December 1, 2025 • 41 mins
Welcome back to the studio. This is My Day of Play, where you’re taken into the real events and actions of how it happens long before the process of editing or cleaning up. The original purpose of these episodes was to give my broadcasting students something to edit, to practice with and to call their own. Then I realized that you are just as important. Share the reality of how it really went. We begin things with Dara Gottfried, widow of the legendary actor comedian Gilbert Gottfried. Living and creating with one of the most brilliant funny people on the planet. Then we’re going all out anime with Jacki Jing from Crunchyroll, the place to be for all things global and universal anime. And we’ll wrap things up Allan Kozinn and Adrian Sinclair who went to town on the research and discovery which is featured in the book McCartney Legacy, Vol 2 This is My Day of Play. Completely unedited in the way of meeting the wizard behind the curtain.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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dot net, a R R o E dot net. Enjoy
the exploration. Hey, what to welcome you back to the studio.
(00:20):
This is my day of play where you're taking into
the really vans and actions of how it goes down
before the process of editing and or cleaning up. The
original purpose of these episodes was to give my broadcasting
students something to edit, to practice with and to call
their own. And then I realized, well, wait a second,
you are just as important as they are. Why can't
you enjoy the experience as well. We begin things with
(00:43):
Dara Godfried, widow of the legendary actor comedian Gilbert Godfried,
living and creating with one of the most brilliant funny
people on the planet. Then we're going all out anime
with Jackie Jing from Crunchy Role That's the place to
be when all they are anime. And we'll wrap things
up with Alan Cozen and Adrian Sinclair who went to
(01:06):
town on their research and discovered so much more about
the legendary Paul McCartney their book McCartney Legacy two. This
is my day of play, completely unedited in the way
of meeting the Wizard behind the curtain.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Recording in progress.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Hello and good morning everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Jara is here.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You'll have twenty minutes till forty go my friend. Good morning, Dara.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
This is gonna be fun. I'm great. Thank you for
having me question it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It's such a blessed day because I got the opportunity
to be with your husband in the green room one night,
and it was I've never ever forgotten it. I swear
his his his emotions and everything that we shared in
that in that conversation are still inside my heart.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Oh, thank you so much. That's so great. I love
hearing that.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, you know, when when you get to seem when
when the guard is down or the performer isn't there.
I mean he's got stories. Oh my god, he has
story worries about everything.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well that you know, that's.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Part of the reason why I started the podcast for him,
you know, because he was just there was so many
stories that he just knew so much about old Hollywood,
and I mean he was just like a walking encyclopedia.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
It was incredible, And I don't think people realize that.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
What was it like for you to put this project together?
Because I mean, is it like, was it a tough
chapter or was it?
Speaker 6 (02:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
This we're going to celebrate his life.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
One hundred percent, celebrate one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
So I got to tell you, this is something that
I wanted to do for twenty five years. I always
thought that Gilbert should have an album out, and you know,
he never wrote down his jokes. Whoa he he never
wrote anything down. If you saw Joan Rivers documentary, you
know that she had five has. It's unbelievable. Gilbert has
(02:53):
four pieces of notebook paper scribbled on with one lot
one word for every joke he wrote it. So I
bugged him for so long to put out an album,
but he wouldn't do it because he didn't really update
his act much and he was worried that if people
could could buy it and listen to it at home,
they wouldn't go see his live shows. I get that,
(03:15):
but yeah, but unfortunately, after he passed, I thought, well,
now it's a good time to put it out because
you can't see his live shows. Unfortunately, so Neil Berkeley,
who made the documentary Gilbert, with me. We went through
all of the shows that he filmed, and we picked
the best of the best and.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Put out this album. It's available on digital.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
But also I wanted to put out a double LP
ye because that's so cool, and so it pointed an
edition violent. Well.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I love the fact that it is an LP because
not only is it cool again, but it just has
that deeper, richer presence, like I'm sitting right there in
that studio.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It's a great gift too.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
And what's cool also is that like Jeff Frost, who
was a good friend of Gilbert's, came up with the title.
Angelette wrote the liner notes. My friend Perry Shaw, who
is nominated for Grammy this year for Best Artwork. He
did the packaging and I actually Gilbert was an artist
and no one knew that he drew and we etched
into the vinyl the fourth side, we etched one of
(04:17):
his drawings called Chico needed the money and so you
could frame it and put it on the wall.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
It's super cool.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, see right there, that tells me that you got
to buy two or three different copies just for yourself
so that you can put it on the wall, Because
I mean, you talk about a conversation piece.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Oh, it's super cool. Yeah, I wish you could see it.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
It's really really neat, but we're doing Yeah, it's limited
edition vinyl and then you could buy the album anyway.
But I also want to raise awareness for the for
the foundation that I started, so it's all kind of connected.
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
That's the myotonic dystrophy, right.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Yeah, so Gilbert had this condition that went undiagnosed for
ten years. What and yeah, ten years, no one, he
had no idea, no doctor, doctors hadn't heard of it.
It was only discovered in ninety five. So yeah, it's
called myotonic DYSTROPHEED type two. And if you go to
Gilbertgodfred dot com you could learn more about it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
See. I love a heart like that. You're taking creativity
and sharing it in ways where you can reach other
people's lives. It's like, you know, a project like this
opens up the door for the cause to get the
attention that it needs.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Thank you. That was my goal.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
But you know what I find very interesting, though, Derek,
is the fact that it took you twenty five years
to do this. I created a channel on iHeartRadio called
View from the Writing Instrument, especially for people like yourself
who've got these brilliant ideas and you're waiting for that
one moment.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
How cool is that? That's awesome?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, because a lot of these projects sit underneath people's
beds or they're up in the attic, and then the
kids find it when the day is over and it's like,
oh my god, they should have published this. Yeah, they
should have. And that's why I'm so proud of you
for finally taking this step.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Thank you. Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
It feels good also, you know, because I feel like
when someone passes, you know their their body is gone,
but their spirit lives on and the people that are alive,
and as long as you keep talking about them and
keep them, it keeps their legacy alive. And Gilbert's legacy
was such a huge presence and he deserves that, you know.
(06:19):
So I'm trying to do my best.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, and to finally get it where we're like, we're
gonna be able to hear his sounds and still feel
his sounds. I love that. But at the same time,
I understand why he didn't want to do it, because
Bob Seeker didn't want to be recorded either, and because
you know, if you don't catch it live, you're missing something.
That echo that's back over there on the right hand side,
or maybe there's a picture on the wall or something.
You know, being there is more than just you know,
you know, just feeling the person.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeah, well, it was also that he was a little
bit lazy, and.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
He didn't come across lazy to me when we were
sitting in that room. He had some energy in him.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Funny too, because he became known as this sturdy comic.
But the truth is that Gilbert used when we first
started dating, he was one hundred percent clean. He used
to say to me, it was lazy if you wrote
if you work dirty, that it was so much harder
to work clean than dirty. And so most ninety five
percent of the album that I put out is clean.
(07:17):
I added in seven dirty jokes at the end because
you know, why not, But but it's a clean album.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
It's crazy Gilbert. People didn't know that about him.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You've got a picture of Groucho Marx behind you. Was
Groucho a major part of Gilbert.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Huge and also Gilbert was was known for He used
to do this old Grouchow impression, not the Rod Warred Groucho,
and the old Groucho which was amazing. But yeah, he
loved the Marx Brothers, love them. I got to meet
Chicko's daughter Maxine once when she was alive. That was
pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Now the photographs that are used, I mean, I mean,
first of all, we all think that we've seen all
the pictures of Gilbert, which are absolutely untrue. And that's
why listeners need to really tap into what you've done here,
because we're gonna get to see and hear things that
we've never experienced before.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I didn't know you could see. Can you see?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I can? Oh my god. That Okay, that's that's That's
like the Beatles. Sergeant Pepper right there is what that was?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Can you see that?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yes? Look at that? Look at that album?
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Oh okay, I'm talking about People can't see this. It's amazing,
it's so cool. There's there's actually there's chick O marks. Yeah,
oh there's and there's grouchow.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Gilbert Gilbert drew when he was when he was a teenager.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
He dropped out of high school at fifteen, and his
parents didn't know. He spent every day going to the
library and reading about all these old comedians and old
movies and everything that you know that he ended up
interviewing all these people in our podcast, and he would
go he would draw during the day and he would
go to this to the clubs at night. And my
(08:57):
daughter made this little documentary that Gilbert's artwork. It's on
Gilbert Goodfred dot com.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Let's put let's put focus on that because the artwork.
To me, I love drawing, I love painting. But I
used words to get people to that artwork. Did he
use comedy to get people to that artwork?
Speaker 4 (09:14):
No one knew about the artwork.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
He never put it out when he started Oh god, yes,
when he we started dating, and I went to that
crazy apartment of his, looked underneath his bed and there
was he had all these drawings just underneath his bed,
collecting dust. I said, Gilbert, oh my god, these are incredible.
