March 26, 2024 • 49 mins
Jenny Constantine is a spiritual seeker, tarot reader & all around awesome human. We discuss her experience in a WASP boarding school with the recent release of The Program docu series currently on Netflix, Thoth Tarot & thoughts on this upcoming year.
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Welcome to Ascension of the Chessman,diving into the esoteric, occult, spiritual,
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breathe, and together awaken into greatness. This is Ascension of the Chessman with
your host Andre Mitty. Welcome tothe Ascension of the Chessman podcast. I'm
your host, Andre Middy. Today'sguest is a spiritual seeker, tarot reader
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and all around awesome human being.Ladies and gentlemen, Hobbinson Fairies give a
warm welcome to Jenny Constantine. I'mHie. Thank you. I love that.
Happy to have you so much.Yeah. Yeah, So for the
listeners who aren't aware, I reachedout to Jenny recently after I seen her
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post about this new Netflix documentary calledThe Program. It's all about you know,
these boarding schools and what kids gothrough and all the trauma involved,
and you know, the kids speakingout about it today as they've grown older
and grown the resources and know howit's inspiring to see, and I think
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it's a story that needs to beshared and told and spread far and wide,
because I think this ship needs tobe exposed and you know, talked
about more often. So honored tohave you here, your sister, and
I can't wait to talk to youmore about this. But before we get
too far in, I usually kickedmy show off with this first question for
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every guest, So for those whoaren't familiar, can you explain what it
is that you do? And Iguess I won't walk you up to realize
and maybe there's more to this lifethan your originally taught or thought. Oh
sure, well that was such acool intro. I really liked your intro
there, Thank you. So Iread Tarot parts. I've been reading them
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professionally for going on seven years,but I've been an amateur for like over
a decade. It's my passion,it's my job. And you know,
as far as when I knew therewas something more, so, I was
born into an intelligence family, somy dad worked from the State Department,
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and you know, it was adifferent upbringing being overseas. It's like just
a different sort of exposure and lifestyle. And I think I knew very very
early on, like I could tellthat there was a difference between there were
different sets of rules that were beingset forth, there were some kind of
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clandestine circuitry network, and these peoplewere subject to an entirely different culture,
law, way of life, beliefsystem. And then we ultimately moved back
to the United States and I wasable to experience the contrast, like the
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real contrast between sort of the mindcontrol in the United States versus the rest
of the world. So that wasreally I've kind of always been this is
my karma, I think, tobe born into a family like that and
always had a sense of being awake. That's ultimately why I became a reader,
because I was like, there's somuch going on around us. I
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can't just focus on the mundane.I know there's more. I can hear
it, I can feel it,I can smell it, I can see
it. So my life has justbeen an exploration of those sort of multi
dimensional, multifaceted realities and sort ofhow they're interfacing with the one that we're
attuned to consciously. So I hopethat answers your question. Yeah, that's
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interesting. I could only imagine allthe stories you have from growing up in
that environment, and you know howyou would differ from most quote unquote normal
kids, like you know that havethe cookie cutter life and you know everyone's
keeping up with the jones Is andgot this perfect little family, and you
know you're bouncing around country to countryor you know your dad can't talk about
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what he does, and just whatthat creates in your home life and your
upbringing, Like, yeah, youwould start to question things from a young
age, I would imagine. Andyou know, my dad worked in government
for many years on the local level, and he recently retired last year,
and I grew up around that too. I mean, maybe not to that
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level, but it was definitely inmy face from a young age, like
where I couldn't avoid, you know, being around it because so what my
dad did for a living. AndI don't think you know, people can
say whatever they want about us,you know, for that reason. But
it's like we were boarded to it, like we didn't have a choice.
And maybe we did choose this,like we chose this life before we even
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got here, and we picked ourparents and all that jazz. But yeah,
I mean, so like how didit all happen? Like were you
going to just a regular school beforeyou took the boarding school route, or
you know, not getting along withyour parents, or you know, fights
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with brother or your siblings. Didyou have any siblings. So I do
have an older brother, and heis nine years older than me, so
he was sent off to the militaryschool. So they didn't you know,
they did a style, sort ofdifferent style, but you know the thing
about being in this sort of andthey're not all one size fits all with
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intelligence families, but there was azero tolerance policy there, so they sort
of, you know, like myparents outsourced my mental health needs from day
one. So they started with thepharmaceutical drugs and really intense things like anti
psychotics, you know, and I'mnot even close to psychotic, not as
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a child, as a teenager,not as a young adult, not as
an older adult, you know.So it was just kind of super strange,
just their protocol. But basically,so we moved back to the United
States and I was having a verydifficult time adapting, and we at my
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high school before Darrington Academy was MarjorieStoneman Douglas, which was the school the
twenty eighteen shooting were seventeen people.Yeah, and I always thought that was
very strange because when I attended highschool there, I was undergoing a great
deal of mental health interventions throughout youknow, pharmaceutical drug interferences. You know,
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there's all this kind of weird stuff. And I do think that there
was there's something going on in likeBroward County, Florida, and heard a
lot about that county. Yeah,oh yeah, it was When I tell
you, it was like the WildWest when it comes to juvenile mental health.
Like they're just like wrangling, mantoringcandidates left and right, attempting to
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you know, influence and infiltrate societyby you know, getting to the kids.
Right. So, I don't knowif I think it's gotten better since
like Trump's presidency. I think thatthe mood has shifted a great deal,
but it's hard to confirm that.But I was real bad, Like I
never went to school. I wasa bad kid, Okay, I really
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was. I was difficult to control. But you know, my parents decided
after various institutions and it wasn't working, they were like, Okay, they
found this program. It was beingmarketed as privatized. It was an academic
officially, they could call themselves aschool because they had an academic director,
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and all you really need to callyourself a school is somebody who was is
some kind of like a registered educatorand has like a certain kind of degree,
Like you need the bare minimum tobe able to legally be defined as
a school. So what WWASP did, basically work was to create this network
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of sister schools all around the countryand some internationally. All of these schools
were subject to the same everybody hadthe same It wasn't so much the same
education or like academic curriculum that wasso secondary. The school that we got,
like the the the actual academics waspretty much it was pretty basic,
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you know American like you know,the education stuff. It really wasn't an
ideal breezed through it. But thecore of these programs were the seminars.
And the seminars came around every sixto eight weeks. They had people come
onto the campus, uh and theyhad us sort of exert so much energy
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over the course of like two tothree days where you're so tired that you
can't you can't book the programming anymore. Like they break you down, they
make you they listen, it's likeso crazy, Like I was traumatized watch
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of this ship was like, Iwon't watch it. I can't even watch
it, Like have you seen it? I'm like, I'm not I need.
I don't blame you one bit.Yeah, you'd be reliving it,
you know. Yeah. It wastwo thousand and six. By the time
I'd gotten there, I'd been toso many other places before that that were
really bad, like really like violent, like sexual assault, like physical assault,
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like all kinds of terrible things.So by the time I gotten to
Darryington Academy at sixteen, this isgonna this is like an unpopular opinion,
but that place like they let mecome off of the anti psychic psychotics,
like they let me come off ofall of my medication because they were warmon
and they were actually that's it,like you wouldn't even think, but this
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is going and this is gonna soundcrazy. But the w WASP were actually
pretty anti establishment, anti government,and they were all about like Mormonism,
which is actually kind of anti government, right, right, So they preached
this thing where like you don't needthis stuff. All you need is our
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mind control. We can fix everything. You don't need that, you need
that, you don't need that.But they were their own sort of order.
You know, I was there fora year. The seminars were the
worst. You you ultimately have toadmit all of these traumatizing, terrible every
shitty thing that you've ever done orthat has been done to you. You
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have to you have to expose yourselflike you have to share. It's a
humiliation ritual, right, And thisreminds me of scientology in a way.
Yeah, yes, the process.Yeah, and blackmail that goes on.
Yeah, and I grew up ina Catholic school, so I relate like
we had to go to confession,like we were forced to do the same
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thing, and you know, it'sa different form of that. But yeah,
I know what you mean. It'sfucked up. It's the shame they
use. The shame frequency gets you. And it's like were you like you
got yeah exactly, that's interested.Yeah. So uh so you said you
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came from some some shittier environments too, like before this, so like this
was nothing new to you and almosta sigh of relief at first, like
compared to places you had been.Yes, because I'm saying something well and
it really is, but it drawsattention to like the state and county funded
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hospitals and like juvenile facilities, likeanywhere that the state or the county can
get their hands on the kids,it's going to be really, really bad.
