#180 - Revealing the Inner Sun & Kali Yuga w/ Yogi Zorananda

Yogi Zorananda is a musician, yogi and Meditation teacher.

Yogi's links:

IG Yoga: Zorananda Glamoclija (@zoranandayoga) | Instagram
IG Music: Zorananda (@zorananda.music) | Instagram

Spotify: Favors - song and lyrics by Zorananda | Spotify
Apple: ‎Favors - Single by Zorananda on Apple Music

Website: Zorananda

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Ascension of the Chessmen,diving into the esoteric, occult, spiritual,
and conspiratorial aspects of life, focusedon solutions to the problems we face
in our everyday lives. Let usascend up of all differences. Let us
be the light in darkness, abreath of fresh air to those who can

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hardly breathe, and together awaken intogreatness. This is Ascension of the Chessmen,
with your host Andre Middy. Welcometo the Ascension of the Chessmen podcast.
I'm your host, Andre Middy.Today's guest is a musician, Yogi

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and meditation teacher. The ladies andgentlemen Hobbinson Fairies give a warm welcome back
to Yogi's Ornanda. Hey, how'sit going great? How are we doing?
Good? To have you great?Yeah, I'm doing well. So
beautiful Sunday. Um yeah yeah,Like I don't know if you um have

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like heard in the news of allthe forest fires that are going on.
Um yeah, Edmonton's like where I'mfrom is like right, um, like
right in the middle of all that. So all this whole summer we've just
been choked out by smoke and thisis like one of the few days where
it's been like it's cleared up andum yeah, so it's it's nice to

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get the reprieve for sure. Ohyeah, we got to talk more about
that. Um. I also gotmy co host Jordan joined me to this
evening. Um, Jan it's greatto be here. It's an honor.
Awesome. Yeah, beautiful brother.Um yeah dude, So, UM,

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what are your thoughts on what's goingon with the four as fires? Is
this just like the normal go around, um, you know for as fires
this time of the year, Um, you know, is there something else
at play? Or yeah? Sohonestly, I like because I've lived in
Empton all my life and this isdefinitely new. I mean, the the

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first year where it was the worstwas twenty eighteen, and um, it
was the first time in my lifeliving here where I've ever seen like that
amount of smoke covering the city.And then now where it's almost been all
summer for us right where it's likeweeks at a time, we're just being

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choked out. And from the newsreports, it's being blamed on arson,
So it's being blamed on people whoare just going out and starting fires for
whatever reason. And my thought onit is in the areas that it's coming

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from are largely secondary forests. Soin those areas, there's a lot of
mining, there's a lot of likeforestry, there's a lot of like logging
companies. And so when you havea primary forest, you have a lot
of diversity, and you have massive, like four to five hundred thousand year

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old trees that have root systems thathold in moisture into the soil. And
so when a logging company comes inand just decimates these forests and cutting all
the trees down, clearing out allthe all the brush and planting just kind

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of like generic spruce and pine trees, is that any moisture that would normally
be locked into the earth that wouldprevent the fires is gone. And so
even if you were to have anatural phenomenon of like lightning that would just
like strike a tree in a primaryforest, the fire would be put out

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fairly quickly. And now you havelike huge swaths of land that are secondary
forests that are just getting like blazedover because it just doesn't have the moisture.
And so to me, it's likea karmic kind of consequence from these
logging industries that are going and justdestroying these old growth forests and we're seeing

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the consequence of it. And theunfortunate thing is then it's it's being blamed
on like climate change in a climatecrisis, and it's like, well,
I mean, if there is actuallytrue regulation on these logging industries, we
wouldn't have this problem. Um.And the interesting thing I went to a

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wedding like a couple of years ago, and I met this couple and this
like one guy just hammered drunk startstalking to me and I'm like, oh,
yeah, what do you do man? He's like he's like, oh,
I mean, I'm I'm a loggerright, like I'm in the forestry
industry. I'm like, oh shit, Like what do you think about all

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of the protests against them, againstcutting down all those growth and he's he
just points and he's like you seethat lady over there, And I'm like
yeah. He's like, that's mywife. She's the one doing all of
this. And I'm like what thefuck? And like yeah, she's the
boss. She controls the biggest loggingcompany in BC and they're cutting down everything

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and they don't give a shit.Wow. And I looked at him and
I was like, well, what, like what the fuck? Man?
He's like, there's nothing I cando. I'm just I'm just a worker,
you know, like I'm just solow. Like he's like, yeah,
I was just married into that family. She's like, He's like she's
her family's been in this or generations, they've been doing this for hundreds of

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years, right, and and solike to them, he's like they've been
green lit to do this stuff bythe governments and they're just plowing through it
all. And then then you lookat yeah, and you look at the
consequence, and you're like, well, who who's going to be held to
justice on this? Right? They'relooking for some one random dude that's the

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arsonist, right. But then it'slike, um man, yeah, and
so so it sucks because like it'shave you been in a big drought?
Then, like, have you guysgot much rain since all this has been
happening. Luckily, we do geta good amount of rain. So,

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um, I think just because ofwhere we're situated, um, along the
Rocky Mountain where we're just close enoughwhere yeah, the Rocky Mountains send us
lots of precipitation, so like periodically, you know, we won't get rained
for a couple of weeks or twoor three weeks, and then we'll get

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like a good downpour for a coupleof days, and yeah, and it
seems to subside things. But Imean, my conspiratorial mind then looks at
all of the fires going on,you know that, it's like it's not
just situated in one little area.It's like all over Canada, it's all

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over the United States, it's allover Europe. It's so to me,
it seems like possibly there's some kindof orchestrated Why are there is something connected
with all the ammonium nitrate that wantmissing? And man, the sun like
a week ago as the reddest Ihave seen it in the errors man.
Yeah, and they were saying likethey were theorizing that that's what was making

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the sky so orange. Was therelease of the ammonium nitrate that went missing
when those oh shit, those trainsderailed. I think it was in Ohio,
right, Yeah, who knows,but yeah, that's crazy. I
do remember it being fairly smoke evenhere in Lincoln over the last couple of

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months, never saying it was becauseof the Canadian wildfire. So, yeah,
there's that video that went viral froma fellow looking at a satellite image
of Quebec and just showing like allthe fire starting at once, and there's
probably like well over one hundred andhe just like like rewinds, goes forward,

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rewinds and goes forward. He's like, those fires are like hundreds of
miles apart from each other, right, and and to like it's basically making
up the whole southern part of Quebecand they're all starting at once. He's
like, how like how does thateven like happen? Right, And so
thinking about some kind of orchestrated effect, you know, yeah exactly, Yeah,

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yeah, for sure bad, butyeah it's good to hear for some
from someone directly that lives up thereand his experience firstand so it's crazy man.
Yeah, hopefully they're coming to anun soon. But we'll see.
That's the fortunate thing about us.We have brutal winters, so inevitably it

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gets you know, as soon asOctober comes, November comes, everything's covered
in snow. But yeah, Ijust like I think back to my childhood
and how weather patterns were. Thereare typical weather patterns, right, and

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living where we are, it's basicallyclockwork. As soon as October twentieth came
around, it was like winter starting, and as soon as Halloween came in
November, first we have our firstblanket of snow, and then that stayed
until March, and then then wehad our whole like Groundhog day, you

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know, the groundhog comes up andsees it shadow where it doesn't see its
shadow, and then you know,forecasts whether or not winter stays, and
then spring comes and then now it'slike all over the fucking place. You
know, it's like, yeah,it's like it'll be January fifth. Then
we're like, we haven't had snowyet, and it rains in November and

