February 17, 2025 • 44 mins
Friend of the show and David Lynch superfan Liz Manashil joins us to discuss Lynch's influence on cinema history!
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Hey you all right? I hit record.
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Yeah, you may hear in the background this nice this
nice pleasant ambionce like we're not I don't know, maybe
like a coffee shop or something. Yes, and we're just
getting to hear you know. It's it's it's not an accident.
It's on purpose.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
It's supposed to.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
This is designed specifically so you feel like you're just
part of the conversation.
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We're just hanging out at a coffee shop.
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All yeah, this is there's a lot of fully artists
live the artists for you and bringing you into our world,
right yeah, bringing the listeners the world the storyteller.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yes, yeah, so Dustin, this is all your idea to
have this nice ambiance.
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How did you pull it off? Well, it's ironically.
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The folly artists are literally a click away, they're not
that far, which is hilarious that you bring up fully
because literally the sound of.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
The market is beyond the wall. I am sitting behind a.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Freezer at the Starbucks here, so that's what you're hearing.
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It is what it is.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I can't really do it over in the main building
because there's just too many LOOKI lose, but over here
in this corner, no one comes over here, so it's
like this is the best place to do it.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Are you illegally podcasting? Like if you were found out
right now, would you get in trouble?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
That's a great question. There's no way there's any like
I think there's any like illegal aspect of this is
just talking, So I don't think that there's really an issue.
Is it illegal to talk on your cell phone when
you're sitting in this place?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Because I see people do it all the time.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
There's no video, there's no video, so yeah, again, you're
not really illegally recording anything.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
You're not really saying anything that's stupid. So yeah, I
don't know, maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, next time, you just you just need to walk
into mister Warner's office and say I'm going to record
here today.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I'll be sure to do that.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Yeah, I'll be sure to walk right into mister Warner's
office because they're still alive.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
That's actually, that's actually what my mom always used to
say about Tyler Perry.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
He was like, just go just go ask him for
a job.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I was like, I'm still does that.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I'll do that, I'll do.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Is this the Georgia thing? Is it because the Georgia connection?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Itally here's this guy who has done really well for
himself as his own legitimate studio, and it's just like, Hey,
this guy's done all this, go ask him for a job.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
It's like, that's not how anything works.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
There's a whole process of going through bedding and doing.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
The whole online thing.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
But you know, if you were born in nineteen fifty,
you don't understand any of that.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So no, I think it's a film industry bias because
I get that kind of stuff all the time from
family members who are surprised when we are not employed,
and it's like, would you go up to Elon Musk
if you work in I don't know, astrophysics or tech
or whatever and just be like, hey, hire me. No,
So why would you go to a studio executive and
ask them, right, Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. But
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they that we don't live in the real world, so
that we can just traffic and unrealistic circumstances.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I think that's that's a very good point.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I mean, again, they can't really correlate what this industry
is versus other industries. But yeah, bring up Elon Mosko.
I would never ask him for a job. But that's
a very good point that you brought up.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, oh, thank you.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
But yeah, so basically the podcast and I I don't know.
I guess I was just thinking like I would just
bring everybody together and talk about David Lynch for an hour,
But ultimately Liz is the only one that showed up.
So I was more than happy to talk about Liz
and Lynch if that's okay with you, Liz.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Who else was invited? Who was part of this?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I just opened up to anyone, and which makes me
very sad.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Oh, it just really shows how much I like to
talk about myself. It's really reflective.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
That's my that's fine, that's why use Let's use the
passing of a great filmmaker to promote Liz Manischil and
her projects going forward.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I think that's a great idea. I love that. I
love that a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh, David Lynz.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I don't know, No, go ahead, Well.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I'm sitting here drinking out of my dharma is the
road coffee cup from the Twin Peaks season three because
a very specific esoteric David Lynch merch around our house.
Uh so I brought. I didn't even do it on purpose, Guys.
I drink it every day out of this cup.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
So it's a part of your DNA. Now.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I think it's a part of a lot of filmmakers DNA,
and we may not even realize it because this is
funny how we can make things and we're not even
necessarily thinking about something that we've seen before, but ultimately
it finds its way into the project. We were talking
to Osgar Perkins.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Weeks ago name I knew, I knew lizard freaking.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah, And I was just I was, you know, I
was bringing up Fincher and and you know, long Legs
and how that kind of felt like.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
You know, a David film. But he was.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
He was pretty much adamant about the idea that a
lot of what he liked in regards to Fincher's work
was his music videos, because he was a very prominent
music video maker back in the eighties and nineties before
were becoming a big time filmmaker. So I found that
very interesting because you can definitely see, like in something
like I don't know seven he brought that up. You
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can see a lot of elements to that, bringing into
that particular film and maybe not even realizing it or
even thinking about it. So, yeah, Lynch in particular, I
would think he's fairly difficult to imitate without people automatically
just pointing at it and say, oh, that's Lynch, because
he was such you know, his own cat and his
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own artist, that you can't not know that that's him
if you've seen any of his work.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well, if whenever I just see someone going into something
like a camera going into a some I think of
David Lynz. That's so adelible that and you know what
that impression an impression that made on me.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I mean it's clearly I could never do anything that
he did. That's how beautiful his work is. Like I
couldn't even remotely go to where he was able to go.
And I think more than anything he had, he had
the voice turned up to one hundred, which is ironic
considering his character in Twin Peaks.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
It's real life, that's who he is.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Like, this is me, this is what I want you
to see, and I'm gonna go over here and then
take you to this crazy world. And I just obviously
most filmmakers, I don't think, can even remotely attempt to
touch to touch.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
What did Chuck?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
How do you feel about I know that you love
David Lynch and we haven't really discussed it that much.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, well, I was actually gonna ask what we can
talk about? What our first introduction to Lynch? But so
I'll just go and start. Mine was actually Lost Highway.
I didn't see Twin Peaks. I missed it when it
came out. I probably would have loved it because you know,
it was into the X Files and stuff, but we
didn't have HBO, so I didn't. I didn't get to
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see Twin Peaks. So one day I just rented Lost Highway.
My buddy Jeff and I I think we did you know,
we're watching this. We're like, movies can do this, this
is allowed, what the hell's going on?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So we watched it again. We're like I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I still don't think we know what's going on, but
here's our theories, which I think is part of the
Lynch fun is the theories of like, Okay, here's what
I think is going on, and they're like all kind
of correct. So yeah, that was that was kind of
my bigger and then of course I saw Elephant Man
and and everything, but I still have actually never watched
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Twin Peaks the series. I've seen the movie, but I've
never seen the series.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Oh man, oh man.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, I mean, I've got some confessions on my own,
but in regards to not seeing Twin Peaks, like if
you've only seen Firewalk with Me Jesus Christ, that is
such a bleak film.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
So it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'm not saying that it's not great.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I'm just saying, like, compared to the show, the Frost
element I think brought some levity because what you see
in that first season of Twin Peaks and what you
see in that movie is a hell a lot darker
than where it eventually goes. And even you'd have to
say the reboot is is kind of in the same
or the continuation is kind of in the same ballpark
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as far as bleakness and darkness goes. But yeah, for
me personally, my first exposure to Lynch was Eraserhead was
on TV and I didn't know, I didn't know what
the hell it was, and all I could see was
like this weird looking, alien looking baby thing that would not.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Shut the fuck up. This is the most annoying film
I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
So I turned the channel and I want to say,
I want to say that I saw it some part
like portions of blue velvet, specifically like the Dennis Hopper stuff,
which I thought was really, you know, horrifying, and clearly
the film it's more than Dennis Hopper, but yeah, his
character was definitely something that stuck out with me.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
It's probably the same situation.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
It was something that was on TV and I was
just like watching him act like a maniac for two minutes.
But the first full film I think that I watched
off his was at Kennesaw and it was Lost Highway
WO So yeah, I think that's the first like.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Wall to wall.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Film that I saw of his, and it definitely like
it cracked my mind open, Like the main character in
the film is like, Wow, this is fucking amazing, So
then of course you go back and you start watching
the rest of his work. And I will say that
I have yet to see two of his films. One
is a Raserhead because of my reaction to it when
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I first saw a clip, It's like, this is so annoying.
