Louise Richardson

Louise Richardson is fighting a battle on all fronts. Running a charity to help young people stay safe, in every area of their lives is a challenge in itself. Add to that massive demand, coupled with bureaucracy and finding funds to remain sustainable and you can see that she must feel like she is between a rock and a hard place.

But she lives the values of her charity Absafe of Be Kind and Pride and moves mountains to make a difference to the young people who are sent to her. Her fail safe to stop from going crazy in our red tape world is to have a sense of humour and find fun in the every day.

Join us as we have a laugh over the inane and consider the impossible situations we can all face when pushing ourselves to be our best. You can see why she is a valued member of the Collaboration Global community.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to Being Human Hidden Depths, the podcast
by Collaboration Global. And my name is Jill Tiny and
I'm delighted to say we have one of our regular
members at Collaboration Global, Louise Richardson, join us today.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Lovely to have you today, Louise, Thank you for inviting me. Jill,
it's a delight to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well, you and I are very good at talking, aren't we?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
A little bit so we've been told.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
But what I want to do is delve deeper into
what you do and why you do it and kind
of I see you personally as an emphatic, go getting
no nonsense kind of woman, and other people might see
you as stroppy, high handed. There's two ways of looking

(00:51):
at the same coin, isn't there. And it's interesting how
as women in business and women who are passionate about
what we do, we can be labeled stoppy or bossy
or all those kind of names. I was once refused
to go. You're not allowed to go on the assertiveness

(01:12):
training course because you're too stoppy as it is.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes, excuse me.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Everyone else in the office can go, but I can't go. Yeah,
that's funny that at the age of twenty one, you
go okay. Then even though I was stopping, I went okay.
So it'll be interesting to see how you tackle some
of the life shifts that we've seen over the past
probably five years or it has been going on longer,

(01:37):
but over the last five years, and how mental health
has been affected. So before I go on and prataloon,
for those of you that don't know and haven't heard
your other podcast, can you tell us briefly the CEO
of ab Safe Aberdeen in up in Aberdeen, tell us
what you do and why you do it.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Do we deliver education on multiple I suppose with multiple spotlights.
So we traditionally worked with young people p. Seven which
is around ten or eleven twelve, and we taught them
things so they didn't die. That's kind of simply what
we did. And the reason we did that was because

(02:16):
we knew it worked. We would bump into people that
had been, you know, to ab Safe when they were younger,
and they go, I remember the train or I remember
learning about water safety. And when the young people come here,
we ask them like why here, why can't we do
this at school? And they say, because it's different, it's better.
Our educators kind of get to the give real life
experiences to help them make different decisions. Because what we

(02:40):
want young people to do is make better decisions for them,
take accountability that behavior has an impact, whatever that behavior is.
And you know, even if we cover it online, you know,
we talk about their legal responsibilities, particularly with protected characteristics,
and or we said, you know, you could make that
decision and that will happen, but you could make that

(03:01):
decision and that won't happen. So it's about them really
looking at choices because even though we know about brain
development in young people, we know that they're going to
take more risks. We're trying to get them to maybe
kind of mineralize those risks by making different decisions. We
also have done a mindfulance project in the schools. We
also deliver a Denny Get Scammed. I can't say that

(03:24):
very well because I'm not Scottish. Where we teach anybody
over the age of sixteen around safety online, whether that's
password protection or and we generally storytell. We're just started
launched two pre employability courses yesterday, so we've got two
cohorts and that really came about because we got some
money from something called AB's Works which came via Aberdeen Council,

(03:49):
but I think essentially funded. And what we saw was
people the system's not great and this isn't a blame
to anybody. A coach might spend three minutes on the
phone with the person that they're they're coaching twice, you know,
every two weeks, and getting to look at a list
of the jobs they've applied for and because apparently you

(04:10):
have to demonstrate that you're looking for work as a
full time occupation. And what came across then is that
we had a lot of people that were feeling a
bit broken. Their confidence was really low, their self esteem
was really low. So and the more they applied for
jobs and didn't get them, the more that was impacted
on their self esteem. So we reapplied for the fund
and now now we're doing a stepping forward course which

(04:32):
means we're really covering kind of key elements which confidence,
resilience and you know, kind of making plans that are
achievable for them. So it is it is a joy
to work with people and see how just see them grow,
just having a conversation with them, just talking to like

(04:53):
human beings. Yes, you know, we have no outcome you know,
they just have to turn up. You know, there's no exam,
there's no I don't know if you know that. If
you if you are onto the WP and you are
claiming benefit I don't know the names of benefits anymore,
then then they will sanction you. And they call it
a sanction. And I said, some of these days it
nineteen ten. So if you, for instance, have booked on

(05:17):
my course and you don't go, you will get sanctioned
and they will take money from you. Oh wow, and
they call it sanctioning. It's like a it's like a thing. Now.
I know that's their language they use, but I just
think about how much that must impact on people to
know that they've been sanctioned like they're noughty. So our
course really covers those key elements. So we had two
co watch yesterday. The first co what we didn't even

(05:38):
get past slide for and the second COLP we've got
we didn't get past that side seven, you know. So
it's all about interactive collaboration. It's all about you know,
I learned from them, they learn from me. It's given
them hints, tips and explanations why they're behave in a
certain way when you know that you're you behave in

(05:58):
a certain way because of organic because you know I
talk about caves a lot, and you know born and
you know the brain. I explain your days and created
equal you've got older parts in your part. Then actually
a lot of things that we do is a choice.
And I think once we tell people that, you can
then say, well, if I choose to do that, like
we do with the kids, then this will happen. But
if I choose to do that, then something else will happen.

