Chris Grimes - Motivational Comedian. Facilitator. Coach. Broadcaster

‘The Good Listening To Show’ podcast host Chris Grimes has spent the past 25 years globetrotting, gaining a wealth of international experience as a much sought-after Executive Coach, helping business leaders and their teams at some of the world's biggest blue-chip companies to communicate better, at work and in life. From Bristol to Bangkok, Newcastle to New York and from Manchester to Milan, he has worked in 20 countries across Europe, Africa and the Middle East, supporting over 3,000 professionals, improving their personal impact, presence, presentation techniques and storytelling skills.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to the podcast Being Human, Hidden Depths
by a Collaboration Global. My name is You're Tiny, and
I'm very excited today to be talking to the one
only mister Chris Grimesing.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Chris, I'm doing extremely well. You were in my podcast
just three days ago and it was wonderful.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
There's a bit of a mutual admiration society going on here,
and I think people are going to be thoroughly sick
of it by the end of our conversation. I don't care,
because we are having such fun. We are on the
same page in so many areas. I'm going to struggle
to see if I can find something controversial for you,
but I'll do my best and we'll see where it
takes us. It's so first and foremost I ask everybody this,

(00:47):
what attracted you to the idea of collaboration Global.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, it's the clues in the title of the word.
Really as queen of collaboration that you are. When I
first got introduced to you, you were immediately generous and
straight on the reciprocal on the reciprocity bandwagon. And my
favorite word pertaining to the psychology of influencing is reciprocity,
and so I was just very struck with your immediate generosity.

(01:14):
And then there was Harold Walter Altman. Yes, who is
another connection. So just a sudden awareness of extraordinary human beings.
And I know that your endeavor is to bring brilliant
people together to hold the space and collaborate. And yes,
it's just very exciting. And I'm in several projects at

(01:35):
the moment where I'm really hungry for collaboration because I
like helping people too brilliant.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I'll tell you what the one thing was that attracted
me to you is the comedy aspect, because one of
the mindsets of collaboration globe, if you're in a collaboration
is a sense of fun. If you are not enjoying
a collaboration and there's something that's a bit more and
it's not working, and if you're not having fun, what's

(02:02):
the point? And the fact actually this is yours, this
is who you are. Tell us a little bit about
why you're a funny man.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, Stan Laurel is my all all time comic hero,
and so that is like a factory default setting for me,
always has been, because I met him when well, I
didn't meet him but I know I shocked myself. Then
I wish I'd met him.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Ill are you?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm old, but not quite that old.
I was seven years old living in Uganda when a
black and white TV set hummed into action on Walks
Down Laurel across my screen, and my life was complete
because it just made me smile and be happy to
be in the space with Ben a kind hapless, you know, vulnerable,
but but really kind way, even though you know that

(02:48):
the comedy of Laurel and Hardy Is is timelessly brilliant
because of how happless they are. But anyway, I am
a drama teacher, actor and comedy improvisation performer by training
and background, and the ecology within comedy improvisation that underpins it.
All of yes and yes and yes and yes and
are the building blocks of creativity. And I put it

(03:09):
to us the building blots of collaboration as well as
opposed to know but no but no but or yes
but yes but yes. But it's yes and yes and
yes and yes and which which gets the sand out
of everybody's gears and it makes everybody they should appreciate
because the world is monumentally selfish. Actually, it's not all
about you. There are other people that can you know,

(03:31):
it's got to be a reciprocal two way street.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
That is one of the things that Collaboration Global was
we always say bring your ego and leave it at
the door, because we don't need that what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
It really just slips in the way.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, don't tell the story about one guy that came
to a meeting and he was sat at the back
and he was trying to work out who the ego
was in the room because that was the act.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
And it's like, I can't work out with the ego?
Is it's all there here? They just don't bring it
to this meeting.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
You have no one to pick on, which is good.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, exactly exactly. Doesn't mean to say we don't have
and we all kind of they really ugly heads. But
I like this yes and thing, and having done a
bit of in the past, many many years ago, it
is quite scary, isn't it, when you've got to keep
it going and keep it going. My daughters have both
been on the stage in a drama group that they

(04:18):
were inter stance they werefore so they don't ever remember
not being on stage and The confidence that that brings
is immense, and I look at it and go like, well,
I wish I could be like that is I've spoken
on stage, But it's that unknown quantity of being able
to switch it on and go.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
With what somebody else has thrown in your direction.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
However, it is scary, yes, of course, but it shouldn't
be in that I've said yes, bart, which is terrible, oh,
because you've just got to have the ability to be
present with an attitude of yes. And you don't have
to compete to be funny. You've just got to decide
to be present with a yes and mindset and attitude,
and then you build scenes or you build comedy together.

(04:57):
But it's very much the nature of ensemble comedy improvisation,
you know. I have been on stage improvising with stand
up comics who are trying to be the funniest. As
soon as somebody competes to be funny, it stops being fun.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
To go again, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
It's that getting in the way of like, you know,
I have to be seen to be the best, and
if you just let it go naturally.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
And there's no script for life. So actually, if you
think about it, we're all doing yes, and all the time.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
In the world that we're in the society we're in,
most people are doing no. But this negative, judgmental, victim
based it can be a bit depressing sometimes, isn't it.
And when you are around a bunch of people that
are yes, and it's like, oh, how can we do that?
What can we all of a sudden, the possibilities start
sprinkling open again and again and again and again and

(05:46):
seeing solutions to problems because people have that mindset of
like being open, future thinking, seeing the way through.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
And it's energy as well as where energy resides. I
think in positivity, warmth, yes, optimism, And one of my
favorite ways to illustrate it in a way, you can
use the mindset to help you when you're overwhelmed in life,
which we all are. You know, if you have an
overwhelmed day of oh gosh, today I've got to, then
I've got to and after that, you know the got

(06:15):
to got to. The antidote is just using the mindset
of yes and exchange the O in got with an E.
You've got the same workload, but today I get to,
and then I get to and then after that, guess
what I get to, So they get to get to
get to as opposed to the got to got to
got to actually immediately makes you feel flipping lucky that

