Counterpoints! 3 - Chance the Author

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This one's with Chance the Author. We covered getting struck by lightning, Avatar on LSD, how I got my facial scar and the haunted 11 mile challenge! (And a ton of other stuff as well!)

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Episode Transcript

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which is rare because because very lowyourself just embarrass I'm like, hey,
listen, get us out. I'mtalking. Yeah, don't do that,
all right? So you need mea little bit more louder, even though
I don't get loud, more louder, more louder. Fuck? Is this

(00:24):
like a check check boxworthy? Idon't want to get it. I don't
want to get a noise? Allright? Fine? Um? Because I
had three and we don't want totalk about how that actually we do,
No, we don't. We don't, So anyway, get that story later
maybe so anyway, everybody wait,so if you can't tell behind bars barbarians.

(00:48):
Um, that's Chance, the authorepisode three of Counterpoints. Hey,
hey, hey, we got Chancehere. We're going to talk about his
interview, what he thought of it, if he regretted anything, if he
forgot anything, any other sort ofthoughts on his interview, and anything that's
kind of happened to him since welast spoke a lot. All right,

(01:12):
Chance, what's going on, buddy? How are you? What's up?
What's up? How are you doing? Man? Missed you. Oh missed
you, buddy. It's been awhile. Yeah, yes, yeah,
you've had many changes that have befallen. You've been busy, to say the
least, changing jobs, acting anymore shows. H No, but never
say never, right, Oh no, absolutely, you'll be back in.

(01:34):
I still have to see the episode. I'm waiting for it to come out
on Netflix. Cheap. I givethe best shoulder of two thousand twenty one.
Nice guarantee, guarantee, Like that'stwenty one? Is that when you
shot twenty one? Wow? Allright, that's actually a pretty actually the
show for both actually for Yellowstone andfor Better Call saulve nice. Yeah.

(01:57):
Um, so let's get to it, man, your interview. We have
a new on Better Call Saul.We got what you doing? Treasure hunting?
Yep, yeah, we did theSerial Killer? Yeah, Wayne,
Nancy, we did the Prince show. Uh yeah, Prince, it's just
the symbol and just the symbol.Yeah. What else do we do that
we didn't talk about? Uh?Well, here's the thing, right I'm

(02:20):
supposed to talk about, Like,oh man, you know, I wish.
What I wish is that I didn'thave as much ADHD as I actually
still do today I do do nottake it. So funny story is,
yes, I've taken adderall now forseven years, and it's actually changed my
life in the grace way, rightbecause I needed it from a long time

(02:43):
ago, and my parents knew whenI was younger that I was definitely adhd
um. But you must have beena handful dude. You're all over that
place. Yep. Yeah, Ican see that, correct, Yep,
yep. And and so imagine mywife who's been married to me for a
long time having did you know thatperson that she loves, but then finally
when the medicine works, and she'slike, oly, shit, that works.

(03:07):
Yeah, it was good. Iused to have a script and then
something happened where I don't have thescript anymore. And you can probably fill
in the blanks from why I don'thave the script drugs. I wasn't expected
to have to bee in a cupanyway. Yeah, damn it. I
miss it. But I've been functioningwithout it for like five months now and

(03:29):
I think I got it under control. I'm good, good man. Yeah
yeah. So anyway, now thatwe've talked about adderall, it never makes
me feel bad at all. Sowhat do you think of your interview.
Overall, I'm going to tell youit had a tremendous response. We had
a lot of listeners. It's upthere, probably the top five shows.
I was actually what I did dowas, you know, talked to people

(03:52):
close to me and had them listento it, and they gave me really
good feedback, nothing bad ever.I mean, you know, these are
friends, are gonna give me shno matter what. And that's when I
kind of knew that, you knowthat something was good. It was good.
Um, so I listened to it. It took me maybe a month
after you did it, even thoughI was probably bugging you for it's more
just for you know people. Iknew when I finally listened and I was

(04:14):
like, yeah, yeah, itactually worked out. I hate my voice,
you know right. I think alot of everybody says that they go,
I can't leave my sound like that. My buddy Jesse when he recorded
it and he told the same storynine times because he always does that.
He never realized that he did thatbecause people would always just polite and they
nodded Patennis like the first time theyheard the story, he goes, I'm
gonna quit drinking, and he quitdrinking for like two weeks because he was

(04:38):
so like shocked and like appalled atlike the way he communicates when he's under
the influence. So yeah, youhave that reaction like I don't like my
voice. I say a lot ofuh, you know, people just you
know aware, you know, it'sall little things that you know, probably
people that picked apart or regularly.Actually people wouldn't know or care about,
but it's something you're like, Oh, I see that, I hear that.

(04:59):
H But I will say that wasone of the most edited of all
the episodes. I think we didlike an hour in twenty and I got
it down to forty HD. Yeah, it's audio. They gotta hear you.
They got to hear you about ad h D Yeah. Wow wow
wow wow. Um so yeah aCDC. Um, I was listening to
a CDC that song thunderstruck. Yes, it's a great song. Then it

(05:23):
occurred to me, a CDC youcan't get struck by thunder. It's lightning.
It's lightning. Right, he's wearingthat schoolboy uniform, but he's clearly
skipping science class. Oh hey,speaking of which, since we're doing counterpoints.
Yeah, so I don't think wetalked about this, and you might
know this from reading my book.I'm not saying you read my book.
I'm not saying you remember I readI read it. It's great. Um,
but neither here nor that right strainspassed. We all follow by chance

(05:46):
j J. A trick um availableeverywhere books are sold. And so you
know one of those things from youthink kind of back on the days and
thinking, damn it, now we'regoing to have edit because Derek stuff hits
right now. Hold on, Idisagree. Oh so this is where it

(06:09):
was going to hate that? Sowhat were we talking about? No,
they hated even more. I'm livingthe buzzer. Yeah, so so you
had a good night tonight. Camein un about eleven beers. Isn't that
many? There's that many? Shit, Sometimes I don't do that, so
I haven't. Actually, here's thefun of the press, dude, I
can't do that. I actually prettymuch stopped drinking. And maybe we talked

(06:32):
about this at the end of mypodcast. For me, this all fits
on that. I don't think sothough, But um, because I think
we started on the But I reallyhaven't been drinking, like it's been kind
of nice. It's been Um.Kind of less travel less stuff in my
life. And you know, Idon't need to drink at home. I'm

(06:53):
pretty happy at home, so it'sbeen very nice. What kind of sucks
is that? Um update, Igot a job from another job, and
that job probably gonna leave me adrink again, is it? You know
I've always said, like, that'swhy I've been able to bartend for so
long. It's because I don't reallydrink, because I just Alcoholics to me,
is like a primitive drug. They'veit's been around since forever. They

(07:15):
figured it out early. It's poison. It is. It makes you clumsy,
embarrassed, like ashamed. The nextday you gotta put together your life
like Jason Bourne. The next morningyou're like like, oh god, did
I Oh God? And then attwo o'clock the apology tech start going out.
When you look at your phone,you get your receipts unless did you
did you bring your phone? Didyou lose it? Apologize? I just

(07:35):
don't like it. It's too lateto apologize, too late to apologize.
This is that first sad Yeah?Um? Is that good audio? Bad
audio? No, it's great herehere audio there? Yeah, you hit
the note, Um, so youget the new job. It's gonna drive
me to drink, all right,has drink? What is ir job with

(07:57):
Greg? I don't even know.Here's the great thing about my job is
that no one in my life andI've done the same job for twenty some
years, but no one in mylife knows what I do. I don't
know what you do? Right,I know what you do. I mean
I have a fair conception at whatI do, and I have to like
tell people that I do that sothat it falls within certain regulations. But

(08:20):
you don't actually do what you sayyou do. No, I actually do
actually you do? Okay, becausethey have this theory about like when you
go on a job interview, howyou always lie and then like oh,
like, um, what's the guywith Congress? Oh, everybody in congress?
Yeah, but the most recent guyin Congress? What she's talking about?
Yeah? But like nobody does likewhat they said they were going to
do, or like what was itlike their job description? They did not

(08:41):
wrangle eight UFOs as incorrect? Folks? Do you not believe that shit?
I don't believe it. No.I totally believe in miss miss oh.
No, I believe in UFOs,but don't believe when he said he wrangled
eight, he probably couldn't have wrangledone. No, Auf wranglings. Go
it's a lot, yeah, um, but it is enough. Back to

(09:01):
the Oh hey, back to theinterview. Yeah, I have something to
talk about. Yeah, I havesomething I need to clear up. Okay,
let's clear it up them Greg correctioncorner, Yeah, correcting corner on
the countertop. Yeah, correction corneron the Korean countertop. Yes, what's
the correction? So you made aquip about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky and