You need to frame these. And I had them sign
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them and frame them and I put them up on
the wall. But he never no one knew. That's why
she named it the hid and Talent of Gilbert Gottfried
and h yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Huh well, yeah, this is such a Yoko ono John
Lennon moment. Because John didn't want to keep his his drawings.
He won. He kept throwing them away and Yoko would
save them. I mean, look at what this would be
a great cause for you to kind of raise money
for the Myotonic distrophe in the way that you tour
the country and let people just see it.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Well if you actually I'm doing that now.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I picked four of his of his drawings, and I
made limited edition g Clay Prince that are available on
Gilbert Goodfred dot com. But yeah, that's what I did.
So I took four of them and did that just
to share it with the world because no.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
One knew, No one knew.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Again, he was very quiet, like you know, I mean, well,
it's funny to say he was quiet, but he was.
He was very quiet, and I was kind of like
the force behind him. We made a great team, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah. He kind of reminded me of what I call
a silent watcher or a silent wolf in the way
that he observed people, he felt their energy and then
he was able to step through and then bring his performance.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
That's correct, That is correct. He was one of a kind.
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
He never drove a car, He never learned to drive
a car, he never learned to swim. He was he
was a character, but an amazing person, an amazing you know, father,
and amazing husband. I'm very I'm very fortunate. I mean,
I know it's sad that he died and everything, but
it's I'm very fortunate that for twenty five years I
had that, you know, incredible love and person in my life.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
A lot of people don't even get that.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know, right right, it was meant to be. It's
almost like soulmates, the two passing ships in the middle
of the night.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Oh God.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
When I was in high school, I had I had
a Marx Brothers poster on my wall and I dressed
up with the Groucho Marx glasses and nose and mustache
for for my graduation picture.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
So it was kind of be.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
How did he land that performance with the Go Goos?
Because we kind of talked about it when we were
in the room, but we didn't. There was just way
too much going on that it' psych you know, he
put focus on it, but he didn't. But how did
how did he get on that stage with them?
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Well, he was getting very popular in the eighties, you know,
and he did like you know Aladdin and Beverly Well,
Aladdin was later, but Beverly Hills cop two and blah
blah blah. So he was at to open for the
for the Go Gos and he was in Long Island
and a big outdoor it was a summer, big outdoor stadium.
And they said to him, listen, Gilbert, there's gonna be
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a lot of young girls here with their moms.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
You have to be clean. Do not do it.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
That is the worst thing they could have said to Gilbert,
the worst thing. The minute you say to him not
to do something, he would do it. So he just
was like, screw that. And he was so fearless. It
scared the hell out of me. Oh my god, it
gets I'm so scared. And you just went out there
and told every vulgar, vulgar joke you could think of.
(12:38):
And basically he ended up having to jump over the
fence that he ran off the stage and the course
thing did not invite him back.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Speaking of that stage, what was the situation, what was
the transition like for him to go from the side
of the stage to the center of the stage, Because
so many times creative people we have to be evolved,
we have to get into that person.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Basically, the second he would walk on stage, he just
became you know, that character that he was. It was
him though it was not even a character. It was
just him. It was just another side of him. But
he would close his eyes I think because he didn't
want to really look at the audience.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
No, I totally get that. I totally get that. But
let me ask you this question. Then, in the way
that Jim Carrey says that there's no such thing as
a Jim Carrey it's just a character, you say that
it's him. So basically, I mean Gilbert Godfrey was real,
where Jim Carrey says, no, I'm a character. I wasn't.
I'm not real.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
No, I mean I people would ask him, well, how
did you come up with this screening thing? He said,
it just was me. It just evolved. It just happened.
You know, I don't think it was intentional. It wasn't
like he was abut to create this character and he
put any thought into it.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Zero. No, it just happened because it was a part
of him that was it.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
You know, how did you win his heart over finally
because he was fifty one years.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Yeah, we dated for ten years before we had kids
and got married, and it was crazy. I think that Pendelette,
who was one of his best friends had just gotten
married and they are like six days apart, and he
saw him at that point, and I think finally someone
said to him, listen, you know you, Dara loves you
so much.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And finally, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Finally I stopped asking him and I just said, we're
getting married.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
That was it, basically, And I was like, all.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Right, I'm getting a ring. And he said to me,
he said, well, don't spend too much money. There's a
place I saw commercial on TV in Hackensack, New Jersey
where you could go and buy a cheap ring.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
He said, don't worry, I won't spend too much.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
To watch him at Pendulat's house, that had to have
been like a child in a candy store, because I mean,
you know, Penn with all of that stuff in his
house and to be that close with Gilbert is just
what a connection.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Oh, he was such a good friend.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Again, you know that since Gilbert died, there hasn't been
one day that Penn hasn't rid And to me, I'm
text me and am doing It's been two and a
half years. He hasn't missed one day. And actually the
kids and I just went to their house for Thanksgiving.
And told us some great, great stories. He said that
I didn't know this. He said, you know, Dara, when
Gilbert would take you to dinner, I used to call
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the restaurant and give them my credit card.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh see, that's what friends do. That's that to me
is real? Family?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Is that great?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
So it seems like that you continue to learn new
things about Gilbert. I mean, first of all, I'm fascinated
by with the artwork, and then you just learned this
about the restaurant. What I mean, do you is it
is a fun thing for you when you find when
you find something new.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Oh yeah, I mean you know.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
That's why we made the documentary too, because he got
so much flak from doing when he told the jokes
about Aflac, he was new on Twitter.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I don't know if you know this story, the Aflac story.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I do, I do.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Oh that was crazy.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
I was like, he actually cried when he got fired
because he loves love doing that gig so much. He
was the Affleck Duck for eleven years. He did he
did a lot of birds, you know, Iago, the Cyberchase
digit but uh, he got so much flock from that,
and I wanted people to know that he was actually
a really good guy and family man, and uh so
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we made the documentary about about that other side of him.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Well, this project right here is a handshake to those
that don't know Gilbert yet and will get to know him,
and those that have been with him all of these years,
like I have.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Mm hmm, absolutely, and I hope that people really enjoy
it and yeah, Gilbert Goodfred dot com and clown Jewels
dot com.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
But it's been fun.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
During the New York Comedy Festival, which was a couple
weeks ago, I produced a huge show at the at
the hard Rock to raise money for the charity and
to bring awareness and also to celebrate the album.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And it was super fun. I had on.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Stage Richard Kine and Judy Gold and Susie Esmond and
David Hell, Chevy Chase showed up and Paul Schaeffer and
it was just it was amazing. It was amazing, and
everyone just said greats, told great stories about Gilbert, and
I showed outtakes from the documentary that no one had
ever seen and it was really a special night.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
See that needs to happen to you. You need to
sit in a room with a microphone and share your
memories as well, and we're all sitting here shaking our
heads up and down, going yeah, yeah, that's it. That's
the dude that we were with that. Yeah, that's him.
And then and then when I hear all these other
stories from everybody else, is like, yeah, that's him.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
I think it's important when someone passes to keep their
lik you know, their their physical is gone, but their
their spirit I think lives on through memories and and
you know, I'm trying to do that.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I'm trying to He deserved that, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Now, let's talk biopic his or one or there's nobody
that could ever play Gilbert.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's funny.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
It's so funny because I just got a script last week.
My friend Alan read it just yeah, for two years
he's been writing the script and he just sent me
the new edit just this week.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I just read it.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
It's incredible, So we shall see.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So where can people go one more time to where
they can get the vinyl as well as the first
of all, the documentary. If you haven't seen it yet listeners,
then you have to because it shows him on stage
and you guys at home.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, it's funny looking back because I mean, the kids
were so little that it's crazy. It came out, and
it came out in twenty seventeen. It debuted at the
Tribeca Film Festival. And the funny story about that is
that Neil Berkeley, who made the documentary, we have a
mutual friend. And he was having lunch with that friend
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and he said to her, she said, well, what is
what do you want? What's your next project going to be?
And he said, well, I've always wanted to make a
documentary about Gilbert Godfrey and she said, you know that
his wife is my best friend.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And story short.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
For two years, he asked Gilbert to make this and
Gilbert's like, no documentaries are for when you're dead.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I'm not doing it. He wouldn't give me an answer,
and I finally just.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Said to Melle, just come and if he you know,
if he sends you home, he sends you home. Otherwise
just stick around. And the first scene of the documentary,
he gets in. He walks into the apartment and Gilbert's
in his bathroom and he's iron and Gilbert and he
and he said to Gilbert, he said to Gilbert, do
you know who I am? And Gilbert's like, I have
no idea, No, I have no idea anymore. He's stuck
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around with Gilbert didn't sign the contract until after he
saw the movie.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Oh my god, what was it? What was it like
for him to watch it? I mean you're sitting next
to him, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Oh. He was so thrilled.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
And what he was really really really happy about is
that his sister was in the documentary and his sister
had His sister got to see it in al of
twenty seventeen in Tribeca, and then she passed away that August.
