November 28, 2025 • 9 mins
Pod Crashing episode 4:17 with Anna Signa Nicolazzi from the Law And Order podcast season 2. An investigative audio series that explores how murder is tried in America through examining the cases that set the precedent. For over three decades, the Law and Order franchise has provided a glimpse into the American legal system. Beyond the drama, the show has reflected the evolution of how cases are tried in our courts of law. In this series, we delve into some of the most influential real-life cases that shaped the current justice system through the lens of New York City. Host Anna-Sigga Nicolazzi leads a team of experts in dissecting what went wrong and right in NYC's landmark trials. From the first high-profile organized crime convictions to introducing DNA as evidence, we're digging into the cases that changed the rules. Each season of the series will cover one subsect of criminal law, tackling multiple cases throughout the city's history to understand how elements of the modern trial have come to be. From the battle to bring down the American Mafia to tactics including undercover operations, wiretaps, and plea bargains, listeners will understand all of the tools and strategies that prosecution and defense work with when lives hang in the balance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One of the biggest shows on television is NBC's The Voice.
I've been blessed with the opportunity to share conversations with
those that have participated since twenty sixteen. Where can you
get them ero dot net A R r Oe dot net.
Look for the podcast that's titled That Voice. Hey, I
want to thank you for coming back to the conversation.
Let's do some pod crashing. Episode number four seventeen is
(00:22):
with Anna Signet Nicolazzi from the podcast Law and Order
season two, and I got to tell you something. A
year ago, we all got together and we shared a
conversation about the podcast. We're going, Oh my god, how
is this even possible. We're so used to seeing it
on TV. You guys have made it to a podcast
this season. I actually feel inside my heart the TV
show needs to learn from what you're doing. Because I'm
(00:44):
able to move throughout the house, move throughout the office
and not miss a beat. It's in the art of listening,
and that's the stage that you have built.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Thank you. That is the beauty of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You know, for someone that used to be in the courtroom,
having to talk directly to people and as you point it,
out like that is with television. You have to be
focused because it's not just what you hear, it's what
you see. And I think that is why podcasts have exploded,
because to your point, you could be doing something in
the house, you could be commuting to work, you could
be going for a run or whatever you're doing, but
(01:17):
you can get totally absorbed and not miss a thing
in the story that you're telling. And I really think
that is very freeing to people, and it certainly well
worked well for us, and I also think it sounds good.
Like I personally like to listen to podcasts in the car.
It's my favorite place, and there's just something very immersive
about it. And just I find myself sometimes getting into
these stories, whether it's my own for research or hearing
(01:41):
other people tell them for other podcasts, that I walk
away with a deeper something than when I see it
on TVA, like I'm more vested somehow.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I swear to God that I sound like my grandmother.
My grandmother would never really speak words, she would just
sit there and go and I do that all the time.
But I think that's because the imagination can't see the
facial expressions. Therefore we feel the emotion even more with
podcasts such as Law and Order.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I think that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
And I think that when you and also it's like
you read a newspaper and you hear your story like, Okay,
this is what it says. You watch it on television
and it's put together, you know, in a twelve second
clip or the way that someone wants it portrayed. But
when you are hearing from people that directly work these cases,
or that we're impacted by these crimes with obviously the
storytelling that I give is around it, it does like
(02:35):
it you when you can see someone smile without seeing
their face, because you can see it in there. You
could hear it in their voice. I think you can
hear a raw emotion that impacts you differently when that
is all that you have, as opposed to the visual,
which can be distracting. So I also think that it
is really it can pull you in in a different way.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
One of the things that you cover on this brand
new season is terrorism in America. Now, now I'm old
enough to remember that. When I was back in elementary school,
I remember my science teacher telling me that terrorism is
now in America, and that scared the bejebis out of
me and it's gotten worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Agreed, So we did them.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
We looked at The Mafia last season, and then we
kept saying, you know, terrorism, a lot of people don't
focus on it because again, you don't want to fear
a longer and how people say like, I don't want
to get out of bed with all the badness that's
around me. We're like, you know, what, these things are happening,
and maybe we can talk about it in a different way,
because I do think the best way to prevent things
in the future is to understand them now. And we
really said, like, let's look at how terrorism has evolved
(03:39):
and how the criminal justice system in particular has also
evolved to tackle it as we've seen it all of
a sudden on American soil, which really started in the seventies.