And then the other one is Doomed because I always
heard that it was awful, so like, I'm not going
to watch it if it's like his worst film and
everyone says that it's terrible, and just to skip it.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
So that's my confession.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I've never seen a racer Head all the way through,
and I've never seen a single second of Doom.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I haven't gotten through Doom. Every time I start to
watch you and I fall asleep, so I play. You know,
I feel real bad about a video that, but it's true.
And I would say, if you don't watch Eraserhead, Gilmore
Girls does an amazing parody of a raser Head that
I would encourage you to watch, especially being on the
Warner Brothers.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, that is that is the biggest ip that we
have here. Good without question, And I've seen I've seen,
you know, the YouTube clips of them talking about David Lynch,
and I've reposted some of that myself. But that's another
thing that I've never seen.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Wall the Wall. It is Gilmore. Also there's another.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Confession that's another show. But I love the show as well.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chuck is seeing that show, I think
a little bit, right, Yeah, I started watching it more
now because I apparently the the show is basically like
ADHD the person.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
So so I I after.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
My diagnosis, I was like just looking at stuff like that,
and I was so interesting and I do get it,
like I absolutely get it. And I've actually started watching
the first season recently just because I mean, it's it's
it's a really well written show, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I mean, people love it, dude.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
You'd be shocked how many people around the country just
absolutely are obsessed with this particular show. Yeah, it's it's
it's nuts because again, and being who I am, you
don't really think about shows like that, especially if they're
on like the CW or WV or whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
That's not really my wheelhouse, not even the DC stuff
that they were making.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
So when that comes to me and it's like, oh,
this is the biggest thing ever it was, it was
quite shocking. Like Friends to me makes more sense even
though I'm not a huge fan of that show. Friends
makes more sense to me than the Gilmour does. But yeah,
it's a phenomenon, it really is.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It's a massive Well, there's an episode where the character Kirk,
who's the oddball of the town, makes a short film
that's black and white that I think is a pretty
obvious reference to Razor Head. So highly recommend you watch it.
But I have to pull up my street cred, my
David Lynch street cred right now. So I founded and
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ran a screening group in college called Splice, and I
believe we showed the Twin Peaks pilot, like the European
version that we rented up Blockbuster.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
We've read in all our movies at Blockbuster. For this
green group, I believe it was of GHS. And then
since then I did a class I've bin Well and Lynch.
I organized a trip to Iowa for my film class
to go meet David Lynch in college. I've been to Peaksfest.
When I was pregnant with my first child, we had
the David Lynch book signing in Los Angeles. My dog
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was named Laura Palm and she died six weeks before
David Lynch does Guy so I always that is the
only solace I have is that they are together. Even
though I don't believe God and an after, I like
to think that there, if there is one, they're together.
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But David Lynch's I think David Lynch to me made
me feel comfortable that I didn't always have the answers
for why I wanted to do something and so many
other because he was like, and I went to USC
and the USC you always have to have answers for everything.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Or you get pushed back.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, you get pushed back in a way that makes
you start to doubt yourself or at least for me,
you mean me start to doubt myself and.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Even your attitude about that. So that's my I.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Wish I want that attitude. I wish you could give
me that attitude. But I think he was all about
trusting your instincts above all, and that is such that's
unfortunately very unique for the American filmmaking system. I think
it's very hard to see.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Oh yeah, there are times that I wish I was
born in Europe specifically for that very reason, Like it's
just so much more open outside of the US, because
everything here is about the capitalist system and how much
money something can make, And clearly Lynch's stuff is something
that should be hanging in an art museum, Like he
is a painter, that's who he is, and you either
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enjoy that kind of stuff or you don't. And again,
we live in this this country of ours that clearly
has no interest in gazing.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Into what could be.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So yeah, not to bring down the room, but essentially
that's that's how I feel about it when it comes
to why he's not a bigger deal among your average Joe.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I mean, we're all film people, so clearly we love.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Him because we understand where he's coming from, and we've
seen the documentaries and maybe his interviews, so yeah, he's
just he was a great filmmaker, and clearly the people that.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Work with him loved him like they loved him.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
And that's you don't hear that a lot from people
that work in the industry, Like it's either you just
show up, you punch in, you do the job, and
you leave and you never talk to him again, or
you you have some poor situation and eventually that comes
out later down the road. But it seems like everybody,
to a man, woman child loved David Luch like he
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was just the absolute shit.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
So yeah, anyway, because.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
He embraced it all right, It's like you would hear
these stories because we did this thing and Justin I
don't know if you were there, and Chuck, I know
you weren't, but USC had these screenings of twin Peaks
with special guests. Okay, yeah, we went to every single one.
That was amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I think I missed one.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, And I remember hearing the stories of like the
light would break in the middle of a take and
they and he'd be like, no, we're using it. We're
not fixing that light, right, so killer, Yes, incorporating the
mistake to like an abundant degree is so cool. Like again,
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it's like in an industry where you're terrified to do
anything wrong, He's like, something went wrong, let's celebrate the
thing that went wrong and let's exalt it. That is
like really exciting to me.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, I mean there are no mistakes. I guess his
sort of his mentality. If it happens, it happens for
a reason.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Just go with it. Like he was someone that was
in tune with the universe. Yeah. Again, because everybody else
has got it.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
They got to do their basically they take art and
they turn it into science, or they try to and
it's not the same thing.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
It's just not.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
So you either fill it, you go with the vibe,
use the four so to speak, or you fight against
it and try to do it by the numbers. And
a lot of filmmakers in this country try to do
it by numbers and the scs in the same situation,
No doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah anything, Yeah, do you do you think that's his
lasting legacy? Like, uh, I don't know, Like anybody who's
watched films for a film festival knows just how influential
he was because you you'll see so many, especially college students,
make it essentially a Lynch film.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
There, It's been so many of seed over the years.
I can't even count them.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And I mean this is years and years past Lynch
prime or anything.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But it's just like, is that you.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Think that's the legac see to have that those kind
of enigmatic kind of films or is it the kind
of stuff you type about, like it's you know, just
go do it kind of thing and make it happen.
What do you think his legacy is?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I think it's that dream logic, right, It's like you
watch any sort of David Lynch movie or show that
he had more control over. It's like Twin Peaks season
one is a different story, but it feels like you're
on a journey and you're never gonna get to the
answer you want to get to, but you still feel
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very secure and safe wherever he's taking you. And Twin
Peaks season one, like, I'm not the expert on it,
but there was a lot of oversight with that and
they really wanted to find who killed Laura Palmer. And
then season two went off the rails for many different reasons.
But I still love it. But for me, it's that
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feeling of unconvention, unconventional narrative while not being too masturbatory, right,
It's like without just like doing things could you want
to there's actually still this narrative threat. It's just not
a conventional narrative to me.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah, he actually, according to him, he left the show
more or less after the first season because of the
pressure to answer the question that he'd ever wanted to answer,
which is who killed Laura Palmer. Like he wanted the
show to be about this town. It was never supposed
to be a murder mystery that ultimately got solved. So
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he went on sid to make that film with Nicolas
Cage's that's.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Basically just the wisitdal Well?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
That Heart.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
So good.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
That's an amazing film too.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
If you haven't seen that one, that one, I think
it's like that's his hit and gym people don't talk
about that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Film really well. The Heart is fantastic if you haven't
seen it.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
But anyway, he went off to make that and though
his names attached to the second season, he had less
to do with it than the first season of the show,
which is why I'm telling Chuck earlier. If you watch
Firewalk with Me and you watch the first season, you
know the tone is kind of similar. Though the film
is very bleak, the tone is similar, whereas the tone
kind of shifts into you know, quasi comedy in the
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second season, despite the fact that you come to.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Find out who actually did the deed.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
As far as legacies go, for me personally, I think
it's I do think it has to do with dream logic. Absolutely,
I agree with Liz, but I also think his lasting
legacy what I was talking about earlier, his ability to
straight up not care what the industry at large thinks,
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care what critics think, and just to go out there
and paint what he wants to paint and put that
out into the world and have them interpret it how
they interpret it, because that's the ultimate thing with being
an artist. As pretentious as it sounds, when you put
your art out there, it's no longer yours. It's how
people interpret it. Even if you're just doing something like
A to B two C, like a regular random American film,
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people might interpret it a different way than what you intend.
I for sure felt that, like I've made something in
like half the audience is laughing and the other half.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Isn't really reacting at all.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
So it's very interesting to see how that works out.