(09:28):
Monica Klewinski. Who's that Klonica ofLensky? Hi, Kolonica? Yeah,
Hi, yes, okay, youmade a joke and have do with you
know, oh yeah when you wereworking in Washington, DC? Like,
how many blow jobs did you give? Well, I'll be honest with you,
probably half of my viewership came fromthat joke. Oh wow, So

(09:52):
that's so funny, which is weirdbecause we don't even do a visual podcast,
so to have viewership is amazing.Oh do you mean listenership? Yeah,
listen correct. Okay, so wait, half like like that joke.
Yeah, well they just liked thatyou told that about me. Apparently,
half of the fucking people I knowthink that I just give blow jobs at
the fucking white House. Oh nice, and that's not true. No,

(10:15):
it's not true. But if you'regonna give blow jobs, you want to
give them in the white yellow house? Is cool? Fucking black house?
Like the way you why do younot regulate to the house colors? Anyways,
I just want to point something outand make some clear. No,
I do not know Blue Clinton,and no I do not own a blue

(10:35):
dress, so please stop sending deaththreats and bad Instagram tweets. Yeah you
know, yeah, you know whoyou are. You know. It was
great too, like the Freudian slipyou said, I do not know Blue
Clinton. Yes, like Blue Clintonbrother is famous brother Blue. Who am

(10:56):
I thinking? Oh Roger Rogers,Yeah he's the Roger Well yeah, he
exactly. He was the middle Um, but Blue was a real badass.
Like actually, not your viewers aregoing to be interested in this, But
here's the true tidbit viewers, Um, seniors, listener, Yeah we're going
to get those right someday. Um, people who are here with us philosophically,

(11:18):
Um, yeah, it's pretty amazing. But um, I forgot what
I was totally going on and talkingto you about. So we'll talk about
blues, blues, blues, clues, blues clues, basic damn it still
lost it. Oh god, yourbrain is like a ride at Disney.

(11:39):
Yeah I love it. Yeah,it really is. It works like never
entered like a pinball machine. Yeah, like you make connection sideway, I
make them sideways, but I canI can see like your pathways kind of
connecting and disconnecting, and like thefocus goes. It's pretty interesting. I'd
like to take this, uh nextthree seconds, Yeah, as an advertisement

(12:00):
to my wife. And this isto say sorry because everything Greg said you've
lived through and knew that and said, the last seven years with that or
all has been a lot better.Yeah, ad all never makes me feel
bad at all. So is shegoing to hear this? Yeah? Okay,
yeah, um, and we haveto be a patriot. It's on

(12:22):
Patreon. Fuck, I'll give youthe file. Yeah all right, well,
or just make this episode fit three? Who cares? Right, let's
got three exclamation points? So,um, we were talking about something that,
um, we weren't going to talkabout, right, Let's never talk
about that again. I think Imight talk about it. Let's talk about

(12:45):
it this time. So yesterday marksthe day of freedom for me after a
two month odyssey. Fuck, Greg, should I do this? Yeah?
And so here's the real deal.Listener seen her person on the other side
of this voice. Greg has livedmany, many, many, many,

(13:07):
many many lives, as you've heard, and hopefully you've gone back and in
case you haven't, patreon Patreon becauseguys put his heart and soul in there.
Dude. I mean I Patreon sixtimes already this week, so you
can patreon one time. So,dude, you gotta understand Gregg's put his
heart and soul in all this andgot to know that you gotta know that

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suspense dramatic pause. What do wegotta know? Some shit that I'm gonna
talk about eventually, but not rightnow. Okay, Well, I was
gonna talk about my HouseGuest. Man. I had a house guest for two
months. I try to do agood deed for someone, and I learned

(14:00):
that. Let's go back for asecond. Okay, explain the good dued
you did, and in your opinion, I had a friend who had fallen
on hard times like I had inLa and someone reached out and helped me
out and gave me a place tostay, and I you know, got
my life going again and picked upfrom you know, it started over,

(14:24):
ye, And so I figured,like it was my pay forward, pay
it forward, I should do thesame for this person who had been a
friend of mine for a long time. And I offered my place as a
place to stay, and I saidthree months, you know, and then
you know, get a job,because that's how long it took me to
like really just get on my feetand be like ready to fly out of
the nest, you know what Imean. And after two months there was

(14:46):
no progress. And then I realizedthis person was beyond my help due to
like let's say, mental health issues. And it was true, try for
two months, like I saw alot of weird shit that became normalized.
I just roll with it a lotof um, I don't know if I'd

(15:07):
get into the specific shit, suYeah, I mean there was like specific,
but to the point right, youknow, and there's just weird shit,
like weird, weird, bizarre behaviorthat I've never seen that I was
just like, Wow, I can'thelp this person's persons. And you fucking
lived in LA with some unique peopleand I've done a lot of weird shit,

(15:28):
and this was like beyond anything I'veever like dealt with. I'm talking
like allegedly downward dog yoga poses foran hour with an apple in their mouth
because they had TMJ with a vibratorin their ear because they thought there was
a chipping planted in there to thepoint where they would be like oh.
And it was called an eargasm becauseit felt like it was relieving the pain.

(15:50):
And then like self flagellation with likea dominatrix whip, like all this
stuff's going on right here in myapartment, right here at the counters were
yeah, we're right, counter Icounterpoints and uh. And then eventually it
all came to a head um yesterdayand five cops and two mental health workers

(16:12):
later, I have my place backlike to myself. And so I celebrated
by taking LSD and going to seeAvatar too last night, and I was
like joyous. It was the besttime. I didn't even know I was
tripping because of like the color andthe light and the shots was so so
much stimulus, like so overwhelming thatI didn't even know I was tripping until

(16:33):
I took a pea breaks three anda half hour yeah, and I got
up and I was like wobbly.And also I started seeing all the kaleidoscope
patterns and I was trying to getto the bathroom. Oh my god,
tripping face. But like you know, and as far as the movie goes,
Avatar Too is basically like porn becauseyou're not in it for the script,
You're in it for the visuals,you know what I mean. Because
the story was ridunculous, right,well they set it up for another sequel.

(16:59):
Yeah, and I just it wasjust ridiculous. But man, if
you see it definitely takes some psychedelics, some shroom, some l let's see,
some lucy whatever. Not that Iadvocate doing drugs, So I'm gonna
take back everything I just said.Just go see it, enjoy however you
choose to enjoy things. Um,but yeah, it definitely takes them alucinogenics.
But so I highly recommend it foryou, buddy. I don't know

(17:21):
if you are into that sort ofthing, but I can't. You know,
I love lucinogenics. I love lucinogens, I think. Yeah, sorry,
I messed that up. Yeah,I love everything fungus, all that
stuff. But um, do youknow how much space you need to grow
fungus. Yeah, as mushroom aspossible. Oh God, to see that

(17:47):
one going. Sorry anyway, soyou can't take them? No, I
can, um, because I'm adultand I can do what I want.
But beside that point, besides that, it would be mad at you.
No, you know, my wifehas seen me on mushrooms. My wife
has seen me on um uh Molly, my wife has seen me on Budweiser.

(18:15):
I've never seen you on Molly.I think that's gonna be hilarious.
I mean, you know, honestly, Molly's probably something should take daily.
That okay? That that that's likesomeone's anxiety pills, or that's true,
like for PTSD and stuff, psilocybin. I should have some PTSD because I've
been some interesting things in my life. But I don't think I have PTSD.