So he was so so grateful that she A light
was shown on her because she was an incredible street photographer.
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Very talented family, very very talented family.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Wow, where can we go to find out more about
the Misotonic dystrophe as well as the album with the
sketches in it and everything? Because I want them to
tap into your energy.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Oh, thank you so much. Well. Two links.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
One is for the vinyl and that's for the record company,
which is Clown Clown Jewles j E w e ls
dot com clown Jewels dot com. For the limited edition vinyl.
There's only a few left and it makes a great
holiday gift. And blah blah blah, and then go to
Gilbert Goodfrey dot com to purchase his artwork new T
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shirts that I made, watch my daughter's documentary and learn
more about the charity and donate money.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
To the charity.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Wow, you got to come back to the show anytime
in the future. The doors always get to be open
for you.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
This was really fun. I appreciate the time and what
a great interview. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Well, I can't wait to marry the interview I had
with with Gilbert and this one together because I think
they belong together.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
You might need earplugs. Ear plugs for.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Having Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Thank you. Please do not move. Jackie Ching from crunchy
roll is coming up next. Hey, thanks for coming back
to my day of play. Let's get into that talk
with Jackie Jing from crunchy roll.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Hey, Aero, real quick, we're going to go ahead and
connect you with Jackie.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I just want to give your heads up.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
We have a live hit right behind you, so if
you can be out by thirty eight, we would appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I love it, Thank you fantastic. I give us a second.
She has just had a little sneeze attack.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Give us one moment.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Hi Erow, how are you doing today?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Hi'm you know it's early for me, but I'm ready
to rock and talk anime.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Oh you're talking my world. When you say you're ready
to rock, you're on my street.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh yay, Okay, well let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
What anime is finally becoming that big thing. It's no
longer a little pocket group kind of thing, or that
little secret service or anything like that. I mean, it's
finally becoming an institution all over the world.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You are not wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I mean, okay, listen to this number and tell me
if this doesn't shock you. But Crunchy Role has millions
of users, fifty million premium users, and I think that
number just shocks me. Like when I was growing up,
I'm very open about this. I was bullied, I was ostracized,
And now I mean I go to these conventions and
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it is packed with thousands of people.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
We are a beautiful community and we are growing. There
was some.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Crazy statistic I saw on polygon dot com that says
like forty three percent of gen z and watches anime.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Is that Is that not wild?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
So just you know, throwing some nerdy numbers at you.
But anime is growing rapidly, and I just it's so
it's so near and dear in my heart. So I
love seeing it.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Well, I love the theaters that are starting to have
anime festivals because I know that Regal Stonecrest here in Charlotte,
they they did for several months. That's all they showed
were animes.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I mean, why wouldn't they be.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
You need to get an anime arrow ero, like, tell me,
tell me what's your vibe.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I'm going to give you an anime wreck.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
My vibe is it's storytelling. It's it's all about, you know,
making connections, bringing people together for that ability and and
people that are filled with art. I want others to
learn about them as well, so they too can bring
out their art form. So that's my superpower.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
Ooh, I'm feeling heartfelt. Adventure and Pirates for you would
be a good recommendation. So you need to check out
one piece. Okay, that's my recommendation for you.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I love that that Funko Pop is a part of
this because I mean I've been with those guys. Oh
my god, they totally get it, and I think they're
doing their major part of how anime is becoming three dimensional.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, I mean Funko Pop.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
We have one of the Crunchy Role exclusives that we're
really pushing is the bleach Ichigo Funko Pop and you know,
they work very closely with Crunchy Roll and Funko Pops
are all the rage right now with anime fans.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
The really cool thing about the.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Anime fandom is that we're all very different. Like some
people like a subtle hat, some people just like a pin.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Some people want to be.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Wearing a shirt that has their favorite character's big.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Fat head on it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
So like Funko Pops, though, are are figure that many
many anime fans are definitely attracted to.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So, I mean, they're cute. I love them.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Don't you think that part of the success of Crunchy
Role is the fact that the prices are not scary,
that it's approachable for every single fan.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Okay, I'm so happy you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Because Crunchy Role they have affordable stalking stuffers.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And then if you're like a hardcore collector.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I mean, you can't see me right now, but I'm
sitting next to this one piece Monkey Deloafy Portrait of
Pirates Figure Gear five version. Yes, that is the full name,
because that is how elegant and beautiful this piece is.
And I wish I could show you the detail and
it's huge, you know, like it's so much bigger.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Than what you would think.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
And that's the thing I was kind of talking about
earlier is that, hey, maybe you're just someone who likes
to have a little pen, a little detail, or maybe
you're someone who's like a massive collector and you have
just a giant shell filled with major figurings. That figuring
I was talking about is like roughly a two hundred
and fifty bucks and then you have the funk O Pop,
which is.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Like ninety ninety nine. So yeah, Crunchy roll. Everything you talk.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You talk about those pins. And the one thing that
I have to giggle about because people wear those pins
like their awards. I mean, they collect them, they wear them,
they sport around, you know, because they want to start
that conversation with somebody that can relate with them.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
It's really interesting because I know I talked about this earlier,
but I was, like I said, bullied for liking anime,
watching anime and I would wear T shirts and like
I would literally get ready ridiculed. And now I love
when I'm wearing a shirt and someone's like, hey, dragon.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Ball Z or like Sailor Milt. I love Sallermon.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And it's like you said, it's a way that we
connect to each other, and it is. It is like
a kind of a badge of honor, you know, like
we're like you instantly see someone wearing a straw hat,
loofy hat, or like we said, like maybe it's like
a backpack or something more subtle, and you just instantly
vibe with them. Or sometimes you're like that anime was
dark and I was not a fan, how.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Could you be about that life?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
But like you just have these great conversations with each
other and it's so funny. I think it went from
kind of being something that I was like, man, like,
maybe I shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Wear this out.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
So my closet has more than fifty anime shirts alone.
That's not even going into my jackets or my pants
or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Or we haven't even touched figures, you know, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Wow, yeah, I'm gonna be looking at everybody's arms when
it comes to that forty fifth anniversary watch, because I
think that's gonna be a big seller very quickly.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, it's funny you talk about arms. I have a
couple anime tattoos myself, so you know.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Well, no people are wearing it with pride. I mean,
you can go into an ink shop right now and
say that and nobody's gonna sit there and say what, No,
they go list.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I totally agree. Yeah, I totally agree. Ero, we got
to get you an anime. You're gonna try out one.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Piece, right, wouldn't that be fun?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You've got to you know.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
The other thing I wanted to talk about right now
is if you're a last minute shopper there and you're
you know, someone who's an anime fan, they have these
really fun merry mystery bags. They're twenty five bucks and
it's this really cool surprise. You could get figures, Blu rays, DVDs, plushies,
and so if there's an anime fan in your life,
I think that's such a great gift because it's just
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kind of this bundle of fun. So I just wanted
to make sure I said that in case any anime
fans are less name. And also, I don't know about
y'all but I'm a last minute shopper, so it's really
exciting to see that Crunchy Role has this thing. You
can place orders by December fifteenth and you're guaranteed delivery
by December twenty fourth, and they also got one day
and two day shipping, so you know what, We're ready.
(28:15):
Anime fans, get your stuff from Crunchy Role.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Where can people go to become a part of the
Crunchy Role community.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Honestly, I would say go to crunchyroll dot com. You
know that's great, follow them on all of the socials
as well, like super interactive communicative community, so that would
be where to begin, and then if you need some recommendations,
hit me up.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
There you go. Well, you got to come back to
this show anytime in the future because the door is
always going to be open for you.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Jackie, Okay, you're going to watch One Piece and then
bring me back just to let you know.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Though it has more than a thousand episodes.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I love it. I'm addicted to One Piece, let me
tell you that right now. The live action as well
as the OH. I love everything the anime and everything
is just so perfectly in tune with our worlds.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh my gosh, that makes me so happy to hear.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
We'll get you into animeal chotlie or that love it.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Will you be brilliant today? Okay you too, by ero,
please do not move. Alan Cozen and Adrian Sinclair are
talking Paul McCartney coming up next. Hey, thanks for coming
back to my day of play. Let's get into that
conversation about Paul McCartney with Alan Cozen and Adrian Sinclair. Hello,
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and good morning everybody.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Morning Hoky fresh please find gentlemen, are all yours until
herd out at thirty two?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Excellent, good morning you two. First of all, thank you
so much for finally giving me my Paul McCarty. I
realized that he was part of this band called the Beatles,
but I didn't get into Paul McCartney until I became
a preteen. And so finally a book that talks about
my Paul McCartney.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
That so good to hear.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And the thing about this book, you really give us
an opportunity to study. I mean it's like you were
students and now you're taking your lesson and you're giving
it to us to say, go learn something because you're
going to.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Well yeah, I mean we wanted to show in great
detail how he worked, how he did what he did.
