#175 - Living Indubiously w/ Evan Burton of Indubious

Evan Burton is a father, amazing lyricist, musician & cohost of living indubiously podcast.

Check out Indubious band website:
https://www.indubiousmusic.com/
Indubious' youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@indubiousmusic

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Ascension of the Chessmen,diving into the esoteric, occult, spiritual,
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breathe, and together awaken into greatness. This is Ascension of the Chessmen,
with your host, Andre Mitty.Welcome to the Ascension of the Chessmen podcast.
I'm your host, Andre Mitty,today's guest as a father, amazing

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lyricist and musician and co host ofthe Living and Dubiously podcast. Ladies and
Gentlemen, Hobbits and Fairies, givea warm welcome disest ak Evan Burton.
Hey, everybody, it's a pleasureto be here, Honored to have very
excited. It's a beautiful day.The birds are singing, yes, and

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the uh you know, the lightis shining uh from the sun and from
within my heart. I caught ablue jay today. That was an amazing
sight. Beautiful man, we hadour moment. Yeah, I was thinking
like you went out and caught onelike you your hands, I said,

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that's that's incredible. How about thatI did. But we're getting there,
We're out our way. Uh yeah, man. So just to kick things
off here, I usually start myshow off with this first question forever guess,
So Evan for those who aren't familiar, Um, can you explain what
it is that you do? AndI guess what woke you up to realizing

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maybe there's more to this life thanyou're originally taught or thought. Okay,
what do I do? Well?Um, the surface easy answers. I'm
a music I've been in the bandondubious my really my whole adult life going
on, you know, over fifteenyears now. But you know, I

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I perceive that what I do,like what how I describe myself really is
it. I'm a mystic, I'ma I'm a student of life, and
I'm a inherently spiritual person. I'mon a spiritual journey and that's what I'm
you know, I've always been seekingthrough my music, and uh, it's
really led me on this tremendous,beautiful, mystical journey. You know,

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the magic because the music has beensomething that we've kind of channeled this magic
through this healing um frequency that hasreally guided guided me through so many mystical
experiences in my life. So Ijust I guess I feel just described myself
as a musician is uh, it'snot very it's not a very complete answer.

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So I make music. Say itagain, like a shortcoming, like
not not Yeah, it's it's notit's not the full extent of what you
know, what I really am.So um, you know, we we
tour, we play shows, weperform, um, I produce music,
I write music, and we wereon the podcast, you know, and

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so all of these things that wedo. I say we, I'm talking
about me and my brother, youknow, UM are really geared towards sharing
a message. And you know,music is just the vehicle for a message.
And so what we really, whatI really aim to do is share

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my uh, share my gifts withthe world, the things that life has
gifted me with my blessings, thethings that have been you know that I've
that I've learned through very difficult scenarios. Sometimes, UM, these become these
have become like my superpower, youknow, to to really have this positivity
and have this this outlook and havethese things that I know about reality to

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share those with others. I feellike that gives people hope, and I
love helping people. It's just acore, natural, inherent aspect of myself.
So, um, I aim toshare this message how whatever the form
is. You know, we havethe documentary, we got the podcast,
we got music, we got thispodcast right here, and so, um,

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can you rephrase the second part ofcan can you tell me the second
part of that question? One moretime? Yeah? It was can you
explain what it is that you doand what woke you up to realize and
maybe there's more to this life thanyou were originally taught or thought. Yeah,
So on the topic of the blessings, you know, the gifts that
the universe has given me. Ata very young age, life got a

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little bit. Life was different formy brother and I. We were born
with cystic fibrosis, a you know, a life shortening genetic disorder, a
disease, and when we were born, the doctors told my parents that we
wouldn't live, you know, tobe adults. We would wouldn't live past
eighteen years old. So that that'san interesting way to kind of be born

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into the world, right, thatthat kind of breaks you out of the
standard American perspective, Oh, I'mgoing to grow up and go to school
and get a job and then havea family and da da da da da.
You know, the kind of basicAmerican life. For us, it
was like, Okay, we're gonnadie, so maybe maybe we're gonna die.

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Maybe not. We we kind ofnever really believe we're gonna die.
But this, this story gave usthis awareness of our own mortality. And
you know, it was the knowledgethat our bodies, our physical life,
would eventually you know, die,that they were mortal. That also brought

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us the reality that what we areas beings is immortal, that there's something
beyond what the flesh is. Andso that kind of it was a little
bit of a forced perspective, youknow, based on our natural tendency towards
spirituality and that perspective. It basicallycaused us to go, what are we

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really here to do in whatever limitedtime that we have? What are we
really here to do? And theanswer that came was, well, let's
do exactly what we want to do. If you're gonna die tomorrow, what
are you gonna do today? You'regonna go to work? Fu No,
no, no way. And soyeah, and so we crafted our life

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in a way that felt meaningful tous. And here's the thing is,
when you craft your life in away that's the most meaningful to you,
when you listen to your heart andyou listen to uh what brings you joy,
what you're really doing is finding yourpurpose. That's your true purpose.
So, uh, we've we've reallybeen fully immersed in this life of music.

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It started as like we want tobe musicians. Yeah, we love
music, we love reggae music.We want to do this, but we're
really what it's evolved into is umthis whole kind of spiritual ethos and like
a very mystical, very mystical journeytotally. And uh so this started early

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on for you in Spence or Skip. Yeah, do you prefer Zest or
Evan, you can call me either, that's fine, Zest is fine.
Um So when you guys were growingup, um, just naturally having that
short life span expectancy that that kindof sparked the spiritual interest off the bat.

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I imagine you guys kind of soughtthat out on your own or well
was it like that from the beginninggetting into music like that? I mean
this kind of it kind of bringsup an interesting question, right, was
it the circumstances in our life thatmade us who we were or was it
all just kind of complimentary towards agreater thing? Because I feel about myself

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like I came into this world verymuch me, very much inherently spiritual,
very much interested and pointed towards thatreality. I know a lot of people
that aren't that way right right,that no matter how life slaps them around,
they can't really get to a placewhere they're willing to like go,

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hey, maybe I'm manifesting my wholereality, and maybe you know, I
could make different choices, Like there'ssome people that just won't, you know,
I won't choose that. That's fine. People are how they are.
For me. I feel like Icame in with that naturally in my heart,
Like I feel like what I amas a being is like just crafted

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by the hand of God to todo what I have done and do what
I continue to do. The circumstancesin my life propelled that further. Would
the circumstances in my life have propelledit further if I didn't have that natural
inclination. I don't know. Becausesome people have trauma and some people have

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a crisis in their life or ahealth crisis, and they choose the opposite.
They choose to go, well,life has decided to fuck me.
I am a victim. My lifesucks, so so screw you leave me
alone. You know, people,people decide how to react to trauma.

