#192 - Befriending Bigfoot w/ Scott & Sheila Granger & Brandon Thomas - Ascension of the Chessmen

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Welcome to Ascension of the Chessmen,diving into the esoteric o'cult, spiritual and
conspiratorial aspects of life, focused onsolutions to the problems we face in our
everyday lives. Let us ascend aboveall differences. Let us be the light
in darkness, a breath of freshair to those who can hardly breathe,

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and together awaken into greatness. Thisis Ascension of the Chessmen with your host
Andre Mitti. Ready, Edi,Welcome to the Ascension of the Chessman podcast.
I'm your host, Andre Mittie.Today's episode is going to be an
extra special one about the upcoming BefriendingBigfoot event in Georgia. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Hobbinson Fairies give a warm welcome toScott and Sheila Granger and returning guests
Brandon Thomas. How are you guysdoing? That's up? We're great about
you doing great. Happy to haveyou guys here and look forward to talking
about this event. So bummed Ican't make it out there for anyone listening.

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I think you're going to enjoy thisone, and I hope you can
make it down there if you're inthe area or you feel called to go.
Definitely do it. This is youryour sign to go. So let's
get into this. Where do webegin, guys? How about to start
with a little bit about you,guys, Scott and Sheila, Just how

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you got into Bigfoot and what whatprompted it? Like, what was the
inspiration that originally sparked the curiosity.Well, we got into it a pretty
good while back. Yeah, andoriginally the way we got into she drugged
me into it. I hear it. How was that guy you know,

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hunting and fished and swamp and theriver bottoms all my life? And yeah,
I was. I was. Anduh, I was the first one
to tell you, man, ifthere was anything like that out there,
I'd already saw it by now,as much as I stayed in these woods.
And uh, A little did Iknow at the time. But during
that time I actually was hearing andseeing stuff and just didn't realize until we

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started doing this, and uh,Shela got really interested into it. He
had never watched The Legend of BoggyCreek. That was the first thing I
had him watch. I was soexcited about it. And that's pretty much
you know what sparked it for me. Just that movie and then I had
him watch it. Then you know, we're like, what if? What
if? You know, then whenwe moved up here and we got dabbling

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in it a little bit and wenton our first expedition and had no success,
there started real quick, real quick. Did when did that movie come
out? I'm not familiar. Nineteenseventy six? I believe two. Okay,
I'm gonna have to check that out. That's something. Just because it's
an older movie. I love it. I like a movie. And you

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know, and as long as we'vebeen doing this, we think we found
out over time, you know,that particular movie has sparked a whole lot
of folks was interested in the phenomenaof Bigfoot. I can believe it.
Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. So, uh, when was your
first excursion or what was your firstexperience, Sheila? Was it as a

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kid or just through that movie,like you said, just in that movie
when I was when I was younger, you know, I remember watching it.
I love scary movies. Talking aboutChildren of a corn earlier, any
old scare movie. I'm all abouthim not so much. But you know,
and I thought, well it couldbe real. And then, like
I say, we were from SouthGeorgia. So we moved up here,

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probably littleve or seven years ago,and I seen something that we won the
organization where they were having a bigfed expedition and I had to beg and
beg and beg and please, let'sgo do this, let's go do this,
and he was like, no,it's just you know, it's again
and blah blah blah. So Ididn't I did not realize that at the

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time. He was still in SouthGeorgia trying to sell the house there,
and I was sitting at a cabinwe leased on the river here in the
middle of nowhere, nowhere, andI was having stuff happen, and I
didn't realize it until that expedition,you know. I was by myself out
there. I remember talking to him. I was sitting on the front porch
and I was hearing sounds and Iasked him, I said, what kind
of bird makes a whoop sound?I've never heard of a bird make a

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whoop sound. He's like, Ithought I was crazy, you know,
but I was hearing it. Shecalled me and was telling me that that
night, and I was like,no, there isn't any bird that makes
that type sound. You're trying todescribe to me at night right much less
than any time, but not especiallynot at night. And so I finally
get back up there and it startsit and she says, that's the sound

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I've been here, and I said, well, I ast year can't tell
exactly what that is at that point, and when he can't tell me because
he's you know, knows everything aboutthe woods. So I thought it was
weird because it would be right outsidethe cabin, like I said, I'd
be the only one there. Andthen we went on that expedition and we
went a day early, and sowe wound up going out with a couple

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of people there. And let metell you something, if if I had
not been there and heard the stuffI heard from myself and somebody told me
what we heard, I've been like, you're crazy, right that that don't
happen. That's what most people thinkaway typical scope. And I was I
was like, I said, youknow, I was that guy. And

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uh we that we went on thatfirst little expedition and we got the opportunity
to go out a night early witha couple of individuals and uh, there
were five of us on that littleventure going up through a real desolate area.
Something runs across the road in frontof us, and Sheila had us
and said, hey, something justrun across that road. So we stopped

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the truck and heard. Our friendgets out and they walk up to where
it was at where it went acrossthe road at, and they're looking around.
I'm standing right in front of mytruck at the time, I had
a dodge ram. Anybody knows aboutthose. Those headlights on those things shine
to the side phenomenally. Yeah,we're standing there and something about fifteen yards

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or less right beside us whoops,that same whoop sound that was happening at
the cabin, and I snatched myhead around looking. I'm looking and looking
and can't see a thing. Andwe get on up there with with Sheila
and our other friend. And hewas telling us, because he was big
into the big foot phenomenal thing foryears and years, he said, you

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know, these things are real excellentmimicaers. They'll mimic a lot of stuff.
She picks up up the rocks andhe starts clacking them. Well,
blower and behold right down by thecreek, probably not thirty forty yards from
us. Something's clacking rocks back athim, mimicking the clack, and he's
doing wow, and we're all sittingthere in amazement. Now there's five of

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us up there to hear all this. That's what she was saying. If
someone had told this story, Ilooked at him right straight, straight in
the face and just shook my head. I would have thought they were pulling
my leg or something, because Idon't see it, you know, for
my own self. I'm not gonnasay it's true. But it continued like
that the rest of the night.I mean, we're having little things happening.

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I remember we got back to ourlittle campsite and I hadn't been camping
in forever and a day then,and we got back to our campsite and
crawled into the tent for the night. It was, oh my gosh,
it was dark, dark, dark, And then you could hear you can
hear something walking, you know,across the little ravine there and through the
water, coming up to our tent. And I'm like, Scott, Scott,

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Scott, he said, I hearit, and it We had made
bacon earlier that evening. We're andit came up to our picnic table,
and I'm about to freak out.You know, it come towards our tent
and I heard it go like abig girl. I don't know if it
was exactly it was aggravated. Wewere there because we heard it or whatever.

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Let me tell you them. Ifthat thing had touched that tent,
I would have took off running,tent and all at that time because I
had never heard anything before. Whenit made us good ural huff, it
was way more, way more thana bear coun do. And we've got
some good sized black bear up here, but it was way more than a
bear can do. Right, Anduh, when she's telling me, tell

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me, are you hearing it?I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm
hearing this. And it walks onthe off walks back through the creek,
and you know, you always hearall these people. Now they's talking about
what it was by a pedal?Okay, but you know, and I

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always ask people questions. I say, we know, how did you determine
it was by a pedal or orif it was something on all four feet?
And most folks can answer that questionvery well. And they said,
well, how do you tell?And it's really simple, really and truthfully,

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a four legged animal, you actuallyhear cadence three steps. Everyone has
an assumption. You hear four steps, you don't you hear three? Two
feet are on the ground, Okay, And that's why I like to ask
people and I like to be lookingthem in the face when everything you know,
respond to these kind of type questions. Right, But it was definitely

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what walked off from us was definitelybipedal, and it really had my answers
then that our first expert a rexcursion deals far as our interest in that,
that was the beginning of the rabbithole. And from that point on
we have we have went after whatever, you know, try to fin answers.

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But it seemed like all we haveis more questions. I mean,
we've had some excitement, and wealways said this you the only thing we're
going to concentrate on this route.We're just gonna look for a big fit.
We ain't gonna do in this dogman stuff, ufo stuff and a
little let me tell you something rightnow, you can forget all that because
if you into one, you mightas well go ahead and be all because
I will run together. Right.Yeah, I think it's just unexplained phenomena.

