June 27, 2025 • 52 mins
In this episode, Gill chats with Andrea about her fascinating journey from a corporate career to becoming a transformational coach and active member of Collaboration Global. They dive deep into the power of intuition, navigating life’s transitions, and embracing love-based decision-making over fear.
Andrea shares insights from her life in Prague, her experience of the Velvet Revolution, and how those events shaped her perspective on global citizenship and community. Together, they explore the importance of kindness, personal growth, and the courage to step outside of comfort zones.
Gill and Andrea also pull back the curtain on the podcast creation process, discuss plans for growing their global community, and share tips on balancing wellbeing—plus a few laughs about tech hiccups and self-care remedies.
The conversation explores how to trust and develop intuition in both personal and professional life. Andrea and Gill reflect on the natural cycles of personal growth and the importance of recognising and embracing life’s major transitions. Andrea introduces her Glow Guide, a framework for making decisions based on love rather than fear. They also share real-life examples of how small acts of kindness can transform challenging situations. A key focus is on how to build meaningful collaborations rooted in connection and mutual support rather than transactional motives. Finally, they discuss how to expand business opportunities while fostering genuine global partnerships.
Andrea shares insights from her life in Prague, her experience of the Velvet Revolution, and how those events shaped her perspective on global citizenship and community. Together, they explore the importance of kindness, personal growth, and the courage to step outside of comfort zones.
Gill and Andrea also pull back the curtain on the podcast creation process, discuss plans for growing their global community, and share tips on balancing wellbeing—plus a few laughs about tech hiccups and self-care remedies.
The conversation explores how to trust and develop intuition in both personal and professional life. Andrea and Gill reflect on the natural cycles of personal growth and the importance of recognising and embracing life’s major transitions. Andrea introduces her Glow Guide, a framework for making decisions based on love rather than fear. They also share real-life examples of how small acts of kindness can transform challenging situations. A key focus is on how to build meaningful collaborations rooted in connection and mutual support rather than transactional motives. Finally, they discuss how to expand business opportunities while fostering genuine global partnerships.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to the podcast Being Human Hidden Depths
with one of our members from Collaboration Global, the wonderful
Andrea Clinchakova. All the way from Prague. I've been practicing
how to say your name, Andrew, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's lovely to have you here, lovely to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Thank you, And for those of you that are listening
to this at some point, do try and pop over
and see us live on the YouTube channel. Because Andrea
has got the most beautiful background behind her and with
the words the Globe Guide in them, and it's like
beautiful sunset with the beach all the things that I
love in the world. Whenever I'm feeling down or I
need some support or help, I go to the sea.
(00:46):
I go to the ocean, not just any ocean. It's
got to be the right one, my happy place. And
if there's a sunset there as well, then it's like
everything's right in the world. So we're going to be
talking a lot about consciousness and energy and flow, but
before we do, I'd just like to ask the question
(01:07):
what kind of attracted you to Collaboration Global? What made
you become a member? Andrea, Oh, she doesn't expect this.
Can I just say for our listeners, we never prep
our members or any guests that we have with the questions,
because that would be cheating. We just have a proper
conversation that you or anybody else might have with them.
(01:28):
Just let's be curious. It's my job to be curious
on your behalf. So I'm just curious. Andrea, you've got
a reason or you just go yeah, because you seem
like nice people.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's for sure, for sure. And yes, I talked to someone,
to some of my friends, and they mentioned you, and
then I checked you, obviously, and then we started to
(01:57):
talk and then it was like, okay, I think I
want to be among this people. So yeah, yeah, it
was a coincidence, as there are no coincidences.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh my goodness, so many times. Yeah. I used to
believe in coincidence, but it's happened so often around this
community that there's no such thing as coincidence. There's a
reason that you're here, and there's a reason why we're
talking today, and I think what a lot of people
are attracted to. Hang on, I'm just going to plug
in my laptop.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Here you go.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
This is real life, isn't it. I just realized that
I've been moving around the house today, and it helps
if your laptop's got some battery and we're plugged in now,
so we're not going to go off here. There was
a yes. I realized that today we are as a
society and global community more isolated because well a lot
(02:56):
of people work from home or work in offices. On
your own because you're just focused in this laptop, this
computer in front of you. And never more than ever
have we been able to connect around the world than
we do today. So there's a blessing and a curse
on the same side of the coin. So knowing that
there are people out there that have passion and vision
(03:18):
and expectation of what legacy they want to leave and
they're all on their own, it's like, whoa. It's my
job to bring them together and make sure that we
can help each other and do what we can and
even sometimes just to hang out and enjoy each other's
company and share. I had a bad day, it was
really awful, or had this amazing day, it was fantastic
(03:39):
because that energy, that flow of energy is just such
a positive thing to be part of. So I'm really
glad you decided to join us. You chose to join us,
and I'm excited to see where the journey is going
to take you. Who knows. Who knows. Some people just
come and jog along for a little while, nothing happens,
(04:00):
but they just enjoy being around nice people. Some people
come in and go whush, and they run off and
do all sorts of things straight away. So but let's
get back to you. It's not about all about collaboration level,
well most of it, A little bit is Andrea tell everybody.
I mean, when I was over in America, we were
on holiday. Once people would you get chatting in they
(04:21):
go soul, where are you from? And that was a
phrase that we always as a family, sub where are
you from? What do you do? Where do you come from?
Tell us a little bit about what I've been there.
The beautiful city of Prague where you are currently having
your base.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, Prague is beautiful. Yes, that's very true. I live
here for about thirty years now, wow, yeah, quite a
long time. But originally I am Slovak. I'm from the
other part of what once was Czechoslovakiah, so I am
(04:59):
from the Slovakia part, okay, and now I live in
the Czecho, but country do you remember?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Can you tell us a bit more about the split
of Czechoslovakia, because I'm vaguely aware of it in my background,
but obviously a lot of our members are from the
US and probably have no concept of what happened. Have
you got can you give us a quick history lesson
on what the split was about?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That is another unexpected and tough to answer question.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
When did it happen?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Roughly?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
The split was at the very beginning of ninety nineties.
It started in nineteen eighty nine West what is called
Velvet Revolution, and velved because there were nearly no guns
and death involved nearly.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
That was a good revolution to start with.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Revolution, and it was started by students and artists and creatives.
So that's why it was done in this kind of
way what I'm proud of, and not many historical lessons
(06:27):
will tell you that, because that the date is seventeenth
of November, that's the anniversary, that's when it happened and
everything here in Prague, however, the day before sixteenth of
November there was already the very first a price, So
(06:47):
we can say in Bratislava in Slovakia, where my mates
from the university already were in streets and we're taken
to prison and stuff. So I am proud of being
Slovak and I love living integri public in Prague.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I am both. Oh, that's lovely. And ultimately we are
all global citizens, aren't we. We are so even as
a child, it always amazed me that you could draw
a line on the land and say I belong here
and you belong there, and it's like, but it's still
the land. It's like, how who are you to say
that that's right and that's wrong. It's just always And
(07:27):
then when people die over the land, I'm like, well, no,
it's everybody's. It's everybody's. We share it. It's called being
good children. You share things. And I know that's very simplistic.
And I know a lot of people tell them, well
scoff and tell me that's unrealistic.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, and for me it is like, Okay, I am Slovak.
Now I live here in Prague, but my company is
in London. My partner is British. I worked with people
in more than seventy different from more than seventy different nationalities. Wow,
I travel the world. Oh, I feel home nearly everywhere,
(08:05):
not everywhere. Yeh. Yeah, that's one of the things which
is so beautiful in our collaboration global it is global.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, yeah. And I think the home is wherever your
heart is, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Isn't it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, And the people that you love. If you can
give someone wherever you are a hug, even if it's
a total stranger, then that's home as far as I'm concerned,
that's good enough. Yeah, exactly. It's that choice again, isn't
it that choosing what you want to believe? If you
feel like, oh, I'm not at home, you can get homesick,
and you can get upset by being somewhere that's a
(08:45):
little bit strange, or you can go this is somewhere
that's a bit strange. This is a good thing, they explore.
