a book and it needs
to be about this.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah, well, you know much, and I spend a lot
of time on social media. We run a giant handle
at Along. There's some folks who help us keep that running,
and we were just seeing so many beautiful stories that
were being shared by the people that were following us,
no experiences that they had, and so we wanted to
share those with the world.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's more than just just Instagram, is it not.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's upoorly dot com, which is the
editorial operation, and we're on other platforms as well. They're
all dedicated to sharing the best of humanity of the world.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I'm shocked that Hulu or even Netflix hasn't approached you
to share these stories in you know, moving pictures ways.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Yeah, I mean if you're out there listening and Netflix executives,
there's a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, because a lot of people don't understand that once
you open your heart and you clear things out and
you start helping other people, it's not that you become
addicted to it. You just want to do it because
you see the enlightenment in their lives, and then it
helps you with your own personal life.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Yeah, there's you know, there's a huge benefit on doing
an active kindnesses that goes well beyond just the recipient
and actually feels good. It raises oxytocin, the hormone links
to social connective social connectiveness that lowers your heart rate,
et cetera. And it also, this is my favorite, is
it impacts the observer of the active kindness as well.
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Studies have shown that if you see someone doing an
active kindness, you are more likely to go out and
do that for someone else yourself.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I call that the silent watcher, those that observe things
and they change because they saw something, because they took
the time to step back and watch the world.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Man, you gotta come back to this show anytime in
the future. Ten minutes with you is not enough time, guys, it's.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
To talk about this.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Will you'd be brilliant today? Okay?
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Likewise, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Thank you.
It really is about sharing stories. But the question is,
as the listener of podcasts, what kind of story are
you willing to digest today in this moment of now.
That's why we give you a choice on Ero dot net,
Arroe dot net. Enjoy your exploration. Hey, what's going on?
Welcome back to the studio. This is my day of
play where you're taking into the really vincent actions of
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how it goes down before the process of editing or
cleaning up. The original purpose of these episodes was to
give my broadcasting students something to edit, to practice with,
and to call their own. And then I realized, wait
a second, you're just as important as they are. Why
not share the reality with you as well. We begin
things with Merrill R. Safferstein, author and legacy educator, the
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creator of the series Wisdom of the Century. Then we're
going to wrap things up with Gabrielle Rileck, the motivation
and voice behind the book Upworthy, Good People, one hundred
and one unforgettable Stories handpicked by National Geographic. This is
my day of play, completely unedited, in the way of
meeting the wizard behind the curtain.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hello, there you are. How are you doing today?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I'm great? Thank you. How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Absolutely fantastic congratulations on this brand new adventure. I'm so
proud of you for coming up with this idea because
I believe in the mantra share your story or someone
will write it for you. You're allowing people to share their story.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah. So, actually, with my friend's idea, she wanted to
interview one hundred people over one hundred, and I said,
I don't think we'll find one hundred people over one hundred,
but I know we can find ninety over ninety. So
that's how it all began.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Wow, So how did you you'll get into their lifestyle?
Because I mean, you just don't knock on someone's door,
just call them up. Hey, Johnny, let's talk about life.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Right. So what we did was we put the word
out to friends and community leaders that we were looking
for people ninety and over, and we started getting phone
calls from people saying, I have an aunt, my neighbor,
and so we would. Sandra, who was the actual founder
of the project, called the people and spoke to them,
(02:13):
set up an interview, and then I went to speak
to most of the majority of the people in Sandra
then when spoke to all the Hispanic speaking people, and
then she took some others as well, and we ended
up with a waiting list. By the time we were done,
there were more people than we could handle.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Listeners need to understand your roots in this, because I mean,
the last time that you and I talked it was
for a legacy journal, and so this isn't something that's
new to you that you truly do believe that we
all have something in us that we can share with tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Absolutely, I really feel that we all want to know
we matter, and one way to do that is to
be conscious of how we were living our lives, because
I do believe that how we live our life becomes
our legacy. This is not new to me. I worked
with Holocaust survivors for twenty six years, and I knew
how important their legacy was. And in this case, one
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of the things that was really important to us was
having diversity of the Florida community. And so we worked
really hard to get a diverse cross section of culture
and we have twenty different countries of origin represented in
the book. So I'm really very proud of that. A
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lot of people who you know, because we're in Florida,
who left South America, Cuba, because of dictatorship and came here.