(06:36):
you get to do all this cool stuff that is
a first world problem more often than not.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
That is beautiful. That is so simple and yet so true.
I can feel it already today I had this stack
of meetings coming up, and they're all lovely independently, but
because they were all together, I'm like, oh, wind, but
that flips that over to get to.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
How lucky am I?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
For good?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Say? What was I winging about?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah? Was reframing your problems to realize that their gifts
in many respects. I mean, I'm not diminishing when life
can be catastrophic, but you know, it's not how you're
knocked over, it's how you get up again. And it
helps me at least once a week reminding the reframe
of get to as opposed to got to.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, I was always given a lesson by an eight
year old who I've now found out yesterday is at university.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
When did that happen?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
He was eight yesterday, but he was at the front
of the room at one of our meetings we held
and we had a discussion about something and somebody said, oh,
I'm not very good at doing ABC and he just
pointed at them and he went yet and they went okay,
So yeah, I'm not good at the moment, maybe you're not,
but yet you've.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Still got time. You can still do it. You can
still be good at that. Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
And then that's lovely. Who's the teacher in that moment,
that's the growth mindset, looking at the world through the
eyes of a child, and it's a reset, Yes.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
So you've been done drama when you're doing prov and
you're into comedy, and who's your comedy hero of the moment?

Speaker 2 (08:07):
It will be Michael Palin. Actually, and when I first
got going with my podcast five years ago, I said
on episode one, I haven't asked him yet, and I
don't know quite why I haven't, but I'm going to
because I've recently interviewed his best friend, and Michael Palin
from Monty Python is my sort of reinvigoration. Well it's

(08:27):
a sort of not an upgrade, but it's the because
I couldn't meet Stan Laurel. Michael Palin has a similar
kindness and warmth to him.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yes, he does.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
That's a really good point. Don't ever tell him he's
the next best thing.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I mean, no, no, me, He's absolutely the one. You know.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I could and listen to him for hours.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
The travel journeys that he's been on and how he
describes is the people thing. He connects really well to people, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yes, he collaborates. See what we did there?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
I bring you back every week.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
So where do you think it all started from? So
let's go back to your life. It's Chris app seven
years of age, and you're maybe playing by yourself, or
you're maybe having something that's like a memory of you
having such fun.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
What were you doing?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think it goes back to the white TV black
and white TV set coming into action and Stan Laura
walks in at seven, and then there's a darker side
to where my sense of humor always defaults to. Was
slightly older. Winding forward ten years after the death of
my sister. I was the youngest of three and my
sister was killed in a car accident, and there was
this sudden realization of oh, life is short. But although

(09:41):
it's incredibly painful, it was a way of reminding myself
that a sense of humor can pull you through, and
you know, all even in the darkest times, there are
golden threads of light that will pull you through. So
you know, I remember my own way of coping, which

(10:02):
is to put a big brick wall up in my
head and then take the bricks out gradually and let
the light through and sort of self healed in that way.
So and then it was about life is so short,
but not in a frivolous way, although I did do
a few frivolous things, but I always, I always default
to having a happy disposition, even in dark times.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
And do you think that is a nature thing or
a nurture thing? Is that something you've created, or do
you think that's just your DNA?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I think it's a well, I had a very positive
childhood apart from the darkness of that, so I think
it's I think it's both. I think it's nature. You're
wiring first and foremost, which obviously is DNA informed. But
you know, if your glass is half empty half full,
whether you're fundamentally optimistic. I've come to learn that I'm

(10:56):
fundamentally optimistic, So I think that is just in my nature.
In the Comedy Improvisation Company in which I work. There's
a wonderful comic foil to me, a lovely woman called
Stephanie Weston, who I've worked with for many, many years.
If I'm ever seeming a bit down in the mouth
or a bit she always goes it just ate right.
It's like the Queen in LCRA. You know, it was

(11:17):
just there's just something something not right if I haven't
got something sort of a way of cutting through it with,
you know, something witty to think about or say.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, it's that when people expect something from you and
this is who you are seen as, and then it
doesn't quite fit the picture when you're not actually that
buoyant person. And yes, I can understand that the Queen
and Lycra. I'm able to steal that one. That's excellent. Yeah,
I can see that.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
And just one other thing. There was a quote in
A Dark Time which was I was reading a book
which is incredibly dark about the cartel at the very
beginning of the pandemic. But in amongst that darkness was
this line, we have to laugh because, as we know,
laughter is the first evidence of freedom. Yes, so as

(12:06):
soon as you can laugh at things again, you know,
people go oh too soon you know, as soon as
you can laugh at something, it means that you're beginning
to recover.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, and we know that it's the best medicine, isn't it.
I mean, whether it's a physical ailment or a mental ailment,
emotional ailment, it's being able to laugh at yourself or
with others.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yes. And for me, instant Wit is my comed improvisation company,
and there's a factory de vault setting in that once
or twice a month, I have this great honor and
privilege of being able to stand up in front of
an audience and generally sort of tit about and make
people laugh. And it's infused with kindness and warmth and
just having a good time through ensemble. And actually it's

(12:50):
quintessentially collaboration of itself. And I've come back to that
word again, but it is.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
It's very true.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I mean, we've seen a couple of groups out there
that it's all improv and then they go to the
audience and they get, you know, a bit like whose
line is it anyway? Yeah, And it's just so you
just sit there marveling at how in tune they are
with each other and how the topics never phase them
and how something comes out and a song will be created,

(13:15):
or you know, the whole story that comes together and it's.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Like wow wow.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
In truth, the technique of yes and yes and yes
and means in front of an audience, all you've got
to do is just be one beat, one yes and
ahead of the audience. Just one beat a bit like
teaching and one page a headmanship. If you're one yes
and ahead of your audience's speed of thought, and there's

