May 30, 2025 • 53 mins
Description: Peter Hawkins has a curious mind. In this conversation he reveals how a lifetime of pursuing his curiosity has led him to a lucrative career in some of the biggest organisations in the world, and set him on a personal journey of discovery that could impact everyone on our planet.
He has brought together his lifetime of learning and has recently published his theory that throws open the door for us to consider that everything we have been taught about our existence, the planet and indeed our universe, is wrong!
Join this conversation as we take a peek between the covers of the book and see how 'Zeron Theory' might just change everything.Book: Zerons The Theory of Nothing - https://amzn.to/3EUnF2d
He has brought together his lifetime of learning and has recently published his theory that throws open the door for us to consider that everything we have been taught about our existence, the planet and indeed our universe, is wrong!
Join this conversation as we take a peek between the covers of the book and see how 'Zeron Theory' might just change everything.Book: Zerons The Theory of Nothing - https://amzn.to/3EUnF2d
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to the Being Human Hidden Depths podcast
by Collaboration Global. And my name is Jill Tiny, the
founder of Coblow and one of our members who's been
with us for just so for a year, I believe,
is the wonderful Peter Hawkins. Welcome, Peter, lovely to have
you on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Thank you, Thank you, Jill, and thank you for that introduction.
Really good. If I have that in writing, that would
be wonderful.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Absolutely, your wish is my command, Peter. This has been
a long time coming this podcast, isn't it? And the
best problem in the world to have is we have
too much information to talk about. So the guys that
are listening now we talk about people being extraordinary and
that we're all geniuses Genie I, however you want to
(00:50):
is and we often think, oh, I'm just an ordinary person,
but actually everybody has got that something special in them.
But you actually do have that something special in you
from the point of view that you have researched and
created and built a theory that we're going to talk
about later in a little while. But before we do that,
(01:14):
let's just find out Peter the man. All right, Firstly,
what made you join collaboration global what's about the thing
about collaboration that kind of lights your fire? And then
tell us a little bit about family. Do you have pets?
What do you do for from those kind of things?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, well, certainly collaboration. It started off with quite a
long time ago me speaking to you that's doing a
bit of work. You've given me really good advice and
obviously it's seemed the obvious way to go for me
(01:53):
from the point of view that I've written the book,
and the book is really it's a it's a lifetime
it's the lifetime work. It's more seriously, in the last
thirty forty years, I've done sections of it, put to
the sections of it, made notes. But really it came
(02:16):
from really a childhood experience of seeing the universe for
the first time. Yeah, and I was partial as a
kid outside a pub in darkest Kent and with a
glass of shandy and just happened to look up and say,
how did that get there? Wow? I've never seen that before.
(02:38):
And because I lived in the East end of London,
and and so my when I when I thought, where
where did that come from? And then thought, oh, must
have been God? And then I thought mm hmm, what
about God? Where did what came before God? Which was
a bit It sounds a bit it you're religious, but
(03:02):
I was just interested to know all about time and
space and how did it all get there, And certainly
in the book I do provide an answer to that,
which may sound very presumptuous, but I think that a
lot of the time we've got an issue with time
(03:26):
mm hmmm, because we see ourselves, you know, we're born,
we grow up, we have a life, and then we
go off. And I think that in the book I'm
able to give some insights into what came before and
what came before that, because I do believe that we've
(03:50):
got time wrong and that and all over the place
people say talk about the beginning of time on the
end of time, and that's where the first what I
think is a misunderstanding comes across. So for me, in
(04:12):
the beginning, there was no beginning. In the end, again,
there's no end, So it's it's a question of continuous existence.
So I laughed at it as a physicist who answered
tried to answer what happened before big Bank? Well, what
(04:37):
happened that big bank is how big bang happened? On
a day before there was a yesterday. Mm hmmm. That's interesting.
Not very good logic, but certainly the getting it into
our heads that time is well, existence has always been
(04:57):
here and will always be here.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
M hmm.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Is I think the big thing that I came up with.
And it's all in the book.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So well. I love reading the books. Still haven't got
quite to the end yet, but that's another conversation. When
I do get to the end, we'll come back again
and carry on with part two. But one of the
things I like is.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That you.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Challenge the status quo, You challenge what we've all accepted.
Like at some point somebody challenged that the world is
not flat, therefore it must be round and therefore therefore
therefore therefore, and I think over the years from Galileo onwards,
we have built on previous yes, And it's like leaning
(05:40):
your ladder up against the wrong wall. You can still
go up that ladder, but you're not going up to
get to the right spot that you need to to
shine that light down on everything that is going on.
So you just what if, what if?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
What if? That's it's interesting in the book. I actually
chatter two people to yeh, look at look at how
if you leave behind be brave enough to leave behind
your current understandings, your sceptions and jump over the edge. Yeah,
(06:15):
and what's interesting about it is we all think, well,
we know, we know where we are, we know how
we are. But one of the examples, aren't we all say, oh,
the sun's coming up at five o'clock this morning, and
of course it's not. It's the world turning around. There's
but there's a lot that's a simple try it example,
(06:38):
but there's a lot of that goes on all over
the place, even in science. In there's a lot of assumptions.
And as we grow up we learn from our family,
our friends, you know podcasts like this where we're told
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this is that, and that's this, and you know. And
on the back cover of the book, the guy that
helped me put it all together as a as a
type set typeset piece, he bet on the back what
you know, maybe rangish mm hmm. I think that that's so.