(06:19):
So fundamentally what we do isn't different, we just do
it in different guises. We've just started a community choir.
Now I didn't want to start a community choir because
I have too much to do. But somebody come out
to me and went, oh, there's really lonely older people
in the community. They were on a quiet and I
went fine, So we apply to somebody got a little
bit of money. Now we've got a community choir, and

(06:39):
we've just got some money to run a women's choir.
So that is really a safe space for women to
come wonderful. It doesn't matter what your experience is. It's
literally just two hours that women can come and it
will be a safe space run for women by women,
and those things are really important to develop resilience and
confidence in the community. And we're hoping that, well, you know,

(07:02):
we'll get we'll get people from the police that come
and kind of great crisis and all those just characters
come and integrate in the quiet little bit. This is well,
isn't it. This is community.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
So many times and so many places, community has been lost.
So if you are struggling and you need to go
to report it to a policeman something's happened to you.
And you might not know any policeman, but if one
or two of them have been in the community and
you see a familiar face, then you feel like, oh, okay,
maybe I can do this.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's not so difficult. Yeah, and you know, we have
police officers our community based so you know that, you know,
and I know a problem of like one of them
is on our board of directors and she's pretty normal, right,
so she's pretty approachable, pretty normal, but she's a police officer.
At the end of the day that she's a police officer.
And I think it's it's good that we have people
that are police officers and then they have a certain
set of rules. And that's good because that's that's important,

(07:53):
you know. But I think if we can break down
some of those barriers, I think that would be great.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
They get such a bad press.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, and you know, there are there are people who
are presenting in organizations that you know, that are really positive,
and there's people in the same modernizations that maybe you
are presented a bit negative. And that happens across the
board and that I was a nurse for a long time.
Similar thing. I was reading something this morning that somebody said,
you know, when they were told that the I think

(08:20):
their daughter died, you know, they were kind of in
that minimum of grief and they were told to keep
it down. There were sick people. Now you can pick
that apart as much as you want that, you know,
but you're nothing you can say at that point would
made it feel better. But there's different ways of handling.
But then you're relying on that person's delimit information not
to have the succession of a bad morning. You know.

(08:40):
I remember I worked at a Christmas Day once. I
had three deaths, and you know, and then you know,
by the third one, you're kind of like, I'm a
little bit I'm a little bit tired of you know,
it's horrible news. So I think it's sometimes you know,
we have spoken in the past and I delivered a
resilience presentation on on Thursday to business people by Pride

(09:04):
but by a Prospect, which is like a local authors
and it's a national organization in Scotland and they work
with like semes usually represent semes and you know, and
and I was saying that we need you know, you
can go into certain organizations. I'll have a list of
what do they call them, core core values and there's

(09:26):
always like communication, I don't know, appreciation, whatever it might be.
It's allgations, isn't that? And ours? Ours a safe is simple,
be kind, that's it. That's it. We don't have any more,
we don't have any less. And pride that's what we have.
And we have pride up on a on a on
a it's like in separate letters and it's over our door.

(09:47):
And because we want people to have pride in themselves
but also you know, pride in what they do community.
So that's what we have and there's nothing added to that,
there's nothing taken away. It's pride and it's you know,
it's it's be kind. So when you think about that
in terms of leadership, like I spoke about the other day,
you can't be a good leader if you're not coming
from a kind place, you can't. You just if you're

(10:11):
doing things out of anger, you will not get it
right for you. And even if you I mean, I
was asked a question on Thursday and they said, well,
what about boundaries? They said, being kind doesn't mean you
exist without boundaries. I think actually the opposite is true.
Being kind is understanding your boundaries and understanding that if
you have to deliver bad news, then you do it
with your best intention, then you cause the least harm.

(10:35):
If you're going to tell someone you're going to sack on,
for instance, then that conversation has to happen whether you
like it or not. And you think if you do
it from a place of do the least harm, then
it's going to come across a bit better. So I
think as safe we're quite bespoke that way, and I
think I think we're probably missed a lot because of that,

(10:57):
because we're not the ones that will I suppose, fit
into kind of slots because we know people. So unless
we're adaptable and respond and respond into the need of
the community. Then there's no point has been here.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, but then again, if you don't respond to the
needs of community, then you're not being kind and you're
not having pride. So you're just not even fulfilling your
basic values as an organization. No.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
One of the things you said earlier.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Was about when you had a course the other day
and one time you just got to slide four and
the other one you only got to slide five. I
love the thought that your organization is so adaptable that
they see the people in the room. They're not just
bringing people.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
In cookie cutter style. You know this. You learn that
you read this power point, here's a handout off you
go next. You're looking at the people.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
In the room and you are allowing them to ask
and share what they need. And isn't interesting that you
spoke to a group of businessmen because what you're describing
in that where young people coming together in a room
and only got to slide for that's because there were
conversations that.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Were useful to everybody.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
If you have a group of businessmen and you come
into a room together and you share, that gets turned
into a mastermind. That's you know, a Mastermind group, where
it's known in the SME world in the entrepreneur world
that you get together with people who are like minded
and lighthearted and you share your knowledge and your experience
in order to help each other. And they will pay

(12:31):
thousands for that mastermind group that they're allowed to go
to meet up with other people that have the same
problems as them, that have the same solutions that they
don't have.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, and I think John, who kind of facilitates it,
he works for Prosper, is a really good guy. And
you know, there were a group of business people in
the room. And so while I already know he's a
coder and I won't tell you his name because he's
our codre, I'm not telling you who he is quite busy.
And you know, so you have people that work from anywhere,
from might kind of an SME or it could be
recruitment or wherever it is. And I think the beauty

(13:04):
of that is that we forget that people are human
in those roles. So you can go to a lot
of talks and it might be about how you do
your accounts or you know, how you you know, keep
yourself safe for health and safety or anything, but actually
what we don't is we miss a step before then.
And I think there's a huge gap in that. There's
a huge gap. I also have a better pet hate,

(13:25):
which I'm going to talk about, but there's a huge
gap in being personable with people and actually saying, you know,
this is some knowledge that I've got, and you know,
I've accumulated my knowledge over thirty six years. It's a
long time. So I'm not speaking from a place of expertise.
I'm speaking from a place of my experience that may
be helpful for your experience. And I think when we
got the group who and they're unemployed, and you know,

(13:48):
the youngest was seventeen, and the I don't know what
the olds well it doesn't really matter, but he's old,
you know, And we don't talk to them like they're
a number, and we don't talk to them in words
of like sanctioning or and actually a lot of these
people when in fact later are actually told they had
to come on the course, which is the worst thing.
We're like, no, you don't actually have to go, but
they had to because otherwise they get sanctioned. Right, So

(14:11):
it was really interesting and one of the women in
one of the courses was was was really challenging and
I but not not in a disrespectful way at all,
but she was like, I don't agree with you. And
I was like, let's let's let's let's let's look at that.
Let's why you agree. And I think that's really helpful
when people have a space where they can say I
don't agree with you, and you know, and that's not
my perspective. And I went, that's absolutely okay, but let