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Everyone gets that decision, you know, right, So don't be the get
off my long guy. Don't bethe get off my long guy. You
know, come have a seat onmy lawn, young friends, because I
do I do believe that the bigcrises in my life, um, you
know, the the health stuff,the double lung transplant, um, you

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know, whatever it is, it'sdifferent for everyone. Mind. Mind's cool
enough to where I could listen peoplego, oh wow, that's incredible.
But everybody has those, right.It's like, regardless what the most pain
you've ever experienced is, that's stillthe most pain you've ever experienced. Right,
So for someone that could be gettingyour arm cut off, or another
person could be getting your toast stubbed, it's still the most pain you've ever

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experienced. So it's relative, andno one's No one's pain or suffering is
really comparable to any one's else's,right, they're all they're all relevant to
that person, right right. SoI've chosen to use the the past experiences
in my life that we're trying touse them to make me stronger. Not

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only use them to make me stronger, but to use them as a kind
of a tool to allow me toteach other people the same, the same
difficult lessons that I've learned. Soit becomes a gift because it's something that
I've been given that's made me stronger, and now it's something that I can

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also give to other people if theywant it. And UM, you know
when you write your music, Um, do you do you feel the sense
of like they are just being downloadedor channeled or free flowing or do you
have to get in this writer's modeto even get there? Um? Is

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there a ritual that you follow withit? Yeah? I always wear my
pink underwear and I always eat abowl of honey nut cheerios right before and
I can only do it at liketwelve thirty nine at night. I'm just
kidding. I don't have any Idon't have any I don't have any rituals.

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M. Yes, I do feellike it's channeled and I want to
make this easy For someone who's listeningto this, he goes, okay,
channeled, whatever, this guy's somefreaking spiritual whatever. It's not like that.
I think that everyone channels. Ithink that when you're being creative,

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when you're truly being creative, nomatter what your creation is, if it's
riding, if it's art, ifit's you know, singing, if you're
snowboarding or whatever, it is likeyou're in the flow. Like your mind
takes a back seat because there's somethingelse taking charge, right and you're just

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getting believe you're getting out of You'rejust getting your mind out of the way,
and you're connecting with the flow,the current of creativity that's available to
everyone. And in the beginning Inever really was very much aware of it.
It started to feel like I startedto have things happen when I would

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write a song. Oh that's cool, people go, oh, yeah,
that's cool. That's a cool song. And then a few years ago by
and I listened back to me,I go, wait a minute, this
applies to my life in a veryinteresting way that I never thought of before.
Like it started to kind of blowme away, And it started to
blow me away in a such aprofound and consistent manner that I could no

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longer deny that something magical was happening. Now, someone science minded might say,
oh, well, that's just youtapping into your subconscious and you know,
I don't care how you describe it. I don't care if you say
you're channeling an angel from the blahblah blah realm, or you're or you're

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channeling an alien from this star systemor whatever, or you're saying, oh,
that's just your sub that's your subconsciousum recognizing itself. For you're all
describing the same thing. You know. I believe there's a there's a quote
that I heard recently. It's um, science is seen spirituality, and spirituality
is unseen science. I think thatas time goes on, we begin to

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like scientifically prove these aspects of ourthe nature of the of the universe.
But for me, I don't reallycare if you know, I don't really
I don't. I don't need thescience to know what's resoning in my heart.
And for me, I have alwaysknown that something was happening there,
and so as I've become more consciousof it, um of the fact that

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like, yeah, I'm channeling somethingat first, it's kind of a it's
kind of a mind fuck, right, because you're like, well, this
is all this is all channeled somethingI'm channeling, So I got to make
sure that I'm not just like lettingmy mind getting involved, right. But
then it's very easy to kind oflike trick yourself and going, you know,
well, maybe that wasn't channel thanthis. What you know, it's

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you don't want to think about itthat way. Here's what you want to
do, is you want to Thishas somehow become a class of me teaching
someone how to do it, whichis fine whatever. I don't know.
I'm just following the flow here.If you want to achieve this yourself,
the way to do it is goI want to. Let's say you want
to make a beautiful song. Justdo whatever you want with no expectation,

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to make something that's cool that youwant to make, get the mind out
of it, have fun, andbring through something that you like. It's
really simple. It's natural, andI don't think it needs to be you
know, conceptualized by the mind forit to be channeling. It doesn't it
it doesn't even have to be channeling. So and do you do you write

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before you put the beat to itor vice versa. Well, that's a
good question. I don't really havea specific formula. However, I would
say that most of the time,more than fifty percent of the songs is
a beat is created and that lyricsare written on top of the beat.

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But sometimes I'll just be driving andI'll have a lyric come to my head
and I'm like, oh, that'scool, and I'll write it down,
and then later on that lyric endsup fitting on a beat or some kind
of a you know, turns intoa song somewhere down the line. I'm
just I just stay open too.I just stay open and sensitive to the

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pulse of creativity within myself and thepulse of creativity in the universe. And
as you increase your sensitivity two thevibrations that are that are present, um,
it becomes a lot easier to feel. And so feeling becomes your way

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of of navigating in these subtle,energetic realms, right, because what you're
doing is you're you're seeking the mostpleasing feeling. Right, You're using your
heart as the compass, using usingyour using yourself as the the feeler,
the sensor of what feels good toyou, and so you can't do this

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unless first you trust yourself, becauseif you don't trust your taste, you
don't trust your um ability to knowwhat you like or something. You know
then that that this doesn't work.So you have to first you have to
trust yourself, and then to becomemore sensitive, it's important to start to

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get rid of the excess thoughts.The excess thoughts are really the main thing
that keep people away from these typesof like pleasing creative in the flow realms.
And this is the context of likewriting songs. This can be the
This can be applied to any topicof life of um, you know,

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relationships or whatever it is. It'sthe it's when we allow the thoughts to
become louder than our heart. Thethoughts start to get really loud when you're
not um you know, when youhave some some mixed up beliefs in there.