(07:19):
I left it on there because I think we were,
Because I think there is some I suppose what I
think is wrong logic, like the day beginning, like the
universe beginning, the Big Bank on the day when there
wasn't a yesterday. There's a few nonsurgical things like that
(07:42):
that is sort of often deep within people's psyches and experiences,
and so jumping over the edge is is what I
what I like to do. I have a special way
of thinking, well special to me anyway. I don't know
(08:02):
whether anyone else does it. But one of the things
when I'm thinking about whatever is it's very easy to
sort of have a thought in your head, even idea,
and say, oh, yeah, that's good, that's that's good. But
what I what I just is is I call it
island hopping. So basically, when you when you sit down
(08:26):
to think about something, think about your first idea, but
don't look back and try and integrate and what you
know already jump to the next island and then jump
to the nex sigland after that. Then once you once
you've run out of islands the junty, then turn around
and then integrate it back to where where you are
(08:48):
on that island and the and the thinking you just add,
and back to the coastline. And it may be a
different route back to that coast coastline. So it's it's
a way of I suppose trying to use your imagination
and then challenge your imagination and then take another leap forward,
(09:11):
and it's quite surprising what happens. And every time you
leap forward, you're not reliant on your history or your
experience or your knowledge. It's quite interesting if you do that.
And maybe I should patent it and write it up
(09:32):
as a separate book.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But there's more than one in you. I know that
for sure. I mean, it's interesting, isn't it that there
are so many things that we know, and there are
so many things we don't know, and we know the
things some of the things we don't know, but we
don't know the things that we don't know we don't know.
So having that kind of open curiosity to take that
(09:56):
leap off of that spot and move on to the
next one, standing how to clear your mind of like, well, yeah,
I know I've been taught this, but we're not sure.
Imagine if it's not right, Imagine if there's another way
of doing it. And that's what you've to do is
wipe your mind clean and go right, let's start from
a clean page. What could have been? And yes, it
(10:16):
could have been aliens that came along, We could have
been this, It could have been that, you know, and
we all have these Some people have these amazing theories,
and some people like myself, just go, oh, this is
how it is, and except for what it is. But
you've opened my mind to not just this possibility, but
there's probably many, many more possibilities along the way. But
for the moment, as a theory, your one's making a
(10:38):
lot of sense. Who knows what that is going to
mean going forward, But let's put put a pin in
that thought for a moment and go back to that
young boy with his shandy. Yeah, that's at the stars.
I imagine seeing stars. I remember that for me the
(11:01):
first time looking up at stars without all light pollution,
because I'm an Eastern girl as well, and like, just
who there so many more stars here. It's like I
see sugar or sugar all over the place. That was
your stepping off point from that realization and that curiosity.
Did you go back to education and look up Galileo
(11:24):
and all the greats the past theorists, or did you
just start from that blank page or were you like
just curious and kept it bubbling in the background until
you were ready.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, what happened was that happened to me when I
was ten, and obviously the next year I went to
secondary school studied general science, physics, obviously, chemistry, et cetera.
And so I learned the traditional thinking on that with
(12:03):
my own thinking in the background about nothing. I started
to think about how could I everything started from nothing?
And so I didn't at that time. In secondary school, Yeah,
I did read a lot about Galileo, and I was
(12:25):
very keen on science. Science was my main subject area,
and I sort of soaked a lot of it up
like a sponge. And and so I had my own
background knowledge.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well you a bit of a pain to the teachers
by keep going, but why do they do that? And
why do they do that? And what's that all about.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I was a bit of a nerd. I knew a lot,
shall we say, about science, and especially in chemistry, so
I knew the uh at that time. I knew all
the elements and what what what what the what the
signs were and to believe their wait and all the
(13:10):
rest of it. So the science teacher sometimes used to say, Hawkins,
is that right? I say, yes, sir, not quite. So
I was very I was very delicate. Not quite so
it's it's this and so yeah, so from that point
of view. Yeah, but I'm lucky because I didn't upset
(13:34):
the people in the class. Yeah, of course they kept
viding me in this former captain for five years. So
that's mainly because I think because I'm fair minded. And
in those days, what happened was that we used to
(13:54):
stay in the classroom, the whole class. The teachers used
to come to us, and it was an all boys school.
I used to have to keep the peace classroom in
between teachers, not by not by shouting at people, but
by just I suppose leading them and leading them to
(14:16):
a certain extent and now and again leaving their names
up on the blackboard without sort of being worried about
any retributions. So that's sort of way I am. I
tend to I hate bullying, didn't allow bullying, and I
(14:39):
like to be fair. I'm a fair minded person and
that's come ready all the way through my life in
business and in personal life, and in terms of wherever
I see bullying, I'm afraid I have to get involved.
So it does involve me in some you know, confidence sometimes.
(15:01):
But yeah, So so basically what happened was I like
its all, I had all this role in the back
of my mind or everything I'd learned at that time,
you know, at school, and then my own thoughts began
(15:23):
to I began to put them together, and so for
some decades I had to focus on making a living.