(14:34):
me tell you why it might be my perspective. And
I think that dialogue doesn't happen enough, and I think
we don't latterly. I think we probably all know that
a lot of people are miserable at work. There's not
a lot of people that that go I really, I
really a job, and I really like my job, and
it is a job, and it is a business, and
I run it like a business. So it's it's you know,

(14:55):
it comes with all the joys and pressures of them.
And funding is a content, like I was saying before,
kind of started recording, a constant battle that I'm against
just to deliver these great kind of workshops for people
to make an improvement in you know, the local community
and the community for Aberdeen and my pet hate at
the minute is and I'll tell you a story. So

(15:17):
I have a degree in psychology and I was a counselor, right,
so I'm a little bit qualified, right, a little bit.
And so I did an art what's called an art
therapy coke. Let me see if I can find a certificate. Well,
we've got somebody to deliver a course for adults in

(15:41):
the shire. So we're going to do two weeks of music,
two weeks of art, two weeks of acting drama, right,
building confidence and self esteem. So I got a Art
Life coach certification the other day. Now I worry that
people that don't have my background get that that I

(16:04):
worry about that. I worry about it, right because I
know that that is a muddy water step in when
you're exploring people's raw emotions through a artistic space. Right.
So I was laughing because I got a certificate and
are I great and all that kind of stuff, And

(16:25):
this is great, And I think we need to be
very careful that when we are working with people that
we know the limitations of that and a lot of
the time it isn't the time to explore those things.
And unless you are a hugely qualified person and being
supervised and all that kind of stuff. You know, you
can only kind of touch on the expression of freedom

(16:47):
around that. And I think it's really important that people
who do get courses, and it's great that people educate themselves.
I'm all for that. I mean, I was in education
kind of leaving school and then went back into education
when I was twenty five and really stayed in it
for about fifteen years plus work two jobs and kids
and stuff. You know, we can't we need to be careful.

(17:10):
So we need to be very careful when we're working
with vulnerable people about what their expectations are. But also
we need to give them space, but not enough space
that they over expose themselves that they instantly regret. And
I think that's a very difficult balance to manage. And
it takes experience. It's not an age thing. It takes

(17:30):
experience or whatever your experience may be. But even to
manage a group of five people intensely for two hours
is actually quite exhausting because you're holding these people, managing
the relationships within this little group, and making sure that
everybody remains safe. So it's a skill, and it's a
skill that can be learned. But you know, I always

(17:50):
worry that and people then become vulnerable.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
At the end of the day, you're a human being,
So even if you've got a string of qualifications, you
might be having a bad day and you're sitting there
and unless you give them that space to get to
question you as well and not take what you are
saying as good eaten, this is it.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
This is the way it.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Should be because we're all human beings and we all
come at it from a different context, a different space,
a different experience.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
So it is really.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
We have to value each other's experience and we have
to value where they're coming from.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
At the same time, I've got a question.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
In view of the fact that one of our members
at Collaboration Global is the founder of the World Mental
Health Forum, and one or two other members are deeply
into supporting people with poor mental health in their businesses.
In your work, and obviously a lot of it is
about where people are coming from and what their situation

(18:48):
is and what their mental state is. What would you say, generally,
is the biggest problem that is coming at you regularly
that you see that people are struggling with.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
People don't understand even though we have more information at
our fingertips than ever. Right, we can google everything, right,
I mean you and I both remember the days where
there wasn't Google. I don't want to exposure their deal,
but we're one hundred and three I know, is that
we understand less. So I think the biggest thing that
hits me all the time is that people really aren't

(19:23):
taught the basics around their brain, their mind, and how
their physicality it affects that. And I think, I mean,
sometimes I say stuff I think is really easy, right,
I go, it's really like the brain thing. I know,
the brain is created a different times. When you think
of evolution, it makes sense, right, But we don't teach

(19:44):
people that. Apparently that's not important. We don't teach people
that a lot of the stuff we're trying to deal
with is beyond our adaptability because it's coming too fast
at us. And then somebody says to me the day, like,
why do we have the any kids with ADHD? So well,
let's look at it. You know, I was a kid
that I was born in the early seventies, just just
in the seventies, and you know, before then, you weren't

(20:08):
sat in front of it Telly on a Saturday morning.
So I'm already overstimulated because you know, they were teally happened.
Then we all watch Telly, and then we got more channels,
and then we got this, we got Buddy, we got
and so you know, we're asking why this happens, like
we have no responsibility for it, but actually we've overstimulated
our population to the point simple things are now being missed.

(20:29):
And I think that's one of the things we need
to take accountability and responsibility for. Right Why does it
come as a shark that we've got kids that are
overstimulated when our world is overstimulated. It's almost like they
think they've just popped out with the womb.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
And I'm like, you know, when you add into all
the other effects as well, the processed food and the
the main hits and the quarters all beings just like yeah,
and it makes but think the overstimulation of the brain
that releases.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
All those things, you know, And I think then people
ask why is it happened? And I look at them
and I think, it's almost like a shock. But you're overstimulated.
We're overstimulated, And then you expect a two year old
not to be overstimulated, and I just say, let's let's
just join it a little bit, let's join the jocks
to live. But I'm not saying that's the bill and

(21:16):
end all, but I do think it's contributing factor that
we're overstimulated. There for our kids are overstimulated. And then
we asked why. I mean, sorry, I call it like
the Facebook itist, you know, yeah, yeah, I agree, I
used to. This is twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
My god daughter. I used to look after her for
a little bit and one day we were chatting and
she says, she does this on a Monday night and
Tuesday and this on a Wednesday. So this is again
it's before social media and all the rest of it.
But TV was there and processed foods and you know, busy, busy, busy, and.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
She had no days.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
She was like lunchtime, there was a club, after school,
club evening. There was drama or there was ballet or
blah blah lah. Every single Saturday's, there were summit's, Sundays,
there was something.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
When do you get time to go blur? She said,
what do you mean? I said, well, when did you
get bored? And she said, well, what's bored?