They're just they lent themselves to morecorruption. There's a lot more control
with WWNSP. It's completely privatized,so you're just kind of at the mercy
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of different entities basically. But forme, there was more. There was
more violence and danger for me atBroward County facilities for me. But I
think that that also, I willadmit that that may have a lot have
had a lot to do with mybehavior. So in Darrington Academy, you
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didn't get physically assaulted unless you wereposturing like you were threatening somebody with physical
violence or you know. I meanthere has been a lot of abuse,
Like these were grown adults assaulting peopleminors, but at the same time,
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like you could avoid it, likeI avoided it, you know. But
then you know, we had boysand girls. So but when I went
in there, I was a sixteenyear old girl. I wasn't wild like
I was at like fourteen, andI kind of just like kept my head
down and did the work. Butthen we had we would have like seventeen
year old males come in. Theyweren't drugged, they weren't anything. Reality
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would set in and they would goape shit wild, and then we would
have the big administrators come in andlike dump them on their heads, like
break collar phones and stuff like that. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. So
did they separate the guys and girlswhere you were at? Not only were
we separated, but we would endurewhat's called a Cap four Cat five consequence
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for interfacing with the co eds whatsoever. That means looking in their direction.
If there was a group of boysor a group of girls, we had
to turn our heads away. Itwas hysterical though, because there had been
several points where boys and girls gotcaught like having said, oh yeah,
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no, no, no, notjust looking, that's going to happen.
These kids were there because they werebad kids, bad kids, right,
so tell them not to do something. So these things would happen. The
entire building, the entire place wouldget shut down for like forty years.
Oh god, I never got involvedin anything like that. I just wasn't
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that person. I just I waslike, I want to get out of
here so bad and take revenge,take back. You were probably on your
best behavior, like I went outof this place as fast as possible,
you know, just like prison.Well, they'll use that hope thing.
They'll let you even because it wasall about money. It was all about
getting tuition from parents one year ortwo years. There were kids that were
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enrolled at fifteen. They didn't getout till they were eighteen years old.
There were some kids if they didn'twork the program, meaning if they were
resistant, violent, hostile, andthe parents decided that they didn't want to
reclaim that child, Darrington Academy wasable to sign the sort of the rights
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of that kid over to this facilitycalled Tranquility Bay in Jamaica, where you
don't get out till you're twenty oneyears old, and the labor laws are
different. And we knew people thatwere sent to Tranquility Bay. And there
was a suicide in Tranquility Bay whichreally opened the floodgates in retrospect that suicide,
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somebody threw themselves off the roof.The kids had to use the towels
that where there was brain matter allover the towels from the impact, and
they didn't even let the kids washthe towels. They had these goods I
know, so it's horrifying. No, I'm good with it, like we
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need to hear it, So thankyou for sharing. I had no idea
about that. That's great, that'sall. And we have had information from
public court documents that can all bethat can all be found online. Wow.
Yeah. Like watching the documentary,I was just kind of mind blown,
like these building focused on Ivory Ridgeand this buildings just abandoned now and
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you can just walk right in thereand they just have all these fucking file
cabinets full of shit, like allthese records and files and even like security
footage, like all the evidence justlay it there for anyone to just walk
up on it. That's what theydid the documentary. And I just found
that strange how they like just leftit all behind, like with no shame
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at all, like almost like they'reinvincible to ever be prosecuted or shut down.
And that kind of stuck out tome. And just like you know
all the rules, like you touchedon a little bit of that, but
like you couldn't even talk right,like is that right. We had something
called the Hope Buddy System, andthe Hope Buddy system was this is what
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we did when we had a newintake. It doesn't matter who you are,
how old you are. You comein, you can't speak, you
don't talk to anybody. You areassigned a hope buddy, and the only
person that you can speak to isyour hope buddy for like the first five
days or so. If it tookyou more time to adapt, you would
have to stick with that hope buddy. I was a hope buddy a couple
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of times because I, you know, I had a natural sense of like
compassion, Like I was like,it's okay, It's it's going to be
all right, you know, it'syou know. But if you didn't get
a good hope buddy, if yougot someone who is like bitter, like,
it's real bad because you'd have somebodyfill in your head with like tear
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terrible things. It's kind of like, you know, you start a new
job. I don't know if youever worked in like the restaurant industry,
but I was. I was aserver for so long, so it's like,
you know, you get stuck withthe miserable bits who's training years hated
her job for ten years. Ohyou know, so it could really,
you know, it could be reallysuper scary for new intakes. But I
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was always a nice hope buddy.You can't speak to anybody. Your shoes,
we had these, like none ofour shoes could have backs on them
because you can't run. There hadbeen some runs attempted. A couple of
girls actually made it, and theyjumped two towns over and they were like
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staying at some man's house for likeso they were, oh my god,
well we don't know. But theybrought the girls back to the school to
the program and they kept these girlsin these trailers for two weeks with no
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showers and they I mean they obviouslyhad to feed them, but it was
a punishment. You know. Theywere on suicide Watch, run Watch and
all these different things. They wereso dirty. Not only did they have
to like gut the trailers because betweenthe carpeting and like everything, you can
never get the smell out. Butall these girls broke out with MRSA and
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then Merca broke out in the restof the dorms. So like everything from
scabies, LCE, MRSA, mold. We had outbreaks of stuff every other
week. That was probably the worstfor me, Like because you don't you
can't have any products, like youget shampoo, and then you have to
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put your hair up if you havelong hair. So like my hair started
to mold from being up wet constantly, you know what I mean. Because
they're trying to keep lice down,you know, there should keep lips away.
So it's like really discussing it washonestly more of a disgusting experience than
anything else because people kids are gross, and like nobody that were all like
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left to our own devices, right, I mean, we had to keep
things clean, but at the sametime, like it's the place was dirty.
The place was just filthy all thetime. Yeah, and like just
like learning that like a lot ofthese people running the thing like weren't even
qualified to be doing what they weredoing even a little bit. Like honestly,
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like one of the better parts ofit for me were the chaperones because
they were just like local people andthey were like, man, some of
them were I'm still friends with someof them. Some of them were felons.
Some of them came from the chickenfactory, some of them came from
Kmart. Like it was it wasin at the times, I would say,
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so seven real small town Blue Ridge, Georgia. There was no nothing
else going on around There are acouple of gas stations, of kmart and
a chicken factory, so that hadall these jobs. So these people that
are supposed to monitor us these verydifficult you know children have all this like
shit going on. Like these peoplewere so easy to manipulate, Like it
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was so easy for me to likework like work over all of these adults,
I didn't, like, it's justlike super like messes up. But
some of them are really good people. And they'd sit down and they'd be
like, between you and me,like this is messed up. You know
what I mean, I'm crazy.Yeah. Yeah. They would tell us
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all the time, if we couldjust get you guys out of here and
and bring out to the woods andyou know, get you guys some like
real fresh air. They knew whatwas going on was super fucked up.
Pardon me, but yeah. Soyeah. The other thing that was like
mind blowing to me, which thisis what you started with, was like
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how easy it is to consider yourselfa school. So like all these kids
like thinking they're getting diplomas like thatare worth nothing. Not that a diploba
was worth a whole lot anyways,but like to like mislead you, and
not only mislead you, but chargeyou, you know, tremendous amounts of
money for this fraudulent diploma. Islike mind blowed to be? So oh
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yeah, like did when did peoplestart to catch on to that or like
realize like you would think like oncekids like got out of high school,
they went to go, you know, get a job or whatever out of
high school, they would nobody didthat. So when so I, a
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lot of kids died. Almost allof the girls became teen moms within three
to five years we being the program, myself included, I became a mom
two years after I left the programat nineteen years old, and that was
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very much the norm amongst my peersas well. We all dove headfirst into
more complicated situations like almost to nobodyhad a good time afterwards, So the
scholastic academic part really didn't matter,because it really it was as if it
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never happened for a lot of us, Like it was just like like we
left the program messed up, Likewe're just like, well, now what
it was like being in a dreamfor a year sort of being in like
this alternate reality and now you're throwninto this strange world, and I don't
think it dawned on people honestly untilhere recently, I've noticed people haven't processed
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what happened to that unpack my god, the theories a lot of us,
Like it brought up a lot forpeople, and so now people are sort
of remembering things that they forgot.They're like, oh, my god,
like putting all these pieces together.I'm a little bit like hesitant to kind
of blow it up because and likewe've done so good, that's far.
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Let's not let this sort of triggerlike break us now, Like we're free.
Let's let's remind ourselves that we're free. But I definitely think that there's
there's a huge sense of validation inour little you know, survivor community right
now because they're like, wow,like we thought we thought we were crazy.