And so my main thing has been funny enough, looking
at complex situations, programs and projects.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's interesting because I was going to say, did your
career lead you into sciences or did it take you
in a different route.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
No, it took me a different well. In fact, I
when I was a young guy, I taught myself out
a program and then became a self were designer, an
independent software designer. Yeah, and so I would look at
financial programs that needed to be written, a Qluity trading
(16:14):
program I've written, and that sort of thing, but also
everything else, you know, scaffolding, ferry boat systems, Yeah, all
sorts across the piece. And so I found that exciting
because I could use my imagination, I think through if
(16:35):
you like, the ins and outs, impacts complexities, and build
that in. So I've got a reputation as a fairly
decent software designer. And then I got picked on because
I could also manage everything to the time, So I
(16:56):
got a title of project manager, and I thought, that's
not a bad manager, it's got manager on it. And
so I got into project management, program management and also
got accidentally incidentally hiked out of the financial sector to
(17:18):
a great extent into the power industry. So I was
just I was walking minde of my own business, walking
through Glasgow Airport and one of my colleagues said, you
need to go and sort out the program is going wrong.
So I said, what in the head office? You know,
(17:38):
gath can't I said, no, the power station. But I
don't know anything about that. I'm not an engineer. It
was quite interesting because I went over there and stood
back and looked at what was going on and and
so that was the beginning of me, I suppose building
(18:00):
a sort of engineering reputation as well, or engineering program reputation,
which still comes back now. People still phone me up
and say can you come and look at this program
or that program, and quite often it's an engineering one.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So what I see running through a thread in your
life from the age of ten, possibly earlier along the way,
is that is that magic word imagination that is being
squashed out of an awful lot of children these days.
Time they don't have time to be imaginative and creative.
And then you've got the arts where you can be
imaginative and creative, but there's no money for the arts anymore,
(18:40):
so those programs are lost in the education system. But
everything that you've done, although you might look at it
and go scientific technical engineering, actually the thread that's coming
all the way through, and the reason that you've written
the book is because your imagination has been firing on
all cylinders at different levels. From the one to one
(19:01):
was like, Oh, I quite like doing this. I might
do more of this to the global What if it
isn't like that? What would happen if it wasn't like that?
So can you imagine? Imagine? Can you imagine talking about
to an imaginative person when you were like six or
seven and you were out playing, what sort of could
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your parents see this imagination in you?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Then?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
What sort of what were your happy experiences of hanging
out and playing and having nice days with your family
when you were like six years old? Was it something
where you were constantly How does this work? Why does
this work?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well? I was lucky because I had two uncles, one
living next door. One I could open the window and
live in the next street, Lovely. I could talk to
my cousins, but my uncles were a sort of mad inventors. Wow.
My youngle Will was an engineer, a motor engineer, and
(20:02):
so I used to get scraps of metal and make
wonderful machines. He actually made a fruit machine, a working
fruit machine, yeah, out of a big biscuits in and
it did actually work. And they were always coming up
with different things, and I mentioned them in the end
(20:24):
of the book that one of the inventions they came up.
They're always saying, what about this, what about that? And
so they were imagine it as well. And one of
the inventions they come up with was holes in the
road that you could order a hole, you know, and
(20:45):
it gets delivered and then you put it on the
road and it then goes down and save you did
the digging the whole yourself. So it was actually quite interesting.
It was actually I thought blood he mad man. But
they but they then said, and we could sell it
(21:06):
as concentric holes, so you can pack it easily because
you've got these smaller ones inside the big one. So
I okay, okay, but it was it was so it
was quite no imagination space. But then wow. Yeah. And
so my first introduction to the idea of black holes,
I guess, but I didn't realize it at the time.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yes, yeah, And once you discover these things, it's just
on going. So who do you admire in that world
that you would go, oh, he's got it right, or
he's on the right track, or or is there anyone
in in that science community that you're following or not?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Well, well, what happened to me was when I say,
I learned a lot of crowded insights, so a lot
of a lot of information. Then I then I then
came into my pro gramming and project management days program management.
And then about now three years ago, I started putting
(22:09):
the book together. Seriously, my daughter's aladi, you just to
ask me to explain something. I'd waved my hands around
a bit, and she said, I can't understand it. Now,
can you write down those what those hand movements meant?
In English? I go, okay, thanks. So, and I came
to a point where I was happy with the book.
(22:32):
I'd got everything sort of more or less more or
less finished except for the final editing, and so I
suddenly thought, God, I better go and check it out. Okay,
it's modern thinking and modern science. So yeah, I did
then go and I did a lot of intensive research
and studying, reading and people like Fineman and Explank and Einstein,
(23:00):
et cetera, m and just a load of other people.
But certainly Max Plank stayed with me for a long time,
and he's on the cover of the book. He's quote
he said that I believe in I believe in consciousness
as a given, and I believe that all matter comes
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from consciousness. Mm hmmm. So that's Max Plank, who's one
of the key founders of quantum physics, and certainly also
Einstein in so far as he said that you believed
that the eventual answer to everything would be very simple,
and so my theory is essentially simple. But I really,
(23:54):
I really took great great ah. I suppose they gave
me impetus re reading what they really thought. And I
got to admit, I put my hands up to not
being brilliant at maths, so I couldn't query any of
(24:14):
the any of the mathematics. But I did I did
get a lot out of reading conversations, conversations that different
scientists were having about things that I didn't quite understand.