But for him specifically, I think him just being this
bad ass that doesn't give up a fuck.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
He's gonna do it his way.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
And even if you ask him what this is about,
he's going to tell you no. Like to me, that's
what it is, a bad asset.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Everybody looks Can anyone do that today? I mean, That's
what I'm thinking about, is he grew an emerged in
a time when he's been like seven years on a
racer head, right, He's spent like a very long time
in that movie, and he proved himself right out the
gate and people started to trust him and give him money.
But if you're waffling, if you're if you're making him
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Maure movies, and as you develop your craft, you're not
given that latitude at all today, Like you're no one's
going to come on to fund your movie, but they
are going to support David Lynch exploring whatever he wants
to explore because he has a proven track record at
prestige film festivals even commercially. Yeah, so it's like I
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think he he has like the perfect timeline of a
career because he was allowed to he earned it, but
he earned it out the gate. And I don't think
we're allowed to just make whatever we want right now
if we're looking for funding from the system. No.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I mean he came in I guess erasay was what
seventy nine somewhere in there, So he was coming into
you know, the world as an artist, as a filmmaker
around the same time that you know, the Lucases and
the Spielbergs are changing it. And now we're in this
monster that we're in now still apparently this day, which
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is the quote unquote blockbuster area, even though that seems
to be waning quite a bit these days thanks to
the Internet and streaming.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
But I don't know. I mean, like at the same
point in time.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Though obviously it costs a shit ton of money to
make a film, especially a quality film. Now, I think
because of the Internet and because of the tools that
are laid out in front of us, I think we
could potentially do what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
It's just a matter of.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
How it gets distributed, and you know more about that
than we do, clearly, But I do think you're onto
something there.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
It's like the David Lynch project.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
You know, it's like slapping on him night Shyamalan's whatever,
except David Lynch didn't you know, do that with his films.
But yes, I understand what you're saying, Like this is,
this is a known product quote unquote, and people respect it,
people like it, so they're going to go with it
and they can sell it. Ahll time, you're your one
hundred and ten percent correct. So yeah, if you don't
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have if you don't have the idea logic of okay,
so this is a product everyone knows and loves, it's
easy to sell to people, then yeah, it can be
damn near impossible. But yeah, that was actually something else
I was going to tell you about how's distribution doing this?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I mean, do you know me, Like when am I
going to say something positive about distribution. It's not good.
It's not getting better. Though, I have to say, I
have a client, I you know, my producer's rap. I
got a bunch of offers for them. None of them
were like good, great offers, but they were offers, and
they decided to self distribute, and they made way more
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than they would have made had they worked any of that.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
That's what I'm saying. So where did they self distribute to? Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Bit Max?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Okay, yeah, okay, so there you go. So I mean,
that's what I'm saying. Like even still, there are there
are ways, and.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
There's no guarantees in anything, but there are ways to
get around the system trying to fuck you over, trying
to annihilate your baby, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
So I don't know, Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
It's a grassroots thing. I think it's a grassroots thing.
Like and that's why my whole thing in my mentor
like Peter Brodderck's whole thing is always like gather email
addresses or build your audience person by person, because you're
not going to beat them with large license fees from
a Hulu or Netflix if you don't have a known
entity like you're talking about, So then you have to
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beat them through individual transactions and through a volume play
with distribution. And it's exhausting, but I mean it is
the only way to counteract the system, like you're talking about,
or you make skin Marink you know, well, actually.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
You know what that's Uh, here's the thing that particular
film I think is very polarizing. Yeah, but bless them
for making a film, lessons for.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Getting a distribution at that wider range. Good for them
for doing that.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
I don't know if they've done anything else since then,
but you know, to each their own. I think I
personally thought it was interesting. I can see why people
would be born out of their minds and wanting to
leave the theater, but prete personally, I thought.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And I mean that's a pretty direct line from Lynch
to to skin a marine.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Yeah, is it art?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (27:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, I mean yeah, so actually you mentioned something about
hidden gems. What is what is the what is your
personal hidden Lynch gym? That that maybe not be the
most popular, but you love it the most.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
On the Air. M David Lynch did a sitcom, a
very short lived sitcom called on the Air. It has
a couple actors from Twin Peaks, kind of more fringe
actors from Twin Peaks, and it's really really weird because
you take the camp of David Lanch and you push
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it so far that you are in a sitcom, but
they're not. It doesn't follow like the joke joke pattern
of a sitcom. It just is a weird, elevated state
of reality with lots of bright lights that looks like
a sitcom. I don't know anyone who adores it. I
have a T shirt call that my husband got me
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for the Lester Guy Show. That's the show within the
show on the air. Because I'm a big, big David Lynchener,
so encourage you'll check it out.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I have yet to do that. I will definitely do
that now. Thank you so very much for that.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I think I've already said it.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I think while the Heart doesn't get enough love, it's
just it's Willem Dafoe is.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Insane in that movie, like that character alone.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I mean, you think about Dennis Hopper character in Blue Velvet,
Willem Dafoe has got to be the most sinister thing
that Lynch has come up with. He's come up with
some sinister motherfuckers, let me tell you. Yeah, it's just
it's a crazy film. And again it's just his version
of Wizard of Oz, so if you haven't seen it,
and also it's again it's got Nick Cage in.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
You Need Need and Lord.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Dern's in it too, and she's gorgeous, so yeah, and
she's a great actor too.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
So anything that's got Lord Dern.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
And David Lynch, Nicholas Cage and Willem Dafoe, how can
you go wrong.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
I don't think you can go wrong. I think it's fantastic.
So yeah, if you haven't seen that, check it out.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Nice. I'm I'm I'm not sure what mine is?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Do you even like David Lynch? Like? Are you even
here for a reason?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
CHUNCHU is here? Chuck saw Inland Empire in the theater,
So I.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Did to Chuck. I thought in the theater's by myself
in an empty theater.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I think it was me and a friend and that
was we want to be.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
That's probably the only thing that I've seen by him
that I was like, I don't care for this.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, okay, it's a task.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
It is a task. I'm not gonna lie. It is
a task. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
And it felt a little redundant after Mulholland Drive, like
it felt like he was tackling the same kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I think that's the other problem.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Like Muholland Drive is so fucking good, Like it's so good,
it's it's a damn near perfect film. If it isn't perfect,
and I think it might, there will be a perfect film.
So when you follow it up with Inland Empire, which
is kind of like a longer, stranger, less beautiful version.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Of that with a musical number, yeah, Dustin with a
song I think from deck in It Maybe Black Tambourine
is that.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
From I think?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
So? I think I will look it up right now. Sorry,
I just want it.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Wait, so I've seen it one time.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
But answer your own question, what what is your hidden
gym that no one likes to talk about?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Well before I wouldn't have said this, but apparently Lost
Highway is not as popular as most of his other stuff.
So it feels cheating because I love that movie, but
apparently it's divisive.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
For a lot of people. So I have to say
that I guess.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I mean, I think it's it's I think it's great.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I think some people probably if they wanted answers to
the question, because I mean, even if you look at
his other stuff, it's not as.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Out there or crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
There is a certain amount of wrapping up, at least
on some level, with a nice bow, even though it's
a bow that you've.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Never seen before. Yeah, Lost Highway doesn't do that.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
It doesn't give you answers. It's like, interpret this is
the way that you feel. I have my own interpretation
of it. I think it's about a man that's split
in half who doesn't remember, you know, killing his wife.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
And if you listen to.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Some of the interviews from Lynch about the film, he
was basically just making the O. J. Simpson story with
these characters. Yeah, so that's that's how I interpret the film.
But if people are to interpret it a different way,
that's fine too. I think it's I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Plus you never feel like it's it's not on purpose,
you know, like you watch a lot of post Lynch films,
the people who are trying to copy it, and you're like, no,
you're not quite getting it. Like we're confused when we
watched Lynch movies mostly, but we never feel like we're
just lost out in space. I always feel like, who's
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trying to show us something? We're just too stupid to
get it.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Well, again, it goes back to that guy asking him
about what he means by its.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Faith based film or religious film being a racer head.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
He's like, no, so it's just like it doesn't it
doesn't really matter exactly what Lynch feels about it.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
That's the point.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
It's like, what do you feel about it? How are
you interpreting this? This is his painting. You take it
as you take it. But yeah, that's that's you know,
like most of his things. That's a great movie and
the like I told you, it's the first film that
I saw wall to wall. But anyway, I think Liz
was gonna.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Say something, No, I'm just on his IMDb page, just
looking at things.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Research I forgot about I forget about the Straight Story.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, I would forget about that one.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, most people do, because it's like the most non
Lynch Lynch movie. But then you watch and you're like, oh, yeah,
you can do Disney. Like I didn't realize, but you
really can do Disney.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I never you know why. I take that back.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
That's another film of his that I haven't seen. I've
never seen that film, so maybe that's the hidden Gym.