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And I'm sure anyone listening to thisand go, oh yeah, no,
I think about stuff all the time, and I replace scenarios in my
head and all this kind of stuff. It's a very common thing, especially
in the Western world. But forme, building my sensitivity has come from
learning to quiet my mind and theway that I've learned to quiet my mind

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is by delving deep into what istrue. Because when you don't know what
is true for yourself or you don'tknow what is true in the world,
the mind has free range to messwith you. Oh yeah, if you
know, if you know that youare good, if you know that you

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have good intentions, if you knowthat you do your best, your mind's
not going to come in and say, hey, will you really mess that
one up? Well, hey,guess what you better not mess this up
again, and blah blah bah blahblah. Hey remember when you did this
that was bad? Yeah, becauseyou're bad. Your mind's not gonna do
that anymore because you hear that andgo, well, that's a lie.
Stop it. Mind. The mind'snot us to to tool But when the

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mind is then tooling us around,it's like it creates this, uh you
know, these really dense energy fields. You know it's Nobody likes living that
way. The best way to beliving is when our mind is relaxed and
we're enjoying ourselves. We're loving ourselvesenough to say, hey, what do

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I want to do to do today? What gift of pleasure am I going
to give myself to day to justappreciate my life. You know, how
often do we really do that?And so for me, music has had
to has had there's like no questionthat it's had to become um exactly this.

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It has to be something that isfor pleasure. Has you can't you
can't go into it and go,oh, I want to make something that
people are going to really like soit can become successful. I want to
I want to make a song thatsounds like this guy because this guy's super
successful for us. If I makemusic like that, then all be successful.
Then I'll have money, and thenthat will take away my anxiety,
my fear about not being good enough. Right, So these are like mental

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thought patterns as opposed to like,let's just make some music. Let's make
something beautiful because it feels good,and become sensitive and kind of feel where
it feels kind of juicy and youget in there. It's becomes this really
fun, natural process and it's aprocess of trusting yourself, loving yourself.
Yeah, and you know the processof loving yourself. Has that been a

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lifelong journey for you? You know, have you know the health issues that
have came up and potential near deathexperiences, and you know you talked about
your Aboga journey. UM, whathas been the most impactful to keep a
positive mindset despite you know, everythingwrong going on in the world. Yeah,

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I hear you heard you be askedthat question and just staying positive amidst
the chaos. So, first off, process of loving yourself. UM.
Here in the West, we believethat we're on a healing journey. Yout
to heal, you gotta keep walkingup that hill and heal a little bit

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by little bit and little bit,and then eventually maybe someday when you're old,
you're gonna be healed enough and you'llfinally be there. Right, that's
that's the machine. It's almost likewe've taken the consumeristic mentality and applied it
to personal development. Right. It'slike, oh, you're you're gonna buy

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this pair of jeans, and thennext season there's gonna be a new style,
and then you're gonna buy the newtwenty twenty three car, and then
on twenty twenty portions run you're gonnahave to trade that car. You know,
it's like this consumerism thing, andit's this it's been kind of co
opted UM the healing UM community two. Yeah, and this is a very

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western, gone mainstream. Yeah,it's gone Mainstrea. It's a very western
minded perspective. They don't have thesesame perspectives around around the world. Right.
Um. And so my process ofloving myself has felt like a process
up until the point where I realizedit was a decision. M It's not

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a slowly filling your cup of selflove. Oh you're seventy five self love.
It's yes or no? Do youlove yourself or not? And so
this is this is a big decision. This is not like someone's gonna listen
to this podcast where we go,Okay, I've just decided to love myself.
This is getting real with yourself,right, because loving yourself is not

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a really just saying yes or no. It's has to be related to your
actions. Like you can go toyour partner, do you love me?
Yeah? Well then why do youdo all this terrible stuff to me?
Right? So it's like, soif you you don't have to ask someone
if they love you, if theyalready love you, because you already know
when somebody loves you because how theytreat you. Right, So, someone

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in their life could not be fullyloving themselves in a lot of ways.
They could be any kind of addictof you know, drugs or sex or
materialism or whatever it is that they'reusing to kind of escape stuff that might

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be happening in the psyche that wantsto be healed. It could not loving
yourself can be as easy as stayingin a job that you really don't like.
You really don't like it, butyou don't believe there's any other option
for you, right it can selflove. A lack of self love can

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be manifested in staying in a relationshipthat you don't like, not being honest
with your partner. Because if youreally love yourself, you are going to
put your needs right out there,right, and so this comes to setting

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boundaries, setting boundaries and your relationships, all of your relationships, you know,
romantic and then relationships with your bossat your work, because when you
really love yourself, you're gonna say, hey, excuse me the way that
that just happened. I personally findthat disrespectful for me, and that makes
me feel bad. And if that'sgoing to continue to happen, I don't

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I don't want to have this relationship. So let's discuss away moving forward that
we can fix this situation. Right, So it's it's having some uncomfortable conversations.
So someone all of a sudden getsa magic wand boom, you love
yourself one hundred percent. You areloved by you fully. Everything in your

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life changes. If before you aren'tloving yourself and now you are, You're
gonna go to work, You're gonnahave those conversation, You're gonna have the
conversation with your coworker. Hey,when you say these types of things,
it makes me feel this way,and it's causing me to lose respect for
you, and it's causing me tonot have a pleasing experience at work.

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Right. Or go to your bossand say, hey, I've talked to
you multiple times about my wants andneeds in this workplace and then you're ignoring
me and not fulfilling it. SoI need an answer from you. Or
in your relationship, Hey, babe, this thing that you do, I
don't want to do that anymore.So let's find a way to either fix
that or go our separate ways,so your whole life changes. Right.

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So listening, it's like this,it's like this illusion we're forever going to
be chasing it that we get trappedin through being stuck in the mind and
not in our heart. It isyeah, you know. And when you're
when you're listening to yourself, notjust like not hearing yourself, but you're

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hearing yourself and then listening. Um, that's the magic place. That's the
place where where things are falling intoplace because you're aligned on your soul path.
People go, well, I wishthat like my my guides would tell
me what to do, or I'mgonna go see a psychic and ask him.

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You know what Archangel Michael says aboutmy life path, good luck,
good luck listening to anything outside ofyourself about what you're supposed to do.
Because we're put here with all thetools, we're put here with perfect heart,

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and it's just it's up to us. It is a decision to listen
and honor yourself and to answer yourquestion about what has it been on my
life that's brought that reality for me? Really, it has been my experience

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with Aboga medicine that has that hasput that into place for me to me
for me to becoming a full yesof self love. Um, it has
not been easy. Like I said, you go through a profound shift like

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that everything in your life has toshifty relations part because when you get back,
you know, I've done iowascam yetto try boga yet. But um,
you know that's that that was alwaysthe challenges. When you get back,
you know everyone's still the same.You got the same job, everyone,

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everything else is still the same.Yeah, how are you going to
change? Exactly? So true.So for me, it's it hasn't been
as easy as just flipping the switch. It's been more of like a flip
the switch and then come back intolife and then be trying to integrate it

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and um, being a little bitconfused about how to move forward because of
the actual implications of this new realityof needing to get what I want for
myself. It's these are big decisionsto actually implement them and do then.
So my switch has been flipped onand off a few times just by not

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listening to myself. But where Iam now is the I'm listening to myself.
I'm trusting myself, and I'm lovingmyself, and I'm choosing the things
that bring me joy because life isshort. Yes, we're not going to
live forever, and your perspective ofyou in the future may not be.