So That was great because I found that what I
(24:37):
had written in the book, I answered a lot of
the questions, including what came before Big Bang, but also
deeper questions really about how how everything might work. So
so I deliberately stayed away over those decades from look
(24:58):
at any science books, anything that was going on, because
I didn't want to coming back to my I trying
to keep my mind clear. A backlog of information, it's
easy to fall went into a whole and go or
I find out more about that, and I found out
(25:19):
more about this.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It's so much out there, isn't there out there?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, And so I wanted I wanted to slay pure Jill,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Perfect. So now it's the book's written and the slate's
been filled up with your words and your theories. Are
you going to go to someone like Professor Brian Cox
or someone to go what do you think about this then?
And just see what their thoughts are around it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah. I've been been a member of the scientific and
medical community, and so I sent it off to about
thirty scientists in that community, and I've just sent it
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off and asking for their review on it, which is
quite brave really, because I think that certainly friends that
have got a pretty good idea about science. You know,
I've come back and went, well, yeah, I get it,
and I think it's a good a good theory, but
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it can only ever be a theory obviously, but certainly
it's been very been very encouraged.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Well, it would be interesting if some of these guys
are bothering to read the book, which would be great
in the first place, they don't want to be that
arrogant that they can't consider something new, but also that
they might have theories that they've been working on that actually,
all of a sudden, is another Your book is another
piece of the jigsaw for what they're doing. And we
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seem to have paused for second.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Hold on, Joe, maybe the universe doesn't want me to speak.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You just lost Peter for a moment, and now he's
going to carry on. I think good technology was wonderful
when it works, isn't it? Sorry if Peter got interrupted.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It is no, it's it's good anyway. I mustn't it
that at the moment I've people that I've been speaking
to have have well, I actually wrote it without any
any formula, without any technical took. Mm hmm. You've made
(27:36):
it except the chapter nine because I wanted wanted to
get it out to people like you, actually, Jill, you
know what I call the intelligently curious. So because I
think it's I'm very I had some exciting conversations about
(28:00):
people that have read it and you know, asked what
about this and what about that? And I've been able
to gently take them through existing thinking and then related
back to the Zeron theory and explained that it's that's
how I think it works. Also when I was looking
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at really what well. One of the problems is that
the thinking of thinking of quantum quantum physicists has never
quite been fully integrated with the theory of relativity Einstein
(28:44):
and so one of the debates that I listened to
was Einstein talking and another scientist about had it all work?
The British discussion ninet thirty five, and they decided they
couldn't think of are it all joined up? And I said,
imagine a piece of baber in the middle, and that's
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how it's done. And it's quite interesting because there's still differences,
big differences. Einstein didn't believe that gravity was a separate
entity that you could manipulate. You believe that it was
something else. So certainly in my book I do explain
(29:30):
and you mentioned I do explain another way to think
about gravity, and so I'm okay there. I think Einstein
will be I suppose happy wherever it is about that.
But I think that also in terms of quantum physics,
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there's a lot of great stuff that's gone on and things,
but there's some of things as well. I'm probably gonna
upset people now, but there's you know, there's everyone gets
very excited about wormholes and traveling in time, et cetera.
(30:14):
So I explain my take on that, and certainly there's
a number of other things that have only been pursued
because you can you can go up to the fourteenth
dimension fifteenth dimension in maths, but not in reality. So
(30:35):
I think a lot of mathematicians have been led down
a rabbit hole by being able to an event whatever
they want to invent, and but it doesn't it's not
very good for explaining what's really going on. And certainly
I explain my take on black holes and matter in
(31:02):
the book. And there's a lot of a lot of
unknowns in the world of science. I put some of
them in the back of the book on chapter nine
and show that Zero's answers all of those things. But
I didn't. I didn't engineer the book to fit the
(31:25):
defit the unknowns. I just wrote the book and say
just independently from my own thoughts, and then started to
check it out check it out for a couple of years.
So interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
What would you like to happen as a result of
your book now being out in the world. What do
you see happening.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I'd like to I'd like to make people think and
evaluate their own existence. Really mm hmm. Certainly if you
think about what I said about in the beginning there
was no beginning and the end is no end, and
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then linked it up with Max Plaink saying I believe
in consciousness and that all all matter comes from consciousness,
and I believe that we're all in if you like
two parts. We've got a physical part that comes and goes,
(32:27):
but I think our consciousness actually is there. Brother. So
it's interesting because certainly the book is a great book.
I'm not religious, but the book will support people that
believe in God because my original ten year old question
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about what came before God doesn't need to be answered. No,
what what came before. Question needs to be answered, and
I think that there's I think there's answers in there
which I think could give people comfort about their own lives,
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because when you think about it, we're born and after
a while we suddenly realized, obviously we gradually realized that
we're going to die. So I think all of us
going ahead a thought in the past, what's going to
happen to us? You know, do we just does the
light just go out? You know? Is that the end
(33:32):
of us? That we carry on? And nobody knows? Ably,
I see that there is a possibility of how that
could happen.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean, if you consider there are so many religions
in the world, and the majority of them have a
very very similar narrative. Yes, and many of them are
thousands of years old. Where has that stuff? Where was
that seed planted? It's strange that one is over in Asia,
you know, different parts of the world have all got
(34:04):
a very similar narrative. Sadly humans kind of muck it
up by going to the new do But we don't
really do we We're all just out there trying to
find the best way through. But what you're saying, this
ongoing consciousness before and after. I mean in the Bible
it says in the beginning was the Word, and the
word was with God, and the word was God.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yes, a circular argan.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, exactly exactly. So it's interesting that when you then
take a theory that's different to the norm and then
map it against what's gone on, you can then actually
justify it and see where oh that makes sense. Oh
that's interesting. Oh me, yes, because of that, and it
just has that more validity. So what I would love
(34:50):
to see is the big boys of the science world,
the current Einstein's that we have that we look up
to or we listen to to them take it on
board and go what if this was, and then what
would it be? And then to kind of unpick it
from your point of view because you're sitting there and
you've gone, this is what I believe, this is when
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my imagination has taken me. And then they can add
something you go, I hadn't thought about that because you
don't know what you don't know. You don't know because
it hasn't come in front of you yet. So hopefully
you'll be able to do the Part two, Part three,
Part four of this book, when more and more people
get it. More and more people put their two pennethin
and you can think about it and go, actually that
(35:32):
fits perfectly because of this, this and this, and then
you can do the next version.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, my imagination is open open for business there. It's
quite interesting about three years ago, two and a half
years ago, a lot of the top physicistssts. It was
a program about them. It was about ten of them
at the end that students ask them what is time?