(13:45):
no hurry. As long as one yes and ahead, they
will perceive that you're going at lightning speed.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yes, this is true.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
And also you've been doing it night after night after
night after night, so you'll remember that that got a
really good laugh. This audience doesn't know what you said
three nights ago. Let's do it again, new new, new.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
That is because actually, if you're truly improvising, you don't
just sit back on your laurels and rely on old gags.
Because you know, life always moves forward so that people
have habits. You know that, I know there are certain
you know, there are classic ways to make people laugh.
You know, I come on with a hooter at the
beginning and get people to sort of stare at my
majestic ball, and then I go into the audience and

(14:26):
just getting people to honk on the hooter. You can
say stuff, you know, when someone honks and they don't
grab hold of the bowl well enough, and it sort
of sounds a bit chesty. You can say, well, I'd
get that looked at it. You just go parping your
way through the audience lovely. So there are also instant wit.
There's a hilarious pun on instant whip. Instant wit instant whip,

(14:46):
so we chuck out packets of custard and then tragically
they don't make instant whip anymore. But I try to
shock you about that. But instead we were in Asda
a one fakeful day and we found something called cock
flavor soup, and so you say to the audience custard
or cock flavorsuit. So it just ain't custard or cock
makes people giggle, This is true, so you just don't. Yeah,

(15:07):
it's it's not all about ribaldry, but it's just a
little bit of just gentle humor. You know, hooter or honker,
some custard bottle of wine for the best suggestion. Slapstick.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, yeah, I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
It just and you come away from those kind of
nights and the adrenaline, the buzz, the fizz, and you
go to bed and you lying. Then you think about
and you're still like giggling as you're kind of lying
in bed, and it's this medicine that you've just taken, yes,
without any side effects whatsoever, And it keeps the good
effect keeps on going and going, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
It certainly does.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
So. Were mum and dad jolly optims as well.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
They were very trail blazing in that they emigrated to Uganda,
where I said, I saw stand on my age equivalent
of twenty eight. My mum and dad emigrated with three kids,
all under seven Uganda. So they were very trailblazing, very optimistic.
That their optimism took a humongous dent in a way

(16:11):
that I had nothing but respect for after my sister
was killed, because it gets something you can never recover from.
I lost a sibling, which is of itself deeply tragic.
But now I'm a parent, I know the difference in
losing a child. You know, it's differently seismically tragic. So

(16:32):
it caused a bit of a sort of desiccation to
my parents if I'm brutally honest about it, because they,
you know, a major reason for being had been removed.
And so although my dad died just a few months
ago in last August at the age of eighty seven,

(16:55):
he's really in my path of what I'm doing, because
I'm doing my podcast new series Strength called Legacy Life
Reflections to record the story of somebody near de or
close to you for posterity. But my dad was my
first ever guinea pig five years ago. Oh wow, he
slipped into a crater of declining health. He knew exactly
what I was doing. I was using him as a
guinea pig to say, look, you know, I need to

(17:18):
try this out because none of us are getting now
to here alive. I wasn't saying that to him, but
with hindsight, I did definitely get him, you know, lest
we forget before it's too late in the houcyon days
of his eighties. And I was able to use the
gift of storytelling to curate a wonderful life story curate
and it's the same curated structure of the good listening

(17:38):
to show that you yourself guessed a few days ago.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, it was beautiful, and it is something that is
very special. There are a lot of people out there
that they might have done their YouTube videos and they
might have been famous for fifteen minutes or whatever. But
having that kind of conversation with the questions that you
pose so beautifully, that kind of makes you go, huh, yeah,
why did I do that?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
And what is that? All of it?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
It really tips your life upside down so that you
can see it from a different perspective and join some
of the dots that you didn't realize was even there. Yes,
having that opportunity to talk, I'm.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Talking about joining the dots all my life has well.
It emanates from this energetic space which Comed Improvisation belongs
in as well, and is the energetic cover of the podcast.
It's called the Clearing, which is an empty space brimming
and charged with potential where anything is possible. To my
acting theater training, the first ever theater book was called

(18:35):
the Empty Space by Peter Brook. It's this idea of
stepping into an empty space where anything is possible if
you add to that an attitude of yes. And it's
also my coaching headspace when I'm working as a facilitator
on a coach because it's it's a place where all
good questions come to get asked and all good stories
come to get told. And so I now realize, with

(18:57):
the gift of everything that's come to bear, that all
my work emanates from this very positive, energetic hub called
the clearing.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
I love it, I love it.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
We kind of do that at our meetings as well.
Collaboration Global, because everyone comes to a Zoom meeting quite
often off the back of another Zoom meeting or they've
done this, and they're busy, busy, busy, and their brains
are going. They're like, okay, come on entertaining, what's this about.
I don't know why I'm here, what's this meeting? And
we do a little meditation, and it's usually facilitated by
one of our members, So Alessandro does a chigung. We've

(19:29):
got Jennifer, she does some tapping, and it just gives
people an opportunity to be grounded so that they've got.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Two minutes, three minutes just to.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Go yes to air Locke.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
It gives them that space to go The next two
hours is for me.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I'm going to take what I want from it, and
it's going to be special, and I'm going to meet
some amazing people and I'm going.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
To have fun.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
And that's the kind of space.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
So what you're talking about, that clearing and in a positive, empowered,
optimistic space, then the possibilities do just start bubbling up.
Its connections are amazing. I like that it's having that
clearing and we all need that space, don't we. That
life is too busy, life just so crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
And the other residence with collaborating there is the idea
of the clearing being where the gathering of the clans.
So it's where the clearing when you've gone through the
thickets and you end up in the clearing, yes we've arrived.
There was a very funny story recently about lateness about
you know, when you're running and facilitating an event and
you say to the audience before they go off for
a break. Apparently, in ancient Gaulish times, all of the

(20:39):
tribes that were not under the kosh of the Romans
would gather once a year in the clearing of choice.
It could be in Hispania, it could be in ancient Gore,
it probably Britannia. They'd all agree, and then the comedy
was whoever trotted into the clearing last no excuses whoever
trotted in last spective of their tribe rank, who they were,