We just still't know it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I think the hidden Jim is him playing John Ford
and the Feebleman's Yeah, A great is that? Like I
watched that clip after he died. I was like, this
is fantastic moment.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I mean, I'll be honest with you, I personally love
that film. Yeah, not a lot of people. I mean
there were some people that were just sort of rolling
their eyes at it because I was just Steven spielbre
making a film by himself. But for me, I loved it.
Like he he even brings in like the usc stuff
in that film, which I thought was fantastic. He's playing Conquest.
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Why he's got this blonde hair, blue eyed guy running track.
It's like, I know what you're doing because I know
how they treated you and how they didn't let you
into school and they rejected you three times because you're Jewish.
So that stuff I thought was really very interesting. But
when Lynch comes on screens like this is a home
run game over, this is this is top five school
work films ever made.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Well, like, who are you going to cast in that role? Right?
It's a living I don't know, master filmmaker. That would
be David Lynch. Like it's such a great tribute to
him to say that, like he is so important that
he could play john Ford. Like that's a very wonderful
compliment to him.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I think, even though john Ford, but that's just me.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I don't know. I can't even make an argument because
I've not seen a good number of john Ford films.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I think it's it's in, it's in the scene. It's like,
where's the horizon, that's john Ford. Yeah, that's john Ford.
So yeah, Lynch head and shoulders above, with all due
respect if there's anybody that's so alive from the Florida State,
with all the respect David Lynch. Before we go, because
we're running out of time, I do want to talk
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a little bit about Liz and how she's doing and
what's going on in her life right now. I know
now we're transitioning over from David Lynch, which yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Think you know, this is the lead in so Lynch
opened for you and now you were.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
To be but show thence final death.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, So what's going on with me?
Speaker 7 (36:06):
That's the question.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
You've got a film coming up, don't you? Am? I crazy?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I'm making I'm making my third feature in jer Yeah.
It's called Best Friends Forever. Though we're looking for another title.
I'm trying to if you can think of one right now.
It really helped me out, Guys. I'm looking for a
title that's similar to I Spit on Your Grave. I
just think I Spin on Your Grave is like the best,
and I want something like And we were talking with
(36:31):
my husband about this morning. We're like, I don't think
she ever spits on the grave. So it's figurative, right,
you could do something figurative. Uh, it's a horror comedy. Yeah,
it's a horror comedy where everyone dies, and it's cast
with comedians from the UCB sketch world. Nice because I
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when I worked with Bobby moynihana my first feature, it
was just the most delightful experience and I'm just want
to replicate that. And I think a lot of it
could be working with comedians who are used to thinking
on their feet and are open to play in the
sandbox that is a film set, because I think sometimes
you work with actors from different mediums and there's a
(37:19):
little bit less flexibility. I'd say, So I'm working, I
want to play on this one. That's what we're doing,
making a movie. It's gonna be a very short shoot.
There's going to be blood, gore, stunt sentence on a
micro budget. So we're somehow trying to make the impossible possible.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Well, you've done it twice before, so I guess maybe
you could do it again. I don't know, maybe I'm those.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Didn't have stunts, those didn't have gore. I'm really like
trying to up the anni. But this has a slightly
bigger budget than those, so I'm hoping that we could
make it happen.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Still, So to go off the UCB stuff, what you're
saying is you don't want to work with somebody like
Jereby Strong, then no.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I mean, if you wanted to work with me, of course,
I'd be like, please, Deby s I'll do anything for you.
But I'm I'm a beggar, not a chooser, right, And
so as someone who's casting in my Cropreditt film, where
everyone's being paid scale. I we're trying to find people
who are open to that. And then I like this
script and very proud of script. It was written with
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Amy Taylor, who's been on this show and is an amazing,
amazing writer, and I want to use the script as
a blueprint, but I want to also play with the
idea of like what happens if we open it up
a little bit too, And again, improv actors would be
the strongest team to bring new things to light into
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the film.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Curb your enthusiasm. I love it.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yes, yes, except for I don't think we're going to
do that camera but yes, very active camera.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
What you chuck?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I'm sorry, I think I cut you off.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
No, no, I'm just it's just very exciting that we're
getting another Manischel film. Every time I see someone say
something about, uh, you know when David Bowie died that
changed history, and I was like, yeah, there was a
movie about it.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
No one watches the movie about it. Though I'm very
proud of that film, I wish we could have taken
that idea to its logical conclusion and made it all
about David Bowie's impact and whatever. But it's not you
know it's just a cool, cool premise, but I do
get around January every single year. I get a few
(39:32):
Instagram messages from people who were like, I saw meme
about how David Bowie's death broke the world, and I'm like, Yep,
that's not an original idea from me. Someone else thought
of it and I took it.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Well. I mean that's another thing too, Like just.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
David Bowie passing away in twenty sixteen and where we've
gone to since then, it's kind of difficult to argue
against that logic.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah, clearly Bowie was a big deal to a lot
of people.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Especially you live, and also his relationship and what he
did with Lynch, because again he's far awall with me.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yep, that's right, and the dream logic of his songs,
like if you Saw God? What is that amazing documentary
they had on him like two years ago? Yeah, it
was nuts. I saw an Alimol draft house and it
was like, the sounds insane. Anyway. He was talking about
how like his lyrics don't really mean anything. They are
a collage of different words that sound good together, that
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go with the melody, and that it really feels like
it rings true with the David Lynch collection. It's like
you're taken on a journey. There's something you can be
able to, you could grab onto, but it's not solid
round ever for Dave Lynch or David Bowie. And I'm
drawn to those kind of artists, right, the ones that
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allow you to look elsewhere, not just at the screen
for literal storytelling, but like, can I go within myself?
Can I think about this movie for days to come?
I think with the song for Days to Come? Bringing
a little bit more depth into art.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
And the name of that documentary is Moonage day Dream.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
You can find dream, good song, good song, good movie.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Great movie, nice mind blowing film.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Really yeah, well, yes, we're wrapping up in Liz, wh
Where do we find information about you and your film
and all your stuff, all your websites and if you
have any social media's left?
Speaker 3 (41:35):
There is no Yeah, I have all the social I'm
not giving up. I'm on all the social media's, every
single one, and you could just contact me. There is
no other Liz Manichelle on earth as far as I know,
So you just look up Liz. I know. I'm like,
someone's gonna be bored right now. Well I'm right now
(41:57):
as of this moment. Knock on wood, you know, February twelfth.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Am, West Coast Market.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Look Liz Manchelle anywhere or something similar to the word
Liz Manchelle, You'll probably find me.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Nice. How about you? Where do we find you?
Speaker 4 (42:14):
LinkedIn?
Speaker 8 (42:15):
Linked and LinkedIn?
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Was that a LinkedIn robot? What was a monster?
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Nothing is a LinkedIn robot?
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Yeah, robot.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
So basically every that's the running joke, like if O'Brien
has the Mac.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
And Me joke, Yes, yes, joke. He asked me where
you can find me, and I always say LinkedIn.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
No one uses like I barely I go to LinkedIn
right now. It's not fun. It feels very it feels
like homework to log It's a link it's a it's.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
A resume, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I think people the only people who log in there
specifically talk about how they're abusing their employees. So they
post on there like that's all they post about on
LinkedIn path.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
But yeah, I know, we got to get out of here.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
So Liz, thanks again, thank you for hopping on the show.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
It's always great to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
Very much.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Sorry, it's such a bad reason to have a podcast.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
But you know what happens. Life goes on. So everybody
go watch the Lynch films.
Speaker 5 (43:20):
Yeah, go watch David Lynch and go see Liz's film
when it comes out.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
I guess.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
Thank you, no worries, Thank you, Thanks.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hey you all right? I hit record.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, you may hear in the background this nice this
nice pleasant ambionce like we're not I don't know, maybe
like a coffee shop or something. Yes, and we're just
getting to hear you know. It's it's it's not an accident.