(36:01):
And each one of them sort of said in the end,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
They gave series, but they didn't actually believe any of them.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, they all came down to the fact that they
didn't know, which is quite interesting. So I deal with
time in the book in a different way. I think
that's one big thing. The other thing you say about people.
Certainly Brian Cox, I just saw the end of one
of these programs where he's walking in pitch darkness, well
(36:36):
apart for me light to shine on it, and he said,
this is probably how the how, the how the universe
is going to end, and it was blackness with no
stars and he said, and it would just be empty.
And I disagree with him.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Oh, I was going to say that's a bit depressing
when you hear that, isn't it. It's like, oh, come.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
On, well, we're in the book. Yeah. No, No, it's
quite interesting because it's very hard. Like the professors were
asked what is time? But if we asked ourselves what
is space? You go, well, it's out loud, it's outside,
(37:18):
but what is it? What is it? And so I
explained what he is in the book and also explain
about big Bang and big crunch, which is what he
was talking about. So the universe is born, it exists,
and then it fades away possibly probably, And the thing
(37:45):
that I believe is is no such thing as empty space.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Mhm.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
So that's an interesting one. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And I think it's it's if consciousness is able to
manifest things. I mean, this is interesting because since the pandemic,
more so than before, I think people are recognizing, acknowledging, intuition,
the law of attraction, all of these whatever name you
put out there. It's the fact that our hearts and
(38:19):
minds and souls are all connected. And you know when
the phone rings and you were just thinking of that person,
and it's like, oh, is that what coincidence?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I've got a couple of examples in that blister. We're
all linked together. We're all linked together with everything, the
animals only, or consciousness everything. But certainly I've put a
couple of examples in the book. You probably haven't gone
up to that chatter yet, but it's where I sat
(38:50):
one day thinking about someone I hadn't seen for ten years,
and someone I hadn't seen for about five years. What's
going on with it? So the same day the person
that I had met for ten years, I got a call.
I've got a mobile call, probably you referred to it
earlier on Yeah, And he said, oh, I didn't call you.
(39:15):
It's nice to hear from you. So I said, oh,
must have been. Must have been a bum call you,
And it must have been. We must talk some more,
you know, soon. And the next morning I got a
call from the goddens in five years and again he said, oh,
I didn't call it. Oh, I can only work out
(39:37):
that my consciousness I was able to sort of persuade
their mobile phones to give me a ring. So careful
what you.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Think about, yeah, for sure. So how do you feel
about the afterlife from the point of view of getting
in touch with you and supporting you and helping you.
If this is ongoing.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I have no idea, really, I think that's something. I
believe that. One of the things I believe is that
when we die, time stops for us, hm, well, physical
time stops, and we're then into the infinity of of
(40:25):
the whole universe, and so we don't realize about time.
And so I suspect that when we when we drop
our physical time, because we will live by the clock days, clocks.
But I think that we were then I think a
(40:46):
lot of people will just go and be amazed. I think,
hopefully amazed, and join up. The other conscious consciousness is
another one half unders say, and basically and twelve years
auld go by in what seems like it's waste of time.
(41:11):
So I think that I hope, you know, I hope
that I get to connect to my lovely wife Susie. Again,
I haven't figured out how to do that if that's
what you're asking, but if I do, I'll let you know.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. I had an experience that
I haven't shared with too many people, but my dad
helped me in my belief that my dad helped me.
After he passed away in two thousand and seven. And
this was about nine months later, and I was driving
along in the snow on my way to business meeting
(41:50):
one evening, about seven o'clock in the evening, in the dark,
and the snow was coming down, and it had been
coming down for quite some time, so the roads were
a little bit tricky. And as I was driving down
the A four one four you know it, well, yes,
in Essex, there was small road. I'm thinking, I should
really go back. I shouldn't really be driving in this weather.
(42:12):
It's awful. I should go back. But I promised that
I was going to go to this event in Chelmsford.
And then all of a sudden I could smell my
dad's cigarette smoke, because he was a Golden Virginia man,
and it's quite a think smell so much, and I'm like, well,
hang on, it's winter, there's no field burning out there.
Where the hell is this smell coming from. But also
(42:34):
I felt that he was sat behind me in the
middle of the seat in the car, so I looked
in the mirror expecting to see his face because that
smell was so strong, and I couldn't see him. So
I looked that way and I still couldn't see him.
I couldn't see behind me, so I just slowed right
down and practically came to a stop, but not quiet.