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yes, I said okay, once a term, once every half term,
you come around to my house and we're handing a
blur day. And for the best part, I know, three
or four years, she would come around and we'd just
be like, hang out, do nothing. Maybe if she fancied
making cakes, maybe we'd make some cakes. If she fancied
me reading to a story for an hour, what read

(22:27):
the story for an hour? Whatever she needed at that time,
she could do. And now I see my granddaughter too.
Every day I said, you come.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
To energyes, do you want to go out? She's like, no, no,
it's breathtaking. And but I think when we look at
how we explain that, when we link that to business
and leadership and management, and I think, you know, we
get asked the question all the time about what's the
dipters between medup and management? And I think it's quite
clear a leader to let a good leader a great lead,

(23:00):
they should do things from place of empathy and kindness. Yes,
if you don't, you end up like Donald Trump. And
I'm not going to get into that today. Don't start.
We'll do that another day. You have to mean, you
get to the point where he's the opposite end of that,
He's not really a leader.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
He's not he's a businessman and he's manipulating anyway.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Won't we won't go into that. We don't have time.
And I'm not as polite as you, Jill, okay, but
I think you know it's a start. Reality is that
we don't really celebrate people who come from a place
of kindness because people still view kindness as weakness. And
I think I've said before no, kindness is a superpower,
and we're kind when more we get the benefit more

(23:40):
than the person we're being kind to. And I think
if we tell people that, you know, if people aren't mean,
then you'll feel better. Part of the course that we're
doing at the moment is around getting people to feel joyous.
And it's a really interesting word because when I use it,
people go and I know, let's let's reown it. Let's

(24:01):
re explore what joy means. What does joy actually mean?
An in show I used to work with some metalities
that we used to work with some people joy for
about ten years actually, But anyway, I really love joy.
But when you say to people, let's explore what joy
is and what that does to your brain and what
does that to you know, the kind of the chemical
composition of your brain. It's it's kind of like a

(24:23):
gift and it's really free. Oh I think if we
say that to people, this is free. You know you
can do this, and it's it's practice. It's like if
you're going to go to gym, or if you're going
to learn a language, or I you're going to learn
to paint or any of those things. It takes practice.
But the more that you can invite joy in your life,
I know, really tiny things like.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Really so absolutely I knew somebody wants to I was
talking to him about when I was at school, and
I said, you know, the one thing about school, even
if I didn't like the lessons, I knew that every
single day I was going to laugh to my ribs
hurt and I would be saying, stop it, stop it,
I can't take it anymore. And he looked at me
like I was mad. He said, the only time I've
laughed uncontrollably, says when I was taking drugs was what

(25:05):
he had no experience of, that joy, that uncontrolled laughter
over something.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
They go, what are we laughing about? I don't know
you started it? Well, I can't remember what that was about.
To this day.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I've got a friend that went to UNI with in
my forties and we've got a thing and we don't
know why if we go through a revolving door we
fall out the other end and we're in fits of laughter.
And a friend of ours who's watching this, what it
is about you two girls? He said, I just don't
get it. I mean, we don't either, but it's hilarious,
you know. It's just that thing, that pure, pure joy,
just for silliness sake, just being silly and daft and

(25:38):
not worrying about what people think of you, and not
worrying about who's looking at you, and not worrying if
you've got to take a photo of it or take
a video of it, or whether you were looking great
or had your makeup on perfect, just being silly and
enjoying yourself.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
And I think it's something that we can talk about
a little bit more, but not in a way you know,
you know, you go to sam and stuff, but I
think it has to be delivered in a way that
people understand and people relate to and resonate with. And
it's not And again I don't speak from a place
of expertise. I have expertise in that area. But I'm

(26:12):
not the expert. All I'm doing is sharing things that
are actually common knowledge. You know. They like what we
call open source. You can go and look this up
and it's how you connect the dots. I guess and
about and it is about so can I share this?
So we had a referral for this course, and it
was an inappropriate referral and I spoke to this young
this person. I don't know how old they are, and

(26:35):
he really just wanted a certificate and he is under guardianship.
So I didn't know all that at the time. So
I said to his support worker, Look, they're having a meeting.
I said, look, when you've had the meeting, get back
to me. We'll do a course for an hour and
we'll give them a certificate and we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
For your charge.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
And they said, oh, I said, because you know we
can put something together for an hour. I can? I
can I put We've got lots of resources, and you
know it'll be about fifty minutes. We'll have a little
break and we'll give them a certificate that will make
him feel happy as larry and give him a given
And it's all about boosting self esteem. You know, and
I think there's little bits like that that you know,
we are tight for time, right Ken and I do

(27:21):
this on not even full time hours, and you know,
we run like a charity that really needs about six people.
So it's not because but I just think sometimes you
have to spend a time in the moment and think, right,
who's going to benefit from this? And you've got to
You've got to invest that time in this person because

(27:42):
they would promised something they weren't really suitable for. So
that wasn't their fault. That wasn't their fault. So how
can we make it right for them?

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Like a little bit part of them that will feel
like they've been overlooked again, they've been ignored again, they're
in the wrong place on time again, and whatever it.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Is, Yeah, for sure. So it's about doing those little
things and you know, if that's the only thing that
you do, but I know that I'll get a lot
of joy out of that. So it's not even altruistic
because you know, we've worked with a client group similar
to that and we had a lovely little day to
be honest, we had like one of the best days

(28:21):
we've ever had, So we know it's it's it's not
based on altruism. We know that we'll get benefit from that.
We'll know that the smile on that person's face will
you know, will feed us for dates. So there's no
way it's coming from a place of I'm a martyr here.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Absolutely not, because what you said earlier, being kind is
better almost the person receiving it.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
The joy of somebody's face because you've just chatted stuff
for an hour, you know, I can pull out my
pocket anyway is amazing, and I you know, so I
don't want people to see it and think I didn't
don't know. It's not that. Actually it's because I yeah,
it's it's a good thing to do, but I'm going
to definitely get benefit from that.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
And for somebody who has probably struggled in life and
felt rejected and felt like they're not good enough, they've
not got a certificate that says they've achieved something.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, he did say if I don't conquer our a certificate,
and I won't, No, I like, no, you can't. You're
going to stuffer.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
You will put up with me for an hour and
you're going to give me joy or you're going to
give me joy or nothing. Happens, and I think it's
back to the I think it's back to that.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Let's go back to our basic humans out our basic
I mean we I have a theory. I have theories
on lots of things. One of them is around when
we lived in caves. I'm loving I love talking about
load the cake is that you know, we used to
be matriarchal right, so we used to have women that
used to kind of do everything. Yeah, And so I
was talking to me today, said, because you know, you