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December and we're like, what thefuck is happening? Right, and then
and then we'll get snow, andthen it'll and then the end of January
and forty will come and then nowthey call it like the polar vortex,
and we'll just get like minus fiftydegree like Celsius week where it's just absolutely
brutally cold, and and then thesnow will stay to like April. And

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so yeah, I had an interestingthought about possibly why we're like, we're
seeing such a dramatic effect of weatherand you know, like about ten to
twelve years ago, my prediction wasthat where we're located like so like in

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western Canada, that we're slowly becomingsubtropical, that there's this like kind of
shift of weather patterns and there's adisruption in it, so that the whole
like winter effect is slowly diminishing overtime. And my thought is over the

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last hundred years especially do well,I would say in the last like fifty
years, especially due to air travelthat and this might sound far out and
makes sense to my mind, butwhen you suddenly have millions of people traveling
the world going to different ecosystems,right, So say if like I went

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to Brazil, and I go intoBrazil and I'm breathing the air of Brazil,
I'm breathing the ecosystem, and I'mbreathing in particulates that are not native
to Edmonton, right, So youhave millions of people doing this, going
from one place all over. Sosay if I go to Brazil, I
spend a week there, I spenttwo weeks there, and I'm breathing in

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all that stuff is going and settlingin my lungs. Then I come back
home and I'm then re and thenI'm introducing those particulates into my environment.
And so my thought was, couldit be possible that we're changing the ecosystems
of our native home by traveling andgoing to all these different places and then

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we're introducing different kind of um likebacterial particulates and whatever, right, and
just like pollens and these different thingswhere it's not that humanity is changing the
climate because of like cars and stuff, that we're changing the climate just due
to our own breathing, and thatit becomes compounded with millions of people doing

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it, hundreds of millions of peopledoing it, and that there's a greater
effect of it. There's like,uh, what's the word, Oh,
I'm just losing the tip of mytongue here, like a critical mass,
right, So over decades and decadesand decades of doing it, suddenly then

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spreaders. Yeah, right, Andso how that can be like proven,
I don't know, but it's itstarts to almost make sense just from how
nature itself, like the environment isstarting to change and adapt and yeah,

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I think and that just kind ofgoes into how much of an effect that
we have, whether we really thinkof it just of our presence alone,
and like how we're breathing and whatwe're doing right well, you know,
it's like when Natives do a raindan start do a prayer for rain,
and literally you see rain manifest Like, I think, we're so much more

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powerful than we've been told, youknow, growing up. And you know,
that's something I really love about juYogi is you really dial that in
and you know, show people backto themselves and showing them yeah, you
can tap into this psychedelic we knowas DMT that's within all of us.
And you know, doing intense breathwork this morning really unleashed that and allowed

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me to see it firsthand. Again, It's been a while since I did
breath work, But man, wheredo we begin with this? I guess
over the last year since I've seenyou last, have you been doing more
breathwork or meditation practices to harness thatyou within or the intervenience DMT release.

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Yeah, so breath work is prettyfoundational in my practice, I think,
just naturally out of like everything thatI have practice, it's the one part
of it that I'm just naturally kindof good at or just kind of built
for. And so in my pursuitof understanding what the nature of this body

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is and how this kind of likebiological machine that we are functions m d
MT and it like like this indodgeents. DMP has played a pretty large
role in in like my meditation andin my praniama, because I've been able

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to really I've been able to noticevery clearly significant change in my perception from
doing powerful praniama right. And it'slike it becomes pretty evident, right,
especially when you're you're doing particular breathfor it for a prolonged period of time,

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like in one sitting, that there'ssomething happening and um, you know,
usually in the first iterations of it, you might not really understand what's
happening, but there's a tangible kindof feeling there's a shift, right,
um, like you're just a sugarbill. Yeah. And and so the

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most powerful experience that I've had,UM in understanding like what kind of activation
takes place UM is through this sequencethat I formulated and I put together from
already existing breathwork UM and like praniamatechniques where I've been able to induce a

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ring of light like right out ofthe center of my forehead. So if
you're like and I think this isa natural phenomenon, Like I think it
happens when in certain particular certain instanceswhere there's a lot of concentration, there's
a lot of focus for whatever reason, where you close your eyes and you'll
kind of see this Like at first, it's kind of like yeah, it's

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like yeah yeah, and it's umand it's like it's like black around sound
and then it's like a very brightdonut right, and then there's like black
in the center. So um,holy shit all the time, and I'm
like wow, okay, so um. The techniques that I do um and

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and mind you like again, I'mthese are Sanskrit words. So it's um
kapala bati, which just means skull, shining breath um. And sahaja agne
sar doughty, So um agne isfire, doughty is cleansing, so it's
like the fire cleansing technique. UM. And essentially by bridging these two together,

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I've been able to induce that ringof light and it got to such
a degree where there's one and I'veonly been able to do this once.
Um And because this was several yearsago, when I was doing like a
two hour practice like every day,which I'm not really doing right now,
but where that ring of light showedup so strongly that I opened my eyes

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and it was there like in myworld, and I'm like, and so
that so enabling that is another thingcalled Chambabbi mudra, And essentially shambabbi mudra

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is to take an object. Sosay, traditionally what yogis would do is
they would take a rock, likea really smooth, very like simple round
rock, and they would stare atit and they would study it to every
degree or every little final define arydetail, and then they would replicate it

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in their mind. So they wouldstare at it, then close their eyes
and reproduce it. And the wholepurpose of shambabi mudra is to create it
in your mind so vividly that youcan open your eyes and it appears,
and then you recreate you then recreateit in your environment so not only you

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see it, but other people seeit. Wow wow, and and so
there's like stories of yogis who puton a whole display of an event.
And so there's this. In India, there's something called the Maha Kumba Mela,
which is like this festival that goesthrough all the like towns in India

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that basically all the statues and allthe yogi's come and they go on this
whole march. Like there's a wholecontroversy during the pandemic of one of the
Kumba melas that went through and likethere was like two million people and they
like, we're told that they can'tdo it right because of the pandemic.
Yeah, and they were just likefuck this, like you're not stopping us.

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So there's a yearly one and thenthere's one every twelve years. So
the one every twelve years is aMaha Kumbomela. And then that's what that
one's like the more special one becausetypically like a yogi or sadu will start
a sad in us, so they'llstart a practice and they dedicate themselves to

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do it every day for twelve years, and so it's timed that every twelve
years they then go and celebrate byhaving this whole like you know, parade
and stuff like that to celebrate thetwelve years that they spent. And then
people come and they seek advice fromthese sadu's and so there's a story of

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this one stad you. It's calledthe rope trick, and essentially this like
Sadu shows up with a wicker basketand has a big, thick, like
twenty foot rope, and he hasa little disciple, and so you know,
people are all around, they're alllooking at this display that's going on.

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So he goes into the basket,takes the rope and throws it into
the air and then it stands completelyerect like a pole. And then his
little disciple climbs up the pole orthe rope sits at the top of it,
and everyone's clapping and like oh wow, you know, and the Sadu
like tells the boy to come down, but the boys like, you know,

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little shit heads. So he's loving, no, I'm not doing it.
And so the Sadu pulls the ropedown, takes the boy and pulls
a sword out of the wicker basketand chops his head off in front of
everybody. Wow, and everyone freaksout right, and he puts, yeah,

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he puts the he puts the ropein the basket, puts the sword
in, puts the kid's body in, closes it and then everyone's tricking out
in the side. Who's like no, no, no, it's okay.
It's okay, it's okay, anduh lifts the lid and the boy pops
out. Yeah, and then soeveryone's clapping, right because it's like it's
like a magic trick, right,but it's like so real, yeah and
uh, and so he goes aroundcollects money from everyone, so there's um.