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Because you leave and you tell peoplewhat you've just been through and they'll
look at you like what, likeyou weren't So you're saying you were in
a cult, and it's like thisactually happened. Yeah, I was in
a call. That's that's freaking weird. It's weird, right, Yeah,
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I mean it's just mind blowing tome, Like I yeah, and I
see what you're doing, and Iunderstand like the tone you're using with it,
because you know it is a slipperyslope to like fall into this victim
consciousness. And you know, I'ma victim to my circumstances and my parents
are to blame for sending me.And you know that narrative can run the
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rest of your life, and thatcan be debilitating, you know, and
be crucial to you know, destroyingyour mental health and never being able to
fully move on from that and liveyour life to the fullest. You know.
So I commend you for you know, not just you know, tagging
on and jumping on the bandwagon oflike I'm going to bash the hot of
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the and just be honest about likeyour experience and like like you said,
like I was different than others,and you know, I was able to
work my manipulated to get what Imean, yeah, put my head down
and go with it. I mean, because I had gotten my ass beat
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like in other places terrible things.And so I'm like, you know what,
I have a feeling I'm going tobe here a while. I just
knew I was in for a bodyfor a year at Elites. So I
was like Okay, Well, ifthis is what we're going to do and
you see it, you'll wake upand there'll be people missing, and they
either got pulled out or they gotsent to TB. And there was definitely
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an ominous sense there, like ifyou sorry Tranquility Bay in Jamaica that you
know, and that usually only happenedto the males girls. Not too many
girls from Darrington got sent to TranquilityBay, but because it was reserved for
some of like the wild ones,the wild boys, that whose parents just
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gave up essentially and they were likesorry, yeah, it's like so tragic.
A lot of suicides, a lotof people ended it, a lot
of people fell into drugs, alot of people fell into the prison system,
a lot of depth. A lotof those people that actually didn't survive.
The rest of us became teen moms, and to be completely honest,
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most of us are only now gettingour footing. I guess wow, you
know, I mean, like Ireally have had it way better than some
of my peers, but only becauseof like I forgave my parents. I
really did you have to? Yeah, because honestly, I was like,
you know what, like you're forgivingthem for yourself so you can move forward,
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you know, exactly. Like it'sbeen said on my show in the
past, like a good mentor ofmind wide Eagle Medicine woman, she said,
the hardest forgiving, you know,and that goes to it is,
you know, it's not not justforgiving to others, but you're forgiving for
yourself, you know, and multipleuses of what you're doing. When you're
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forgiving, you're giving, you know, not only to yourself, but to
that person that hurts you or traumatizedyou or you know, wrecked your life.
It's like, what were they goingthrough that caused them to act out
like that or like, you know, this horrible behavior they imposed on you,
Like what the hell did they gothrough to like, you know,
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bring that out of them and youknow, do that to someone else.
Yeah, you know, hurt people, hurt people. It's like until we
all could realize that, we're alljust going to be traumatized, like triggered,
you know, walking around just readyto react to someone versus all right,
I understand you because I know you'veprobably been through some shit. I
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don't understand. I don't know yourpast, like, uh, to why
you get triggered by this? Orthat, and it's like we're more alike
than we are different, And that'skind of the basis of my show and
like why I started it. It'slike I see it as ascending above this
you know, divide and conquered bullshit, like we're just arguing about ideologies or
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this or that. It's like we'reall fucking human here, Like we've all
had fucking challenges in our life toget us to this mo bit. But
I think we're all put here fora reason to like create the world we
want to live in, and youknow, just be better people and not
be a victim of our circumstances andto overcome and you know, walk the
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walk of the hero's journey to becomethat hero in our own story and not
just like you know, let ourstory be decided based on you know,
our upbringing or this or that,or just take the path our parents set
out for us. You know,couldn't agree more. Yeah, but yeah,
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we talked a lot about the boardingschools. So you did about a
year there and then you got togo back to a regular high school or
no, So I was done.I completed the basically, I graduated,
like I got my like ged equivalentwhile I was at Darrington, So I
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was able to like just smoke throughall the academic stuff. So I was
able to like get an education,get an education, right, right,
whatever we want to call that.Yeah, I was seventeen when I got
out, and I was formally droppedout of high school at sixteen, so
by the time I went to theprogram, I wasn't enrolled anywhere. But
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when I got out actually found SoI've always done martial arts, but when
I left the program, I swearwhat saved my life was jiu jitsu,
and it's something I still do today. Is something I think if some of
my peers had something an outlet likethat, trauma release, stress relief,
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all that stuff, maybe like whatwe would have had like a higher success
rate with the survivors. But Idid, you know, because of what
I was accustomed to, a sortof toxic, toxic relationships in general.
My relationships with my parents were toxic. I immediately jumped into a toxic relationship
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with someone who was quite a bitolder than me and then immediately started having
children. It does happen. Ihave no regrets, like I'm obviously I
have three beautiful children and they're likemy greatest gifts. And I'm like grateful
every single day that I started youngtoo, because now I just like,
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oh okay, that's you know now, do you know what I mean?
Way, everybody's wonderful and healthy andI'm so grateful for my children. But
it did, you know, Ijust hit the ground running right out of
the program. I was like,okay, you know, I'm free.
What does a freak girl do?You know? She runs from home and
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you know, starts, you know, play's house with some you know,
I think you were just trying tojust and cope and it's like, you
know, you were just acting theway you knew, how you know,
and doing your best well and therewas no going back. You know.
My parents sent me away and therewas still that sense of like even when
I came back, I was like, they didn't really want me back.
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They couldn't pay for that, Theydidn't want to pay for another year at
Darrington, but they would have hadthey had the money for it. So
I just kind of like just youknow, there was there was so much
betrayal, There was so much badblood. And what's unfortunate to see is
that I still see that a lotwith with kids my age now that we're
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all big kids, but there's stilla strain between the parents and I just
you know, and I work.I talked to a lot of them and
they're like, you know, Ijust can't let it go. And I
just try to let them know likewe're big now, like we're adults,
and if you're not forgiving them,like you really are doing it for you
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so that you can move on andfind some inner peace going backwards. I
really I think you had such agreat point. It really does keep us
stuck in that victim mentality. Andyou know, with these schools, I
think that the issue now is thatthere's some of them are still operational,
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and to sort of shine a lighton some of these programs that are still
active and operational right now, it'sprobably the best use of the of the
exposure as opposed to like going backin time pointing fingers at all these people.
I guarantee you they're folks that areshivering in their boots because they're like,
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oh my god, are these teenagersgoing to rat on us and talk
part singing like canaries about all thisstuff that was going on between chaperones and
kids that shouldn't have been going on. You know, I'll never say anything.
I'll never say anything because I'm notthat kind of person. I'm okay,
I'm not going to like crack someonelike get out of here, Like
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I don't have time for that shit. But some people do. Some people
are really really salty about it.Yeah, it's like we want revenge.
And then God whispers like they're alreadysuffered, like they're already livel with it,
you know. And it's like anotherone I like is don't let the
rea, don't don't let the wayyou were raised be the reason you fall.
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And it's like I think that's agood model of the lip by,
you know. It's like we canwe can be a victim of our circumstances
growing up, like oh I didn'tget to do this because my parents wouldn't
let me, or I was stuckin this mindset or at this disadvantage because
of the way I was raised.But ultimately, like how long are you
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going to play that story out?You know, till you pick up the
stick and start walking with it,you know, and you know, you
create your own path. And Ithink we're all on that journey of finding
our true selves and being more authentic, being genuine and true to you know,
what we were put here to do, and that's to live authentically,
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you know, make the most ofit and you know, try to be
in the bob at what we canand just take it all in and you
know, enjoy our time while we'rehere. As shitty as the world looks
at times and as much crazy shit'sgoing on in the world, it's like,
we can't lose ourselves in it.That's the challenge. Sometimes this place
can be really cool though, likeyou know, and I appreciate the Oh
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my god, like that's my that'smy life. And you know, and
it's one thing. Do you havekids? Not yet? No, Yeah,
okay someday, so you're you seemreal, You're you're you look very
young, so you have but yeah, when you you know, watching kids
grow and you realize, oh mygod, it's like that, like oh
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my god, like they're they're likethis, and then they're like this,
and just you know, being inthose moments with them and sort of retroactively,
retrospectively thinking of everything I had Iwent through. I'll tell you,
as a mom, I'll never allowlike I would never send my kids anywhere
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like I'm weird about sleepovers. I'mlike forget, just like sending my kids
off, shipping them off somewhere.So it has a wonderful thing that has
come out of this for me isthis natural sense of hyper vigilance when it
comes to my own kids. Iknow when something's wrong before anybody says anything.
