November 4, 2025 • 9 mins
EXPEDITION UNKNOWN kicks off the new season with a groundbreaking two-part adventure inside Egypt’s Great Pyramid. With exclusive access to one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, Gates unravels long-held conspiracy theories about how this marvel of engineering was truly built. Using first-of-its-kind 3D scans of a mysterious tunnel system, Gates executes a daring experiment to replicate the Pyramid’s construction, uncovering a labyrinth of secrets buried deep beneath the stone.Throughout the extraordinary new season, Gates leads viewers on high-stakes and off-the-map investigations. He teams up with Gold Rush’s Parker Schnabel to chase a multi-million dollar treasure from an infamous stagecoach heist, scours the Oregon coast on a real-life Goonies quest on the 40th anniversary of the iconic film, plunges into the icy Baltic Sea searching for a lost Nazi submarine and braves crocodile-infested waters in Nicaragua to hunt down Cornelius Vanderbilt’s lost steamship.In EXPEDITION FILES, Gates embarks on a time-travelling quest, taking us into the past to solve history’s most enduring mysteries. Gates reveals fresh evidence and striking, new revelations that could rewrite history as we know it. In the season premiere, Gates examines an explosive new theory about the fate of vanished Teamsters leader Jimmy Hoffa. He also reveals the extraordinary artifact that may finally end the age-old hunt for the Holy Grail and sets sail to unravel a maritime mystery – the disappearance of German inventor Rudolf Diesel, the man whose engines changed the world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, Aero, how are you fantastic? How are you doing today?
I'm doing great. What's going on? Well?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Do that poster behind you is everything that's going on?
Because you know, I thought I was the freak that
used to think that you are living, breathing Indiana Jones,
And that poster says, you know, dude, I'm not too
far off track.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I know, right. They make me look very adventurous on
that thing. I love it, But you are.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And that's the thing about it. I mean, I mean,
you've got five Expedition Files now Expedition Unknown. You are
so busy. I'm thinking you're the extraterrestrial.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah. They definitely keep me moving. I mean, between both
of those shows, I don't get a lot of downtime.
But I love it. I love exploring these stories. It's
really that these stories are so naturally exciting that, honestly,
it's just a thrill to go out and investigate them.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I would love to see the research on how many
people have been so inspired by your reasons for diving
into things, because I mean, even with chat GPT these days,
we're all investigating something and I do I feel like you,
Josh in so many different occasions.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think the human brain is
hardwired to love a mystery, right, We're all drawn to mysteries.
That's why true crime is so popular, and so these
stories we tackle on Expedition Unknown and Expedition Files. These
are like the ultimate mysteries in the world, right, The
Great Pyramid of Giza, the Holy Grail, the Salem witch Trials,
you know, I mean these are stories that we all know.
(01:39):
And what's so incredible about them is, you know, our
season premiere is on the Great Pyramid of Giza. Here's
a building that's four and a half millennia old, and
we're still learning things about it. There are still mysteries
to uncover.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You are so up to date with what's going on,
because I mean you you've got a story here on
Jimmy Hoffa and just yesterday I read an article about
how they're going to dig into the Jimmy Hoffa files
and it's like, oh my god, watch Josh first, then
follow that.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
There we go. Yeah, I mean, Haffa is another one
of these stories. You know, famous Teamsters union leader who
disappeared in nineteen seventy five. I mean, there has never been,
I think, a story with more conspiracies around it than
Jimmy Hoffa, who's supposedly everywhere from a landfill to underneath
you know, Giant Stadium and the concrete. And so we're
going to be talking about the latest updates and the
(02:26):
search for answers to the disappearance of Haffa.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So how do you kind of erase that feeling of,
oh my god, you could be that one that looks
into al Capones Safe and all of a sudden there's
nothing in there. Because that's my worst fear about Jimmy Hoffa.
I want some material, I want something here.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Totally. I totally agree with you. I mean, look, that's
always the risk and exploration is that you're going to
open that al capone safe and have nothing inside, but
nothing ventured, nothing gained, right, I mean for us, I
think on expedition are known. What's so lucky is that
wherever we go to these archaeological sites, whether they find
Object X or not, they're always uncovering incredible historic artifacts
(03:05):
and so we're always thrilled to be there at those
moments of discovery with them. But you know, we have
been very lucky over the years to work with you know,
terrific teams and experts and archaeologists to be there at
those moments of discovery so that we've got something to
show for our long journey.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So if we truly stop searching for the Holy Grail,
does that mean that we can no longer listen to
Justin Timberlake and jay Z with their Holy Grail?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I don't know. Maybe you know, the Grail is such
a fascinating object because it's this thing that really took
on a life later. You know, the Bible doesn't have
much to say about the Grail actually, and yet later
in medieval times it took on this huge significance and
has now become this really enduring symbol of Christianity. But
there's so much lore associated with this object. But it's
(03:56):
amazing how many vessels have been put forward throughout history
as the potential Grail. So on expedition files will be
digging into some of those different candidates for what may
be the Holy Grail.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Please do not move. There's more with Josh Gates coming
up next. He's got two shows that he's promoting, Expedition
Unknown and Expedition Files. We are back with Josh Gates.