And so you know, we've taken the recording sessions and
the songs completely apart, put them back together, and ideally
showed everyone how it happened and why it works.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, because so many times in his interviews he's so nonchalant,
you know, when it comes to this, the song just
happened to come together. We were working deada out and
I say, Paul, there's a deeper story there. And that's
what I'm getting from this book is the fact that
I can go deeper as a fan as well as
a student.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
I mean, we found out all kinds of crazy stories
that you would never conceive to be true. But we
were told by and record an engineer, for example, that
when they were working on the album Wings at the
Speed of Sound, Paul was inspired by Bohemian Rhapsody, which
was you know, flying in the charts over an England
and to write or to record silly love songs. Now
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you would never put those two songs even on the
same page together, you know, musically, but you know, Paul was,
you know, inspired by what another artist was doing in
the studio to try and do something different himself, you know,
and it took him off in a different direction. And
I think that there are so many examples across our
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two volumes that you can read about of, you know,
how Paul's music came about and why.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
See, I always thought that Bohemian Rhapsody was inspired because
of Uncle Albert, because I mean the way with all
the different you know, levels of performance in that, and
I thought, oh, they're just borrowing from Paul McCartney.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
That's really interesting. I never thought of it that way,
but I see what you mean.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
And you know, once we found out that Bohemian Rhapsody
was his inspiration for Silly Love Songs, and began to
look at, okay, well, why what do these two songs
possibly have in common?
Speaker 7 (31:59):
And well, you know, they're both very.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Episodic, they both do an awful lot with a vocal counterpoint,
and you know, there really are a number of elements
they share as different as.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
They sound from each other.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
And it's just amazing the degree to which Paul can
listen to something and find a McCartney.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Style solution to doing that himself.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
And this is Silly Love Songs is a great example
of that.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I love the way that you guys step into the
world of you know, when when disco, punk and new
wave we're all coming together and then here comes Sir
Paul McCartney with a vision of his own, and you
really do give us that map to his understanding of it.
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Yeah, I mean, Paul has always been like that. He's
a musical magpie. I mean you mentioned un Kalal, but
Admiral Halsey and a recole. You know, we found out
that Paul, you know, came up with the name Admiral
Halsey because he read it on a movie post for
the film Tora Torah.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
You know.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
So Paul's always plucking things from the world around him
and then they come out through his music. Very much
so in what was going on in the music scene,
you know in Britain and America with the emergence of
punk and new wave and electronica, Paul is one of
those guys who thinks, well, why can't I have a.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Go at that?
Speaker 9 (33:22):
So he gives us, you know, good Night Tonight or
back to the Egg album, which is like his punk album.
And McCartney too, was, you know, Paul trying electronica and
that's kind of been a theme in Paul's music. I
suppose you know, throughout his solo career.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I didn't realize that he was a science fiction writer
until I read your book. I was taken back by that.
I'm going out, my god, how come I don't have
in any of his books in my house.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Well, he was more a science fiction reader and.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Fan of it. So when he was on vacation in Jamaica,
just before going to New Orleans to do Venus in Mars,
he was reading, he got a stack of Marvel comics,
and he's reading Isaac Asimov's Foundation trilogy, and he decided
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that he wanted to do a movie for Wings, you know,
because the Beatles had Hard Day's Night and help.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
This is his new group. It would be nice to
have a movie.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
And he came up with this idea for a science
fiction story in which an alternate a group of space
aliens come down and sort of morph into a copy
of Wings, and sort of the plot is sort of
in a way, the battle between the real Wings and
the space alien Wings. And he decided that he wanted
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some help with this, so he arranged to meet with
Isaac Asimov and he and Asimov disgusted Asimov looked a
over Paul's treatment and wrote sort of a revised treatment
of his own where he changed the nature of the
space aliens and did a number of other things as
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Asimov is wont to do and sent it back to Paul, and.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Paul sort of didn't want to do it quite the
way Asimov did.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
So when Asimov filed his papers with the Boston Music
Boston University Library, we found a copy of his treatment
in there, which he scrolled across the top. Nothing came
of this, because Paul McCartney doesn't recognize good stuff.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
And then he worked with Gene Roddenberry. He wanted Gene Roddenberry.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
To pick up the same idea and make a film
of that, and really nothing came of that either, because.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
Paul was also a science.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Fiction film fan, and once he saw things like Close
Encounters and Star Wars of realized that, you know, technically,
these films presented spaceships and space aliens and all of that,
you know, in a way far beyond you know, what
Star Trek had, and sort of Paul just sort of
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lost his taste for the idea and sort of went
in a different direction.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
But yeah, he I think he remains a sci fi
fan to this day.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
There's so many things about Paul McCartney that just mesmerizes me.
And I think one of the things that's still with
me even today is when he started appearing on MTV
and he was playing all the musical instruments, and that
to me that he was like my Marvel character at
that point in time, because it was like, I've never
seen anybody do what he was doing in that video.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
Yeah, I think that was the video for coming Up. Yes,
you know, they had to you know, use green screen
or probably blue screen back in the day to film
Paul playing you know, twelve different instruments drums and back
in vocals. And I think Linda was the only other
person who appeared in that video. But yeah, that was
quite groundbreaking video at the time actually, and I think
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even got the attention of you know one John Lennon,
who you know is said to have been influenced by
that song to get back in the studio himself.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Oh wow, speaking of John, and I don't I don't
want to you know, create a ruckus here, but I'm
learning through your book that he didn't like Band on
the Run. I did not know that. I just thought
that everybody loves that song.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
Yeah, well, I think there was perhaps a little bit
of showmanship there really, you know that they were, you know,
to give it some context for your listeners. You know,
they were having dinner John and Ringo with their partners,
and John made some flippant comment about Paul's latest record
and then played frisbee with it. But yeah, I think
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there was there was always, you know, a friendly competition
between the two of them, you know, and seemingly their
relationship in nineteen seventy four when that happened did warm.
So I think that was possibly more playful and you know,
maybe a sort of jealous swipe his own bandmate rather
than anything that was done out of fight.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I got to give you a compliment on this book
in the way that I've always told people they go,
who would you not want to interview? And I've always
said Paul McCartney, And the reason why is because what
would he say that he hasn't already said? And then
your book arrived and it's like, you know what, these
guys found something to pull out and to share with
the history. It's like you have You've got such a
gold mine here, guys.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
But you know, I'll tell you I've interviewed Paul McCartney
a few times, and you know what I found is
that if you really do the research, you read all
those interviews that he's done, and you ask the questions
that won't allow him to tell you that he dreamed
yesterday or the gambling lambs, well why he became vegetarian.
If you ask other questions, he is actually a really,
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really good interview and doesn't repeat all those stories.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
So you should do it someday.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I would love to now because I'll how I've been
able to get Paul McCartney story. I go to the
musicians that have been with him, you know, Brian and Lawrence.
I mean, it's like and man, everybody's got a story.
Speaker 7 (39:10):
Absolutely Well, you know you were too.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
If you spent you spent all this time touring with
Paul or working with Paul, a lot of these stories
would sort of stick in your mind and just waiting
for a couple of people like us to come along
and ask him.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So now I've seen Paul four times, I could see
him six more, ten more times as well. What about
you guys?
Speaker 9 (39:31):
Yeah, well I'm actually going to see Paul on Saturday
in Manchester in England. Yeah, and it's the first time
I'll have seen him in a few years and I'm
really looking forward to it. I've been trying really hard
not to look at his set list, but it just
seems to be everywhere on social media right now. But yeah,
I'm expecting a few surprises and I'm really hoping he
plays something Christmas y this weekend. Last time I saw him,
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last time I saw him in London around this time
of the year, he played wonderful Christmas Time and then
the very end of the concert, a pipe band came
on and they played mullikin Tire and it was mind blowing.
So I'm set in My sight's quite high, you know,
my expectations pretty high for this weekend.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Mulloy looking forward to it. Mull of Kintyre, Oh my god,
if you just brought back so many childhood memories of mine,
where I would I would pretend I was Paul McCartney
on the piano and then I would just sit there
and sing as loud as I could when that song
was plain.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
Yeah, there's a lot about that song in the book.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
Because he had a studio built on his farm in
Scotland specifically to record that, and he gave the designer
one month to build it and he managed to do it,
and you know, and then and recorded it with the
pipe band, and we have a lot of detail about
how it was done and then the making of the
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video and everything.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
So if that's a favorite of yours, you'll like those
sections in book.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Where can people go to find out more about you guys,
because I mean this is volume TiO. I know you're
probably already working on volume three.
Speaker 9 (41:04):
Yeah. Well, we've got a website which is the McCartney
legacy dot com and our book, our second book, is
out today in all good bookstores or you can pick
up an ebook copy of it or an audiobook today.