I'm like going on with child numbertwo, you know what I mean,
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like a disturbance in the forest.Oh yeah, and I think I
do think it had something to dowith like not having that, not having
gotten that at all from my parents. So I'm like I would do anything
to reverse that and sort of fistakeyeah yeah, and then that generationally,
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like the buck stops there, likeyes, we don't do that anymore.
We don't. We don't then neglect, we don't negate this mess gas light
no no, no, no,no, like this is I love it?
Yeah No, it's all about that, Like, uh, you know,
that's why we chose our parents tolearn the lessons we needed to and
(38:52):
to learn from their example good andbad. You know, it's not all
bad, and it's like we canlook at the bad be that's all we
need to focus on. Like sooneror later you got to see the good
too, like the qualities of youthat would be there without your parents.
It's like, oh, I seewhy that served a good purpose, you
know, just you know, takingthe time to analyze yourself and sit with
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all of it. You know,it comes in waves throughout our lives.
But I think it's important to recognizeand to integrate that stuff into our adulthood.
You know, as we look backon like the shit we went through,
and it's like here we are tosib war situation with our kids.
It's like to take this route thistime, not do what was done to
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me. Yeah, and that rightthere, it makes the whole thing.
It just brings a whole faith fullcircle totally. But yeah, we're we've
been going about fifty minutes here.I guess I'd like to hit on what
you find a lot of value intoday and what you're up to now.
So like growing up where you raiseraised in like a religious home or uh
(40:02):
like taught Tarot was like evil andall this. How did you find Taro?
You know? So my relationship Tara, Taro found me when I was
about twenty four years old. Okay, it found me. I was not
raised religious. I would say Iwas raised very spiritual. My parents in
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the nineties were listening to a lotof channeled material trying on you know,
stuff like that, and I wasn'ttuned into it consciously, but I was
definitely picking up back chatter and itdefinitely like influenced me. So I had
that sort of like esoteric metaphysical undercurrentfrom day one. Like, and I
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was born in eighty nine, soI'm of the Indigo wave. I really
do believe that. Okay, soyou were my brothers. My brother's a
eighty nine baby, that's what.Yeah, And so kind of always like
there's just like always been this likeemanation of some kind of like like esoteric.
Dare I say a cult because Iam fascinated with the occult, which
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is a reason why I study taroand why it's just very compatible language with
me. But I have a Patreon. It's Jenny Moonstone is my Patreon.
I do weekly readings for my subscribersso they can like ask personal questions or
(41:34):
questions about the collective. Like peopleare really wanted to know about the election,
the precious metals markets, cryptocurrency andstuff like that. So I stay
busy with my cards and my deminicationasking big questions. Do you have a
favorite deck? I do. Myfavorite deck is the Folth Deck. It's
(41:57):
the first deck that I ever got, and it found me. Wow.
I've heard a lot about that deck, so maybe it's another reminder I need
to get that one. You know. I'm going to tell you it's completely
in a league of its own.There is no other Tarot deck on Earth
like it. I get crap,like I get flack for it because it
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was designed in part by Alistair Crowley, who had this sort of terrible stigma
around him. I wouldn't want tobe alone in a room with the guy,
I'll tell you that right now.But in terms of his understanding of
occult science, he you know,his what he managed to uncover and reveal
(42:40):
to us about it is like,yeah, I agree with you. And
for many years I was the sameway, Like I feared Crowley and even
like Manly Pall I was resistant tofor a long time because he was a
thirty third degree Mason. And it'slike, I think people have to get
beyond their comfort zones and like,you know, do their own research,
(43:04):
like look into the people themselves,read their materials, and come to your
own conclusions. It's like it's notgoing to bite you, like, you
know, if you are afraid ofsomething, that will happen. But if
for me, it's all in thename of study and education. That is
how some people will call that ajustification for like studying things that they think
(43:28):
I shouldn't be studying. I don'tcare. I don't care, you know
what I mean, I don't carewhat I We are here to learn and
you need something, study something andnot suddenly identify with It's like I'm this,
No, I just read something.Literally, it's harmless. It's harmless.
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But this is why they burn books, is why they said sensor the
internet. This is why there issuch a campaign of silence and silence.
So but yeah, the Foth Deckis just superb and it's an entire universe
in and of itself and I highlyrecommend it. Oh yeah, well it
was great talking to you. Yeah, no, I I I've I've learned
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a lot about Crowley in the lastcouple of years, like watching documentaries on
him and you know, reading hisbooks. I read the Book of the
Law last year and like just youknow, understanding the material he laid down
and like you know, Yeah,he's a controversial figure, and I feel
you, like he's an imposing figure. I probably wouldn't want to be in
(44:37):
the same room with them either,Like he was wild, like he was
a wild guy. Yeah. Ithink he's also like massively misunderstood and like,
you know, he embraced all thatalmost like satanic panic and like,
uh yeah, he was like Iam the anti Christ because like they put
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that onto him and he just likeran with it. You know. It
was almost like it kind of remindsme of like the Trump phenomena, Like
Trump embraces all publicity. Like Trumpis a lot like a magician like Crowley,
was he truly? Is he truly? Is right? Yeah, I
agree with that. But yeah,I guess we got about five minutes left
(45:21):
here. What gives you hope forthe future and what's your outlook on twenty
twenty four based on what you pickedup on recent readings or outreadings or aligning
lining up. I know every dayis different, but hearing a lot about
twenty twenty four. What's your take. So twenty twenty four is the year
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of the Dragon, Yes, andthe dragon is the only mythical creature in
the Chinese Zodiac, and I thinkthat that is really a testament to what
we can expect the consciousness are collectiveto undergo when it comes to like our
understanding of the world that we livein. And I believe that we share
(46:05):
this world with other beings, otherintelligences, and so in terms of like,
you know, the conversations and alsothings that we're quite literally witnessing and
experiencing in the natural world and allaround us. A huge increase in paranormal
(46:27):
activity, huge increases in sightings ofall kinds cryptids, spirits, zombies,
vampires, aliens, anything, everythingyou name it there because what's happening is
the dimensional barriers are they're dissolving.Is there's a construct, there's been some
kind of a construct, like asynthetic construct. It's partially synthetic that was
(46:51):
constructed that keeps us compartmentalized and attunedto this reality. This is why when
you encounter did or ghost or apparition, you'll see it out of your peripheral
vision because it's just outside of yourperception. When you turn to face it
directly at this head on angle,you can't see it anymore. And so
(47:12):
and that's because of the human eyesightwas tampered with again, a partially synthetic
construct that was put we were tamperedlike a long time ago and this year
in particular, and moving forward,I believe that those barriers, those frequency
barriers, are It's not that they'regoing to go away because there are rules.
We can't all just mesh together.The boundaries are dissolving. It's getting
(47:37):
weird, y'all. It's getting weird. And definitely, like in the Year
of the Dragon, we're expecting theunexpected. We aren't have to face these
unfortunate sort of what's it called outburstsfrom a group of people, beings that
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are so very afraid to lose control. They're losing control and so you know,
when an animal is cornered, they'revery dangerous. And so I do
feel unfortunate increase and things like youknow, domestic terrorism, domestic violence,
I'm sorry, not domestic violence.Domestic terrorism basically, I mean, domestic
violence is certainly shitty, and it'sbut the idea of like you know,
(48:22):
the immigration crisis. You know,we have to worry about cyber attacks,
we have to worry about all kindsof you know, sleeper cells and things
like that. So the listeners toworry about is certainly not short. But
the idea in a Year of theDragon, it is all about metamorphosis and
expecting the unexpected, and so I'mhere for it. I love it.
(48:43):
Yeah, it's one big giant adventureand riding the ride, taking the ticket.
Well, it's been a pleasure speakingwith the Johnny. I really enjoyed
this one. And yeah, ifyou just want to let the listeners know
where they can find you, Ithink you said you had a Patreon anywhere
else you like, send them goahead and plug it. Sure, So
if you were interested in getting areading, you're gonna want to go to
(49:05):
my website, which is Jenny Constantinedot com. And if you just want
to check out like what I'm puttingout there, just check me out on
Jenny Constantine on YouTube. So Ihave a channel. I have a few
interviews with Cliff High. I'm suresome of your people know who he is,
so those are some of my favoriteinterviews. But yeah, thanks so
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much for having me this. Thiswas a lot of fun. Yeah,
I enjoyed this. Thank you allfor listening out there. I send you
all peace and love. I hopeyou gained something from this conversation, and
I hope you have a beautiful restof the week. Peace,
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and all around awesome human being.Ladies and gentlemen, Hobbinson Fairies give a
warm welcome to Jenny Constantine. I'mHie. Thank you. I love that.