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You might die in a week,you might die in a year, you
might die in ten years, fifteenyears. What you don't know, you
don't know. You know I havefriends that have died recently. Yeah,
fucking tragic. And so I'm goingto live my life in the magic place.

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I'm going to live my life doingwhat I want to do. I'm
gonna live my life taking risks andhaving fun. I'm gonna live my life
fucking loving myself because when I lovemyself, I'm a better person for it.
I can love other people people better. I can teach other people how
to love themselves. It's like,we don't have time to waste, right,

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we don't have time to waste.And like you're gonna go to work.
You're gonna go to work and workyour job and come home and go
to work and work your job andcome home, go to work and work
your job and come home. That'show life just goes away, right.
And so if you're not doing somethingyou love, find something that you like,
totally take a chance on yourself anddo it. It's like, that's

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that's what I've really come to learnfrom from the medicine and for me,
and you know, as an aspiringmusician. Um, you and your brother
when you were coming up, didit feel like, you know, you
guys were betting on yourselves that itwas gonna pay off and you were gonna
be able to quit your jobs tomake a living doing this, Like,

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um, how how how did thatfeel? I guess, like going out
on a limb and betting on yourselveslike that. Well, when we started,
we were still working, so wewere we were doing like mortgage finance.
I was a loan officer, andthat's kind of when we started the
band. And at a certain pointit just became successful enough, I guess,

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to where we didn't have to havethat extra job, right. Um,
you know, I guess there's somefear that surrounds that for sure.
You know, it's it's become moreextreme in my case now because I'm providing

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for my family, So it becomesa little bit challenging in the sense that,
um, you know, it's notlike you're getting consistent paycheck with music,
right, It's like some months wewon't play shows, or we'll take
a few months off of playing shows, and they don't have incomes. So

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it's become this different kind of thingthat I've needed to and become comfortable with.
But here's what I've noticed is thatregardless of any stress I've ever had
about it financially or any sort ofdoubts or whatever, I've always been provided
for. I've always had enough money. And I don't know why that is.

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I don't know if it works thatway for everybody, but I've just
started trusting in that reality. Andso instead of being scared or fearful,
you know, I've fundance. I'vejust gone it's gonna be okay. And
it has been okay, right,you know, It's kind of that's my

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experience. Everyone's experience is different,you know. I think that a lot
of people think they need a lotmore money than they do. I think
that a lot of things go intothat, you know, people spending habits
and things that they think they need, things they think they need that they
don't actually need. Um. It'sa very individuals based, you know,

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reality, right, Um. Andyou know, just watching the documentary recently,
UM, getting to see you reconnectwith the mother, um of the
son that gave the organ donation toyou. Um, what was that like?

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And can can you just explain,like, um, how that all
went down and um, just thegratitude you had the day you found out.
Yeah, so it was twenty eleven. It was when back when I
had my lung transplant, I hadlung failure. You know, I was

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on oxygen and my lungs were failing. I was at like, you know
something, twenty percent lung function andI needed to get a transplant to survive.
So I went through the whole processof getting on the transplant list,
which was long. It took ahandful of months, maybe six months.
There's a lot of tests you gottado. And so they called me and

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they go, hey, guess whatgood news. You're on the transplant list.
You get assigned a number that kindof states like what kind of position
you're in healthwise. People who arejust about to die are the ones who
are higher up on the list orwhatever. I was still in stable conditions.
It wasn't like my number was thebest. And they said, so
you just basically you're gonna wait andyou don't know when lungs are going to

(35:38):
become available for you. It couldbe a few months, it could be
a few years. So there yougo. I said, okay, cool.
They called me in sixteen days withlungs available for me, blew me
away. We had no idea whatwas going to happen that fast, and
I still don't know why it happenedthat fast, but felt magical. You

(36:00):
know. The day I was goingto get my lung transplant, I remember
they called me. I was excited. I was stoked. Everyone else was
all freaked out. Uh you know, my my mom and my partner at
the time, they were really scared. I was like, Noah, this
is great, Like what's the worstcase The worst case scenario is that I

(36:22):
die, but then I don't haveto deal with like I don't have to
suffer anymore. Or I wake upand I have new long So it sounds
like there's no way that I'm avoidingthis situation. So I like literally had
like zero nerves about it. Itwas crazy, very kind of cosmic,
spiritual feeling, you know. Yeah, And I went into surgery and I

(36:47):
woke up. It was like Iwoke up two days later, right,
because it's like a really long surgeryand then I have you out for a
while. I was intubated and theytook the thing out of my roat and
I was all sore of like disoriented, I didn't even know that that.
I didn't even think of the transplantmenthappened yet, But I slowly came to
and I proceeded to have like justone of the most magical, amazing experiences

(37:16):
there at the hospital with the people, so much mystical crazy stuff going on
and you know, synchronicities and justreally becoming you know, I made some
really good friends there at the hospitaltoo, and blew some people's minds with
some stuff just you know, crazycrazy synchronicities. It was just a very
It was a powerful time. Alytook me about maybebe two months. It

(37:38):
was fully recovered and running, andyeah, you were already playing like within
a month, weren't you. Yeah, I just I think it was something
some some timeline a I don't knowif it was a month or maybe two
months that I played Earth Dance Festival. Wow. Yeah, And the recovery

(38:00):
time was really fast. It wascrazy. And so a few weeks after
that, I got a letter fromthe mother of my donor. Her name
is Ella, and she was justintroducing herself because she doesn't there's no like

(38:24):
there's basically an anonymity law, likeif that the donor's family doesn't want me
to contact them, then I don'tget to and the same same, you
know, reverse like if I don'twant her to contact me, then they
don't get to. But I saidit was okay, and she she wrote
me a letter and just said,hey, you know, I'm the mother
of Marcus, who was the one'slungs you got, and just kind of

(38:46):
introduced herself. And I thought.We end up talking on the phone,
and I remember her being very kindof sad. You know, her son
just died, he got shot inthe head and gang violence, and so
I just remember her sounding very sadbut being very kind. And then,
you know, fast forward eleven years, we're working on this documentary. I