We have some Holocaust survivors, we have African Americans, we
have a really wonderful cross section of people.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
To have such an open heart like that, I mean,
the reward has got to be that every nationality is
going to come to you to say, you're teaching me
how to do this with my own family.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I hope, so, I hope, so I do too. One
of our goals was to get their wisdom. So it
wasn't just their story. We certainly cared about their story
and wanted to know as much as we could about that,
but we really were looking for words of wisdom. What
is it that you can share with us in future generations.
(04:18):
And so the way we've done the book is we
have every person is photographed by Pepei, who was a
professional photographer, so he came along to He was actually
the one who met everyone. He came to every interview,
photographed them in their environment. And then we have a
(04:39):
page where half the page is about their story, you know,
whatever we could fit in, and then the other half
of that page is a list of words of wisdom.
And then there's a third page where we have just
one large quote from each person. So it's the book
is the book's big, three hundred pages, weighs five pounds.
(05:03):
It's really a beautiful coffee take or book.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
What I hope is that listeners get the book and
then they sit down with a yellow notebook or even
create their own journal, and what they do is is
that they write down what they felt in each story
and to seeing, you know, and find out how we
can replant that wisdom inside their journey. And if they
can do it through writing, that's a great first step.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
What a wonderful idea. Er I'm going to pass that along.
I love that idea. Well.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I've always believed that an old man is not a
wise man. A wise man is someone who has learned
something in life and teaches others how to do it
so they don't have to go through.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
It exactly exactly. And you know, I think more and
more we don't necessarily a culture doesn't necessarily value the elderly,
and there's so much to learn and to sit at
the feet of an older person and learn from them,
it's such a precious, really a precious gift.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Did you come across anything. I always tell people that, yeah, okay,
I'm sixty two years old, but mentally I'm seventeen, and
that's you know, did you run into one hundred year
old people that even though you know the calendar says
your one hundred plus, I see that you're still really
only forty one.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
That's a great question. Just today I read an article
where someone an older man, well, actually he's eighty, and
I'm going to be eighty this week, so I shouldn't
say older in that respect. But a man who gets
old is one who wakes up and has nothing to
look forward to, nothing to do, And I thought that
was really interesting. So the people we interviewed were really
(06:34):
a huge cross section of careers of the way they
live their life. All of them talked about connection, the
importance of connection, and I think that was a driving force.
I do believe that these elderly people have so much
(06:57):
wisdom in them. And it was interesting for me because
the team, so there are four of us on the team.
Two of them are in their early forties and one
is late fifties, and then I'm almost almost eighty, and yeah,
I was just going to say, so for me, the
life lessons weren't necessarily what I was learning because so
much of what they said, is things that I already know.
(07:19):
But what was for me so important was the inspiration
that these people are living full lives and still going
and doing. There's a woman ninety five who was going
every day to a senior center to serve elderly people.
She was serving people who were younger than her. Five
days a week she went to serve lunch to these people.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
The hottest thing that's on the web right now is
the Dick Van Dyke video ninety nine years old and
he's dancing with Coldplay. If you have not seen it yet,
I just hope that Dick van Dyke finds your book
and he gets to be a part of your next volume,
because I mean, it's because this can't be just a
one time shot.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
This it's got to be a continuation.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I understand that we had a woman who was from
Columbia and Pipe's from Columbia, and as I was interviewing her,
she was talking about how she loves to dance ninety
s at the time she was ninety two, and how
COVID really stunted that because she couldn't go out dancing
like she used to. And Pepe said, do you do
the salsa? She said, yes, I do. I love the salsa.
(08:26):
He said, will you dance with me? She went in
the bedroom, got her dancing shoes. Pepe turned down a salsa.
I videotaped them and it was so amazing. It was
just fabulous. I mean, here she was, ninety two, dancing,
singing happy. It's pretty beautiful.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
One of the things that we've bumped into as a
generation is the fact that nobody is writing their story.
They're texting, they're doing things on social media, and a
book like this, I hope, is going to help grow
someone's imagination in the way of saying, because I have
nothing for my mom and dad, I really don't. I've
only got my interpretation of my journey with them, but
I'm outside of that. They didn't leave me anything, and
(09:06):
a book like this is one of those that kind
of I hope inspires people to say, leave something for
those that are in front of you that you will
never meet.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Absolutely, in my legacy classes, one of the things I
always talk about is how not only are we doing
it for the other people, for the next generation, but
we do it for ourselves. It's really a gift we
give ourselves to do any kind of work like them
any kind of legacy work, reviewing your life, writing your
life story, and if I remember correctly, you've certainly written yours.
(09:38):
You've done lots of writing.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Correct Yeah, I've been a daily writer for thirty one years.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's all based on one thing.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I would ask my mother something and she would say,
I don't remember, son, I don't remember, and I thought,
oh my god, Okay, I'll probably be there one day too.