(21:03):
whoever here they come trots in last, would volunteer for
self sacrifice. Oh, it's slightly comic, but you know you think, oh,
if you try and say sorry me chariot at a puncture,
or or we dog get me homework, none of that
is stringing up or stringer up. So yes, it was
just a good way to haplessly choose.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's a bit dark, I know, but then but also
I can see that at a conference or something when
you're desperately trying to get people back, so you can
get the speaker on.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's like, right, if you're the last one in, you're
up on stage.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Well, the comedy thing is you can then get the
whole conference to just notice who comes in last, and
they are after supper, they're going on the split roster.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I used to do that a little bit as a
teacher if I was teaching to the class, and I've
done this to adults as well. When there's somebody there
that's talking while you're talking, so.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
You kind of just stop and wait for them to
stop talking.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
And there is this guy who was very quite a
high profile and he was having a little nutter in
the corner and I stopped and he's like, and he
eventually he realized that the whole room.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Was waiting for him, and what what? What's your problem?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
What's wrong?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
What's wrong? Nothing? Can I carry on now?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
So he became very humble after that. But yeah, it's
that pointing you out as that without saying a word,
without saying a word.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
It's comic. Not the important thing is at a conference setting,
it's it's not humiliating, it's just comic. But it makes
everyone have a little bit of a spring in their
step of I don't want to be the last one. Yes,
I like that.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Well do you learn something here every day? Thank you, Chris,
very welcome. I didn't realize the Gruls were quite so Gaulish.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
But yeah, so when did you come back from Uganda
and did you choose to come to the UK.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Or well, I was ten, so having gone to Ganger
at the age of two and a half, how flipping
independent is that? But I did explain I was with
my parents. But actually, historically we came back after idi
Amin overthrow Milton aboute so it's nineteen seventy two. We
came back after about nine months of the idi Amine regime,
and it was the July August of the year in

(23:13):
which I was about to be ten.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Right, we're on the same we're on the same page.
We'll we'll probably be picking up her pension at the
same time. Just do in quickbit master.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
So mum, I'm sixty two if you're fishing, but too,
sixty two and sixty two is the yeah, because that's
the year.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I'm sixty two and sixty three. Now you beat me.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
So did you go back home to the UK to
family or was it like another adventure of let's try
something completely new.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
My parents are from Middlesbrough, up North originally my mum's
My mum's dad was a train driver and my dad's
dad was a steel worker. So Dad achieved a bit
of social mobility. He was the first of his generations
to go to university, so he went to Kill University
and one of his famous things is he danced the

(24:05):
day away with Princess Margaret as head of the ball Society.
That was one of the facts about Dad. But anyway,
they went back to Middlesbrough initially because we had a
house that they had rented. You know, they sublet whilst
they were in red Car and I was born in Saltburn,
which is when you're doing yeah, yeah anyway, So and

(24:30):
then we moved to various other places, but I ended
up for my eleven to nineteen period I was in
saff End on Sea.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Oh I see, hence the accent.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
My parents had a knack because of just life circumstances
of always moving. At the at the end of junior
school we moved. At the end of my secondary school
we moved. So my parents now live in Sorry. Mum
now lives in Leicestershire, but I have no affinity for
it apart from the fact she's there because I'd gone
to university by the time Mum and dad moved to Leicester.
And where was your I went to the Central School

(25:02):
of Screech and Trauma in London, which is my teaching degree,
and then I'm in Bristol now because I then did
a two year postgraduate acting course at the Bristol Olvic
Theater School, which is why I now operate as an
actor teacher, facilitator coach now podcaster so and in fact,
now thanks to the pandemic and a chance meeting, I'm

(25:24):
now a motivational comedian, which is the catch all wow,
And there's a really if you'd allow me to tell it,
there's a lovely story about why Chris Grimes is called
a motivational comedian both for it.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
In you.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
If you're ever exploring personal brand for yourself, you need
to be aware of something called your operator word, something
you say about what you do that makes people say
wait what Yeah, And in my case, if I say
I'm a comedian, that's fine hahaha, But if I say
I'm a motivational comedian, people go wait what. A bit

(25:57):
other examples that are not related to comedy. I heard
a really good story of somebody who works as an osteopath.
His operator word is I'm a preventative osteopath. In other words,
if you pay me, you'll never have to because I'll
fix it. So a motivational comedian for me came about
because during the pandemic, I was on a bike ride
and I arrived in a clearing. See what I'm doing there?

(26:17):
I stopped, and then a friend called Ben, who I
hadn't seen since before the pandemic, arrived on our bikes.
Some who used to be way high with suddenly a
man mountain in the background while two dads exchange surviving
the zombie apocalypse you know, so far, and the kid
was big, and I did all that classic oh BlimE me,
you've got all that really stupid lame stuff that grown

(26:39):
up say when they see a kid. That's, oh you've
grown Anyway, the some Dan hangs out in the background,
and then we exchanged stories, and then they were just
about to squeak off, and I was still in earshot,
and it could have been awkward because I don't know
what it was about to be said, but I can
still hear the son the guy Ben His son, Dan
said who was that? And Ben's said, well, that was

(27:00):
that's Chris Grimes and he said, well what does he
do then? And then Ben said, oh, he's a he's
a motivational comedian. And then they squeaked off, and then
I stayed still going, is that what I boom? I'll
love that. So since then that was from now on,
it's on my business card and I'm coach facilitated motivational comedian.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
That's a long Do we give out business cards anymore?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Well I think you do if there's a QR code attached. Now, ah, right,
but actually snail mail is coming back in because we've
got so digital with my sorry with the podcast that
I'm doing, because I wore people with a cake at
the end of it. I've just had a fantastic meeting
about two weeks ago with somebody called Anna's Cakes. Guess
what she makes. Oh and when you've told me what

