December 8, 2023 • 59 mins
Dr. Andrea Shakarian is a Chiropractor, hypnotherapist, clairaudent & spirit intuitive. She was previously on episode #114, if you want her full awakening story go back & listen to that one. This was a great conversation on Angels, Twin Flames & Self Love.
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Welcome to Ascension of the Chessmen,diving into the esoteric, occult, spiritual,
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with your host, Andre Mitti.Welcome to the Ascension of the Chessman podcast.
I'm your host, Andre Mitti.Today's guest is a chiropractor, hypnotherapists
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Claire Audience and spirit intuitive ladies andgentlemen, Hobbinson Fairies. Give a warm
welcome back to doctor Andrea Shakarian.Good to having me. Hello, thank
you for having me back on Andrea. It's a pleasure to be here with
you again. Most definitely sisters,so happy to have you back. I
really enjoyed our conversation last time.And yeah, it's awesome to check in
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with you again and see what's thelatest. That's right right on. Yeah,
So yeah, we're going to talkabout some angels today and your new
course you've got cooked up for us. So when did this all begin?
I know we kind of touched onthis last time. For those out there
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listening, she has been on before, so you can go back and check
that. I'll put the episode inthe show notes. But for the listeners
who aren't familiar, what's kind ofyour backstory with angels and did it start
for a young age for you,or was it something that kind of called
out to you as you got older, or some experiences you had had where
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you were just trying to make senseof it and kind of have a backstory
or words to grab onto to justdescribe where you were experiencing. Sure.
Yeah, So I mentioned in theother podcast that I grew up with the
Christian background and angels were definitely talkedabout in our family, you know.
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I would hear aunts and different relativestalk about stories of seeing guardian angels or
having experiences with angels. And thenI had an experience, which I think
I did talk about in the lastpodcast of kind of a near death experience
with an ATV accident, and Ifelt as there as if there was another
being, you know, hovering withme during that event. And so I'd
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always sort of had this belief inthe angelic realm. And then I was
handed a book when I was youngerby my piano teacher about angels that was
written by Billy Graham. Oh andyeah, I don't know, most people
don't know that he wrote a bookabout angels, but he did, and
it went into view, I wentinto real depth about the different forms of
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angels, from the seraphims to thecherubims to the arch angels. I mean,
it was pretty fascinating, and itwas based on his research from the
Bible, and so you know,that kind of opened up my fascination with
it. And then later in mytwenties, I discovered Dorien Virtue and she
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had a lot of material on angels, the archangels especially and angel numbers,
and so that was about fifteen twentyyears ago. I started taking her courses
on angel numbers and what that meantand how to open yourself up to receiving
messages from the angels through the angelnumbers. And of course I've had my
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own personal experiences with angels as well. So it's just been kind of a
love affair that I've had from anearly age, I would say, And
as far as like you know,we were talking pre recording about you know,
synchronicities and seeing numbers on license platesor your total at the cast register
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or at the gas pump, whateverit is. And it's like these repeating
numbers constantly coming up for you,whether it's days strands together, you know,
to create these patterns you start tonotice and pick up on and then
like what are all these numbers mean? And when did you start to draw
connections to them? You know,people refer to them as angel numbers or
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numbers of the angelic. How didyou start to draw those lines within your
own right? Well, like Isaid, when I started studying about angel
numbers through dorrine as I'm learning thedifferent meanings. Of course, there's different
meanings to numbers in traditional numerology andthe angel numbers, and so wish I
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had kind of dappled a little bitof numerology prior to learning about the angel
numbers from Doreen. But when Istarted learning about the angel numbers, I
feel like that was when the repetitivenumbers started showing themselves to me, or
I started noticing them, like you'retalking about on receipts and license plates,
in the clock and all of that. I didn't really put too much stock
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into the meaning. In the beginning, it was just oh, look there
it is again. Kind of athing, you know. I did notice
that I tended to see them moreduring times of transition in my life,
when I was being faced with choicesand decisions and constantly you know, second
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guessing am I doing the right thing? I felt like that was the universe,
the angels, your guide's way ofshowing you, you know, yeah,
you are on the right path orkeep going, you know, kind
of like a little daily reminder thatyou are connected to something in the spiritual
realm. Totally. Yeah, Ilike direction or like signposts exactly. I
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mean they always seem to comment likethe right times. I mean divine timing,
you know, perfect divine timing alwaysexactly. Yes, being in that
closed state picking up on them andhaving the awareness to even see they're there.
And animals too. Animal totems havebeen a lot for me lately of
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just kind of honing into that andstarting to understand what they mean on a
deeper level and the ones that callit to me, and yeah, I'm
fascinated by all of it. Right, Animals. I like to get messages,
or I do get messages from theanimals. I feel like in the
dream realm a lot like they'll showthemselves through the dream realm. Yeah.
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Yeah. I do landscaping outside,so I'm constantly on nature seeing different birds
and yeah, see a lot offoxes and raccoons in the early mornings.
Oh that's cool. Yeah. Myfather actually passed way last year, and
I have noticed that since his passinghe tends to use hawks as one of
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the ways of getting my opinion.Yeah, I love that, so cool
cross following me around and I say, it's it's an appropriate spirit animal for
me because we love we love totalk being behind my phone. Crows are
so smart. They're like one ofthe smartest birds ever, right right.
Yeah, I've watched some documentaries onthem. Pretty fascinating birds. But yeah,
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that's cool. Yeah. So uhAs far as for the listeners out
there listening, like what's what's kindof a one on one on your course
material and kind of where you takeyour students down on this path? Sure,
yeah, Like I know there's alot of like things out there that
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can interpret angel numbers for you tolike say your number is one on one
one or eleven eleven, and yougo on Google and you put in an
angel number eleven eleven, and youhave a million different hits that come up
that tell you what that means.Right, So my course is more about
teaching you how to interpret them foryourself so that when you see the number,
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you're more in tune with your intuitionand your basic under I give you
what what I like to call apeg word to associate with each number one
through nine or zero through nine,excuse me, so that you can put
the numbers together. So like say, zero to me means source or God,
and one is manifestation and two isfaith. So if you were to
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see the number zero, one,two on a regular basis, you could
kind of come up with some sortof meaning that makes sense to you based
on the peg words source, manifestation, and faith. You know, like
like, oh, God's trying totell me to keep my faith going because
I'm in the manifestation zone. That'sjust an example. So I break down
each of those numbers for you,and I give you ways to associate those
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pegwords with that number, kind oflike a like a pneumonic device if you
will, to help you remember that, because I feel like it is such
a personal thing it's not like aone size fits all, you know,
meaning behind the numbers. Yeah,So have you delven down into gametria or
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numerology, uh, like branched offof that at all? Or are you
not really into that sort of Notreally, I've just kind of keeping it
to the basic Agel number definitions thatI'm familiar with. But I do know
a little bit about numerology and youknow how you break it down numbers and
all that. Yeah, exactly,yeah, yeah, And what was the
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first thing you said? Though Iwasn't familiar with that term gemetria. I
believe it stems from like the Jewishcabbala and their whole or association of the
Jewish alphabet. Each word or eacheach letter of the alphabet had a coinciding
number. So uh, it's basicallythe belief that like phrases or words that
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have a numerical value, those samenumerical values of other words and phrases have
some interleague meaning. And there's likejametria calculators online where you can put in
your name or you know, whoam I going to marry or like all
these wild questions. Yeah, likelike it's coded yeah literally, yeah,
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so yeah, it's a rabbit hole. I've doven down a few times,
but yeah, yeah, I've justnot heard that that term jamitria. That's
cool, it's new to me.Yeah. I think I think of it
like the mixture of geometry and thematrix, like the geometrical fabric of it
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all that holds it all together.Right sure, yeah, but yeah,
math is just crazy if you thinkabout it. Right. Oh yeah,
just a bunch of numbers. There'sa bunch of numbers that kind of controls
a lot of stuff literally everything.Yeah, I know it's interesting, but
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yeah, so yeah, that's that'sbeen like my fascination. So I So
I developed the course last year andgot it out there and anybody that wants
to take it, it's available throughmy website. So awesome. Yeah,
I put the link to that inthe description. But yeah, I know
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we wanted to talk a bit abouttwin flames and soulmates. Uh do we
have more on angels yet to cover? You think my experiences with angels are
kind of cool. Like I've hadsome experiences where, well, when I
started studying the archangels, I feellike that they began to reveal themselves to
me. My mother had a reallyscare for her health, and we thought
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she wasn't going to make it fora while. She was in the hospital
for like three months straight. Andduring that time, I just remember having
this really profound dream with a certainangel and it turned out being arch angels
semmed often and he told he basicallydidn't talk in the dream because angels,
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I've learned, usually are more telepathicwith their communication because they're just vibrating.
It's such a high frequency they don'tneed to talk, right, And so
in the dream there was just thiskind of reassurance that he gave me that
she was going to be okay.And I never will forget that dream because
it was really pivotal to me.But then in per Sin one time,
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and I don't remember if I mentionedthis on the last podcast we had,
but I was in Hawaii and Iwas going through kind of a turmoil situation
with my marriage at the time,and I remember I was at the airport
of Maui and I was sitting downoutside and I saw these two people walk
come walking up and they were likea man and a woman but kind of
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equal I and they had on blackT shirts and one said have and one
said faith in white letters, sothat like you looked at him and that
says had faith. And they weresort of walking in unison, and they
didn't speak. They sat down likekind of in front of me, but
on a diagonal, and they wouldjust turn their heads and look back at
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me, like in synchronicity. AsI was sitting there praying and like contemplating
and kind of crying and having amoment, and then the person that was
with me came back and sat downand they got up, turned around and
walked off, And it was justso bizarre to me, and I started
like later thinking about it, andthen I read about how archangel might I
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mean Metatron and who's the other one? Metatron and Zendophan those two are supposedly
twins that were Elijah and Enoch inthe Bible. Interesting, Yeah, and
they're the only two angels that havesupposedly incarnated as humans. Wow. And
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yeah, and so I and oneof them is supposed to have more feminine
characteristics, Okay, And so Ifeel like that was sort of them mix
them showing themselves to me in ain a weird way. It was,
I mean, it was really bizarre. I never had felt anything quite that,
like you know, up close withthe angels before. But yeah,
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so that was really cool. Andthen this past summer, you know that
this past summer, last summer,excuse me. So it's more like pathic
like a download versus a visual representation. There their energy, the feeling that
you have when you are around themor you see them or you're sensing them.