I'm a firm believer that Rocks speak. I do sit
beside them because I think they're talking with me. So
when you go into the Great Pyramids and you're surrounded
by all of that, can you hear voices?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah? I have to say, you know, whether you're a
kind of spiritually minded person or not. And I don't
want to sound too woo wu, but there are places
in the world that you go to your point where
you absolutely feel whatever it is, the energy, the call
of history, the past. And I challenge anyone to go
into the heart of the Great Pyramid and stand in
(04:51):
that grand gallery and not feel totally haunted by the past.
I mean, it is a truly charged atmosphere there. And
it's no wonder that so many people have so many
wild conspiracies about the Great Pyramid, because it is this
place that just seems to radiate energy and mystery and
so absolutely rocks speak. I totally agree with you.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
One of the things that I find so fascinating with
you is that you go and dig for things that
have been long forgotten, but yet you make it an
everyday conversation. It's almost like a dear future reader moment
you It's like you're bringing something for us to plant
inside our today.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Ah, it's a great, thank you so much. It's a
very kind comment about that. I mean, yeah, Look, some
of these stories are super famous things like the Great Pyramid.
Other stories are things that maybe people have never heard of,
you know, including me. We're looking for a lost steamship
in the jungles of Nicaragua this season. That was part
of a planned Nicaragua Canal before the Panama Canal was built.
This was a pioneering vessel that was lost in the
(05:51):
in the jungles of Nicaragua, a story I knew nothing about.
We're on expedition files. We're going to be investigating the
disappearance of Rudolph Diesel. Time you've ever pulled up to
a diesel pumper or it's seen a diesel engine, it's
all thanks to this engineer, Rudolph Diesel, who vanished without
a trace, and his engines really changed the world. And
so a fascinating mystery that totally deserves our attention, that
(06:15):
folks maybe have never heard of. And so I love
those stories as well, all new mysteries to kind of
worm into our brains.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, you've planted in something inside of me right now
with this canal through Nicaragua.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Why why was it set aside?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I mean because I mean that that would really kind
of shorten the journey, would it not?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Totally? And I have to say, like when you look
at a map, a Nicaragua canal makes a lot of sense.
A lot of Nicaragua's made up of these huge lakes,
and so the amount of territory that you have to
actually blast through to make a canal is in some
ways less than what we did in Panama. And so
you know, it's one of these things that could have
been right. If history had gone a different way, it
(06:52):
may have been a Nicaragua canal instead of a Panama canal.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You're very authentic with when it comes to time travel,
and because because I ask a lot of people many times,
if you could time travel, would you go back? But
you can't take anything from today with you? Well, no,
I'm fine. I mean it's like people don't want to
go back unless they can take today with them.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh no, I'd be thrilled. I mean, I wouldn't mind
taking some penicillin and modern medicine maybe on the trip.
I don't want to, you know, modern dentistry has a
lot to offer, but you know, I mean I would
and a heartbeat jump at the chance to go back
and see you know. Look, one of the things about
archaeology that's alluring but frustrating is that all we really
get to see from some of these ancient cultures are
(07:31):
the literal building blocks that the foundations of their temples
and their buildings, But their everyday lives are kind of
invisible to us. They only kind of whisper to us
through small remains that we find. And I would love
to know, you know, what was it like out on
the streets of ancient Egypt. What would it have been
like in a Maya plaza at the height of the
Maya Empire. I'd love to see the kind of everyday
(07:54):
life of it all, to what people were really how
they were living in those times. And so those those
things are so appealing to me.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Speaking of appealing, have you chat gpted your name? Because
oh my god, they make you look like the greatest
man of all times.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Dude. Oh wow, all right, I love to hear that.
I'll start, I'll be I'll be tapping away as soon
as we're done here. That's good. It's good to know.