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I think we can, like say, is like the overarching thing we're
talking about here, like tend tolike deny something that you've never experienced.
I think is just pure ignorance becauseI think I'll just look at the ocean,
like how much shit is down therethat we we haven't even discovered yet,

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you know, and it's like letalone on the surface of the earth,
you know. You know. Andpeople that well, your skeptics and
folks like that that close us out, they're actually very closed minded people.
They're not open minded people totally.And they got that tunnel vision that our

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little lifestyle here is all there is. Well it's like they see us as
the end all be all. Youknow, we were created and this is
you know ABCD, this is itin the end, you know, when
we die, that's it. Butit's not. I mean, yeah,
I was a cop for over twentyyears and been a hospice nurse for for

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six years now. I mean I'mtelling you you see stuff that if you
want, if you choose to beclosed minded, yeah you but I've seen
stuff like I can't explain it evenbesides peig, but yeah, it changes
everything. Like if you have theexperience, like you're totally going to change
your preconceived notions about it and removeyour cognitive dissonance because you know you have

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the experience. There's no denying yourown experience. I mean, other people
can deny it, but you experiencedit yourself. So people could tell you
all day like what you've seen wasyou were on drugs or this or that
that caused it imagination. They can'ttake that away from you. You experienced
it. I've always you know,if they don't want to believe it,

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because I mean I get like you'recrazy, or they laugh and you know,
I know that little laugh, butI always tell them, you know,
come go with me, is allI can tell you. Come go
with me and experience or either havedeniabilities. All I can tell you totally,
so real quick, Like I'll letBrandon pipe in, like what was

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the inspiration for this event, becauseI'm super excited to learn more about it,
you know, laying the foundation withScott and Shila's backstory and how they
got involved. But how did youguys meet and how did this all come
together? Let's go with that fornow. Man. The thing has been
Thank you, first of all,Andre for having us, Scott and Schilla,
thank you so much for joining ushere. This is amazing. And

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they were actually our last presenters tofall into place. We had a few
that were ready to go, andthen there was just sort of a couple
open spots, a couple of folksthat we had planned that didn't work out.
You know how it goes divine timing, everything works when it should all
that, and they popped into placeand then everything just settled in. I
was like, oh my god,this is perfect. It's like everything was
waiting for them. You know,there were a couple of placeholders for when
we met, and I honestly wemet through lester Rant's Wow his wife.

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Yeah, right, okay, that'swhat I thought. I just wanted to
make sure, thank you, Sheila. And she has sent me a picture
of a card of their squatch fishingthat they do out there, and I'll
let them tell you all about that, because they're phenomenal at what they do,
and they just happen to be,of course, right right in the
neighborhood of where we're doing this thingin Blairsville, Georgia, So right in
that area, which is a verysmall area in northern Georgia, and in

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fact, and we'll go over someof the events stuff here, cause I've
got a lot to share. Youcan actually check this out ahead of this
if you're listening while we're doing thisat Expanding Reality Podcast dot Com slash events.
But if you just want to goto the dot com part of it,
then it'll get you there eventually.But all of the stuff is up,
all tickets are available, it's brokendown into many different things. We've
made it as available but as awesomeas we can. So just know that

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there's no fat to be trimmed offof this thing. It is badass.
And so we have actually a varietyof present presenters that are going to be
doing blocks each night and those willbe live streams. So we're going to
do that. We haven't decided ifYouTube feels that we're welcome there or not.
So we just got another strike fora video that we posted like six

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months ago anyway, So but we'llsee where we're going to be live streaming
that. And we will be doingthat though, because we have these two
hour live blocks that we'll be doingfor the presentations each evening. But during
the day we're hiking, we're outside, we're going to spot that I'm going
to let them tell you about here, and then in the evening time,
like I said, we have thisamazing twenty six acre ranch that again we're

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going to go over. I've gottons of pictures i'll show, and we
have the full run of also anational force that butts right up against it.
So our very first night, firstpresenter straight out the Gate is that's
a second presenter straight out the Gate, Scott and Chila here, and so
we're going to take their stories ofthe area, Trey Hudson's knowledge of the
meadow which is right down the road. They're actually great friends as well,
and I didn't know that when weall connected, and Trey and I met

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on episode sixteen three years ago inthe very beginning of the show. You
know, just put out two seventyone for context, right for whenever y'all
listen for this. So yes,we've got just an amazing array of things
going on here. But the wholething has been just so many synchronicities that
I know, honestly your audience wouldsuper appreciate the way the whole thing came

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about. So I'll answer that partof it, and then I'll let you
pick it apart. I don't wantto go you know me speaking paragraphs,
dude, Okay, So all right, So with this, I had an
episode with a gun named Less Durant, and he lives in Mineral Bluff,
Georgia, which is just right upand this is all sort of in the
same thirty minute distance from each otherarea Blue Ridge, Blairsville, Minoral Bluff,

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Right, he is touted as andthat area is how to just have
it just the darkest guys, right, And so he captures some amazing things
over his property mid day broad daylightstuff in high frames per second, and
so he's able to slow it downand there's like a plane going across and
then whoop, woo woo whoop,something goes across as well, and you're
like, wait a minute, andthe plane didn't move an inch, like
it's wild and he'll catch these wildthings at night, these amazing lights.

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So he was on the show.We had an incredible episode, right,
He shared screen and everything like that, and so he got to share some
videos and pictures that he had.Got reached out a couple of weeks after
that by somebody named Kristin Bolt,and she reached out and said, hey,
my fiance and I he's a pilothe actually wants to get Assessa plane
and go down there and fly aroundthat area and take you up on the

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if anybody wants to come out andhang out with me un less and check
out this on the porch, youknow kind of these things you say,
right, I mean, and Iwould love to go out there, right,
somebody said I'll take you up onit. A call, right,
and so I was like, okay. It turned into a meeting with this
woman who's now my events coordinator forExpaining Reality Excursions. It's a whole damn
thing now and it's incredible. Andso that actually scaled up to this.
And we've been planning this since I'man say, probably January December of last

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year, so it's kind of cometogether pretty quickly, but all of the
synchronicities have just bolstered the confidence withthis. It's just been amazing, especially
with Funny Scott and Sheila. Soit's it's been incredible. So up to
that point, do you have anythingyou want to ask or really quick?
Brother, I just wanted to say, I'm so proud of you man,
and like for putting all this togetherand the synchronicities that led up to it,

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and how it all came together,man Like, you're so deserving of
this, and I'm so happy forthe future and all that you're going to
bring to the collective here and youknow all that you're offering, man like,
it's a beautiful thing to see itcome to reality and the expanding of
reality and real time. Come on, thank you dude, thanks for saying
that, and I really appreciate itand it is it's such a cool thing.

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Oh, thank you. Well,yeah, please back to Bigfoot.
So this event looks freaking awesome.I'm still so bummed I'm going to miss
out. But what what do youguys expecting to share and your presentation?
And I guess just a few questionsoff the top of my head, Like

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I'm I'm still like early to Bigfoot, Like you know, I've been curious
about it over the years, buthaven't like dove deep specifically into Bigfoot.
But like you know, I heartalk about bigfoots inter dimensional or it's a
shape shifter, like it can justdisappear on a whim. Are you guys
into that side of it? Orlike how does it hide out? Like

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because you hear the noises, butlike is it rare that you actually see
a bigfoot, like just I'm sureyou get these questions a lot, but
I guess we'll start there. Wedo, and some of the questions,
like you just ask, you know, they're they're kind of easily explained.
Yeah. Here, I'm dressed akind of a broad green shirt, orange

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hat and pants. Right now,we're right here in the middle of the
National Forest where we live at Anduh, if you would give me five
minutes and I'll tell you where I'mgonna go and I won't deviate from it.
Up on this ridge over here,give me five minutes head start,

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and you can walk that ridge allyou want, and I'm going to be
there, but you'll never see me, right because I'll see you before me,
right, So you know this area, I'm gonna pop in this area.
Being not from there, I flewin did a scout trip. We
were there for two days. Itwas incredible all over the place. And
dude, you look anywhere you lookin any direction, You're like, I
could see how something would just takeone step and vanish, like be absolutely

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gone. The terrain is so unbelievablyamazing. It's it's awesome. Scott's absolutely
right. Yeah, you know andit's not just and I'm a man,
you know, these creatures and Icall them critters, right, you know,
I'll refer back to that, soyou know what I'm from. But
these creatures make they're living in thesewoods every day, you know, and
they are masters of their environment.That's that's their backyard. And they know

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they know every tree, every rockand everything on the ridge they live on.
So you know, for me tobe able to do that or and
it's not just me, anyone cando it, they can evade someone,
and uh, but for these thingsto do it, you know, it's
very simple. And they're coloring.They're coloring. You know. They range

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in the color spectrums from you know, from white all the way to black,
with reds and browns, cinnamon colorsin between. You know, they're
better at camouflags than man in agilly shop. They've had longer to learn,
right Blendon, you know, andit's one of one of my real

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good friends. He recently passed awayand we loved his death, Bob Wilson.
He's a real good friend of Trey's. Also. He Bob had a
theory that there were two different typesof these creatures. We had one that
was flesh blood and one that wasa he liked to call them a hybrid.