It's a very high vibration, likeyou know, almost like you're in
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a really deep, blistful meditation kindof feeling. Yeah, and then you
just start getting like, well,for me, audience, so I start
getting like like sounds like messages youknow, in my head and just tell
they're like telling you stuff further speakingto you that way. Yeah, it's
really wild, that's step. Butthen this past summer, I'm sorry,
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last summer, I went to Francefor the first time and the people that
we were staying with in the countrysidetook us on a day trip to this
place called matt Saint Michelle on thecoast of France. And I had no
idea what this whether. It's like, it's really cool castle, you'll love
it. So we get we driveout there, we get out of the
car and we start walking and yousee this really gothic looking castle overlooking the
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ocean, like something you see inHarry Potter, right. I mean,
it's just magnificent. And and I'mlike, oh, this is cool.
And so we go start going intothese little shops at the bottom of it
were like little guest uh yeah,little gift shops. And there's all these
little pictures of the Archangel Michael,like keychains and shot glasses and all these
little things that have the Archangel Michaelall of everything. And I'm like,
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why is the Archangel Michael everywhere?And everyone's like, well, this is
his castle that he built. Wow. He told the Bishop of whoever or
whatever it was at that time tobuild this castle to protect that that city.
Wow. And so it's mont SaintMichelle is actually Michael. And I
had no clue, and I waslike wow. I just felt like the
Archangel Michael took me there, likeI had no idea I was going there,
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and I you know, and soI ended up buying this cool keychain
when I was there. It wasthe one of where he's slaying the demon
on his foot. I don't knowif you've seen that, ye you know,
yeah, that's like the common one. My buddy had that tattoo growing
up on his own. Okay,cool, yeah, yeah, so I
had the keychain of that. Well, a few months later I went to
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this big breakup and one day Iwas getting was going into my house and
I dropped the keys and I pickedthem up and the demon part broke off
of the bottom. It was justthe arcade and it was like the morning
of this whole like blow up thatI'd had the night before, and I
felt like it was like the angel'sway of saying, we protected you from
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that. There's something better coming,you know what I mean. It was
just like whoa before I go,yeah, let that go. Yeah that's
Steve. Yeah that was pretty deep. That was a pretty cool moment.
But yeah, no, I likedit. I could talk about the angels
all night, but I love totalk about twin flames too. That's a
fun topic as well. How howwould you advise like someone to find their
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guardian angel or call out to them. That's a good question, just in
prayer or you know, any practicesthat you recommend. I would say the
best way is to definitely ask them, because that's the thing about the angels
is we are given free will inthis earthly realm, and the angels can't
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really intervene for us unless we askthem to. And so if there's something
that you want to connect to theangels, or you want to find out
who your angels are that work withyou, ask them to show themselves to
you and to reveal themselves to you. And meditation is a great way to
open yourself up to that prayer obviously, and they will, they'll start making
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their presence known. You might gosomewhere and happen to see a book about
angels pop out at you that youneed to read, or you know,
something along those lines. So that'swhat I recommend. All the synchronicities,
all the signs and synchronicities absolutely,Oh yeah, I just I just had
a wild sync like yesterday. Imean, they're continuous, so it's hard
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to keep track of the ballody tostart journal of this stuff. But we
should. I I really should.But I had been presented with the Acquiring
Gospel Jesus the Christ like years back, but I never took the time to
read it or start to read it. And I started reading it recently and
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was listening to the audiobook along withit, and like in the preface or
introduction, it mentions cw Ledbetter,who I had never heard of previously,
to a trip to New York Itook with my girlfriend earlier this year and
we stumbled upon this like huge booksale and it was like massive, like
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people fly over the world for thisbook book sale, and we just happened
to be there that weekend. AndI find the this cult spirituality section at
the book sale and they had thisbook called The Monad by cw Ledbetter,
And so I mentioned cw Ledbetter thefirst chapter of the book. And now
I'm starting to see more and more. And I was listening to something about
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the Monad like not long before thateither. So it all like connected together.
But it amazing. I love itwith when it all the dots come
together and it leads you down thepath. That's so cool. Yeah,
it's like beyond words. It is, but you have to be open.
You have to stay open for that. Yeah, that's great. I'm going
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to wote them down. I'm goingto check those out. That sounds cool,
powerful, powerful message and it connecteda lot of dots from me.
You know. It talks about theastro theology components to it all, but
like that's just the beginning, butlike it goes into because it was all
channeled from the Acostaic record. Itwas written in nineteen eleven, and uh
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it's which, First of all,how cool is it that someone from that
time period knew about the Acosto correctright, right, it's crazy And and
uh so it talks about like histravels to the seven different places he went
and those eighteen years that were missingin his life as the story goes,
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and uh, like, so hewent to Tibet, he went to Greece,
you know, he started studied allunder all these wisdom traditions of all
the different places he traveled to tolike complete his understanding to come back and
teach the full universal religion to hisapostles and his followers. So it's like
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he traveled around the world to gainall the spiritual understanding to bring it all
together to teach to his people.That's brilliant, which like it was like
by blowing for me. But yeah, I highly recommend wish we'd had the
internet back then, right, butlike we saved him a lot of time.
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Yeah. It's like one of thosebooks where like you can't like say,
well this was part of the Gospelsor one of the missing books.
But like at the same time,you like read it and you can feel
it, it resonates in the heartand like you just feel it your whole
being. Yeah right, Yeah,that's powerful. Yeah, I wanted to
ask you about that. I didn'tknow if you were familiar or had read
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it, so I no, Ihaven't. I've heard of the moment,
but I've not read the Aquarium Gospel. I HAVEFS online free audio books out
there, so yeah, definitely available. Cool, awesome. But yeah,
anything else on angels that's coming tomind, Well, I think that's it.
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I think we've we've talked about somegood stuff. I just you know,
I love the connection that they cangive you. Like I said,
they are there to help you,really, so you know that's their whole
purpose, is their messenger of Godto help us and give us those signs
we need and nudge in the rightdirection. Totally. Yeah, I agree
with that. So I wanted toread something here about twin flames, so
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it said. The first well knownmention of twin flames or twin souls comes
from Plato twenty five hundred years ago. In the Symposium Plato presents the theory
of the original humans having two setsof every body part and Oregon four arms,
four legs, et cetera. Platomentioned how these humans were then split
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into two forever destined to look fortheir other half. Aristotle said, love
is composed of a single soul inhabitingtwo bodies, Plato said, and when
one of them meets with his otherhalf, the other the actual half of
himself, the pair are lost inazement of love and friendship and intimacy,
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and one will not be out ofthe other site even for a moment.
So yeah, that's the origins.Yes, yeah, it's the whole twin
flame thing is really have you seenor heard about the new Netflix documentary out
there right now. I was justtalking to my friend about that. I
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haven't watched it yet, but yeah, I need to watch it after this
conversation. It's pretty wild, that'swhat I've heard. Probably might run for
the hills after the whole concept,I imagine, I know it kind of
does. That's the thing is like, that whole theory of twin flames has
been so like I feel like,I don't know, overutilized or something in
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our in our society realize. Yeah, monopolized. Absolutely. Yeah, you
have like whole accounts out there basedon the whole concept of twin flames and
everything. Oh, absolutely, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Funny.
What's funny is about that that oneparticular group that's talked about in that documentary.
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I actually called one of their Icalled into them one time to speak
to one of their coaches. Reallyyeah, and she was giving the advice
and because I was curious to seewhat their angle was or where it was
coming from, right, and it'sgiven me the advice to do the mirror
exercises which they talk about and thedocumentary. But then I started asking her,
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I'm like, are you with yourtwin and you know, how's how's
your twin flame journey going? Andthe way she was talking was like she
was a sixteen year old girl whohad a crush on a boy that didn't
know she existed. And I wasjust like what. And then she kept
like referring to the leaders and like, well, they tell us this and
they say that, and I waslike, oh my goodness, this is
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a cult. Like seriously, Iwas like okay, thanks, and I
oh no, don't enjoy that goal. That was like yeah, that was
like a year or two ago andthen all of a sudden, now I
see they're on this documentary on Netflix. I'm like, oh, yeah,
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I was definitely not you know,I was definitely onto something there intuitively.
Yeah. So what's what's it allabout? Is it like a reality show?
Like I don't know anything about it. It's a documentary about this couple
who found each other and say they'retwin flames, and they started this whole
thing called the twin Flame University isonline business where they have coaches that they
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have high that they've trained underneath themand people can call in and they're basically
supposed to help you get to theplace to draw your twin flame into your
life. Right, they go tothat place. So that's the premise.
But and the documentary shows how theyjust talk and it comes. It's power
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trip and not love them by whatthey preach, no, not living,
they brainwashing their their workers. Imean, yeah, yeah, I'll watch
it. Uh yeah, that watch. It's an easy binge watch for sure,
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right. I don't I don't watcha whole lot of shows, like
I I don't know. I reada lot and I you know, watch
a lot of YouTube channels and stuff. But yeah, just to watch Netflix.
I don't know. And that's that'sfunny because I turned it on like
while I was packing to go outof town for Thanksgiving, and I was
like, what is this show?Right? What's fascinating to me about it?