What a relief.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, because I mean I always look at you and
I have this conversation with more people that I call
you the Ansel Adams of our time period, because you're
capturing moments that we're going to look at decades from now.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, I really appreciate that. I mean, look, these are
stories that there's so much noise out there now, so
much you know, media fighting for our attention. What I
love about these stories is they're just they're enduring, their bedrock.
They're solid and so like the pyramid itself. And so
anytime I could help, you know, illuminate these stories that
have been with us, you know, many of them for
(08:49):
thousands of years, it's just such a thrill to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Oh my god, dude, you got to come back to
this show anytime in the future except next time.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Do three shows. You got it? I will do er.
I appreciate it, man, be brilliant today. Okay, hey, you
two brother, all the best,
If you love listening to podcasts, you've got to have
a choice, right Aro dot net A r r Oe
dot net. It's not just about talking to the rock
stars and the chefs and the movie stars. This is
about your walk of life, Aro dot net, A r
r Oe dot net.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, Aero, how are you fantastic? How are you doing today?
I'm doing great. What's going on? Well?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Do that poster behind you is everything that's going on?
Because you know, I thought I was the freak that
used to think that you are living, breathing Indiana Jones,
And that poster says, you know, dude, I'm not too
far off track.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I know, right. They make me look very adventurous on
that thing. I love it, But you are.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And that's the thing about it. I mean, I mean,
you've got five Expedition Files now Expedition Unknown. You are
so busy. I'm thinking you're the extraterrestrial.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah. They definitely keep me moving. I mean, between both
of those shows, I don't get a lot of downtime.
But I love it. I love exploring these stories. It's
really that these stories are so naturally exciting that, honestly,
it's just a thrill to go out and investigate them.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I would love to see the research on how many
people have been so inspired by your reasons for diving
into things, because I mean, even with chat GPT these days,
we're all investigating something and I do I feel like you,
Josh in so many different occasions.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think the human brain is
hardwired to love a mystery, right, We're all drawn to mysteries.
That's why true crime is so popular, and so these
stories we tackle on Expedition Unknown and Expedition Files. These
are like the ultimate mysteries in the world, right, The
Great Pyramid of Giza, the Holy Grail, the Salem witch Trials,
you know, I mean these are stories that we all know.
(01:39):
And what's so incredible about them is, you know, our
season premiere is on the Great Pyramid of Giza. Here's
a building that's four and a half millennia old, and
we're still learning things about it. There are still mysteries
to uncover.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You are so up to date with what's going on,
because I mean you you've got a story here on
Jimmy Hoffa and just yesterday I read an article about
how they're going to dig into the Jimmy Hoffa files
and it's like, oh my god, watch Josh first, then
follow that.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
There we go. Yeah, I mean, Haffa is another one
of these stories. You know, famous Teamsters union leader who
disappeared in nineteen seventy five. I mean, there has never been,
I think, a story with more conspiracies around it than
Jimmy Hoffa, who's supposedly everywhere from a landfill to underneath
you know, Giant Stadium and the concrete. And so we're
going to be talking about the latest updates and the
(02:26):
search for answers to the disappearance of Haffa.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So how do you kind of erase that feeling of,
oh my god, you could be that one that looks
into al Capones Safe and all of a sudden there's
nothing in there. Because that's my worst fear about Jimmy Hoffa.
I want some material, I want something here.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Totally. I totally agree with you. I mean, look, that's
always the risk and exploration is that you're going to
open that al capone safe and have nothing inside, but
nothing ventured, nothing gained, right, I mean for us, I
think on expedition are known. What's so lucky is that
wherever we go to these archaeological sites, whether they find
Object X or not, they're always uncovering incredible historic artifacts
(03:05):
and so we're always thrilled to be there at those
moments of discovery with them. But you know, we have
been very lucky over the years to work with you know,
terrific teams and experts and archaeologists to be there at
those moments of discovery so that we've got something to
show for our long journey.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So if we truly stop searching for the Holy Grail,
does that mean that we can no longer listen to
Justin Timberlake and jay Z with their Holy Grail?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I don't know. Maybe you know, the Grail is such
a fascinating object because it's this thing that really took
on a life later. You know, the Bible doesn't have
much to say about the Grail actually, and yet later
in medieval times it took on this huge significance and
has now become this really enduring symbol of Christianity. But
there's so much lore associated with this object. But it's
(03:56):
amazing how many vessels have been put forward throughout history
as the potential Grail. So on expedition files will be
digging into some of those different candidates for what may
be the Holy Grail.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Please do not move. There's more with Josh Gates coming
up next. He's got two shows that he's promoting, Expedition
Unknown and Expedition Files. We are back with Josh Gates.