Let me find new people, let me find other things
that are amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah. And it is about that choice. And we have
choice every single moment, no matter what's happening, We always
have choice. And actually the thing is that we are
always choosing, even when we are not aware of it,
but we are always choosing.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, And I like that. The feeling of choice is
about for me, is about empowerment. I choose even if
it's a bad situation that I choose to be in
that situation, even if I can't run away, I'm choosing
to be in that situation. Therefore, I am empowered to
do something about it. And that might just be something
in my head, it might be something in my heart,
(09:38):
but I'm empowering myself to choose it so that I
don't become a victim of it. Of what's going on
where decisions for me are slightly cutting off my possibility,
my options. There's a lot to be done in words,
isn't there There's a lot of power in words. When
people say to me, oh, I'm really trying to do this,
I'm trying to do that, I'm like, don't try, just
(09:59):
do it. Do it example, or don't do it, you know,
but make a choice. They don't try. Interesting, So you
haven't always too well. Give us a brief outline of
your what you consider to be your genius. Now, not
everybody considers themselves a genius. We're not all professing to
be Einstein. But I believe that everyone's got that gold,
(10:20):
that genius inside of them. So what do you consider
when you're in your flow? What is it that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Are you going to have some easy questions today for me?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Sorry, I'll just be nosy. Okay, what's two plus? No,
I'm not going to go down there.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I would say that, Okay, what am I going to do?
One of the strongest things are for me from my
perspective is uh.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
In or knowing.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I will call it this way. Probably that's that might
be the easiest. What it What it means for me
is that, oh, very often I just know things. I
just know them. H My partner always asked me, how
do you know it? I don't know, I just know it.
(11:23):
Just trust me.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Take a left, turn a lot or right, I just
know it. I just yeah, yeah, and and.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
So so so. Yeah, that is that is very important
thing for me. People. People can call it intuition or
gut feeling, or there is some different names for it.
But it's just that when you when you are really
(11:55):
centered in you and you know.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You know, you know yeah. Now, do you think that
is a special gift that you have been had bestowed
on you or do you believe that that is something
that we can all access and get a handle.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
We can all access it. The question is if we
are accessing it.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Right Okay, now we get interesting. This is I love
this stuff. Right. Firstly, when did you first acknowledge or
spot that you had tuned into your intuition you're inner
knowing in this way?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay, Well I always knew it, and I was, at
the same time told by everyone in my environment. Never
told that to anyone, Just keep it to yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So yeah, I just shut the doors on my inner
knowing for a very long time. And yeah, then it
was quite hard to come back to it.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well, it takes practice, doesn't it. That's the thing. So
when you tell other people that they have this potential
within them, what would we look out for to spot that? Huh?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Is it something you can turn on and turn off?
Or is it something that you've just got a new
spot and you get all this information fed into you
that you know, I know where that car park space
is going to be, or I know what's going to
happen the day after tomorrow. Can you describe to people
who have never experienced this kind of connection to your
inner knowing one what it feels like, but two, how
(13:46):
might they spot it in themselves?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Okay, I would I would go where what just happened
is that immediately. There are several different response is I
can choose from what am I going to say? One
of the things which you said that, how would I
(14:15):
explain it to someone who never experienced it. I don't
think that there is a single person on this earth
who didn't experience it. It's some time in their lives. Okay,
that's good to know, because it's all those It's all
those moments when you come somewhere completely strange, new, different
(14:38):
place you've never been to, and you just come there and.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
You, yeah, I know it here. Yeah, that's weird, and
I have had that. Yeah, and you know what's around
the corner as well. You can remember going around the
corner and you can almost say what's around the corner
before you get there.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I love it, Yeah, exactly exactly. So that is one
of the ways how you experience this intuition, you know,
knowing whatever we call it. The other thing is sometimes
you meet someone completely new and you don't even start
(15:19):
to talk to the person and you know that, actually,
I don't want to have anything in common with that person,
or the exact opposite. This person seems like amazing someone.
I want to know them better. Yeah, that's again and.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Part of this, yeah, I must, Yeah, I love that.
I love that feeling when it feels like you've always
known them and you've So I met somebody once and
had never met him before, but I said to him
as we met, do I know you from somewhere? Anyway?
I think we do. I think I know you as well,
I'm not sure where. So we literally spent the whole
(15:57):
evening going so I used to play table tennis. No, no,
us to play tennis, and I used to do this?
And what school did you go to? We went through
everything the whole evening, to the extent that his partner
and mine just stop talking about it. You don't know
each other, let's let it go. Anyway, we both went off.
About two months later, we went out for dinner together
and we sat in the corner just but what about this?
And what about that? I think? And we had to
(16:18):
agree that we've never met, we could never have met.
We've gone through everything, but we feel like we're brother
and sister. It just feels like we were so in line,
and it was such a strong feeling, and the fact
that he felt it as much as I did. We
were like, well, we don't know what it means, but
we obviously know each other from another lifetime. It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, okay, this is going completely different way. That's odd.
It's wrong to go. I told that we are going
to talk about businesses or leadership or something, and here
we go and we talk about bad lives. Well, if
you if you had that feeling, you definitely where somewhere
(17:01):
in some bars life together. That's how it works.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh, I'm sure we were friends. We were
good friends back then. It is fascinating in it because
a lot of these things that we can't explain, because
we can't explain them, well, it's just not true, is it.
It's our brain playing tricks on us, and you got
to dismiss it, and you try to have cold, hard
facts and therefore I know this, Therefore it is. But
(17:26):
when you don't know, I'm not sure it could it possibly?
And the explanations become fuzzy, and a lot of people
because they don't understand what they don't know, And there's
an awful lot of stuff we don't know. We don't know.
You know, you know that you're not a brain surgeon
(17:47):
and you couldn't operate on someone's brain. But there's this
whole other stuff that you don't even know. You don't
know that you don't know. There's a load of stuff
you know that you don't know, but massive amount that
you don't know that you don't know, so we can't
begin having an open mind to everything that's possible. Is
part for me the joy of collaboration global when people
(18:07):
come and they say the weirdest things, really weird things,
and we don't dismiss them and go, well that's ridiculous.
We go okay, it's interesting. Tell me the more when
you have those conversations and it's like you don't necessarily
agree with it or you don't necessarily understand it, but
(18:27):
you are open minded enough to go, well, maybe that happened,
and if it did, what that was incredible and it
kind of puts the rest of the world on an
access of like I thought I knew stuff, but now
I'm not so sure. Yeah, it's interesting that. Yeah, I mean,
we can talk about business if you want to, but
I think this is much more interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah. But you have.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Turned your in a knowing, your talent, your gift into
a business, haven't you. I mean where did that start?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Ah? Parishly, not fully, but yes, for a very long time.
For okay, step.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Back three times ago. I was.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Exactly. I worked in corporate world for nearly twenty years.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Wow, and you came out alive. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Nearly nearly. Yeah, it was very difficult at the end.
But one of the things, one of the things which
were really difficult at that time was that I just
knew some things and I couldn't say them, and I
(19:58):
had to do things which I I knew are not
going to end well, but I had to do it
because that was the corporate environment. That was very hard.
That was very difficult. Then I started my own company,
and I kind of combined the first several first ten
(20:23):
years of my twenty years of having my own business,
was still working with and for global corporations. So it
was easier for me because I already was able to
bring some new approaches, new ways of looking at things,
(20:45):
but again not always I was able to really go
where I wanted to go. So then I had to
stop working completely with corporations and now I do just
my own stuff. And again it's there are people who
(21:05):
are open to these kind of things. There are people
who are not open at all. I always ask at
the very beginning. What are their beliefs, what they what
they think? What just what the what is their view
of the world and universe around us? So that I
know what I can say, what I can't say, what
(21:27):
is their language? And we start there and quite often,
quite often because one one of the group of people
I work with quite closely lately are really senior lawyers
in the big, big, big corporation, so that they have
(21:50):
their view point of view, that they have their ideas
about everything that and and to go to anything close
to spirituality, no matter what word we use for it,
it's like, no, no, that's not me.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
That's a shame it is.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And at the same time, it's like, Okay, this is
what you want to work this is what we are
going to work on. And I and I work with people.
Oh six months is the minimum program. As we go
through different things, and during those six months, people suddenly
(22:35):
start to ask questions and start to describe things differently,
even though I don't bring it at all to the conversation.
We work on really business stuff, but just being in
my presence is enough to start. I wanted to say healing,
(22:57):
but I know that that's not the word. Everyone would
use but opening up. Yeah. Two other other ways of
thinking being seeing things, experiencing things. When you work with me,
you would hear me saying, just play with it, just
(23:21):
experiment with it, you know, And that's that's the way
how we can everyone can start to open up and
experience life and work in a different way.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah. Yeah, And I was just thinking it kind of
likened there are so many people that are caught in
the this is what I know. This is my safety
comfort zone, and I'm not going to go outside of it.