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Okay, that could entered more type. Right, And from the things
we've seen, we've experienced and witnessed, I kind of like lean to Bob's
theory a little bit on that there'ssomething there. There's something besides just flesh
and blood. I mean there we'vewe've seen and heard and been out there
too much. Where like fall onthe track line, you might see one

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or two steps and then they justdisappear. Well, where the hell they
go? They got to go somewherethere him. But in our presentation there's
there's a will be a photo partof the presentation. She was actually up
in Wyoming. She was doing sometravel nursing work at the time, and
against her being told to and actuallyher better judgment also probably she found a

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structure up there that was amazing.She gets up there by herself in this
area and she has u see atrack line. She follows the track line
until it disappears in the middle ofthe woods, I mean snow in the
snow. It was awesome. Imean these tracks are like eighteen inches,
you know, with like a fourfoot stride. I mean straight ahead.

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Yeah, but you know you automaticallystart looking up in the trees. But
I mean there was no sounds otherthan the wind blow, and there was
snow where the tracks. There wasnothing. You know, you know something's
there, but I can't. Ican't see it. It's not making any
more noise. Did it hit atree? Did it? Did it jump
the trees and run? I don'tunderstand. But we've seen that like that

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before. I think Bob and I, Bob and I would have had a
good time because I've got a theoryon this as well. And it's so
I'm just smiling when you guys saythis. I called the pandasuit. And
what I think about this is thattheir interdimensional that come here and they come
in the physical. Now, maybewe are the same way. We just
are at a different level of it. Right, We're just here for a

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longer time and our physical body ishousing this spirit or this entity that a
lot of people say that this isjust our vehicle. Well, maybe there's
a variety of vehicles, and maybethere are vehicles in which you can pop
it in out of, or maybethere are entities that can pop it in
out and need a vehicle that theycan just conjure it will sort of like
we were made from klay, sortof a thing of and of this earth,
but a very temporary thing that thenjust returns in the same manner in

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which it was created. And maybea sorcery, but maybe in a natural
science, you know. So ifyou look at it this way, then
I say panda suits because if youthink about the zoo keepers in China,
right, they wear a panda suitwhenever they go into the panda enclosure so
that they blend in and they don'tstartle the pandas. Now, why I
think this is funny, and Ithink it was Alexander that I was talking
to about this is I feel thatwhatever that is just didn't get the memo

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that not everybody sees Bigfoot. Itcomes in as a hominid that once was
here, and maybe this is whatentities it look like human beings do as
well. They're like, yeah,yeah, we know humans of inner for
a while, we think they're probablyaround. Now we're going to hop in
now, well again, maybe there'ssomething, some other type of entity passing
through this dimension that goes shit,I need a suit. I forgot my
black tot formal affair and then ithonjures a Bigfoot suit, thinking, oh

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man, I got this covered.They're all over the place, but it
gets the timing wrong, right,maybe they were here all over the place,
but not now right, so itjumps into the wrong time in the
wrong suit. That's kind of thegoofy, a goofy way that I look
at it, which again means thatBigfoot was something that's actually here, which
means it could still be around,like these hominids that have either gone onder
ground or whatever are just hidden.But then also it could yes, and

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be an interdimensional thing posing as Bigfootjust because it's a way to get around,
you know, I don't know,right. I think we get into
like light spectrum and like the limitedvisibility we have and just our human eyes
like versus what other types of animalscan see, and it opens up a
lot that we can't see, andit's like because it's slip into that at

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all. But I was also goingto ask real quick, like what about
like the Missing four one one documentaries, like does that all tie in or
is that something? Okay? Itdoes, Okay, I believe it does
that. Love those movies right,those are there they're great documentaries, they're
great shows. David David Plaus youknow, great researcher, and it makes

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you, it makes you wonder,it really does. You know, when
he points out parts of UH wherethe clusters of missing people are and all
that and those things, and ittakes a lot for it for it to
make him to report it. Butwhen he points out the clusters of all
that and you get to looking atit real closely, it's amazing where they're
at. It's in national parks andnational forest and there's supposedly no record of

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all this. Yeah. Well,then the question is is do they set
up national parks to protect these areasfrom people or they set it up as
a way that would of course enticepeople to come out there, but in
small numbers it's not inhabited. Inhabited, let's say, but when they go
out there, they sort of arefeeding these things as well. I think
they're about how he traded humans forextraterrestrial technology, allegedly. Philip Corso talks

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about this anyway. I think it'sinteresting but also terrifying as shit. They're
like, well, they're going tobe here, so we may as well
just fence it. Off and thenmake people pay to go camp there and
then if they die, they die. There's wolves and shit, right,
I can't. It happens. Thingshappen. Things happened. Back to your
question earlier too, that's uh,there's a lot of folks that lean toward

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the net one. Oh yeah,aspect of this, right, you know
phenomena, and you can't you can'tdiscredit anything because you know, there's no
experts forced they experts in this field, right, I mean, there's a
lot of folks that has vast andgreat knowledge and start areas. But as

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far as for one person to knoweverything about it, no, there's there's
not one of those kind of peopleout there. If you know, there's
one, but he and he justtalking to us and telling us all about
if you think you got to figureit out. That's when things change,
because one day I'll say, Okay, they're definitely nephlin, and the next
time I'm thinking, no, it'sgot to be I don't know, maybe
they're aliens. I don't know.It changes all the time. Yeah,

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it's said consistently, inconsistent. That'sthe only thing he can pin down from
the phenomenon. I agree one hundredpercent, it's consistently inconsistent, and I
feel deliberately so, yeah, rightit is. And you know, like
in certain areas like our area here, they have a lot of characteristics from
one mountain to the other, rightin this area. Yeah, it's it's

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pretty unique. We we utilize severaldifferent areas that we do our stuff home,
and uh, we go to theone that's the most active of the
time. So it's We've had areal good amount of success of folks getting
see them through thermals, actual visualsighting audio. The audio is phenomenal up

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here, right. Yeah, andSheila actually both had our very first sliding
on the same ridge. Wow.And she had told me before, she
says, I'm never gonna commit tothis and one percent until I see one,
I'm gonna have to see it.I don't care what I hear.
I'm gonna have to lay eyes onmyself before I'll say there is such thing

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as a big But you know,and I did. That took me three
days of trying to convince myself thatit couldn't have been rial. That was
I'll tell you one of the funniestdays too. It was y'all know what
tickle me Elmo is right, Yeah, that's that vibrates and Gyret the day
she got to see that one rightthere, she was my full grown tickle
me. Elmos was just it wasgreat up until then. To you see

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it for yourself, you always,even if you hear audio, you have
some deniability. You could say,oh, you know, I'm playing with
this, this is fun and everything, but that could have been this that
can too. You lay eyes onit, and you know because there's nothing
in your brain that you can likenit to, you know, because you've
never seen anything like that before.So it's not a bear. I kept
telling him it had to be abear. That had to be a bear,

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ain't And I know it wasn't abear because a bear don't stand behind
trees. And this shoulder a stillon that side and look at me,
you know, and I knew itwasn't a bear. You maybe didn't have
the same experience, but could youfeel the same feelings at a younger time
in your life, maybe when youwere a child. And that's what this
was reminding me of. When you'retelling about her reaction, Scott, and
when you're talking about a Chile,it reminds me of this like inner child

(29:41):
than you that just lit up likemagic in the world. You know,
I've had experience when I was achild, and I've told him about it.
I hadn't told a lot of people. I've probably told three or four
people about it because I thought itwas just I thought it was the devil.
I literally thought it was the devil. Go on, you know,
I'm curious, might be because there'sa little more than three people. We

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just want to be honest with youhere. Well, I just remember when
I was a little girl, youknow, and you know, Mama made
me go to bed because I hadto get up and go to school in
the morning, and she stayed upand watched television. My daddy was a
truck driver, so we was athome and I remember laying in the bed.
You know, I wasn't happy aboutgoing to bed. I was probably
about six or seven years old,but I remember distinctly, even remember the
bedroom and everything you have that yourcurtains always had that gap. You can't

(30:26):
ever get them to close. Yes, yes, before the ages of wines
and all that, they said thecurtain was open, and I looked over
towards you where it was, andthere was something standing there and I remember
seeing red eyes and I mean itwas not a pretty face. And what
I likened it dorough was is adevil. I screamed, you know,
like something was attacking me or whatever. I remember coming out of the bed

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and I got my foot caught inthe blanket, fell on the floor and
go screaming to mom. And there'ssomething outside of the window. And I
remember, you know, my grandmy grandpa and grandma lived next door.
So we tore out the front doorand run over there to their house,
and my grandpa went around to theside because it's two big double windows.
I mean you could stand there andlook in. But he didn't find anything.