(18:37):
I have been hit by lightning twice. Maybe we discussed that before you
get hit by lightning twice? Comeon, stop it? Not even lying.
I shouldn't have made that thunderstruct joke. Are you serious? I need
to know this story, all right, So here we go on of course
or something so not quite. UM'samazing. Yeah, not not either either

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one. Okay, so here's thedeal. All right, water break,
all right, go ahead. Firstone was when I was like six years
old, so I would have beenlike kindergarten, right, first graders around
there, and kind of where wegrew up in the wilds of Montana,
we had a lot of free timein areas that were unincorporated and we didn't

(19:21):
have a lot of like subdivisions,and it was we went to a lot
of field stuff, playing a lotof fields. And one time we were
playing the field and it was justinnocent. We were just something we did
all the time with tag or somethinglike that. And when we were on
our kind of way we found everyone. We were like, oh man,
the clouds are really weird, likethey're this green, Like we've never seen

(19:44):
it like this as kids, right, yeah, And sure enough it was
like a thunderstorm lightning storm, andso it started every wouldn't say raining bowls,
but kind of like they're pretty quicklike, and we were, I
mean, you know, half fromour house where we live, rubbing this
big dirt lot. And as wecome through a dirt lot, as we

(20:07):
found out, like a bullet hitin front of us, probably like I
don't know, let's say fifteen feet, so not close but pretty close close.
That's too close. Yeah, well, I mean we could hear it,
right. It knocked us, thethree of us on our ass and
really like the concussion from the blast. So what we found out is where
it hit it travels through round right, and so we got a lesser but

(20:33):
still a big hit from whatever.You know, it was traveling around and
that's what knocked us on our ass, But it was also far enough away
the main electricity that probably would havekilled us was already dispersed by the time
it got to us, right.So that was the first time it was
hit by lightning, right, Sothe second time I was hit hit by
lightning true story. Yeah, I'mjust marveling. It just didn't make the

(20:56):
first interview, but go ahead,Well we'll call this fifty four. This
is the fifty fourth in other interview. So, um, the time on
that one, um was pretty crazy. It's kind of like, um,
what you and I are doing tonight, but a little bit more um,
just an effect of like it wasmore philosophical. So I'm with a good

(21:21):
buddy in mine from college and we'releaving to go intern in DC, and
this is back when interns were goodand didn't do firm no bood jobs,
no you know things and blue dresses. Um. Fun. We had a
good time. But on the wayout right, we're driving and um,

(21:42):
my buddy, he was a littlebit of a pothead, and he's like,
hey, let's get a bunch ofpot and drive outs a week.
Right, we're gonna drive out.We're gonna go to see her buddy and
Nantucket and we're gonna stop in Chicagoand my cousin all right, I said,
well, yeah, that's cool man. Just um, we've obviously smoked
forth. I said, I,you know, I'm leaving what was now

(22:06):
my wife at that time, likeshe's my girlfriend, but now my wife.
And I'm like, oh, youknow, I'm leaving for three months.
And I you know, thinks hardand whatever. So we leave out
and I stayed up with my wifesuper stupor late right and just talking about
Beethoven, Um, you know,Beethos. He were totally fucking So we

(22:30):
were having a good time and wewere done and so I had to go
and I only had like twoevers ofsleep because we had been up for so
long, and um, go out, my buddy inch or enough, dude,
he found somehow and this guy superNerd, awesome kid, but he
found a fucking like pound of weedfor us to drive from Missouri and Montana

(22:52):
to basically Washing PC when you goto Nantucket and stuff, right, and
um, we got stoned the wholefucking way. And here's what saved our
life. Um, second time Igot hit by lightning and that's it.
Sorry I had to get up tothat point. But um, there was

(23:12):
some fucking shenanigans there, but we'llget that later. Um. So here
we are. Next day, we'reon the on the way out and you
know, we get the stupid fuckingalarm at like noon and my buddy's driving
because I got a little fucked upand I'm gonna take a little nap and
he's driving out and he's like,so, we've got some really bad storms

(23:36):
coming up in like Pennsylvania because that'skind of where we're ever up through Minnesota
and on the Great Lakes. Andit's like, but it's probably fine,
you know. I'm like, we'refrom Montana, dude, we have fucking
blizzards right that one. We know, yeah, right? And so sure
enough, like an hour later,he wakes maut and he's like, hey,

(23:57):
man, just look outside now.To be fair, he wakes me
up and he hands me a bowl, right, because he's been spoken the
whole way. He's driving by theway, and we're just outside of Pennsylvania
on the bottom half of what isthat like spirit or whatever's down there,
and so we're coming up and itis weird, Like I wake up and

(24:18):
this is like our so let's call. It's like one thirty in the afternoon
in Pennsylvania's which should be like sunshiny, but it's black, and like,
what the fuck? I don't register. But as I come out of it
and kind of figured it out,I do see the green clouds that he's
talking about. He's like yeah,man, he goes, I think we're
in the fucking tornado Jesus right,And so I'm like, I thanks for

(24:42):
waking me up. I mean Icould have slept that shit. Yeah,
appreciate you mane it. Yeah.So UM like, okay, well just
let's keep going. I mean,what do we do? He's like,
yeah, I know, what dowe do? Just that's it, and
I'm during the car You're safe sortof so um actually became ye hundred cents

(25:07):
so that what Greg says true.But when you're not safe, as when
there's a E four, just that'sdifferent than as you get that. So
we as we're driving by and they'rea honking on the thing and I'm woken
up. Now, dude. Wewere at Erie, Pennsylvania. We saw
the sign and they said you needto get out of the area. There's

(25:27):
F four and we look over andit probably was F five. Honestly,
it was a big like you couldsee it. It was so far away
that, you know, two stupidMontana kids were like, whatever, that's
not going to hit us, butnot knowing how quickly that goes right right
yet right, yeah, and we'rein this vortex of just shit right like,

(25:48):
but then it stops. There's norain, there's no um, the
only thing there is is lightning justgoing thump, thump, thump, and
it's like every two seconds. Right, it's this weird elextracity cloud. Well,
we found out later that we werein the vortex of the point five
right even though it was you know, far away that we couldn't see,
it was so big that the clothingbrave. Ever. Yeah, so um,

(26:14):
there's nothing we do. We justkeep driving and that's where we did.
We just kept driving and he's like, wow, we do here.
I'm like, here, just hitthis. So we hit the weed a
little bit more. I was notdriving. I need to verify it.
No, I get it again.I would have done it to this day,
I swear on my life. Imean, listen, I will talk
about my nineteen lives the other day, but this one was for sure,

(26:38):
Like what am I nine? Right? Um? As he's telling me this,
and my feet are up on theon my little Acrintegra and it's one
thirty but just dark black out right, and we can not see the tornado,
but we can see the lightning thumpup them. We get to the
edge of the storm and it's noteven within thirty Sex and one talking about

(27:00):
and it's like sideways rain, likeyou can't see, like you can't even
put a wiper of that fast,right, and it's just crazy, like
how it just went boom boom likethat, right, And as we hit
the fuck And to be fair,there's a couple of cars ahead of us,
right, we didn't know them,but there's just everyone's going sixty when
you could be going ninety. Butit's just everyone's slow and kind of figuring

(27:22):
out well as we get through,right pretty much about ten seconds after all
that fucking storm, when all ofa sudden, boom and it sounded like
a shotgun went off in our carin like the compact area. And to
this day, the only reason I'mhere talking to you and telling the story

(27:45):
is because my friend was so stonedthat his reaction time was zero. So
when he thought I was playing withand to be fair, listener seen her
I was playing with, uh,you know, a lighter. You can
make it bigger and make the flamebigger and stuff. And I was doing

(28:07):
that in the car just because Iwas stoned, um, really stoned,
And so I was doing that andhe was watching me kind of make it.
So he thought that I messed withit too much and exploded. Exploded
because it sounded like a shotgun wentoff in its weird how your brain will
put together, like you'd try tolike rationalize stuff. You're like, oh,
that couldn't have been what actually happened, right, It's like, oh,
it must have been this, Andit happens like that, like when
you're halfway in the dream, oraren't you hear a noise and incorporating in

(28:30):
your dream. So he thought youexploded the lighter and and he literally turned
over and looked at me, thinkingthat I was gonna be like badly burned
like Michael Jackson PEPSI scars, right, that's terrible. Um, keeping Kurt
for sure. We're going to talkabout big as Smalls later. So um

(28:53):
and and sure enough he looked atme and he's like, oh, you're
not You're you're the guy I justsaw him in it go And it's very
informal, I have a faucet running, very recorder, totally understandable. So
no good, she's back, sobetter back at the end of day.