(27:47):
cake you like in the show, it's coming I'm going
to be sending you a cake. So, because it's all
based in the clearing. When you get the cake that
delights people because you get nonal normal carrot cake or
chocolate you know in the post, and then get this,
you get to take a second cut through the clearing.
Oh as you non non non. So it's just a

(28:09):
way of using snail mail, or it's called lumpy mail.
I had a brilliant story about how using lumpy mail.
If you have this, it's where someone literally delivered loads
of white Wellington boots with black marker as to why
they're getting in touch, saying to people, this is my
way of getting my foot in the door. And what

(28:30):
was really clever was someone who was about to make
multi multi million pound contracts because his business can fix
concrete in tunnels, by being able to scan it in
a way, and he couldn't get interviews. And yet it's
it's saving the entities like railtrack and you know euro Tunnel,
it's saving them millions. And this bloke apparently it's in

(28:52):
a proper story well sor it's a true story. It
was a big club at Clodding White Wellington boot that
you'd suddenly find on your desk. And of course that's
going to make you notice rather than sending an email
to say would you like me to fix your concrete?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Absolutely, yeah, that makes such sense.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
And also a handwritten something or other at the very least,
it is much more personal than a little card. When
somebody sends me a little card to say thank you
so much, what that meeting is brilliant, or that happened,
or that happened, it's like, oh, and you keep it
and you.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Leave it there.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
You don't get rid of it, and it just remind
you of them every time you look at it.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Look at that. I've got one. Now there we go.
That's that's one. Somebody's saying thank you very much. Note
inside it's.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, I think snail mail is definitely should be coming
back into fashion.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
So there may be cakes flying out there. I mean,
Anda's cake's clever because she's already got the infrastructure to
post cakes. But with the legacy life reflections, when you've
recorded your story or the story of that precious person,
there's going to be a gift set which presents you
with the transcript the actual podcast episode, how to upload
it to the all that actual blame.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Don't forget to check if they're gluten through.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
And that's all I'll say.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I mean, people can talk, You've got to treat them
a grown ups. I'm supposed to sort their own analogies out,
because if you just send everyone who's allergic to not
to Kate, that's not going to be good.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Is it really?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
No?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
I love this motivational comedian though it's what you overhear
from other people can be quite insightful, can't it. I
remember being a huge event once and I heard my
name mentioned, so you kind of go like that and
they were saying, oh, Jill, you need to talk to Jill.
She's the one that knows loads of people. She'll connect
you up with the right person. And I was like,
is that what I do? I thought everybody did that.

(30:31):
Apparently they don't. And it's really interesting how people view you.
And I think we were talking about this one a
little while ago, a couple of weeks ago at Collaboration
Global Members meeting. Is what do people think about you
after you've left the room? What do they say? What's
what are you leaving them with? What talking about legacy
and what you'd like to be remembered for. It's like instantly,
you know, if you've just left the room, what are

(30:51):
they going to be saying about you?

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yes, you want to know it's good things, but actually
you want.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
To to have inspired them or to get them to
move into action or say something.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
And the yes and that I have to build on.
That is personal impact. My Chris Grimes opinion about what
personal impact is, it's the after burn of you. And
to your obvious point saying, I agree with you completely,
when you've left the room, people are either thinking good things,
bad things, or nothing at all about you. So your
after burn is really important.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah. I did a lot of networking back in the day,
and I would go around training people how to network.
And so you're not talking to people for the sake
of telling them what you do. You're being memorable and
making connections. So they're going to want to talk to
you again. So if they think about who is that
woman that I was talking to, what was she about?
So what can you do to be memorable? Yes, and

(31:41):
there's the brazillion things I've done, from dressing up as
a fairy to being inspector plusseau to saying when I
had laryngitis talking to a room of people, it's still
that says this only once.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
And I had the most raptid thing.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
They were all just leaning forward so they could hear
what I have to say, just because that had a
sore throat.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Very Yes, if you've got it, flaunt it, use it.
That's all good.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
And I met somebody this morning, funny enough who said, So,
somebody had introduced us and I had not met this
other guy before, and as minute I spoke to him,
he said, you need to talk to Paul. I said, okay,
So he set us up and Paul then said, not
only did I know your name from this guy that's spoken,
he's spoken about you before. Okay, he said, but I.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Think we've met each other before.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
That right, So he said, my director of the board
told me about you. Oh great, he said, But even
then I knew more about you, and I don't know
where I know you from.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
So we went back and back about twenty years ago.
He remembers me from his networking days.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
WHOA, that's an after burn right there, of twenty years paying.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
No, it's crazy, isn't that. It's like, oh, a bit famous,
a bit famous. You know.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
My dad tried to riff on him again, but he
had a very similar, well equivalent story and after burn
lasting almost a lifetime. When we came when he was
seventeen nine eighty and he'd left Uganda forty years ago,
a man got in touch with him, I think, just
reassured he was still alive. Oh, Colin Grimes is still there.
This is this is John Cottzel. He said, I wanted

(33:16):
to say hello. And what he said was when I
first first first came to Uganda for my first day
at school teaching Shakespeare to u Gandon children, I remember
being incredibly nervous, and I wanted to say thank you
Colin because I went to see you and somebody said
to me, go and see Colin Grimes. He'll give you
some teaching notes that will help. And what I wanted

(33:37):
to say, thank you for Colin Grimes was I use
those teaching notes in some shape or form for the
rest of my career.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Whoa, oh, how lovely is that?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
And I was riffing my dad didn't appreciate what a
profound after burn that is, because that's an entire lifetime,
a whole career, based on one set of notes.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
And that is one of the reasons that our sessions
where we acknowledged people for what they've said, because sometimes
you can say a throwaway remark and for somebody else
it's been like a lifetime revelation.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, and if you.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Don't share that at the time, that person will leave
not ever knowing how much impact they've had on your life.
So we always kind of have a gratitude space of like,
you know, what did you hear today that's going to
be useful and who do you want to thank for it?
And there's nothing better than being grateful. When someone's done
something lovely for you, You just want to give him a