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And you know that has stuck withme all these years. And I
told that this guy. Do youthink standing outside that bedroom went a lot
of years? I don't know.I do believe this. I do believe
once once you have my personal opinion, once you have if you have a

(31:27):
siding with big fit or whatever,I think you'll have more. There's never
just after that is. I don'tknow what it is. I don't know
if they were as they know alsothat you know, it's almost like a
nod, you know, from thephenomena like winking at you every now and
then, and if it doesn't getout of hand and you can sort of
stay sovereign with it, it's abeautiful thing. I've heard, right,

(31:48):
m I'm scary. Sometimes it can'tbe a little it can be a little
unervouing some unnerving activities happening with us, you know, doing that. Yeah,
I thought on that, but we'llstay on the light side today.
But I have my own thoughts onthat. But I'm curious. Have you
guys set up like a trade tradingpost with them where you have like a
little cedar log that you got toswap out. I never want to be

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close to the house because we don'thave to be in close to us.
We can literally have it just acamp around here. People want to see
big fit because we have so muchstuff happened in our house after we bought
it. We had no clue.It got crazy. Yeah, we bought
this place and love the area,love the house, love the area because

(32:30):
we're centrally located to a lot ofstuff here. And I had no idea
that what was around this place whenwe bought it. Found out shortly afterwards
that that everything started happening in ourhouse gets slapped, gets slapped our meter
box, of all things that theylove, that meter box. They'll come

(32:50):
up there and slap it. Anduh, I've told Brandon this before,
but we've got floodlights on all fourcorners of the house. On the backside
of the house. To get tothe floodlights down by our bedroom, I
have to use the twelve foot aframe ladder to get up there to change
those lights. The light's blue.So I get my ladder out, got

(33:14):
me two new, brand new lightsto go put in there. Truck up
that ladder and I grab hold ofthat one light and it's loose. So
it took four quarter turns, onetotal revolution to tipen that light back up.
So I tied that back up.I reached over to get the other.
I'm gonna change it. It wasthe same way, same amount,
four quarter turns. Once I tienthat light back up, I said,

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I wonder, So I jump offthe ladder, you know, and I
run back in there, flip switch, blow them hole. They come on.
And I'm kind of giggling on myselfa little bit at the time because
this house doesn't vibrate, you know, there's no way those lights shook that
much loose. So I go straightand get some uh what do you call
those motion indicator lights and change themout on the back side of the house.

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Well that stopped the house slapping fora little while, until that marked
the path how close they could comeup to the lights before they turn on.
Crazy they know, Tell them howthey knew. Please. We've got
a path that leads down down ahill about about one hundred foot drawwark to
the water to a creek down behindour house. And I'm up and down

(34:22):
this path all the time. Andyou know, weed eating, and you
know how when you weed eat youryard, you know what's in your yard.
And there's something to do with thesequartz rocks that these things are fascinated
with. Ye, But I gotto walk down the path and there's two
big quartz rocks sitting about three footapart from each other but in the line

(34:44):
at the top of this path,and I'm like, no, I know,
those rocksn't And I just weeded ithere to the other day and I
got looking at them and I startedkind of giggling to myself a little bit,
and I'm like, we're going tosee so I tell Sheila about it
when she gets home and dust startscoming. We get down the path and
she's standing there watching for me andeverything. And I started walking back up

(35:06):
toward the house. The moment Igot right when I got to those rocks,
so those lights come on. Istarted laughing. I said, ah,
they've done marked their little spot.So I take the rock. I'm
moving towards the house about three foot, I said, we'll see. I
laid there in bed that night andit never happened. That night. I
was like kind of disappointed a littlebit. But the next night those lights

(35:29):
came back on again. Now bearin mind these lights hadn't been coming on
right the second night the lights comeon, I was laughing. I said,
yeah, I got you now,so wild. It's see the point
where our kids, when they're here, they will not why say, their
kids are all adults and are grankids, but they will not go out
after d artist. They've had stuffthat they've had things. I mean,

(35:50):
my youngest daughter, she was twentyfour. She fell in the back door
and crawled through the house trying toget back in that past because it scared
her so bad. Like that,my daughter in law was asleep on the
couch. One night she was goingto come in here and sleep because all
were hugging in bed and she wasthe biggest skeptic, you and everyone.
She thought we were just nuts,you know. And she was laying there

(36:14):
and she told me, she said, I heard something walk on the porch,
the front porch, and we leavethe screen door open and propped up
because the dogs will come in andout on the porch. And she says,
in the door knob. Something turnedthe doorknob. She said, I
got up and took my ass backto the bedroom and stayed there. And
she says, but then a coupleof minutes later and we, I mean

(36:35):
most of all of them, plusfriends of ours. It'll go to this
first bedroom, which you would haveto be at least eight foot tall,
and it'll tap, It'll take liketwo fingers and tap underneath the window like
three times. And it's freaked everybodyout. But it's been really interesting,
Yeah, it really really has.And but you know, for us,

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it's kind of kind of a goodthing because it goes hand in him things
we do. Did you tell meabout the men that was putting the car
port? No, I had acarport installed here and two Hispanic guys putting
it up, you know, doinggreat work and everything well in the spring
and the summertime. This is amigration area for one different clan. And

(37:19):
uh, the spring and the summertimes when they go through. And that's
when this was going on a carport. Dust starts falling in one house over
here on the ridge behind our house, and it how how many? How
good? And those guys their headssnatched up there, like what in the
world was that. Well, Igot a little big foot statue here by
the house and I looked at thatat you, They said, are you

(37:43):
serious? I laughing. I saidyeah. They said, do you mind
if we finish this up tomorrow?And they live they left. I mean
when I say it, how itprobably wasn't one hundred and fifty yards from
the house. Yeah, that happensall the time over here. We were
on the porch one night. Ourneighbor he's seen one out here. We
have not seen one, but hehas. He's been here for twenty four

(38:05):
years. There's only five houses onour road, and you can't see each
other's house. Well, he tellsScott and tells Scott to go outside.
That night, Scott comes out hereon the front porch and he hears something.
He hollers for me to come outhere, and I'm standing right here,
right here where we're sitting, actuallystanding around there, and you know,
when like a rabbit, here's somethinglike our predator's fixing the talunt.
Seeing this thing screamed because it wasright down there at the water, it

(38:25):
was screamed so loud. It's justlike, y'all just cow. We're like,
oh, that's it, I'm done, is god me? I've never
heard anything like that. That waslike wow, It's almost like a war
call. And then with like fifteenseconds later, another one screams right over
here, and I was just I'mready to go inside in like all thett
wors at that point. It's funnyyou say this. That's one of the
conversations had about Bigfoot. It's thisinfra sound that they can produce, like

(38:49):
tigers and shit like this. Theyproduce this. It's so low it's very
hard to hear, but you feelit. It paralyzed. Yeah, and
that's so fascinating because this infra soundis what it's what it's connected to.
That's interesting that you had that reaction. Oh yeah, I was like I
was God, I was done whateverit had me. I mean, it
was just wow, you're done.And it's like ancient right, and like
the guy's putting up the carport.They're like, there's something deep in you

(39:13):
that when you hear that, itsets off an alarm or pings of like
that says to leave here now,be not right here now, you know,
and whatever done. They were adamabout wanting to leave because that thing
was poking down that day and theywere adam about wanting to leave. Can
we be back? Can we pleasebe back next morning to finish this?
And I'm like, sure, it'sgot to the point where it just don't

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really you know, hear it now. But you know, like our kids
with the cabin, I told youwe leased. It was eight hundred square
foot and it was right by thewater, and nobody was there. Our
kid like I say, our kidsthought we were crazy because you could be
sitting there in the house and itwould whatever would run through the yard,
and that that cabin would vibrate.You could feel the vibrations. And my
oldest, our oldest daughter was sittingthere. She's thirty something and she was

(39:59):
sitting there in the floor. Onenight and it comes running by and it
vibrated, and I just looked ather, said Mama. I said,
I told you she was just fromthe from the thud of it hitting the
ground outside. If I breathed theFlorida, the cabin is so bad then
on time, it was about twoseventy five to eighty in weeked and uh,

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I let she'll be in the house. I'd run through the yard and
you would even know I went throughthe here. We found foot tracks out
there that were compressed down a littleover a half inch, and I was
jumped inside the foot track trying tomake a dent in the ground and couldn't
even make an impression. Wow.He he left me there. He had