(29:17):
Um, we figured it out aswe pull off slowly one I mean literally,
my buddy's probably going ninety five andall this stuff, which that's insane.
Yeah, blades can't keep up.And this is again twenty plus years
ago, and my Accura Integra thatwas probably twenty years that. That's a
life right there, just the drivingalone like that. So um, we

(29:41):
pull over and luckily one of thepeople in front of us actually pulled over
and they're like, oh my god, are you guys okay? Because we
got out right and it was wegot out among the side. Out that
side, we realized we're fine.But we also realized, like my car
at the hood, my integral wassmoking. It was fucking just stripped.
Smoke came from my hood. Andthis guy comes out from a front of

(30:06):
us in the car. He's like, hey, are you guys okay.
We're like, yeah, what wedon't know that the shotgun didn't go off
in our car. We have noclue really, just like and they saw
it, right, and they sawit and they're like, yeah, we
saw lightning. It hit your fuckingcar and illuminated the whole fucking value And
it wasn't right. But because wewere on rubber tires, yeah, because

(30:27):
you were in the far daycarage,right, absolutely, Yep, it's a
ground and the same with the firsttime. The same with the first time
I got hit. It traveled tothe ground so far that, yeah,
if we were closer, maybe itcould have been some damage, but it
was so far right that it justknocked us on our ass. So that
is how I've been hit by lightningtwice. Wow, dude, you should

(30:48):
play the lottery. Oh you kindof do hit those leg in same like
against all odds moments Oh that wasone thing. Oh that's fucking scary looking
at the clock right there, rightsays what eleven thirty one? Yeah,
so I need to tell you aboutthe eleven mile challenge. Okay, that's
something, and this is how weall of a sudden get into episode fifty

(31:11):
four. Okay, eleven mile challenge, let's go. This is new.
It's something I don't think you andI have had a chance to talk about.
So I absolutely love the paranormal.Do I believe in it? Actually
I kind of do. There's toomany stories and weird things, right,
yeah, right, I agree,But then you know, you get the

(31:33):
stupid Internet. Stop they're like,oh my god, do you just put
in deep bake? But I dobelieve in it, and I probably have,
as you know my first book anda little bit of my second book,
I point out I may have searchedout a little bit just to test
the waters and the lidy um stormygut into that too, like all last

(31:55):
year during COVID too, she didthe spooky babes where her friends would go
to like the haunted the places,pormal investigation stuff, and like she's showing
me like camera footage and it's justlike weird like anomalies that appear like on
the video it's like, oh mygod, Like there's something like the hotel
Jeroman Askment where I work was haunted, the water Boy where it's like this

(32:16):
kid was like left unattended by hisparents and in one of the hotel rooms
and drowned in the bathtub lamb.And like you always get reports of like
the water turning on in the roomon its own and stuff like that.
And then like like dude, whenI would close at night, going into
the kitchen was so spooky, dude, like you could feel something, you
know. Here we go, allright, so Greg, just let us

(32:39):
into a perfect area. So let'stell each other. You first, the
greatest, your greatest ghost story.Like, I don't care how long it
is. I don't care for thetwenty minutes. I don't care if it's
two minutes. Right, tell meyour greatest ghost story. And let's listen,
listener seeing her um cure beaner Allright, superener. So, So

(33:06):
I'm thirteen years old kid and mybest friend at the time, Teddy,
we're like, you know, alwayssleeping over each other's houses. Ruxman.
No, I don't know if Ishould say his lasting. I don't know.
So it's my best friend Teddy.We uh, we're messing around with
like paranormal and the cult stuff becausewe're thirteen, you know what I mean.

(33:27):
So I'm not going to get intoyears here, but tell me how
you're messing around with paranormal. Idon't want to because I feel like every
time I tell the story, we'redoing like crucifixes upside dioard, Okay,
weigiboard stuff, dude, beginner stuff, all right, yeah, yeah,
So we were like, you know, freaking ourselves out all the time,
and then h one night, I'msleeping over his house and this is what

(33:50):
goes down. We're playing weigi boardall night. We're spooks. We're watching
horror movies in the background. Andgive me some background the horror movies.
What we were watching that weigi we'rewatching Oh god, what was the name
of that movie? Truth or Dare? That was a horrible Yeah, the
one with Tawny Kitam, David Coverdale'swife from White snag Rip. Tawny like

(34:12):
she got stuck in her shower andthe glass wouldn't open the door and then
the water turn on really hot,and like she couldn't get out, so
she had to like crash through theglass and cut herself all over the place
like that was one of the scenes. But I hate when minudity is mixed
with like violence and blood, LikeI don't like that. But that's horror
movies because like the virginal person nevergets killed, they always survived to the
ends. The people that do drugsand have sex that always get punished and

(34:35):
killed and murdered first, and alwayswith the fallus of some kind of like
a knife or like a so youknow what I mean. It's always like
it's like a sexual killing. Anyway, moving on, So we're freaked out
and it's time to go to bed. It's like three in the morning,
the Devil's hour, of course,so for sure we I sleep on the
floor. He's in his bed.He's like, hey, can you shut

(34:58):
off the light? And it's onthe opposite side of the room. Before
I get up and shut off thelight, the light turns out on its
own. Then this like poster ofLeda Ford where she's in that like catwalk
pose with her guitar, but she'slike topless, like that thing comes off
the wall and it's not near eitherof us like reach, And then we

(35:21):
start hearing all this like how isattached to the wall like pushpins? A
lot of pushprins, four four attackson each in each corner. So you
know, a strong gale isn't goingto get rid of that thing. But
we're also in a basement bedroom withthe windows sheds, so there's no wind
blowing through a lot of gals,not a lot of gales. So um,

(35:42):
then we start hearing all this clatteroutside like this just like just ruckass.
Can you describe the ruckiss? Itsounds like pots and pans and shit
like that, Like there was alot of stuff under the under the stairs
in the little closet because it's abasement like finished basement bedroom where he is.
And we get freaked out, likethat's it. Someone's in the house.
Something's in the house. So wegrab bibles and knives and we are

(36:08):
gonna go out and like kill whateveris out there. We don't know.
And so, being the brave soulthat I stopped, you know, let's
go back here for a second,because that we needed to address that.
Yeah, Bibles and knives, Biblesand knives, okay, so how bigger
the knives like the rambo one likethe hunting compass underneath it with the serrated

(36:30):
edge, and I've got like aI don't like a four inch buck knife.
Flippy got it. Yeah, Sowe're ready to go. Being the
brave soul that I am, Ilet Teddy go first. So I'm right
behind n He's got the bigger knife. Yeah, so bigger body. No,
he's actually he was like yeah,yeah, yeah, bigger defense.

(36:53):
So he uh, we go forthe door. We're like ready. I'm
like yeah, I'm ready, let'sgo. He opens the door and we
both see this flash of light andhe gets so scared. He throws his
arms up like like behind him,and I'm right behind him. And that's
when the knife was coming at myeye and I turned my face just in

(37:13):
time, and he sliced my face. That's how I got the scar on
my face. No, yes,true story. I'm not lying. This
is how I got the scar onmy face. I never tell the story,
but that's how I get stabbed.And I had to get like my
poor mom gets a phone. He'slike, I get you. I'm like,
I don't know. I couldn't feelanything. Also, I just felt
warm, wet all over me.Blood just spilled down me like it was
in my waistband and my underwears betweenmy toes and the listeners. Listener,

(37:37):
listener, So just so you canunderstand, like this scar, it's it's
pretty hideous, like like we havecalled Greg jekylin hide for many years and
the hide is the scar. Likethis thing is like die Hard with a
vengeance. Yeah, it's a grossscar. Actually, the plastic surgeon did

(37:59):
a pretty good job because it wasa gaping wound. I could put my
tongue through it. I can't seeit, maybe because I got the beard.
But yeah, yeah, right,but it goes all the way down,
it goes like down to there.But he sliced my face. My
poor mom has to get a phonebecau. He's like, I stabbed my
friend. I stabbed my friend.His parents wake up. I'm covered in
blood and the like the landing ofthe split level house flight of stairs.

(38:21):
He freaks out. The parents comeout. They have to call me him
at three in the morning, tellher I've just been stabbed in the face.
He has to meet us at thehospital. The surgeon gets called.
I was afraid to look at it. When I finally looked at it.
I was like horrified. I waslike, wow, I'll never be a
team model. And then UM gotsurgery five and a half hours of microsurgery.
Because you have so many nerves basethat was the moment that you thought

(38:42):
you would not go. So Ihad to go five and a half hours
of microsurgery tying all my nerves together. I had to do six months of
physical therapy to get like the musclesin my face to work again. And
I had to use a tens unit, which is like these little electrodes that
you attached to your face. Iget some to jump in it with those

(39:04):
abs. Okay, yeah, it'slike that. Yeah, like your face
Carr's out and everything. And Ihad to go to physical therapy, which
was terrible because I'd be sitting therewaiting in line. Somebody's like trying to
learn how to walk again, andI'm going in there and making stupid faces
when it's my turn. It's tryingto smile, but I don't have like
eighty percent use of the left sideof my face, and I have a
crooked smile, so people think I'mkind of you know, shifty pictures or

(39:24):
it didn't happen and you have pictures. We can put up them website on
the Patreon website. If you're apatre you're gonna get some interesting pictures.
By the way, you're gonna getsome pictures of Greg in his yesteryear.
Yeah, with my my scar andmy face swelled up for like three months.