I'm a firm believer that Rocks speak. I do sit
beside them because I think they're talking with me. So
when you go into the Great Pyramids and you're surrounded
by all of that, can you hear voices?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah? I have to say, you know, whether you're a
kind of spiritually minded person or not. And I don't
want to sound too woo wu, but there are places
in the world that you go to your point where
you absolutely feel whatever it is, the energy, the call
of history, the past. And I challenge anyone to go
into the heart of the Great Pyramid and stand in
(04:51):
that grand gallery and not feel totally haunted by the past.
I mean, it is a truly charged atmosphere there. And
it's no wonder that so many people have so many
wild conspiracies about the Great Pyramid, because it is this
place that just seems to radiate energy and mystery and
so absolutely rocks speak. I totally agree with you.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
One of the things that I find so fascinating with
you is that you go and dig for things that
have been long forgotten, but yet you make it an
everyday conversation. It's almost like a dear future reader moment
you It's like you're bringing something for us to plant
inside our today.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Ah, it's a great, thank you so much. It's a
very kind comment about that. I mean, yeah, Look, some
of these stories are super famous things like the Great Pyramid.
Other stories are things that maybe people have never heard of,
you know, including me. We're looking for a lost steamship
in the jungles of Nicaragua this season. That was part
of a planned Nicaragua Canal before the Panama Canal was built.
This was a pioneering vessel that was lost in the
(05:51):
in the jungles of Nicaragua, a story I knew nothing about.
We're on expedition files. We're going to be investigating the
disappearance of Rudolph Diesel. Time you've ever pulled up to
a diesel pumper or it's seen a diesel engine, it's
all thanks to this engineer, Rudolph Diesel, who vanished without
a trace, and his engines really changed the world. And
so a fascinating mystery that totally deserves our attention, that
(06:15):
folks maybe have never heard of. And so I love
those stories as well, all new mysteries to kind of
worm into our brains.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, you've planted in something inside of me right now
with this canal through Nicaragua.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Why why was it set aside?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I mean because I mean that that would really kind
of shorten the journey, would it not?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Totally? And I have to say, like when you look
at a map, a Nicaragua canal makes a lot of sense.
A lot of Nicaragua's made up of these huge lakes,
and so the amount of territory that you have to
actually blast through to make a canal is in some
ways less than what we did in Panama. And so
you know, it's one of these things that could have
been right. If history had gone a different way, it
(06:52):
may have been a Nicaragua canal instead of a Panama canal.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You're very authentic with when it comes to time travel,
and because because I ask a lot of people many times,
if you could time travel, would you go back? But
you can't take anything from today with you? Well, no,
I'm fine. I mean it's like people don't want to
go back unless they can take today with them.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh no, I'd be thrilled. I mean, I wouldn't mind
taking some penicillin and modern medicine maybe on the trip.
I don't want to, you know, modern dentistry has a
lot to offer, but you know, I mean I would
and a heartbeat jump at the chance to go back
and see you know. Look, one of the things about
archaeology that's alluring but frustrating is that all we really
get to see from some of these ancient cultures are
(07:31):
the literal building blocks that the foundations of their temples
and their buildings, But their everyday lives are kind of
invisible to us. They only kind of whisper to us
through small remains that we find. And I would love
to know, you know, what was it like out on
the streets of ancient Egypt. What would it have been
like in a Maya plaza at the height of the
Maya Empire. I'd love to see the kind of everyday
(07:54):
life of it all, to what people were really how
they were living in those times. And so those those
things are so appealing to me.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Speaking of appealing, have you chat gpted your name? Because
oh my god, they make you look like the greatest
man of all times.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Dude. Oh wow, all right, I love to hear that.
I'll start, I'll be I'll be tapping away as soon
as we're done here. That's good. It's good to know.
What a relief.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, because I mean I always look at you and
I have this conversation with more people that I call
you the Ansel Adams of our time period, because you're
capturing moments that we're going to look at decades from now.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, I really appreciate that. I mean, look, these are
stories that there's so much noise out there now, so
much you know, media fighting for our attention. What I
love about these stories is they're just they're enduring, their bedrock.
They're solid and so like the pyramid itself. And so
anytime I could help, you know, illuminate these stories that
have been with us, you know, many of them for
(08:49):
thousands of years, it's just such a thrill to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Oh my god, dude, you got to come back to
this show anytime in the future except next time.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Do three shows. You got it? I will do er.
I appreciate it, man, be brilliant today. Okay, hey, you
two brother, all the best,
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