(40:44):
to go to Florida take care ofhis mom. She had a medical emergency
up there. So I stayed atthe cabin by myself, and he got
so bad. I was sleep inthe living room. I'm not sleeping the
recliner. I had the shotgun here, and I have my forty right here.
Like if it comes to the door, we both going out. So
all I say, because it wasleaving fingerprints on my jeep, these big

(41:04):
old, greasy fingerprints, throwing littlepebbles at the house. There was you
could see footprints all over. Iwas calling, begging some of my friends
and y'all got to come over outhere and stay with me, and they
home. What would happen if youjust walked outside? I know nobody wants
to, but like, what wouldhappen if you just you know, heard
it walking across the yard and juststepped outside and was like, hey,
you know, would you like thesandwich or something like you need to cook

(41:27):
you? I just bea I didn'twant to be a forest pride. My
goodness, that's the thing. Whowould do it? Like? I'm not
like saying, oh if I werethere? No, no, no,
I'm not saying that at all becauseI would not. I'd be like,
yest, go for it. Ohyou don't want to either, Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I don't atall. Just ask me, what do
you think would happen? I hadheard that that they they're peeping toms,

(41:47):
because I'm not joking. Back hereby my bathroom, we've cast a footprint
close to my bathroom window. SoI'm telling you when the dust, when
dark starts coming, I want theblinds clothed because I don't feel the need
for them to be galkin or whatever. That's where they were taking daughter as
a man, right, I meanmaybe into that, Yeah, yeah,

(42:09):
because we're they're entertainment. And evenif you're around the campfire talking, that
draws them in closer because they wantto know what's going on the shave.
Look, you know, I getthe sense. I get the sense like
once you're aware of them, andespecially once you've seen them, like they
start to like sense that and likecome around you more almost or like stockyboard

(42:30):
sounds like. But for the skepticsout there, like it made me think,
like, uh, this is probablya question for Scott because you'd probably
know this, but I don't knowa whole lot about bears. But like
you know, bears are known towalk on two feet, but like,
like what's the max time they're they'reon two feet? It's not very long,

(42:50):
is it? Like, it's notvery long? In the most bears
they'll stand up on their back twofeet for a couple of different reasons.
Right, One is at himself abetter view, you know, get a
little higher headed view to where hecan see better what he's wanting to see,
like a mere cat's that's his primaryreason for it. His other reasons

(43:13):
for standing up on his back legsor aggression are showing dominance, right,
and such things as that right there, And to make his own self you
need to look bigger to his tohis adversary. Yeah, or you know
he's going to stand up to getstuff out of the trees and things like
that. But as far as he'swalking, he can he can walk several

(43:34):
steps, okay, but he won'tstay up there very long, not to
make a trackway or anything like that. I was gonna say, yeah,
that's not And we do see alot of We do see a lot these
girls of mine here. I lovethem all to death. They they get
after me a little bit every oncein a while. They I take a

(43:54):
quick instance. They come look meup out of a nice sleep one day
and I hadn't shown me this picturethey took of a good track. So
they show it to me. They'reall excited and everything. I said,
where did y'all get this? Andthey carry me up there to it,
and I study on the track alittle while. I finally tell them,

(44:15):
I say, you've got a beautifulpicture here, you got a beautiful looking
track here, But this is nota track, and they're all on me,
like you know, figing the pounceon me, like what do you
mean that's not a track? I'mlike, wait a minute, hang on,
I'll show you some little pigs hadbeen up there rooting, and little
pigs had rooted up. I meanthey've rooted the most beautiful track you ever

(44:37):
wanted to see. And they said, well, how do you figure that
right there? So I show them, you know, the root and marks,
and they really had I said,I said that's what this is.
And they're all like disappointed and everything. But on the flip side of that
coin, if I say, youknow it is something, I truly believe

(44:59):
it is. I'm not that personthat's going to oh that's the track that
every everything is my foot. Everything'snot right, but responsible, yeah you
have in this in this one,in this field, you have to pay.
Oh yeah. And one thing.One thing I see a lot of
folks they really miss mark them alot. And it's a double step bear

(45:21):
track mm hmm. And a lotof people have no idea that bears back
foot is not the same as hisfront foot. His back foot has a
little bit more along with elongated.Heell about us and in their travels.
Some sometimes they will his back footwill step almost into it, or step

(45:42):
into his front track and thus givingit the big five toe front toepad and
the more elongated heel to look anddon't get wrong, we've seen them a
lot and that it looks good.It looks like a great track. The
till tell sign of it is uhin the center, whereas back the step
he'll have claw marphs there mm hm. And that's I mean, it's a

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real easy one to pick off,right, so that it's pretty easy to
tell the difference between the two,like a double bear track versus something that
must be bigfoot or can't be explainedas anything else. Essentially, for the
most part, yes, it isbecause of the claws right in some in

(46:27):
some terrain on some ground you mightnot see the claw tracks are claw marks,
and you have to really study harder, right, But it's uh,
it's one of those things where youlearn as you learn as you go,
and you get better at it asyou go. Right, and different animals,
you know, making different tracks anddifferent ways and things. It's uh

(46:47):
that that double step bear track isone that gets misconstrued a lot. Is
a big foot track that makes sense. Yes, go ahead, No,
go ahead? Uh yeah, Iwas just gonna shila too before we got
too far away from it. Youmentioned earlier, like your first sighting of
a bigfoot, Like how close wereyou that first time? Like was it

(47:09):
quite a ways or was it likeright in front of twenty five yards away?
Wow? That's super yeah. Imean like I seen your eyes,
he's seen my eyes. We hadan eye contact going on, and wow,
you know, I would have neverlooked that way if he hadn't have
made some kind of clicking noise,you know, I believe it was some

(47:30):
kind of clicking noise with his tonguethey make. And I looked back over
there, and I seen something behinda tree, you know, and you're
trying to size up, and itbounced a little bit. It was behind
a tree. He had his handsaround the tree, and he bounced a
little bit, a little bit ofsway, and I seen that shoulders on
that side, and I thought Scottand my friend was behind us, but
they were still down the ridge,and so I said Scott like that,

(47:52):
and he still went there, andthe things moving a little bit more,
and we're looking at each other,and I knew then I wasn't supposed to
be and what I was seeing andI was like Scott, and he said
he knew then when I yelled againsomething was wrong. When this thing dropped
down had to be on all foursbecause it just like a puff of smoke.
It was gone, wow. Sothe theory is that can run on

(48:15):
all fours and walks onto your feet. I guess it'll bailly crawl too,
the army belly crawl, and theydo that a lot. And there they
seem to be a little faster onall fours. That makes sense, especially
out there you're talking like the hills, man, they're like this, And
so when you're thinking of getting upthat thing. For us, it's silly.

(48:37):
It's like you need a rope onsome of it. It's slick rock,
you know, it's real misty,you know, and all that kind
of stuff. But dude, forthem, the way they can traverse that
place, there's not a flat areain out where we're at there where you
guys are at, it's very hardto find flat ground. Everything is at
these ridiculous angles. And it's notthese rolling hills, it's freaking mini mountains.
Suit And so it's like the perfectperfectly adapt for this, especially for

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its size and its power for itto be able to traverse on all fours
like that, you could see itjust be gone, man. And then
it's funny you said also, Sheila, that it had to move for you
to see it, because you will, You'll be glancing around and you know
you don't see shit. Man,You're just like word, was it not
down? You're not and so ithad to move to show you. Now,
it's interesting. Two things I justwant to ask real quick. Number

(49:20):
one, do you think that itwas trying to get your attention with the
sounds, that it was making itfor you to look at it? But
what's fascinating to that point is itwanted you to look, but you innately
felt this is something I shouldn't beseeing or which is fascinating. So why
Okay, God, I didn't knowif it was something that you felt like
you weren't supposed to see. Butlike I said, up until then,
I had deniability because I've never seenone for myself, so I still had

(49:45):
that little bit gives you a littlebit of comfort. No one, but
maybe it's not real. Maybe youknow all that stuff I heard until I
laid in mind that it was absolutelyno more deniability. It was the piece
of you that knew it wasn't realthat could hide behind an explanation that was
that shouldn't have seen it, becausethen it shattered that illusion. Oh yeah,
it was over the interesting way you'veIt's just fascinating the way you phrased

(50:07):
it, and it just came outeverything. You know, your mom telling
you boogers aren't real, bigger Man'snot real. Oh that was a lie.
Every bit of that was a lie. They're real. Yeah, they're
full of shit about Santa. Whywouldn't they be the full of shit about
the thing under your bed too?Why just because this guy brings you candy
and ship? Now that sucks?You know. You know there's there's there's

(50:27):
three. There's three kind of people, really and truly. You have the
non believers and skeptics, you knowthat just no matter if you showed it
to them point blank face, faceon face, and I'm gonna believe right,
then you have your folks that arebelievers. They're true believers. They
believe this thing exists. They've eitherheard things, seen things in the woods,

(50:52):
or something to make them totally believein this and then you have people
that are no worse and your knowwers or people that I've actually seen these
things, right, And that's agood way to put it. That's a
that's like one of my favorite Dvinciquotes. He says, there are three
Leonardo Dvinu, there are three classesof people, those who can see,
those who can see when shown,and those who don't see. And it's

(51:14):
like very clear to that, likeit's that you either know it because you
saw it, or you can see. If you see it, then like
Sheila, he or she can beshown and see and learn that way.
But then some people just don't see, man, And this is what we
come with. This is why we'reso frustrated. I think where some people
get frustrated with the phenomena because threepeople will be stating there. Two people
are like, holy shit, that'sa UFO do you see it? And
the other guy, huh, Idon't see an help nothing at all.