Happy to have you so much.Yeah. Yeah, So for the
listeners who aren't aware, I reachedout to Jenny recently after I seen her
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post about this new Netflix documentary calledThe Program. It's all about you know,
these boarding schools and what kids gothrough and all the trauma involved,
and you know, the kids speakingout about it today as they've grown older
and grown the resources and know howit's inspiring to see, and I think
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it's a story that needs to beshared and told and spread far and wide,
because I think this ship needs tobe exposed and you know, talked
about more often. So honored tohave you here, your sister, and
I can't wait to talk to youmore about this. But before we get
too far in, I usually kickedmy show off with this first question for
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every guest, So for those whoaren't familiar, can you explain what it
is that you do? And Iguess I won't walk you up to realize
and maybe there's more to this lifethan your originally taught or thought. Oh
sure, well that was such acool intro. I really liked your intro
there, Thank you. So Iread Tarot parts. I've been reading them
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professionally for going on seven years,but I've been an amateur for like over
a decade. It's my passion,it's my job. And you know,
as far as when I knew therewas something more, so, I was
born into an intelligence family, somy dad worked from the State Department,
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and you know, it was adifferent upbringing being overseas. It's like just
a different sort of exposure and lifestyle. And I think I knew very very
early on, like I could tellthat there was a difference between there were
different sets of rules that were beingset forth, there were some kind of
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clandestine circuitry network, and these peoplewere subject to an entirely different culture,
law, way of life, beliefsystem. And then we ultimately moved back
to the United States and I wasable to experience the contrast, like the
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real contrast between sort of the mindcontrol in the United States versus the rest
of the world. So that wasreally I've kind of always been this is
my karma, I think, tobe born into a family like that and
always had a sense of being awake. That's ultimately why I became a reader,
because I was like, there's somuch going on around us. I
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can't just focus on the mundane.I know there's more. I can hear
it, I can feel it,I can smell it, I can see
it. So my life has justbeen an exploration of those sort of multi
dimensional, multifaceted realities and sort ofhow they're interfacing with the one that we're
attuned to consciously. So I hopethat answers your question. Yeah, that's
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interesting. I could only imagine allthe stories you have from growing up in
that environment, and you know howyou would differ from most quote unquote normal
kids, like you know that havethe cookie cutter life and you know everyone's
keeping up with the jones Is andgot this perfect little family, and you
know you're bouncing around country to countryor you know your dad can't talk about
(04:39):
what he does, and just whatthat creates in your home life and your
upbringing, Like, yeah, youwould start to question things from a young
age, I would imagine. Andyou know, my dad worked in government
for many years on the local level, and he recently retired last year,
and I grew up around that too. I mean, maybe not to that
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level, but it was definitely inmy face from a young age, like
where I couldn't avoid, you know, being around it because so what my
dad did for a living. AndI don't think you know, people can
say whatever they want about us,you know, for that reason. But
it's like we were boarded to it, like we didn't have a choice.
And maybe we did choose this,like we chose this life before we even
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got here, and we picked ourparents and all that jazz. But yeah,
I mean, so like how didit all happen? Like were you
going to just a regular school beforeyou took the boarding school route, or
you know, not getting along withyour parents, or you know, fights
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with brother or your siblings. Didyou have any siblings. So I do
have an older brother, and heis nine years older than me, so
he was sent off to the militaryschool. So they didn't you know,
they did a style, sort ofdifferent style, but you know the thing
about being in this sort of andthey're not all one size fits all with
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intelligence families, but there was azero tolerance policy there, so they sort
of, you know, like myparents outsourced my mental health needs from day
one. So they started with thepharmaceutical drugs and really intense things like anti
psychotics, you know, and I'mnot even close to psychotic, not as
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a child, as a teenager,not as a young adult, not as
an older adult, you know.So it was just kind of super strange,
just their protocol. But basically,so we moved back to the United
States and I was having a verydifficult time adapting, and we at my
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high school before Darrington Academy was MarjorieStoneman Douglas, which was the school the
twenty eighteen shooting were seventeen people.Yeah, and I always thought that was
very strange because when I attended highschool there, I was undergoing a great
deal of mental health interventions throughout youknow, pharmaceutical drug interferences. You know,
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there's all this kind of weird stuff. And I do think that there
was there's something going on in likeBroward County, Florida, and heard a
lot about that county. Yeah,oh yeah, it was When I tell
you, it was like the WildWest when it comes to juvenile mental health.
Like they're just like wrangling, mantoringcandidates left and right, attempting to
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you know, influence and infiltrate societyby you know, getting to the kids.
Right. So, I don't knowif I think it's gotten better since
like Trump's presidency. I think thatthe mood has shifted a great deal,
but it's hard to confirm that.But I was real bad, Like I
never went to school. I wasa bad kid, Okay, I really
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was. I was difficult to control. But you know, my parents decided
after various institutions and it wasn't working, they were like, Okay, they
found this program. It was beingmarketed as privatized. It was an academic
officially, they could call themselves aschool because they had an academic director,
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and all you really need to callyourself a school is somebody who was is
some kind of like a registered educatorand has like a certain kind of degree,
Like you need the bare minimum tobe able to legally be defined as
a school. So what WWASP did, basically work was to create this network
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of sister schools all around the countryand some internationally. All of these schools
were subject to the same everybody hadthe same It wasn't so much the same
education or like academic curriculum that wasso secondary. The school that we got,
like the the the actual academics waspretty much it was pretty basic,
(09:18):
you know American like you know,the education stuff. It really wasn't an
ideal breezed through it. But thecore of these programs were the seminars.
And the seminars came around every sixto eight weeks. They had people come
onto the campus, uh and theyhad us sort of exert so much energy
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over the course of like two tothree days where you're so tired that you
can't you can't book the programming anymore. Like they break you down, they
make you they listen, it's likeso crazy, Like I was traumatized watch
(10:05):
of this ship was like, Iwon't watch it. I can't even watch
it, Like have you seen it? I'm like, I'm not I need.
I don't blame you one bit.Yeah, you'd be reliving it,
you know. Yeah. It wastwo thousand and six. By the time
I'd gotten there, I'd been toso many other places before that that were
really bad, like really like violent, like sexual assault, like physical assault,
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like all kinds of terrible things.So by the time I gotten to
Darryington Academy at sixteen, this isgonna this is like an unpopular opinion,
but that place like they let mecome off of the anti psychic psychotics,
like they let me come off ofall of my medication because they were warmon
and they were actually that's it,like you wouldn't even think, but this
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is going and this is gonna soundcrazy. But the w WASP were actually
pretty anti establishment, anti government,and they were all about like Mormonism,
which is actually kind of anti government, right, right, So they preached
this thing where like you don't needthis stuff. All you need is our
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mind control. We can fix everything. You don't need that, you need
that, you don't need that.But they were their own sort of order.
You know, I was there fora year. The seminars were the
worst. You you ultimately have toadmit all of these traumatizing, terrible every
shitty thing that you've ever done orthat has been done to you. You
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have to you have to expose yourselflike you have to share. It's a
humiliation ritual, right, And thisreminds me of scientology in a way.
Yeah, yes, the process.Yeah, and blackmail that goes on.
Yeah, and I grew up ina Catholic school, so I relate like
we had to go to confession,like we were forced to do the same
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thing, and you know, it'sa different form of that. But yeah,
I know what you mean. It'sfucked up. It's the shame they
use. The shame frequency gets you. And it's like were you like you
got yeah exactly, that's interested.Yeah. So uh so you said you
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came from some some shittier environments too, like before this, so like this
was nothing new to you and almosta sigh of relief at first, like
compared to places you had been.Yes, because I'm saying something well and
it really is, but it drawsattention to like the state and county funded
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hospitals and like juvenile facilities, likeanywhere that the state or the county can
get their hands on the kids,it's going to be really, really bad.
They're just they lent themselves to morecorruption. There's a lot more control
with WWNSP. It's completely privatized,so you're just kind of at the mercy
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of different entities basically. But forme, there was more. There was
more violence and danger for me atBroward County facilities for me. But I
think that that also, I willadmit that that may have a lot have
had a lot to do with mybehavior. So in Darrington Academy, you
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didn't get physically assaulted unless you wereposturing like you were threatening somebody with physical
violence or you know. I meanthere has been a lot of abuse,
Like these were grown adults assaulting peopleminors, but at the same time,
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like you could avoid it, likeI avoided it, you know. But
then you know, we had boysand girls. So but when I went
in there, I was a sixteenyear old girl. I wasn't wild like
I was at like fourteen, andI kind of just like kept my head
down and did the work. Butthen we had we would have like seventeen
year old males come in. Theyweren't drugged, they weren't anything. Reality
(14:26):
would set in and they would goape shit wild, and then we would
have the big administrators come in andlike dump them on their heads, like
break collar phones and stuff like that. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. So
did they separate the guys and girlswhere you were at? Not only were
we separated, but we would endurewhat's called a Cap four Cat five consequence
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for interfacing with the co eds whatsoever. That means looking in their direction.