And I just looked and he wasn't there. And I
(42:54):
was so disappointed, so gutted that he wasn't there. I said, oh, well, Dad,
thanks were popping in. Nice to see you. The smell
was still there. It's very very strong. Put the car
into first, pulled off again, and I was doing about
five ten miles an hours. I was getting up to
speed for like twenty miles an hour for the conditions.
The car was coming in the opposite direction, going quite fast,
(43:18):
indicating to turn left for him, right for me. So
he shouldn't have touched me. It shouldn't have been anywhere
near me. He should have just gone off there. But
as he came up to me indicating to do left,
he swerved right in front of me. I had to
slam on my brakes. I came to a halt, missed
him by that much, and he went off down that
lane and went. The smell came even more, and then
(43:41):
it was gone.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
I do believe. My own belief is that I say
we're all connected. I think where people are very very
strongly connected. Then I think that, and I think that
it could be of communication. Certainly happened to my wife, Susie. Yeah,
and she's actually see her grandma, and her grandma wanted
(44:06):
to do something and didn't tell her what it was.
Susie surmised right when I did it. And so I
think Susie is very in touch. Shall we say, she's
not a media or anything like that, She's just very
in touch with people. Her whole life has been talking
(44:27):
to people, advising people, helping people, and so she's very empathetic.
So I think that. So I do believe that makes
me think even more that we do. And also, as
I make it laugh, whenever I've been doing woodwork and
(44:49):
I'm tempted to, I've made a mistake and I'm tempted to,
you know, just do a bad job. Susie's dad, I'm
sort of in my head goes, you don't do that, probably, mate,
So I have to stop messing around and throw it
better away it properly. So I do think that there
(45:13):
are connections.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Absolutely. Their essence lives on for sure. And also you
can see it in your grandchildren as well, can't you that? Yeah,
that entity, that personality that character is never going to
disappear as part of who they were.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And that's right. It's one of those things that we're
going we accept as a norm that growing up, Yeah,
we're like this person that person. I love other people
and we grow up, well, not all of us, but
the lucky ones with a rapport with parents obviously, sisters
(45:57):
and brothers and the cousins and friends. And I think
that there's all the time there's communication going on, that's
not that's just us being with each other. So I
think our conscious consciousnessness is consciousness. I always had trouble
(46:18):
spelling that as well. In the book, they got more
complicated with subconsciousnesses. But basically, so I think there's a
lot that you're talking about intuition, you know, in coming
up more in the in the when when we're all
alone in the twenty nineteen, and basically it's I think
(46:45):
that people did have more time to think and feel.
So it's the it's the and I think that there
there has been. I think a lot of people have,
but their own conscious consciousness is their own awareness and
(47:07):
as you say, their only intuition, Yeah, it's really at
the moment. Wild animals have intuition, they know where the
storms come, for example. Yes, and I think that a
lot more people, certainly a lot of people I meet,
I I don't know, I feel a connection other than
(47:31):
just saying alone talking and I think, yeah, and a
lot of people I can just sit with, especially when
my Susan, you know, we just sit together and you know,
I know that we're communicating so without without speaking.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, with my husband, it's interested, isn't it. But it's
a blessing and we have we have to never take
that for granted because and there are some people. I
met one guy and the minute we saw each other,
it was introduced through a friend. And the minute we
saw each other, so we've met before, haven't we? And
I'm like, yeah, we have. Where was it? I don't know.
(48:09):
I can't think. We spent all evening going through how
we must have known each other, and then the following
time we went out, about six weeks later, we were like,
I've been thinking about driving me crazy. I know that
I know you spent another evening going through everything right
from the age of four all the way through. We
still couldn't. I don't think we have met each other
(48:30):
in this lifetime. But I certainly think we've met each
other in one lifetime.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yes, it was just.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
So strong that both of us said it before the
other one wasn't Like. I convinced him like, I'm sure
we've met and he was like, no, maybe both of
us at the same time. When we know each other,
don't we? Where do we know each other from? It
was very bizarre, but just eating at the same time. Listen,
I'm looking at the clock, and I realized that we
have scratched the surface only of the beautiful Xeron's book
(48:57):
The Theory of Nothing. It's not about nothing, it's about
fascinating objects. So we are going to have to do
a part two on this, Peter, at some point in
the future. Now, if somebody wants to talk to you
about Zerons, how's the easiest way of them to get
in touch with you about it?
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Well, I've got to be careful here because, in fact,
really at the end of the book, I've got a
uh we sorry, an email address which is Q and
A at xerons dot com. And so what I'll do,
(49:36):
what I'm planning to do is click together common questions,
you know, and give a common answer. But what I'll
do is if people have got a particularly difficult or
interesting question, then I'll arrange to speak with them to
(49:56):
give them some idea. So that's already happened actually with
a couple of people who've read the book, and they
answer really good questions, and I was able to sort
of sit down and very gently really take them through
their thinking, listen to them, and then say, well, okay,
(50:21):
I think I said before I translate that into zerons.
Why it's not a language, but.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
I don't know why it sounds that money in some way.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I hope it does turn into money. But basically that'd
be useful. Then I can spend all my time, you know,
doing zeros too. Basically, it's so I give them their
perspective by referring them to the book and saying, do
you remember that bit I said about this, this and this, Yeah,
(50:56):
well if you think about that, essentially answer your question
in the context of the whole book.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Fascinating. So not only do you get to read the
book if you've read it, and we'll put the link
to how you can order the book on the show notes,
but you can actually talk to the author as well.