(39:06):
reach out to Ella and I say, hey, would you like to be
involved? She said yes, andso we fly her out for the documentary.
She comes, I get to meether in person, and she was
amazing. She was She's an amazingperson, very positive and happy, and
beaches are just full of life andbeaming, you know, and so us
getting to spend time together was beautiful. It was beautiful. Um, it's

(39:31):
just a trip, you know,It's just a trip that they can take
body parts out of someone and putthem in somebody else. It's like,
what, how does this even real? Like I I forget that I have
someone else as long as most ofthe time, ninety nine percent of the
time, it's like not my awarenessat all, ninety nine point nine nine

(39:52):
percent time, Like when we're talkingabout it, I'm like, yeah,
that's that's real. That's true.I do have that, But I just
live my life without really thinking aboutit a whole. I mean, I
do like to think about it ina grateful sense that I'm grateful for my
life for sure. Yeah, Ithink you know, it's it kind of

(40:13):
shines on if if there were anyracists out there. It's like if you
were in a life or death situation, yeah, and someone of a different
race had available lungs where you neededa full double lung transplant, Like yeah,
are you are you going to turnthat down? Because and so for
anyone that's that's listening that doesn't knowthe story, my lungs are from a

(40:34):
black guy, an African American family. So I have African lungs, and
like I thought the exact same thingthat you thought, Like that is a
powerful that's a very powerful story.Right. It's like you can take lungs
from a different race, and youcan literally you can use all these body
parts for for whatever. You canswap them all around and they still work.

(40:57):
It just goes to show you howvery much we are. We're the
same. Yep, we're the sameinside, you know, we're we're all
African. We all come from Africa. Me and you were just light skinned
Africans. We all come from Africa. That's where life. Yeah, it's
it's it's where it's where life waswas created and it's the birthplace of life.

(41:25):
You know. So you know racismis is obviously it's ridiculous, completely
in my you know opinion. Yeah, I just had to bring that up
and made me think of that,Like that's a great analogy for uh racism.
It's like just showing how silly itis in the fact of a situation

(41:47):
like that, just showing we're allthe same. Yeah, it's funny.
I thought the exact same thing too. That's hilarious. Well yeah, man,
um, I wanted to talk about, Um, was it a SKIP
that inspired you to sit with theboga the first time? And um what
that whole experience was like? Anduh, yeah, I guess the impact

(42:13):
SKIP had on, Um, youwanting to journey? Yeah, um,
well, I mean the whole reasonI did it was because a skip for
sure. Yeah. You know.He ended up seeking out this medicine to
deal with some addiction stuff he wasgoing through. He's really addicted to cretum
and he couldn't stop that for thelife of him. He was really really

(42:36):
trying hard. And so he hediscovered a boga medicine. First, he
did iba gain. Have you heardof ibi gain? It's yeah, it's
like the derivative of you know,it's like taking TTC out of marijuana,
right, So I begains the chemicaland so he did that first. Is
iba gain a lot less intense ofa journey or short eyebo gain is the

(43:00):
isolated you know, aspect of aboga that gives you the psychedelic experience.
Um so, people who take ibogain, it's it's actually more intense in
a way. Oh wow, okay, because it's um, you know,

(43:20):
it's concentrated and they injected they injectedinto you. Wow. Um. But
so he wouldn't did ibo gain first, and he actually ended up relapse it.
And so when he went back thesecond time, he did a boga
and through a completely different place.And this was a traditional bueety um like

(43:42):
you done in the tribal shamanic way. So the medicine is one aspect of
this, the aboga that you eatthe root bark. The other aspect of
it is the teachings there the buetyframework of how to live your life.
And he said that is one hundredpercent absolutely necessary aspect of the medicine of

(44:02):
what of what really made the impacton him. And so he went and
did that, and I started tosee the shift in him. You know,
it was like my brother was slowlystarting to get it. My whole

(44:22):
life, I'd kind of felt likethe older brother. Um. You know,
even though I'm two and a halfyears younger, I've always felt the
older brother, like I kind ofalways had my my shit together, you
know, you know, financially andmy relationships and business wise. And the
meanwhile, Skip has always kind ofbeen this like, uh, someone who

(44:45):
he's just kind of always struggled withhis human experience. You know, he's
kind of a lot a lot.You know, everyone knows someone like this,
right, a great amazing creative personthat just has or just something there
where they're they're just struggling drugs andrelationships and whatever it is and finances and
and so I saw this shift startto kind of happen in him. And

(45:09):
he eventually said, Hey, I'mgonna go to Africa. I'm gonna become
a provider. I was like,Okay, that's awesome. So he raised
the money and he went and didit. When he came back from out
he was in Africa for two months. When he came back from then when
I really saw this incredible shift.It was like he he looked different.

(45:31):
Yeah, he acted different, heheld himself differently. There was something happened,
you know, something he left somethingbehind permanently. And it was the
way that I described it is thatit felt like he came back and he
was a man. He's a manfor the first time. Like, Wow,

(45:53):
my brother has figured something out.I had my healthy dose of skepticism.
Yeah, or is this just anotheraddiction? You know? Um?
You know, he he like instantlygot into like a super serious relationship and

(46:14):
moved in with someone. I waslike, okay, And then they bought
a dog. I'm like, Jesus, bro, what's going on. Like
I'm a little concerned here, buddy, you know, But time has gone
on, I've what I've perceived isthat he really he just kind of figured
himself out, and he learned howto start listening to himself and honoring his

(46:38):
spirit, his soul, and that'swhy he was making decisions like that,
because he had figured out what hewanted. And um, you know,
he's doing better than I've ever seenhim by far, absolutely killing it.
And so obviously seeing all this,I'm like, Okay, I want to
try the medicine. It took meabout I think four months the time you

(47:01):
got back from Africa to the timeI did the medicine. When I did
the medicine, I was like,Jesus, why did I wait so long?
You know, like I it,words don't really do justice for something
like this, And not only dothey not do justice, but they're not

(47:22):
necessarily helpful because you can hear someoneelse's experience with a boga and then go
and have a very very different experience. Now the problem comes in that you're
comparing your experience to the one thatyou heard on the podcast. Right,
I didn't that didn't happen for me, and this didn't happen for me,

(47:44):
and this didn't happen to me forme either. But if you don't have
that, yeah, if you don'thave any of that expectation, then you're
gonna take it at face value.And that's what I recommend, taking it
at face value, because the medicineis going to give you what you need,
but you're ready to receive and whatis the most beneficial for you.