If there was a group of boysor a group of girls, we had
to turn our heads away. Itwas hysterical though, because there had been
several points where boys and girls gotcaught like having said, oh yeah,
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no, no, no, notjust looking, that's going to happen.
These kids were there because they werebad kids, bad kids, right,
so tell them not to do something. So these things would happen. The
entire building, the entire place wouldget shut down for like forty years.
Oh god, I never got involvedin anything like that. I just wasn't
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that person. I just I waslike, I want to get out of
here so bad and take revenge,take back. You were probably on your
best behavior, like I went outof this place as fast as possible,
you know, just like prison.Well, they'll use that hope thing.
They'll let you even because it wasall about money. It was all about
getting tuition from parents one year ortwo years. There were kids that were
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enrolled at fifteen. They didn't getout till they were eighteen years old.
There were some kids if they didn'twork the program, meaning if they were
resistant, violent, hostile, andthe parents decided that they didn't want to
reclaim that child, Darrington Academy wasable to sign the sort of the rights
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of that kid over to this facilitycalled Tranquility Bay in Jamaica, where you
don't get out till you're twenty oneyears old, and the labor laws are
different. And we knew people thatwere sent to Tranquility Bay. And there
was a suicide in Tranquility Bay whichreally opened the floodgates in retrospect that suicide,
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somebody threw themselves off the roof.The kids had to use the towels
that where there was brain matter allover the towels from the impact, and
they didn't even let the kids washthe towels. They had these goods I
know, so it's horrifying. No, I'm good with it, like we
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need to hear it, So thankyou for sharing. I had no idea
about that. That's great, that'sall. And we have had information from
public court documents that can all bethat can all be found online. Wow.
Yeah. Like watching the documentary,I was just kind of mind blown,
like these building focused on Ivory Ridgeand this buildings just abandoned now and
(17:29):
you can just walk right in thereand they just have all these fucking file
cabinets full of shit, like allthese records and files and even like security
footage, like all the evidence justlay it there for anyone to just walk
up on it. That's what theydid the documentary. And I just found
that strange how they like just leftit all behind, like with no shame
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at all, like almost like they'reinvincible to ever be prosecuted or shut down.
And that kind of stuck out tome. And just like you know
all the rules, like you touchedon a little bit of that, but
like you couldn't even talk right,like is that right. We had something
called the Hope Buddy System, andthe Hope Buddy system was this is what
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we did when we had a newintake. It doesn't matter who you are,
how old you are. You comein, you can't speak, you
don't talk to anybody. You areassigned a hope buddy, and the only
person that you can speak to isyour hope buddy for like the first five
days or so. If it tookyou more time to adapt, you would
have to stick with that hope buddy. I was a hope buddy a couple
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of times because I, you know, I had a natural sense of like
compassion, Like I was like,it's okay, It's it's going to be
all right, you know, it'syou know. But if you didn't get
a good hope buddy, if yougot someone who is like bitter, like,
it's real bad because you'd have somebodyfill in your head with like tear
(19:00):
terrible things. It's kind of like, you know, you start a new
job. I don't know if youever worked in like the restaurant industry,
but I was. I was aserver for so long, so it's like,
you know, you get stuck withthe miserable bits who's training years hated
her job for ten years. Ohyou know, so it could really,
you know, it could be reallysuper scary for new intakes. But I
(19:22):
was always a nice hope buddy.You can't speak to anybody. Your shoes,
we had these, like none ofour shoes could have backs on them
because you can't run. There hadbeen some runs attempted. A couple of
girls actually made it, and theyjumped two towns over and they were like
(19:42):
staying at some man's house for likeso they were, oh my god,
well we don't know. But theybrought the girls back to the school to
the program and they kept these girlsin these trailers for two weeks with no
(20:04):
showers and they I mean they obviouslyhad to feed them, but it was
a punishment. You know. Theywere on suicide Watch, run Watch and
all these different things. They wereso dirty. Not only did they have
to like gut the trailers because betweenthe carpeting and like everything, you can
never get the smell out. Butall these girls broke out with MRSA and
(20:27):
then Merca broke out in the restof the dorms. So like everything from
scabies, LCE, MRSA, mold. We had outbreaks of stuff every other
week. That was probably the worstfor me, Like because you don't you
can't have any products, like youget shampoo, and then you have to
(20:49):
put your hair up if you havelong hair. So like my hair started
to mold from being up wet constantly, you know what I mean. Because
they're trying to keep lice down,you know, there should keep lips away.
So it's like really discussing it washonestly more of a disgusting experience than
anything else because people kids are gross, and like nobody that were all like
(21:14):
left to our own devices, right, I mean, we had to keep
things clean, but at the sametime, like it's the place was dirty.
The place was just filthy all thetime. Yeah, and like just
like learning that like a lot ofthese people running the thing like weren't even
qualified to be doing what they weredoing even a little bit. Like honestly,
(21:36):
like one of the better parts ofit for me were the chaperones because
they were just like local people andthey were like, man, some of
them were I'm still friends with someof them. Some of them were felons.
Some of them came from the chickenfactory, some of them came from
Kmart. Like it was it wasin at the times, I would say,
(21:56):
so seven real small town Blue Ridge, Georgia. There was no nothing
else going on around There are acouple of gas stations, of kmart and
a chicken factory, so that hadall these jobs. So these people that
are supposed to monitor us these verydifficult you know children have all this like
shit going on. Like these peoplewere so easy to manipulate, Like it
(22:18):
was so easy for me to likework like work over all of these adults,
I didn't, like, it's justlike super like messes up. But
some of them are really good people. And they'd sit down and they'd be
like, between you and me,like this is messed up. You know
what I mean, I'm crazy.Yeah. Yeah. They would tell us
(22:41):
all the time, if we couldjust get you guys out of here and
and bring out to the woods andyou know, get you guys some like
real fresh air. They knew whatwas going on was super fucked up.
Pardon me, but yeah. Soyeah. The other thing that was like
mind blowing to me, which thisis what you started with, was like
(23:03):
how easy it is to consider yourselfa school. So like all these kids
like thinking they're getting diplomas like thatare worth nothing. Not that a diploba
was worth a whole lot anyways,but like to like mislead you, and
not only mislead you, but chargeyou, you know, tremendous amounts of
money for this fraudulent diploma. Islike mind blowed to be? So oh
(23:27):
yeah, like did when did peoplestart to catch on to that or like
realize like you would think like oncekids like got out of high school,
they went to go, you know, get a job or whatever out of
high school, they would nobody didthat. So when so I, a
(23:48):
lot of kids died. Almost allof the girls became teen moms within three
to five years we being the program, myself included, I became a mom
two years after I left the programat nineteen years old, and that was
(24:08):
very much the norm amongst my peersas well. We all dove headfirst into
more complicated situations like almost to nobodyhad a good time afterwards, So the
scholastic academic part really didn't matter,because it really it was as if it
(24:33):
never happened for a lot of us, Like it was just like like we
left the program messed up, Likewe're just like, well, now what
it was like being in a dreamfor a year sort of being in like
this alternate reality and now you're throwninto this strange world, and I don't
think it dawned on people honestly untilhere recently, I've noticed people haven't processed
(24:59):
what happened to that unpack my god, the theories a lot of us,
Like it brought up a lot forpeople, and so now people are sort
of remembering things that they forgot.They're like, oh, my god,
like putting all these pieces together.I'm a little bit like hesitant to kind
of blow it up because and likewe've done so good, that's far.
(25:25):
Let's not let this sort of triggerlike break us now, Like we're free.
Let's let's remind ourselves that we're free. But I definitely think that there's
there's a huge sense of validation inour little you know, survivor community right
now because they're like, wow,like we thought we thought we were crazy.
(25:45):
Because you leave and you tell peoplewhat you've just been through and they'll
look at you like what, likeyou weren't So you're saying you were in
a cult, and it's like thisactually happened. Yeah, I was in
a call. That's that's freaking weird. It's weird, right, Yeah,
(26:07):
I mean it's just mind blowing tome, Like I yeah, and I
see what you're doing, and Iunderstand like the tone you're using with it,
because you know it is a slipperyslope to like fall into this victim
consciousness. And you know, I'ma victim to my circumstances and my parents
are to blame for sending me.And you know that narrative can run the
(26:29):
rest of your life, and thatcan be debilitating, you know, and
be crucial to you know, destroyingyour mental health and never being able to
fully move on from that and liveyour life to the fullest. You know.