But actually my comfort zone is strangling me and it's
too tight, and I'm not happy, and I can't, you know,
make make any sense of the world because it doesn't
(24:01):
fit anymore. It reminded me of how I'm not sure
where this is, but they train elephants to not go
a certain distance by chaining them up, don't they, So
when they're little, they can only go so far, and
then they take the chain off, and that elephant just
goes to that distance and doesn't go further than that.
And I think it's like you're you're getting rid of
(24:23):
the chains so that they can, in a safe space
find out what other things are out there without freaking
themselves out and without having too much choice, because sometimes
if you go down that rabbit hole called Google or
the Internet in general, you come up with, you know,
(24:43):
it can make it life so confusing, even from a
practical perspective, when you go in there and say, can
you compare these two softwares? And it can boom and
you've got a exillion things and it's like, I didn't
know about that one. Oh there's that one. Oh my goodness,
there's that one, and I don't know what I just
wanted to have a look at that one. And now
all of a sudden you do nothing because you got
too much choice. I mean talking about choice earlier, but
(25:03):
you want to have this or that you don't know
if that that it's too much, and then we get
paralyzed by analysis and the way things are going. So
I love the fact that you're not telling people what
they should think, because that just doesn't work. You're inviting
them to see the world from a different perspective. I can.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I can use examples from my own life, or just
say a story about some other client I had, without
talking about the client, just the essence of the lesson.
I use those because I think those are the best
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ones when we are trying to see the way through.
But no, I'm not. I'm not one of those people
who are going to tell you you have to do
it exactly this way and no other way.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's like I wrote a book on how to collaborate,
and I'm very quick to say, this is not the
definitive way. This is just one way that I have
found works for me, and other people will find other ways.
But if you've got no way at the moment, then
this is probably a good place to start. But because
there aren't very many other books out there that teach
you how you can do it. Have you got one
(26:24):
of your favorite stories then to share to give us
an example.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, one of the things, one of the things maybe, Okay,
it came to me, so I'm going to use it.
One of the things which shure recently. We work on
(26:50):
very often with many people, and we talk about it
with nearly everyone. It seems at this moment there's hmmm,
how to call it? I will I will use the
phrase identity shift, because we all as as we evolve,
(27:16):
as we go through our life, we are evolving. Usually
we don't stay in that small zone. And and with that,
what comes is uh what I call identity shift, and
(27:37):
what it means is that even though everything looks still
really good from the outside, inside we start to feel
like it doesn't feel as good anymore. It starts to
feel like, yes, I know everything works, but is this all?
(28:07):
And that's what somehow becomes a theme at this moment
and suddenly is everywhere around me. And it actually can
happen several times during the lifetime. It's not just one
big bang and suddenly everything is different. It's never like that.
(28:32):
It just grapes on you slowly, silently, quietly, and suddenly
it's like, what's going on? And again it's about that choice.
It's you have a choice of what you do with
that moment when you realize that actually, yes this is
(28:53):
all nice and beautiful, but it's not me anymore. And again,
everyone can decide in whatever way they want to decide.
When it happened to me, I left the situation. I
just burn all the bridges behind me. Wow, and just
(29:18):
started from scratch. That happened to me two wise in
my life still now, and it was difficult, it was tough.
Maybe today I would do some things differently, but actually
I am happy that I.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Did that well at the time, it was the right
choice for you, wasn't it. And there's no point having
regrets over what could have been, might have been, should
have been, and all of those kind of thoughts. Is Yeah.
I was talking to somebody this morning actually about that
where there are rhythms where in your life where you
go through this I'm happy or this is not working. Oh,
(29:55):
I don't know what to do for me. It's roughly
every seven years, so about five years. The first five
years is like whoh, and then after about five years
I'm like, yeah, it's not and it just doesn't feel
quite the same. It's not comfortable, and I'm not really sure.
And by the end of the up to the seven
year period, it's like, okay, and I'm going to do this.
And it doesn't mean to say necessarily, you know, a
(30:17):
ninety degree change or one hundred and eighty degree change.
It can just be like ten degrees, same sort of thing,
but slightly differently, and then you move forward and then
you've got back that mojo and that fun of where
you're going. So I didn't have to leave the corporate world.
I used to be a school teacher, but that wasn't.
And I'd taken about seven years, eight years to get
(30:38):
into the job and do the job and all the
rest of it by the time you've got your degree
in anyway, and it just wasn't right for me for
a multitude of reasons. As much as I loved being
in the classroom with the children, do you know how
much bread to take those poor teachers have to go
through every single week. It's crazy, the pile of rubbish
they have to go through and admin not my thing.
(31:01):
So for me it's every sort of seven years. I
can see it looking back. If only somebody told me
in the beginning, every seven years, Jill, you're going to
change slightly, and I'll be geared up for it. But no,
I've only worked it out now. My kind of career
is almost over, a bit late now, but I can
see that thing of being able to understand your flow
and understand. And this lady I was talking to, she
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reckons that every five years she goes through the same
reinventing herself, only because she's learned more about herself so
she realizes what she needs from change. So when you
first start out, you're kind of people pleaser, and you
try and do this and do this and make everybody happy,
and then bit by bit by bit you go, no,
(31:44):
hang on, what about me? What makes me happy? And
I don't know? And then you have to go on
that journey and then work out how your occupation or
your job or your the things that you do on
a daily basis with the things that make you happy.
And nobody's going to be happy all the time, you know,
(32:06):
if you are, I think you're probably lying, but to
yourself if nobody else. But we are searching for that
little happy space all the time, and that inner joy
and that contentment and that mojo that gives us that
energy and that buzz and that purpose in life. So
I think what you're saying is lovely that you know,
(32:27):
having that opportunity to reinvent yourself must have been exciting.
But at the same time you went full, I'm leaving
everything behind and I'm going to do something new that's
quite scary. How old were you at that point when
you said, right, that's it, I'm off ah roughly, or
(32:48):
you're going to say it's the twenty first in November nineteen.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well, Well, yeah, okay, I said it happened, whise it
happened several times over my time, but okay, as an
adult and if I if I look only at work
kind of part of my life, definitely around thirty thirty
(33:15):
three christ each that's one of the pinpoints and usual cycles.
You said seven years usual. Usually yes it is seven years,
Sometimes it's five. The cycle can be nine years. We
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have it individual cycles, but there's one cycle no one
really talks about, and it's a year long cycle from
birthday to birthday. Because we have our own personal seasons
(34:00):
from birthday to birthday exactly as it is in our nature.
We have our personal spring, summer, autumn, winter, where our
energy goes up and down based on our personal season
and cycle. So that's another yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So do you plan your life knowing all the things
that you've learned over the years, do you plan your
life going forward from the seasons, your seasons, from your
energy flow or do you just kind of listen to
your inner in a voice and your your intuition to
be guided with where you're taking it?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
A good question. What did helped me is that I
know are when something is going on, I can check
with myself, Actually I'm in my spring some whatever season.
So I know that why the energy is as it is.
(35:05):
That that's one thing how it helps me. The other
thing is I love plans. I really do love to
plant things, and I love my to do list and
all of these kind of things. And at the same
time I know that whatever I make my plans still
(35:26):
to do list. Guys up there are just laughing because
they just know that they are going to change it anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
So damn well, it says in the Bible, isn't it
God has a plan for you exactly. We don't need
to worry. But I like it to do lists as well.
So it just makes you feel productive, ticking things off
and going this, did that? Today?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
That was?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Today was a good day. So can you tell me
you've got the glow guide behind you? Can you tell
me what the glow guide is?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Mm hmm. It's one of my what did you call it? Passions? Yeah? Yeah,
because that there are there are three words which are
(36:26):
coming to me all the time. One of them is happiness.