A lot of terrorism back then was focused on making
a statement, you know, blowing up a building but purposely
with no one in it, you know, all awful damage.
But then it started to transform, you know, nineteen seventy five,
(04:01):
when it was LaGuardia Airport or the Fonces Tavern, New
York City. Two people now are being targeted in these attacks,
and we all know unfortunately as recently as it even
in the last few weeks, in the last years, it's
only increased exponentially, and it is figuring out, you know,
looking at how it's evolved and how law enforcement has
(04:24):
to has had to evolve to try to tackle the threat.
But you know, also the thing that I loved when
we were doing is looking at all the cases that
we never heard about because law enforcement got there before
the attack happened, and they are doing that every day.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
So you bring up something that is so important here
is that at one point in time it was radical groups.
Now it's lone wolves. And when you sit back and
look at that, you're going, oh, well, wow, now I
have to start watching people.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Or a person right to your point, who maybe is
sitting in their room ruminating, you know, whatever they're watching
or listening to via social media and writing in a book,
and there isn't a group to try to find that
thread of one that it really has changed the game,
and certainly not for the better. And it's been talking
(05:12):
to members of law enforcement about this different shift in
radicalizing that really, unfortunately, the Internet has made much easier
for people that are vulnerable or more inclined to kind
of tilt their ideology and their beliefs into this kind
of twisted sense of what they need, which is what
(05:33):
most think they need to be doing this to further
their goals, and it's much harder to tackle it before
they strike.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Please do not move. There's more with Anna coming up
next the name of the podcast Law and Order Criminal
Justice System. We are back with Anna. But you know what,
though in a really weird way, only because I've been
a daily writer since July of nineteen ninety four. So
when I hear that people put all of their thoughts
into the paper, good, I'm glad you're kidding it on paper.
But the problem is, though, we're also creating a disaster
(06:02):
when it comes to people fearing putting things on paper,
believing that the interpreter will come by and think that
they were writing something bad about somebody.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, writing is a
great relief.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
As someone who wrote, you know, forever, I love journaling,
and I think it's a great way to if you're
mad about something and you write it down, you can
feel better. Right.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
But here it's almost in the inverse and but that's right.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
All this stuff is so layered, right, which is also
I'm not in the courtroom prosecuting these cases, but I'm
still it's the thing I care most about, which is
why I think I continue to try to talk about
them now in podcasting, is because there's so many things
that people should be thinking about. There's so many of
these men and women people that work in this world
that they should hear from and know about. It's the
people that are impacted that I want you to hear
(06:46):
directly from as supposed to just have someone else talk
about it on television. Because I also think in community
and remembering that hopefully we should be a community, which
sometimes we're too divided. I think for different reasons, it's
the best way to make things better. Yeah, I'm still
a believer in the glass is more full than empty,
even though I work in a very dark world.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
I'm a broadcast instructor. I have used your podcast as
a great example for so many reasons, And the main
important reason is not only the writing, because you have
to write everything down, but it's the pace, the pitch,
the volume, the tone, the pausing, and that you guys
have mastered that art.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Who gets credit for that.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Does that come naturally to you or is that your
director saying, ah, bring it down, bring it down.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It takes a village.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I think it is the person that you never hear
about is the person that is editing it in the
back room to make sure that it is spaced the
right way. It's on my end, it's having spoken to
people and knowing just the way that you intonate your voice,
because it's that you need people to absorb the information
you're giving them. It is our amazing producers and writers
that get it all down, and I do think it's
(07:51):
a sum of all our parts that make it what
it is. And it's certainly a group that I'm proud
to work with. And I think, as it would all
Wolf products, they make sure that they's it's no holds barred,
you know, to try to get it right and to
try to give the audience the best experience, because I.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Mean, you guys have really mastered the art of not
just you know, putting out there a storyline, but you'll
make a statement and the statement comes out in such
a way that, I mean, here's a good example, the
threat that hides in plain sight. I'm still holding onto
that and it was in the fewest amount of words,
and yet the impact is still with me.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I mean, you know better than anyone. Like it's the
art of the word right.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Words are powerful when used wisely, and when we don't
give too many And says the lawyer who can tend
to overtalk, you know, it's like less is more sometimes,
and we lawyers in particular need to remember that. And
I think that's how people absorb information. It's the language
you use, it's the way you talk to them. But
I'm also a believer in straight talk, which is what
(08:54):
I've really loved about partnering with iHeart and Wolf Entertainment
for Criminal Justice, for law and order, because they too,
it's like, just tell the story the way it happened,
tell it straight, you know. We don't need to embellish
because it's very it's interesting, it's exciting in its true
to life form.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
You got to come back to this show anytime in
the future. I love where your heart is and I
love how you are bringing the story forward in real conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Thank you, I appreciate it and really nice talking to you.