So I commend you for you know, not just you know, tagging
on and jumping on the bandwagon oflike I'm going to bash the hot of
(26:49):
the and just be honest about likeyour experience and like like you said,
like I was different than others,and you know, I was able to
work my manipulated to get what Imean, yeah, put my head down
and go with it. I mean, because I had gotten my ass beat
(27:11):
like in other places terrible things.And so I'm like, you know what,
I have a feeling I'm going tobe here a while. I just
knew I was in for a bodyfor a year at Elites. So I
was like Okay, Well, ifthis is what we're going to do and
you see it, you'll wake upand there'll be people missing, and they
either got pulled out or they gotsent to TB. And there was definitely
(27:36):
an ominous sense there, like ifyou sorry Tranquility Bay in Jamaica that you
know, and that usually only happenedto the males girls. Not too many
girls from Darrington got sent to TranquilityBay, but because it was reserved for
some of like the wild ones,the wild boys, that whose parents just
(27:57):
gave up essentially and they were likesorry, yeah, it's like so tragic.
A lot of suicides, a lotof people ended it, a lot
of people fell into drugs, alot of people fell into the prison system,
a lot of depth. A lotof those people that actually didn't survive.
The rest of us became teen moms, and to be completely honest,
(28:21):
most of us are only now gettingour footing. I guess wow, you
know, I mean, like Ireally have had it way better than some
of my peers, but only becauseof like I forgave my parents. I
really did you have to? Yeah, because honestly, I was like,
you know what, like you're forgivingthem for yourself so you can move forward,
(28:45):
you know, exactly. Like it'sbeen said on my show in the
past, like a good mentor ofmind wide Eagle Medicine woman, she said,
the hardest forgiving, you know,and that goes to it is,
you know, it's not not justforgiving to others, but you're forgiving for
yourself, you know, and multipleuses of what you're doing. When you're
(29:08):
forgiving, you're giving, you know, not only to yourself, but to
that person that hurts you or traumatizedyou or you know, wrecked your life.
It's like, what were they goingthrough that caused them to act out
like that or like, you know, this horrible behavior they imposed on you,
Like what the hell did they gothrough to like, you know,
(29:30):
bring that out of them and youknow, do that to someone else.
Yeah, you know, hurt people, hurt people. It's like until we
all could realize that, we're alljust going to be traumatized, like triggered,
you know, walking around just readyto react to someone versus all right,
I understand you because I know you'veprobably been through some shit. I
(29:53):
don't understand. I don't know yourpast, like, uh, to why
you get triggered by this? Orthat, and it's like we're more alike
than we are different, And that'skind of the basis of my show and
like why I started it. It'slike I see it as ascending above this
you know, divide and conquered bullshit, like we're just arguing about ideologies or
(30:15):
this or that. It's like we'reall fucking human here, Like we've all
had fucking challenges in our life toget us to this mo bit. But
I think we're all put here fora reason to like create the world we
want to live in, and youknow, just be better people and not
be a victim of our circumstances andto overcome and you know, walk the
(30:37):
walk of the hero's journey to becomethat hero in our own story and not
just like you know, let ourstory be decided based on you know,
our upbringing or this or that,or just take the path our parents set
out for us. You know,couldn't agree more. Yeah, but yeah,
(30:59):
we talked a lot about the boardingschools. So you did about a
year there and then you got togo back to a regular high school or
no, So I was done.I completed the basically, I graduated,
like I got my like ged equivalentwhile I was at Darrington, So I
(31:23):
was able to like just smoke throughall the academic stuff. So I was
able to like get an education,get an education, right, right,
whatever we want to call that.Yeah, I was seventeen when I got
out, and I was formally droppedout of high school at sixteen, so
by the time I went to theprogram, I wasn't enrolled anywhere. But
(31:47):
when I got out actually found SoI've always done martial arts, but when
I left the program, I swearwhat saved my life was jiu jitsu,
and it's something I still do today. Is something I think if some of
my peers had something an outlet likethat, trauma release, stress relief,
(32:07):
all that stuff, maybe like whatwe would have had like a higher success
rate with the survivors. But Idid, you know, because of what
I was accustomed to, a sortof toxic, toxic relationships in general.
My relationships with my parents were toxic. I immediately jumped into a toxic relationship
(32:30):
with someone who was quite a bitolder than me and then immediately started having
children. It does happen. Ihave no regrets, like I'm obviously I
have three beautiful children and they're likemy greatest gifts. And I'm like grateful
every single day that I started youngtoo, because now I just like,
(32:52):
oh okay, that's you know now, do you know what I mean?
Way, everybody's wonderful and healthy andI'm so grateful for my children. But
it did, you know, Ijust hit the ground running right out of
the program. I was like,okay, you know, I'm free.
What does a freak girl do?You know? She runs from home and
(33:19):
you know, starts, you know, play's house with some you know,
I think you were just trying tojust and cope and it's like, you
know, you were just acting theway you knew, how you know,
and doing your best well and therewas no going back. You know.
My parents sent me away and therewas still that sense of like even when
I came back, I was like, they didn't really want me back.
(33:40):
They couldn't pay for that, Theydidn't want to pay for another year at
Darrington, but they would have hadthey had the money for it. So
I just kind of like just youknow, there was there was so much
betrayal, There was so much badblood. And what's unfortunate to see is
that I still see that a lotwith with kids my age now that we're
(34:02):
all big kids, but there's stilla strain between the parents and I just
you know, and I work.I talked to a lot of them and
they're like, you know, Ijust can't let it go. And I
just try to let them know likewe're big now, like we're adults,
and if you're not forgiving them,like you really are doing it for you
(34:24):
so that you can move on andfind some inner peace going backwards. I
really I think you had such agreat point. It really does keep us
stuck in that victim mentality. Andyou know, with these schools, I
think that the issue now is thatthere's some of them are still operational,
(34:45):
and to sort of shine a lighton some of these programs that are still
active and operational right now, it'sprobably the best use of the of the
exposure as opposed to like going backin time pointing fingers at all these people.
I guarantee you they're folks that areshivering in their boots because they're like,
(35:05):
oh my god, are these teenagersgoing to rat on us and talk
part singing like canaries about all thisstuff that was going on between chaperones and
kids that shouldn't have been going on. You know, I'll never say anything.
I'll never say anything because I'm notthat kind of person. I'm okay,
I'm not going to like crack someonelike get out of here, Like
(35:29):
I don't have time for that shit. But some people do. Some people
are really really salty about it.Yeah, it's like we want revenge.
And then God whispers like they're alreadysuffered, like they're already livel with it,
you know. And it's like anotherone I like is don't let the
rea, don't don't let the wayyou were raised be the reason you fall.
(35:51):
And it's like I think that's agood model of the lip by,
you know. It's like we canwe can be a victim of our circumstances
growing up, like oh I didn'tget to do this because my parents wouldn't
let me, or I was stuckin this mindset or at this disadvantage because
of the way I was raised.But ultimately, like how long are you
(36:14):
going to play that story out?You know, till you pick up the
stick and start walking with it,you know, and you know, you
create your own path. And Ithink we're all on that journey of finding
our true selves and being more authentic, being genuine and true to you know,
what we were put here to do, and that's to live authentically,
(36:35):
you know, make the most ofit and you know, try to be
in the bob at what we canand just take it all in and you
know, enjoy our time while we'rehere. As shitty as the world looks
at times and as much crazy shit'sgoing on in the world, it's like,
we can't lose ourselves in it.That's the challenge. Sometimes this place
can be really cool though, likeyou know, and I appreciate the Oh
(37:00):
my god, like that's my that'smy life. And you know, and
it's one thing. Do you havekids? Not yet? No, Yeah,
okay someday, so you're you seemreal, You're you're you look very
young, so you have but yeah, when you you know, watching kids
grow and you realize, oh mygod, it's like that, like oh
(37:21):
my god, like they're they're likethis, and then they're like this,
and just you know, being inthose moments with them and sort of retroactively,
retrospectively thinking of everything I had Iwent through. I'll tell you,
as a mom, I'll never allowlike I would never send my kids anywhere
(37:42):
like I'm weird about sleepovers. I'mlike forget, just like sending my kids
off, shipping them off somewhere.So it has a wonderful thing that has
come out of this for me isthis natural sense of hyper vigilance when it
comes to my own kids. Iknow when something's wrong before anybody says anything.