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No, I definitely want to watchit. Well, what's fascinating in
general about the whole twin flame conceptis how well known it is now about
twin flames. No one knew whattwin flames were, you know, and
people look at you like you hadthree heads if you brought it up,
you know, Right, It's like, yeah, it's just it's become so
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mainstream, which is you know,fascinating to me that there's so much you
know, you know, people arejust enthralled with it and obsessed with finding
their twin flame totally. Yeah,And I feel like it's it's in an
obsession. We have to like overlyromanticize, like what we have in a
partner and no matter who it is, whether it's our soul made a karmic
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bond or a twin flame, likeeither of these you know, labels we've
put on a partnership or a relationship. You know, they're all just labels,
like and we can make of themwhat we will. Like you know,
I was watching a bunch of differenttwin Soul or twin flame videos before
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we got on tonight, and justlike hearing what people are saying, like
there's so many different concepts on thereor out there about what it even represents.
And like one guy was saying,which I had never heard this before,
but he was saying, what twinflames mean is it's all the souls
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that were lit at the same timeyou were from the violet flame. That
is the warmest part of the everlastingflame, that burning like in the movie's
Soul, how souls are created inthe origin. And he was saying,
that whole group of souls that islit at the same time, that's your
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Every one of those is your twinflame. Like I've never heard that concept,
but I thought that was far Likethat that's counter opposite to like everything
I've ever heard about whip flame.So that threw me out, love Field.
I mean, I've heard about theviolet flame, but I've never heard
about it lighting up all the twinflames at once. That's funny, right,
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I've never heard that. Yeah,And he was he was saying that
the soul may I think incarnated rightwhen you did, or something like that,
to where it was just you andthat other person or that other soul,
so it was like that unique bond. Right. The general consensus out
there is that there's this over soullike in the other dimension in the higher
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realms, right, that flits intotwo souls that incarnates that the same time,
right, and supposedly that's you andyour twin flame. Elizabeth Clair Prophet
is probably one of the first peopleto really write about twin flames in our
modern times. And then when wouldthat have done? Like what that was
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the early that was in the twenties, okay, I think was when her
materials came out. Her and herhusband, I can't remember his name,
but they were in Mount Shasta andin California, and they had a whole
They kind of have a whole likeNew Age. It kind of started all
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the New Age stuff that is outthere now. I mean it's sort of
stemmed from a lot of their beliefs. And then Dorrien Virtue has a lot
of stuff on twin flames that shepontificated off of what Elizabeth Claire Prophet basically
said. And then from that Imean, now we have all this online
gurus who have gone their way withit, right, so everyone, I
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think kind of has their own journeywith the twin flame thing. I know,
for me, when I first learnedabout it, of course, you
get fascinated with it and you think, oh, who's my twin flame and
is he out there or is sheout there? But what I've learned learned
from going through my life journey isit's really about your spiritual awakening more than
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anything. Yes, it's about therelationships that you have with people that you
feel that connection with, like there'ssomeone's soul made or deep past life connection
that you share with that person,or you know, whatever that kind of
deep connection is. And then youhave whatever you break up or you have
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separation as they like to call it. You know, it's all a part
of getting you to this place inyour spiritual journey to go within, to
force you to go within because you'reso broken, you're in that dark night
of the soul space where you're reallybeing forced to find that connection with your
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higher self, with your divine Andthat's what I really think the true twin
flame connection ultimately ends up being yourrelationship with self love and your connection to
the divine And I mean, yeah, I'm sure there are couples who are
you know, would essentially represent thattwin flame connection. But I also feel
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like for most people, it's moreabout spiritual growth journey than anything. It's
an internal thing and unifying the masculineand feminine within you to even be able
to come into union with someone ofthe opposite sex or same sex, if
that's what you're into, Like whateverfloats your boat. But you know,
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I think if you've experienced it likeyou just described it, like, oh,
this person really changed my life.They really made me face my demons,
They really made me face my shadow. They really made me look into
these triggers that I have or maybechildish behaviors that were still playing it out,
playing its way out into adulthood.You know, all these all these
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nagging things about our stagnancy and ourself growth journey. You know, those
people kind of bring it out ofus, you know. And I think
you're so right about that. AndI think even if you don't end up
with that person, they served acrucial role in your journey. And you
know, you could separate for youknow, five, ten, fifteen years
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and come back together and even justbe great friends. You know, you
never know what your journey's going toplay out as, and I don't know
if there is a wrong path.I think every every step you take in
life, you're going to learn yourlessons. You're going to be presented with
challenges. And it's all about howyou alchemize that into your life and how
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you transform, you know, thenegative into a positive, and how it
can impact your life versus set youback even further. Like everything can be
a comeback if you choose to chooseit to be, versus letting it be
a setback to where you like you'restabilized. You can't you can't go forward
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after that. Like, ultimately thatis your choice. And like you said,
I think it goes back to youat the end of the day,
and it comes back to where areyou at within and how much are you
projecting onto someone else in an intimateconnection relationship to where you're not confronting your
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own misdeeds or yourself that are unhealed. Yeah, it all plays out,
It all comes as it put.That's right. It does. Is all
in divine timing too, totally.Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, do
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you think there's like a rhyme orreason to it, or it's different for
everyone obviously, but like, youknow, what's funny, is it?
My My theories on twin flames areconstantly changing, right Like I feel like
when I was younger, Yeah,I used to believe in the fairy tale
concept of that other half of usis out there somewhere and you know,
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we're just waiting to draw them inand have this fabulous life together. But
then, like I said, theolder I got on, the more experiences
I had, and the more connectionsI made with people like I had,
I've had a lot of people thatI would say I considered to be soulmates,
you know. And I feel likethere's a lot of there's a lot
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of people that I feel like definitelyhave been around with a time or two.
And then there's been those that I'vefelt really like, deeply connected to
on that twin flame kind of level. But I feel like the teachings are
what have or the moments that I'velearned from and the twin flame experiences have
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made And a second guess that it'sso cut and dry, I don't think
it is cut and dry. Ireally think it's a personal journey for each
of us. And I, likeyou're saying, I think that's more about
your growth, your personal growth.Like for me, that particular breakup I
was referencing with the archangel Michael demonthing that led me into a real deep
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spiritual growth journey and I started meditatinga lot. From that, I really
got to this place of understanding ofduality versus non duality. You know,
I became very familiar with the conceptof somebody and you know, I just
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it kind of opened me up becauseof the experience I'd had from that relationship.
And I think back now, likehad I not had a choice,
yeah, yeah, I probably wouldn'thave been able to have those experiences,
you know, at least maybe notat the right time, who knows.
But they taught me to a lotabout my own childhood traumas and the triggers
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and the things that you know oftenand I've been able to heal a lot
of that and and I'm grateful forthat, you know. And but I
have no desire to be in arelationship with that person again. I would
I am friends with that person,and I wouldn't you know, have understand
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the wall. But I don't thinkthat I am looking for that twin flame
anymore either, Like I feel likeI've gotten to this place to where I'm
so comfortable being with myself, yes, and being happy, you know,
and really loving myself, and justto that place to where like I sure,
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if someone comes in and it's agood fit, that's great, but
I'm not like out there looking yeahyeah, chasing, yeah, looking for
someone to complete you. Absolutely.Yeah. It's it's like coming from a
place of appreciation or like openness,but also like discernment versus complete desperation,
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and I'll take whatever comes and youknow, I'll ignore any red flags or
you know, seven Yeah. There'sa clip of rom DAWs speaking. It's
one of my favorites where he talksabout he talks about the experience of falling
in love with someone right, andhow the experience of falling in love is
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like saying, you are the personwho activates the part in me it makes
me feel in love. It's notI'm in love with you, it's that
you are activating what's already within meto feel yes, and that is so
beautiful because it and but we becomeaddicted to the person thinking that that's who's
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giving us the feeling, but they'rejust showing us what's already in us exactly.
And so when you get to theplace to where you understand that that
that it's not about them, it'sabout us and what's in us already,
and how we can tap into thatanytime we want, you know, when
we come in that higher relationship,that relationship with our higher self, which
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now I feel like is my twinflame. I feel like my twin is
my higher self, you know.Yeah. I heard Matteas to Stephano say
that on Aubrey Marcus podcast recently.So interesting, Yeah, and I agree
with that concept. I think wedo have to unify the polarities within us.
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And you know, if we continueto ignore or deflect from our shadow
side and like you know, completelyact like it doesn't even exist and refuse
to do the work, like,we're going to continue to experience the same
dynamics, whether we stay in thesame toxic relationship, continue to attract more
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toksic relationships where it's a different womanbut same dynamic and all this. You
know, that's just how it goes. And I think until you really take
a hard look in the mirror andyou know, sit with yourself and aren't
looking for someone to complete you orjust take away your boredom. You know,
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that's part of the journey is likenot getting bored and like finding things
to fill in those gaps that youknow are truly productive and you're staying not
productive in the sense of like youalways have to be working or doing something,
but just being with whatever it isin gradtitude and fulfillment and just contentment,
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appreciation for all that you have,all that is wherever you're at,
and just being present. Yeah,that's exactly I was about to say.
And like you said earlier, beingin that flow, yes, yeah,
and it's it's it's about enjoying beingwith yourself, you know. Yeah,
under the cave, going to thekay. Yeah, that come out once
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in a while is such the keyfor that. For me, it was
at least it's like really helped meto open up to that space of being
fully pressent you know me too.Breath work is a big one, playing
mass and played their role on myjourney for sure, but yeah, just
keeping that alive. It also talkedabout in the Aquarium Gospel, which I
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mentioned earlier, like how John thebat this came before Jesus, uh,
you know, in the story andhow he was kind of laying the foundation
of what was to come with Jesus. And I was talking about how John
with John baptized with was it fire? Fire? Job baptized with fire,
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right right? And then Jesus withwater? Was that help went I think,
so, I think you're right onthat. Don't quote me, but
I was going to say that hewas baptizing every week versus uh, you
know, a one time thing andyou're done. And it reminded me of
you know, I go to sweatLodge here locally every week and it's like
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you're you're purifying every week you go. But that's that's just that was a
sink in my life that I tookfrom it. But like you know,
every day you wake up just lettingthat gratitude wash over you of like being
reborn. Every day you wake uplike I am a new me, I
am my slate is white clean,like staying focused on what's right in front
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of you in the present moment andjust blowing with it. That reminds me
of the resurrection power that we havewithin us that Jesus said, you know,
we have that resurrection power within ustotally. That's talking about every morning
you wake up, you've resurrected againinto a new into a new frequency that
you have, that that potential tobe. You know, Yeah, that's
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beautiful. I like that totally,and you know, it just totally hits
of you know, like every everyday we wake up and it's like we
might have a bad day of everyonce in a while, but that doesn't
mean we have to have a badweek or a bad month. You know.