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But it's that's the class of personthat can't see. And I'm going to
say that the percentage of those isnot equal. I'm going to say that
that class that just straight up can'tsee is like the eighty five percent of
people who were sort of following narratives, tagged into some sort of borg mindset
that don't they can't see. It'sjust part of their modus operandi. But
it's interesting for them to be reflectionsfor us that can see, or at

(52:00):
least see, when shown that there'ssomething really cool going on here, even
if we don't know what it is, we can still see it. It's
interesting just that can't are the onesthat are like have that tunnel vision,
like what we were saying, butit just can't do everything. It's to
anything outside of what they see onMSB and BC or anything like that,
right, But it's I think it'sit's so innate. It's it's a thing

(52:22):
that we you know, we getfrustrated within the conspiracy community decades. I
was just like, oh, youknow, Paul revereing, guys, wake
up, how can you not seethis? Nine eleven blah blah blah.
And I'm like, Oh, there'sa shitload of people out here who just
can't see, and actually they're programmedto fight you on the things that you
can see. And that wisdom,man, that just saved me so much
headache, dude. And so that'swhy, like Charlie Robinson, he says,

(52:43):
of macroaggressions, he says, I'mnot a conspiracy theorist. I'm a
conspiracy analyst, and I love that. I'll take a look at it,
but I'm not gonna go like ahand play into the way that they want
you to, which is this negativereaction, right, totally. Yeah,
one more, one more quick questionlike that. I could picture a step
thick asking God, did I justlose it? Uh? What was it?

(53:06):
Uh? Like? So one whenyou uh yeah, when you see
them right, so you're a knower, right and you see the thing,
and they're like, oh, well, why didn't you film it? You
know, and it's like, ship, well, it's like, of course
you're not gonna film it. Solike when I've seen what I saw,

(53:27):
you know, I usually carry ahandgun with me in the woods yesterday,
but mostly I care because these wildhogs because and if they have babies,
you're in trouble if you run upon one or you know, a bayar
lord for be it. That's thelast thing I want to do, right,
That's but I have it in caseI do need it, right in
my phone. I always carry thatjoker with me everywhere that day. I
did not have a gun, Idid not have a phone. They were

(53:49):
both amun you, but I wouldnot have thought to use either one.
Wow, it's so interesting that isat the time that people will say,
you know, I know I hadmy phone, but something said, either
something said in my head, don'tget your phone, don't take a picture,
or somebody will say, you know, I knew and I thought about
my phone, but also I thought, no, no, no, I'm
not going to take a picture.Like it overwhelmed them, even though from
hindsight they go, why the helldid I do that? I wish it
would have taken the picture. Soit's almost like something takes you over.

(54:13):
But also, sheil, that's interestingyou said this because a lot of people
say that if they're armed or havea camera, they don't see anything,
but if they go out naked andcan't document it for anyone else, they'll
see all kinds of shit. Soit's just really interesting. It's like that
whole if a tree falls in theforest and no one saw it, that
it actually happened, Like writing thing, it's like they know. Your ability
to let people know this is athing outside of the moment is what draws

(54:37):
them outside of you having that moment. Yeah, they do. When she
had her siding, we were inan area where we were actually doing some
scouting work for another group to havean event there. And after she had
that, about two weeks later,the same group was there. A couple

(54:59):
of days guys had come in.We were down in the camp area and
one of the gentlemen that were withus, he hollered at me and said,
hey, something just moved up onthat ridge. He said, I'm
standing right beside my truck. SoI prop up on my truck and I'm
looking over the ridge and I sawhim, and he said, they're standing
between two trees. But he's lookingback at my friend. And I'm in

(55:20):
awe at this point, you know, I'm seeing this thing. And he
asked me, he said, didyou see it? And I said,
yeah, I actually see him.And I was trying to tell him where
he was and he couldn't see him. So he walks over to where I
was at, and I'm trying totell him, explain to him right where
he's at. He's looking all overthis place and he turns around and looks
at me and says, God,I don't see it. I said,

(55:43):
turn your head back around. Itry to position his head for him.
He can't see it. I finallyreached over his shoulder and pointed at this
thing. The second I pointed athim, he dropped down and took off
over the top of that ridge.He covered a span of over forty yards
and a little of nothing. Imean it was. There is no Olympic

(56:04):
athlete that's that kind of has thatkind of speed. Crazy. And when
he dropped down, he's sawing.When he moved, he sawing. This
thing was kind of like a cinnamoncolor brown. All the dead leaves and
everything on that ridge. He justblended in it to it way better than
a guy in a gilly soup.Right, do you notice that you see
colored ones different time of year,Like if the foliage is a natural color,

(56:28):
you'll see that color almost like anadaptation to blend in, or that
that species will emerge at that timeof year. I don't know. I
don't know, because there was oneof Blood Mountain that was white and he
wouldn't have blended. We don't havethat much snow. Well, the hope
he said that that's the end ofthe world, So you know, you
get the albino and stuff walking around. That's prophecy saying that, hey,
we're done. You know, eventhe white Bigfoot, there's supposed to be

(56:52):
one or two there's supposed to beup here wound those. Is that right
or my off on that. Thethe yiddy is you know, he's over
in the Himalaya area, Okay,the Himalayas, And a lot of the
a lot of the names for thesethings comes to the locate comes from the
location that they're at. Okay,in saying that you know, up here's

(57:16):
big foot or sasquatch. Down inFlorida they're called skunkcapes. Yeah, a
little uh further out with some ofthe natives call him scoop them. And
then you have Ohio, they haveit's the same thing. It's called grass
man m hm and all the sametype creature, but his location gives him

(57:39):
his name. A lot do youguys think like the authorities or you know,
the people on you know, highsecurity clearance have ever like tracked one
of these things down and like youknow, shot it and like, oh
yeah, had it somewhere. Youthink, oh, I think they have
full knowledge of it. And that'slike, you know, if you know,

(58:00):
we were to ever run over abig foot and had the body.
You know, I do believe peoplewould certain people would show up and say,
no, I'm gonna take this bearoff your hands. This is a
bear, So we're gonna take thisbear and do something with them. Wow.
But you that I believe that theofficials in the upper regime there,
I believe they have full knowledge ofall this, right. Yeah, well

(58:23):
you know, and it's pretty simplified. Seriously, if they were to ever
acknowledge all this the existence. Lookat all the things that would come out
of that that one thing when theyfound that one particular owl spot, something
spoted hour or something. Look atthe amount of money that was lost,

(58:44):
revenue that was lost because of havingto put that owl back on to protected
species. They stopped all the logand everything in that area, right,
and it all boils down. Thisis just my opinion, but it all
boils down to a money thing,right. The Bigfoot, the whole Big
Book conspiracy is so that they don'thave to set aside of the lands,

(59:06):
and that they're everywhere, and thatyes, technically it's an endangered species because
they only have a certain amount ofterritory and so by the definition of the
law that means they need to setup a preserve. They fall into the
category, which means that it's everywherelike would Buddha's out of everything. It's
interesting, you don't have to protectthe species you can't prove doesn't exist.
There's a couple of states, wasOklahoma. One state's offering this big reward

(59:30):
for the bounty for killing one,and then another state is putting it downeer
a protective order where you can't youknow, you can be prosecuted for killing
the big foot. There's a nationalpark set up in Indonesia. That's in
ben Tehota Ingram's book Forbidden Travels.I think it's what it's called. It's
his newest book. It's great.It's forward by Alexander Petkov, by the
way, who's going to be oneof our speakers all of this shit.