The other one is love, and they go together with
success for sure. How to be happy and successful at
the same time and loving not only your life and
(36:48):
work but also yourself and everyone and everything. So the
Glow Guide is a simple framework which I come up
with and L in it is exactly for love. Because
whatever goals we have, whatever plans we make, whatever options
(37:14):
we see in front of us, it's very different when
it is based in fear or need or lack and
when it is based on love. So the center that
the l in the Globe guide is about love. Everything
about love from this point of view. Yeah, and when
(37:40):
we make plans and when we make goals and when
we take action from the place of love instead of
fear and control, it's completely different story. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, it's a different energy, isn't it. Totally. That's why
I talk about true collaboration, which is about founded on love,
as opposed to transactional collaboration, which is all about what's
in it for me? What can I get out of
this collaboration. And whilst it has been proven obviously by
the the big rich boys in the world that you know,
(38:15):
those kind of transactions do work, I would bet my
bottom dollar that none of them are particularly happy. Yeah,
And what would you rather have a happy, fulfilled life
with you know, a tenth of what they have, or
a happy fulfilled life with or no feel all the
money in the world. Quite literally, I'm just not happy
(38:41):
with with where you are and who you are. It's
crazy sign. And I'm sure there are some people that
will say they're happy with all the money in the world,
but I'd like to walk a mile in their shoes
and just see if that is true. Let's getting a
bit cynical now, sorry, let's change the subject slightly. Let's
change the subject. So where do we go from here?
(39:05):
What what do you do? So you basically you're out
there helping corporate CEOs and the big boys to realize
that there's more to life than just making money. And
if they've got to a certain point in their life
and they're stuck, you're able to help them out of
that comfort zone and help them realize that there are
other things to life that you can support them with.
(39:29):
So what do you do to have fun and have
a good life? What are your go to things when
you're having when you've woken up and you're just in
a grumpy mood and you're not really sure why I
have those days? What's your go to to kind of
change the mood.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
The thing is that that I do practice this for
so long that it's kind of easy for me because
it's it is a choice. So so I'm not I'm
not saying that I'm always happy and sitting on the
(40:14):
clouds up there. No, I don't. But oh the difference
is that when I'm grumpy, when I'm angry, when I'm frustrated,
when I'm overwhelmed, when I'm stuck, whatever it is, I
am very well aware that it is my choice. Yeah,
(40:42):
and sometimes it's really no nice, but I know, but
I know it, and and so so to answer the question,
I choose whether I want to stay in it or
whether I don't want to stay in it. And my
partner loves it because oh it's I can't. I never
(41:05):
can tell him it's your fault. You are making me angry,
you are making me unhappy, you are making me this
or that, because he knows that I know it's my choice.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, yeah, very true, very true. I mean it was
like the old adage. I remember being told, you know,
if you wake up in the morning and you stub
your toe and you think, oh, no, this is going
to be a terrible day, well then it will be
a terrible day and you choose it to be so.
But if you just go, oh, I stub my toe, yeah,
and move on. Then your day is what you want
to make it what it can be, although I do
(41:38):
beg the question. When I was going through the menopause,
I would have one day a month where all of
my anger and upset seem to be consolidated into I
would wake up having had a really bad dream about
my children being mutilated, raped, and murdered, and I would
ring them up set are you alive? Yes, we're alive. Mother. Okay,
(41:59):
so good, Say to anybody, cancel my meetings. I know
I'm gonna have twenty four hours of ye rage because
the hormone is all over the place. The next day
I was out for the count because I was exhausted
from all of that rage. But I couldn't kind of
do anying about it. But I was aware of it,
so I was able to kind of. I said to
my business partner, you don't want to see me today
(42:20):
because if you exhale, I'll have you. He's like, okay, bye, seeah,
it's gone. And that's what I had to do for
the best part of three years in order to survive
that a bit. But luckily, I mean it was one
day a month with the overflow of the second day,
and I got away light. I think over that period
(42:42):
where a lot of women go through hell on Earth
and think they're going crazy, but away from those kind
of hormone problems that people have, the imbalance. Once you
get yourself back into balance, you're okay. It is a
powerful choice, but a powerful choice you have, and it's
really hard to come away from what society has taught
(43:02):
us that, you know, she said, he said, they disrespected me,
I'm going to judge them. I'm going to blame him
or her, And then it just is a vicious circle.
And all you're doing is taking the poison and expecting
somebody else to be affected by it. You're just poisoning
and hurting yourself in the long run. And just because
(43:24):
you know that doesn't mean to say somebody doesn't upset you.
But you can still work out how to disassociate yourself
from the pain of the upset in order to deal
with the person that has upset you and work out
a way to come to a good conclusion around it.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
And that again, it's about that choice, and you're beautifully
chosen to take care of yourself in those one days
in the month that's that's because you had different choices,
but you've chosen this. Yeah, and that's beautiful. And and
(44:09):
with those people, yes, of course there are people out
there and situations and whatever what can make us angry, frustrated, whatever,
they are not in our control. In my control is
only how I feel, how I approach it, what I
(44:31):
do or not do in that moment, and that's that choice,
and no one can take us that choice from us.
So so yes, obviously I have a story. When you
ask about the story, there was one one grocery shop
(44:56):
where we used to go shopping every week, and there
was one specific shop assistant which was always grumpy, awful, horrible,
And she was one of those people who really can
just ruin everything for you. She she could be so nasty. Wow.
(45:21):
And so when when we saw her in the show, no, no,
we're not going to her, We're going to some other
show assistant. Until one day when we were like, hey,
I'm teaching this sport over a decade, so let's use it.
(45:41):
And I decided at that moment, I'm going to be
really nice to her and I'm not going to let
her to ruin my day. And from that moment on,
we both were very nice to her, always said no,
ask her, how is she? How is her day? Of
(46:01):
this character she was, she hated it. At the beginning,
she was even nastier half the time. She became not
a friend. But she started to talk to us. She
started to chat with us. She started to ask her
how are we? She started to tell do you know
(46:26):
we have that that discount? Did you see that? She
completely different person? And it was so funny to see
how how grampa she is to all the other people
around us, But once she saw us, she was like.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Son, if only everybody had that feeling. And you know,
it doesn't take much to be kind, is it? And
and that has a powerful effect, doesn't it. I mean,
I've got to show you these. These are pink, So
check out pink socks dot life if you're wanting to
find out. Two pairs of pink socks. And it says
(47:07):
the world is full of good when you believe it,
you see it. Keep on doing that, and he says,
you're going to make people smile each time you wear
your pink socks. And the guy that sent these to me,
Nick Adkins, of Pink Socks Life, sent me several pairs
so that I can keep a pair and give some away,
and it's just sharing the love, getting it out there
(47:30):
and being kind. I used to work for local authority
in the housing department. You have no idea how many
people wanted to have an argument with me every single
day because they weren't getting what they wanted from the
local authority. And all I could do was kill them
with kindness. Yeah, killed them. And my daughter did the
same thing at university when somebody was being horrible to her.
(47:51):
I said, now your acting skills are going to come
into play. You are so nice to her, right, your
ears are going to bleed. But go off and find
new friends because she's not very nice to you. She's
done something horrible to you, but you'd be nice to
her and don't let her see that you're upset. And
at the end of that year, this girl came up
to her and went, I'm so sorry I did that
(48:12):
to you. Will you ever forgive me? So you know,
it's hurt people. Hurt people, and we need to find
ways of being kind. Even if it's just a smile,
say good morning to somebody that looks like they're about
to bite your head off.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
It changes.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
It's like, oh, well, you know, it's like they're not
expecting it. And if everybody did that, to spread a
little bit of love and a little bit of kindness,
we'd have a different world. To exactly, what are your
dreams for the coming few years? What in your wildest
dreams for our planet, for the people that you work with,
(48:49):
for you and your business. Have you got any you
say you like a plan? What are your plans coming up?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I have to plan under that. I said, everything is
changing all the time for me at this moment, and
I think for everyone because everything is changing. So actually
I don't have plans in the way that by the
end of the year, by the end of the three years,
I don't have those. But I'm going to say something
(49:29):
I didn't say for a very long time, okay, because
for years and years and years, I'm always saying that
my bigger mission on this planet is to help people
to be happy, because I believe that when we are happy,
(49:54):
and I don't mean that surface level bubbly happy, but
really deep happy inside of us. When we are happy
in this way, everything is so much easier and nicer,
And it doesn't matter whether whether it's relationships, whether it's
our health, whether it's money, whether it's whatever, it doesn't matter.
(50:20):
If we are happy inside of us, everything is easier.
So yeah, that's what I'm trying to do every day
as much as i can.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Beautiful. Well, on that note, Andrea, it's been absolutely delight
talking to you today. I love your view on life
and let's hope you create what you want in order
to create that happiness for as many people as possible.