It's like just riding those waves ofthe ups and downs and like just
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learning to weather the storm better withtime through the wisdom gained through all your
life experience. Is all your roughestmoments you've been through, like show you
how strong you are. They don'tshow you like you've just been through more
shit. You know. It's likeit's all about perception and how you view
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things, because that's that's been amajor shift in my life this year has
been just how perception can get thebest of you at times, and like
if if you only see the negativeside, or you know, you think
you see everything going on in theworld, you know, and just solely
focus on the horror and like thefear and these these lower level states of
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being that really take you over anddrag you down into that rut where it's
harder to get out of, likethe more you're plugging into it, and
until you unplugged from that, justto like refocus and ultimately unplugged from everything
so you can plug back into sourcewhat you should truly be plugged into,
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whether it's for you know, anextended period or not, you know,
just any time you take the timeto do that, coming out of you
know, those times where you gotungrounded or you've lost your footing and you
know, just getting back on thepath. I like to think of it
as the analogy, and I thinkit's Aarondoiti that talks about this and his
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YouTube clips about the like we areinnately analogous to a bob or floating on
the top of the water, Likethat's the represents like being in the flow
of the divine right, allowing thedivine to work through us. We're in
the flow. There's no resistance.When you let all that negative stuff get
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you down, it's the bobber startsto sink, and all that negativity is
just it's all it is is resistanceto the flow. And so what you're
talking about, how you wake upand you wake up with gratitude or for
me, it's like I go intomeditation. It's a way of letting all
that negative energy, that resistance,just just letting it go and dissipating it
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so you're able to come back upto your natural state again of being in
that flow, being that botber atthe top of the water. That's it's
allowed to experience, you know,the divine working through you. And you
know that's that's beautiful when you canhave that awareness and you can choose that's
the thing. We can choose tobe in that flow in any moment,
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Yes, all we have. It'sjust I like to sometimes just like say
in my head, okay, Ilet it go. I let it go,
and I picture all stuff just fallingoff of me, you know,
like you're just shedding this layer,this heavy layer that's all over you,
and then you just float back upto the top. You know. We
can make that choice to be ina different vibration at any moment. Really,
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oh yeah, and you can totallyfeel it, like when you're getting
into a lower vibration and you know, people hear here like all good vibes
and like these terms like they're trendyor new age or like you know,
clickbait, but like they're legitimate,Like these are like the fabric of all
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of nature, all of how theuniverse operates. Like what did Tesla say?
Like if you want to understand thesecrets of the universe, think of
uh frequency vibration and uh forget thelast one frequency vibration, and what is
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the other one? Uh harmonics.Yeah, throw in the gaps, people
google it. It's late tonight,hang with us. But uh yeah,
just you know, it is allfrequency frequency, that's what it was.
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It's all vibration exactly. It isenergy, frequency of vibration. That's it.
Energy. Yeah, energy, youknow. But yeah, I mean
and and once you can realize thatand realize when you're slipping and when you're
falling down, like know that yougot to you got to feed yourself some
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stuff to get you back up.You know, you've got to get those
practices in, whether it be meditation, breath work, do a yoga session.
Yeah, take a walk outside,listen to some good music. Yeah,
yeah, a good mood. WatchI like to watch comedy, you
know, yeah, laugh laugh,Yeah, totally. It's beautiful. I
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like the COPTEP two of You know, there's a lot out there right now
about timeline jumping, you know,quantum quant quantum leap, and I think
that's fascinating to I like to thinkabout how you can just choose to be
in a different vibration and choose tobe in a different timeline basically by changing
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your vibration, by changing your frequency. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
the same. It's like that wholeconcept of you know, you change yourself
and watch the world around you change, Watch the people around you change,
watch your friends circle change, watchyour outer circle change. Like it's all
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a ripple in the pond, youknow, like every action has a reaction,
like this is this is all apart of it, you know,
and we all have to do ourpart. Like we can't just sit back
and watch everyone else doing the workand be like I want what they got
and like expect to get a shortcutto get there, Like, no,
you gotta do the work. Sorealize, like a Neville Goddard's theory about
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everyone is just us pushed out,and how when you do change your vibration
and your thoughts about something or someone, you realize that they begin to project
back to you what you're putting outthere, like they changed because because you're
changing, like you're saying, becausethey're really just reacting to you in the
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first place, They're they're literally youpushed out. And when I really grasped
that concept, that was mind blowingto me. Oh yeah, I have
that power to manifest your world aroundyou. You really do, and we
do it anyway. We just startedcaught aware that that's what we're doing.
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You know? Is that from conversationswith God? No, that's Neil Donald
Walsh Neville got or mixed up.Yeah why, I don't know what book
it is, but I know that'shis theory of that everyone is us pushed
out. Wow. I like thatthat way of putting it. Yeah.
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I definitely have felt that deep deepwithin my soul. I've experienced it with
plant medicine, like the hopiness,you know, the connection to all things.
I definitely felt that my soul.I know it to be true,
and you know, just diving down, you know, all these different books
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I've been coming across and different uhphilosophies and theories out there, different lines
of thinking. It's it's really challengedme and allowed me to adapt like a
framework of words to put around whatI've experienced in some of these spiritual,
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uh you know, transcendent experiences I'vehad through plant medicine to allow me to
talk to other people about it ina way that makes sense to where I
just don't sound like a crazy person, like I actually have words to like
explain what I'm trying to say,you know, because I feel like time
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articulating what I want to say sometimes, right. But also, don't you
feel like those experiences have allowed youto go back and I know you grew
up in the Christian faith, right, have allowed to go back and interpret
things from a different standpoint That makesso much more sense to you now,
so much more sense, so muchmore sense. And I love reading like
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That's one of the reasons why Ilike to listen to Eckhart Tolly because he
does a good job deal of makingthat connection with Christianity and spirituality and how
they and deep pap Chopra does thattoo, that I think is so fascinating
to me because it really puts youmore into the mind of Christ or the
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consciousness of Christ versus just the church'sstoic belief systems or the dogma behind it,
you know, and it gives meaningto what you have been taught,
you know, and your moral compassthat you came in with. It's we
I feel like we all come inwith a particular moral compass that guides us
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in the way that we're supposed togrow as a soul and that we're supposed
to learn. But what's fascinating iswhen you have those experiences for yourself,
like you just said that, you'vehad experiences deep down to your soul where
you know and believe that we areall one. And when you have those
experiences, it just really fortifies whatyou've already kind of been taught to believe,
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but it gives it this new justificationthat you never would have been able
to have before, you know.I spoke about this at my father's funeral.
Actually, I talked about how hewas a very spiritual man and he
had his moment where he was likeeighteen or teenager and he was questioning his
whole, you know, belief inGod. He'd been taught, you know,
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growing up in the church that youmust be you must believe this,
you must believe that. But he'dhad an experience for himself to know that
God was real, right, Andso when he he said, he went
to this top of this mountain andhe sat down and he just started praying,
God, I want you to showme this, you know. And
so he had that experience for himself. And I think I talked about this
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now I'm realizing in the first podcastI did with you. But when the
Bible group and it showed him thepassage that taught him, you know that
that was God showing him, look, I'm real. And he had that
experience for himself. And that's thewhole thing is that when you experience something,
you're going to believe it because you'vehad it. A person just going
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through your life following some sort ofstrict rules or dogma or teachings or whatever
it is, you know, you'regoing to still be unfulfilled and you're not
going to have the kind of Imean, that's what That's what Jesus did.
He rebelled against his forefathers and hesaid and they didn't believe it.
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That's why they crucified him. Theysaid, you know, you're not the
Christ you proclaimed to be the sonof God. You're not the son of
God like we're all the sons ofdaughters of God, like Jesus was just
the first to say it, andyou know in that story and like I
think it's uh it it teaches youa lot about your own life story if
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you're able to put yourself in Jesus'sshoes, like in the story of Jesus,
like in just how he wasn't afraidto go outside of what the church
said was right or wrong, orhow we're going to do things traditionally,
you know, like he was.He was showing them that, you know,
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they didn't have everything right like theythought, and they were challengeding them
to think outside of the box,to think deeper than they had up to
that point before Jesus had even came. And it's like, I think it
just goes to show like what youwere talking about, like if you haven't
experienced what you know, the wholething is about, like why we go
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to church to have the experience,to have a spiritual connection, Like if
you truly haven't experienced that spiritual connection, it starts to just feel like you're
going through the motion. So you'relike, why am I even here other
than obligation or to give people theperception that I'm doing the right thing or
trying to appease others rather than actuallyfeeling like this is connecting me to God,
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you know, or it based outof fear that you're going to go
to hell and bir literally that too. Yeah, I forget about that one.
Thankfully, it came a long waysthe fact that I'm able to forget
about hell for a little bit.Oh, that's been a great talk.
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Anything else you wanted to leave theaudience with tonight, Thank you so much
for coming back on. Well,thank you so much for having me.
I enjoyed these platforms where you're ableto really express yourself and I feel like
I feel like you're definitely a kindredsoul and we always have good conversations.