(39:44):
And the way my scar looked andthe way the stitches were when I
get the stitches out, it lookedlike the top of a football football laces.
Okay, And so when I wouldwalk through high school the halls,
like the seniors would like walk byme and then puff their cheek to like
make fun of me. They'd puffout one cheek and just like make fun
of me like all the time.And then finally it went away. Any
chance it called you scroll boy,No, but I had to, like

(40:07):
I know, it's like I wasstoring a candle open my face. And
then I couldn't play sports anymore oranything like that because I couldn't get hit
in the face with anything. Ohlike no, like soccer kill you.
But it would just like fuck upall the nerve like that, because it
was like super like without fragile.I don't know why, Wait, how
long did you have that? Igot him when I was thirteen, and

(40:28):
you've had it since you're forty two. I'm forty seven. Yeah, I've
had a long time. It looksso young. Yeah yeah he Hey,
listen, and I'd like, that'sa great segue into day's sponsor, Chevron
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(40:55):
that's my ghost story. Okay,awesome, Now to flip it a little
bit, and and someday I'll tellmy ghost story, but not today.
I thought you're gonna tell your ghoststory. No, no, so question
for you, Yeah, go ahead. Do you remember your first real girlfriend?
When I say real girlfriend, notlike you know we're eight friend,

(41:16):
girl friend that you were with forlike a week, I'm talking about like
my real girl friend, high schoolgirlfriend. Oh, there you go for
four years through high school. Yeah, we are Dick Tracy. That's funny
meet too. But Dick Tracy wasour first movie, our first date with
Madonna. Yeah, and that wasour first day. That was a terrible
movie. I remember. I don'tknow anything about the movie other than I

(41:37):
took my jean jacket off and puther hand on my dick and then she
gave me a hand job while Ihad my denim, my stone washed bleached
denim jacket with the poison logo sewedinto it. She gave me a handy.
Yeah. Also thirteen super different thanmy first date with my girl,
first girlfriend. I was totally terrible. It was like we were having a

(42:02):
like a pool party. Like itwas fucking I'm a freshman, right,
because I met her a freshman andwe all hung out and she was like
a friend of a friend and Iliked her big brain about stock chemistry and
like god, back in high school, it's really hot on chemistry, is
Walter right? Thing? Yeah,but I remember her um from this day

(42:27):
and and what's funny is like,you know, you're stay in touching a
little bit ways. I don't wait, hold on, maybe I lost you
backed up. Do you still stayin touch with your first girlfriend? Yeah?
Sure, we stay in touch,like just genuine like high Hey,
whatever's not like you're talking about everything, not m You're not zooming on Thursdays?
Right, No, just like oncea month you're on a social thing,

(42:50):
right, I have less than that, Like, you know, I
probably my girlfriend, probably Mike's girlfriend, um, my first girlfriend, you
know, probably once a year typeof thing talking um, but it's kind
of fun to see, like,you know, the other, the other
person's life that you were involved infor so long. Right, yeah,
how it turns off? Fuck?I have zero clue where all this was

(43:14):
starting from and going from. Youasked me for sponsors by my first real
girlfriend. Oh yes, so yessyes, your first real girlfriend, and
I have some notes here, folks, So, um, do you have
notes? Really? For counterpoints?I do that you wanted to talk about.
Let's go all right, Oh,what is your first true What is

(43:38):
your first true girlfriend doing right now? She is raising her daughter, a
single mom and battling cancer, sonot really working, but just in fighting
for her life. Okay, notwhat I expected, but that's the truth,

(44:04):
right. And she always said shewas going to get cancer because her
mom had cancer and she was inhigh school. She always said it.
Dude, I've said this to Grega million times, like, there's something
weird parallel with Greg. I lovethis guy, but there's something It wasn't
just the first time we met andwe hey and we both write books,
right, but there was something weird, right, there was a parallel with
you that I always loved you.My wife who's not met you, right,

(44:27):
but it's like, oh my god, she knows right, and there
is that thing. So my firstgirlfriend, and this is not to take
over your first good thing, it'sjust added what the fuck you just said?
So my first girlfriend is actually thedirector or the professor, the director
of a cancer institute Jesus at Universityof Utah. That's crazy, right,

(44:52):
Wow, that's soful. I knowit's on that side and that side,
but that's pretty stupid. And Ifind that a lot with Greg. If
you're stupid. Oh god, we'reridiculous. Yeah, that was my first
girlfriend and then my second serious girlfriendin college. Um, she's now like

(45:15):
a fashion designer making a bunch ofmoney. Like like her last Facebook post
I saw it was like only afew more hours left in this tax bracket.
I think she sold something to Targetthat she designed. It's like,
so she's she's set. So itwasn't her only fan's debut. No,
No, she could have had that. Hey, we have a power to

(45:36):
you. She was my college education. Like you said, you like the
big brain on your girlfriend with thechemistry like this girl. She introduced me,
like she cultured me like everything thatI know. That's cool. Came
from her. Nice. Yeah,just a naturally curious mind investigates like just
reads the best books, watches thebest not movies films, you know what

(45:58):
I mean. She's just awesome,awesome, well traveled, like just amazing
that. It's good. Do youstill, you know, stay in touch?
Right? No, not really.We don't stay in touch because I
was bad and she knew it.It's good that you guys send masturbation videos
to each other. Cut that out. I do have some like girlfriends like

(46:20):
that too. Uh yeah, well, I mean a lot of fun facetimes,
a lot of fun facetimes. Someof us don't get that. Some
of us had been some of usare married, yeah, married man long
Okay, so it's a trade off. Back to you. Recently, you
got together with your old band.What are you interviewing me right now?

(46:42):
No? Okay, yes, yeahI did. I went home. I'm
actually yeah, and how that go? It was good and we jammed,
like had the bass player who's nowlike doing sessions stuff in Nashville and touring
with country bands, like he tooktime off and came back to play,
and like we played a couple nightsin a row and it was awesome to
it feel good. It felt great. We sounded awesome, normal all back
to the sound sound like we neverWe didn't miss a beat man. It

(47:05):
was great and you were singing right, I was singing yeah, alright,
because I have like I worked inthe karaoke bar and I'm always like going
to karaoke and I'm always singing inthe shower, so I always kept my
voice in shape. Yeah, anduh yeah, we sounded great. The
band was tight, vocals were onpoint. You know. It was good.
We tried to do some stuff thatwas like a little out of our
range now that we're older, shootingthe voices. Give wait, hold on,

(47:29):
let's let's give the listener um agood nugget here, So give us
one bar from that song. Ohno, I don't want to do it.
Come on, no stuff and holdon, I'll get the drums ready.
Well, the one that we triedto do don't even have. It
just has like simple rolls. Loveis on the Way by sigone Kick Love

(47:52):
is in the Way. No,it's love is the Way that one?
Yeah, wait, didn't the dudefrom Saigon Kick didn't Vince Neil Kill,
one of the Saigon that you're thinkingof Hannoi rockn Rod, Hannoise Sigon always
get my fucking mon damn names umband Mekong Delta is kicking ask and taking

(48:15):
names. I'm just kidding. That'sterrible, too soon. So anyway,
Beethoven's favorite fruit is a bun Nono no na no. Yeah. All
right, So here we are Episodesfour. Um, yeah, I went
back, saw the band, sawmy mom. Yeah, my mom.
Yeah, she wasn't well. Nowshe's good and we had a good time.

(48:37):
We hung out. My buddy,my buddy in the band of my
guitar player bought me cowboy boots.How's that I lived in the West.
I don't have cowboy boots. Igo back to Massachusetts. Cowboy boots?
Why? I mean, did youjust feel like he makes fun of my
morrels because they look like slippers tohim. He's like, you need some
actual footwear. You got slippers andhe feels it cowboy boots or swboy boots.