And there are different ways to get through to that,
and you give them lots of possibilities and options along
(50:58):
the way. If anybody would like to get hold of you,
what's the easiest way for people to contact you?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
They can find me on LinkedIn, they can find me
on our instagram. My that page is going to be changed,
but I feel they can have a look at it.
And it's changelity dot com. Uh, that's that's one of
(51:32):
the one of the words which we created that I'm
going to put it next to my name. Ah if
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Changility, Yeah, the ability to change. Yes, yeah, I like that.
Angelity dot dot com. That's beautiful. So we'll put that
into the show notes as well. But if anybody would
like to meet on a zoom call, with Andrew. You
can find her at our Collaboration Global guest sessions and
they are twice a month now, the second Thursday and
(52:03):
the last Tuesday of the month. Go to Collaboration Global
dot org and you can book yourself in and you
can find us on event right as well. Yes, please
do that because these are amazing people. Oh Yill and
everyone I met, well, I'm so glad you joined as well.
There's always this kind of space waiting to be filled
(52:25):
by somebody that's got their magic and what they want
to do with the world, and everybody in the Collaboration
Global community are just up to some good in a big,
big way, and even if you would like to be
up to some good in a little way, then there's
a space here for you as well. So thank you Andrea,
and we will see you all next time.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Thanks for coming, Thank you so much for holding this
space for all of us. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Thank you
Hello, and welcome to the podcast Being Human Hidden Depths
with one of our members from Collaboration Global, the wonderful
Andrea Clinchakova. All the way from Prague. I've been practicing
how to say your name, Andrew, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's lovely to have you here, lovely to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Thank you, And for those of you that are listening
to this at some point, do try and pop over
and see us live on the YouTube channel. Because Andrea
has got the most beautiful background behind her and with
the words the Globe Guide in them, and it's like
beautiful sunset with the beach all the things that I
love in the world. Whenever I'm feeling down or I
need some support or help, I go to the sea.
(00:46):
I go to the ocean, not just any ocean. It's
got to be the right one, my happy place. And
if there's a sunset there as well, then it's like
everything's right in the world. So we're going to be
talking a lot about consciousness and energy and flow, but
before we do, I'd just like to ask the question
(01:07):
what kind of attracted you to Collaboration Global? What made
you become a member? Andrea, Oh, she doesn't expect this.
Can I just say for our listeners, we never prep
our members or any guests that we have with the questions,
because that would be cheating. We just have a proper
conversation that you or anybody else might have with them.
(01:28):
Just let's be curious. It's my job to be curious
on your behalf. So I'm just curious. Andrea, you've got
a reason or you just go yeah, because you seem
like nice people.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's for sure, for sure. And yes, I talked to someone,
to some of my friends, and they mentioned you, and
then I checked you, obviously, and then we started to
(01:57):
talk and then it was like, okay, I think I
want to be among this people. So yeah, yeah, it
was a coincidence, as there are no coincidences.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh my goodness, so many times. Yeah. I used to
believe in coincidence, but it's happened so often around this
community that there's no such thing as coincidence. There's a
reason that you're here, and there's a reason why we're
talking today, and I think what a lot of people
are attracted to. Hang on, I'm just going to plug
in my laptop.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Here you go.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
This is real life, isn't it. I just realized that
I've been moving around the house today, and it helps
if your laptop's got some battery and we're plugged in now,
so we're not going to go off here. There was
a yes. I realized that today we are as a
society and global community more isolated because well a lot
(02:56):
of people work from home or work in offices. On
your own because you're just focused in this laptop, this
computer in front of you. And never more than ever
have we been able to connect around the world than
we do today. So there's a blessing and a curse
on the same side of the coin. So knowing that
there are people out there that have passion and vision
(03:18):
and expectation of what legacy they want to leave and
they're all on their own, it's like, whoa. It's my
job to bring them together and make sure that we
can help each other and do what we can and
even sometimes just to hang out and enjoy each other's
company and share. I had a bad day, it was
really awful, or had this amazing day, it was fantastic
(03:39):
because that energy, that flow of energy is just such
a positive thing to be part of. So I'm really
glad you decided to join us. You chose to join us,
and I'm excited to see where the journey is going
to take you. Who knows. Who knows. Some people just
come and jog along for a little while, nothing happens,
(04:00):
but they just enjoy being around nice people. Some people
come in and go whush, and they run off and
do all sorts of things straight away. So but let's
get back to you. It's not about all about collaboration level,
well most of it, A little bit is Andrea tell everybody.
I mean, when I was over in America, we were
on holiday. Once people would you get chatting in they
(04:21):
go soul, where are you from? And that was a
phrase that we always as a family, sub where are
you from? What do you do? Where do you come from?
Tell us a little bit about what I've been there.
The beautiful city of Prague where you are currently having
your base.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, Prague is beautiful. Yes, that's very true. I live
here for about thirty years now, wow, yeah, quite a
long time. But originally I am Slovak. I'm from the
other part of what once was Czechoslovakiah, so I am
(04:59):
from the Slovakia part, okay, and now I live in
the Czecho, but country do you remember?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Can you tell us a bit more about the split
of Czechoslovakia, because I'm vaguely aware of it in my background,
but obviously a lot of our members are from the
US and probably have no concept of what happened. Have
you got can you give us a quick history lesson
on what the split was about?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That is another unexpected and tough to answer question.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
When did it happen?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Roughly?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
The split was at the very beginning of ninety nineties.
It started in nineteen eighty nine West what is called
Velvet Revolution, and velved because there were nearly no guns
and death involved nearly.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
That was a good revolution to start with.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Revolution, and it was started by students and artists and creatives.
So that's why it was done in this kind of
way what I'm proud of, and not many historical lessons
(06:27):
will tell you that, because that the date is seventeenth
of November, that's the anniversary, that's when it happened and
everything here in Prague, however, the day before sixteenth of
November there was already the very first a price, So
(06:47):
we can say in Bratislava in Slovakia, where my mates
from the university already were in streets and we're taken
to prison and stuff. So I am proud of being
Slovak and I love living integri public in Prague.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I am both. Oh, that's lovely. And ultimately we are
all global citizens, aren't we. We are so even as
a child, it always amazed me that you could draw
a line on the land and say I belong here
and you belong there, and it's like, but it's still
the land. It's like, how who are you to say
that that's right and that's wrong. It's just always And
(07:27):
then when people die over the land, I'm like, well, no,
it's everybody's. It's everybody's. We share it. It's called being
good children. You share things. And I know that's very simplistic.
And I know a lot of people tell them, well
scoff and tell me that's unrealistic.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, and for me it is like, Okay, I am Slovak.
Now I live here in Prague, but my company is
in London. My partner is British. I worked with people
in more than seventy different from more than seventy different nationalities. Wow,
I travel the world. Oh, I feel home nearly everywhere,
(08:05):
not everywhere. Yeh. Yeah, that's one of the things which
is so beautiful in our collaboration global it is global.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, yeah. And I think the home is wherever your
heart is, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Isn't it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, And the people that you love. If you can
give someone wherever you are a hug, even if it's
a total stranger, then that's home as far as I'm concerned,
that's good enough. Yeah, exactly. It's that choice again, isn't
it that choosing what you want to believe? If you
feel like, oh, I'm not at home, you can get homesick,
and you can get upset by being somewhere that's a
(08:45):
little bit strange, or you can go this is somewhere
that's a bit strange. This is a good thing, they explore.
Let me find new people, let me find other things
that are amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah. And it is about that choice. And we have
choice every single moment, no matter what's happening, We always
have choice. And actually the thing is that we are
always choosing, even when we are not aware of it,
but we are always choosing.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, And I like that. The feeling of choice is
about for me, is about empowerment. I choose even if
it's a bad situation that I choose to be in
that situation, even if I can't run away, I'm choosing
to be in that situation. Therefore, I am empowered to
do something about it. And that might just be something
in my head, it might be something in my heart,
(09:38):
but I'm empowering myself to choose it so that I
don't become a victim of it. Of what's going on
where decisions for me are slightly cutting off my possibility,
my options. There's a lot to be done in words,
isn't there There's a lot of power in words. When
people say to me, oh, I'm really trying to do this,
I'm trying to do that, I'm like, don't try, just
(09:59):
do it. Do it example, or don't do it, you know,
but make a choice. They don't try. Interesting, So you
haven't always too well. Give us a brief outline of
your what you consider to be your genius. Now, not
everybody considers themselves a genius. We're not all professing to
be Einstein. But I believe that everyone's got that gold,
(10:20):
that genius inside of them. So what do you consider
when you're in your flow? What is it that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Are you going to have some easy questions today for me?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Sorry, I'll just be nosy. Okay, what's two plus? No,
I'm not going to go down there.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I would say that, Okay, what am I going to do?