It's in the book because it's all written down.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
WHOA good for you?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, no, good for you?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And it reminds me of our first time having a conversation,
how we we really kind of got into that conversation
that there is a legacy. It doesn't mean you have
to be famous. But to your family, you're famous. To
your neighborhood, you brought something to them exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And you know just what we do and who we are,
whether it's with community, even strangers. You know, we can
leave a legacy with a stranger. We can change a
person's life by just making one comment to them. That's
something that no one's ever said to them before or
thought about. So I really believe strongly that our impact
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goes all around the world, you know, just one person
touching one life to touch another life.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
True, so true. What was it like to ask the questions?
I mean, did you have to do some show prep
or did you go there as a listener and then
just question the answers?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So no prep, really no prep at all. I came
up with about twenty twenty five questions, and I was
amazed at how I mean, these are ultimately people and
they answered them. Every once in a while someone would
say that's a tough question. I'd say, I know it is.
But I'll just tell you a little story of what
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happened to me. My granddaughter while I was doing these interviews,
was a senior in high school and her she had
this assignment where she had to go into a nursing
home and interview people. So she called me up and
she said, I have questions, and I said I have questions.
So I gave her all the questions, and then she
(11:33):
called me about a week later and said, now before
we can go interview these people, we have to interview
a relative. So can I interview you? And I said,
of course. So she started asking me my questions, and
it was shocking to me. Because I mean I had
been asking these I asked the woman one hundred and
four and a half years old. She had every question,
(11:56):
she had her listed, and I mean we did at
trap them at all. Bella was asking me questions and
I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe. This is
a challenge. This is a challenge. So just that alone
was so admirable to think that they could just come
up with things and questions like what was the most
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significant event in the century for you? What changes did
you experience? What is love mean to you? I'm just
all kinds of a variety of questions, and there was
no maybe I had two people who didn't answer one question,
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but pretty much, and it's that's pretty good. Well.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I can't imagine how they redefined the word love as
they went through their decades.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, no, kidding, changes, it does change. Yeah. I mean
the one thing I will say is when I asked
them the question about, you know, whether they attribute their
longevity to I would say that half of them said
genetics and half of them said lifestyle. You know that
I exercise, that I have a purpose, I stay busy,
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I'm connected to people. Connection is just such a huge
thing for them such a huge thing.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Interesting you say that, because one of my essential jobs
is that I wanted to be with real people, and
I thought the only place where I can really be
with real people in all different levels was to get
a job at a grocery store. I learned so much
from the older generation. They are so they're funny, their
storylines are just amazing. And you learn about World War Two,
and you learn about the Korean War, and you learn
(13:38):
if you would just take the time to listen, and
that's what this book is. It is the art of listening.
This book is, it is, it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Is, and there's so much to learn. I mean, every
page has some little to do. We always say, if
one person reads something that will change their life, then
we will have served their purpose. And I do believe it.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I call something like that, dear future reader, because they're
going to come across this book sometime in the future,
and because you took the time to plant that thought
which originated in them.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Look at that. That's three different people you've now reached.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
That's true. That's true. It's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I would be excited too, especially when because I would
love to see the feedback how people are going to
be reaching out to you once they get this book
and it changes their personal lives.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I hope that happens. I hope that we hear from them.
You know, one of the things I do want to
say is that we have worked with this team now
for three years, and I've I've had a lot of
teamwork in my life. I've done a lot of teamwork.
I have never worked with a team like this. Everyone
is so conscientious and caring and meticulous and does his
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or own thing. No one walks in with an ego.