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In the fifties, there were ateam of French researchers that went to
document this rope trick and so theywent and were taking pictures because they found
it, and they were taking picturesof everything, and because they they knew
because they were like occultists as well, and they knew that like there's something

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up with this. They have heardabout Bobby Mudra and they're like, there's
got to be someone around that's controllingthis. And they ended up finding and
seeing like off in the distance therewas this like Sadu that was sitting under
a tree with his eyes wide open, like staring at the at the whole

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display. And so they went tohim and they're like, we know,
we know you're doing this like aprotector. Yeah, and so he ended
up like telling him everything right,like yeah, I was creating all of
that just out of humbobbi Mudra,and he ended up like telling them about
how they like how they do this, And like the point of this,

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I think is that because we arebuilt on patterns and behaviors and habits,
is that the foundation in the structureof our perception of our reality is through
how how strongly we focus on creatingwhat's around us. And because like Indian

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people and these Sadu's are born inthe world where they have direct access to
teachings that tell them to remove themselvesfrom material world and to study and to
take on these practices that they're theconditioning of their brain and the conditioning of
their body is geared towards being ableto do phenomenal things, where like us

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in the West, we're geared towardsbeing materialistic. We're geared towards creating and
experience that's aligned with everyone else,right, live like getting a job,
going to school, getting an apartmentand getting a house, getting a partner,
having kids, like you know,and living in the data yeah,

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and so like fresh up the assemblyline. Yeah. And because we're born
into it, like that's our karma, right, and so in yoga and
like the kind of Vedic system isthat it's important to fulfill the obligation of

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your karma, Like, before youcan even branch into the more phenomenal experiences
of what it is to be aspiritual human, there's a fulfillment that needs
to take place. And how longthat takes is like you don't really know,
right, and if and if you'retrying to fast track out of it,

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there's going to be consequences to it. And so the best thing that
you can do for yourself and yourfamily and your friends and the people around
you is to do everything you canto be harmonious to fulfill that karma,
and you will then naturally be takeninto the dharma of like your more spiritual

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evolution. And so trust the process. Yeah, and that doesn't mean that
like you cut yourself off from anyspiritual teachings, right, and just like
because there's consequences of that too,right Where you probably have met people who

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like suddenly dive into all these spiritualstuff and then they come out of it
and they go back to the normalworld and then they totally forget all the
spiritual teachings and then they're like,all this weird shit starts happening to them,
and they're like, well, Idon't get it right. And it's
like, well, because when youare initiated into this like next level,

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you have a responsibility to uphold itright. And yeah, and even though
like you know, for me,I live my twenties traveling the world,
going to India, going to Thailand, but I knew it was impermanent,
Like I knew it wasn't actually goingto be the thing that I carry for
the rest of my life. Right, I'm not can be I'm saying I

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knew our journey. Yeah, Iknew that there's like this window and I
was like, Okay, I havethis window of period of time to do
these things because I know it's something'sgoing to catch it up to me where
then I will have to be groundedin my life and I'm going to have
to thinking stage yeah exactly. Andso the understanding like just just consequences,

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you know, I think for whateverreason, like we as just humans here,
we just don't ever want to thinkthere's consequences to our actions, right.
We always want to think that likethe thing that we're doing is like
the best ever. And and yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah that
guy will get in the way sometimes. But I feel like dude's spiritual,

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he goes even more dangerous because youknow, you talk about materialism, I
think within the spiritual community, yousee so much of like this you know,
badge of honor people wear on theirsleeves, like having to prove how
spiritual they are by you know,how many bracelets they wear, how many
yoga mats they've collected, or whateverit is. You know, it's like,

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oh man, it's your presence.Yeah, I did. You know.
The thing that gets me is thevoice, the like spiritual voice,
Like like people who suddenly have likean awakening either it's like yeah, they
have like some crazy meditation or psychedelicsor something, and they come from like
just speaking normally to like oh andthen yeah, you must breathe deep into

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the depths of who you are.And I'm just like, oh my god,
I just like I can't handle it. Yeah, I Like, there's
gonna be times like I find like, um, if I'm in a yoga
class and you know, I'm liketeaching the yoga class and and it's I'm
at the end of it, There'sthere's a softness that's gonna come up,

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you know, after like being ina meditation and like it's gonna change your
voice to a degree, but thenlike to then carry then to carry that
out and to say that like,oh yeah, it just changing your voice
to reflect some kind of spiritual growthto me, like, it doesn't.

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Yeah, you know, it's notpretty quickly yeah organic, you know.
And I feel like it's putting onthe front to like put out this projection
of what they think someone's spiritual issupposed to look like, and it sends
off the total wrong image to thosewitnessing it, and they're like, well,

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I kind of see through that stuff. And I think there's a lot
of that within the spiritual community tolook out for, and that's where discernment
is key, you know. Andum, you know, also learning from
those experiences too of what not tobe and like how to be better yourself
of like oh maybe there's some ofthat in me where I can kind of

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be a spiritual materialist and I needto tone it back a bit, like
but my ego and check you know. So it's oh yeah, like the
weird world up points. But yeah, man, um sou what have you
found? Um as far as likea daily practice, um as far as

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meditation, yoga and breathwork, doyou kind of like alternate the three or
kind of mix them all together,or how do you see best works for
you? Or you just kind ofgo with the flow with it. Yeah,
I kind of go with the flowwith it. Um. Typically it's
a package, you know, likewhere you have UM like some mantra,

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some breathwork, some movement and theneither ending with them mon or ending with
breath work and then into meditation.But I think, UM, really,
how how your life looks like?Because even for me personally, like,

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yes, I'm a yogi, DoI do a crazy practice every day?
No? I don't. I havea nine to five job, you know,
And I am honest with myself andominous and open with um like listeners
and people around that when I getto my practice is when I get to

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my practice, and so I don'tallow myself to be like, I'm not
hard on myself if like if there'sa day where I sleep in and I
wake up and I'm like, okay, well, I you know, I
have half an hour to kind ofget ready and go to work. You
know, I'm not going to beatmyself up that I didn't do my breath
work, you know, because theweekend will come and you know, I'll

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have an opportunity either to do aworkshop with my teacher like I did today
and where I spent three hours doingcundalini with him, Right, And so
I see that there's an organic wayto go about it, where yes,
you can do it every day ifit's available and if you have the space,

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Like I just moved into a newhouse with two roommates and I just
don't really have the space for itas well, and I'm not going to
put myself in a position where I'minvasive as well, right, where like
I could do it out in theliving room at seven am and wake everyone
up with like like you know,right, And that's what I was singing

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today. I was like, Okay, now that it's the summer, it's
like I have a backyard. Ican totally do it outside, right,
And I was already thinking about thattoday and so but even that is limited
because of once winter comes, it'slike do I want to be getting outside
when it's minus ten minus twenty?Right? Yeah? Put this discipline or

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how did you fall into Yeah?So I got into yoga in my early
twenties. Um, but the interestingthing I had yoga in my life since
childhood in this like weird indirect way. And I remember when I was a

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kid, I used to lie inbed and I would do like breathwork,
but I didn't really know what itwas, right. I would just lay
on my stomach and I would takedeep breaths in hold my breath and then
exhale and then feel myself just likemelt into my bed, into my bed,
and I would just do that andI'd feel myself, and I was

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training myself to observe it in aparticular way too. And this was when
I was like eight or nine yearsold where I saw the there was like
this progression of slight changes that wouldstarted to happen where first it's just relaxation.
I'm breathing, and suddenly I wouldstart having a stream of thought.