(34:29):
hug and say thank you, don't you It can have
so many repercussions. But I met one guy once and
said he it's good for his health. He says he
tries to have a hundred hugs a day because it's
good for his health.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
He said, I've got it on prescription.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
So he goes to a lot of big events and
he's just walking around hugging everyone, and most people are like, what.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
You're doing, He's a bit needy.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of get there. If you're living
on your own. I knew one guy once said he
lived on his own. He said, nobody's physically touched me
for about six months, and I was like.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Oh, give me a hug quick?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Does come?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Oh, you poor man? And if you live on your
own and you're kind of seen as a I don't know,
if you're shy and you're an introvert and you're not
great at conversation, then the physical is going to be
a lot further away.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
And so profound. In fact, that's what I feel the
most about my mum at the moment, and I'm three
hours away and I keep needing to return because I
just I just get this instinct that she needs a hug,
basically because she's been incredibly you know, she's eighty seven too,
but being incredibly stoic and on the case. But obviously,

(35:39):
you know, my mum and dad met at my dad's
fourteenth birthday party. Oh wow. And so it goes that
far up you get those goes that far back.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I feel I want to jump in the car and
go and visit her now, because I'm the same I
was fourteen when I met my now husband and he
was and we were going instantly from that moment on.
Our daughters think that's disgusting, which you know it was.
It was a different time, but yeah, I was very
grown up for my age, shall we say, And the

(36:12):
thought of not being with him when he is my
right hand man, it just doesn't bear thinking about. So
if she's been that long with your dad and had
amazing adventures as well, and had an amazing sorrow, and
she must she got Presumably she's got friends around there
that she can go and talk to and share.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yes, absolutely, And that's one of the main reasons she'll
probably stay where she is, because there's an infrastructure you
can't overestimate. Sorry, is it underestimate If you can't, you
can't understate how important it is. Yeah, yeah, overestimate under over. Yeah,
it's very It's important to stay there because if you
just rent someone asunder and pat them where you think

(36:53):
they might want to go, they'll end up totally detached
from everything that's familiar. Yeah, indeed, just commit it's over
it overestimate.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I think, does she do technology?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Not really. One of the things I'm regularly trying to
do is help to reset the TV settings, but remotely
while she tries to show me online in you know,
she tries to use her phone to show me, which
is very technologically sammy, but I end up either looking
up her nose or under a cupboard and not able
to say that's the cake, no, the cable that anyway,
I shall be going to visit again soon for hugs
and cable removal.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Good welder, that's that's brilliant. It is hard when you
become that career parent. The child becomes the care of
the parent. Both my parents are now dead, and that
was that period of looking after them and realizing that
you had to become the grown up and all the
little things where you go into the room and you
can instantly be that teenager again when they say something

(37:45):
and you're.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Like, oh, mom, you know, but you can't. You have
to be like, oh, okay, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Tell me for the eleventh time that's what's going on,
and you kind of realize.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I remember one time went around there.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Eventually she moved closer to us so we could go
and look after her, and I popped.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Around to do some tea. I'm not hungry. I don't
want anything. I'm here now.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
I've just moved heaven and Earth to be here so
I can come and cook. What do you fancy and
go through the cupboards and oh, I'm not really hungry,
I said, We'll about egg on toast. I just do
your little supper little egg on toast. Well right then, well,
let me tell you how I cook it.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Like, no, I'm a grown up.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I'm going to cook your egg and toast. It's fine,
don't worry about it. So anyway, did it? She hit
the lot. She loved it.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
She said it was the best egg on toast tasted.
When I do it tastes like a bullet. So why
are you telling me how you do eggon toaes?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yes, you have to be the grown up sometimes lover.
Oh year, So where are we at now?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
What is your vision for the future for your wonderful
Legacy podcast?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Where do you see that?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
What a lovely question. My dream with it is to
be a digital nomad because of the age that I
am and be able to just plug into the Internet
wherever I decide to be and as long as the
Internet is a miracle. I mean even this we're talking
now with geographies that are disparate, and you know, it
can be anywhere in the world. But I'd like to
be a digital nomad where very modestly, three or four

(39:17):
or five times a week, even that might be too much,
but I genuinely help people through curating their life story,
their life journey or their business story. There because I
have very many serious strands to the good listening to
show dot com one it's called brand strand Founder Stories,
Legacy Life Reflections is one of the series trands. But yes,

(39:38):
short answers, I'd like to be a digital nomad where
I can genuinely help people but also earn enough to
be a bit of a pension plan that just pays
a little bit of you know, pen money to be
able to be onto the next adventure.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah, and what would be your biggest adventure?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
More travel? I think traveled a lot, but it would
just be really nice to go and be a digital
nomad in maybe let's be a new YOI Corps. Let's
go to back to Cabala or let you know, just
going and the Italian Hills. You know, I'd love to
go and live. I read the Cicero trilogy by Robert Harris.
I don't know if you've read that.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I haven't read them, but I heard of them.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, there's such a lovely sort of bolt whole retreat
that Cicero goes to in the Italian Hills somewhere. I'm
not quite sure exactly where it is, but I'll revisit
the book. And so yes, it's just go and be
in places like Majorca, Italy and just just base being
beautiful places for two three months at a time and
just plug into the Wi fi.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Ah that sounds that sounds like heaven. It's getting for me.
It's getting to know the locals as well.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I love sort of interacting with them and finding out
how they live their lives. And you know, every time
we go somewhere, we try and learn a tinty bit
of the language, and then you end up having friends.
We've had people that we've met in New York City
that we've got their phone numbers, and if we go
over there, we'll still use the same taxi driver and
all those kinds of and it's just how other people