One of the strongest things are for me from my
perspective is uh.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
In or knowing.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I will call it this way. Probably that's that might
be the easiest. What it What it means for me
is that, oh, very often I just know things. I
just know them. H My partner always asked me, how
do you know it? I don't know, I just know it.
(11:23):
Just trust me.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Take a left, turn a lot or right, I just
know it. I just yeah, yeah, and and.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
So so so. Yeah, that is that is very important
thing for me. People. People can call it intuition or
gut feeling, or there is some different names for it.
But it's just that when you when you are really
(11:55):
centered in you and you know.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You know, you know yeah. Now, do you think that
is a special gift that you have been had bestowed
on you or do you believe that that is something
that we can all access and get a handle.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
We can all access it. The question is if we
are accessing it.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Right Okay, now we get interesting. This is I love
this stuff. Right. Firstly, when did you first acknowledge or
spot that you had tuned into your intuition you're inner
knowing in this way?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay, Well I always knew it, and I was, at
the same time told by everyone in my environment. Never
told that to anyone, Just keep it to yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So yeah, I just shut the doors on my inner
knowing for a very long time. And yeah, then it
was quite hard to come back to it.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well, it takes practice, doesn't it. That's the thing. So
when you tell other people that they have this potential
within them, what would we look out for to spot that? Huh?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Is it something you can turn on and turn off?
Or is it something that you've just got a new
spot and you get all this information fed into you
that you know, I know where that car park space
is going to be, or I know what's going to
happen the day after tomorrow. Can you describe to people
who have never experienced this kind of connection to your
inner knowing one what it feels like, but two, how
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might they spot it in themselves?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Okay, I would I would go where what just happened
is that immediately. There are several different response is I
can choose from what am I going to say? One
of the things which you said that, how would I
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explain it to someone who never experienced it. I don't
think that there is a single person on this earth
who didn't experience it. It's some time in their lives. Okay,
that's good to know, because it's all those It's all
those moments when you come somewhere completely strange, new, different
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place you've never been to, and you just come there and.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
You, yeah, I know it here. Yeah, that's weird, and
I have had that. Yeah, and you know what's around
the corner as well. You can remember going around the
corner and you can almost say what's around the corner
before you get there.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I love it, Yeah, exactly exactly. So that is one
of the ways how you experience this intuition, you know,
knowing whatever we call it. The other thing is sometimes
you meet someone completely new and you don't even start
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to talk to the person and you know that, actually,
I don't want to have anything in common with that person,
or the exact opposite. This person seems like amazing someone.
I want to know them better. Yeah, that's again and.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Part of this, yeah, I must, Yeah, I love that.
I love that feeling when it feels like you've always
known them and you've So I met somebody once and
had never met him before, but I said to him
as we met, do I know you from somewhere? Anyway?
I think we do. I think I know you as well,
I'm not sure where. So we literally spent the whole
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evening going so I used to play table tennis. No, no,
us to play tennis, and I used to do this?
And what school did you go to? We went through
everything the whole evening, to the extent that his partner
and mine just stop talking about it. You don't know
each other, let's let it go. Anyway, we both went off.
About two months later, we went out for dinner together
and we sat in the corner just but what about this?
And what about that? I think? And we had to
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agree that we've never met, we could never have met.
We've gone through everything, but we feel like we're brother
and sister. It just feels like we were so in line,
and it was such a strong feeling, and the fact
that he felt it as much as I did. We
were like, well, we don't know what it means, but
we obviously know each other from another lifetime. It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, okay, this is going completely different way. That's odd.
It's wrong to go. I told that we are going
to talk about businesses or leadership or something, and here
we go and we talk about bad lives. Well, if
you if you had that feeling, you definitely where somewhere
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in some bars life together. That's how it works.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh, I'm sure we were friends. We were
good friends back then. It is fascinating in it because
a lot of these things that we can't explain, because
we can't explain them, well, it's just not true, is it.
It's our brain playing tricks on us, and you got
to dismiss it, and you try to have cold, hard
facts and therefore I know this, Therefore it is. But
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when you don't know, I'm not sure it could it possibly?
And the explanations become fuzzy, and a lot of people
because they don't understand what they don't know, And there's
an awful lot of stuff we don't know. We don't know.
You know, you know that you're not a brain surgeon
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and you couldn't operate on someone's brain. But there's this
whole other stuff that you don't even know. You don't
know that you don't know. There's a load of stuff
you know that you don't know, but massive amount that
you don't know that you don't know, so we can't
begin having an open mind to everything that's possible. Is
part for me the joy of collaboration global when people
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come and they say the weirdest things, really weird things,
and we don't dismiss them and go, well that's ridiculous.
We go okay, it's interesting. Tell me the more when
you have those conversations and it's like you don't necessarily
agree with it or you don't necessarily understand it, but
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you are open minded enough to go, well, maybe that happened,
and if it did, what that was incredible and it
kind of puts the rest of the world on an
access of like I thought I knew stuff, but now
I'm not so sure. Yeah, it's interesting that. Yeah, I mean,
we can talk about business if you want to, but
I think this is much more interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah. But you have.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Turned your in a knowing, your talent, your gift into
a business, haven't you. I mean where did that start?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Ah? Parishly, not fully, but yes, for a very long time.
For okay, step.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Back three times ago. I was.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Exactly. I worked in corporate world for nearly twenty years.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Wow, and you came out alive. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Nearly nearly. Yeah, it was very difficult at the end.
But one of the things, one of the things which
were really difficult at that time was that I just
knew some things and I couldn't say them, and I
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had to do things which I I knew are not
going to end well, but I had to do it
because that was the corporate environment. That was very hard.
That was very difficult. Then I started my own company,
and I kind of combined the first several first ten
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years of my twenty years of having my own business,
was still working with and for global corporations. So it
was easier for me because I already was able to
bring some new approaches, new ways of looking at things,
(20:45):
but again not always I was able to really go
where I wanted to go. So then I had to
stop working completely with corporations and now I do just
my own stuff. And again it's there are people who
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are open to these kind of things. There are people
who are not open at all. I always ask at
the very beginning. What are their beliefs, what they what
they think? What just what the what is their view
of the world and universe around us? So that I
know what I can say, what I can't say, what
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is their language? And we start there and quite often,
quite often because one one of the group of people
I work with quite closely lately are really senior lawyers
in the big, big, big corporation, so that they have
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their view point of view, that they have their ideas
about everything that and and to go to anything close
to spirituality, no matter what word we use for it,
it's like, no, no, that's not me.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
That's a shame it is.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And at the same time, it's like, Okay, this is
what you want to work this is what we are
going to work on. And I and I work with people.
Oh six months is the minimum program. As we go
through different things, and during those six months, people suddenly
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start to ask questions and start to describe things differently,
even though I don't bring it at all to the conversation.
We work on really business stuff, but just being in
my presence is enough to start. I wanted to say healing,
(22:57):
but I know that that's not the word. Everyone would
use but opening up. Yeah. Two other other ways of
thinking being seeing things, experiencing things. When you work with me,
you would hear me saying, just play with it, just
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experiment with it, you know, And that's that's the way
how we can everyone can start to open up and
experience life and work in a different way.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah. Yeah, And I was just thinking it kind of
likened there are so many people that are caught in
the this is what I know. This is my safety
comfort zone, and I'm not going to go outside of it.
But actually my comfort zone is strangling me and it's
too tight, and I'm not happy, and I can't, you know,
make make any sense of the world because it doesn't
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fit anymore. It reminded me of how I'm not sure
where this is, but they train elephants to not go
a certain distance by chaining them up, don't they, So
when they're little, they can only go so far, and
then they take the chain off, and that elephant just
goes to that distance and doesn't go further than that.