And yeah, we're really hoping to get volume three into
people's hands as quickly as possible put it, but it
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may take a little longer to put the next book
together than the last two.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Well, I can't thank you enough for this book. Please
come back to this show anytime in the future, you.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
Guys, thanks for having us this time.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Be back, you'd be brilliant. Okay, thanks so much too.
It's actually ails down to Radio one to all of
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the exploration. Hey, what to welcome you back to the studio.
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This is my day of play where you're taking into
the really vans and actions of how it goes down
before the process of editing and or cleaning up. The
original purpose of these episodes was to give my broadcasting
students something to edit, to practice with and to call
their own. And then I realized, well, wait a second,
you are just as important as they are. Why can't
you enjoy the experience as well. We begin things with
(00:43):
Dara Godfried, widow of the legendary actor comedian Gilbert Godfried,
living and creating with one of the most brilliant funny
people on the planet. Then we're going all out anime
with Jackie Jing from Crunchy Role That's the place to
be when all they are anime. And we'll wrap things
up with Alan Cozen and Adrian Sinclair who went to
(01:06):
town on their research and discovered so much more about
the legendary Paul McCartney their book McCartney Legacy two. This
is my day of play, completely unedited in the way
of meeting the Wizard behind the curtain.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Recording in progress.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Hello and good morning everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Jara is here.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You'll have twenty minutes till forty go my friend. Good morning, Dara.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
This is gonna be fun. I'm great. Thank you for
having me question it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It's such a blessed day because I got the opportunity
to be with your husband in the green room one night,
and it was I've never ever forgotten it. I swear
his his his emotions and everything that we shared in
that in that conversation are still inside my heart.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Oh, thank you so much. That's so great. I love
hearing that.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, you know, when when you get to seem when
when the guard is down or the performer isn't there.
I mean he's got stories. Oh my god, he has
story worries about everything.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well that you know, that's.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Part of the reason why I started the podcast for him,
you know, because he was just there was so many
stories that he just knew so much about old Hollywood,
and I mean he was just like a walking encyclopedia.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
It was incredible, And I don't think people realize that.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
What was it like for you to put this project together?
Because I mean, is it like, was it a tough
chapter or was it?
Speaker 6 (02:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
This we're going to celebrate his life.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
One hundred percent, celebrate one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
So I got to tell you, this is something that
I wanted to do for twenty five years. I always
thought that Gilbert should have an album out, and you know,
he never wrote down his jokes. Whoa he he never
wrote anything down. If you saw Joan Rivers documentary, you
know that she had five has. It's unbelievable. Gilbert has
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four pieces of notebook paper scribbled on with one lot
one word for every joke he wrote it. So I
bugged him for so long to put out an album,
but he wouldn't do it because he didn't really update
his act much and he was worried that if people
could could buy it and listen to it at home,
they wouldn't go see his live shows. I get that,
(03:15):
but yeah, but unfortunately, after he passed, I thought, well,
now it's a good time to put it out because
you can't see his live shows. Unfortunately, so Neil Berkeley,
who made the documentary Gilbert, with me. We went through
all of the shows that he filmed, and we picked
the best of the best and.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Put out this album. It's available on digital.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
But also I wanted to put out a double LP
ye because that's so cool, and so it pointed an
edition violent. Well.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I love the fact that it is an LP because
not only is it cool again, but it just has
that deeper, richer presence, like I'm sitting right there in
that studio.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It's a great gift too.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
And what's cool also is that like Jeff Frost, who
was a good friend of Gilbert's, came up with the title.
Angelette wrote the liner notes. My friend Perry Shaw, who
is nominated for Grammy this year for Best Artwork. He
did the packaging and I actually Gilbert was an artist
and no one knew that he drew and we etched
into the vinyl the fourth side, we etched one of
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his drawings called Chico needed the money and so you
could frame it and put it on the wall.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
It's super cool.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, see right there, that tells me that you got
to buy two or three different copies just for yourself
so that you can put it on the wall, Because
I mean, you talk about a conversation piece.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Oh, it's super cool. Yeah, I wish you could see it.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
It's really really neat, but we're doing Yeah, it's limited
edition vinyl and then you could buy the album anyway.
But I also want to raise awareness for the for
the foundation that I started, so it's all kind of connected.
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
That's the myotonic dystrophy, right.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Yeah, so Gilbert had this condition that went undiagnosed for
ten years. What and yeah, ten years, no one, he
had no idea, no doctor, doctors hadn't heard of it.
It was only discovered in ninety five. So yeah, it's
called myotonic DYSTROPHEED type two. And if you go to
Gilbertgodfred dot com you could learn more about it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
See. I love a heart like that. You're taking creativity
and sharing it in ways where you can reach other
people's lives. It's like, you know, a project like this
opens up the door for the cause to get the
attention that it needs.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Thank you. That was my goal.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
But you know what I find very interesting, though, Derek,
is the fact that it took you twenty five years
to do this. I created a channel on iHeartRadio called
View from the Writing Instrument, especially for people like yourself
who've got these brilliant ideas and you're waiting for that
one moment.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
How cool is that? That's awesome?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, because a lot of these projects sit underneath people's
beds or they're up in the attic, and then the
kids find it when the day is over and it's like,
oh my god, they should have published this. Yeah, they
should have. And that's why I'm so proud of you
for finally taking this step.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Thank you. Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
It feels good also, you know, because I feel like
when someone passes, you know their their body is gone,
but their spirit lives on and the people that are alive,
and as long as you keep talking about them and
keep them, it keeps their legacy alive. And Gilbert's legacy
was such a huge presence and he deserves that, you know.
(06:19):
So I'm trying to do my best.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, and to finally get it where we're like, we're
gonna be able to hear his sounds and still feel
his sounds. I love that. But at the same time,
I understand why he didn't want to do it, because
Bob Seeker didn't want to be recorded either, and because
you know, if you don't catch it live, you're missing something.
That echo that's back over there on the right hand side,
or maybe there's a picture on the wall or something.
You know, being there is more than just you know,
you know, just feeling the person.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeah, well, it was also that he was a little
bit lazy, and.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
He didn't come across lazy to me when we were
sitting in that room. He had some energy in him.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Funny too, because he became known as this sturdy comic.
But the truth is that Gilbert used when we first
started dating, he was one hundred percent clean. He used
to say to me, it was lazy if you wrote
if you work dirty, that it was so much harder
to work clean than dirty. And so most ninety five
percent of the album that I put out is clean.
(07:17):
I added in seven dirty jokes at the end because
you know, why not, But but it's a clean album.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
It's crazy Gilbert. People didn't know that about him.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You've got a picture of Groucho Marx behind you. Was
Groucho a major part of Gilbert.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Huge and also Gilbert was was known for He used
to do this old Grouchow impression, not the Rod Warred Groucho,
and the old Groucho which was amazing. But yeah, he
loved the Marx Brothers, love them. I got to meet
Chicko's daughter Maxine once when she was alive. That was
pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Now the photographs that are used, I mean, I mean,
first of all, we all think that we've seen all
the pictures of Gilbert, which are absolutely untrue. And that's
why listeners need to really tap into what you've done here,
because we're gonna get to see and hear things that
we've never experienced before.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I didn't know you could see. Can you see?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I can? Oh my god. That Okay, that's that's That's
like the Beatles. Sergeant Pepper right there is what that was?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Can you see that?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yes? Look at that? Look at that album?
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Oh okay, I'm talking about People can't see this. It's amazing,
it's so cool. There's there's actually there's chick O marks. Yeah,
oh there's and there's grouchow.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Gilbert Gilbert drew when he was when he was a teenager.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
He dropped out of high school at fifteen, and his
parents didn't know. He spent every day going to the
library and reading about all these old comedians and old
movies and everything that you know that he ended up
interviewing all these people in our podcast, and he would
go he would draw during the day and he would
go to this to the clubs at night. And my
(08:57):
daughter made this little documentary that Gilbert's artwork. It's on
Gilbert Goodfred dot com.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Let's put let's put focus on that because the artwork.
To me, I love drawing, I love painting. But I
used words to get people to that artwork. Did he
use comedy to get people to that artwork?
Speaker 4 (09:14):
No one knew about the artwork.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
He never put it out when he started Oh god, yes,
when he we started dating, and I went to that
crazy apartment of his, looked underneath his bed and there
was he had all these drawings just underneath his bed,
collecting dust. I said, Gilbert, oh my god, these are incredible.
You need to frame these. And I had them sign
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them and frame them and I put them up on
the wall. But he never no one knew. That's why
she named it the hid and Talent of Gilbert Gottfried
and h yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Huh well, yeah, this is such a Yoko ono John
Lennon moment. Because John didn't want to keep his his drawings.
He won. He kept throwing them away and Yoko would
save them. I mean, look at what this would be
a great cause for you to kind of raise money
for the Myotonic distrophe in the way that you tour
the country and let people just see it.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Well if you actually I'm doing that now.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I picked four of his of his drawings, and I
made limited edition g Clay Prince that are available on
Gilbert Goodfred dot com. But yeah, that's what I did.