(41:07):
have lived their life while you're in your little corner
doing your thing, and then right the other side of
the world, it's like, wow, this is If only I'd known,
I'd have come here sooner. Yes, I love that understanding
of other people. And one of the things I have.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
A chunk of water by the way you had, Yes,
I have a little frog.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
In the hang.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I am talking about travel. What I would love to do.
One of my dreams is a world's tour for collaboration
Global and wherever there is a member to go over
to where they are and put an event on and
tell more people about collaborations, then go around. So if
you fancy coming with me, you know, hold my handbag
or something that would be really cool.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Around the world and it will do a Jules Verne
around the world in eighty days. And presumably the clues
in the title it is global. Then so are you
covering all continents with collaboration global part of Antarctica?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, we have somebody on every continent. We've got Malaysia,
we've got South America, we've got India, a lot of
UK Europe, somebody in Australia's contemplating joining, which would be
tricky because I think they'd have to be insomniac because
a lot of our meetings.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
At the wrong time today. But we do have two
that they could come to, so that would be okay.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
That's good collaboration globe. Well we're turning night into day
by also introducing collaboration global in Australia. Good day, mate, Well,
actually it's a night for me.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Well this is it. He came to one of our meetings.
It was like three in the morning.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
And the lady that we got is a member over
in Malaysia in KL she'll stay up till eleven o'clock
and it finishes at one am for her. But God
bless hers. She gets what collaboration is about, you know.
And a lot of people go, oh, yeah, I do collaboration,
but it's all the transactional kind of what's in it
for me and what's in it for you? How were
going to do it? And quite often those are the

(42:56):
clunky ones that take a up effort and want to
have fun.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
And how big is the squad? If the full tribe
gathers and we string the last one up for being late.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
I like that I did well.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Overall, we're only about sixty people, but there are a
lot of members who have vast networks. So for example,
if we went to New York, Jonathan Rosen has a
network that's probably several hundred people he could call on
to come and join us and say hello. And I've
met a lot of them online as well, which is love. Yes,
I've got a guy down in Florida who runs the

(43:32):
Love Foundation, cool name, and he has contacts all.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Over the world as well, So it's like the people
they know, I'd like.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
To meet their friends and their connections as well, which
would be nice to sign share the purpose of collaboration
global and then using the sort of things that you
do and the legacy. I think a lot of people
boomers for sure, but a lot of younger generation are
not only out to make money in their businesses. They're

(44:01):
out to make a difference, out to support a particular
cause or something that's close to their heart, or they're
using their business. I know one lady she had been
sex trafficked herself, so she had built a property business,
and a certain amount of that profit from that property
business goes into supporting young women to come out of

(44:22):
that situation and be protected and get careers of their own.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Wow, it's like, how would you.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
There is a new school of thought that's emerging since
the pandemic where people realize that the way the world
is working isn't actually working. I don't know if you
read the new watch the news, or read the newspapers,
but it's a bit depressing.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yes, to say that it is broken. Yes.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, So it's understanding what you are sharing, and that's
why probably you're attracted to Collaboration Global because there is
a wealth of what you do so beautifully to what
our members are doing, and it's leaving that legacy but
also demonstrating it. So how many people indulge themselves by
having that podcast where they can actually share who they

(45:12):
are at such a depth that actually that's a little
microcosm that then demonstrates perfectly what their business is about,
what their mission is about, and what their purpose is
in life. So there's a lot of marrying up going on.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I think along the way Marinaid I was thinking of
the word Marrinaid as she said that.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, and who knows where it can take us. There's
this open ended clearing of you know what's going to
come in. We don't know, and it could be absolutely beautiful.
If somebody's listening to you now, Chris and has thought
motivational comedian I could do with that maybe some of
the other stuff, you know, improvisation have always wanted to

(45:55):
do that. What are the sorts of things that you
have on offer that people could kind of connect up with?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Well? Communications, skills, training, coaching and facilitation is the way
that it transmits for what I call income stream number one.
How I make most of my money historically is to
become as a facilitator on a coach, so I teach
and coach on things like presentation skills, personal impact, influencing, networking,
executive presence. You know, I support senior leadership teams with

(46:22):
purpose imperatives. So all that stuff is through a company
called Second Curve dot UK. Right, and then but I
still use all the transferable skills of being a drama teacher,
actor and comed improvisation performer. And it's those transferable skills
of doing those things that I bring to the clearing
in that imperative. So that's that. But then instant Wit

(46:44):
is the comed improvisation company and then my really exciting
passion project now is all Things The Good Listening To
Show dot com, which is where my true bringing to
the fore as a motivational comedian. And it's called The
Good Listening To Show because I just love giving people
are damn good listening to. And then what's really exciting
is Legacy Life Reflections, which has been a golden nugget

(47:07):
within the mountain scape of the Good Listening to Show
all along, and I've only this year dug up that
gold put it on its own plinth, and so very
very excitingly, the thing I'd most like to point people
to is Legacy Life Reflections dot Com because it is
a way of effortlessly, creatively and kindly capturing, without any

(47:30):
morbid intention, the story of somebody near deer or close
to you, you know, your mum, your dad, your grandmother,
your grandfather, your aunt Fanny, whoever, in a way that's
curating them through a journey that's been likened to having
a day spa for your brain. Ah, and so it's
a real privilege to do. But it's also genuinely helping people,

(47:53):
and so I'm really excited. And then there's cake at
the end of it. So what's not so like everyone's
a winner, check and dinner. So yes, leiflections dot Com
is the most exciting thing to look at.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
It just crossed my mind.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
I'm all about people getting all their life and passion
and purpose into a book, but it crossed my mind
that you could do this Dann good listening to for
people who are twenty one to kind of mark this
is where they are in their life now, and there
should be forty and then maybe seventy and then you've

(48:26):
got the kind of book of their life without them
having to sit down.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
And write it.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yes, absolutely, yeah, And it's curating them because your life's
not over until it's over, and we're always always spinning
narrative and so it's fascinating to think about. I mean,
the guests over the years have been lots of different ages,
but there is something about looking over your shoulder to
join the dots up backwards. But what's really exciting is