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I would just start talking, andthis stream of thought would just be talking
about anything. When I'm an eightyear old kid, I'm talking about like
I don't know, like yeah,or it would just be a conversation.
I would just start having a conversationwith someone, right, and then suddenly
I'd be removed and that conversation wouldbe happening by itself, and then it's

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the talking is happening, but I'mnot doing the talking. And then it
would grow louder and louder and louderand echoy, and then I'd start to
feel myself growing bigger and bigger andbigger, and then I'd feel my back
touch the ceiling and it would itwould like freak me out a little bit,
and then I would come back tomy body and pass out. And
then I would like and then Istarted to take note of that. And

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because I was a kid, It'snot like, oh, I'm gonna do
this every day because I just figuredout something crazy. It's just I would
kind of forget about it, andthen days or weeks would go by,
and then I'd be laying at bedand I'd just start doing it, like
almost involuntary, right and then andso Carr experiences with your folks or not

(36:21):
that stuff. But my parents taughtme how to dream. Like they were
huge in asking me what I wasdreaming about. And my dad would always
tell me his dreams and my momwould tell me her dreams. And I
remember just recently I asked my parents. I was like, did you ever
do that with like my like likebrother and sisters? And they were like,

(36:45):
no, I don't think so.So there's this phenomena that happens in
like even like religious families, wherethere'll be one child that is being taught
these like kind of spiritual practices justintuitively right for whatever reason, the others

(37:07):
are like yeah, yeah. Andso I started at a young age just
really paying attention to my dreams anddoing this kind of breathwork that prepared me
for when I would actually take onthese practices as like a yoga practice.

(37:31):
And then as soon as I starteddoing yoga, I started doing the breath
with It's like all of this cameback and I was like, okay,
now it makes sense that and it'ssomething that my teachers said. I interviewed
him on my podcast and one ofthe questions I asked was, how did
you get into yoga? He justlooked at me. He's like, I
didn't get into yoga. I waslike, okay, what do you mean.

(37:53):
He's like, this body came withyoga, and I was like holy
shit, and yeah. And thenand then it got me thinking. I
was like I was like, well, did my body come with yoga then?
Because like yeah, why why amI so? Why is this so
innate in my life, right,And I was like, holy shit,

(38:13):
this body already came programmed those posesas children, Yeah, right, like
headstands and wheel pose and like bridgepose and stuff like that. I remember
doing all that stuff when I wasa kid. Oh yeah, I love
the yeah. So um yeah.So there's this neat like quality of my

(38:37):
life that even though I'm just aregular person like everyone else, right,
but there's this thread of synchronicity.And in my book, I like to
call it phenomenal experiences that we allgo through phenomenal experiences, whether it's like
we see apparitions like the we're thekind of dreams that we have. There

(38:59):
are other prof fedic or even likepsychedelic experiences or experiences meditation that we're all
equipped with having these phenomenal experiences.However, there's this agreement for them not
to be invasive in a way wherethere's a choice of whether or not we're

(39:22):
going to actually pay attention to them. And so you know, if you
ask just like everything, any regularperson, they might say like, oh,
I have never had experiences like that, and it's like, chances are
you have? But I think there'syeah, I think there's a degree too
of like levels to it, oflike if you're if you're the type person

(39:45):
that doesn't really pay attention to them, then you're probably a beginner in them,
and your phenomenal experiences are going tobe pretty basic. You know,
they're going to be like coincidences toyou know, like a higher level practitioner
of observing phenomenal experiences. And theseare the people who like become shamans and

(40:05):
like they're psychonauts and stuff like that. Right, and then there's also um
experience UM with DMT inducing situations likeyou were staying on Sam's podcast that the
twelve hour journey you know, equatesto like twelve years of ketchup that you
have to transmute and go through toreally get the quintecessence of the experience that

(40:30):
you had. Yeah, I canattest to taking the shortcut versus the long
round about and those yeah, theabrasive that that, Yeah, if you
don't know how to integrate, you'regoing to be struggling. Yeah, oh
yeah, Or if you dive rightback into it expecting to get more,

(40:50):
and then medicine's like what are youcoming back for? You still did to
unpack that last year deep respect forAubrey going into the dark UM student,
you know, men into the tribe, was putting them in the cave self
induced. I also wanted to talkon UM. You know what what set

(41:13):
your teacher apart from the rest,which made you really connect with him and
know that you had a lot tolearn from Um. You know what he
had lived through and was ready toteach his devotees or you know, his
students. Yeah. So when Istarted actually like practicing yoga going to studios,

(41:38):
there's a studio in Empton here calledPrana Yoga Studio. And my good
friend Chris, who I've known sincewe were kids, he told me about
the studio and he was like,there's a thirty day sun Rise challenge happening.
You should come with me. It'llbe great. This like because he

(42:00):
started getting into yoga before I didand uh, and so he's like,
yeah, like, let's do thistogether. It'll get you into it.
And so as I was finishing thechallenge on their kind of bulletin board,
they had this um like card,this poster with vishg on it doing like

(42:23):
one of the craziest poses that youcan do. It's where you are kind
of sitting in lotus, but yourfeet are like tucked up like this,
They're like the backs of your feetare touching and it's like up in his
stomach and he's just like smiling andhe's just going like this, and I'm
looking at him, and I lookat Isabelle, one of the teachers.

(42:43):
I was like, who is that? And she looks and she's just like,
Oh, that's Vish. He's likehe's the founder of a kunda yoga
like that we teach here, likewe're all students of his right. And
I was like, And then Isee another poster that they're doing a teacher
training the following year in August,and I just look at her and I
was like, I'm going to that, and she's like amazing. And so

(43:07):
that was like my first introduction andso and so even before I met him,
right, I have that I havethat seed planted to me, Okay,
I'm gonna go do this training training. And I end up having a
dream where I meet him. Andin this dream, I just I were

(43:30):
in like this kind of forest meadowarea and I walked through the pot forest
and it opens up to the meadowand there's this big circle of people and
him and this um in my dreamit was his wife but um, but
it was another Indian woman, whichlike didn't make sense because I found out

(43:52):
that his wife was a Canadian womanand it's just like him and his wife.
But like even in the dream,it was because I never met him,
Like they were kind of weird lookinglike it was him, but he
was like really short, and hewas kind of looked like looking like um,
like a kind of like goblin elfweird thing. And I just and
it just stuck out so much.But like I it just it was so

(44:16):
endearing that like he just like showedup like weirdly in my dream and like
all these people and it's like andthen all these people turned to me and
they all like embraced me into it, right And and so around that time,
I had met this other couple whowere practicing a Gamma yoga, and

(44:37):
so I ended up basically finding thesetwo different schools of yoga kind of like
at the same time. And thiscouple were teaching out of my apartment and
they were you know, and Iwas like getting really deep into into his
name's us off into what he wasteaching. And as soon as December rolled

(44:59):
around. He's like, you know, me and Blair are going to Thailand
in January, so like we're gonnahave to end here and you know,
we're going to go back to theschool that we normally teach at. And
again I was just like, yeah, I'm going. And he even asked.
He was like, well, that'sgreat. Do you like it's probably

(45:21):
pretty expensive. Do you have likemoney saved up and like you know all
this stuff? And I was like, no way, it's you know,
I'll figure it out. And liketwo weeks later, my dad calls me
because we do at that time,we were doing exterior home renovation right like
siding and soften and stuff, andso he calls me and he's like,
hey, we just got a jobdoing all the steel corugated siding on this

(45:44):
like hotel and I was like nofucking way. He's like yeah, like
you know, like we're charging himlike fifteen grand. We're each going to
get like seven grand out of it. And it was like boom, It
just like paid for my whole trip. And I ended up going to Thailand
for two months in twenty twelve andgoing to this Agama school and meeting the

(46:07):
swami there right his name's Swami VivicunundaSaraswati, like this big Romanian man,
and I had just like an amazingtime at that school, and like the
yoga prop program was just like soin depth and so good and so yeah,
I end up doing that and comingback and then enrolling right away into

(46:30):
the teacher training for Gama yoga Idon't know, for a Kanda yoga,
where I then got to meet vistruglike in person in the last week of
the training, and so like thatyear was just like a huge year of
yoga and just like initiation for meof like living in Thailand for two months

(46:51):
and doing yoga like every day twicea day and then coming and doing this
training and then meeting Vistrugi and whatout like what really secured visg as my
teacher was this one experience that Ihad in the training during that last week.