(48:57):
Yeah, because he's like, youknow, bon Jovi, like rock
and roll covered in tattoos, boots, guitar, long hair, you know
what I mean. So yeah,I got me boots in like a cool
podcasting setup. With like headphones andanother mic, and Stanton I forgot that.
So it's still there. Is thatwhere you can learn your podcasting skills
from. Oh that was just trialand error. That was from doing Kid
Amazing, doing all my dialogue.Yeah, let's talk about Kid Amazing for

(49:21):
a second. Okay, let's giveyou a little plug right on my show.
So here we are, Derek oneof six point five, and we're
with Greg Studley and he's about tofucking drop some science on you. Next
year or the next year after that, you're gonna be watching some Netflix and
be like, god damn, JasonBateman got fucking Ozark point two. Oh,
you're talking about the show for Netflixor Kid Amazing. Well, I

(49:45):
actually we'll talk about both, butI was talking about the Netflix show first,
right, that's where we're trying tosell the Netflix or Amazon or HBO
Max. Like. It's like asix episode limited series, so too don't
really talk about what it is.But he's a drama in the vein of
breaking bad Ozar Dexter kind of stuff. Got. It's gonna be dark.
It's a thriller drama. It's notcomedy. So the first thing, my

(50:07):
writing partner and I wrote, that'snot comedy and it's probably our best thing.
Well, they say go against thegrain, right. Ye, it's
coming out great. So we're workingon that. We've got episode two done,
four more episodes to write. Wegot a producer in La who likes
it and he's he's shopping it rightnow. And at the same time we're

(50:27):
attacking kid amazing. We just recordedall our stuff from episode three because episode
two is time. I'm waiting onus. Stormy's been up in the news
though, fighting all this stuff rightnow lately. So Stormy has been vindicated
get you up story. Yeah's justgo through dating show and stuff like that

(50:49):
coming out, and she got alot. Yeah, she's got a lot
going on. So I'm just waitingfor her to get her dialogue done.
We're gonna try to record it allat once and then release it, so
it could take i'd say about eightmonths out. Listen, she can't do
it and like she breaks contract,I'll do it, bro Okay, you'll
be Stormy. Yeah, I appreciatethat, thank you. Oh good to
me. She does have a lotof sexual innuendo lions. I love that.

(51:13):
Panus. Did I ever tell youabout the bet that we had,
but tell me about the bet lastsuper Bowl. So this is a good
timing. Um. She calls me, I'm at work, or she texts
me, so, listener from Australia. Super Bowl is this thing that we
do here in America's like something,throw this pig skin and stuff bigger than
Christmas. Yeah, Tom Brady isJesus. Yeah. And so she texts

(51:36):
me, she's like, what areyou doing. I'm like, I'm at
work. She's like on the superBowl. I'm like, yeah, what
do you doing? She's like,I'm at the super Bowl. So anyway,
she's gonna do this paranormal investigation thingin Denver, and so she wants
to get some circle here. Wego with the para. So we make
we make a plan to get together, right and I go, I go,
hey, so when you get outhere, let's make a little bet.
She's like, when you want,I'm like, both my team wins

(51:57):
and you're out here. I wantthigh high boots, fishnet stockings, garters,
crotchless panties, and a couple ofbra She was okay, and uh,
I forgot what she said, likeshe wanted if I won because it
didn't matter because my team lost andshe goes, what size are you?

(52:20):
Wow? What a pisser? Itwas a wow, she's funny man.
In anyway, she ended up,it got delayed and then because her profession
crew was doing something and whatever,and she never showed up and so we
never got to do it. Andnow she's married. She's married. She
got married like recently. It's aguy that she knew like back in like
way back when. But then Iwas like, does this ruin our chances?

(52:40):
She's like, are you kidding me? Swingers? We do that all
time. I'm like, sometimes everget what I'm talking to? Yeah?
Right, dude, that's awesome.Um oh but okay, so yeah we
talked about that. What about kidamazing gives a little Yeah. Yeah,
it's like it's gonna be good man, Like eight months out of I'm hearing
it, I'll be releasing it eightmonths latest. I got a I got

(53:04):
a new engineer. Our former engineeris still doing all his characters and recording
voices. He just doesn't have timeto like put it together. So I
hired another guy. It's local.So and tell the listener from Australia,
is this for like zoom or goingto be another podcasts podcast around the vein
of like a fifties radio drama essentiallya movie like or some Wells type of

(53:30):
or like like Mister and Missus Northor a lone Ranger dragnet, like the
shows that you used to listen toin the fifties and to gather around the
radio and you'd hear like right,car engines and like wind and sirens and
people talking and footsteps and stuff likethat with some music score. Yeah,
it's like that nice. It's gonnabe great. I wish I could play

(53:50):
a clip, but I can't revealanything yet. And um again for the
listener. Uh, you know,Greg's done a lot of things. The
one thing you can't tell you butI can because I'm not breaking contract,
is that he may or may notbe in the New Bad Boys Poor Bad

(54:14):
Boys. For yep, he mightbe the new detective lead sergeant agent Guy,
but I cannot confirm or deny that. Yeah, you'll have to kind
of listen to all these iPods andmaybe some of the actually you know,
or you might find some real truthand nugget. And I want to be
really here Greg, if you getto the Patreon page here on the cocktails

(54:37):
and dreams, bar counterpoints, counterpoints, thing shit fuck, you'll find out
a little bit more, find outa little bit more like this this episode
fifty four and I interviewed Greg.But yeah, we're just talk about what
you thought about your interview. Let'sget that in here. By the way,
what did you think overall? Like, how do you feel about it?

(54:58):
I actually, I mean even whenI finally did listen to it,
in my know that we're going backto that because yeah, we did talk
about that. We started there andthen we went to a different path.
Um, and that's okay, strangepath that we followed. That was my
biggest like concern was eight D andit reared its ugly head. Um,
but that's okay. No, Ithought it was great. I thought I
thought, you knowingly head, it'sall beautiful. She said, it's like

(55:22):
pizza. Tweet said, it's nobad pizza. That's what she said.
Um, so that'll give you swollencorn all right? So um, I
mean overall, I'd give it.You know, in eight out of ten,
you did great job editing the bullshitthat like I fucked up, right,
because I mean, you know,we're we've had two or three waters

(55:44):
at that point in time, andthe ice cubes are kicking in, right.
Yeah, I'm not talking about fuckingyou know Compton ice cube. I'm
talking about like Montan and ice cube. Those are kicking in, and you
know it's fun. That's all good. And um, you know we probably
droned on about some stuff like tonight. Um. Actually we didn't drone all.

(56:06):
This is usable um for Greg's episode. So I thought it was wonderful.
You know. Um, as muchas I told you earlier, I
hate listening to my voice, Iactually did listen the whole thing. I
was like, yeah, I actuallywork. It's pretty funny. Like I
liked it. Yeah, you know, it was great. I thought it
was compelling the whole time. AndI was like, oh, tell me
more right. You know, I'velistened to all your episodes and and I

(56:30):
loved all of your former players andthey're all gonna be on counterpoints on Patreon.
I'm gonna go back and get everybody. Yep. This is episode three
point seven. Yeah. Um,so any final thoughts. I got a
couple of hours, so yeah,I got a complain thoughts. We can

(56:50):
always do a part two. Somethingelse comes up. There will be a
lot to come up. He said, um, so yeah, no,
um, I did one. Westarted on something and then I feel like
we had to finish on it,right, So the eleven mile Challenge?
Oh yeah, shit right? AddUm. So I was in New Mexico

(57:20):
and I was traveling there for myprevious job. Okay, and um,
I was down there and as Iwent down, I like, I listened
to podcasts and and things of illrepute, like this podcast. Um,
and you know when you you youmoved on next thing. And so I

(57:45):
heard something I don't remember what wason. It was called the eleven mile
Challenge, and they talked about goingin your caring and you have to go
out on this weird wilderness and thenyou have to like do this chant and
get naked and use pepper. Iam doing it shit, but and you

(58:05):
know, so it's like, comeon, It's like the stuff we talked
about earlier with the paranorm. I'mlike, you know, I like,
I've I've been around some weird stuff, but this is stupid. Like You're
gonna go every mile and it justget worse, and there's demon done this
out of your windows and then allof a sudden you're here goes out like
I'm like, this is stupid,right, yeah, so stupid that it
was in my head for like threedays. And so I'm down in New

(58:28):
Mexico and I'm with a client andwe're finishing up dinner and you know,
get New Mexico. Albuquerque is prettyslow these days, just pandemic wipe some
stuff out, and they're like,hey, let's I'm gonna go home.
Like yeah, I'm gonna head backup to my hotel, which is,
you know, thirty miles north.And he was eight thirties so it was

(58:49):
kindly. So as I'm heading up, I'm like, oh man, there's
a crazy rainstorm. I've been hitby lightning twice. I wonder if I
can you hit the third time?Seeking it out, it was like,
come on, let's bring this,bring it, come on, Alco Balwin
can't kill everyone. So um,I was hitting up there that Santa Fe

(59:09):
related just icalerum. So I washitting up and you know where I was
at my hotel, I was like, yeah, kind of on the edge
of Albuquerque. I'm like, youknow I'm gonna do is go there and
do stupid work. So let's dothis eleven mile challenge. I'm just gonna
everybody wrong. Okay, So mindyou. I just left this pretty big

(59:31):
rainstorm as monsoon season in Albuquerque,and I was just raining a lot,
and it's coming my way and tothe side mountain that I've never been to,
and I'm like, but this isa good place. Is exactly where
you're supposed to get lost. Well, I didn't tell anybody I'm doing this.
I just did it right, right, so no one knows where you
are, correct. And I getout there and it's actually pretty beautiful.