(29:51):
kind of only need one man, but probably needs six
women because we have one woman, right, that kind of stuff.
But I think once we got away from that, we
got away from that kind of maternalistic community. I'm not
saying it's everybody, but I think it's a shame that
we're missing that we're missing a beat on that as well.
To go back to that, Let's just take a break

(30:12):
and see what's going on. Let's see if we can
avoid this conflict. Let's see how we can sit here
with that an ego and just make sure that people
don't die. I think is something that kind of keeps
me awake at night because I think it's something that
can be easily solved because it's not a hard problem.
It's made difficult. But actually it's not a difficult problem

(30:32):
to solved. You just have to stop and do something different.
So instead of going to war, don't go to war.
And when we talk about choices, it is all a choice.
We all have choices to make. And I think that's
a shame and I think it does keep me up
at night because I think we're missing a beat we
could probably if you know the world, and I say

(30:53):
to people, you know, can you imagine being kind people
have been kind to you all the time, Or can
you imagine in school that every is is having a
lovely time and nobody gets bollied? And you know, the
kids can't even imagine that. It's so far beyond their
ability to see. They struggle to imagine that. And if
they can't imagine it, then it will never happen. And

(31:13):
I think that's the crime that is criminal for me,
and and it's the crime that people are missing. And
you know, schools are like war zones at the minute,
you know, we you know, there is violence in quite
a lot of our schools, and not through the students,
students to teachers, students to students it's you know, and
I think it's as I've said, because we work in schools,

(31:33):
we try and do a little bit about that, but
we're not funded enough to go in there and really
unpick that and really change the culture. Because that's something
we could do and not for that much money, but
we could because we did it. We changed the school
into a mindfulness school, so massive impact, changed the whole
culture of the school to the point that we do
mindfulness sessions on kayaks, you know, because it was that

(31:54):
important to the kids to do even when they were
on their like transition break wow. And if we our
dream and people I dream a lot about stuff because
I think it's the only way you can kind of
get past bumps in the road. Is if we could
do that to all the feeder schools to one high
school or we call them academies from are called academies
in Scotland. We you know what a difference that would

(32:16):
make that people then are prepared, self regulated, understand given
and taking feedback and respect and decision making and accountability.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
And if they go into that school knowing that everybody
else is following those examples and over the door is
be kind and pride, then you know, then you're not
on watching for the.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Next person that's going to bully you or looking out having.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
To protect yourself, so you can be more more natural,
more authentic, and then you can be more creative, stretch
your abilities because you're not worried about somebody ridiculing you
or saying you're not good enough, all of that.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
And I think that's what I mean. It's not compact,
it's not hard. It's not it doesn't feel hard to me.
I'm not saying it's not easy to do. That's not
what I'm saying, but the concept of it is quite simplistic.
We need to go back to those community feels. We
need to put back in you know, how people value themselves,
how people can build their own confidence, and how people

(33:15):
really build their own self esteem. Because I was asked
a question like, what's the difference between confidence and self esteem?
I think confidence you can fake till you make it right.
You can pretend to be confident. People tell me I'm
they're confident, and I think, I'm not sure. But self
esteem is an inward inner you or that's self esteem
for me, and self esteem is really important to develop

(33:36):
confidence and confidence is important to develop self estem but
less so because I think it's a very externalized presentation
where self esteem is all about your core value, your rock,
your steady, your foundation. And I think it's really in
people that people understand that difference, because I think people think,
you know, I am a confident person, but I don't

(33:58):
have to tell people I'm confident because they see it.
That doesn't mean I'm confident all the time. But I'm
confident in my abilities, but I'm also confident in my
core value system that even if I'm not feeling confident,
I will try and do the best buy somebody most
of the time. So that's what gives you the confidence.

(34:20):
People misread the word confidence and misunderstand confidence all the time.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I think this is what you're just saying. There was
very important in that if you're looking to do stuff
and be kind for other people, you put yourself second,
and so there isn't the need to have confidence because
you're doing it for somebody else. So the confidence will come,
or the self esteem is in there because you've.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Got your purpose and your.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Fire in your belly to help that other person. You know,
your climb over hot coals if need to be, so
that will give you the confidence to do what you
have to do because this person standing in front of
you and they need you, and you know you can
help and support them. So everything else about Am I
good enough, I've got the right clothes on? Or I
was two minutes later. I wonder if that's going to
all of that doubt that we have and we can

(35:05):
all go down that road.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I'd like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Sure ninety nine percent of people will go down that
road of self doubt for whatever reason, imposter syndrome and
all the rest of it. But when you're doing it
for somebody else, I say this to a lot of
my clients, it's like, how dare you not tell people
what you do and help people because you're a bit
shy or you don't want to go on a video,
or you're too scared to start that workshop or whatever

(35:30):
it is that's going on. Because you know you can
help people, so why.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Are you keeping that to yourself?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
And it's the same use as soon as you know
you can help somebody, the relevance of confidence is forgotten.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's just that this is what I have to do,
so I'm going to do it. Yeah. I mean, we
call it the three apps, the apps situation, which is
the fight, flight and fear, and yeah, no, and it's
all our anger, fear, all those emotions are the same.
It comes from one umbrella, really, and when you understand that,
you understand and how you can manage it. If we

(36:04):
can give people the tools to manage that so they're
not coming from a pace of fear which is actually
just poor man's anger or whatever. You know, it's organically
it's the same. And then I say to people all
the time, so you know, you you feel fear, where
do you feel it? Or where anxiety? Okay, you feel excitement?
Where do you feel it? And it's the same. When
you think about that, you feel it, You feel physically

(36:25):
the same. You just give it a different give or take.
And it's quite a simple view of neuroscience, but no
give or take. We our body responds the same. And
that's why little winds are so important and little joys
are so important because our brain tore. It's that better, right,
So I think if we can tell people that and
get them to explore that, and get them to really
and when you say that to people, people go oh,

(36:47):
and I'm like, I know, and it gives them a
sense of okay, if I can. If I can work
with excitement, I can work with fear unless you need
to be fearful, like I said, you unless you're being
chased down by a bear. Yeah, then you know. Social
anxiety is a really interesting concept because your brain scans
for fear all the time, every minute of every day.