Thank you so much for having me today.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Okay, thank you,
One of the biggest shows on television is NBC's The Voice.
I've been blessed with the opportunity to share conversations with
those that have participated since twenty sixteen. Where can you
get them ero dot net A R r Oe dot net.
Look for the podcast that's titled That Voice. Hey, I
want to thank you for coming back to the conversation.
Let's do some pod crashing. Episode number four seventeen is
(00:22):
with Anna Signet Nicolazzi from the podcast Law and Order
season two, and I got to tell you something. A
year ago, we all got together and we shared a
conversation about the podcast. We're going, Oh my god, how
is this even possible. We're so used to seeing it
on TV. You guys have made it to a podcast
this season. I actually feel inside my heart the TV
show needs to learn from what you're doing. Because I'm
(00:44):
able to move throughout the house, move throughout the office
and not miss a beat. It's in the art of listening,
and that's the stage that you have built.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Thank you. That is the beauty of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You know, for someone that used to be in the courtroom,
having to talk directly to people and as you point it,
out like that is with television. You have to be
focused because it's not just what you hear, it's what
you see. And I think that is why podcasts have exploded,
because to your point, you could be doing something in
the house, you could be commuting to work, you could
be going for a run or whatever you're doing, but
(01:17):
you can get totally absorbed and not miss a thing
in the story that you're telling. And I really think
that is very freeing to people, and it certainly well
worked well for us, and I also think it sounds good.
Like I personally like to listen to podcasts in the car.
It's my favorite place, and there's just something very immersive
about it. And just I find myself sometimes getting into
these stories, whether it's my own for research or hearing
(01:41):
other people tell them for other podcasts, that I walk
away with a deeper something than when I see it
on TVA, like I'm more vested somehow.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I swear to God that I sound like my grandmother.
My grandmother would never really speak words, she would just
sit there and go and I do that all the time.
But I think that's because the imagination can't see the
facial expressions. Therefore we feel the emotion even more with
podcasts such as Law and Order.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I think that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
And I think that when you and also it's like
you read a newspaper and you hear your story like, Okay,
this is what it says. You watch it on television
and it's put together, you know, in a twelve second
clip or the way that someone wants it portrayed. But
when you are hearing from people that directly work these cases,
or that we're impacted by these crimes with obviously the
storytelling that I give is around it, it does like
(02:35):
it you when you can see someone smile without seeing
their face, because you can see it in there. You
could hear it in their voice. I think you can
hear a raw emotion that impacts you differently when that
is all that you have, as opposed to the visual,
which can be distracting. So I also think that it
is really it can pull you in in a different way.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
One of the things that you cover on this brand
new season is terrorism in America. Now, now I'm old
enough to remember that. When I was back in elementary school,
I remember my science teacher telling me that terrorism is
now in America, and that scared the bejebis out of
me and it's gotten worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Agreed, So we did them.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
We looked at The Mafia last season, and then we
kept saying, you know, terrorism, a lot of people don't
focus on it because again, you don't want to fear
a longer and how people say like, I don't want
to get out of bed with all the badness that's
around me. We're like, you know, what, these things are happening,
and maybe we can talk about it in a different way,
because I do think the best way to prevent things
in the future is to understand them now. And we
really said, like, let's look at how terrorism has evolved
(03:39):
and how the criminal justice system in particular has also
evolved to tackle it as we've seen it all of
a sudden on American soil, which really started in the seventies.
A lot of terrorism back then was focused on making
a statement, you know, blowing up a building but purposely
with no one in it, you know, all awful damage.
But then it started to transform, you know, nineteen seventy five,
(04:01):
when it was LaGuardia Airport or the Fonces Tavern, New
York City. Two people now are being targeted in these attacks,
and we all know unfortunately as recently as it even
in the last few weeks, in the last years, it's
only increased exponentially, and it is figuring out, you know,
looking at how it's evolved and how law enforcement has
(04:24):
to has had to evolve to try to tackle the threat.