(47:12):
So it was on a Thursday.I woke up like because we went
out to this place called the BehighCenter and it was like this whole like
retreat kind of center area and sojust like one morning I woke up and
I just wasn't feeling well. Andthe way that the teacher training worked is
that you get you get to misstwo classes, and if you miss any

(47:36):
more than they provoke the training certificatefrom you and you have to kind of
make it up afterwards. So Iwoke up, I was like, you
know what, I've I've only missedone day because of my brother's wedding,
and so I have another day thatI can just like take to myself.
So I wake up and I lookat the clock. It's like five in

(47:57):
the morning. I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna go back to bed,
close my eyes. Immediately opened myeyes again, and I'm dreaming,
but I don't realize I'm dreaming.And my door to the door to my
dorm is wide open, and there'slike and it's and it's mid day now
and sunshine is coming through, andI'm like, who opened my door?

(48:19):
I'm like, this is weird,Like what time is it? And I
see this butterfly fly by the door, and then Visg is standing at the
foot of my bed and he's wearingall white and he's like illuminating white light
and I'm looking at him and heputs his hand out and he says,
come, and I'm like, no, Virg, I can't. I'm still

(48:42):
sick, Like I can't come toyour class. Like I'm so thinking that
I'm awake and that he's just wantingme to come to like the class,
that it just it doesn't clue inthat like he like something else is happening.
And then he just like doesn't sayanything, just drops his hand and
I wake up, and I'm likeimmediately I'm like, oh fuck. I'm

(49:06):
like, oh, he was tellingme to come with him to like out,
like to come with him to likeinto the sunlight, like to go
like ah, I'm like, ohmy god, I fucked up so bad.
But I look at like about it, you lose it all. Yeah.
And then like and I look atthe clock and it's like five minutes
before the class starts, and I'mlike, holy shit, like like a

(49:27):
whole hour went by, right,And so I just like I'm still not
feeling well. So I'm like whatever, I'm just gonna go to bed and
I you know, wake up andthen uh like go to breakfast and go
to the classes and um. Andthen around lunch, he would go back
to his room and take like ashavasna kind of nap and so as he's

(49:49):
going to a room. I catchup to him and I'm like, hey,
I just want to share like thisweird experience that I had, Like
I had a dream that you likecame to me, like like I had
this stream right before the class thatyou came to me like wearing white robes
like telling me to come with you. I'm like, did you do that?
And he just looks at me andlaughs. He's like no. He's

(50:10):
like but I noticed that you weren'tthere. So I just thought, you
know, like, oh, what'swhat's wrong with him? Like is he
okay? And it just like hitme. I was like, holy shit,
him just thinking yeah about me,like you're subconscious, yeah, like

(50:30):
projected himself and like that was likethat showed me like, hey, this
dude is fucking like powerful, likethis guy like there's this something more.
And then like that solidified like um, him him being my teacher and that
there's something special going on here.Um. And then from that point forward,

(50:51):
I had like a multitude of experiencesof like him showing that like yeah,
like there's something powerful going on notonly with him but just with his
his school and and everybody involved,right right, Yeah, I mean because
you hear about like these uh yogastudios that have other you know operations going

(51:12):
on behind the scenes, or youknow gurus that are you know, praying
praying on young women and stuff likethat. So yeah, I'm sure it's
it's it's you know hard to youknow, use discernment um to make sure
that you know, you don't havea snake oil salesman or someone you know
parading themselves as someone they're not orsomething, because yeah, there's a lot

(51:35):
of that going on too, Sojust something to watch out for. Yeah,
And the thing that I realized whenit comes to initiation into UM a
yoga school is that there's and likeI've never been told this by anybody,
it's just like something that I intuitedis that UM there's a curse that underligns

(52:00):
it and it's a protection for thelineage. And I think it's it's something
specific with UM with Yogi's and sadusin India, and that when it comes
to the teachings that they're UM likeexpounding to people, is that there's this

(52:22):
underlying curse that protects the teachings.And so when you're initiated into specifically like
a really legit lineage, like Misigescomes from the not Yogi lineage, and
the not Yogis have been around Indiafor thousands of years. Like his teacher
is like Baba Premnat and another oneof his teachers is Yogi not so like

(52:45):
he's tied directly to one of theoriginal yoga lineages. And so what I've
found is that people that I knowwho have done the trainings and who have
taken the teachings, and instead ofgoing out into the world and like continuing

(53:07):
those yoga teachers, they start tothen abandon it and teach their own thing.
And then what ends up happening isthat like everything about what they're doing
falls apart and they end up justlike not participating in yoga at all anymore.
And so I like, I foundit interesting at first because I have

(53:30):
like close people who are also aKanda yoga teachers who would do the training
and then they would come out ofthe training and suddenly they're advertising their own
teachings, and I'm like, well, wait, what's going on here,
because like you went into that programto become an a Kanda yoga teacher to

(53:51):
teach a Kanda yoga, right,and you're initiated into it to then abandon
it and then go like create yourown new thing, and then what ends
up happening is over a few years, it's just like it all like crumbles,
and it all like even to thepoint where I have like some friends
where like crazy shitty things start happeningto them, and I was wondering.

(54:14):
I was like, could there bethis like hidden kind of curse where yeah,
built into it? And I thinkthis is where the whole Christian kind
of community thinks that there's like thisdemonic force with yoga, and and I
think it's because in in like thelexicon of the Vedas and Hinduism and Yoga

(54:38):
is that there's, um, there'sa very like noticeable duality of these like
forces, right, and that theyogi is actually aware that there's influence from
both sides, and that the yogiis a tune to first being surrendered to

(55:01):
divinity, but then to know thatwithin divinity there is good and evil and
that you can steer through it ina way where the like kind of like
demonic evil side doesn't ever touch you. But if there's others who are going

(55:21):
to try to manipulate through your teachings, that they're going to be touched by
it. And I think what endsup happening is that there are these born
again Christians who were like you know, new age spiritualists or Yogis that end
up getting fucked over by these likekind of like so called evil forces because
they abused it in some way.And then they find Jesus and then they

(55:45):
go, oh, look see howevil it was. And I have Jesus
in my life and like, Butthe thing is is that they're setting up
a pattern and they don't even knowit that the same thing is going to
happen to them even in their newChristian kind of like self and they and
they just don't have the foresight andseeing that like inevitably it's all gonna crumble

(56:07):
anyways. And it's because initially theytook an initiation that they abandoned and they're
setting themselves up for abandonment all alongthe way. UM. And so to
me, I felt fortunate because Ihad these two schools that I was kind
of initiated in with a Gamma andwith a Conda, and um A Gamma

(56:30):
went down that path with the Swamiof becoming like UM that manipulative school,
right where he then was accused oflike thirty two different like rape allegations and
um, you know like even likespreads um like chlamydia to a bunch of