(59:52):
So in there he talks about apreserve for the Yettie and they say this,
The government says, yeah, yeah, all these hundreds of thousands of
acres in these sacred mountain are setup for the yetti That's what they are
for, for this wild hairy manthat lives out there. That we're not
going to mess with, and that'swhat it's for. Like they're very open
about set up the National forest youknow, but he's supposedly saying one our

(01:00:13):
president that set up the National forestsystems. Yeah Roosevelt, right. Yeah.
He also was the one that wentover to just posted video about this
on Instagram. G E. KinKid was a guy that went out there
fearing that Roosevelt was going to setup the National parks and close off the
Grand Canyon, so he wanted toget out there and get minerals before they
did so, even though he decidedagainst it at the time. Something like

(01:00:36):
that. But anyway, g EKin Kid goes in there, finds a
cave with all of these mummies andhigherd glyphs and Buddhist statues and all this
stuff in the Grand Canyon. Andthen of course the dickhead goes to the
Smithsonian, which is where the storygoes away. As always they just dumb
stuff over the rivers, you know, in the ocean and stuff. So
but it's a fascinating store. Thereare news articles about it all over.
But I thought Roosevelt, I thoughtI heard Roosevelt was in the giants,

(01:00:59):
you know, like we is hereabout the giant skeletons that are shoveled and
never seen again, and yeah,we think he's a hunter too big games.
So you think at some point,I bet you that, I bet
your curiosity is vesicle high seat atsome point. You know, I'm sure
they overlapped totally. And it's youknow, it's really unique that a lot

(01:01:19):
of our national parks and national forestsand everything, if you bounce that off
of there's a map on the backof David posts books about the clusters of
disappearances. If you bounce that mapoff of our national parks and national forests,
you can just about put an overlayon the biggest one. Yeah,

(01:01:44):
I'm one of the biggest ones actuallyis real close to us here and smoking
mountains. I wonder if this tiesin with any of like the maps there's
circulating maps of like all the undergroundbases all over the country and how they
all connect, like if that tiesin at all, or you know,
that's that's very that's that's very possible. And you know interesting that you say

(01:02:07):
that about the basis because there seemsto be a lot of reports, a
lot of sightings and everything that happenedaround military installations, military bases, especially
bases that are you know, faraway from other stuff. And there's a
lot of big foot signings, supposedlya lot of UFO sidings. Now we've

(01:02:28):
been camping before and had u wellwe thought was UFO activity and then have
like aggressive bigfoot activities at the sametime. Oh wow, Okay, that's
actually one of the places we're gonnacarry Brandon. Yeah, dude, I
cannot wait. In fact, ifyou want, Andrea, if we have
some time, because I know we'reon a hard out today, I wanted

(01:02:49):
to just share screen here and showfirst of all the map that Scott was
talking about, and then I willshow you guys some stuff about the event
that we can go into and getexcited about. So audio only audience,
here is your opportunity to check thelink probably located down below. I'm gonna
go ahead and say it is forthe video version of this show, and
you guys could join us here andsee the stuff that we're looking at visually,
and we thank you for that.Uh. This is the map that

(01:03:10):
you're talking about. This is thelimestone caves and the lava caves and they're
all indicated here. But also thisis the missing four one one missing people's
and so look how they line upup here directly with this almost like an
underground highway for smuggling folk or foreating people. You're probably safe that I'm

(01:03:32):
good at Nebraska. Look at you, You're in the safe state. Look
at the South Dakota, North Dakota. You guys are all golden. Man.
Oh man, that's wild. Also, it's interesting to know whenever you
guys talk about erasing history and thingslike that, because of course the gncaid
a lot vast section of the GrandCanny were walled off, and this of

(01:03:52):
course was barred off and you justcan't go there. But it's interesting also
to note that America has the mostman made lakes out of entry any country
in the world, by like alot. And so it's interesting also to
know that that that's an easy assway to flood out some really dope history
that they don't want you to knowabout. So I just think that's cool.
It is so real quick on thisand then there you go. I

(01:04:15):
just wanted to show you guys thewebsite real quick. First of all,
shout out cam Carry. This guyis amazing. He is the one that's
set up our website. He didan incredible job. I love this guy,
and just wanted to point out thatour focus now is on the three
elements that we have our show here. The publishing, which we have seven
books out now and eight if youinclude the handbook out and they are all
on Amazon and Barnes and Noble Barnesand was a big deal. So we're

(01:04:39):
grateful we got there. But allof that's linked here with the publishing.
But let's talk about the events becausethat's where we're at on this right.
So if you guys want to justgo to the events section on there,
it's going to show you all thestuff, not only that we have going
now, but future things that wehave planned. We have Superstition mountains,
not Adams, of course, andyes Giza. Larry Paul with the American
Pyramid Association cannot wait to get usover there to do like this really cool

(01:05:00):
thing down the Nile, and wevisit all these pyramids and shit, and
of course Mount Shasta. So wehave a lot of things coming up with
the Expanding Reality excursions, so staytuned for all that stuff. But this
one, in particular, the BefriendingBigfoot event, has its own logo and
everything. I mean, I'll showthis stuff, but we have you know
stickers that these glow in the dark. We have these little pins that are
really cool, these little you knowstick on pi in yeah, and then

(01:05:23):
a little patch the ERE logo patches. So we have a bunch of really
cool stuff for this as well.In each event we'll have its own little
logo there. So whenever you goover here, you can go to any
parts that say book now or readbook now rather, and that will take
you over the ticketing information on ticketspice And it's a really cool way to
kind of see all the stuff.And we'll check that out here in a

(01:05:43):
second. Butt when you hit thispage initially, you're going to see this
tab information here and the plan tenerarysort of will do the breakdown of what
we've got tentatively planned out. Soon the first day when you guys get
in, we of course have outthere. We have Trey Hudson and Sheila
and Scott here. They're going tobe our first presenters, and then we
were going to take I think Trey'sgoing to bring his night vision and thermal

(01:06:05):
imaging cameras out and goggles and stuffand we're going to go out there on
the on the hills out there andgo hike that night after Sheila, Scott
and Trace go the shit out ofus. And then next day we're going
to head out to Booger Alley,which is beautiful because Sheila and Scott are
going to say what that is thenight before, and then we're going to
head over there for our Georgia hikeday. That day, we're going to

(01:06:25):
be out there pretty much all day, and then we have presentations that night
as well with Owen Hunt. He'sa comedian. He actually has another comedian
friend of his that's going to comeup there and he then will get in
a big Foot outfit and roast humanityfrom Bigfoot's perspective, and so it's awesome.
We're really looking forward to this guy. Dave Baker, contact e Day
Baker and Les Durant actually are onthe Encounters series. It's on two B

(01:06:49):
but it was on Amazon originally andyou can go see their stuff. I
think lester Urrants is up season oneepisode three. Dave Baker's is the last
two episodes in season one, butdude, absolutely fascinating folks. So that's
our second night there and then weare going to go do some CE five
stuff, maybe late night hikes.And then also we're gonna have like all

(01:07:09):
of our musical stuff out there,so what of guitars, We're gonna be
jamming, drum circles, stuff likethat, So all that's possible as well
as the place has I mean apool will go over the place here in
a minute. But Friday, thenwe're going to head over to Tennessee.
So we're actually hiking in three differentstates here, Georgia, Tennessee, and
North Carolina. And in day threehere we're going to go hiking or kayaking

(01:07:30):
rather on the Oc River as wellas then after lunch go camping the upper
Yeah, the OC River Olympic UpperMiddle Hike, which is really cool.
We've been out there. We didit on our scout trip and it was
badass that night as well. Forpresentations, we have Chris Matthew and Alexander
Pettacoff, both filmmakers, researchers,incredible you know, Chris forbid Knowledge News
and his new film By the Way, Cult Louisian is on to b as

(01:07:51):
well. We're very proud of himas well. Then Saturday, we're going
to go hike the North Carolina theAppalachian Trail out there, and that's going
to be an all day deal aswell. And then that evening we have
lester Rant as well as Preston Dinnett, the author lives just down the road
there. Man. When we wenton our scout trip, I actually got
to meet him. He's signed afew books for me and she's incredible.