(37:09):
Even when you're asleep, it's not unusual for your brain
to keep on scanning. So unless you have something to
be fearful, and I mean like a proper attack, then
you can kind of start thinking about and imagine the
fact that you're going to be okay. And I think
that leads people to feel better. People who feel better
make better decisions, people who feel better are happier. There's

(37:31):
all of that that's into into kind of linked and
entwined human beings. But actually we're very basic people organically.
We're basic in terms of, you know, a body responds
to things that hasn't really changed that much in the
last how many years, thousands of years. I'm not very

(37:51):
good at history, so don't don't come back with with that.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
But the thing that has the thing that has changed
is the speed of change. There's so many things happening,
so quickly going back to the ADHD thing we were
talking about earlier. That's one of the massive things that
have changed is that we're all sitting on their bums now.
We're not walking to the bus stop or jumping on
the train. We're working from home, or we're not turning
on the radio or going to the television. We're just

(38:15):
telling Alexa to.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Do it for us. You know.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
It's all these things that we're now living such sedentary lives.
So all of that energy is now moving itself into
our brain to start the worrying of like what if,
and it's shifted the physiology of how we are so if.
That's why I know everybody's going running now because everyone
says that's where they find their peace because they're getting
rid of all those kind of toxins that are in

(38:40):
their body because they're actually.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Do with adrenaline and no adrenaline corsyle. But I have
to confess, I'm not going to go run in I
just want to I'm not running. I don't want to run.
I'm not going to run. When I look at people running,
I've never seen them smile. Actually people smile on the
ice cream. I'm just putting that out on this poda
cast right here, and now why I did? Do you know?
There's certain things that you can do, so you know,

(39:02):
I you know, I took and I paint and that's
kind of my my peace because it's peaceful. But they're
still struggling, that trust me. But it's a peaceful. So
I think whatever you're if it's running, great, if it's
lying down on your back right, If it's going to
the gym and lifting some weight, it's great. If it's
going for a walk, if it's you know, swimming, if

(39:23):
it's just spending twenty minutes outside thinking about nature, looking
at the sky, great. I mean, it depends. I think
it's so individualized that we have to choose what is
best for us that gives us some peace. And I
think what we miss is peace. And because we don't
daydream anymore, Like when have you ever heard of kids daydreaming?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Oh gosh, I love it.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Look out the window daydream methlessens absolutely, And I think
that's what we do. The kids don't do anymore. They
don't daydream. They just don't sit there like you say,
and just look out over the window because they're on
their phones or on their phones or there's something that
they're anxious about because they don't know if they're going
to get you know, they're going to get a response
to or not a response to, or you know they

(40:13):
like you say, they're booked up. So they've got like
ballet and football and rugby. And I was I am
going to say I was guilty of this. My kids
probably could barely take a breath, except four of them.
So if they if one of them wasn't going, we
all went right. So if one of them played football,
we all went to football. So it was kind of
that situation because you know, Stu warked away, so a
lot of it. We were single parents in essence, like

(40:37):
getting kids to think. So you know one of them
played rugby, we all went to rugby. So but yeah,
kids don't daydream. I've not heard of anybody use the
word daydre anymore because it's something that kids don't do.
And I think it's a great lot because our brain
is our biggest organ and we rested the least.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yes, yes, that is so true. So I've literally just
had the flu, as many people will know because I
keep going on about it, and I was flawed. But
the blessing and there's always a blessing is that I
couldn't do anything. I couldn't look at the screen, I
couldn't watch TV. So for a good week I was
just thinking, and it was bliss in order to kind

(41:19):
of clarify my thoughts and think about different things and
daydream and let my mind wander all on its own
and then it would come back again.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
It was just a gift.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
It was an absolute gift to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
And I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I love that Winnie the Poop poem about two rain
drops going down the window pane and which one's going
to win. And I'm sure children would not have even
had a blink of a moment to watch two rain
drops on a window pane. We used to get bored
a lot when we were kids, didn't we, And it
was it made you imaginative and creative to create something
to amaze themselves.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
And I think things we were celebrated that, but we're
the ones that have passed it on the least interestingly.
Think about it, And I why you've never met to
your hosband w I talked about. I'll talk about him
all the time sometimes it's nice and he came into
the bedroom one day and he says, he says, what

(42:14):
are you doing? And I just went I'm thinking, and
he went, are you okay? And I was like, yeah,
you've interrupted my thinking out and he kind of just
literally looked at me as if I needed mental health assistance.
Be gone, literally like we need to get something to
you know, kind of be an exist in here, an exticism.
I think it's important that we and how do we

(42:36):
do that is by we we manage it, we mirror it,
we do we talk about we need to sit still
and we need to say, right, I'm just thinking what
about And I went, not sure, I'm just letting my
brain think. And that's why people will say often or
have my best ideas in the shower or when you
stood in a queues were going because you're literally not
doing anything else. So it's not because of the shower.

(42:58):
He might be I'm not gonna you know, do you?
But my point is is it's because we're the usually
the least distracted. Yeah, that's the crazy one too.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
It was interesting the last week my granddaughter, aged two,
We're walking through this park, beautiful park, and I'm chatting
about all look at the leaves and look at all the.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Daffo deals out my love.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
And she wouldn't nih okay, but what she was saying
should listen. And we stood there and we were listening
to the birds.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
She was in heaven. She was in absolute heaven. I
went okay. But interestingly, you've been taught a lesson by
a two year old that understands the importance of listening
to nature right two. She has a greater understanding than
most people I come into contact with at two. She
generally understands that people just shut up. Yes, and and

(43:48):
I do say this to you sometimes because when it
goes to water, when I go for all with the dogs,
like we have three dogs. I never listened to anything.
I don't listen to music anymore. I don't listen to podcas.
I don't listen. I literally try. And it's interesting. I
notice that if I'm really busy, I don't hear the birds.
There's like a little bit of a ab everything's abody

(44:08):
is great, it's no. It's got beautiful green areas, and
we've got a beautiful beach, right And sometimes the birds
are deafening. And sometimes I've gone I haven't heard that
because I've been too distracted. So it's it's literally like
your granddaughter's has. You have to just go and once
you start listening to one bird, it's like a cocophony.