So I took four of them and did that just
to share it with the world because no.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
One knew, No one knew.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Again, he was very quiet, like you know, I mean, well,
it's funny to say he was quiet, but he was.
He was very quiet, and I was kind of like
the force behind him. We made a great team, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah. He kind of reminded me of what I call
a silent watcher or a silent wolf in the way
that he observed people, he felt their energy and then
he was able to step through and then bring his performance.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
That's correct, That is correct. He was one of a kind.
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
He never drove a car, He never learned to drive
a car, he never learned to swim. He was he
was a character, but an amazing person, an amazing you know, father,
and amazing husband. I'm very I'm very fortunate. I mean,
I know it's sad that he died and everything, but
it's I'm very fortunate that for twenty five years I
had that, you know, incredible love and person in my life.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
A lot of people don't even get that.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know, right right, it was meant to be. It's
almost like soulmates, the two passing ships in the middle
of the night.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Oh God.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
When I was in high school, I had I had
a Marx Brothers poster on my wall and I dressed
up with the Groucho Marx glasses and nose and mustache
for for my graduation picture.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
So it was kind of be.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
How did he land that performance with the Go Goos?
Because we kind of talked about it when we were
in the room, but we didn't. There was just way
too much going on that it' psych you know, he
put focus on it, but he didn't. But how did
how did he get on that stage with them?
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Well, he was getting very popular in the eighties, you know,
and he did like you know Aladdin and Beverly Well,
Aladdin was later, but Beverly Hills cop two and blah
blah blah. So he was at to open for the
for the Go Gos and he was in Long Island
and a big outdoor it was a summer, big outdoor stadium.
And they said to him, listen, Gilbert, there's gonna be
(12:11):
a lot of young girls here with their moms.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
You have to be clean. Do not do it.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
That is the worst thing they could have said to Gilbert,
the worst thing. The minute you say to him not
to do something, he would do it. So he just
was like, screw that. And he was so fearless. It
scared the hell out of me. Oh my god, it
gets I'm so scared. And you just went out there
and told every vulgar, vulgar joke you could think of.
(12:38):
And basically he ended up having to jump over the
fence that he ran off the stage and the course
thing did not invite him back.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Speaking of that stage, what was the situation, what was
the transition like for him to go from the side
of the stage to the center of the stage, Because
so many times creative people we have to be evolved,
we have to get into that person.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Basically, the second he would walk on stage, he just
became you know, that character that he was. It was
him though it was not even a character. It was
just him. It was just another side of him. But
he would close his eyes I think because he didn't
want to really look at the audience.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
No, I totally get that. I totally get that. But
let me ask you this question. Then, in the way
that Jim Carrey says that there's no such thing as
a Jim Carrey it's just a character, you say that
it's him. So basically, I mean Gilbert Godfrey was real,
where Jim Carrey says, no, I'm a character. I wasn't.
I'm not real.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
No, I mean I people would ask him, well, how
did you come up with this screening thing? He said,
it just was me. It just evolved. It just happened.
You know, I don't think it was intentional. It wasn't
like he was abut to create this character and he
put any thought into it.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Zero. No, it just happened because it was a part
of him that was it.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
You know, how did you win his heart over finally
because he was fifty one years.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Yeah, we dated for ten years before we had kids
and got married, and it was crazy. I think that Pendelette,
who was one of his best friends had just gotten
married and they are like six days apart, and he
saw him at that point, and I think finally someone
said to him, listen, you know you, Dara loves you
so much.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And finally, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Finally I stopped asking him and I just said, we're
getting married.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
That was it, basically, And I was like, all.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Right, I'm getting a ring. And he said to me,
he said, well, don't spend too much money. There's a
place I saw commercial on TV in Hackensack, New Jersey
where you could go and buy a cheap ring.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
He said, don't worry, I won't spend too much.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
To watch him at Pendulat's house, that had to have
been like a child in a candy store, because I mean,
you know, Penn with all of that stuff in his
house and to be that close with Gilbert is just
what a connection.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Oh, he was such a good friend.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Again, you know that since Gilbert died, there hasn't been
one day that Penn hasn't rid And to me, I'm
text me and am doing It's been two and a
half years. He hasn't missed one day. And actually the
kids and I just went to their house for Thanksgiving.
And told us some great, great stories. He said that
I didn't know this. He said, you know, Dara, when
Gilbert would take you to dinner, I used to call
(15:17):
the restaurant and give them my credit card.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh see, that's what friends do. That's that to me
is real? Family?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Is that great?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
So it seems like that you continue to learn new
things about Gilbert. I mean, first of all, I'm fascinated
by with the artwork, and then you just learned this
about the restaurant. What I mean, do you is it
is a fun thing for you when you find when
you find something new.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Oh yeah, I mean you know.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
That's why we made the documentary too, because he got
so much flak from doing when he told the jokes
about Aflac, he was new on Twitter.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I don't know if you know this story, the Aflac story.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I do, I do.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Oh that was crazy.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
I was like, he actually cried when he got fired
because he loves love doing that gig so much. He
was the Affleck Duck for eleven years. He did he
did a lot of birds, you know, Iago, the Cyberchase
digit but uh, he got so much flock from that,
and I wanted people to know that he was actually
a really good guy and family man, and uh so
(16:19):
we made the documentary about about that other side of him.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Well, this project right here is a handshake to those
that don't know Gilbert yet and will get to know him,
and those that have been with him all of these years,
like I have.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Mm hmm, absolutely, and I hope that people really enjoy
it and yeah, Gilbert Goodfred dot com and clown Jewels
dot com.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
But it's been fun.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
During the New York Comedy Festival, which was a couple
weeks ago, I produced a huge show at the at
the hard Rock to raise money for the charity and
to bring awareness and also to celebrate the album.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And it was super fun. I had on.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Stage Richard Kine and Judy Gold and Susie Esmond and
David Hell, Chevy Chase showed up and Paul Schaeffer and
it was just it was amazing. It was amazing, and
everyone just said greats, told great stories about Gilbert, and
I showed outtakes from the documentary that no one had
ever seen and it was really a special night.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
See that needs to happen to you. You need to
sit in a room with a microphone and share your
memories as well, and we're all sitting here shaking our
heads up and down, going yeah, yeah, that's it. That's
the dude that we were with that. Yeah, that's him.
And then and then when I hear all these other
stories from everybody else, is like, yeah, that's him.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
I think it's important when someone passes to keep their
lik you know, their their physical is gone, but their
their spirit I think lives on through memories and and
you know, I'm trying to do that.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I'm trying to He deserved that, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Now, let's talk biopic his or one or there's nobody
that could ever play Gilbert.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's funny.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
It's so funny because I just got a script last week.
My friend Alan read it just yeah, for two years
he's been writing the script and he just sent me
the new edit just this week.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I just read it.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
It's incredible, So we shall see.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So where can people go one more time to where
they can get the vinyl as well as the first
of all, the documentary. If you haven't seen it yet listeners,
then you have to because it shows him on stage
and you guys at home.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, it's funny looking back because I mean, the kids
were so little that it's crazy. It came out, and
it came out in twenty seventeen. It debuted at the
Tribeca Film Festival. And the funny story about that is
that Neil Berkeley, who made the documentary, we have a
mutual friend. And he was having lunch with that friend
(18:47):
and he said to her, she said, well, what is
what do you want? What's your next project going to be?
And he said, well, I've always wanted to make a
documentary about Gilbert Godfrey and she said, you know that
his wife is my best friend.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And story short.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
For two years, he asked Gilbert to make this and
Gilbert's like, no documentaries are for when you're dead.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I'm not doing it. He wouldn't give me an answer,
and I finally just.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Said to Melle, just come and if he you know,
if he sends you home, he sends you home. Otherwise
just stick around. And the first scene of the documentary,
he gets in. He walks into the apartment and Gilbert's
in his bathroom and he's iron and Gilbert and he
and he said to Gilbert, he said to Gilbert, do
you know who I am? And Gilbert's like, I have
no idea, No, I have no idea anymore. He's stuck
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around with Gilbert didn't sign the contract until after he
saw the movie.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Oh my god, what was it? What was it like
for him to watch it? I mean you're sitting next
to him, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Oh. He was so thrilled.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
And what he was really really really happy about is
that his sister was in the documentary and his sister
had His sister got to see it in al of
twenty seventeen in Tribeca, and then she passed away that August.
So he was so so grateful that she A light
was shown on her because she was an incredible street photographer.
(20:13):
Very talented family, very very talented family.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Wow, where can we go to find out more about
the Misotonic dystrophe as well as the album with the
sketches in it and everything? Because I want them to
tap into your energy.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Oh, thank you so much. Well. Two links.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
One is for the vinyl and that's for the record company,
which is Clown Clown Jewles j E w e ls
dot com clown Jewels dot com. For the limited edition vinyl.