And I think it's like you're you're getting rid of
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the chains so that they can, in a safe space
find out what other things are out there without freaking
themselves out and without having too much choice, because sometimes
if you go down that rabbit hole called Google or
the Internet in general, you come up with, you know,
(24:43):
it can make it life so confusing, even from a
practical perspective, when you go in there and say, can
you compare these two softwares? And it can boom and
you've got a exillion things and it's like, I didn't
know about that one. Oh there's that one. Oh my goodness,
there's that one, and I don't know what I just
wanted to have a look at that one. And now
all of a sudden you do nothing because you got
too much choice. I mean talking about choice earlier, but
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you want to have this or that you don't know
if that that it's too much, and then we get
paralyzed by analysis and the way things are going. So
I love the fact that you're not telling people what
they should think, because that just doesn't work. You're inviting
them to see the world from a different perspective. I can.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I can use examples from my own life, or just
say a story about some other client I had, without
talking about the client, just the essence of the lesson.
I use those because I think those are the best
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ones when we are trying to see the way through.
But no, I'm not. I'm not one of those people
who are going to tell you you have to do
it exactly this way and no other way.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's like I wrote a book on how to collaborate,
and I'm very quick to say, this is not the
definitive way. This is just one way that I have
found works for me, and other people will find other ways.
But if you've got no way at the moment, then
this is probably a good place to start. But because
there aren't very many other books out there that teach
you how you can do it. Have you got one
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of your favorite stories then to share to give us
an example.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, one of the things, one of the things maybe, Okay,
it came to me, so I'm going to use it.
One of the things which shure recently. We work on
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very often with many people, and we talk about it
with nearly everyone. It seems at this moment there's hmmm,
how to call it? I will I will use the
phrase identity shift, because we all as as we evolve,
(27:16):
as we go through our life, we are evolving. Usually
we don't stay in that small zone. And and with that,
what comes is uh what I call identity shift, and
(27:37):
what it means is that even though everything looks still
really good from the outside, inside we start to feel
like it doesn't feel as good anymore. It starts to
feel like, yes, I know everything works, but is this all?
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And that's what somehow becomes a theme at this moment
and suddenly is everywhere around me. And it actually can
happen several times during the lifetime. It's not just one
big bang and suddenly everything is different. It's never like that.
(28:32):
It just grapes on you slowly, silently, quietly, and suddenly
it's like, what's going on? And again it's about that choice.
It's you have a choice of what you do with
that moment when you realize that actually, yes this is
(28:53):
all nice and beautiful, but it's not me anymore. And again,
everyone can decide in whatever way they want to decide.
When it happened to me, I left the situation. I
just burn all the bridges behind me. Wow, and just
(29:18):
started from scratch. That happened to me two wise in
my life still now, and it was difficult, it was tough.
Maybe today I would do some things differently, but actually
I am happy that I.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Did that well at the time, it was the right
choice for you, wasn't it. And there's no point having
regrets over what could have been, might have been, should
have been, and all of those kind of thoughts. Is Yeah.
I was talking to somebody this morning actually about that
where there are rhythms where in your life where you
go through this I'm happy or this is not working. Oh,
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I don't know what to do for me. It's roughly
every seven years, so about five years. The first five
years is like whoh, and then after about five years
I'm like, yeah, it's not and it just doesn't feel
quite the same. It's not comfortable, and I'm not really sure.
And by the end of the up to the seven
year period, it's like, okay, and I'm going to do this.
And it doesn't mean to say necessarily, you know, a
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ninety degree change or one hundred and eighty degree change.
It can just be like ten degrees, same sort of thing,
but slightly differently, and then you move forward and then
you've got back that mojo and that fun of where
you're going. So I didn't have to leave the corporate world.
I used to be a school teacher, but that wasn't.
And I'd taken about seven years, eight years to get
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into the job and do the job and all the
rest of it by the time you've got your degree
in anyway, and it just wasn't right for me for
a multitude of reasons. As much as I loved being
in the classroom with the children, do you know how
much bread to take those poor teachers have to go
through every single week. It's crazy, the pile of rubbish
they have to go through and admin not my thing.
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So for me it's every sort of seven years. I
can see it looking back. If only somebody told me
in the beginning, every seven years, Jill, you're going to
change slightly, and I'll be geared up for it. But no,
I've only worked it out now. My kind of career
is almost over, a bit late now, but I can
see that thing of being able to understand your flow
and understand. And this lady I was talking to, she
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reckons that every five years she goes through the same
reinventing herself, only because she's learned more about herself so
she realizes what she needs from change. So when you
first start out, you're kind of people pleaser, and you
try and do this and do this and make everybody happy,
and then bit by bit by bit you go, no,
(31:44):
hang on, what about me? What makes me happy? And
I don't know? And then you have to go on
that journey and then work out how your occupation or
your job or your the things that you do on
a daily basis with the things that make you happy.
And nobody's going to be happy all the time, you know,
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if you are, I think you're probably lying, but to
yourself if nobody else. But we are searching for that
little happy space all the time, and that inner joy
and that contentment and that mojo that gives us that
energy and that buzz and that purpose in life. So
I think what you're saying is lovely that you know,
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having that opportunity to reinvent yourself must have been exciting.
But at the same time you went full, I'm leaving
everything behind and I'm going to do something new that's
quite scary. How old were you at that point when
you said, right, that's it, I'm off ah roughly, or
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you're going to say it's the twenty first in November nineteen.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well, Well, yeah, okay, I said it happened, whise it
happened several times over my time, but okay, as an
adult and if I if I look only at work
kind of part of my life, definitely around thirty thirty
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three christ each that's one of the pinpoints and usual cycles.
You said seven years usual. Usually yes it is seven years,
Sometimes it's five. The cycle can be nine years. We
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have it individual cycles, but there's one cycle no one
really talks about, and it's a year long cycle from
birthday to birthday. Because we have our own personal seasons
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from birthday to birthday exactly as it is in our nature.
We have our personal spring, summer, autumn, winter, where our
energy goes up and down based on our personal season
and cycle. So that's another yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
So do you plan your life knowing all the things
that you've learned over the years, do you plan your
life going forward from the seasons, your seasons, from your
energy flow or do you just kind of listen to
your inner in a voice and your your intuition to
be guided with where you're taking it?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
A good question. What did helped me is that I
know are when something is going on, I can check
with myself, Actually I'm in my spring some whatever season.
So I know that why the energy is as it is.
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That that's one thing how it helps me. The other
thing is I love plans. I really do love to
plant things, and I love my to do list and
all of these kind of things. And at the same
time I know that whatever I make my plans still
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to do list. Guys up there are just laughing because
they just know that they are going to change it anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
So damn well, it says in the Bible, isn't it
God has a plan for you exactly. We don't need
to worry. But I like it to do lists as well.
So it just makes you feel productive, ticking things off
and going this, did that? Today?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
That was?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Today was a good day. So can you tell me
you've got the glow guide behind you? Can you tell
me what the glow guide is?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Mm hmm. It's one of my what did you call it? Passions? Yeah? Yeah,
because that there are there are three words which are
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coming to me all the time. One of them is happiness.
The other one is love, and they go together with
success for sure. How to be happy and successful at
the same time and loving not only your life and
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work but also yourself and everyone and everything. So the
Glow Guide is a simple framework which I come up
with and L in it is exactly for love. Because
whatever goals we have, whatever plans we make, whatever options
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we see in front of us, it's very different when
it is based in fear or need or lack and
when it is based on love. So the center that
the l in the Globe guide is about love. Everything
about love from this point of view. Yeah, and when
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we make plans and when we make goals and when
we take action from the place of love instead of
fear and control, it's completely different story. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, it's a different energy, isn't it. Totally. That's why
I talk about true collaboration, which is about founded on love,
as opposed to transactional collaboration, which is all about what's
in it for me? What can I get out of
this collaboration. And whilst it has been proven obviously by
the the big rich boys in the world that you know,
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those kind of transactions do work, I would bet my
bottom dollar that none of them are particularly happy. Yeah,
And what would you rather have a happy, fulfilled life
with you know, a tenth of what they have, or
a happy fulfilled life with or no feel all the
money in the world. Quite literally, I'm just not happy
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with with where you are and who you are. It's
crazy sign. And I'm sure there are some people that
will say they're happy with all the money in the world,
but I'd like to walk a mile in their shoes
and just see if that is true. Let's getting a
bit cynical now, sorry, let's change the subject slightly. Let's
change the subject. So where do we go from here?