(44:29):
I don't even know that's the word for birds. And
literally it was so loud. I was thinking, I haven't
heard that for like five minutes of my walk because
I was too distracted. And I think, you know, you've
been handed it from her to you. You've been handed
a gift to shut up and listen. And I think
there's something we tell I tell adults that all the time,
and I tell kids that all the time. You know,

(44:50):
when I was giving the talk to the business community
on Thursday, you know, I don't know if I've got
one here. Actually we're talking about slinky, so I don't
know if I did that in the presentation of it.
Are yes, it's all about slinky. So I bought I
bought them. Not that's that's the I'm going to show
them so much flaw. So I bought them slinkies right
there we go, Okay, whoa, So you know, I said,

(45:15):
you know, and I bought them out of my money,
right not because because it because it's right and good
and I wouldn't spend the charts of money, but I
actually want to give them a gift from me to them.
And it was interesting because it was a table and
they hadn't picked up their slinkies. Someone I was sat
there and they haven't picked up their slinkies, and he
was quite he was quite soured up, and he went,
you haven't picked up your slinkies. And at the same time,
this group of five people picked up these slinkies and smiled. Yeah,

(45:37):
And I went, nailed it. Well, it's not that I
just want more a joyous thing for them to smile
like before they're working day. Yes, they literally picked up
this thing that that you know, not as slinkies we
used to get back in the day, but you know,
and it just gave them a sense. They all smiled.
And I think, if you can do that for somebody,
then why would you choose not to? And I think

(45:57):
that is a choice, and we need to be coming
calling full circlus. We need to be very aware that
we choose our behavior. Even if we're feeling overwhelmed or
angry or upset or happy or excited, it's still a choice.
And you know, if you can make someone just smile
for it, even for a second. And it's somebody was
telling the story that you know in the code might

(46:19):
tell his name Crofthology, because he's really good. But he said,
you know, he in the morning, he says a loads
people and then the next time he meets them, like,
look at it a bit weird and then they'll go hello,
and it's it's kind of that that riple effect. Yeah,
So I think the small things we do gives us
a sense of joy, and their joy helps our brain.
The chemicals change in our brain to make them kind

(46:41):
of release more of the good stuff. So I suppose
ab save exists to do that, and it's a shame
because that is our agenda, and that's our only agenda
actually is to kind of is kind of to make
people's lives better. That's it.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
But that's that's like the fulk crum though for all
the results that you get from people that never knew
about how to be safe online, never understood how they
might be scammed and can now be safe, never understood
water safety, never understood all the gazillion things that you
teach them, and all you're doing is coming from this
place of joy, kindness and pride, and that is like,

(47:19):
if you put that in a little and yeah, this
is what I want to do for people, everyone's like,
oh really. But when you then take it down to
this is making them safe and giving them choices, is
giving them empowered choices. And I think one of the
biggest things is to give them choice of where they
put their attention and that then gives them space for

(47:40):
their heads to relax and breathe, but also to not
go to a space where they could get upset and
churned up with all the emotion. That's the negative stuff
that maybe they're being bullied or whatever, and it's being
able to choose where your attention goes. And that's again
the mental issues that our young people and obviously grown

(48:01):
ups adults as well, but they're struggling with is because
they're being bombarded all the time, and if it's attacking
them and people in judgment of them, which they feel
they can do because they can be anonymous online. It's
like you can not look at your phone. So I
think I'm going to start up a rebel movement. You know,
there's AI coming up and we don't know if it's

(48:23):
truth or liars or scams or whatever. Everyone's Oh, it's brilliant.
You know it's going to help revolutionize and lah lah lah. Well, yeah,
you can take the best bits, but some bits of
the Internet are not the best bits. So choose where
your attention goes and make.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Sure your brain has space to be attentive to you
and to find out what you need. You just need
to sit and lesson. Yes, go and take a step
outside lesson. Whether you live in Aurora, are in the
mid city, try and find that space where you can listen.
And it sounds really strange, but listen to a tree

(48:59):
russ or I mean, I told you about the research
about the plant, didn't I maybecm end on this. They did.
They did a piece of research in a care home.
And so they say they had fifty residents. I don't
really need the exact detail. So fifty residents, twenty five
the gate they give plants to all fifty residents, right,
and twenty five of them had to water their own plants,

(49:21):
and twenty five of them got them watered by the
care staff. What they noticed is in the cohort that
they watered themselves. They needed less pain medication, They felt
more connected, they felt happier, yice and all they were doing.
All they were doing was watering their plant. So my

(49:44):
advice to anybody listening to this. And I kind of
got a bit crazy with plants and you know, like
lockdown like a big weirdo. So my husband tries to
sneak him out the front, and I sneak him in
the back. You know that, Yeah, And is that you know?
If it doesn't have to be big, and this is
what I keep on coming back to do. It doesn't
have to be altruistic, it doesn't have to be massive.
You can get a cat dye for literally no money

(50:07):
and just watch it in the morning. So if you
can't access outside because you live on the main road,
then get a small plant and look at that plant.
It has the same effect. And even if you imagine
being outside, your brain does the same things if you're
actually outside. So even if you can't go outside for
whatever reason, we had to be do on the course

(50:30):
to see it was historically agroaphobic, if you imagine being outside,
your brain does similar things. So if you are not
feeling happy, if you can imagine feeling happy, it releases
similar chemicals. If you can't go outside, imagine going outside
if you want to be one hundred meter runner, then
imagine being a one hundred meters runner, right, imagine the race.