And sentience a Q and a email a Q and
a zero zerons dot com. But we'll put all these
details in. But also Peter is one of the members
of Collaboration Globe as you know, so if you wanted
(51:26):
to come along to one of our sessions, there's a
possibility he will be there as well, and connect up
with him on zoom one of our sessions and you
can find them on event right, or you can go
to collaboration blob dot org, which is the website, and
you can book onto one of our sessions there.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I got to say, it's wonderful what you've done, and
you're one of the nicest, hardest working people I know
and very clever, very clever person. This is why I've
got to say thank you ever so much for helping
me with this podcast and of reading the book. Happy
(52:03):
to talk to you about any questions she might have.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Oh I will, I will, absolutely. It just fascinates me
and I'm thrilled that you're part of the community because
there are other people in the community that are going
to absolutely adore talking to you about this as well.
But you know, you say, I'm very clever, and there
is a reason for that. As I grew up my dad,
mister tiny Lynn Tiny was one of eleven children. I
(52:29):
always forget twelve or eleven, and they all used to say,
all the tinyes are clever. Okay, so I had a
lot to live up to. So yeah, encouragement, encouragement, Yeah, exactly.
It was a fatal complete. We didn't have a choice
in her house. Yes, all the times are clever, my
mum used to say sarcastically because obviously she wasn't technically
(52:52):
a tiny until she got married. But just to buy
the buye. So thank you again so much. We will
do part two very soon, hopefully lot so people will
be in touch with you of this conversation because it's
just one of those topics that it's like it's something new,
brand new that we can discover and find out for ourselves,
and this is yeah, awesome. Thank you again, Peter, We'll
(53:13):
see you.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Thanks fantastic, thank you. Thanks. I
Hello, and welcome to the Being Human Hidden Depths podcast
by Collaboration Global. And my name is Jill Tiny, the
founder of Coblow and one of our members who's been
with us for just so for a year, I believe,
is the wonderful Peter Hawkins. Welcome, Peter, lovely to have
you on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Thank you, Thank you, Jill, and thank you for that introduction.
Really good. If I have that in writing, that would
be wonderful.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Absolutely, your wish is my command, Peter. This has been
a long time coming this podcast, isn't it? And the
best problem in the world to have is we have
too much information to talk about. So the guys that
are listening now we talk about people being extraordinary and
that we're all geniuses Genie I, however you want to
(00:50):
is and we often think, oh, I'm just an ordinary person,
but actually everybody has got that something special in them.
But you actually do have that something special in you
from the point of view that you have researched and
created and built a theory that we're going to talk
about later in a little while. But before we do that,
(01:14):
let's just find out Peter the man. All right, Firstly,
what made you join collaboration global what's about the thing
about collaboration that kind of lights your fire? And then
tell us a little bit about family. Do you have pets?
What do you do for from those kind of things?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, well, certainly collaboration. It started off with quite a
long time ago me speaking to you that's doing a
bit of work. You've given me really good advice and
obviously it's seemed the obvious way to go for me
(01:53):
from the point of view that I've written the book,
and the book is really it's a it's a lifetime
it's the lifetime work. It's more seriously, in the last
thirty forty years, I've done sections of it, put to
the sections of it, made notes. But really it came
(02:16):
from really a childhood experience of seeing the universe for
the first time. Yeah, and I was partial as a
kid outside a pub in darkest Kent and with a
glass of shandy and just happened to look up and say,
how did that get there? Wow? I've never seen that before.
(02:38):
And because I lived in the East end of London,
and and so my when I when I thought, where
where did that come from? And then thought, oh, must
have been God? And then I thought mm hmm, what
about God? Where did what came before God? Which was
a bit It sounds a bit it you're religious, but
(03:02):
I was just interested to know all about time and
space and how did it all get there, And certainly
in the book I do provide an answer to that,
which may sound very presumptuous, but I think that a
lot of the time we've got an issue with time
(03:26):
mm hmmm, because we see ourselves, you know, we're born,
we grow up, we have a life, and then we
go off. And I think that in the book I'm
able to give some insights into what came before and
what came before that, because I do believe that we've
(03:50):
got time wrong and that and all over the place
people say talk about the beginning of time on the
end of time, and that's where the first what I
think is a misunderstanding comes across. So for me, in
(04:12):
the beginning, there was no beginning. In the end, again,
there's no end, So it's it's a question of continuous existence.
So I laughed at it as a physicist who answered
tried to answer what happened before big Bank? Well, what
(04:37):
happened that big bank is how big bang happened? On
a day before there was a yesterday. Mm hmmm. That's interesting.
Not very good logic, but certainly the getting it into
our heads that time is well, existence has always been
(04:57):
here and will always be here.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
M hmm.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Is I think the big thing that I came up with.
And it's all in the book.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So well. I love reading the books. Still haven't got
quite to the end yet, but that's another conversation. When
I do get to the end, we'll come back again
and carry on with part two. But one of the
things I like is.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That you.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Challenge the status quo, You challenge what we've all accepted.
Like at some point somebody challenged that the world is
not flat, therefore it must be round and therefore therefore
therefore therefore, and I think over the years from Galileo onwards,
we have built on previous yes, And it's like leaning
(05:40):
your ladder up against the wrong wall. You can still
go up that ladder, but you're not going up to
get to the right spot that you need to to
shine that light down on everything that is going on.