(56:52):
people, and like it was thiswhole crazy thing. And so when I
when I went back in twenty sixteen, um with the intention of like,
yeah, I'm gonna continue my trainingwith a Gamma, I'm gonna get my
red sash, I'm gonna like butI saw how it was all falling apart,

(57:12):
and I was given this opportunity whilebeing on the island of like making
a choice, because like that islandis one giant quartz crystal. It's like
Rose courts, Sookie courts and inCrystal courts, and so it talks to
you and it communicates to you.And so while I was doing all the
yoga programming, like I was gettingthis like subtle guidance of like, look,
you have to make a choice betweenthese two teachers, and we're showing

(57:36):
you that in the Agama like he'sthe abusive one, right, and that
Visgy is like the light of yogaand he's like actually on the like the
real path of it. And soit was like you have to choose,
right, away otherwise like some crazicharacters in your hero's journey, you know,

(57:57):
yeah yeah yeah and Victor those teachers. Yeah, and so I like
I made a choice and I finishedthe Red Sash exam and I was like,
yeah, I'm not going back tothis, and um it like it
proved like quite um fruitful for mein choosing Conda yoga that um, I

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have a teacher who is wholeheartedly supportiveof his students in being like wholesome,
you know, like that's what acondom means, A kind of means whole
wholeness, right, So um yeah, it's it's in It's an interesting world
to be a part of, givenlike its recent history, right of like

(58:40):
consumerism in capitalism and um just likethe business model of of yoga and so
just this outer but not better.Yeah. And that's like the strange thing
of the pandemic was like the blessingof of shutting everything down was for me

(59:00):
to re evaluate what my role isas a yoga teacher and to set something
up for myself where um I canembody the practice in a way that is
aligned with um, my teacher inhis school, and to embark on this
um new way of sharing it rightwhere um, you know, meeting Sam

(59:25):
and Mark and you guys, whereI can I can speak on it in
a in a way where it's refreshingto people where they're like, oh,
it's not some like weird religion,it's actually or a cult. It's actually
a science. There's a science toit. You're discovering things about your your

(59:45):
physiology. You're discovering things about theway that your breath works and the way
that it changes your brain states andthe way that it opens up your body,
and that there's a way to exploreit that's that um is in a
new light like um uh yeah,I think I think it leads me to

(01:00:07):
the thought which I was just talkingwith my dad about this recently, of
like how science, like what wecall science now is really in reality pseudo
science, and what we call pseudosilence is in reality the original science or
the true science. And this iswhat you're talking about, like this holistic
system, not this everyone's a specialistin one part of the wholeness of what

(01:00:30):
is, you know. And Ifeel like we've just been so um,
you know, like shoved in boxesof tunnel vision and what's the word I'm
looking for just um, you know, yeah, specialists, but like,
uh, well it's compartmentalizing, compartmentalized, Yeah, that's the word yea or

(01:00:52):
yeah yeah. And so um,the thing that I realized about um yoga
coming to the West is um thatthere I call it waves, that there
are these waves of yoga and they'rethey're brought in by particular individuals. So

(01:01:15):
um, the first wave of yogato the West was brought by Swami Viviaca
Unda in the mid eighteen hundreds andthen Parma Huntsa Yoga Nunda in the late
or the early nineteen hundreds, right, So they were the first to introduce
to America what yoga is. Um. Swami Viviaca Unda brought Raja yoga,

(01:01:37):
um and Uh Yoga. Nunda broughtKorea yoga. And then the second wave
was Potabi Joyce Um and Iangar andthey brought Ashtanga yoga and um and and
vinyasa. Right. And so theintention, it seems, coming out of

(01:02:05):
India was that with the first wavethat the Western world was ready to receive
the teachings of yoga, and ithad to actually start with an alignment and
a harmony between Christianity and the Vedasright, and so when Swami Vivicnunda and

(01:02:30):
yoga Unda came, they're very likeGod loving. They're like, yeah,
we we believe the same thing.We believe that, yes, there is
one God. Um. Yes,in India, there's a whole pantheon of
deities and gods, but it allcomes down to Brahma and it all comes
down to like divinity and uh.And then yoga Unda came and said like,

(01:02:52):
we also love Jesus, we alsovenerate Jesus. And you know,
this is where the Holy Science goesinto. How the Vedas and the New
Testament are mirrors of each other.And that's a lot of what the New
Testament talks about is very clearly whatthe Vedas talk about. And here I'll

(01:03:15):
just I'll just read one passage here. Um, well, this this goes
in line with you know, thetheosophical movement, and you know the emergence
of h people of Vodsky and Manlyp Hall and these pole who are really
merged in the East and West asthis big movement was happening. But the

(01:03:38):
only thing about that is that hpeople of Botski and Charles Webster lead Beaker
and Alista Crowley were not yoga practitioners. So this is the thing to realize
is that they took the information rightto align with their theosophy to sell books

(01:04:02):
as opposed to uh, yoga Nundacame to the West. Yeah so um
uh so I'm just gonna read fromthe Holy Science here. Um. So,
what shrip Shart did is he pickedpassages from the Vedas and he found

(01:04:26):
um a line of the Gospel thatthey say the same thing, like literally
they say the same thing, andthe Vedas are hundreds and thousands of years
older than the tet New Testament.Like it's it's actually like it blew my
mind when I first read it.So um like, uh, I don't
know if you do video on uhwith on this, I'll probably release it

(01:04:49):
eventually on youtubeah um. So anyways, he has the original Sanskrit that he
that he puts in his book andit translates to in Sutra thirteen, this
universe is differentiated into fourteen spheres,seven spargas and seven potalas. Okay,
and then he and then he explainswhat the seven spheres are and they're the

(01:05:13):
locas. Loka essentially means like realmyeah, and then he says see Revelation
one twelve, thirteen, sixteen andtwenty, and it says, quote and
being turned, I saw seven goldencandlesticks, and in the midst of the
seven candlesticks one like unto the sonof Man, and he had in his

(01:05:41):
right hand seven stars. The sevenstars are the angels of the seven churches.
And the seven candlesticks which thou sawestare the seven churches. Yea,
yeah, it's all there. Andhe just goes on and on like he
picks like like gospel like line afterline after line in the line, and

(01:06:01):
he just goes like, here's fromthe Vedas, here's from that and and
so what happened though, was thatthe first wave wasn't strong enough, right
like it like Yoga Nunda initiated someonelike something like one hundred thousand people right
in the in the nineteen hundreds,but it just it wasn't strong enough.

(01:06:25):
So um, these like Swamis andthese Sadus from India sent more so in
the nineteen fifties came. But TabiJoyce and I Aanar and they realized that
the Western mind can't yet handle thiskind of stuff. That because at that

(01:06:46):
time the Western complex was very physical. They created vinyasa, so they turned
yoga into an exercise, right,And even Christian Macharia, who is the
grew of Potabi, Joyce and Iyangar, was taught by a British gymnast.

(01:07:06):
Wow, yeah, because like evenChristian Macharia's grew was like, look the
yoga that you do, they won'tdo in the West. So they Christian
Macharia was teaching a maharaj, sohe was teaching a like a king,

(01:07:27):
and they had a British gymnast there, and so the British gymnast taught this
kind of like flow which we seeas vinyasa. Now, like that was
from a British gymnast. And soChristian Majaria adapted that in and then created
a whole new system and then broughtthat to the West, and that was
then adapted into a strenga yoga whichis like the four primary series. And

(01:07:51):
then Ian Gar's ian Gar Yoga,and that then swept the Western world and
they initiated millions of people. Andthen Bickram came and then again swept and
initiated millions of people, right andum, so that was the second wave

(01:08:11):
and now we're in the third waveand we have people like um uh uh
Sat Guru, right, and sonow the third wave is coming back to
India. It's it went out intothe Western world. Now it's it's these
gurus who are then making a nowa big impact in India. And so

(01:08:36):
Visug, my teacher, is apart of that wave. And I feel
and I into it. And myprediction is that a fourth wave is coming
and this is the this is thewave that's going to like change everything.
Like I wouldn't say change everything,but it's it's it's the critical man.