(01:08:13):
So he's going to come out anddo something as well. And then yes,
Dave Zed will be there and thenwe would just be talking shit,
Dave Zed and I and then we'regoing to have a share your experience that
evening as well. But on theSunday there we're going to do the Sasquatch
Museum, which I do have pulledup here, and this is one of
the coolest damn things ever. Ranby a guy named Dave Bakara, who's

(01:08:33):
just a fascinating dude. This thingactually has the largest cast collection in the
world as well as it's got aDNA lab. Look at that. Shit.
God, that's cool. So andof course Scott and Sheila know him
as well, and everybody's family that'sgoing out there too, which is really
really cool. Between Trey and youguys and everybody. So if you walk

(01:08:54):
back over here, then that willkind of just show you everything that we've
got going on there. We willshuttles and everything from the airport, so
all that kind of stuff has beentaken care of. But if you want
to peep the spot, it's rightdown here at the bottom. You can
check out Sugar Boo Farms and thisis where we're having this bad Boy and
the thing is just awesome. Dude, Let's check out the grounds first and
we'll share the house. So groundswise, you guys, we have these

(01:09:15):
little cabins here. We also havea variety of options. We've made this
as available as we can without youknow, we got shit to pay for,
so we've made it as available aswe can. But there's camping here,
there's single person, there's semi private. We've done, like I said,
a lot to provide options for youguys. But this is the spot
from the balcony up here, andyou can see these peaks back here,
and you can see the terrain.Dude, it looks like all nice and

(01:09:38):
roly. It is not. Itis very it's quite vertical, and a
lot of spots that it's like deceivinglyflat in some of these areas, which
is cool. They got some cabinsout there. But we just run through
a few of these pictures. Againfor the audio only audience, check that
link in the show description. Comehang out with us. Tons of places
to camp, hang out. Andwhat's nice about this place too, is
before you wander off into the nationalpark there guys, so that if you

(01:10:00):
guys, just hit water, followthe water and it'll bring you back to
the house. How great is thatdirection for wandering around on a twenty six
acre property. If you get lost, just hit the water and come back
around. But full garden like,it's got animals out there. The donkey's
cool. Shit, we met himand a pig and all that kind of
stuff. So it's a I meanto say, it's magical as silly,
like, it's way more than magical. It's absolutely beautiful. And so again

(01:10:24):
if you don't want to do thehikes and stuff like that, you don't
have to. We got this placethat you can just wander around and explore
the whole time and do whatever youwant. So if you look at the
farmhouse though here it's also awesome.It's got like I said, tiered gardens
and things like that, which wewill be in Bloom and we have access
to. It's got this really coolroom here. All the decorations are nice

(01:10:45):
and full kitchen stuff like that.I'm just getting through some of the interior
and that you guys can check thisout again at the website. It'll be
located down there. Now when weget back outside, you have all these
layers of balconies. And the coolthing about this is this is where we're
going to do a weather permitting.This is where we're going to do our
presentations in the evening. Is onthis lawn here under the stars, with

(01:11:08):
the screenback here so we'll have visualaids associated with it. And then it's
right next to the pool. Andthen on the other side up top,
it's a big balcony, so youcan watch it from either side or be
in the pool and hang out andwatch. You know, Chilun's gotta give
their presentation, look over at thewoods and be like, is he out
there? I see green eyes?And so you've got all of this opportunity
to hang out and chill. Andthe other cool thing about this is is

(01:11:29):
that this isn't one of these eventsto where like go you pay money and
you see five people stand up therewith a lanyard and you're not allowed to
talk to them. And they getup there, they have their presentation which
maybe you've heard on YouTube twelve timesor maybe have it, and they get
up there, they have their presentation, and then they go sit down at
a booth and you need to buytheir book or pay them twenty bucks to

(01:11:50):
shake their hand and say hi tothem, and then they're all compartmentalized.
Now, I'm not bashing on thatmode of community at all, because I
love that shit. It's fascinating.Like the Comic con Vibe, there's a
lot of structured engagements that I findawesome. Where we are going to diverge
just a little bit is going tobe that you have access to all of

(01:12:11):
us the whole time you're there.Of course you know to a degree,
right, But what I mean tosay is is that this isn't some isolated
they're going to present and then gosit down and then hey, you're not
in a VIP or you didn't payenough or whatever. No, it's everybody
is going to hang out together.So you've got Trey Alexander, Chris Preston,
and Scott and Sheila sit in therearound a campfire. Yes, I
would love a cup of coffee.Go get a cup of coffee and we're

(01:12:33):
all hanging out telling these amazing storiestogether. You don't have to buy a
book to go. You know.It's yes, it's an exclusive event,
but that's the point is that youhave access that we can. It's behind
the scenes, it's beyond what youcan ask, it's off the trail.
But then we're absolutely going to beimmersed in nature together. So again it's
like very very different in a lotof important ways. I feel just from

(01:12:54):
my events, Like I said,if we're going to do it, we
want you to be able to comeup and like you know, tell Dave
Zed and I to come smoke ajoint with you in the woods. Absolutely,
like let's go. Now. Anotherthing too, this is if it's
raining or something heaven't forbid, thenwe do have a covered spot that's all
lit up with full pa with fulllights with everything, so it's pretty covered
pun intended in all directions. Sothe place is badass. Like I said,

(01:13:16):
we could not have picked a coolerspot. Shout out to Kristen Bolt,
my events partner there she's just doingan amazing job and this place has
just been really cool. So ifyou guys are interested in it, like
I said again, you can findit at Expanding realitypodcast dot com, slash
events, and on any of thosepages, it will take you to the
book now where you can go throughhere. It'll go over everything again for

(01:13:40):
you, but this will be yourbreakdown on different things like the shared space,
the camping, the semi private,private two people day passes, all
that kind of stuff. Like Isaid, we have bottom lined this out
to make it as affordable as possiblefor everyone involved and made it as cool
as possible with what we could do. So and it's just the beginning,
you know what I mean. Sothis is just the first one. But
Andrea, I want to thank youin Scott and Shila, thank you so

(01:14:02):
much all for hanging out and forbeing a part of this and just everything's
so cool. I just can't waitto hug y'all's neck in person and come
see your booger alley spot and comeget the ships you get it out of
us and go walk around in thewoods. And I can't wait. Man,
Thank you all. It's a befriendingbigfoot event, nobody's going to be
shooting bigfoot. We're not interested intrapping or hunting bigfoot. We're having bigfoot

(01:14:25):
adventure hikes, not bigfoot hunts.So it's very different mentality, you know.
We come out there with a differentreverence for this. It's it's not
bullshit, you know. And that'sthe coolest thing about it is it's not
bullshit. No, none of itis. And you know, and like
on these hikes and everything, youknow, the last thing we want to
do is uh cause anyone fear inthe forest, because that's you know,

(01:14:49):
that's not what it's all about.You want people to interact with things,
experience it, enjoy themselves, havea lot of fun with it, and
be ready go back and do itagain. Yeah, you know that Actually
the last thing we ever wanted forsomeone to you know, go out there
and get scared, get frightened,and then they don't ever want to go

(01:15:09):
back to the woods again. That'sno, that's not our principle. We
we assure you one thing for surethat if you walk in with us,
I'm gonna make sure you walk out. That's a great policy. You want
to go to the woods with Ohyeah, leave coming back with you.

(01:15:30):
That's great. I found my accountabilbuddy in the woods by the way.
Thank you well. It was apleasure meeting you, Scott and Sheila.
My goodness, you opened my mindso much just today. And I look
forward to making one of these inthe future. I hope this is a
regular thing every year coming up,so definitely gonna make one. We've enjoyed

(01:15:53):
talking with you, we have,and we're really we're really excited about Brandon's
event coming up because for a lotof folks, you know, they go
to one of these Bigfoot conferences andthey see what it is and they think
it's another Bigfoot commerence. And thisis totally the oppers of this. It's
totally different. It's going to beso much more interaction, so much more

(01:16:14):
openness and fluidity with it. It'sit's an event all its own. Yeah.
Anyone who gets the opportunity to cometo this, they really need to
because it's gonna be a good timehandby all, totally come out. Well
done, Brandon, man, I'mso far. I'm so freaking proud of
you. Ben. This is amazingwhat you got going and all the retreats

(01:16:36):
you got planning in the future.And all the events I look forward to,
you know, all the stuff you'rebuilding in the future. And yeah,
anyone out there listening, I hopeyou make it down there. Don't
not go just because I can't makeit. I definitely plan to make some
of these in the future. Andyeah, it's been a pleasure to host

(01:16:57):
this and promote it. Always loveto support my brother Brandon, and uh
yeah, look forward to talking toyou guys again. Super greatful men.
Thank you to live an audience.Go down there and support your host.
Buy one of these dope shirts orsomething like that, you know, vio
audience. There you go, youknow, honestly the most comfortable show.

(01:17:17):
Oh dude, thank you so muchmore comfortable than mine. Man. Minders,
shit, yourd's actually did good.We need to talk about where you
got yours. But audience out there, I hope you know how lucky you
are for the hosts that you haveand for what he's sharing with you,
and the openness and the heart inwhich and what he really gets out of
his guests here, man, becausewe've got to be very comfortable to share
openly like this, and only agreat host provides that. So thank you

(01:17:39):
man. We really appreciate you.Thank you guys, thank you all out
there for listening. I hope yougained something from this conversation, found a
moment of presence throughout it. Isend you all peace and love, and
I hope you have a beautiful restof the week. Thanks for listening. Peace,

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