(48:50):
to project to where you'd like to see yourself.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, and just your understanding of the world. Understanding you know,
the politics of the world or the economy of the world,
or the you know, all the things that are going
on in that moment in time have an impact on
who you are at that time, and then to be
able to be your fourty year old self listening back
to your twenty one year old self going oh, I
knew nothing.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
There is a question within it, which is with the
gift with the beauty and the gift of hindsight, what
notes help or advice might you profit to a younger
version of yourself. Guests can choose where they would position
that holographic reappearance to give yourself that advice. But also
if people are struggling with how to write their life story,
this can really get them on the open road of

(49:37):
following a lot of storytelling archetypes and analogy and metaphor
through the structure of the clearing, the tree, the five
four three two one, the alchemy, the gold, the couple
of random squirrels, a chicky bit of Shakespeare, a golden
batman cake.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Done this more than once, I can tell.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
It is a beautiful way of pulling it all together,
and I really enjoyed it. I thank you for inviting
me to do it. Anybody that's thinking of and considering it,
please please get in touch with Chris because it's it's
quite a unique experience. I've not come across anything like
that before, and it is a bit like a spa
in as much as you feel very pampered and very

(50:14):
cosseted to be spending time talking about yourself, how often
do we do that unless you're down the pub and
you and everyone else will stop listening by then.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Anyway, it's also going into that sort of slight helpful
point of you know, you can get a ghost writer,
you can try and write a book, and it'll take months,
maybe it'll take years, maybe you'll get stuck, but this
is this is a way of just taking two hours
of your life to preserve that precious life forever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Indeed, and if you want to be really it's clever
or not, you could run it through AI and then
so make it longer and see what comes.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Out the other end of the sausage machine, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I had a conversation just yesterday where someone said you
could I was thinking, I could AI? You fight? Yes,
And he's thinking of helping me turn my feather into
an avatar that I can keep speaking to, which was
fascinating because I did hear. I mean, it's curious, I
mean because my dad knew what I was doing. I
would be interested to see what that would be possible

(51:13):
without it being spooky or morbid, because I also heard
recently that Michael Parkinson is going to be doing a
podcast he's doing at the time. At the time, I
thought that's weird. You know, in the competitive world of podcasting,
I'm now not seeing dead people but competing with dead people.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, but it's been done by his son, who didn't
want to do it.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
From the morbid perspective, it's about understanding how.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Michael interviewed people, Yes, and kind of seeing that journey
and then replicating that with him with his voice.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yes. Have you seen it then or heard it?

Speaker 3 (51:50):
I have heard some clips because.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Richard Osmon on his podcast The Rest of Entertainment did
a special on this friends with Mike Parkinson. He shared
a clit about it and he said, originally he thought, oh,
that's not or can't be doing without Michael Parkinson. That
wouldn't be fair because he was friends with his son.
He was like, oh, there's that reason behind us. Okay,

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so now I'll listen, he said, And then it was like, oh, right,
there's a study behind it. There's a science being done
alongside what they're doing it's not just for.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
The goths enjoyest.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yes, they wouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Sorry, I'll take that back. Yeah, it's fascinating and I do.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I mean, I was interviewed recently by Bordie who's on
LinkedIn and he sounds like Hugh Jackman. So it was
a AI interviewing me about collaboration global and it was weird,
but it didn't take long for me to forget or
almost forget that it was AI.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yes, off the back of me hearing that from you,
I did get in touch with Bordy and they keep
promising to room me back that they haven't yet. I'll
have that experience, I think soon.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
So one of our members can get you straight in anyway.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I'll talk to you about after the podcast. But yeah,
that's how I got in through through one of the members,
and it's just.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
A really interesting experience.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
But bearly in mind, most AI that we are coming
in contact with every day is about was developed about
ten years ago. So there is stuff that is current
that's being developed we've never seen that is spookyly realistic.
And yes, yeah it's and.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
We know there's a dark side to that as well.
With you know, there's definitely a dark, dark web side
to it all as well.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yes, indeed, and ultimately I just see AI as extending
the pandemic of loneliness that our world has, which is
not good for our mental health or for many other
reasons as well.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
So that's not gone a down note. This is not good.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I was just about to wrap it all up and
we went down a spooky hole them.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Let's not do that.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
If people want to get in touch with you, what's
the easiest way for them to find you?

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Chris, thank you so on LinkedIn is the best way.
So Chris Grimes, motivational comedian is there on LinkedIn. And then,
as I said, the websites are Second Curve dot UK,
but the more exciting ones are the good listening to
You tell I'm trying to pivot, can't you. It's the
good listening to Show dot com and Legacylife Reflections dot com.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Lovely, thank you so much, And yeah, it's always good
to pivot. But people need to sort of have an explore,
don't they, and do a little bit of stalking to
see what you're about before they usually get in touch.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
At some point, my son asked chat GPT, who's Chris
Grimes recently and it came up with quite a good answer. Actually,
I was a bit shocked. So you can chat GPT
Chris Grimes and see what that comes up.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Interesting. Sure it was the right Chris Grimes.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Because the few well, I thought, he sounds impressive. Who's that?

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Oh, it's you.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Brilliant And of course if you want to meet Chris,
he should be coming along to some of our Collaboration
Global very soon because he's a brand new member and
we're looking forward to having him present to us as well.
You don't worry, you don't have to do a whole
comedy sketch. It's it's more about what you do rather
than who you're being. No, it's who you're being rather
than what you do. Now I'm going to stop talking now,

(55:12):
go and get my class of Veno because it's that
time of day.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
The sun is.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
I think it is, yes, marvelous.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Thank you so much Chris for being a guest. It's
been such a joy. I'm sure we will do more
of these along the way and hopefully see you at
a COGLO meeting soon. And if you want to come
to a Collaboration Global meeting, don't forget you go to
the website Collaboration Global dot.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Org and you can book in there. They're online.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
We have two guest meetings a month, or you can
go to Don't Write and find us there. Off I
Meet You're tiny on LinkedIn and we can have a
chat there as well.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Thank you so much for being here. I'll see you
soon Ta Tatar indeed,