It's on purpose.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
It's supposed to.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
This is designed specifically so you feel like you're just
part of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
We're just hanging out at a coffee shop.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
All yeah, this is there's a lot of fully artists
live the artists for you and bringing you into our world,
right yeah, bringing the listeners the world the storyteller.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yes, yeah, so Dustin, this is all your idea to
have this nice ambiance.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
How did you pull it off? Well, it's ironically.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
The folly artists are literally a click away, they're not
that far, which is hilarious that you bring up fully
because literally the sound of.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
The market is beyond the wall. I am sitting behind a.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Freezer at the Starbucks here, so that's what you're hearing.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
It is what it is.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I can't really do it over in the main building
because there's just too many LOOKI lose, but over here
in this corner, no one comes over here, so it's
like this is the best place to do it.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Are you illegally podcasting? Like if you were found out
right now, would you get in trouble?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
That's a great question. There's no way there's any like
I think there's any like illegal aspect of this is
just talking, So I don't think that there's really an issue.
Is it illegal to talk on your cell phone when
you're sitting in this place?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Because I see people do it all the time.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
There's no video, there's no video, so yeah, again, you're
not really illegally recording anything.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
You're not really saying anything that's stupid. So yeah, I
don't know, maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, next time, you just you just need to walk
into mister Warner's office and say I'm going to record
here today.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I'll be sure to do that.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Yeah, I'll be sure to walk right into mister Warner's
office because they're still alive.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
That's actually, that's actually what my mom always used to
say about Tyler Perry.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
He was like, just go just go ask him for
a job.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I was like, I'm still does that.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I'll do that, I'll do.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Is this the Georgia thing? Is it because the Georgia connection?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Itally here's this guy who has done really well for
himself as his own legitimate studio, and it's just like, Hey,
this guy's done all this, go ask him for a job.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
It's like, that's not how anything works.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
There's a whole process of going through bedding and doing.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
The whole online thing.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
But you know, if you were born in nineteen fifty,
you don't understand any of that.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So no, I think it's a film industry bias because
I get that kind of stuff all the time from
family members who are surprised when we are not employed,
and it's like, would you go up to Elon Musk
if you work in I don't know, astrophysics or tech
or whatever and just be like, hey, hire me. No,
So why would you go to a studio executive and
ask them, right, Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. But
(03:59):
they that we don't live in the real world, so
that we can just traffic and unrealistic circumstances.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I think that's that's a very good point.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I mean, again, they can't really correlate what this industry
is versus other industries. But yeah, bring up Elon Mosko.
I would never ask him for a job. But that's
a very good point that you brought up.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, oh, thank you.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
But yeah, so basically the podcast and I I don't know.
I guess I was just thinking like I would just
bring everybody together and talk about David Lynch for an hour,
But ultimately Liz is the only one that showed up.
So I was more than happy to talk about Liz
and Lynch if that's okay with you, Liz.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Who else was invited? Who was part of this?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I just opened up to anyone, and which makes me
very sad.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Oh, it just really shows how much I like to
talk about myself. It's really reflective.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
That's my that's fine, that's why use Let's use the
passing of a great filmmaker to promote Liz Manischil and
her projects going forward.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I think that's a great idea. I love that. I
love that a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh, David Lynz.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I don't know, No, go ahead, Well.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I'm sitting here drinking out of my dharma is the
road coffee cup from the Twin Peaks season three because
a very specific esoteric David Lynch merch around our house.
Uh so I brought. I didn't even do it on purpose, Guys.
I drink it every day out of this cup.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
So it's a part of your DNA. Now.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I think it's a part of a lot of filmmakers DNA,
and we may not even realize it because this is
funny how we can make things and we're not even
necessarily thinking about something that we've seen before, but ultimately
it finds its way into the project. We were talking
to Osgar Perkins.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Weeks ago name I knew, I knew lizard freaking.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah, And I was just I was, you know, I
was bringing up Fincher and and you know, long Legs
and how that kind of felt like.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
You know, a David film. But he was.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
He was pretty much adamant about the idea that a
lot of what he liked in regards to Fincher's work
was his music videos, because he was a very prominent
music video maker back in the eighties and nineties before
were becoming a big time filmmaker. So I found that
very interesting because you can definitely see, like in something
like I don't know seven he brought that up. You
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can see a lot of elements to that, bringing into
that particular film and maybe not even realizing it or
even thinking about it. So, yeah, Lynch in particular, I
would think he's fairly difficult to imitate without people automatically
just pointing at it and say, oh, that's Lynch, because
he was such you know, his own cat and his
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own artist, that you can't not know that that's him
if you've seen any of his work.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well, if whenever I just see someone going into something
like a camera going into a some I think of
David Lynz. That's so adelible that and you know what
that impression an impression that made on me.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I mean it's clearly I could never do anything that
he did. That's how beautiful his work is. Like I
couldn't even remotely go to where he was able to go.
And I think more than anything he had, he had
the voice turned up to one hundred, which is ironic
considering his character in Twin Peaks.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
It's real life, that's who he is.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Like, this is me, this is what I want you
to see, and I'm gonna go over here and then
take you to this crazy world. And I just obviously
most filmmakers, I don't think, can even remotely attempt to
touch to touch.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
What did Chuck?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
How do you feel about I know that you love
David Lynch and we haven't really discussed it that much.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, well, I was actually gonna ask what we can
talk about? What our first introduction to Lynch? But so
I'll just go and start. Mine was actually Lost Highway.
I didn't see Twin Peaks. I missed it when it
came out. I probably would have loved it because you know,
it was into the X Files and stuff, but we
didn't have HBO, so I didn't. I didn't get to
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see Twin Peaks. So one day I just rented Lost Highway.
My buddy Jeff and I I think we did you know,
we're watching this. We're like, movies can do this, this
is allowed, what the hell's going on?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So we watched it again. We're like I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I still don't think we know what's going on, but
here's our theories, which I think is part of the
Lynch fun is the theories of like, Okay, here's what
I think is going on, and they're like all kind
of correct. So yeah, that was that was kind of
my bigger and then of course I saw Elephant Man
and and everything, but I still have actually never watched
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Twin Peaks the series. I've seen the movie, but I've
never seen the series.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Oh man, oh man.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, I mean, I've got some confessions on my own,
but in regards to not seeing Twin Peaks, like if
you've only seen Firewalk with Me Jesus Christ, that is
such a bleak film.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
So it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'm not saying that it's not great.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I'm just saying, like, compared to the show, the Frost
element I think brought some levity because what you see
in that first season of Twin Peaks and what you
see in that movie is a hell a lot darker
than where it eventually goes. And even you'd have to
say the reboot is is kind of in the same
or the continuation is kind of in the same ballpark
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as far as bleakness and darkness goes. But yeah, for
me personally, my first exposure to Lynch was Eraserhead was
on TV and I didn't know, I didn't know what
the hell it was, and all I could see was
like this weird looking, alien looking baby thing that would not.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Shut the fuck up. This is the most annoying film
I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
So I turned the channel and I want to say,
I want to say that I saw it some part
like portions of blue velvet, specifically like the Dennis Hopper stuff,
which I thought was really, you know, horrifying, and clearly
the film it's more than Dennis Hopper, but yeah, his
character was definitely something that stuck out with me.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
It's probably the same situation.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
It was something that was on TV and I was
just like watching him act like a maniac for two minutes.
But the first full film I think that I watched
off his was at Kennesaw and it was Lost Highway
WO So yeah, I think that's the first like.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Wall to wall.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Film that I saw of his, and it definitely like
it cracked my mind open, Like the main character in
the film is like, Wow, this is fucking amazing, So
then of course you go back and you start watching
the rest of his work. And I will say that
I have yet to see two of his films. One
is a Raserhead because of my reaction to it when
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I first saw a clip, It's like, this is so annoying.
And then the other one is Doomed because I always
heard that it was awful, so like, I'm not going
to watch it if it's like his worst film and
everyone says that it's terrible, and just to skip it.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
So that's my confession.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I've never seen a racer Head all the way through,
and I've never seen a single second of Doom.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I haven't gotten through Doom. Every time I start to
watch you and I fall asleep, so I play. You know,
I feel real bad about a video that, but it's true.