(50:53):
Imagine running the race. Your brain will release certain chemicals
you don't actually have to physically do the fact. And
that's that's good to know because people aren't always in
circumstances where they're able to get to where they need
to be to feel peace. They may be in hospital
or you know, in you know, high rise building or
whatever it may be. And here's my please. If you
are making buildings, build balconies. I think everybody should have

(51:15):
an outdoor area, everybody. I'm obsessed with it. I'm obsessed
with balconies. So reminds me to build and build me
a house the balcony. I'm that that'd be great, That'd
be amazing. But that's all I want to say to
people is that, you know, we try and get people
to imagine that their lives can be different, and that's
the starting point for them maybe making choices that will
be different for them. Absolutely, going back to joy.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
One of the ways you spread joy. I have to
just share this with people is you have a particular
dinosaur that you look after.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Do you mean that's the wonderful was it dead? So
I don't know what the name was.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
The one we've got in the in the in the
in the what we show the kids, the one that
made you and Kin just fall about laughing.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, so we have, sure we have. So well, what
happened was I decided that the staff needed cheering up,
so I ordered an inflatable dinosaur suit from Schmamerson, like
you do, and then I came into work in it.
Most people just bringing donuts, you know, but you know
I came. I came in as an inflatable dinosaur. Excellent.

(52:25):
And then we decided to make it on mascot. So
we have a video in our old when we're in
the pork cabins and it was Ken dressed up as
that's been naughty, so like he was messing the bed up.
And so we have DA's the Dinosaur and he's kind
of our mascot and every now and again we will
get dressed up in it, yeah, and then just flop around.

(52:48):
So yeah, that's kind of the history of Dax the Dinosaur.
Was me going, I think the staff need chum up.
I'm just going to order an inflatable dinosaur suit. That's
the history of that. Actually, once I was working somewhere
and decided that I was going to wear I had
ordered a silk Indian wedding dress. But it was massive, right,
it was like a it was a prop. It wasn't

(53:11):
it like a sorry, it was a it was a
ween dressed and I just sat in it all day
in a care home. Now I didn't know that day
that the care inspect it were going to I went, hello,
I'm Queen Louise and I was going to be a
queen for the day. So I think sometimes it's about
bringing that sense of joy and fun. And we've talked
about before about having a you know, kind of a

(53:31):
box of tricks for a toy box, and I'm really
kind of really tapping into that. And I know it's
not I know it's not easy for everybody, but I
do remember that. I remember the GP coming that day
and she just went, what are you doing? I went,
I think you find today I'm going to be a queen.
So literally walk around with the crown in the head
and stop. It's just getting tune into your inner child.
I think, yeah, and I think yeah, the Dak thing's

(53:53):
quite funny, and the kids, kids love it. Actually, I
didn't think they were going to like buying it, but
they proper love dak to the dinosaur. So and I
think it's those moments where you try and be vulnerable
so other people, then you allow the people to be vulnerable.
If you're being joy falling, it's not childlike, it's just joyfulness.
I mean, you know you were called out by your

(54:14):
two year old granddaughter, right, just like it's not to
do being childlike at all. I don't think it is.
I think it's just find your inner joy, whatever that
looks like. And if you can get a two year
old that understands that, you know, comprehensively, don't We don't
even have to tell her. She she sees it, she
gets it, she understands it. So if a two year
old can understand it, surely people listening to this, Okay,

(54:36):
I'm going to give it a go. I'm going to
because a two year old told Jill to We're going
to give and give it a go. Because we're never silent.
But what is what we listen to? It's important. So yeah,
the sound of the wind or going outside or you know,
just imagining that will actually help us feel better. But yeah, Yeah,
you got called out with your two year old grand or.
I love it. Oh that's not the first time she's Yeah,

(55:01):
she's been here before.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I think she knows what she's doing and she's a
wise old woman already at the age of two. Maybe
you could send over that dinosaur clip and I'll put
that on the end of this video podcast. If you're
listening on audio, you won't be able to see that,
But pop over to our YouTube channel or collaboration.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
I'll see if I can find it the way the
video is, but i'll see if I can find it.
It's on the main thing, so I might just do
a bit digging because Ken's not here, so but list it.
It made me giggle, and you were giggled.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
The pair of you were in hysterics at the time,
and it just like, how can you not watch that
and laugh?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
It's like that. One of my favorite clips.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Is the very famous lady who brought herself a Chebecca
mask and then she tries it on and she just laughs.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
How can you not laugh with her?

Speaker 1 (55:43):
It was hilarious and I was tears running down my face.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
That's a good minute well spent. I'm going to get
on my work now. I think can and I laugh
a lot relationship. Yeah, and we laugh a lot because
some things are funny and and I think to laugh
is really helpful. And I think this about business, and

(56:06):
I've done really things, you know. I've tried to bring
laughter enjoy into places that I've worked. I've not always succeeded,
for sure, but I've tried because I think it's it's
it makes everybody's day a little bit easier. And yes,
i can be annoying, but I'm okay with that. I'm
absolutely okay with that. We can all be a little
bit annoying. That's listen, Louise.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
If anybody wants to find out more about ab safe,
that's the easiest way to get hold of you.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
You can just email we on Louise at ab safe,
which is a B S A F E dot org
dot UK. That's probably the easiest way Out'm on LinkedIn,
Louise Richardson. You'll find me because we're friends on LinkedIn,
so you'll find me to do Jilly if you already
associated with Jill. Yeah, it's probably the best ways to
email me. And yeah, and I'm quite happy to answer

(56:54):
any more questions. And if you want to get involved.
Off you feel that we can come into your community
and do what we do there, then we're sure. I
mean we can travel, we travel well. I've always said
we travel well. So you find that you've got communities
down there that you want us to do what we do,
then we'll you know, obviously covered the cost of that,
then will happily go and do that.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Awesome And of course if you want to meet her
live on Zoom, you can come to one of our
collaboration global sessions as well. Because Louise, as a member
of Cooblo, is always there. She's one of the team
that helps me put it together as well so that
I don't crack up under the strain and we have
a fun time, and she's very vocal to make sure
that I don't miss anybody out as well. So I'm

(57:33):
always grateful for her help and support and that. And
if it's in time, twenty fifth of March twenty twenty five,
she's one of our guest speakers, so if you've missed
that date, you can catch it on our YouTube channel
because it will be on there as well. But if
it's early enough, just grab a seat at event right
or go to our website Collaboration Global dot org and

(57:53):
you will find how to book a seat on our
online session for the twenty fifth of March twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Thank you so much, Louise.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
What you do is so important and I'm so inspired
by how you treat what you do and also how
compassionate and how you live your values of be kind
and pride and how you help so many people. Thank
you for giving us an hour of your time and
I really appreciate that. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Thanks Jill, It's a pleasure. Sea zi Ya