(01:09:00):
So you have all these different schools, right, So now you have like
thousands and thousands of different yoga schoolswhere they're all operating, they're all growing,
and that's there's going to be thispoint where it all collapses into each
other in like a kind of likequantum like cold fusion kind of thing,

(01:09:24):
where then the like the negative forcesof influence of the elites just they they
will crumble under it. And somy theory about the pandemic is this that
it wasn't only to like usher inyou know, like digital currencies and and

(01:09:45):
stuff like that. That I noticedone thing so over the last since Woodstock,
Right, so since the first likekind of big music festival, wood
Stock. For the last fifty years, you have festivals that have been going
on bringing millions of people around theworld right to point leading up to twenty

(01:10:11):
nineteen that you have millions and millionsand millions of people living a new kind
of village right where you go toa festival and it's not like your life.
Right. You have this new kindof barter system, you have this
new kind of free trade. Peopleare like dancing and loving each other and

(01:10:34):
like doing spiritual practices like all likeall this crazy shit. Then all of
a sudden, all stopped. Everysingle festival around the world stops. Millions
of people who were used to travelingall over the place burning man, shambalaw,

(01:10:55):
lightning in a bottle, like youname it. There's even an island
in Croatia that was like Festival Islandwhere they just turned it into festival all
year round. Right, all ofthat ends, And I was like,
that is really particular, Right,that's peculiar, Like could it be that
they knew that these festivals who weremaking a huge impact on human consciousness of

(01:11:20):
like not only people loving each other, but then like alien contact that there's
like there's a lot going on here, like even even for myself when I
went to Envision, Yeah, likeit was actually like it's pretty crazy.
Yeah, there's this like streaming inof this like of this realm through these

(01:11:43):
festivals, right, and that's soenergy at those festivals. Man, I'll
tell you what. So I wentto Envision in Costa Rica in twenty fourteen,
and I did it sober, right. I'm like, I don't want
to do any drugs. I justI just want to do my yoga practice.
And I did day Vibes because Iwas told early on on, like
before I got to the grounds,like, hey, watch your shit,

(01:12:03):
don't leave anything in your tent becauseat night locals come in and steal your
shit. Right. So I waslike, okay, well, what I'm
gonna do is I'm just gonna goto bed early, right. And so
one night I'm lying in my tenton the main stage. There's just like
crazy side trans going on, andI'm like I'm just laying there like literally

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being put into a trance, andI'm like, oh my god, this
is the best thing ever. Andsuddenly I start leaving my body and I'm
just like floating and floating and floating, and I can see the grounds and
I'm just like floating higher and higherand higher higher, and I see the
earth getting smaller and smaller and smaller, and I'm like, holy shit,
where am I going? And Ilook up and I go right into a

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fucking ship. Wow. And I'mstanding there looking around and I see all
these people and they're like human,but they're not human, right. They
have like bigger heads, they havelike kind of light pinkish skin, they've
got big eyes, and they're allbusy. They're all so busy, like
put at all over the place.And I'm standing there for like just like

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dumbfounded. I'm like I just fuckingfloated onto a ship, like what the
And suddenly they all look at meall at once, and I'm like frozen.
And I hear whispering he's not supposedto be here. He's not supposed
to be here. He's not supposedhere, He's not supposed to be here.
And I'm like, oh shit,And then I just get kicked and

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I and they just like boot meout and I like fly so fast down
back into my body, pass out, and I wake up. I suddenly
wake up like no time went byand it's six in the morning, and
I'm like, oh my god,like flood full memory. It's like they
kicked me up, but they're like, you know what, you're gonna remember
this and uh and I just spokeup and I'm like, oh my god,

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that was amazing, and uh yeah. So I think it's like,
yeah, so I think there wasthis effort also, um with the whole
shutdown thing. Dude. I Iwas heartbroken when Shang was canceled that year
because I I'd go to Shang everyyear. You know, my favorite artists
play there, gathering of you know, like minded people, man. And

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it's not far from home, youknow, everybody has their home festival,
you know. And uh, likeyou said, man, it brings people
together. And I think they knewthat the consciousness was rising and these festivals
were getting bigger and bigger all acrossthe world, and they're like, we
got stop to this at least liketemporarily awakening. So yeah, any man.

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Yeah, And that's where I thinkthat like that was a kind of
last like ditch effort, you know. And and and it just showed me
that it's like, oh, likethese these families are losing power, you
know, and um and it andit's it's done through through the awakening that
it's like it's all an illusion,right and um and that like these kind

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of legacy families like I'm sure you'reaware of, like Santo Spinacci and like
a lot of his work and likehis xose of like the Orsini and the
Medici and the Farinas and like allthese all these families. Is that,
Um, what I've realized is thatwhen it comes to who are the enslaved

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on this planet, I've I've cometo realize that it's them that they made
this pact with these entities hundreds ofyears ago to be like the elite of
the of this earth. But whatit is is that they've bound themselves to
this realm and they can't leave rightand so forever through technological means. Because

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yeah, and so for us,you know, where where we come onto
this planet, like oh yeah,like we're going to be able to experience
a human that like we are theones that have the freedom. So like
everyone listening to this, we arethe ones that yeah, and and so
like this earth that we're on isgoing to stay as this earth. But

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we have the opportunity to come andplay right where they are here to be
bound and enslaved and and like sure, okay, they have mansions, they
have all this crazy shit in carsand like whatever, but when they die,
they don't get to ascend, likethey're like taken, Like no,
no, no, you're being bornback into this family where we have the

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opportunity to take on the spiritual practicethat shows us like oh yeah, like
we've come here to play, andwe can prepare ourselves to then go to
an earth where they don't exist,right, where there's a parallel earth where
it is peace and prosperity and therearen't these elite that enslave people. And

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it's like and it's a it's likebefore you die so you can actually love.
Yeah, like what, I don'tknow if you've ever gone into bischar
like Bichard's channeling. Yeah, Likeyou know, he was saying in one
of his lectures that like this isn'ta place like this isn't kindergarten, Like
this earth is like weird, it'sbut like it's mastery. Like the entities

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that see us coming here are likewhoa, Like you're fucking crazy, bro,
Like that place is fucking like hard, Like that's a hard place,
you know. And so for usto be here and we're like playing,
you know, and we're like we'refiguring it out and we're like becoming like
masters of where we are and uh. And so when we when we exit,

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we're given like a standing ovation.They're like, fuck, well fucking
done for going in there to beginwith. Like yeah, like okay,
like yeah, you had a hardlife, but man, you came out
of it. It's time to fuckinggo like where you deserve, you know.
And and so like that's how I'vestarted to see it. And so
whether or not, like you know, these elite you know, and what
they're doing, I'm like fucking haveadder, Like I don't care, Like

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the Earth can handle this, Likethis this everything that you're seeing, from
the most extreme evil to the mostextreme good, Like the Earth is like
yes, you know, because theEarth can handle it, Like what is
the duality? And you know,ascending them above it, you know,
because they're there for a purpose toshow us the other side of the light,