(59:53):
It's like kind of the Beverly Hills, like Albuquiue is like very nice houses,
a big stuff, not a lotof lights. Um found out later
as a reservation. But you gothrough it and it's you know, we're
very dark and foreboding. Yeah,that's really God like you get those weird
exactly. I'm like, I can'tmess this up, like this eleven challenge

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mile challenge. Okay, so letme get a little background. You're gonna
do your own wiki stuff, whichis fine. Um, So if you
win this eleven mile challenge, whateverwished you get, whatever you wish will
come true if you can make it. Get out of this Okay, cool,
right, So, um, thedownside is if you don't make it

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through it, you're and dye.Okay, So I mean it's pretty pretty
easy, rightly. And all theseYouTubers I watched that did the eleven mile
challenge they won. I'm like,god damn YouTubers, like good good on
you. I can't believe you've editedor you win. So I'm like this,
this ship doesn't work. So Iwent through. I found some of
the rules. You can find themonline. I'm not gonna go through all

(01:00:57):
of them, but they're stupid.And I'm like, okay, so I'm
anna start, and I have tojust kind of say I'm ready in the
car, right, and then youhave to shut off pretty much all your
electronics like your phone, your radioand stuff obviously in that car. But
and so I did that, andlow, hold, I'm in this kind

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of back all of woods. Andwhat's supposed to tell you that you're starting
is that you find a road unpaid road. And I was on a
paved road, but there's unpaid roadon the right, and I'm like,
oh, fuck, pool is it? I'm starting? So turn off right.
No one knows where I'm at.Just nine pm at this point down

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because its about a half hour frommy hotel. Was even I was thus
north and um, there's a stormcoming. So I turn off, I
go down this road and there's youknow, it's kind of cool houses down
here. I'm like, god,this really does kind of remember Beverly Hills
and the you know, the NorthHollywood Hills and just not obvious expense of
these there probably three hundred thousand dollarrooms and going down there and it leads

(01:02:05):
me back to like the main town, which there's only one post office in
my town. Like, well,but this was like point one miles,
like this wasn't my challenge, right, stupid And so at that point in
time, at nine fifteen, I'dprobably should turn around went home. I
did, not good. And thenit's the story. So I said,

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you know what, let's go upa little further. Maybe that dirt road
or whatever will present itself. Andnot even a mile later, I'm up
there and again not really much manylights, and I'm on the back of
the mountain. I can kind ofsee some stuff, but sure enough,
dirt road. Like I just runonto a dirt road and I'm like,
oh, yeah, my challenge isstarted. Yeah, eleven miles. Here

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we go, baby, so startmy You know, I can't have electronics,
but I get year a dollar exactly, So start that, start going
and for a smile, no bigdeal, like actually there was some house
over here, like I mean things, But I'm noticing that this dirt road
is going up the mountain. Right. Anyone who's been to Albuquerque and seeing

(01:03:12):
the mountains behind Albuquerque, you're gonnaunderstand what I'm saying. They're they're steep,
they're very drastic. They're like tellyour ride type of stuff. Right,
and but only right behind Albuquerque,not not to the plan. Just
right behind Albuquerque. You've just seenbreaking bad. So um, get there,
and I'm going through and about miletwo and that's when the road starts
to get a little twisty. Right, you go right left, I'm starting

(01:03:36):
to go up the mountains. Yes, let's remind everyone, no one knows
where I'm at. No one,my wife, no one probably gonna have
coverage if you put your phone backon. Anyway, correct, my phone's
off, but that Craig is correcton that point. My radio's off.
Like I can't have my carfect,I can only have my car. That's
the rules, right, And nowa mile two, I'm waiting for my

(01:03:59):
heater go out. Well it didn'tgo out, so I'm like, yeah,
fuck you, This fucking stupid lovemile Chown's stupid. Well, so
now I'm on to maybe mile three, and everything's fine, you're going to
switch backs now, I'm definitely goingup the mountain. It's still a dirt
road. And what I realized inlike that four miles I'm like, damn,
there's no one out here, likeit's kind of a national park.

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I get I'm in a reservation,but it's a national park like should be.
I was like, ah, maybethat's a stupid fucking monsoon storm coming.
I don't know, maybe people gotout. Okay, so get up.
I'm rolling through probably now about milefive, and every mile something stupid
is supposed to happen. Nothing hashappened, right, nothing just or clear

(01:04:42):
has happened. And so it wasmile six, of course it was right
six six six, So mile six, I literally look at my a dometer.
Now things are getting little weird andI'm in my white jeep. Yeah
right, so this motherfucking four wheeldrive monster and uh, I'm like,
okay, well getting pretty bumpy,like you know, this is a true

(01:05:09):
trail. And I just at milesix, I took the left and it
was not just a road, butit was a washed out creek down right.
So there's still remnants of whatever monsooncame down that time, and like
washed out the road. You cansee a mill. And I'm like,
I can't I'm at mile six.I can't off die, Like I will

(01:05:30):
die if I turn around, Likethat's the rules. I gotta keep going.
So I did, and I'm rollingmy jeep like now what I was,
you know, probably going like threeto four or five miles an hour
up to switch back right to takea while. It took a while,
and this gets worse. So,um, you know, at this point
in time, I'm probably miles sixand it's ten so it's a little foggy.

(01:05:57):
The storm's coming in the rain storm. I left like two hours early,
and this is horrifying. Yeah,I go ahead, and so so
I'm like, well, what doyou do. I'm not gonna die,
So I keep going. So I'mrolling up this fucking um switchbacks and they
are straight up boulders, straight upboulders, like I'm not talking like crazy,

(01:06:17):
like four or four four by wheelof geep with monster wheels, boulders.
Those are crazy, but it wascrazy, like I should not be
driving out this and I'm only atmile fucking seven. Yea, the rain
starting, So now about a mileseven, I'm coming up and I realized

(01:06:39):
there should be be able here.I'm passing a camp round. There's a
campground there right right as I'm halfwayup then, except no one's there,
right, what's really not reasserting?As I'm drying about the fucking thing.
There's a sign that should be aspeed sign and someone did the black spray
paint and put in a pentagram.No shit, miles seven, I'm like,

(01:06:59):
and everything in this eleven mile challengeis supposed to tell you, don't
They're supposed to stop you, likeghosts are coming like whatever, like everything
right, yeah, that's yeah,because Motley Crue is about to play.
Nope, I sell four miles,so still wind up this thing, and
I'm not kid you. At thatpoint in time, a mile seven is

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probably ten o'clock. It took meanother hour to get to almost eleven.
I'm at like ten at this pointin time, and some crazy shit that's
been happening. No ghosts on sideof my car. Sorry report. I
saw that on Unsolved Mysteries and ithappened on a reservation in New Mexico.
But anyway, yeah, that's whereI was. But I was proven a

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point, and you know, therewere some crazy things. And then all
of a sudden, I finally getto the eleven mile mark and I shit
you not. It had been foggythe whole way up. I have no
electronics, right, it's been foggythe whole way up. But as I
hit mile eleven, all sudden thefog lifted and I looked to my left
at the place I just came down, and I'm at almost the top of

(01:08:06):
this mountain. And again, ifyou've been to Albuquerque, you know the
mountains are talking about you breaking.You know there you go, Yeah,
I'm gonna stop that fucking mountain becauseI could see all the way down to
the Old Money and then there's themountains right there. Yep. So for
like those two hours, I slowlycrawled up that mountain and did a lot
of bouldering. And now I'm like, I will I get my I get

(01:08:30):
my ship, Like, yeah,fucking one. Right, So I have
to do the Austin Powers thing becausewhere this goes the back of the road.
It goes to a town behind Albuquerque, like Albucautes are there in this
town. But I haven't been downthat road. I know how terrible it
was coming up. And now therain is coming right, and I'm like,
I might as well go back theway I know. Right, Okay,

(01:08:54):
I'm not gonna go the way Idon't know, because that could be
worse than the way. I justcame up out of the devil, you
know, than the devil you don'tsponsored by aderall Um. And so that's
what I did. But I wason this little tiny dirt path road that
no one knew where I was at. It's now eleven PM, right,

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and as I'm doing the Michael Myersthing right the when he was in the
Little Love part, right, itwas that that's how right, that's how
tiny is little dirt road that Ihave to kind of turn around, so
I don't go that way. I'mgonna go this way. As I'm turn
around, I'm almost ready. Ifinally did it. My seventy two seventy