And I would say, if you don't watch Eraserhead, Gilmore
Girls does an amazing parody of a raser Head that
I would encourage you to watch, especially being on the
Warner Brothers.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, that is that is the biggest ip that we
have here. Good without question, And I've seen I've seen,
you know, the YouTube clips of them talking about David Lynch,
and I've reposted some of that myself. But that's another
thing that I've never seen.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Wall the Wall. It is Gilmore. Also there's another.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Confession that's another show. But I love the show as well.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chuck is seeing that show, I think
a little bit, right, Yeah, I started watching it more
now because I apparently the the show is basically like
ADHD the person.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
So so I I after.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
My diagnosis, I was like just looking at stuff like that,
and I was so interesting and I do get it,
like I absolutely get it. And I've actually started watching
the first season recently just because I mean, it's it's
it's a really well written show, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I mean, people love it, dude.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
You'd be shocked how many people around the country just
absolutely are obsessed with this particular show. Yeah, it's it's
it's nuts because again, and being who I am, you
don't really think about shows like that, especially if they're
on like the CW or WV or whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
That's not really my wheelhouse, not even the DC stuff
that they were making.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
So when that comes to me and it's like, oh,
this is the biggest thing ever it was, it was
quite shocking. Like Friends to me makes more sense even
though I'm not a huge fan of that show. Friends
makes more sense to me than the Gilmour does. But yeah,
it's a phenomenon, it really is.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It's a massive Well, there's an episode where the character Kirk,
who's the oddball of the town, makes a short film
that's black and white that I think is a pretty
obvious reference to Razor Head. So highly recommend you watch it.
But I have to pull up my street cred, my
David Lynch street cred right now. So I founded and
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ran a screening group in college called Splice, and I
believe we showed the Twin Peaks pilot, like the European
version that we rented up Blockbuster.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
We've read in all our movies at Blockbuster. For this
green group, I believe it was of GHS. And then
since then I did a class I've bin Well and Lynch.
I organized a trip to Iowa for my film class
to go meet David Lynch in college. I've been to Peaksfest.
When I was pregnant with my first child, we had
the David Lynch book signing in Los Angeles. My dog
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was named Laura Palm and she died six weeks before
David Lynch does Guy so I always that is the
only solace I have is that they are together. Even
though I don't believe God and an after, I like
to think that there, if there is one, they're together.
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But David Lynch's I think David Lynch to me made
me feel comfortable that I didn't always have the answers
for why I wanted to do something and so many
other because he was like, and I went to USC
and the USC you always have to have answers for everything.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Or you get pushed back.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, you get pushed back in a way that makes
you start to doubt yourself or at least for me,
you mean me start to doubt myself and.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Even your attitude about that. So that's my I.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Wish I want that attitude. I wish you could give
me that attitude. But I think he was all about
trusting your instincts above all, and that is such that's
unfortunately very unique for the American filmmaking system. I think
it's very hard to see.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Oh yeah, there are times that I wish I was
born in Europe specifically for that very reason, Like it's
just so much more open outside of the US, because
everything here is about the capitalist system and how much
money something can make, And clearly Lynch's stuff is something
that should be hanging in an art museum, Like he
is a painter, that's who he is, and you either
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enjoy that kind of stuff or you don't. And again,
we live in this this country of ours that clearly
has no interest in gazing.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Into what could be.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So yeah, not to bring down the room, but essentially
that's that's how I feel about it when it comes
to why he's not a bigger deal among your average Joe.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I mean, we're all film people, so clearly we love.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Him because we understand where he's coming from, and we've
seen the documentaries and maybe his interviews, so yeah, he's
just he was a great filmmaker, and clearly the people that.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Work with him loved him like they loved him.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
And that's you don't hear that a lot from people
that work in the industry, Like it's either you just
show up, you punch in, you do the job, and
you leave and you never talk to him again, or
you you have some poor situation and eventually that comes
out later down the road. But it seems like everybody,
to a man, woman child loved David Luch like he
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was just the absolute shit.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
So yeah, anyway, because.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
He embraced it all right, It's like you would hear
these stories because we did this thing and Justin I
don't know if you were there, and Chuck, I know
you weren't, but USC had these screenings of twin Peaks
with special guests. Okay, yeah, we went to every single one.
That was amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I think I missed one.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, And I remember hearing the stories of like the
light would break in the middle of a take and
they and he'd be like, no, we're using it. We're
not fixing that light, right, so killer, Yes, incorporating the
mistake to like an abundant degree is so cool. Like again,
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it's like in an industry where you're terrified to do
anything wrong, He's like, something went wrong, let's celebrate the
thing that went wrong and let's exalt it. That is
like really exciting to me.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, I mean there are no mistakes. I guess his
sort of his mentality. If it happens, it happens for
a reason.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Just go with it. Like he was someone that was
in tune with the universe. Yeah. Again, because everybody else
has got it.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
They got to do their basically they take art and
they turn it into science, or they try to and
it's not the same thing.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
It's just not.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
So you either fill it, you go with the vibe,
use the four so to speak, or you fight against
it and try to do it by the numbers. And
a lot of filmmakers in this country try to do
it by numbers and the scs in the same situation,
No doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah anything, Yeah, do you do you think that's his
lasting legacy? Like, uh, I don't know, Like anybody who's
watched films for a film festival knows just how influential
he was because you you'll see so many, especially college students,
make it essentially a Lynch film.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
There, It's been so many of seed over the years.
I can't even count them.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And I mean this is years and years past Lynch
prime or anything.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But it's just like, is that you.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Think that's the legac see to have that those kind
of enigmatic kind of films or is it the kind
of stuff you type about, like it's you know, just
go do it kind of thing and make it happen.
What do you think his legacy is?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I think it's that dream logic, right, It's like you
watch any sort of David Lynch movie or show that
he had more control over. It's like Twin Peaks season
one is a different story, but it feels like you're
on a journey and you're never gonna get to the
answer you want to get to, but you still feel
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very secure and safe wherever he's taking you. And Twin
Peaks season one, like, I'm not the expert on it,
but there was a lot of oversight with that and
they really wanted to find who killed Laura Palmer. And
then season two went off the rails for many different reasons.
But I still love it. But for me, it's that
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feeling of unconvention, unconventional narrative while not being too masturbatory, right,
It's like without just like doing things could you want
to there's actually still this narrative threat. It's just not
a conventional narrative to me.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah, he actually, according to him, he left the show
more or less after the first season because of the
pressure to answer the question that he'd ever wanted to answer,
which is who killed Laura Palmer. Like he wanted the
show to be about this town. It was never supposed
to be a murder mystery that ultimately got solved. So
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he went on sid to make that film with Nicolas
Cage's that's.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Basically just the wisitdal Well?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
That Heart.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
So good.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
That's an amazing film too.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
If you haven't seen that one, that one, I think
it's like that's his hit and gym people don't talk
about that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Film really well. The Heart is fantastic if you haven't
seen it.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
But anyway, he went off to make that and though
his names attached to the second season, he had less
to do with it than the first season of the show,
which is why I'm telling Chuck earlier. If you watch
Firewalk with Me and you watch the first season, you
know the tone is kind of similar. Though the film
is very bleak, the tone is similar, whereas the tone
kind of shifts into you know, quasi comedy in the
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second season, despite the fact that you come to.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Find out who actually did the deed.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
As far as legacies go, for me personally, I think
it's I do think it has to do with dream logic. Absolutely,
I agree with Liz, but I also think his lasting
legacy what I was talking about earlier, his ability to
straight up not care what the industry at large thinks,
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care what critics think, and just to go out there
and paint what he wants to paint and put that
out into the world and have them interpret it how
they interpret it, because that's the ultimate thing with being
an artist. As pretentious as it sounds, when you put
your art out there, it's no longer yours. It's how
people interpret it. Even if you're just doing something like
A to B two C, like a regular random American film,
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people might interpret it a different way than what you intend.
I for sure felt that, like I've made something in
like half the audience is laughing and the other half.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Isn't really reacting at all.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
So it's very interesting to see how that works out.
But for him specifically, I think him just being this
bad ass that doesn't give up a fuck.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
He's gonna do it his way.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
And even if you ask him what this is about,
he's going to tell you no. Like to me, that's
what it is, a bad asset.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Everybody looks Can anyone do that today? I mean, That's
what I'm thinking about, is he grew an emerged in
a time when he's been like seven years on a
racer head, right, He's spent like a very long time
in that movie, and he proved himself right out the
gate and people started to trust him and give him money.