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you know, the darkness that's herethat is you know, like this
uh googly goblin monster that's hiding underour bed that if we just look it
fucking disappears. What do you fuckingface it head on? You know,
like any fears, Like the rootof fear is fear itself. You know,
I think it was JFK that saidthat, maybe even earlier. But
yeah, we're so afraid of deathin our culture and I think we're kind

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of meeting that's coming to a head. And you know, a lot of
people will say, like we're livingthrough this age of you know, religions
like losing numbers, like churches arelosing numbers. But I think people were
tapping into something higher than what we'veknown before that we've been missing and ultimately
we're just remembering what was lost andit's coming back to us now. Yeah,

(01:19:19):
and yeah, I think it's thispath of ascension that we're on like
collectively that like like I was sayingearlier, I think I think it was
before you started recording. But likein this book The Holy Science, where
should Shore like identifies that where weare in the Yugas that we've come out

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of the Cali Yuga, We've comeout of the age of darkness, We've
come into the age of electricity,and it's like it's obvious, right,
Like, you know, there waslike these very key moments in the eighteen
hundreds where suddenly it's like boom,transformers are created, Boom, the light
bulb has created boom, like thediscovery and like them, the dissection of
the nervous system is discovered, andlike all these advancements and suddenly like over

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the course of one hundred years,we're advancing through technology faster than we've ever
in in like thousands of years.And and He's is showing that it's because
we've we've we are entering into amore energetic state of the cosmos where the
direct cosmic energy that we're interacting withis involved with how our consciousness is advancing,

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and that we're on this upward swing. That this whole idea that like
oh, like everything's going to shitand like the planets doomed, and like
it's all propaganda. It's all fromthese elites that like that like are so
struggling on holding onto human consciousness.Yeah, and and and like they can't

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help it though, because like that'sthat's their m O and like that's the
the agreement that they made, andso they want us to think that,
you know, we are perpetually inthe stage of darkness when like, no,
we've come out of it, andit's evident with the technologies and advancements,
and it's just like I, likeI said this on Tinfoil Hat that

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like we're just at the fucking beginning, like what we have with electric cars
and like everything in our technology,we think it's so advanced, but like,
oh my god, we're just atthe beginning of what it's going to
be. Yeah, and like inour lifetime we're not We're not going to
see it. But like, um, you know, the technology of this
body that we have, and whatyoga under talks about is that we can

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utilize very specific yoga practices and kreasand meditations to leave this body to travel
through time space and to plug ourselvesin to a body that we are in
the future. And that's how wedo that is based on a very disciplined

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set of practices, and discovering thosepractices is going to be like the endeavor
that we embark on, right,And so for me, I kind of
wish I said this on Sam's podcast, But I've been in contact with my
next life and I've come in contactwith who I'm going to be five hundred

(01:22:29):
years in the future, and it'slike it's wild to think about. And
her name's Amareld, and she cameto me and she showed me, like
she showed me where she lives.She showed me what it looks like.
She showed me what my work rightnow with future life progression is doing and
will become a science, and thatto continue it. And she showed me
how she saved my life when Iwas eight years old. That when I

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was eight, I was walking homefrom school and on this sidewalk that I
was walking on on my right,there's these houses and there's a white picket
fence, and then there's an alleythat's perpendicular to the sidewalk. And as
I was walking up to the alley, I suddenly get a very clear vision

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like I'm no longer there, butI'm seeing myself walk into the alley and
get hit by a truck and die. And I stop right where the fence
meets the alley, and this whitetruck skids to a stop like this truck
was like cruising and it's like stopsand I look at it and I'm like,

(01:23:35):
holy fuck, and I just runhome right, and it like I
just like totally forgot about it untilI was sixteen, and it came back
into my wordiness when I was sixteen. I was revisiting it, and I
remember that there was like this presencethat kind of back into the left of

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my perception. There were these peoplethere. Yeah, and so in this
meditation. So how Emerald like cameinto my awareness is that there's one morning
I was doing my practice. Itwas a Sunday morning in twenty sixteen,
and I suddenly see this face andit's this woman with like really short silver

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hair with like thin sideburns that kindof like come down and curl. And
I'm looking at her and she's like, you know who I am? And
I'm like, uh, well,I don't, but okay, and she's
like, I'm you five hundred andthirty six years in the future and you

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named your harp after me? AndI like and then boom, She's gone,
and I hope my eyes look atmy heart and I'm like, holy
shit, Amareld. I'm like,and what It's such a random name,
right, And I don't know whyI named my harp like Amareld. And
so then that morning I went tomy friend Chris's Delani class, and after
the class, I'm sitting in meditationand like suddenly everything, yeah, everything

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goes black. And then I'm likeushered into this like huge cathedral with like
massive stained glass windows and like everything'slike this kind of like tealish greenish blue
color and a huge hallway that leadsto her sitting in a chair. Wow.

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And as soon as I take astep, I'm right in front of
her, and then she starts toexplain to me. She's like, yes,
I'm your future self, and youknow, like yeah, and then
she starts to explain to me howlike the work that I'm doing with future
life regression and then getting in contactwith your future self over decades and decades

(01:25:50):
and decades becomes this like science inthis like other Earth, and that like
I'm I reincarnate into her and shewas, and how like the vision that
I had when I was eight ofbeing saved was her being taught how to

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contact past versions of herself. Wow, And that like she was shown by
these like scientists that they called liketimologists to contact me particular to save me,
because I become her, And Iwas just like what the fuck?

(01:26:33):
Yeah, yeah, man. Andthen she's like she's like, that's the
thing. We're the time machine.She's like, it's not this like thing.
It's like we're the time machine.And uh and she's like yeah,
and so like keep going with thiswork. She's like it's not going to
really amount to Like she's like,you're not gonna see it really fully in

(01:26:56):
this life. She's like, youjust have to get it out there.
You have to get it out therebecause eventually it's gonna start like left making
its way. Yeah. Yeah,And so sometimes I don't know how to
handle that, Like I just likekeep it to myself. And I'm like
like and then and then there's likeparticular times where you know, I'm able
to share it and you know Idid write a book about it, and

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you know I put those stories inthe book and the like, yeah,
I just don't stress about it,right and um, and then I like
to tell people that it's like itdoesn't mean I'm special, it doesn't mean
I'm like I have this like complexaround it. It's like we all do
it, right, Um, itcomes down to self mastery, right,
So yeah, we all have thatpotential with then us, man, I
couldn't agree more and thank you fordoing the work and you know, showing

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others what's possible. I think,you know, I'll call us star seeds,
light workers, whatever you want tocall us. You know out here,
you know, gathering the tribes tocreate a better earth and you know,
yeah, for their future. Umas we're present throughout it. But
man, um, so thankful tohave you back. Brother, gone about

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an hour and a half. SoI feel like I've already kept you longer
than I promised you. So we'llhave to do another one in the future.
I just wanted to give you achance to plug anything you got coming
up or that new song you justdropped. I can't wait for the listeners
to hear it. Yeah. Sothe news creation is a single that I
just released called Favors that you canfind on Spotify and iTunes and or Apple

(01:28:29):
Music. Yeah. Check out mywebsite Zorando dot com. That's where you
can find my book and previous albumsand music that I've released. Yeah,
and my Instagram is orn under Yoga. Yeah. And I'm happy to answer
any questions and to support people ontheir journey. I really really enjoy it.

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That's really what all of this isabout is to help people understand who
they are and the r place inthis world. For sure, that's your
honor, couldn't agreemore brother Well,thank you all for listening out there.
I hope you gained something from thisconversation, found a moment of presence throughout
it. I send you all peaceand love. I hope you have a

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beautiful rest of the week. Thanksfor listening. Please peace