If we have an issue, we defer to the person
who's the expert in the in the field. It has
been remarkable and I think that that, above all else,
makes this all the most special. I mean, we know,
we look at the book and we say, we know
what it took as a team to create this.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Amazing And that's that's an art there itself, because you've
got to learn how to work with a team, trust
a team, build with a team, and replenish.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
The team right exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Where can people go to find this amazing book?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And here there's one thing it's in my heart right
now that I got to say during this as we
close out the year twenty twenty four, and we and
everybody has to have their new Year's resolutions.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
This is one of those books.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's not a self help book, but it is a
change of lifebooks. And I think that that's how they're
going to change their lives in the brand new year
by taking this book in.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I hope, so thank you. That's beautiful. Wisdom of the
Century dot com is where you can find everything, including
all ninety pictures of the individuals, so they are on
there and lots of quotes, and so that's the best
place it was in methcentury dot com.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Did I read correctly that these photographs are also on
public display.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yes, So what happened was when we went to decide
where we were going to have the book launch, which
is this coming Thursday evening. One of the places we
went to is a History Miami Museum in downtown Miami,
and as we were talking to them about doing the
launch there, they were walking us around the museum and
there was an exhibit room and Sandra and I looked
(16:29):
at each other and said, hmmm, maybe we can do
an exhibit. And so they are actually right now finishing
the installation of it. It is what I saw yesterday
was just beautiful. So it's all ninety pictures, twelve by
twelve portraits of them. And then we have a seventeen
minute video that plays behind the scenes stuff. But we
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also on our website we have a three minute trailer
that has a little bit of that, you know where
it shows some of the things that we did, you know,
just us with with some of the people that we interviewed.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Wow, one more time. What is the website and where
can they get the book?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Okay, the website is Wisdom of the Century dot com
and we are selling the book on the website, so
we can they can order it there. We eventually will
go on Amazon, but for now we're just doing just
through the website. We just want to keep track.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Well, you got to come back to the show anytime
in the future. You knew how to do it. You
reached out to me and you said, hey, look a
couple of years ago we talked, let's do it again,
and that's exactly what needs to happen again.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Okay, thank you, thank you, Errol, well terrific.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
You'll be brilliant today.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Okay, Okay, have a great one, and thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Please do not move Gabrielle Reyley is coming up next. Hey,
thanks for coming back to my day of play. Let's
get into that unedited talk with Gabrielle Releck. Hello, good
morning everybody. How are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I'm also how about yourself?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Absolutely fantastic, glad to hear it.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Of course, I'm calling with gabriel Reilik and Lucia and Nell,
the author of Good People, for your interview today at
ninet fifty.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Looking forward to this, I gotta ask, are you going
to er it?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It should be this weekend? Right now, I'm in an
RV inside this beautiful park.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Oh that sounds awesome, except.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's been raining for three days. But you know there's
beauty and rain.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
There is indeed, or only for me, sir, I'll get
you connected with the author.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Thank you, thank you, my pleasure.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You will now be placed into the conference.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Please go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Good morning you too, How are you doing?
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
How are you wow?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
To be with you today is such a blessing, And
the reason being is because in this world of so
many clouded stories and paths and walkways, you're giving us
a great ray of light. You always have been with
upworthy and now here comes to this book. Oh my god,
what you have done with this book is amazing.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You know, it's it's done to me. It's it's done
in a short story format. And yet you have little
little easter eggs in there, such as the spotlights that
you sit there and you go, wow, there's my affirmation
for the day.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah, we wanted to pay homage to, you know, the
comments that came in on our Instagram dage, and so
we peppered some of those as they as they appeared
throughout the book, and they're they're delightful to read.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
How difficult was it to write the book or was
it one that just kind of fell into your lapping
you went, oh my god, we should have been doing
this a while ago.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Well, you know, it was an undertaking to gather over
a hundred stories, true stories that you know, are really
you know, hit deep. But it was easy in the
sense that there were so many of them out there,
so many people wanting to share experiences that meant a
lot to them. And yeah, so that that part was
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easy to let people tell their stories and for us
to preserve them and share them with the world. And
it was an on that people were trustworthy and trusting
us to do that.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well, look at how you're affecting people. I mean, even
Cheryl Crow said that, you know, as she was stepping
into the world of social media. She says that you
were the very first people that she met up with
on Instagram, and she she keeps checking back in because
you're that jolt of energy.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, totally, yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Sorry, what I think, you know, I think what upwardy
provides it's sort of a counterbalance to what you typically
see on social media, a lot of which can be
really overwhelming or really dark or paint humanity and kind
of a negative light to come across our page and
come across our content. That's giving them something that reminds
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them that there's actually so much beauty and goodness in
the world as well. These things are happening on an
everyday basis. They just don't typically command headlines.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Well, do you think that's because we've become blind to
the good things Until you pick up a book such
a this. I mean, you sit in here looking at
one Last Wave and you get into this story and
all of a sudden, you just you just you can
feel the positive energy.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I think that there is a lot of attention that
is given to the more dramatic forces out there. I
mean a lot of times that's you know, things that
make people angry or get people fighting, or you know,
the most difficult stuff happening in the world. But you
know what, the drama of true human experiences, of deep emotions,
of people helping each other is also incredibly compelling, and
(21:31):
sometimes it can be a little bit of a harder
story to tell because one of the easiest things in
the world to do is to make people angry, and
in an attention based economy, I think a lot of
people go for that. But it's just as you know,
rousing and is important and deep to lift people up,
to amaze them, to hit people, you know, and emotions
(21:53):
that are you know, elevating as opposed to anger introducing,
and so we try to focus on listing people up.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
This is one of those books that's going to be
what we in radio call a water cooler conversation book.