I guess I just want to leavepeople with this idea that you know,
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it doesn't matter what path you godown, as long as you're authentic in
the path you travel, and whenyou in the path that you travel,
others can sense that and it encouragesthem to be authentic as well. And
I's all I would love to say. It's just be you and enjoy that.
And I'm so sir. Well,thank you all for listening out there.
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I send you all peace and love. I hope you all have a
beautiful US the week. Thank youfor listening. Happy all
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you again. Most definitely sisters,so happy to have you back. I
really enjoyed our conversation last time.And yeah, it's awesome to check in
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with you again and see what's thelatest. That's right right on. Yeah,
So yeah, we're going to talkabout some angels today and your new
course you've got cooked up for us. So when did this all begin?
I know we kind of touched onthis last time. For those out there
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listening, she has been on before, so you can go back and check
that. I'll put the episode inthe show notes. But for the listeners
who aren't familiar, what's kind ofyour backstory with angels and did it start
for a young age for you,or was it something that kind of called
out to you as you got older, or some experiences you had had where
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you were just trying to make senseof it and kind of have a backstory
or words to grab onto to justdescribe where you were experiencing. Sure.
Yeah, So I mentioned in theother podcast that I grew up with the
Christian background and angels were definitely talkedabout in our family, you know.
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I would hear aunts and different relativestalk about stories of seeing guardian angels or
having experiences with angels. And thenI had an experience, which I think
I did talk about in the lastpodcast of kind of a near death experience
with an ATV accident, and Ifelt as there as if there was another
being, you know, hovering withme during that event. And so I'd
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always sort of had this belief inthe angelic realm. And then I was
handed a book when I was youngerby my piano teacher about angels that was
written by Billy Graham. Oh andyeah, I don't know, most people
don't know that he wrote a bookabout angels, but he did, and
it went into view, I wentinto real depth about the different forms of
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angels, from the seraphims to thecherubims to the arch angels. I mean,
it was pretty fascinating, and itwas based on his research from the
Bible, and so you know,that kind of opened up my fascination with
it. And then later in mytwenties, I discovered Dorien Virtue and she
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had a lot of material on angels, the archangels especially and angel numbers,
and so that was about fifteen twentyyears ago. I started taking her courses
on angel numbers and what that meantand how to open yourself up to receiving
messages from the angels through the angelnumbers. And of course I've had my
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own personal experiences with angels as well. So it's just been kind of a
love affair that I've had from anearly age, I would say, And
as far as like you know,we were talking pre recording about you know,
synchronicities and seeing numbers on license platesor your total at the cast register
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or at the gas pump, whateverit is. And it's like these repeating
numbers constantly coming up for you,whether it's days strands together, you know,
to create these patterns you start tonotice and pick up on and then
like what are all these numbers mean? And when did you start to draw
connections to them? You know,people refer to them as angel numbers or
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numbers of the angelic. How didyou start to draw those lines within your
own right? Well, like Isaid, when I started studying about angel
numbers through dorrine as I'm learning thedifferent meanings. Of course, there's different
meanings to numbers in traditional numerology andthe angel numbers, and so wish I
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had kind of dappled a little bitof numerology prior to learning about the angel
numbers from Doreen. But when Istarted learning about the angel numbers, I
feel like that was when the repetitivenumbers started showing themselves to me, or
I started noticing them, like you'retalking about on receipts and license plates,
in the clock and all of that. I didn't really put too much stock
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into the meaning. In the beginning, it was just oh, look there
it is again. Kind of athing, you know. I did notice
that I tended to see them moreduring times of transition in my life,
when I was being faced with choicesand decisions and constantly you know, second
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guessing am I doing the right thing? I felt like that was the universe,
the angels, your guide's way ofshowing you, you know, yeah,
you are on the right path orkeep going, you know, kind
of like a little daily reminder thatyou are connected to something in the spiritual
realm. Totally. Yeah, Ilike direction or like signposts exactly. I
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mean they always seem to comment likethe right times. I mean divine timing,
you know, perfect divine timing alwaysexactly. Yes, being in that
closed state picking up on them andhaving the awareness to even see they're there.
And animals too. Animal totems havebeen a lot for me lately of
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just kind of honing into that andstarting to understand what they mean on a
deeper level and the ones that callit to me, and yeah, I'm
fascinated by all of it. Right, Animals. I like to get messages,
or I do get messages from theanimals. I feel like in the
dream realm a lot like they'll showthemselves through the dream realm. Yeah.
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Yeah. I do landscaping outside,so I'm constantly on nature seeing different birds
and yeah, see a lot offoxes and raccoons in the early mornings.
Oh that's cool. Yeah. Myfather actually passed way last year, and
I have noticed that since his passinghe tends to use hawks as one of
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the ways of getting my opinion.Yeah, I love that, so cool
cross following me around and I say, it's it's an appropriate spirit animal for
me because we love we love totalk being behind my phone. Crows are
so smart. They're like one ofthe smartest birds ever, right right.
Yeah, I've watched some documentaries onthem. Pretty fascinating birds. But yeah,
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that's cool. Yeah. So uhAs far as for the listeners out
there listening, like what's what's kindof a one on one on your course
material and kind of where you takeyour students down on this path? Sure,
yeah, Like I know there's alot of like things out there that
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can interpret angel numbers for you tolike say your number is one on one
one or eleven eleven, and yougo on Google and you put in an
angel number eleven eleven, and youhave a million different hits that come up
that tell you what that means.Right, So my course is more about
teaching you how to interpret them foryourself so that when you see the number,
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you're more in tune with your intuitionand your basic under I give you
what what I like to call apeg word to associate with each number one
through nine or zero through nine,excuse me, so that you can put
the numbers together. So like say, zero to me means source or God,
and one is manifestation and two isfaith. So if you were to
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see the number zero, one,two on a regular basis, you could
kind of come up with some sortof meaning that makes sense to you based
on the peg words source, manifestation, and faith. You know, like
like, oh, God's trying totell me to keep my faith going because
I'm in the manifestation zone. That'sjust an example. So I break down
each of those numbers for you,and I give you ways to associate those
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pegwords with that number, kind oflike a like a pneumonic device if you
will, to help you remember that, because I feel like it is such
a personal thing it's not like aone size fits all, you know,
meaning behind the numbers. Yeah,So have you delven down into gametria or
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numerology, uh, like branched offof that at all? Or are you
not really into that sort of Notreally, I've just kind of keeping it
to the basic Agel number definitions thatI'm familiar with. But I do know
a little bit about numerology and youknow how you break it down numbers and
all that. Yeah, exactly,yeah, yeah, And what was the
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first thing you said? Though Iwasn't familiar with that term gemetria. I
believe it stems from like the Jewishcabbala and their whole or association of the
Jewish alphabet. Each word or eacheach letter of the alphabet had a coinciding
number. So uh, it's basicallythe belief that like phrases or words that
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have a numerical value, those samenumerical values of other words and phrases have
some interleague meaning. And there's likejametria calculators online where you can put in
your name or you know, whoam I going to marry or like all
these wild questions. Yeah, likelike it's coded yeah literally, yeah,
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so yeah, it's a rabbit hole. I've doven down a few times,
but yeah, yeah, I've justnot heard that that term jamitria. That's
cool, it's new to me.Yeah. I think I think of it
like the mixture of geometry and thematrix, like the geometrical fabric of it
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all that holds it all together.Right sure, yeah, but yeah,
math is just crazy if you thinkabout it. Right. Oh yeah,
just a bunch of numbers. There'sa bunch of numbers that kind of controls
a lot of stuff literally everything.Yeah, I know it's interesting, but
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yeah, so yeah, that's that'sbeen like my fascination. So I So
I developed the course last year andgot it out there and anybody that wants
to take it, it's available throughmy website. So awesome. Yeah,
I put the link to that inthe description. But yeah, I know
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we wanted to talk a bit abouttwin flames and soulmates. Uh do we
have more on angels yet to cover? You think my experiences with angels are
kind of cool. Like I've hadsome experiences where, well, when I
started studying the archangels, I feellike that they began to reveal themselves to
me. My mother had a reallyscare for her health, and we thought
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she wasn't going to make it fora while. She was in the hospital
for like three months straight. Andduring that time, I just remember having
this really profound dream with a certainangel and it turned out being arch angels
semmed often and he told he basicallydidn't talk in the dream because angels,
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I've learned, usually are more telepathicwith their communication because they're just vibrating.
It's such a high frequency they don'tneed to talk, right, And so
in the dream there was just thiskind of reassurance that he gave me that
she was going to be okay.And I never will forget that dream because
it was really pivotal to me.But then in per Sin one time,
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and I don't remember if I mentionedthis on the last podcast we had,
but I was in Hawaii and Iwas going through kind of a turmoil situation
with my marriage at the time,and I remember I was at the airport
of Maui and I was sitting downoutside and I saw these two people walk
come walking up and they were likea man and a woman but kind of
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equal I and they had on blackT shirts and one said have and one
said faith in white letters, sothat like you looked at him and that
says had faith. And they weresort of walking in unison, and they
didn't speak. They sat down likekind of in front of me, but
on a diagonal, and they wouldjust turn their heads and look back at
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me, like in synchronicity. AsI was sitting there praying and like contemplating
and kind of crying and having amoment, and then the person that was
with me came back and sat downand they got up, turned around and
walked off, And it was justso bizarre to me, and I started
like later thinking about it, andthen I read about how archangel might I
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mean Metatron and who's the other one? Metatron and Zendophan those two are supposedly
twins that were Elijah and Enoch inthe Bible. Interesting, Yeah, and
they're the only two angels that havesupposedly incarnated as humans. Wow. And
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yeah, and so I and oneof them is supposed to have more feminine
characteristics, Okay, And so Ifeel like that was sort of them mix
them showing themselves to me in ain a weird way. It was,
I mean, it was really bizarre. I never had felt anything quite that,
like you know, up close withthe angels before. But yeah,
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so that was really cool. Andthen this past summer, you know that
this past summer, last summer,excuse me. So it's more like pathic
like a download versus a visual representation. There their energy, the feeling that
you have when you are around themor you see them or you're sensing them.