(39:05):
What what do you do? So you basically you're out
there helping corporate CEOs and the big boys to realize
that there's more to life than just making money. And
if they've got to a certain point in their life
and they're stuck, you're able to help them out of
that comfort zone and help them realize that there are
other things to life that you can support them with.
(39:29):
So what do you do to have fun and have
a good life? What are your go to things when
you're having when you've woken up and you're just in
a grumpy mood and you're not really sure why I
have those days? What's your go to to kind of
change the mood.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
The thing is that that I do practice this for
so long that it's kind of easy for me because
it's it is a choice. So so I'm not I'm
not saying that I'm always happy and sitting on the
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clouds up there. No, I don't. But oh the difference
is that when I'm grumpy, when I'm angry, when I'm frustrated,
when I'm overwhelmed, when I'm stuck, whatever it is, I
am very well aware that it is my choice. Yeah,
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and sometimes it's really no nice, but I know, but
I know it, and and so so to answer the question,
I choose whether I want to stay in it or
whether I don't want to stay in it. And my
partner loves it because oh it's I can't. I never
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can tell him it's your fault. You are making me angry,
you are making me unhappy, you are making me this
or that, because he knows that I know it's my choice.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, yeah, very true, very true. I mean it was
like the old adage. I remember being told, you know,
if you wake up in the morning and you stub
your toe and you think, oh, no, this is going
to be a terrible day, well then it will be
a terrible day and you choose it to be so.
But if you just go, oh, I stub my toe, yeah,
and move on. Then your day is what you want
to make it what it can be, although I do
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beg the question. When I was going through the menopause,
I would have one day a month where all of
my anger and upset seem to be consolidated into I
would wake up having had a really bad dream about
my children being mutilated, raped, and murdered, and I would
ring them up set are you alive? Yes, we're alive. Mother. Okay,
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so good, Say to anybody, cancel my meetings. I know
I'm gonna have twenty four hours of ye rage because
the hormone is all over the place. The next day
I was out for the count because I was exhausted
from all of that rage. But I couldn't kind of
do anying about it. But I was aware of it,
so I was able to kind of. I said to
my business partner, you don't want to see me today
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because if you exhale, I'll have you. He's like, okay, bye, seeah,
it's gone. And that's what I had to do for
the best part of three years in order to survive
that a bit. But luckily, I mean it was one
day a month with the overflow of the second day,
and I got away light. I think over that period
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where a lot of women go through hell on Earth
and think they're going crazy, but away from those kind
of hormone problems that people have, the imbalance. Once you
get yourself back into balance, you're okay. It is a
powerful choice, but a powerful choice you have, and it's
really hard to come away from what society has taught
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us that, you know, she said, he said, they disrespected me,
I'm going to judge them. I'm going to blame him
or her, And then it just is a vicious circle.
And all you're doing is taking the poison and expecting
somebody else to be affected by it. You're just poisoning
and hurting yourself in the long run. And just because
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you know that doesn't mean to say somebody doesn't upset you.
But you can still work out how to disassociate yourself
from the pain of the upset in order to deal
with the person that has upset you and work out
a way to come to a good conclusion around it.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
And that again, it's about that choice, and you're beautifully
chosen to take care of yourself in those one days
in the month that's that's because you had different choices,
but you've chosen this. Yeah, and that's beautiful. And and
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with those people, yes, of course there are people out
there and situations and whatever what can make us angry, frustrated, whatever,
they are not in our control. In my control is
only how I feel, how I approach it, what I
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do or not do in that moment, and that's that choice,
and no one can take us that choice from us.
So so yes, obviously I have a story. When you
ask about the story, there was one one grocery shop
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where we used to go shopping every week, and there
was one specific shop assistant which was always grumpy, awful, horrible,
And she was one of those people who really can
just ruin everything for you. She she could be so nasty. Wow.
(45:21):
And so when when we saw her in the show, no, no,
we're not going to her, We're going to some other
show assistant. Until one day when we were like, hey,
I'm teaching this sport over a decade, so let's use it.
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And I decided at that moment, I'm going to be
really nice to her and I'm not going to let
her to ruin my day. And from that moment on,
we both were very nice to her, always said no,
ask her, how is she? How is her day? Of
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this character she was, she hated it. At the beginning,
she was even nastier half the time. She became not
a friend. But she started to talk to us. She
started to chat with us. She started to ask her
how are we? She started to tell do you know
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we have that that discount? Did you see that? She
completely different person? And it was so funny to see
how how grampa she is to all the other people
around us, But once she saw us, she was like.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Son, if only everybody had that feeling. And you know,
it doesn't take much to be kind, is it? And
and that has a powerful effect, doesn't it. I mean,
I've got to show you these. These are pink, So
check out pink socks dot life if you're wanting to
find out. Two pairs of pink socks. And it says
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the world is full of good when you believe it,
you see it. Keep on doing that, and he says,
you're going to make people smile each time you wear
your pink socks. And the guy that sent these to me,
Nick Adkins, of Pink Socks Life, sent me several pairs
so that I can keep a pair and give some away,
and it's just sharing the love, getting it out there
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and being kind. I used to work for local authority
in the housing department. You have no idea how many
people wanted to have an argument with me every single
day because they weren't getting what they wanted from the
local authority. And all I could do was kill them
with kindness. Yeah, killed them. And my daughter did the
same thing at university when somebody was being horrible to her.
(47:51):
I said, now your acting skills are going to come
into play. You are so nice to her, right, your
ears are going to bleed. But go off and find
new friends because she's not very nice to you. She's
done something horrible to you, but you'd be nice to
her and don't let her see that you're upset. And
at the end of that year, this girl came up
to her and went, I'm so sorry I did that
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to you. Will you ever forgive me? So you know,
it's hurt people. Hurt people, and we need to find
ways of being kind. Even if it's just a smile,
say good morning to somebody that looks like they're about
to bite your head off.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
It changes.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
It's like, oh, well, you know, it's like they're not
expecting it. And if everybody did that, to spread a
little bit of love and a little bit of kindness,
we'd have a different world. To exactly, what are your
dreams for the coming few years? What in your wildest
dreams for our planet, for the people that you work with,
(48:49):
for you and your business. Have you got any you
say you like a plan? What are your plans coming up?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I have to plan under that. I said, everything is
changing all the time for me at this moment, and
I think for everyone because everything is changing. So actually
I don't have plans in the way that by the
end of the year, by the end of the three years,
I don't have those. But I'm going to say something
(49:29):
I didn't say for a very long time, okay, because
for years and years and years, I'm always saying that
my bigger mission on this planet is to help people
to be happy, because I believe that when we are happy,
(49:54):
and I don't mean that surface level bubbly happy, but
really deep happy inside of us. When we are happy
in this way, everything is so much easier and nicer,
And it doesn't matter whether whether it's relationships, whether it's
our health, whether it's money, whether it's whatever, it doesn't matter.
(50:20):
If we are happy inside of us, everything is easier.
So yeah, that's what I'm trying to do every day
as much as i can.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Beautiful. Well, on that note, Andrea, it's been absolutely delight
talking to you today. I love your view on life
and let's hope you create what you want in order
to create that happiness for as many people as possible.
And there are different ways to get through to that,
and you give them lots of possibilities and options along
(50:58):
the way. If anybody would like to get hold of you,
what's the easiest way for people to contact you?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
They can find me on LinkedIn, they can find me
on our instagram. My that page is going to be changed,
but I feel they can have a look at it.
And it's changelity dot com. Uh, that's that's one of
(51:32):
the one of the words which we created that I'm
going to put it next to my name. Ah if
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Changility, Yeah, the ability to change. Yes, yeah, I like that.
Angelity dot dot com. That's beautiful. So we'll put that
into the show notes as well. But if anybody would
like to meet on a zoom call, with Andrew. You
can find her at our Collaboration Global guest sessions and
they are twice a month now, the second Thursday and
(52:03):
the last Tuesday of the month. Go to Collaboration Global
dot org and you can book yourself in and you
can find us on event right as well. Yes, please
do that because these are amazing people. Oh Yill and
everyone I met, well, I'm so glad you joined as well.
There's always this kind of space waiting to be filled
(52:25):
by somebody that's got their magic and what they want
to do with the world, and everybody in the Collaboration
Global community are just up to some good in a big,
big way, and even if you would like to be
up to some good in a little way, then there's
a space here for you as well. So thank you Andrea,
and we will see you all next time.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Thanks for coming, Thank you so much for holding this
space for all of us. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Thank you
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