But you know, also the thing that I loved when
we were doing is looking at all the cases that
we never heard about because law enforcement got there before
the attack happened, and they are doing that every day.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
So you bring up something that is so important here
is that at one point in time it was radical groups.
Now it's lone wolves. And when you sit back and
look at that, you're going, oh, well, wow, now I
have to start watching people.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Or a person right to your point, who maybe is
sitting in their room ruminating, you know, whatever they're watching
or listening to via social media and writing in a book,
and there isn't a group to try to find that
thread of one that it really has changed the game,
and certainly not for the better. And it's been talking
(05:12):
to members of law enforcement about this different shift in
radicalizing that really, unfortunately, the Internet has made much easier
for people that are vulnerable or more inclined to kind
of tilt their ideology and their beliefs into this kind
of twisted sense of what they need, which is what
(05:33):
most think they need to be doing this to further
their goals, and it's much harder to tackle it before
they strike.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Please do not move. There's more with Anna coming up
next the name of the podcast Law and Order Criminal
Justice System. We are back with Anna. But you know what,
though in a really weird way, only because I've been
a daily writer since July of nineteen ninety four. So
when I hear that people put all of their thoughts
into the paper, good, I'm glad you're kidding it on paper.
But the problem is, though, we're also creating a disaster
(06:02):
when it comes to people fearing putting things on paper,
believing that the interpreter will come by and think that
they were writing something bad about somebody.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, writing is a
great relief.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
As someone who wrote, you know, forever, I love journaling,
and I think it's a great way to if you're
mad about something and you write it down, you can
feel better. Right.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
But here it's almost in the inverse and but that's right.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
All this stuff is so layered, right, which is also
I'm not in the courtroom prosecuting these cases, but I'm
still it's the thing I care most about, which is
why I think I continue to try to talk about
them now in podcasting, is because there's so many things
that people should be thinking about. There's so many of
these men and women people that work in this world
that they should hear from and know about. It's the
people that are impacted that I want you to hear
(06:46):
directly from as supposed to just have someone else talk
about it on television. Because I also think in community
and remembering that hopefully we should be a community, which
sometimes we're too divided. I think for different reasons, it's
the best way to make things better. Yeah, I'm still
a believer in the glass is more full than empty,
even though I work in a very dark world.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
I'm a broadcast instructor. I have used your podcast as
a great example for so many reasons, And the main
important reason is not only the writing, because you have
to write everything down, but it's the pace, the pitch,
the volume, the tone, the pausing, and that you guys
have mastered that art.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Who gets credit for that.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Does that come naturally to you or is that your
director saying, ah, bring it down, bring it down.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It takes a village.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I think it is the person that you never hear
about is the person that is editing it in the
back room to make sure that it is spaced the
right way. It's on my end, it's having spoken to
people and knowing just the way that you intonate your voice,
because it's that you need people to absorb the information
you're giving them. It is our amazing producers and writers
that get it all down, and I do think it's
(07:51):
a sum of all our parts that make it what
it is. And it's certainly a group that I'm proud
to work with. And I think, as it would all
Wolf products, they make sure that they's it's no holds barred,
you know, to try to get it right and to
try to give the audience the best experience, because I.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Mean, you guys have really mastered the art of not
just you know, putting out there a storyline, but you'll
make a statement and the statement comes out in such
a way that, I mean, here's a good example, the
threat that hides in plain sight. I'm still holding onto
that and it was in the fewest amount of words,
and yet the impact is still with me.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I mean, you know better than anyone. Like it's the
art of the word right.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Words are powerful when used wisely, and when we don't
give too many And says the lawyer who can tend
to overtalk, you know, it's like less is more sometimes,
and we lawyers in particular need to remember that. And
I think that's how people absorb information. It's the language
you use, it's the way you talk to them. But
I'm also a believer in straight talk, which is what
(08:54):
I've really loved about partnering with iHeart and Wolf Entertainment
for Criminal Justice, for law and order, because they too,
it's like, just tell the story the way it happened,
tell it straight, you know. We don't need to embellish
because it's very it's interesting, it's exciting in its true
to life form.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
You got to come back to this show anytime in
the future. I love where your heart is and I
love how you are bringing the story forward in real conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Thank you, I appreciate it and really nice talking to you.
Thank you so much for having me today.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Okay, thank you,
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