It's a very high vibration, likeyou know, almost like you're in
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a really deep, blistful meditation kindof feeling. Yeah, and then you
just start getting like, well,for me, audience, so I start
getting like like sounds like messages youknow, in my head and just tell
they're like telling you stuff further speakingto you that way. Yeah, it's
really wild, that's step. Butthen this past summer, I'm sorry,
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last summer, I went to Francefor the first time and the people that
we were staying with in the countrysidetook us on a day trip to this
place called matt Saint Michelle on thecoast of France. And I had no
idea what this whether. It's like, it's really cool castle, you'll love
it. So we get we driveout there, we get out of the
car and we start walking and yousee this really gothic looking castle overlooking the
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ocean, like something you see inHarry Potter, right. I mean,
it's just magnificent. And and I'mlike, oh, this is cool.
And so we go start going intothese little shops at the bottom of it
were like little guest uh yeah,little gift shops. And there's all these
little pictures of the Archangel Michael,like keychains and shot glasses and all these
little things that have the Archangel Michaelall of everything. And I'm like,
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why is the Archangel Michael everywhere?And everyone's like, well, this is
his castle that he built. Wow. He told the Bishop of whoever or
whatever it was at that time tobuild this castle to protect that that city.
Wow. And so it's mont SaintMichelle is actually Michael. And I
had no clue, and I waslike wow. I just felt like the
Archangel Michael took me there, likeI had no idea I was going there,
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and I you know, and soI ended up buying this cool keychain
when I was there. It wasthe one of where he's slaying the demon
on his foot. I don't knowif you've seen that, ye you know,
yeah, that's like the common one. My buddy had that tattoo growing
up on his own. Okay,cool, yeah, yeah, so I
had the keychain of that. Well, a few months later I went to
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this big breakup and one day Iwas getting was going into my house and
I dropped the keys and I pickedthem up and the demon part broke off
of the bottom. It was justthe arcade and it was like the morning
of this whole like blow up thatI'd had the night before, and I
felt like it was like the angel'sway of saying, we protected you from
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that. There's something better coming,you know what I mean. It was
just like whoa before I go,yeah, let that go. Yeah that's
Steve. Yeah that was pretty deep. That was a pretty cool moment.
But yeah, no, I likedit. I could talk about the angels
all night, but I love totalk about twin flames too. That's a
fun topic as well. How howwould you advise like someone to find their
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guardian angel or call out to them. That's a good question, just in
prayer or you know, any practicesthat you recommend. I would say the
best way is to definitely ask them, because that's the thing about the angels
is we are given free will inthis earthly realm, and the angels can't
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really intervene for us unless we askthem to. And so if there's something
that you want to connect to theangels, or you want to find out
who your angels are that work withyou, ask them to show themselves to
you and to reveal themselves to you. And meditation is a great way to
open yourself up to that prayer obviously, and they will, they'll start making
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their presence known. You might gosomewhere and happen to see a book about
angels pop out at you that youneed to read, or you know,
something along those lines. So that'swhat I recommend. All the synchronicities,
all the signs and synchronicities absolutely,Oh yeah, I just I just had
a wild sync like yesterday. Imean, they're continuous, so it's hard
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to keep track of the ballody tostart journal of this stuff. But we
should. I I really should.But I had been presented with the Acquiring
Gospel Jesus the Christ like years back, but I never took the time to
read it or start to read it. And I started reading it recently and
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was listening to the audiobook along withit, and like in the preface or
introduction, it mentions cw Ledbetter,who I had never heard of previously,
to a trip to New York Itook with my girlfriend earlier this year and
we stumbled upon this like huge booksale and it was like massive, like
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people fly over the world for thisbook book sale, and we just happened
to be there that weekend. AndI find the this cult spirituality section at
the book sale and they had thisbook called The Monad by cw Ledbetter,
And so I mentioned cw Ledbetter thefirst chapter of the book. And now
I'm starting to see more and more. And I was listening to something about
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the Monad like not long before thateither. So it all like connected together.
But it amazing. I love itwith when it all the dots come
together and it leads you down thepath. That's so cool. Yeah,
it's like beyond words. It is, but you have to be open.
You have to stay open for that. Yeah, that's great. I'm going
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to wote them down. I'm goingto check those out. That sounds cool,
powerful, powerful message and it connecteda lot of dots from me.
You know. It talks about theastro theology components to it all, but
like that's just the beginning, butlike it goes into because it was all
channeled from the Acostaic record. Itwas written in nineteen eleven, and uh
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it's which, First of all,how cool is it that someone from that
time period knew about the Acosto correctright, right, it's crazy And and
uh so it talks about like histravels to the seven different places he went
and those eighteen years that were missingin his life as the story goes,
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and uh, like, so hewent to Tibet, he went to Greece,
you know, he started studied allunder all these wisdom traditions of all
the different places he traveled to tolike complete his understanding to come back and
teach the full universal religion to hisapostles and his followers. So it's like
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he traveled around the world to gainall the spiritual understanding to bring it all
together to teach to his people.That's brilliant, which like it was like
by blowing for me. But yeah, I highly recommend wish we'd had the
internet back then, right, butlike we saved him a lot of time.
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Yeah. It's like one of thosebooks where like you can't like say,
well this was part of the Gospelsor one of the missing books.
But like at the same time,you like read it and you can feel
it, it resonates in the heartand like you just feel it your whole
being. Yeah right, Yeah,that's powerful. Yeah, I wanted to
ask you about that. I didn'tknow if you were familiar or had read
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it, so I no, Ihaven't. I've heard of the moment,
but I've not read the Aquarium Gospel. I HAVEFS online free audio books out
there, so yeah, definitely available. Cool, awesome. But yeah,
anything else on angels that's coming tomind, Well, I think that's it.
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I think we've we've talked about somegood stuff. I just you know,
I love the connection that they cangive you. Like I said,
they are there to help you,really, so you know that's their whole
purpose, is their messenger of Godto help us and give us those signs
we need and nudge in the rightdirection. Totally. Yeah, I agree
with that. So I wanted toread something here about twin flames, so
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it said. The first well knownmention of twin flames or twin souls comes
from Plato twenty five hundred years ago. In the Symposium Plato presents the theory
of the original humans having two setsof every body part and Oregon four arms,
four legs, et cetera. Platomentioned how these humans were then split
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into two forever destined to look fortheir other half. Aristotle said, love
is composed of a single soul inhabitingtwo bodies, Plato said, and when
one of them meets with his otherhalf, the other the actual half of
himself, the pair are lost inazement of love and friendship and intimacy,
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and one will not be out ofthe other site even for a moment.
So yeah, that's the origins.Yes, yeah, it's the whole twin
flame thing is really have you seenor heard about the new Netflix documentary out
there right now. I was justtalking to my friend about that. I
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haven't watched it yet, but yeah, I need to watch it after this
conversation. It's pretty wild, that'swhat I've heard. Probably might run for
the hills after the whole concept,I imagine, I know it kind of
does. That's the thing is like, that whole theory of twin flames has
been so like I feel like,I don't know, overutilized or something in
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our in our society realize. Yeah, monopolized. Absolutely. Yeah, you
have like whole accounts out there basedon the whole concept of twin flames and
everything. Oh, absolutely, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Funny.
What's funny is about that that oneparticular group that's talked about in that documentary.
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I actually called one of their Icalled into them one time to speak
to one of their coaches. Reallyyeah, and she was giving the advice
and because I was curious to seewhat their angle was or where it was
coming from, right, and it'sgiven me the advice to do the mirror
exercises which they talk about and thedocumentary. But then I started asking her,
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I'm like, are you with yourtwin and you know, how's how's
your twin flame journey going? Andthe way she was talking was like she
was a sixteen year old girl whohad a crush on a boy that didn't
know she existed. And I wasjust like what. And then she kept
like referring to the leaders and like, well, they tell us this and
they say that, and I waslike, oh my goodness, this is
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a cult. Like seriously, Iwas like okay, thanks, and I
oh no, don't enjoy that goal. That was like yeah, that was
like a year or two ago andthen all of a sudden, now I
see they're on this documentary on Netflix. I'm like, oh, yeah,
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I was definitely not you know,I was definitely onto something there intuitively.
Yeah. So what's what's it allabout? Is it like a reality show?
Like I don't know anything about it. It's a documentary about this couple
who found each other and say they'retwin flames, and they started this whole
thing called the twin Flame University isonline business where they have coaches that they
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have high that they've trained underneath themand people can call in and they're basically
supposed to help you get to theplace to draw your twin flame into your
life. Right, they go tothat place. So that's the premise.
But and the documentary shows how theyjust talk and it comes. It's power
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trip and not love them by whatthey preach, no, not living,
they brainwashing their their workers. Imean, yeah, yeah, I'll watch
it. Uh yeah, that watch. It's an easy binge watch for sure,
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right. I don't I don't watcha whole lot of shows, like
I I don't know. I reada lot and I you know, watch
a lot of YouTube channels and stuff. But yeah, just to watch Netflix.
I don't know. And that's that'sfunny because I turned it on like
while I was packing to go outof town for Thanksgiving, and I was
like, what is this show?Right? What's fascinating to me about it?
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No, I definitely want to watchit. Well, what's fascinating in
general about the whole twin flame conceptis how well known it is now about
twin flames. No one knew whattwin flames were, you know, and
people look at you like you hadthree heads if you brought it up,
you know, Right, It's like, yeah, it's just it's become so
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mainstream, which is you know,fascinating to me that there's so much you
know, you know, people arejust enthralled with it and obsessed with finding
their twin flame totally. Yeah,And I feel like it's it's in an
obsession. We have to like overlyromanticize, like what we have in a
partner and no matter who it is, whether it's our soul made a karmic
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bond or a twin flame, likeeither of these you know, labels we've
put on a partnership or a relationship. You know, they're all just labels,
like and we can make of themwhat we will. Like you know,
I was watching a bunch of differenttwin Soul or twin flame videos before
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we got on tonight, and justlike hearing what people are saying, like
there's so many different concepts on thereor out there about what it even represents.