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For some people, that's intense visionsand vivid, you know, visionary experiences
about your future or your past,or the understandings of things in your life
that you're that you're trying to fixand how to fix them. For some
people, they're gonna go and they'regonna have an experience that's like a hell

(48:25):
like experience. They're gonna be veryyou know, in discomfort and be seeing
like you know, demons and darknessand blood and guts and whatever. You
know, kind of like a darkexperience. That happens a lot too.
Some people go and they say,you know, they where the whole time

(48:46):
they just sat there and nothing happened, nothing happened, they saw nothing,
They just slayed there and it wascompletely black. But guess what, regardless
of all these things that happened topeople, they come out, they go
back into their life and things changefor them. And so some people get
it all there that night. Theyget all the answers. You know,

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you write out questions, and theboga answers the questions for you directly,
well you or you're you know,you write out questions essentially asking your soul,
and you get answers from your soul. Right, And then some people
don't have that, But then theanswers come with time, you know,
the following weeks, things start tounfold. They hear they start to hear

(49:30):
the subtle, quiet voice of theirheart talking to them, you know,
they do something, and then theyhear a voice go, hey, you
don't need to do that anymore.Let's let's think about this in a different
way. And they they kind ofwake up to this new reality of how

(49:52):
how to live. So it happensvery very different. But so all that
being said, I will say myexperience with the Boga for the first time
was a rebirth. I died thatnight. The old version of me,
of what I was, died,was buried underground in a coffin, and

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a new person was born, aperson that loves himself, a person that
has faith and courage and excitement aboutlife person that is, it's present in
their life and doesn't you know,dwell doesn't play around in the mind.

(50:38):
I don't play around in the mind. Things are what they are. There's
no what ifs. I don't needto massage the what IF's category. I
see something that I want, Ido it. Something I want to do,
I do it. And you know, I've very much simplified my life,

(51:02):
right, And so coming out ofthat and experiencing that shift and going
into my life has it's been along process of integration and very a bit
disorienting for me, but it's becausethings have had to kind of reorganize themselves
to my new perspective, my newlevel of um of self love. You

(51:30):
know, there's a lot of thingsthat people have in their head that I
had in my head, of thingsthat I thought that I wanted. And
I started to realize so many waysin which I was seeking the feeling of
being loved from my external world,right, seeking yea sinking, seeking that

(51:55):
stuff outside of me. And soinstead of these being things that I actually
really want, I mean I feltlike I actually really wanted them, but
it came like, oh, actually, I don't really even I don't really
even want that, And so onceI such a paradox it is. It's
it's like, once I accepted myselfas I am and decided to start loving

(52:20):
myself right where I am, regardlessof any accomplishments or anything, then a
lot of the things that I feltlike I wanted, it's like, I
don't actually even care. I don'tcare about that. So that wasn't something
that you really wanted. That wasan idea based on a thought in your
head that was coming from a liethat you have about yourself. Right,
it's like an added bonus at best. You know, we're already holding complete

(52:45):
well, totally accept ourselves. Here'sthe funny thing is that when we fully
accept ourselves, we think that,well, if I accept myself how I
am, how am I going togrow? That's kind of like the mind's
logic. Right, if you thinkyou're perfect right where you are, you're
never gonna get better. You stillhave all these things. Are you going

(53:07):
to figure out this and this andthis and you know? Right? But
what ends up happening is kind ofthe opposite. Is that when you're focused
on fixing yourself because you're messed up, what you end up doing is you're
really just holding your place yourself ina place of being messed up. Right,

(53:28):
You're you're you're writing that story foryourself. I'm damaged, and so
you kind of stay it. Youjust end up staying in that loop.
But when you stunts or growth,it does it's you're not accepting yourself and
you're not loving yourself. But whenyou decide to go, hey, I'm

(53:51):
gonna actually just love myself right whereI am. I'm gonna love myself right
here, right now, what endsup happening is you naturally start growing,
You naturally start doing the things thatyou want to do out of self love.
You gotta think of it like alike aum like raising a kid,
because you are literally raising yourself.You are your own parent, and it's

(54:15):
it's it's very it's a very realthing. So when you have a kid
and you're you're gonna tell that kid, hey, these are the things that
are wrong with you. These arethe stuff you need to do to improve
because you're messed up in all theseways. That's not good for the kid.
That's obvious. That's an obvious thing. Right. You're not gonna You're
not gonna teach a small child byjust telling them how they're fucked up.

(54:38):
What kids need is love and gentleguidance, gentle yet firm guidance in the
right direction, but whole heaps oflove of loving them right where they are
and making them feel special. Areyou're gonna go to um a little child,
a little four year old and tellthem they're not going to because I

(55:00):
haven't accomplished enough in life. No, No, you're not gonna do that.
So why would you do that toyourself? It's not true, it's
not true. We buy into thisillusion like we're grown up now, so
therefore we putt being a kid andhaving fun stuff behind us. When we're

(55:22):
really grown up is when we getthis. What we're talking about that accepting
yourself, right, that's like puttingyour big big boy pants on. Becoming
a real adult, having your realright of passage is understanding that what you
need, the only thing you needis your acceptance and your love, and

(55:45):
that will put you in the placethat will that will generate a a comfortable
um foundation for you to achieve everythingthat you're ever gonna want. That's how
you do it. That's another paradox, right, So It's like you think

(56:07):
that by accepting myself right now,I'm not going to grow anymore. I'm
just gonna sit around and do nothing. No, what happens is when you
accept yourself and love yourself right now, how you are, you enter a
state of relaxation and enjoyment. Andthen it's like, Okay, I'm relaxed,
I don't have any anxiety and I'mjust enjoying my life. What do

(56:29):
I want to do? What soundsfun? What do I really truly like
to do? That's what you're hereto do, right? So true,
man, it it's so simple too, Like we make it complicated, but
it couldn't be any more simple.The mind makes it complicated, right.
The mind likes to have a complexprocesses and you know steps, and the

(56:54):
mind wants to go read an entirehealth self self help book and take notes.
But the heart knows the simple pathand life is life is simple,
right? You know? We liveon an earth that we are perfectly crafted
to be sustained on, and weget to grow food, all sorts of

(57:17):
amazing delicious food, and do allsorts of fun activities and build things and
experience other human beings like we getto have children and offspring and partners and
friends and seeing and dance and solvesolve problems. And it's like we are

(57:37):
truly just gifted with being here,but we um here in the West.
We've created it such a such aan issue with the over over association of
the mind, you know, overcomplication of things. Yeah, it really

(57:58):
we can really the best way toexit the mind and come into the heart
with gratitude loving your life. Right, by loving your life, you enter
into your heart and you exit themind. So go do that. Don't

(58:19):
go do that, do it.Do it now. If you don't love
your life, you're just not lookingat it right. Your life is short.
Man. We come here and we'regonna get old just like our parents.
We're gonna get old and died.Just like our grandparents. We're gonna
get old and died just like theirgrandparents. They all got old and died,
and guess what guaranteed, they allregretted not just enjoying their fucking life.