But if you're waffling, if you're if you're making him
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Maure movies, and as you develop your craft, you're not
given that latitude at all today, Like you're no one's
going to come on to fund your movie, but they
are going to support David Lynch exploring whatever he wants
to explore because he has a proven track record at
prestige film festivals even commercially. Yeah, so it's like I
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think he he has like the perfect timeline of a
career because he was allowed to he earned it, but
he earned it out the gate. And I don't think
we're allowed to just make whatever we want right now
if we're looking for funding from the system. No.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I mean he came in I guess erasay was what
seventy nine somewhere in there, So he was coming into
you know, the world as an artist, as a filmmaker
around the same time that you know, the Lucases and
the Spielbergs are changing it. And now we're in this
monster that we're in now still apparently this day, which
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is the quote unquote blockbuster area, even though that seems
to be waning quite a bit these days thanks to
the Internet and streaming.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
But I don't know. I mean, like at the same
point in time.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Though obviously it costs a shit ton of money to
make a film, especially a quality film. Now, I think
because of the Internet and because of the tools that
are laid out in front of us, I think we
could potentially do what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
It's just a matter of.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
How it gets distributed, and you know more about that
than we do, clearly, But I do think you're onto
something there.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
It's like the David Lynch project.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
You know, it's like slapping on him night Shyamalan's whatever,
except David Lynch didn't you know, do that with his films.
But yes, I understand what you're saying, Like this is,
this is a known product quote unquote, and people respect it,
people like it, so they're going to go with it
and they can sell it. Ahll time, you're your one
hundred and ten percent correct. So yeah, if you don't
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have if you don't have the idea logic of okay,
so this is a product everyone knows and loves, it's
easy to sell to people, then yeah, it can be
damn near impossible. But yeah, that was actually something else
I was going to tell you about how's distribution doing this?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I mean, do you know me, Like when am I
going to say something positive about distribution. It's not good.
It's not getting better. Though, I have to say, I
have a client, I you know, my producer's rap. I
got a bunch of offers for them. None of them
were like good, great offers, but they were offers, and
they decided to self distribute, and they made way more
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than they would have made had they worked any of that.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
That's what I'm saying. So where did they self distribute to? Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Bit Max?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Okay, yeah, okay, so there you go. So I mean,
that's what I'm saying. Like even still, there are there
are ways, and.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
There's no guarantees in anything, but there are ways to
get around the system trying to fuck you over, trying
to annihilate your baby, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
So I don't know, Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
It's a grassroots thing. I think it's a grassroots thing.
Like and that's why my whole thing in my mentor
like Peter Brodderck's whole thing is always like gather email
addresses or build your audience person by person, because you're
not going to beat them with large license fees from
a Hulu or Netflix if you don't have a known
entity like you're talking about, So then you have to
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beat them through individual transactions and through a volume play
with distribution. And it's exhausting, but I mean it is
the only way to counteract the system, like you're talking about,
or you make skin Marink you know, well, actually.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
You know what that's Uh, here's the thing that particular
film I think is very polarizing. Yeah, but bless them
for making a film, lessons for.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Getting a distribution at that wider range. Good for them
for doing that.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
I don't know if they've done anything else since then,
but you know, to each their own. I think I
personally thought it was interesting. I can see why people
would be born out of their minds and wanting to
leave the theater, but prete personally, I thought.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And I mean that's a pretty direct line from Lynch
to to skin a marine.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Yeah, is it art?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (27:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, I mean yeah, so actually you mentioned something about
hidden gems. What is what is the what is your
personal hidden Lynch gym? That that maybe not be the
most popular, but you love it the most.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
On the Air. M David Lynch did a sitcom, a
very short lived sitcom called on the Air. It has
a couple actors from Twin Peaks, kind of more fringe
actors from Twin Peaks, and it's really really weird because
you take the camp of David Lanch and you push
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it so far that you are in a sitcom, but
they're not. It doesn't follow like the joke joke pattern
of a sitcom. It just is a weird, elevated state
of reality with lots of bright lights that looks like
a sitcom. I don't know anyone who adores it. I
have a T shirt call that my husband got me
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for the Lester Guy Show. That's the show within the
show on the air. Because I'm a big, big David Lynchener,
so encourage you'll check it out.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I have yet to do that. I will definitely do
that now. Thank you so very much for that.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I think I've already said it.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I think while the Heart doesn't get enough love, it's
just it's Willem Dafoe is.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Insane in that movie, like that character alone.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I mean, you think about Dennis Hopper character in Blue Velvet,
Willem Dafoe has got to be the most sinister thing
that Lynch has come up with. He's come up with
some sinister motherfuckers, let me tell you. Yeah, it's just
it's a crazy film. And again it's just his version
of Wizard of Oz, so if you haven't seen it,
and also it's again it's got Nick Cage in.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
You Need Need and Lord.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Dern's in it too, and she's gorgeous, so yeah, and
she's a great actor too.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
So anything that's got Lord Dern.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
And David Lynch, Nicholas Cage and Willem Dafoe, how can
you go wrong.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
I don't think you can go wrong. I think it's fantastic.
So yeah, if you haven't seen that, check it out.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Nice. I'm I'm I'm not sure what mine is?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Do you even like David Lynch? Like? Are you even
here for a reason?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
CHUNCHU is here? Chuck saw Inland Empire in the theater,
So I.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Did to Chuck. I thought in the theater's by myself
in an empty theater.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I think it was me and a friend and that
was we want to be.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
That's probably the only thing that I've seen by him
that I was like, I don't care for this.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, okay, it's a task.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
It is a task. I'm not gonna lie. It is
a task. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
And it felt a little redundant after Mulholland Drive, like
it felt like he was tackling the same kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I think that's the other problem.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Like Muholland Drive is so fucking good, Like it's so good,
it's it's a damn near perfect film. If it isn't perfect,
and I think it might, there will be a perfect film.
So when you follow it up with Inland Empire, which
is kind of like a longer, stranger, less beautiful version.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Of that with a musical number, yeah, Dustin with a
song I think from deck in It Maybe Black Tambourine
is that.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
From I think?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
So? I think I will look it up right now. Sorry,
I just want it.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Wait, so I've seen it one time.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
But answer your own question, what what is your hidden
gym that no one likes to talk about?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Well before I wouldn't have said this, but apparently Lost
Highway is not as popular as most of his other stuff.
So it feels cheating because I love that movie, but
apparently it's divisive.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
For a lot of people. So I have to say
that I guess.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I mean, I think it's it's I think it's great.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I think some people probably if they wanted answers to
the question, because I mean, even if you look at
his other stuff, it's not as.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Out there or crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
There is a certain amount of wrapping up, at least
on some level, with a nice bow, even though it's
a bow that you've.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Never seen before. Yeah, Lost Highway doesn't do that.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
It doesn't give you answers. It's like, interpret this is
the way that you feel. I have my own interpretation
of it. I think it's about a man that's split
in half who doesn't remember, you know, killing his wife.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
And if you listen to.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Some of the interviews from Lynch about the film, he
was basically just making the O. J. Simpson story with
these characters. Yeah, so that's that's how I interpret the film.
But if people are to interpret it a different way,
that's fine too. I think it's I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Plus you never feel like it's it's not on purpose,
you know, like you watch a lot of post Lynch films,
the people who are trying to copy it, and you're like, no,
you're not quite getting it. Like we're confused when we
watched Lynch movies mostly, but we never feel like we're
just lost out in space. I always feel like, who's
(32:49):
trying to show us something? We're just too stupid to
get it.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Well, again, it goes back to that guy asking him
about what he means by its.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Faith based film or religious film being a racer head.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
He's like, no, so it's just like it doesn't it
doesn't really matter exactly what Lynch feels about it.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
That's the point.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
It's like, what do you feel about it? How are
you interpreting this? This is his painting. You take it
as you take it. But yeah, that's that's you know,
like most of his things. That's a great movie and
the like I told you, it's the first film that
I saw wall to wall. But anyway, I think Liz
was gonna.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Say something, No, I'm just on his IMDb page, just
looking at things.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Research I forgot about I forget about the Straight Story.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, I would forget about that one.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, most people do, because it's like the most non
Lynch Lynch movie. But then you watch and you're like, oh, yeah,
you can do Disney. Like I didn't realize, but you
really can do Disney.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I never you know why. I take that back.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
That's another film of his that I haven't seen. I've
never seen that film, so maybe that's the hidden Gym.