And like one guy was saying,which I had never heard this before,
but he was saying, what twinflames mean is it's all the souls
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that were lit at the same timeyou were from the violet flame. That
is the warmest part of the everlastingflame, that burning like in the movie's
Soul, how souls are created inthe origin. And he was saying,
that whole group of souls that islit at the same time, that's your
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Every one of those is your twinflame. Like I've never heard that concept,
but I thought that was far Likethat that's counter opposite to like everything
I've ever heard about whip flame.So that threw me out, love Field.
I mean, I've heard about theviolet flame, but I've never heard
about it lighting up all the twinflames at once. That's funny, right,
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I've never heard that. Yeah,And he was he was saying that
the soul may I think incarnated rightwhen you did, or something like that,
to where it was just you andthat other person or that other soul,
so it was like that unique bond. Right. The general consensus out
there is that there's this over soullike in the other dimension in the higher
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realms, right, that flits intotwo souls that incarnates that the same time,
right, and supposedly that's you andyour twin flame. Elizabeth Clair Prophet
is probably one of the first peopleto really write about twin flames in our
modern times. And then when wouldthat have done? Like what that was
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the early that was in the twenties, okay, I think was when her
materials came out. Her and herhusband, I can't remember his name,
but they were in Mount Shasta andin California, and they had a whole
They kind of have a whole likeNew Age. It kind of started all
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the New Age stuff that is outthere now. I mean it's sort of
stemmed from a lot of their beliefs. And then Dorrien Virtue has a lot
of stuff on twin flames that shepontificated off of what Elizabeth Claire Prophet basically
said. And then from that Imean, now we have all this online
gurus who have gone their way withit, right, so everyone, I
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think kind of has their own journeywith the twin flame thing. I know,
for me, when I first learnedabout it, of course, you
get fascinated with it and you think, oh, who's my twin flame and
is he out there or is sheout there? But what I've learned learned
from going through my life journey isit's really about your spiritual awakening more than
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anything. Yes, it's about therelationships that you have with people that you
feel that connection with, like there'ssomeone's soul made or deep past life connection
that you share with that person,or you know, whatever that kind of
deep connection is. And then youhave whatever you break up or you have
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separation as they like to call it. You know, it's all a part
of getting you to this place inyour spiritual journey to go within, to
force you to go within because you'reso broken, you're in that dark night
of the soul space where you're reallybeing forced to find that connection with your
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higher self, with your divine Andthat's what I really think the true twin
flame connection ultimately ends up being yourrelationship with self love and your connection to
the divine And I mean, yeah, I'm sure there are couples who are
you know, would essentially represent thattwin flame connection. But I also feel
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like for most people, it's moreabout spiritual growth journey than anything. It's
an internal thing and unifying the masculineand feminine within you to even be able
to come into union with someone ofthe opposite sex or same sex, if
that's what you're into, Like whateverfloats your boat. But you know,
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I think if you've experienced it likeyou just described it, like, oh,
this person really changed my life.They really made me face my demons,
They really made me face my shadow. They really made me look into
these triggers that I have or maybechildish behaviors that were still playing it out,
playing its way out into adulthood.You know, all these all these
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nagging things about our stagnancy and ourself growth journey. You know, those
people kind of bring it out ofus, you know. And I think
you're so right about that. AndI think even if you don't end up
with that person, they served acrucial role in your journey. And you
know, you could separate for youknow, five, ten, fifteen years
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and come back together and even justbe great friends. You know, you
never know what your journey's going toplay out as, and I don't know
if there is a wrong path.I think every every step you take in
life, you're going to learn yourlessons. You're going to be presented with
challenges. And it's all about howyou alchemize that into your life and how
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you transform, you know, thenegative into a positive, and how it
can impact your life versus set youback even further. Like everything can be
a comeback if you choose to chooseit to be, versus letting it be
a setback to where you like you'restabilized. You can't you can't go forward
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after that. Like, ultimately thatis your choice. And like you said,
I think it goes back to youat the end of the day,
and it comes back to where areyou at within and how much are you
projecting onto someone else in an intimateconnection relationship to where you're not confronting your
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own misdeeds or yourself that are unhealed. Yeah, it all plays out,
It all comes as it put.That's right. It does. Is all
in divine timing too, totally.Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, do
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you think there's like a rhyme orreason to it, or it's different for
everyone obviously, but like, youknow, what's funny, is it?
My My theories on twin flames areconstantly changing, right Like I feel like
when I was younger, Yeah,I used to believe in the fairy tale
concept of that other half of usis out there somewhere and you know,
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we're just waiting to draw them inand have this fabulous life together. But
then, like I said, theolder I got on, the more experiences
I had, and the more connectionsI made with people like I had,
I've had a lot of people thatI would say I considered to be soulmates,
you know. And I feel likethere's a lot of there's a lot
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of people that I feel like definitelyhave been around with a time or two.
And then there's been those that I'vefelt really like, deeply connected to
on that twin flame kind of level. But I feel like the teachings are
what have or the moments that I'velearned from and the twin flame experiences have
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made And a second guess that it'sso cut and dry, I don't think
it is cut and dry. Ireally think it's a personal journey for each
of us. And I, likeyou're saying, I think that's more about
your growth, your personal growth.Like for me, that particular breakup I
was referencing with the archangel Michael demonthing that led me into a real deep
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spiritual growth journey and I started meditatinga lot. From that, I really
got to this place of understanding ofduality versus non duality. You know,
I became very familiar with the conceptof somebody and you know, I just
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it kind of opened me up becauseof the experience I'd had from that relationship.
And I think back now, likehad I not had a choice,
yeah, yeah, I probably wouldn'thave been able to have those experiences,
you know, at least maybe notat the right time, who knows.
But they taught me to a lotabout my own childhood traumas and the triggers
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and the things that you know oftenand I've been able to heal a lot
of that and and I'm grateful forthat, you know. And but I
have no desire to be in arelationship with that person again. I would
I am friends with that person,and I wouldn't you know, have understand
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the wall. But I don't thinkthat I am looking for that twin flame
anymore either, Like I feel likeI've gotten to this place to where I'm
so comfortable being with myself, yes, and being happy, you know,
and really loving myself, and justto that place to where like I sure,
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if someone comes in and it's agood fit, that's great, but
I'm not like out there looking yeahyeah, chasing, yeah, looking for
someone to complete you. Absolutely.Yeah. It's it's like coming from a
place of appreciation or like openness,but also like discernment versus complete desperation,
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and I'll take whatever comes and youknow, I'll ignore any red flags or
you know, seven Yeah. There'sa clip of rom DAWs speaking. It's
one of my favorites where he talksabout he talks about the experience of falling
in love with someone right, andhow the experience of falling in love is
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like saying, you are the personwho activates the part in me it makes
me feel in love. It's notI'm in love with you, it's that
you are activating what's already within meto feel yes, and that is so
beautiful because it and but we becomeaddicted to the person thinking that that's who's
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giving us the feeling, but they'rejust showing us what's already in us exactly.
And so when you get to theplace to where you understand that that
that it's not about them, it'sabout us and what's in us already,
and how we can tap into thatanytime we want, you know, when
we come in that higher relationship,that relationship with our higher self, which
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now I feel like is my twinflame. I feel like my twin is
my higher self, you know.Yeah. I heard Matteas to Stephano say
that on Aubrey Marcus podcast recently.So interesting, Yeah, and I agree
with that concept. I think wedo have to unify the polarities within us.
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And you know, if we continueto ignore or deflect from our shadow
side and like you know, completelyact like it doesn't even exist and refuse
to do the work, like,we're going to continue to experience the same
dynamics, whether we stay in thesame toxic relationship, continue to attract more
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toksic relationships where it's a different womanbut same dynamic and all this. You
know, that's just how it goes. And I think until you really take
a hard look in the mirror andyou know, sit with yourself and aren't
looking for someone to complete you orjust take away your boredom. You know,
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that's part of the journey is likenot getting bored and like finding things
to fill in those gaps that youknow are truly productive and you're staying not
productive in the sense of like youalways have to be working or doing something,
but just being with whatever it isin gradtitude and fulfillment and just contentment,
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appreciation for all that you have,all that is wherever you're at,
and just being present. Yeah,that's exactly I was about to say.
And like you said earlier, beingin that flow, yes, yeah,
and it's it's it's about enjoying beingwith yourself, you know. Yeah,
under the cave, going to thekay. Yeah, that come out once
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in a while is such the keyfor that. For me, it was
at least it's like really helped meto open up to that space of being
fully pressent you know me too.Breath work is a big one, playing
mass and played their role on myjourney for sure, but yeah, just
keeping that alive. It also talkedabout in the Aquarium Gospel, which I
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mentioned earlier, like how John thebat this came before Jesus, uh,
you know, in the story andhow he was kind of laying the foundation
of what was to come with Jesus. And I was talking about how John
with John baptized with was it fire? Fire? Job baptized with fire,
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right right? And then Jesus withwater? Was that help went I think,
so, I think you're right onthat. Don't quote me, but
I was going to say that hewas baptizing every week versus uh, you
know, a one time thing andyou're done. And it reminded me of
you know, I go to sweatLodge here locally every week and it's like
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you're you're purifying every week you go. But that's that's just that was a
sink in my life that I tookfrom it. But like you know,
every day you wake up just lettingthat gratitude wash over you of like being
reborn. Every day you wake uplike I am a new me, I
am my slate is white clean,like staying focused on what's right in front
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of you in the present moment andjust blowing with it. That reminds me
of the resurrection power that we havewithin us that Jesus said, you know,
we have that resurrection power within ustotally. That's talking about every morning
you wake up, you've resurrected againinto a new into a new frequency that
you have, that that potential tobe. You know, Yeah, that's
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beautiful. I like that totally,and you know, it just totally hits
of you know, like every everyday we wake up and it's like we
might have a bad day of everyonce in a while, but that doesn't
mean we have to have a badweek or a bad month. You know.