There's only a few left and it makes a great
holiday gift. And blah blah blah, and then go to
Gilbert Goodfrey dot com to purchase his artwork new T
(20:50):
shirts that I made, watch my daughter's documentary and learn
more about the charity and donate money.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
To the charity.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Wow, you got to come back to the show anytime
in the future. The doors always get to be open
for you.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
This was really fun. I appreciate the time and what
a great interview. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Well, I can't wait to marry the interview I had
with with Gilbert and this one together because I think
they belong together.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
You might need earplugs. Ear plugs for.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Having Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Thank you. Please do not move. Jackie Ching from crunchy
roll is coming up next. Hey, thanks for coming back
to my day of play. Let's get into that talk
with Jackie Jing from crunchy roll.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Hey, Aero, real quick, we're going to go ahead and
connect you with Jackie.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I just want to give your heads up.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
We have a live hit right behind you, so if
you can be out by thirty eight, we would appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I love it, Thank you fantastic. I give us a second.
She has just had a little sneeze attack.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Give us one moment.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Hi Erow, how are you doing today?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Hi'm you know it's early for me, but I'm ready
to rock and talk anime.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Oh you're talking my world. When you say you're ready
to rock, you're on my street.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh yay, Okay, well let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
What anime is finally becoming that big thing. It's no
longer a little pocket group kind of thing, or that
little secret service or anything like that. I mean, it's
finally becoming an institution all over the world.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You are not wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I mean, okay, listen to this number and tell me
if this doesn't shock you. But Crunchy Role has millions
of users, fifty million premium users, and I think that
number just shocks me. Like when I was growing up,
I'm very open about this. I was bullied, I was ostracized,
And now I mean I go to these conventions and
(22:42):
it is packed with thousands of people.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
We are a beautiful community and we are growing. There
was some.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Crazy statistic I saw on polygon dot com that says
like forty three percent of gen z and watches anime.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Is that Is that not wild?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
So just you know, throwing some nerdy numbers at you.
But anime is growing rapidly, and I just it's so
it's so near and dear in my heart. So I
love seeing it.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Well, I love the theaters that are starting to have
anime festivals because I know that Regal Stonecrest here in Charlotte,
they they did for several months. That's all they showed
were animes.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I mean, why wouldn't they be.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
You need to get an anime arrow ero, like, tell me,
tell me what's your vibe.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I'm going to give you an anime wreck.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
My vibe is it's storytelling. It's it's all about, you know,
making connections, bringing people together for that ability and and
people that are filled with art. I want others to
learn about them as well, so they too can bring
out their art form. So that's my superpower.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
Ooh, I'm feeling heartfelt. Adventure and Pirates for you would
be a good recommendation. So you need to check out
one piece. Okay, that's my recommendation for you.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I love that that Funko Pop is a part of
this because I mean I've been with those guys. Oh
my god, they totally get it, and I think they're
doing their major part of how anime is becoming three dimensional.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, I mean Funko Pop.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
We have one of the Crunchy Role exclusives that we're
really pushing is the bleach Ichigo Funko Pop and you know,
they work very closely with Crunchy Roll and Funko Pops
are all the rage right now with anime fans.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
The really cool thing about the.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Anime fandom is that we're all very different. Like some
people like a subtle hat, some people just like a pin.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Some people want to be.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Wearing a shirt that has their favorite character's big.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Fat head on it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
So like Funko Pops, though, are are figure that many
many anime fans are definitely attracted to.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So, I mean, they're cute. I love them.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Don't you think that part of the success of Crunchy
Role is the fact that the prices are not scary,
that it's approachable for every single fan.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Okay, I'm so happy you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Because Crunchy Role they have affordable stalking stuffers.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And then if you're like a hardcore collector.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I mean, you can't see me right now, but I'm
sitting next to this one piece Monkey Deloafy Portrait of
Pirates Figure Gear five version. Yes, that is the full name,
because that is how elegant and beautiful this piece is.
And I wish I could show you the detail and
it's huge, you know, like it's so much bigger.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Than what you would think.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
And that's the thing I was kind of talking about
earlier is that, hey, maybe you're just someone who likes
to have a little pen, a little detail, or maybe
you're someone who's like a massive collector and you have
just a giant shell filled with major figurings. That figuring
I was talking about is like roughly a two hundred
and fifty bucks and then you have the funk O Pop,
which is.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Like ninety ninety nine. So yeah, Crunchy roll. Everything you talk.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You talk about those pins. And the one thing that
I have to giggle about because people wear those pins
like their awards. I mean, they collect them, they wear them,
they sport around, you know, because they want to start
that conversation with somebody that can relate with them.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
It's really interesting because I know I talked about this earlier,
but I was, like I said, bullied for liking anime,
watching anime and I would wear T shirts and like
I would literally get ready ridiculed. And now I love
when I'm wearing a shirt and someone's like, hey, dragon.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Ball Z or like Sailor Milt. I love Sallermon.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And it's like you said, it's a way that we
connect to each other, and it is. It is like
a kind of a badge of honor, you know, like
we're like you instantly see someone wearing a straw hat,
loofy hat, or like we said, like maybe it's like
a backpack or something more subtle, and you just instantly
vibe with them. Or sometimes you're like that anime was
dark and I was not a fan, how.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Could you be about that life?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
But like you just have these great conversations with each
other and it's so funny. I think it went from
kind of being something that I was like, man, like,
maybe I shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Wear this out.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
So my closet has more than fifty anime shirts alone.
That's not even going into my jackets or my pants
or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Or we haven't even touched figures, you know, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Wow, yeah, I'm gonna be looking at everybody's arms when
it comes to that forty fifth anniversary watch, because I
think that's gonna be a big seller very quickly.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, it's funny you talk about arms. I have a
couple anime tattoos myself, so you know.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Well, no people are wearing it with pride. I mean,
you can go into an ink shop right now and
say that and nobody's gonna sit there and say what, No,
they go list.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I totally agree. Yeah, I totally agree. Ero, we got
to get you an anime. You're gonna try out one.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Piece, right, wouldn't that be fun?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You've got to you know.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
The other thing I wanted to talk about right now
is if you're a last minute shopper there and you're
you know, someone who's an anime fan, they have these
really fun merry mystery bags. They're twenty five bucks and
it's this really cool surprise. You could get figures, Blu rays, DVDs, plushies,
and so if there's an anime fan in your life,
I think that's such a great gift because it's just
(27:54):
kind of this bundle of fun. So I just wanted
to make sure I said that in case any anime
fans are less name. And also, I don't know about
y'all but I'm a last minute shopper, so it's really
exciting to see that Crunchy Role has this thing. You
can place orders by December fifteenth and you're guaranteed delivery
by December twenty fourth, and they also got one day
and two day shipping, so you know what, We're ready.
(28:15):
Anime fans, get your stuff from Crunchy Role.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Where can people go to become a part of the
Crunchy Role community.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Honestly, I would say go to crunchyroll dot com. You
know that's great, follow them on all of the socials
as well, like super interactive communicative community, so that would
be where to begin, and then if you need some recommendations,
hit me up.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
There you go. Well, you got to come back to
this show anytime in the future because the door is
always going to be open for you.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Jackie, Okay, you're going to watch One Piece and then
bring me back just to let you know.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Though it has more than a thousand episodes.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I love it. I'm addicted to One Piece, let me
tell you that right now. The live action as well
as the OH. I love everything the anime and everything
is just so perfectly in tune with our worlds.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Oh my gosh, that makes me so happy to hear.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
We'll get you into animeal chotlie or that love it.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Will you be brilliant today? Okay you too, by ero,
please do not move. Alan Cozen and Adrian Sinclair are
talking Paul McCartney coming up next. Hey, thanks for coming
back to my day of play. Let's get into that
conversation about Paul McCartney with Alan Cozen and Adrian Sinclair. Hello,
(29:26):
and good morning everybody.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Morning Hoky fresh please find gentlemen, are all yours until
herd out at thirty two?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Excellent, good morning you two. First of all, thank you
so much for finally giving me my Paul McCarty. I
realized that he was part of this band called the Beatles,
but I didn't get into Paul McCartney until I became
a preteen. And so finally a book that talks about
my Paul McCartney.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
That so good to hear.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And the thing about this book, you really give us
an opportunity to study. I mean it's like you were
students and now you're taking your lesson and you're giving
it to us to say, go learn something because you're
going to.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Well yeah, I mean we wanted to show in great
detail how he worked, how he did what he did.