People are going to be it's going to become part
of the conversation and people can say what book was that,
and then all of a sudden and then you know,
it gets around that quickly.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
You know, I think there's a reason for that. I
think these stories stick with you because they hit you
right in the fields.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
As the youth would.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Say, I'm aging myself, But you know, it hits on
these emotions or these nostalgic memories that everyone can relate to.
Everyone can remember the teacher that changed their life. Everyone
can remember a friend that picks them up when they
were at their lowest. It's not just reading about someone
(22:44):
else's nice story and saying, you know, on my merry way,
it's saying, wow, that reminds me of someone in my
life that had this impact on me, and it helps
reshape the way you see people, on the way you.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
See the world. See.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I've always believed that Christmas should be celebrated every day
because people do get really super kind, you know, right
before the holidays and as the holidays are happening, And
a book like this says, you know, you can do
this every day. You can be kind every day. All
you have to do is just make the concerted effort.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Yeah, And it's a great time to be reminded of that.
In particular, you know, the outsized impact that a small
act can have on folks, and you never know what
that interaction that you're having with someone. What that kind
of word that you say, or that compliment or that
little gesture that you, you know, share with a stranger
to lift them up, or how that's going to make
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them feel both in that moment but also throughout their lives.
You know, there's so many stories in here that are
decades old, and small things that just people didn't never
forgot because it happened at the right time. And so
I think it's a wonderfully empowering thing to know, especially
during a stressful time in the holidays and what can
be a lonely time for people, to know that we
all have that power to, you know, do something that's
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going to stay with someone in a positive way for
their entire lives.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And it doesn't have to be of materialistic value. And
the reason why I bring that up is because I've
always believed and I really do try to lead this
path in the way of people are not happy to
see me, they're happy that I recognize them. I always
try to recognize somebody. It makes their day.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
M hm.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yeah, it doesn't love that. I love that attitude and energy,
and I'm going to be adopting.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
That as well.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
From now, but you know it's so true. It could
be these little innocuous gestures that you don't even think
too much about, like saying, oh, I love your haircut.
You know, we have a story in the book about
women being complemented by a group of girls saying I
love your haircut. And she ended up just having recovered
from cancer and her keynote treatment and her hair was
(24:44):
just starting to grow back. That meant way more to
her than these girls ever would have even thought about.
You know, So the little things holding the door open,
letting someone cut in front of you while you're driving,
you just have no idea to get the point how
that can actually have an outlasting and pat them.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That's so funny that you say that about when we're driving.
That's so funny that you say that about about driving,
because it's one of those things where you know, I'll
sit there and I'll say, Oka, I'm gonna let this
one in because I know somewhere down the road someone's
gonna let me in.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And it's it's a game. It really is a game.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Absolutely, So, Now where did the book idea come from?
Because you know how we creative people are, we could
be in a mall, or we could be having dinner
all of a sudden, because you get hit with this
idea we need to write a book and it needs
to be about this.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah, well, you know much, and I spend a lot
of time on social media. We run a giant handle
at Along. There's some folks who help us keep that running,
and we were just seeing so many beautiful stories that
were being shared by the people that were following us,
no experiences that they had, and so we wanted to
share those with the world.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's more than just just Instagram, is it not.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's upoorly dot com, which is the
editorial operation, and we're on other platforms as well. They're
all dedicated to sharing the best of humanity of the world.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I'm shocked that Hulu or even Netflix hasn't approached you
to share these stories in you know, moving pictures ways.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Yeah, I mean if you're out there listening and Netflix executives,
there's a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, because a lot of people don't understand that once
you open your heart and you clear things out and
you start helping other people, it's not that you become
addicted to it. You just want to do it because
you see the enlightenment in their lives, and then it
helps you with your own personal life.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Yeah, there's you know, there's a huge benefit on doing
an active kindnesses that goes well beyond just the recipient
and actually feels good. It raises oxytocin, the hormone links
to social connective social connectiveness that lowers your heart rate,
et cetera. And it also, this is my favorite, is
it impacts the observer of the active kindness as well.
(26:55):
Studies have shown that if you see someone doing an
active kindness, you are more likely to go out and
do that for someone else yourself.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I call that the silent watcher, those that observe things
and they change because they saw something, because they took
the time to step back and watch the world.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Man, you gotta come back to this show anytime in
the future. Ten minutes with you is not enough time, guys, it's.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
To talk about this.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Will you'd be brilliant today? Okay?
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Likewise, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Thank you.
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