We just still't know it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I think the hidden Jim is him playing John Ford
and the Feebleman's Yeah, A great is that? Like I
watched that clip after he died. I was like, this
is fantastic moment.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I mean, I'll be honest with you, I personally love
that film. Yeah, not a lot of people. I mean
there were some people that were just sort of rolling
their eyes at it because I was just Steven spielbre
making a film by himself. But for me, I loved it.
Like he he even brings in like the usc stuff
in that film, which I thought was fantastic. He's playing Conquest.
(34:31):
Why he's got this blonde hair, blue eyed guy running track.
It's like, I know what you're doing because I know
how they treated you and how they didn't let you
into school and they rejected you three times because you're Jewish.
So that stuff I thought was really very interesting. But
when Lynch comes on screens like this is a home
run game over, this is this is top five school
work films ever made.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Well, like, who are you going to cast in that role? Right?
It's a living I don't know, master filmmaker. That would
be David Lynch. Like it's such a great tribute to
him to say that, like he is so important that
he could play john Ford. Like that's a very wonderful
compliment to him.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I think, even though john Ford, but that's just me.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I don't know. I can't even make an argument because
I've not seen a good number of john Ford films.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I think it's it's in, it's in the scene. It's like,
where's the horizon, that's john Ford. Yeah, that's john Ford.
So yeah, Lynch head and shoulders above, with all due
respect if there's anybody that's so alive from the Florida State,
with all the respect David Lynch. Before we go, because
we're running out of time, I do want to talk
(35:42):
a little bit about Liz and how she's doing and
what's going on in her life right now. I know
now we're transitioning over from David Lynch, which yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Think you know, this is the lead in so Lynch
opened for you and now you were.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
To be but show thence final death.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, So what's going on with me?
Speaker 7 (36:06):
That's the question.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
You've got a film coming up, don't you? Am? I crazy?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I'm making I'm making my third feature in jer Yeah.
It's called Best Friends Forever. Though we're looking for another title.
I'm trying to if you can think of one right now.
It really helped me out, Guys. I'm looking for a
title that's similar to I Spit on Your Grave. I
just think I Spin on Your Grave is like the best,
and I want something like And we were talking with
(36:31):
my husband about this morning. We're like, I don't think
she ever spits on the grave. So it's figurative, right,
you could do something figurative. Uh, it's a horror comedy. Yeah,
it's a horror comedy where everyone dies, and it's cast
with comedians from the UCB sketch world. Nice because I
(36:55):
when I worked with Bobby moynihana my first feature, it
was just the most delightful experience and I'm just want
to replicate that. And I think a lot of it
could be working with comedians who are used to thinking
on their feet and are open to play in the
sandbox that is a film set, because I think sometimes
you work with actors from different mediums and there's a
(37:19):
little bit less flexibility. I'd say, So I'm working, I
want to play on this one. That's what we're doing,
making a movie. It's gonna be a very short shoot.
There's going to be blood, gore, stunt sentence on a
micro budget. So we're somehow trying to make the impossible possible.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Well, you've done it twice before, so I guess maybe
you could do it again. I don't know, maybe I'm those.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Didn't have stunts, those didn't have gore. I'm really like
trying to up the anni. But this has a slightly
bigger budget than those, so I'm hoping that we could
make it happen.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Still, So to go off the UCB stuff, what you're
saying is you don't want to work with somebody like
Jereby Strong, then no.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I mean, if you wanted to work with me, of course,
I'd be like, please, Deby s I'll do anything for you.
But I'm I'm a beggar, not a chooser, right, And
so as someone who's casting in my Cropreditt film, where
everyone's being paid scale. I we're trying to find people
who are open to that. And then I like this
script and very proud of script. It was written with
(38:17):
Amy Taylor, who's been on this show and is an amazing,
amazing writer, and I want to use the script as
a blueprint, but I want to also play with the
idea of like what happens if we open it up
a little bit too, And again, improv actors would be
the strongest team to bring new things to light into
(38:38):
the film.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Curb your enthusiasm. I love it.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yes, yes, except for I don't think we're going to
do that camera but yes, very active camera.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
What you chuck?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I'm sorry, I think I cut you off.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
No, no, I'm just it's just very exciting that we're
getting another Manischel film. Every time I see someone say
something about, uh, you know when David Bowie died that
changed history, and I was like, yeah, there was a
movie about it.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
No one watches the movie about it. Though I'm very
proud of that film, I wish we could have taken
that idea to its logical conclusion and made it all
about David Bowie's impact and whatever. But it's not you
know it's just a cool, cool premise, but I do
get around January every single year. I get a few
(39:32):
Instagram messages from people who were like, I saw meme
about how David Bowie's death broke the world, and I'm like, Yep,
that's not an original idea from me. Someone else thought
of it and I took it.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Well. I mean that's another thing too, Like just.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
David Bowie passing away in twenty sixteen and where we've
gone to since then, it's kind of difficult to argue
against that logic.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah, clearly Bowie was a big deal to a lot
of people.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Especially you live, and also his relationship and what he
did with Lynch, because again he's far awall with me.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yep, that's right, and the dream logic of his songs,
like if you Saw God? What is that amazing documentary
they had on him like two years ago? Yeah, it
was nuts. I saw an Alimol draft house and it
was like, the sounds insane. Anyway. He was talking about
how like his lyrics don't really mean anything. They are
a collage of different words that sound good together, that
(40:34):
go with the melody, and that it really feels like
it rings true with the David Lynch collection. It's like
you're taken on a journey. There's something you can be
able to, you could grab onto, but it's not solid
round ever for Dave Lynch or David Bowie. And I'm
drawn to those kind of artists, right, the ones that
(40:55):
allow you to look elsewhere, not just at the screen
for literal storytelling, but like, can I go within myself?
Can I think about this movie for days to come?
I think with the song for Days to Come? Bringing
a little bit more depth into art.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
And the name of that documentary is Moonage day Dream.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
You can find dream, good song, good song, good movie.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Great movie, nice mind blowing film.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Really yeah, well, yes, we're wrapping up in Liz, wh
Where do we find information about you and your film
and all your stuff, all your websites and if you
have any social media's left?
Speaker 3 (41:35):
There is no Yeah, I have all the social I'm
not giving up. I'm on all the social media's, every
single one, and you could just contact me. There is
no other Liz Manichelle on earth as far as I know,
So you just look up Liz. I know. I'm like,
someone's gonna be bored right now. Well I'm right now
(41:57):
as of this moment. Knock on wood, you know, February twelfth.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Am, West Coast Market.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Look Liz Manchelle anywhere or something similar to the word
Liz Manchelle, You'll probably find me.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Nice. How about you? Where do we find you?
Speaker 4 (42:14):
LinkedIn?
Speaker 8 (42:15):
Linked and LinkedIn?
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Was that a LinkedIn robot? What was a monster?
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Nothing is a LinkedIn robot?
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Yeah, robot.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
So basically every that's the running joke, like if O'Brien
has the Mac.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
And Me joke, Yes, yes, joke. He asked me where
you can find me, and I always say LinkedIn.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
No one uses like I barely I go to LinkedIn
right now. It's not fun. It feels very it feels
like homework to log It's a link it's a it's.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
A resume, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I think people the only people who log in there
specifically talk about how they're abusing their employees. So they
post on there like that's all they post about on
LinkedIn path.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
But yeah, I know, we got to get out of here.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
So Liz, thanks again, thank you for hopping on the show.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
It's always great to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
Very much.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Sorry, it's such a bad reason to have a podcast.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
But you know what happens. Life goes on. So everybody
go watch the Lynch films.
Speaker 5 (43:20):
Yeah, go watch David Lynch and go see Liz's film
when it comes out.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
I guess.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
Thank you, no worries, Thank you, Thanks.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
For listening to Atlanta Film Ship. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
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is Chuck Thomas. Editing is by Joshua Goldkey. The soundtrack
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(44:10):
Rob Scheimer. Remember you are your own biggest fans, So
go out make your projects and don't let anyone stop you.
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