It's like just riding those waves ofthe ups and downs and like just
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learning to weather the storm better withtime through the wisdom gained through all your
life experience. Is all your roughestmoments you've been through, like show you
how strong you are. They don'tshow you like you've just been through more
shit. You know. It's likeit's all about perception and how you view
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things, because that's that's been amajor shift in my life this year has
been just how perception can get thebest of you at times, and like
if if you only see the negativeside, or you know, you think
you see everything going on in theworld, you know, and just solely
focus on the horror and like thefear and these these lower level states of
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being that really take you over anddrag you down into that rut where it's
harder to get out of, likethe more you're plugging into it, and
until you unplugged from that, justto like refocus and ultimately unplugged from everything
so you can plug back into sourcewhat you should truly be plugged into,
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whether it's for you know, anextended period or not, you know,
just any time you take the timeto do that, coming out of you
know, those times where you gotungrounded or you've lost your footing and you
know, just getting back on thepath. I like to think of it
as the analogy, and I thinkit's Aarondoiti that talks about this and his
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YouTube clips about the like we areinnately analogous to a bob or floating on
the top of the water, Likethat's the represents like being in the flow
of the divine right, allowing thedivine to work through us. We're in
the flow. There's no resistance.When you let all that negative stuff get
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you down, it's the bobber startsto sink, and all that negativity is
just it's all it is is resistanceto the flow. And so what you're
talking about, how you wake upand you wake up with gratitude or for
me, it's like I go intomeditation. It's a way of letting all
that negative energy, that resistance,just just letting it go and dissipating it
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so you're able to come back upto your natural state again of being in
that flow, being that botber atthe top of the water. That's it's
allowed to experience, you know,the divine working through you. And you
know that's that's beautiful when you canhave that awareness and you can choose that's
the thing. We can choose tobe in that flow in any moment,
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Yes, all we have. It'sjust I like to sometimes just like say
in my head, okay, Ilet it go. I let it go,
and I picture all stuff just fallingoff of me, you know,
like you're just shedding this layer,this heavy layer that's all over you,
and then you just float back upto the top. You know. We
can make that choice to be ina different vibration at any moment. Really,
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oh yeah, and you can totallyfeel it, like when you're getting
into a lower vibration and you know, people hear here like all good vibes
and like these terms like they're trendyor new age or like you know,
clickbait, but like they're legitimate,Like these are like the fabric of all
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of nature, all of how theuniverse operates. Like what did Tesla say?
Like if you want to understand thesecrets of the universe, think of
uh frequency vibration and uh forget thelast one frequency vibration, and what is
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the other one? Uh harmonics.Yeah, throw in the gaps, people
google it. It's late tonight,hang with us. But uh yeah,
just you know, it is allfrequency frequency, that's what it was.
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It's all vibration exactly. It isenergy, frequency of vibration. That's it.
Energy. Yeah, energy, youknow. But yeah, I mean
and and once you can realize thatand realize when you're slipping and when you're
falling down, like know that yougot to you got to feed yourself some
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stuff to get you back up.You know, you've got to get those
practices in, whether it be meditation, breath work, do a yoga session.
Yeah, take a walk outside,listen to some good music. Yeah,
yeah, a good mood. WatchI like to watch comedy, you
know, yeah, laugh laugh,Yeah, totally. It's beautiful. I
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like the COPTEP two of You know, there's a lot out there right now
about timeline jumping, you know,quantum quant quantum leap, and I think
that's fascinating to I like to thinkabout how you can just choose to be
in a different vibration and choose tobe in a different timeline basically by changing
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your vibration, by changing your frequency. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
the same. It's like that wholeconcept of you know, you change yourself
and watch the world around you change, Watch the people around you change,
watch your friends circle change, watchyour outer circle change. Like it's all
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a ripple in the pond, youknow, like every action has a reaction,
like this is this is all apart of it, you know,
and we all have to do ourpart. Like we can't just sit back
and watch everyone else doing the workand be like I want what they got
and like expect to get a shortcutto get there, Like, no,
you gotta do the work. Sorealize, like a Neville Goddard's theory about
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everyone is just us pushed out,and how when you do change your vibration
and your thoughts about something or someone, you realize that they begin to project
back to you what you're putting outthere, like they changed because because you're
changing, like you're saying, becausethey're really just reacting to you in the
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first place, They're they're literally youpushed out. And when I really grasped
that concept, that was mind blowingto me. Oh yeah, I have
that power to manifest your world aroundyou. You really do, and we
do it anyway. We just startedcaught aware that that's what we're doing.
(51:34):
You know? Is that from conversationswith God? No, that's Neil Donald
Walsh Neville got or mixed up.Yeah why, I don't know what book
it is, but I know that'shis theory of that everyone is us pushed
out. Wow. I like thatthat way of putting it. Yeah.
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I definitely have felt that deep deepwithin my soul. I've experienced it with
plant medicine, like the hopiness,you know, the connection to all things.
I definitely felt that my soul.I know it to be true,
and you know, just diving down, you know, all these different books
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I've been coming across and different uhphilosophies and theories out there, different lines
of thinking. It's it's really challengedme and allowed me to adapt like a
framework of words to put around whatI've experienced in some of these spiritual,
(52:43):
uh you know, transcendent experiences I'vehad through plant medicine to allow me to
talk to other people about it ina way that makes sense to where I
just don't sound like a crazy person, like I actually have words to like
explain what I'm trying to say,you know, because I feel like time
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articulating what I want to say sometimes, right. But also, don't you
feel like those experiences have allowed youto go back and I know you grew
up in the Christian faith, right, have allowed to go back and interpret
things from a different standpoint That makesso much more sense to you now,
so much more sense, so muchmore sense. And I love reading like
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That's one of the reasons why Ilike to listen to Eckhart Tolly because he
does a good job deal of makingthat connection with Christianity and spirituality and how
they and deep pap Chopra does thattoo, that I think is so fascinating
to me because it really puts youmore into the mind of Christ or the
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consciousness of Christ versus just the church'sstoic belief systems or the dogma behind it,
you know, and it gives meaningto what you have been taught,
you know, and your moral compassthat you came in with. It's we
I feel like we all come inwith a particular moral compass that guides us
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in the way that we're supposed togrow as a soul and that we're supposed
to learn. But what's fascinating iswhen you have those experiences for yourself,
like you just said that, you'vehad experiences deep down to your soul where
you know and believe that we areall one. And when you have those
experiences, it just really fortifies whatyou've already kind of been taught to believe,
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but it gives it this new justificationthat you never would have been able
to have before, you know.I spoke about this at my father's funeral.
Actually, I talked about how hewas a very spiritual man and he
had his moment where he was likeeighteen or teenager and he was questioning his
whole, you know, belief inGod. He'd been taught, you know,
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growing up in the church that youmust be you must believe this,
you must believe that. But he'dhad an experience for himself to know that
God was real, right, Andso when he he said, he went
to this top of this mountain andhe sat down and he just started praying,
God, I want you to showme this, you know. And
so he had that experience for himself. And I think I talked about this
(55:27):
now I'm realizing in the first podcastI did with you. But when the
Bible group and it showed him thepassage that taught him, you know that
that was God showing him, look, I'm real. And he had that
experience for himself. And that's thewhole thing is that when you experience something,
you're going to believe it because you'vehad it. A person just going
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through your life following some sort ofstrict rules or dogma or teachings or whatever
it is, you know, you'regoing to still be unfulfilled and you're not
going to have the kind of Imean, that's what That's what Jesus did.
He rebelled against his forefathers and hesaid and they didn't believe it.
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That's why they crucified him. Theysaid, you know, you're not the
Christ you proclaimed to be the sonof God. You're not the son of
God like we're all the sons ofdaughters of God, like Jesus was just
the first to say it, andyou know in that story and like I
think it's uh it it teaches youa lot about your own life story if
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you're able to put yourself in Jesus'sshoes, like in the story of Jesus,
like in just how he wasn't afraidto go outside of what the church
said was right or wrong, orhow we're going to do things traditionally,
you know, like he was.He was showing them that, you know,
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they didn't have everything right like theythought, and they were challengeding them
to think outside of the box,to think deeper than they had up to
that point before Jesus had even came. And it's like, I think it
just goes to show like what youwere talking about, like if you haven't
experienced what you know, the wholething is about, like why we go
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to church to have the experience,to have a spiritual connection, Like if
you truly haven't experienced that spiritual connection, it starts to just feel like you're
going through the motion. So you'relike, why am I even here other
than obligation or to give people theperception that I'm doing the right thing or
trying to appease others rather than actuallyfeeling like this is connecting me to God,
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you know, or it based outof fear that you're going to go
to hell and bir literally that too. Yeah, I forget about that one.
Thankfully, it came a long waysthe fact that I'm able to forget
about hell for a little bit.Oh, that's been a great talk.
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Anything else you wanted to leave theaudience with tonight, Thank you so much
for coming back on. Well,thank you so much for having me.
I enjoyed these platforms where you're ableto really express yourself and I feel like
I feel like you're definitely a kindredsoul and we always have good conversations.
I guess I just want to leavepeople with this idea that you know,
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it doesn't matter what path you godown, as long as you're authentic in
the path you travel, and whenyou in the path that you travel,
others can sense that and it encouragesthem to be authentic as well. And
I's all I would love to say. It's just be you and enjoy that.
And I'm so sir. Well,thank you all for listening out there.
(58:50):
I send you all peace and love. I hope you all have a
beautiful US the week. Thank youfor listening. Happy all
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