(58:45):
Right, It's like we have thisillusion like I'm just gonna keep putting
money away and then by sixty,you know, I'll have my life set
and that's when it all begins.Yeah, I know, what about until
that point, I have no moneyput away and I'm happy right now.
So it's just such a paradox,mad like to even like wrap your by

(59:09):
you're hard around it. Yeah,it's you know, it deserves nothing but
compassion, right, because we findourselves in the situation based on our society
and the whether our society sells thingsto us. We don't have to buy
it all, and we can rewriteit, we can change that story for

(59:30):
ourselves. But it's it's difficult fora lot of people, you know,
It's not it's like we we getindoctrinated into the school of thought that we
are the mind and that we needto add things from an external perspective to
increase our happiness. Guess what,It never works. Nothing external ever really

(59:52):
changes your happiness, right, youknow. And and here's an obvious example,
right, Like Hollywood actors, they'regoing, Okay, I'm gonna go
be super successful and be a millionaireand have the whole world adore me,
and then I'll be happy. Guesswhat, Those guys kill themselves all the

(01:00:14):
time, right, They they killthemselves all of the time because they'd have
done all of that and discovered.I'm still not happy. It doesn't work,
yep. Can never get enough ofsomething that doesn't work right, right,
and so money doesn't work. Externaladoration from people doesn't work. There's

(01:00:38):
no amount of it. You needto love yourself first, or you can't
even feel that. You need tosee how blessed and abundant you are already
to just be alive. Right,Because if someone came to you and said,
hey, I will pay you anyamount of money in the world for
your life. I'll pay you eightybillion dollars, bro if I can,

(01:01:05):
if you can just be dead tomorrow, you'd be like, um no,
because then I have nothing exactly youhaving one more day of life is worth
more than eighty billion dollars, right, So why don't you jump around screaming
and joyful like you just won thefucking lottery because you have. That's what
life is, and that's the gift. That's the magnitude of the gift that

(01:01:30):
is in our hands here. Sowhat are we gonna do with it?
I'm gonna love myself, I'm gonnalove other people. I'm gonna tell people
that I love them. Yes,I'm going to make sure the thoughts and
feelings within my heart, make itinto the ears that need to hear them.

(01:01:50):
I'm gonna be present for my family. I'm gonna be present for my
daughter and for my wife, formy kids. And that's what I'm gonna
do. Um I I wanted tobring up energy, budgeting, budgeting,
and forgiveness briefly. Um you guys, you un skipped a great episode.

(01:02:12):
Um you know on National Forgiveness Day. I think it was sacretistically but uh,
you know that's a tough one becauseyou know, so who are you
talking about forgiving? Well, wewe obviously have to start with ourselves,
but um, you know, inthe process of forgiveness, there's also we

(01:02:37):
also don't want to be treated likedormats either and forget. We have to
forgive for our being. For forgivingand having boundaries are completely separate things,
right, So there's no there's noneed to um equate the two. Yeah,
we don't. We don't have Wedon't have to do that. If

(01:03:05):
we can really truly forgive ourselves,then forgiveness comes very nat It becomes very
natural in an external way. BecauseI've taken some journeys deep inside of my
own darkness, into my own shadowright into the closet of stuff about myself
that I was never aware of this, but I had stuff about myself.

(01:03:31):
And this is what the medicine helpedme notice that I had things about myself,
that I had a fear or suspicionthat I wasn't good, that I
was there was something inherently wrong withme, that I was unkind or selfish
or dark or even evil about myselfme thinking this about myself. And so

(01:03:57):
what I did was I took thosethings and I put them in the closet
and I locked the door, andI never wanted to look at it because
it's scary. It's scary to considerthings about yourself like that, because what
if you find out that you're evil? What do you do with that?
What do you do with that information? Yes, Evan, you are evil?
Okay, Well, I guess I'mjust gonna go live by myself and
hate myself forever. Right, Sowhat the medicine debt did and said,

(01:04:20):
hey, buddy, all these issuesyou have in your life is because of
this closet. Can you take alook in here and like it's gonna be
okay, Like all right, let'slook guess what guess what I am.
I'm not evil, I'm not bad, I'm not unkind, I'm beautiful,
I have a beautiful heart. I'mloving, and I want the best for

(01:04:41):
people. And to really truly seethat from that perspective, it helped me
forgive all those things about myself thatI weren't even they weren't even true.
Right. But so now, whenwhen someone is nasty with me, someone

(01:05:08):
straight up you know, wants tokill me, wants to kill my family.
Okay, let's sake, let's takeit to the extreme. Someone wants
to come and kill my family.Why do they want to kill my family?
Why does someone want to hurt otherpeople because they've been hurt? So

(01:05:29):
hurt people hurt people, hurt people, hurt people, hurt people. So
whoever it is it wants to hurtsomeone, they've been hurt. And whoever
it is it hurt them, they'vebeen hurt. When whoever it is that
hurt them, they've been hurt.It comes from cycles of a long,
a long, long, long chainof ancestral trauma, of trauma being passed

(01:05:53):
on through the generations. Is itthat person's fault that they've been hurt?
No, No, it's not theirfault that they've been hurt. They've been
hurt, right, and they're goingto continue to hurt and tell something can
interrupt that for them. The onlything's going to interrupt that for them is

(01:06:15):
love, bro Right. The onlything I remember watching this this thing is
gosh's got to be ten or fifteenyears ago, and it's this murderer,
some guy who murdered a bunch ofgirls, some you know, crazy guy.
Yeah, and um he got sentencedto death. And on the day
of his sentencing, the judge allowedall the victim's parents to come and talk

(01:06:40):
to him. And as you canimagine, people up there saying, go,
yeah, I dare you. Peoplelosing their shite, crying and screaming
and violent. And the last guy, guy that's like Santa Claus, big

(01:07:00):
dude, we're overall of the whiteBeard came up, sat down and said,
Hey, just so you know,I'm not mad at you, and
I forgive you and I love you. That guy fucking broke down into tears.