I'm like going on with child numbertwo, you know what I mean,
(38:06):
like a disturbance in the forest.Oh yeah, and I think I
do think it had something to dowith like not having that, not having
gotten that at all from my parents. So I'm like I would do anything
to reverse that and sort of fistakeyeah yeah, and then that generationally,
(38:30):
like the buck stops there, likeyes, we don't do that anymore.
We don't. We don't then neglect, we don't negate this mess gas light
no no, no, no,no, like this is I love it?
Yeah No, it's all about that, Like, uh, you know,
that's why we chose our parents tolearn the lessons we needed to and
(38:52):
to learn from their example good andbad. You know, it's not all
bad, and it's like we canlook at the bad be that's all we
need to focus on. Like sooneror later you got to see the good
too, like the qualities of youthat would be there without your parents.
It's like, oh, I seewhy that served a good purpose, you
know, just you know, takingthe time to analyze yourself and sit with
(39:15):
all of it. You know,it comes in waves throughout our lives.
But I think it's important to recognizeand to integrate that stuff into our adulthood.
You know, as we look backon like the shit we went through,
and it's like here we are tosib war situation with our kids.
It's like to take this route thistime, not do what was done to
(39:37):
me. Yeah, and that rightthere, it makes the whole thing.
It just brings a whole faith fullcircle totally. But yeah, we're we've
been going about fifty minutes here.I guess I'd like to hit on what
you find a lot of value intoday and what you're up to now.
So like growing up where you raiseraised in like a religious home or uh
(40:02):
like taught Tarot was like evil andall this. How did you find Taro?
You know? So my relationship Tara, Taro found me when I was
about twenty four years old. Okay, it found me. I was not
raised religious. I would say Iwas raised very spiritual. My parents in
(40:25):
the nineties were listening to a lotof channeled material trying on you know,
stuff like that, and I wasn'ttuned into it consciously, but I was
definitely picking up back chatter and itdefinitely like influenced me. So I had
that sort of like esoteric metaphysical undercurrentfrom day one. Like, and I
(40:49):
was born in eighty nine, soI'm of the Indigo wave. I really
do believe that. Okay, soyou were my brothers. My brother's a
eighty nine baby, that's what.Yeah, And so kind of always like
there's just like always been this likeemanation of some kind of like like esoteric.
Dare I say a cult because Iam fascinated with the occult, which
(41:13):
is a reason why I study taroand why it's just very compatible language with
me. But I have a Patreon. It's Jenny Moonstone is my Patreon.
I do weekly readings for my subscribersso they can like ask personal questions or
(41:34):
questions about the collective. Like peopleare really wanted to know about the election,
the precious metals markets, cryptocurrency andstuff like that. So I stay
busy with my cards and my deminicationasking big questions. Do you have a
favorite deck? I do. Myfavorite deck is the Folth Deck. It's
(41:57):
the first deck that I ever got, and it found me. Wow.
I've heard a lot about that deck, so maybe it's another reminder I need
to get that one. You know. I'm going to tell you it's completely
in a league of its own.There is no other Tarot deck on Earth
like it. I get crap,like I get flack for it because it
(42:19):
was designed in part by Alistair Crowley, who had this sort of terrible stigma
around him. I wouldn't want tobe alone in a room with the guy,
I'll tell you that right now.But in terms of his understanding of
occult science, he you know,his what he managed to uncover and reveal
(42:40):
to us about it is like,yeah, I agree with you. And
for many years I was the sameway, Like I feared Crowley and even
like Manly Pall I was resistant tofor a long time because he was a
thirty third degree Mason. And it'slike, I think people have to get
beyond their comfort zones and like,you know, do their own research,
(43:04):
like look into the people themselves,read their materials, and come to your
own conclusions. It's like it's notgoing to bite you, like, you
know, if you are afraid ofsomething, that will happen. But if
for me, it's all in thename of study and education. That is
how some people will call that ajustification for like studying things that they think
(43:28):
I shouldn't be studying. I don'tcare. I don't care, you know
what I mean, I don't carewhat I We are here to learn and
you need something, study something andnot suddenly identify with It's like I'm this,
No, I just read something.Literally, it's harmless. It's harmless.
(43:50):
But this is why they burn books, is why they said sensor the
internet. This is why there issuch a campaign of silence and silence.
So but yeah, the Foth Deckis just superb and it's an entire universe
in and of itself and I highlyrecommend it. Oh yeah, well it
was great talking to you. Yeah, no, I I I've I've learned
(44:17):
a lot about Crowley in the lastcouple of years, like watching documentaries on
him and you know, reading hisbooks. I read the Book of the
Law last year and like just youknow, understanding the material he laid down
and like you know, Yeah,he's a controversial figure, and I feel
you, like he's an imposing figure. I probably wouldn't want to be in
(44:37):
the same room with them either,Like he was wild, like he was
a wild guy. Yeah. Ithink he's also like massively misunderstood and like,
you know, he embraced all thatalmost like satanic panic and like,
uh yeah, he was like Iam the anti Christ because like they put
(44:58):
that onto him and he just likeran with it. You know. It
was almost like it kind of remindsme of like the Trump phenomena, Like
Trump embraces all publicity. Like Trumpis a lot like a magician like Crowley,
was he truly? Is he truly? Is right? Yeah, I
agree with that. But yeah,I guess we got about five minutes left
(45:21):
here. What gives you hope forthe future and what's your outlook on twenty
twenty four based on what you pickedup on recent readings or outreadings or aligning
lining up. I know every dayis different, but hearing a lot about
twenty twenty four. What's your take. So twenty twenty four is the year
(45:43):
of the Dragon, Yes, andthe dragon is the only mythical creature in
the Chinese Zodiac, and I thinkthat that is really a testament to what
we can expect the consciousness are collectiveto undergo when it comes to like our
understanding of the world that we livein. And I believe that we share
(46:05):
this world with other beings, otherintelligences, and so in terms of like,
you know, the conversations and alsothings that we're quite literally witnessing and
experiencing in the natural world and allaround us. A huge increase in paranormal
(46:27):
activity, huge increases in sightings ofall kinds cryptids, spirits, zombies,
vampires, aliens, anything, everythingyou name it there because what's happening is
the dimensional barriers are they're dissolving.Is there's a construct, there's been some
kind of a construct, like asynthetic construct. It's partially synthetic that was
(46:51):
constructed that keeps us compartmentalized and attunedto this reality. This is why when
you encounter did or ghost or apparition, you'll see it out of your peripheral
vision because it's just outside of yourperception. When you turn to face it
directly at this head on angle,you can't see it anymore. And so
(47:12):
and that's because of the human eyesightwas tampered with again, a partially synthetic
construct that was put we were tamperedlike a long time ago and this year
in particular, and moving forward,I believe that those barriers, those frequency
barriers, are It's not that they'regoing to go away because there are rules.
We can't all just mesh together.The boundaries are dissolving. It's getting
(47:37):
weird, y'all. It's getting weird. And definitely, like in the Year
of the Dragon, we're expecting theunexpected. We aren't have to face these
unfortunate sort of what's it called outburstsfrom a group of people, beings that
(47:59):
are so very afraid to lose control. They're losing control and so you know,
when an animal is cornered, they'revery dangerous. And so I do
feel unfortunate increase and things like youknow, domestic terrorism, domestic violence,
I'm sorry, not domestic violence.Domestic terrorism basically, I mean, domestic
violence is certainly shitty, and it'sbut the idea of like you know,
(48:22):
the immigration crisis. You know,we have to worry about cyber attacks,
we have to worry about all kindsof you know, sleeper cells and things
like that. So the listeners toworry about is certainly not short. But
the idea in a Year of theDragon, it is all about metamorphosis and
expecting the unexpected, and so I'mhere for it. I love it.
(48:43):
Yeah, it's one big giant adventureand riding the ride, taking the ticket.
Well, it's been a pleasure speakingwith the Johnny. I really enjoyed
this one. And yeah, ifyou just want to let the listeners know
where they can find you, Ithink you said you had a Patreon anywhere
else you like, send them goahead and plug it. Sure, So
if you were interested in getting areading, you're gonna want to go to
(49:05):
my website, which is Jenny Constantinedot com. And if you just want
to check out like what I'm puttingout there, just check me out on
Jenny Constantine on YouTube. So Ihave a channel. I have a few
interviews with Cliff High. I'm suresome of your people know who he is,
so those are some of my favoriteinterviews. But yeah, thanks so
(49:28):
much for having me this. Thiswas a lot of fun. Yeah,
I enjoyed this. Thank you allfor listening out there. I send you
all peace and love. I hopeyou gained something from this conversation, and
I hope you have a beautiful restof the week. Peace,
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