(01:09:39):
second turn. My fucking radio goeson boom on tone and loud, like
just straight like they're like, oh, my god, is loud right,
like straight up scared the piss outof me, right because I was still
i'd beat it. But there weresome weird things right the pentagram, there's
some other no go a strange thingright, but there wasn't. It was

(01:10:00):
so dark just because how boggy itwas, like as you're coming these switchbacks,
like, I'm glad there was noone else out there, because I
probably would have. They would havewrecked into me, Like it's that boggy
that you're going to hiding a bodyout there? About that? So we
haven't beenished story, so um,yeah, that's right, that's it's a

(01:10:21):
fun one. Um oh my god. So as I finally get turned around
right and the blacking radio blast andI turned my radio off, and I'm
coming back down the fucking road slowlybecause I now I'm going bouldering the other
way, but at least I knowthe way. It's raining, it's not
pouring, it's not like like crazylike it was when I left four hours
ago and Alburet. But as I'mcoming down right and I'm going a little

(01:10:45):
faster and I know the roads andI'm getting down and sure enough the storm
went crazy but it went past meso like it was, I was going
slow, so it wasn't that reallybig a deal. But as I'm like
a from where I know I startedthe journey to back to the papin where

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everything started, I'm going down theseswitchbacks and I'm going down a switchback this
way and my lights are only goingyou know, probably five miles right,
so not very far. And bythe time you hit switchback, that's about
far because you can't see it's thatdark switchback. Yeah. And as I'm
hitting that, I won't say lastswitchback because there's a couple more, but

(01:11:27):
almost last switchback, there's a girlstanding on the edge of the road,
clear as day. I can seeeverything right now in my until you exactly.
She was wearing like these weird overalls, like um, they're like what
the Pennsylvania Dutch, Yeah right,but in just cream. But she wasn't

(01:11:48):
looking at me. I could seeher hair. It was styled, it
was curly. She was looking downinto whatever the valley was that I was
switching back, and I'm like,uh, what do I do? I
mean, I mean, there's solet me again preface that in this three

(01:12:09):
fucking hour tour, like the Gilligantour, right, the three hour tour.
So your wish was to bang somestrange check. No, we'll get
to that in a second. So, um, that would be that would
be weird and crazy. No,but here he's the fucking person. I'm
like, dude, I mean,if you're out here and you just escaped

(01:12:29):
anon, good for you. Ijust went around the turner turn and kept
going. I didn't stop. Okay, yeah, I wouldn't have stopped.
It was too like horror movie,right, yeah, but I kind of
like and she wasn't looking at me. She was looking down at the thing.
And so you know who knows whatit was? I will tell you
this UM listener from Auckland. Ithis it's one of those things, like

(01:12:55):
the ghost story. I can't explain, like there's there's no science other than
maybe I was so paranoid and thisnever happened in my life. Maybe I
was so amped up that a treelooked like this girl with these cream overalls
and a blue shirt and she hadcurly brown hair and she was stood about

(01:13:15):
five tan. I guarantee, youknow that probably wasn't my brain, but
it could be, right, Ican't guarantee one way or the other,
and I just hope the best bar. I'm like, listen, I can't.
I'm not stopping. That's yeah,I'm sorry. Like um, in
the true crime rule, it's nevera mannequin. You had one, You

(01:13:39):
had point three miles to turn aroundand tell me something's wrong, but you
didn't. You stared out into thenether Land and jin signal USUL flag you
down. Did she move at all? So that's a great question. I
don't really know in my head.It was so quick. But I can,
of course recall what she's wearing stuff. I don't really recall it she

(01:14:00):
moved, Okay, I wonder ifit was like us. Jeez, I
don't know. I get done withthat. A mile later, I'm back
on the highway, right back downto my I'm hit in my hotel and
I'm just thinking, fucking what thefuck did I just do? I did
almost four hours up the side ofthe mountain that no one knew us going

(01:14:23):
through in a dark and storm inDirkt storm, Dirkt storming, and so
um, listeners, I wouldn't suggestyou with that, but I won Now
ask me what I want? Nothing, straight bullshit, bullshit story. Wish
it hasn't arrived yet, hasn't rightyet. Yeah, it could be.

(01:14:45):
You know, there's supposed to beum, you know, at least like
a ten year cursed thing. ButI'll tell you if to have some bad
luck lately, I don't know ifthat's related to it, but it Yeah,
I don't mess with it anymore.After that whole Weigi I don't even
mess with it. Like my roommate. Like when I had my roommate,

(01:15:06):
he got a weigie board. I'mlike, get that out of this apartment
right now, dude, and hedid. My wife did that. She
hated I got a Weigi board asa joke and she I literally had to
go to the park down Street andthrow it. Yeah, dude, I
get I get stabbed in the facebecause of Parker Brothers. You know what,
even like it's so weird, youdon't mess with it. I don't
mess with it. I don't putmy hand to it. I don't so

(01:15:28):
in your last forty two years,seven forty seven years on this earth.
Yeah, funny that we're both thefirst seven two Oh no, I'm forty
eight. Sorry, I'm olter.But what is one thing that you regret?
What's the one thing in forty sevenyears, you regret not to get

(01:15:54):
deeper, Philsoft No, I meanone thing. There's a million things,
right, That's why it's hard toget one thing. What was the worst,
like the craziest, not the worst. Actually shouldn't even be the worst.
I mean they could have been learningpoint could have been like dude,
had I said a little louder,I could have been guillor Godfrey, like
what I mean, my mind justI mean, this isn't the the biggest

(01:16:21):
one. I've talked about this onthe podcast, but literally on that game
show when I said Africa, afterI said it could it should have been
South America and I said Africa anyway, like I could have won a bunch
of money. I mean, andI just like it was just like national
television. Everybody saw it that.I know. I was getting Facebook messages
from strangers like hey, Greg,I saw your doggy dog thing blubber you

(01:16:44):
lost Jesus Christ. It's like awful. It's like like Casey at the bad
moment, I felt like everything andjust yeah, everything kind of went south
after that. I don't know.I think there's a really good point in
that, and I think every singleperson including all listeners, including all your
Patreon listeners. Those guys, theyknow it. They've all had that point,

(01:17:06):
and I think that's important for usas a society. Actually did kind
of call out and say, dude, we've all been a dumbass at something.
That's how you, that makes youwho you are and teaches you.
Yeah, don't don't let that defininglife. Ever, Yeah it doesn't.
And I'm not saying it does foryou. I was just when you brought
that up, like, that's areally good point, right, I'll tell

(01:17:28):
you this, Like, you knowwhat I regret is like that last two
months when I was trying to helpsomebody out because I learned, you know,
the property manager it was yawning atme because of the scene that was
made when the cops were here andeverything, and he goes, he goes,
Greg, he goes, look whatyou did. You try to do
something good and it came back onyou. So basically, the lesson learned
was don't do anything. It wasthe opposite of every lesson I grew up

(01:17:49):
learning. It's like every TV showthat they had the moral of the story
and everything that was like good.Like I was told by everybody I know
what are you doing? Don't tryto help. I was like, yeah,
I guess you're right. So nowwe jumped ahead because of add But
now you have to give the listenerjust a brief over you of what you're
talking about. Why you even hadthat last conversation, because they have no

(01:18:12):
idea about the guest. Yeah,but she was a little a little wacko,
right, A lot a lot.What's that one of those? Oh?
Yeah, um? But yeah.Anyway, Um, well we're at
an hour and twenty. Well,this is Greg's episode, this episode,

(01:18:34):
this is episode fifty four, right, Greg's episode. Um, and we're
here talking with Greg about a lotof Greg. Right. Um, Greg's
had a lot of We've done alot of chance, We've done a lot
of No. Absolutely, but Ithink this shop would be fun if actually
you had an episode on there.I think people would be actually very excited
to hear the episode. Yeah that'strue. And I told you the ghost

(01:18:57):
story and stuff and then my recentfreedom. I feel like William Wallace,
you know, celebrating went to advatary. Yeah, so yeah, that's where
everything's at right now, folks.Um, this has been chance on counterpoints,
and we might come back and dosome more. We'll see what happens,
but for an hour and twenty we'regonna leave it there right now.
And thanks for thanks for subscribing onPatreon Barbarians. Yeah, we'll see you

(01:19:24):
next time. You want to saybye Chance? By chance? By chance?
Do you want to say goodbye byeChance? I would like to say
bye, appreciate, yell, andhave a good night and more stories to
come. Oh, I see youguys. Cheers, cheers,