(01:07:21):
Bro That's the magic. And guesswhat that comes from. That comes
from loving yourself. That comes fromreally loving yourself, and that takes courage
and real strength, the real strength. That's that's called that's called being a
man. Right there, right,there's a new definition that's called being unfucked

(01:07:46):
with able, sir. Nobody canfuck with you ever again. You're done.
You've you've won the game because noone can take away from you what
only you can give to yourself.Only you can give it to yourself.
So how can anyone take it awayfrom you? You're good, right standing?

(01:08:10):
Your power game over, bro.So I know, I know that
things happen in life that are unforgivable, right right, But it's not worth
holding the grudge as well. Youknow, it's You're only You're really only.
There's only one relationship that's you andyou. So when you're fucking with

(01:08:32):
someone else, you're fucking with yourself. Would you forgive yourself if if you
did the same thing? Could youforgive yourself if you do the same thing?
And the answer is no, ifyou can't forgive them. I saw
a vision in my medicine journey.It was all of my ancestors, one

(01:08:58):
holding onto the back of another,holding onto the back of another holding on
the back but another holding on theback of another, And it was a
long chain and they're twisted like thedouble helix of DNA. Dude, my
buddy said the same thing. Mybuddies said the same thing. On things
that are shown. These things thatget shown to us are things. There
are things that these powerful medicines liketo communicate in this way because they are

(01:09:21):
effective. And it showed all ofthese chains of the ancestors onto each other.
They're all holding each other. AndI was at the front. Wow,
and I have all of them atmy back. And guess what.
When I choose to heal, Iheal them all. When you choose to

(01:09:42):
heal, you heal not just yourself, but you heal your entire family line.
How do we choose to heal well? Love yourself. Loving yourself is
a fantastic way. It's big,big stuff. If anyone's listening to this

(01:10:04):
and going, wow, I want, I want whatever that guy's having,
um, you know, I wouldI would suggest looking into a Boga medicine.
Yea. My brother is doing theretreats and his website is a Boga
rebirth. So that's beautiful, brother, It's life change and stuff. I

(01:10:25):
can't thank you enough for. Youknow the light you guys are shining in
this world, and you know beingtrue to yourselves and you know, being
that love and uh you know,being the change you wish to see in
the world. Yeah, you guysare really um show an example for everyone
else. Thanks brother, I appreciateyou having me on the podcast and reaching
now and totally it's fun to talkman for sure. All stuff way man,

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um, yeah, before I getyou out of here. UM,
I remember when I met you atthe show. You were selling those those
Dreamers herbs and I wasn't fortunate enoughto get any at the show, but
I just ordered some recently after lesseningto the podcast you did with the founder

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of that Um. Yeah, yeah, man, I'm fascinated to experiment with
these teas. But UM, Iguess to plug your your sponsor for the
show. UM, can you givea breakdown of what the teas are all
about and how they've had an impacton your dreams? Yeah? So we

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um work at this company called dreamHerbly. Amazing people and their product is
very fascinating because their tea there's reallygood tasting tea, floral, beautiful,
uh tea fruity kind of tea,and um, it has ingredients that help
aid your dreaming experience, help helpaid your like awareness and ability to remember

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your dreams. And I started drinkingthis tea and it had an insane effect,
Like you're like, yeah, somepeople it kind of works, and
some people that kind of doesn't.I'm like, for me, it was
like whoa like the second not thesecond. But a few days after starting
drinking it, my dreams started tobecome so intense that I was like waking

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up like mind blown. And withinlike a few weeks, I was starting
to have full on um lucid dreamswhere I was controlling my dreams and uh,
you know, flying around and doingcrazy stuff. I know, I
know. He said that he hadn'thad a lucid dream before he had tried

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these teas. Yeah, and theteas helped him to start lucid dreaming.
Was that the same for you orI can't I've had lucid dreams before.
Okay, I probably had a handful, but you know, I was essentially
able to like create lucid dreaming formyself by drinking this tea. Wow,
it's like whatever or these whatever theseingredients are in this tea is it's crazy.

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You can check them out online dreamerbly dot com. I believe it
is we're just we're just Google dreamerbly Tea. Yeah, definitely what's out
there plug for that? But yeah, anything um I didn't cover that you
would like to or any last wordsyou'd like to leave with the listeners.
Well, um, it's an opportunity, you know, fantastic opportunity to be

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here to talk about life. Andthanks for asking the questions and invited me
on and and doing the good work. Brother. I mean, I'm I'm
very supportive of you and your yourpath and your podcast and much love to
all the listeners out there. Anyoneout there who wants to come listen to
our podcast too. We have apodcast called Living in Dubiously podcast, So

(01:13:50):
come give us a listen sometime.And thank you very much, Bro,
thank you, thank you. Evan. Um and uh any events you wanted
to plug you got coming up orum? Yeah, we're playing Reconnection Festival
in June June eighth, weekend weekendof June eight. Yeah, so that's

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coming up real soon. Reconnection Festivalis very dope. Yes, it's I
need to get out to that.It's closer to me. Are you guys
playing Shang this year? No?No, no, you not playing Shang
this year. Well, that's disappointing. I'm sorry. Yeah, we've had
a lot of people say that.I'm sorry, We've had We've had many

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people contact don't tell us that.It's like, yeah, you can't really
expect Edny Festivals to book the sameact every single year. Kind of an
unrealistic expectation. And shang like they'veliterally had us I think like four or
five years in a row. Soright, you know these things happen.
Yeah, Well, thank you foreverything, Evans. Has been a beautiful

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conversation. I hope, yes,brother, Yeah, I hope everyone listening
out there you gained something from thisconversation, found a moment of presence throughout
it. I send you all peaceand love, and I hope you have
a beautiful rest of the week.Thanks for listening. Peace. What's a

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funny funny time when there's more thanmeets the eye and people lay a blast
of mind, then you only seewhat the money bunds. I'm not the
only one. I feel love fromthe sun. There's a place that we

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can go and we can learne owthe magic flows. Hold On, hold
on and son, you will seeshine. Hold On, Holdie, don't
move till you see shine. Whenyou see shop in desperate times, I

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see shop through very next rhyme showsup black and image in her mind.
Tryal and it goes good bye.Because when you're at your fooshoeing, so
become welcoming. Try to see thateverything it's the way that it should be.

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Will hold on, hold on andsoon you will see shine. Will
hold on, hold on, don'tlook to you see shine. The old

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brain in the all be well.I've had more than your blessed lie,
But I don't love lots of time. So we speaking the woman it rides.

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We'll try because I love you andI love this one, and I'm
sorry for the one ever. Thankyou for what it's well, for heaving
me the season again that things arebecoming more Ever you remember me happing into

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the power and win. Hold on, hold on, hold We'll hold on.
Hold on, don't until you seeshort and soon you will see shin