And so you know, we've taken the recording sessions and
the songs completely apart, put them back together, and ideally
showed everyone how it happened and why it works.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, because so many times in his interviews he's so nonchalant,
you know, when it comes to this, the song just
happened to come together. We were working deada out and
I say, Paul, there's a deeper story there. And that's
what I'm getting from this book is the fact that
I can go deeper as a fan as well as
a student.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
I mean, we found out all kinds of crazy stories
that you would never conceive to be true. But we
were told by and record an engineer, for example, that
when they were working on the album Wings at the
Speed of Sound, Paul was inspired by Bohemian Rhapsody, which
was you know, flying in the charts over an England
and to write or to record silly love songs. Now
(31:04):
you would never put those two songs even on the
same page together, you know, musically, but you know, Paul was,
you know, inspired by what another artist was doing in
the studio to try and do something different himself, you know,
and it took him off in a different direction. And
I think that there are so many examples across our
(31:24):
two volumes that you can read about of, you know,
how Paul's music came about and why.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
See, I always thought that Bohemian Rhapsody was inspired because
of Uncle Albert, because I mean the way with all
the different you know, levels of performance in that, and
I thought, oh, they're just borrowing from Paul McCartney.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
That's really interesting. I never thought of it that way,
but I see what you mean.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
And you know, once we found out that Bohemian Rhapsody
was his inspiration for Silly Love Songs, and began to
look at, okay, well, why what do these two songs
possibly have in common?
Speaker 7 (31:59):
And well, you know, they're both very.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Episodic, they both do an awful lot with a vocal counterpoint,
and you know, there really are a number of elements
they share as different as.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
They sound from each other.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
And it's just amazing the degree to which Paul can
listen to something and find a McCartney.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
Style solution to doing that himself.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
And this is Silly Love Songs is a great example
of that.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I love the way that you guys step into the
world of you know, when when disco, punk and new
wave we're all coming together and then here comes Sir
Paul McCartney with a vision of his own, and you
really do give us that map to his understanding of it.
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Yeah, I mean, Paul has always been like that. He's
a musical magpie. I mean you mentioned un Kalal, but
Admiral Halsey and a recole. You know, we found out
that Paul, you know, came up with the name Admiral
Halsey because he read it on a movie post for
the film Tora Torah.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
You know.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
So Paul's always plucking things from the world around him
and then they come out through his music. Very much
so in what was going on in the music scene,
you know in Britain and America with the emergence of
punk and new wave and electronica, Paul is one of
those guys who thinks, well, why can't I have a.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Go at that?
Speaker 9 (33:22):
So he gives us, you know, good Night Tonight or
back to the Egg album, which is like his punk album.
And McCartney too, was, you know, Paul trying electronica and
that's kind of been a theme in Paul's music. I
suppose you know, throughout his solo career.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I didn't realize that he was a science fiction writer
until I read your book. I was taken back by that.
I'm going out, my god, how come I don't have
in any of his books in my house.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Well, he was more a science fiction reader and.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Fan of it. So when he was on vacation in Jamaica,
just before going to New Orleans to do Venus in Mars,
he was reading, he got a stack of Marvel comics,
and he's reading Isaac Asimov's Foundation trilogy, and he decided
(34:17):
that he wanted to do a movie for Wings, you know,
because the Beatles had Hard Day's Night and help.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
This is his new group. It would be nice to
have a movie.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
And he came up with this idea for a science
fiction story in which an alternate a group of space
aliens come down and sort of morph into a copy
of Wings, and sort of the plot is sort of
in a way, the battle between the real Wings and
the space alien Wings. And he decided that he wanted
(34:49):
some help with this, so he arranged to meet with
Isaac Asimov and he and Asimov disgusted Asimov looked a
over Paul's treatment and wrote sort of a revised treatment
of his own where he changed the nature of the
space aliens and did a number of other things as
(35:10):
Asimov is wont to do and sent it back to Paul, and.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Paul sort of didn't want to do it quite the
way Asimov did.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
So when Asimov filed his papers with the Boston Music
Boston University Library, we found a copy of his treatment
in there, which he scrolled across the top. Nothing came
of this, because Paul McCartney doesn't recognize good stuff.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
And then he worked with Gene Roddenberry. He wanted Gene Roddenberry.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
To pick up the same idea and make a film
of that, and really nothing came of that either, because.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
Paul was also a science.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Fiction film fan, and once he saw things like Close
Encounters and Star Wars of realized that, you know, technically,
these films presented spaceships and space aliens and all of that,
you know, in a way far beyond you know, what
Star Trek had, and sort of Paul just sort of
(36:13):
lost his taste for the idea and sort of went
in a different direction.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
But yeah, he I think he remains a sci fi
fan to this day.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
There's so many things about Paul McCartney that just mesmerizes me.
And I think one of the things that's still with
me even today is when he started appearing on MTV
and he was playing all the musical instruments, and that
to me that he was like my Marvel character at
that point in time, because it was like, I've never
seen anybody do what he was doing in that video.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
Yeah, I think that was the video for coming Up. Yes,
you know, they had to you know, use green screen
or probably blue screen back in the day to film
Paul playing you know, twelve different instruments drums and back
in vocals. And I think Linda was the only other
person who appeared in that video. But yeah, that was
quite groundbreaking video at the time actually, and I think
(37:03):
even got the attention of you know one John Lennon,
who you know is said to have been influenced by
that song to get back in the studio himself.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Oh wow, speaking of John, and I don't I don't
want to you know, create a ruckus here, but I'm
learning through your book that he didn't like Band on
the Run. I did not know that. I just thought
that everybody loves that song.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
Yeah, well, I think there was perhaps a little bit
of showmanship there really, you know that they were, you know,
to give it some context for your listeners. You know,
they were having dinner John and Ringo with their partners,
and John made some flippant comment about Paul's latest record
and then played frisbee with it. But yeah, I think
(37:46):
there was there was always, you know, a friendly competition
between the two of them, you know, and seemingly their
relationship in nineteen seventy four when that happened did warm.
So I think that was possibly more playful and you know,
maybe a sort of jealous swipe his own bandmate rather
than anything that was done out of fight.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I got to give you a compliment on this book
in the way that I've always told people they go,
who would you not want to interview? And I've always
said Paul McCartney, And the reason why is because what
would he say that he hasn't already said? And then
your book arrived and it's like, you know what, these
guys found something to pull out and to share with
the history. It's like you have You've got such a
gold mine here, guys.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
But you know, I'll tell you I've interviewed Paul McCartney
a few times, and you know what I found is
that if you really do the research, you read all
those interviews that he's done, and you ask the questions
that won't allow him to tell you that he dreamed
yesterday or the gambling lambs, well why he became vegetarian.
If you ask other questions, he is actually a really,
(38:53):
really good interview and doesn't repeat all those stories.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
So you should do it someday.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I would love to now because I'll how I've been
able to get Paul McCartney story. I go to the
musicians that have been with him, you know, Brian and Lawrence.
I mean, it's like and man, everybody's got a story.
Speaker 7 (39:10):
Absolutely Well, you know you were too.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
If you spent you spent all this time touring with
Paul or working with Paul, a lot of these stories
would sort of stick in your mind and just waiting
for a couple of people like us to come along
and ask him.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So now I've seen Paul four times, I could see
him six more, ten more times as well. What about
you guys?
Speaker 9 (39:31):
Yeah, well I'm actually going to see Paul on Saturday
in Manchester in England. Yeah, and it's the first time
I'll have seen him in a few years and I'm
really looking forward to it. I've been trying really hard
not to look at his set list, but it just
seems to be everywhere on social media right now. But yeah,
I'm expecting a few surprises and I'm really hoping he
plays something Christmas y this weekend. Last time I saw him,
(39:54):
last time I saw him in London around this time
of the year, he played wonderful Christmas Time and then
the very end of the concert, a pipe band came
on and they played mullikin Tire and it was mind blowing.
So I'm set in My sight's quite high, you know,
my expectations pretty high for this weekend.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Mulloy looking forward to it. Mull of Kintyre, Oh my god,
if you just brought back so many childhood memories of mine,
where I would I would pretend I was Paul McCartney
on the piano and then I would just sit there
and sing as loud as I could when that song
was plain.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
Yeah, there's a lot about that song in the book.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
Because he had a studio built on his farm in
Scotland specifically to record that, and he gave the designer
one month to build it and he managed to do it,
and you know, and then and recorded it with the
pipe band, and we have a lot of detail about
how it was done and then the making of the
(40:49):
video and everything.
Speaker 7 (40:51):
So if that's a favorite of yours, you'll like those
sections in book.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Where can people go to find out more about you guys,
because I mean this is volume TiO. I know you're
probably already working on volume three.
Speaker 9 (41:04):
Yeah. Well, we've got a website which is the McCartney
legacy dot com and our book, our second book, is
out today in all good bookstores or you can pick
up an ebook copy of it or an audiobook today.
And yeah, we're really hoping to get volume three into
people's hands as quickly as possible put it, but it
(41:26):
may take a little longer to put the next book
together than the last two.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Well, I can't thank you enough for this book. Please
come back to this show anytime in the future, you.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
Guys, thanks for having us this time.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Be back, you'd be brilliant. Okay, thanks so much too.
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