So you just what if, what if?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
What if? That's it's interesting in the book. I actually
chatter two people to yeh, look at look at how
if you leave behind be brave enough to leave behind
your current understandings, your sceptions and jump over the edge. Yeah,
(06:15):
and what's interesting about it is we all think, well,
we know, we know where we are, we know how
we are. But one of the examples, aren't we all say, oh,
the sun's coming up at five o'clock this morning, and
of course it's not. It's the world turning around. There's
but there's a lot that's a simple try it example,
(06:38):
but there's a lot of that goes on all over
the place, even in science. In there's a lot of assumptions.
And as we grow up we learn from our family,
our friends, you know podcasts like this where we're told
(06:58):
this is that, and that's this, and you know. And
on the back cover of the book, the guy that
helped me put it all together as a as a
type set typeset piece, he bet on the back what
you know, maybe rangish mm hmm. I think that that's so.
(07:19):
I left it on there because I think we were,
Because I think there is some I suppose what I
think is wrong logic, like the day beginning, like the
universe beginning, the Big Bank on the day when there
wasn't a yesterday. There's a few nonsurgical things like that
(07:42):
that is sort of often deep within people's psyches and experiences,
and so jumping over the edge is is what I
what I like to do. I have a special way
of thinking, well special to me anyway. I don't know
(08:02):
whether anyone else does it. But one of the things
when I'm thinking about whatever is it's very easy to
sort of have a thought in your head, even idea,
and say, oh, yeah, that's good, that's that's good. But
what I what I just is is I call it
island hopping. So basically, when you when you sit down
(08:26):
to think about something, think about your first idea, but
don't look back and try and integrate and what you
know already jump to the next island and then jump
to the nex sigland after that. Then once you once
you've run out of islands the junty, then turn around
and then integrate it back to where where you are
(08:48):
on that island and the and the thinking you just add,
and back to the coastline. And it may be a
different route back to that coast coastline. So it's it's
a way of I suppose trying to use your imagination
and then challenge your imagination and then take another leap forward,
(09:11):
and it's quite surprising what happens. And every time you
leap forward, you're not reliant on your history or your
experience or your knowledge. It's quite interesting if you do that.
And maybe I should patent it and write it up
(09:32):
as a separate book.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But there's more than one in you. I know that
for sure. I mean, it's interesting, isn't it that there
are so many things that we know, and there are
so many things we don't know, and we know the
things some of the things we don't know, but we
don't know the things that we don't know we don't know.
So having that kind of open curiosity to take that
(09:56):
leap off of that spot and move on to the
next one, standing how to clear your mind of like, well, yeah,
I know I've been taught this, but we're not sure.
Imagine if it's not right, Imagine if there's another way
of doing it. And that's what you've to do is
wipe your mind clean and go right, let's start from
a clean page. What could have been? And yes, it
(10:16):
could have been aliens that came along, We could have
been this, It could have been that, you know, and
we all have these Some people have these amazing theories,
and some people like myself, just go, oh, this is
how it is, and except for what it is. But
you've opened my mind to not just this possibility, but
there's probably many, many more possibilities along the way. But
for the moment, as a theory, your one's making a
(10:38):
lot of sense. Who knows what that is going to
mean going forward, But let's put put a pin in
that thought for a moment and go back to that
young boy with his shandy. Yeah, that's at the stars.
I imagine seeing stars. I remember that for me the
(11:01):
first time looking up at stars without all light pollution,
because I'm an Eastern girl as well, and like, just
who there so many more stars here. It's like I
see sugar or sugar all over the place. That was
your stepping off point from that realization and that curiosity.
Did you go back to education and look up Galileo
(11:24):
and all the greats the past theorists, or did you
just start from that blank page or were you like
just curious and kept it bubbling in the background until
you were ready.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, what happened was that happened to me when I
was ten, and obviously the next year I went to
secondary school studied general science, physics, obviously, chemistry, et cetera.
And so I learned the traditional thinking on that with
(12:03):
my own thinking in the background about nothing. I started
to think about how could I everything started from nothing?
And so I didn't at that time. In secondary school, Yeah,
I did read a lot about Galileo, and I was
(12:25):
very keen on science. Science was my main subject area,
and I sort of soaked a lot of it up
like a sponge. And and so I had my own
background knowledge.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well you a bit of a pain to the teachers
by keep going, but why do they do that? And
why do they do that? And what's that all about.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I was a bit of a nerd. I knew a lot,
shall we say, about science, and especially in chemistry, so
I knew the uh at that time. I knew all
the elements and what what what what the what the
signs were and to believe their wait and all the
(13:10):
rest of it. So the science teacher sometimes used to say, Hawkins,
is that right? I say, yes, sir, not quite. So
I was very I was very delicate. Not quite so
it's it's this and so yeah, so from that point
of view. Yeah, but I'm lucky because I didn't upset
(13:34):
the people in the class. Yeah, of course they kept
viding me in this former captain for five years. So
that's mainly because I think because I'm fair minded. And
in those days, what happened was that we used to
(13:54):
stay in the classroom, the whole class. The teachers used
to come to us, and it was an all boys school.
I used to have to keep the peace classroom in
between teachers, not by not by shouting at people, but
by just I suppose leading them and leading them to
(14:16):
a certain extent and now and again leaving their names
up on the blackboard without sort of being worried about
any retributions. So that's sort of way I am. I
tend to I hate bullying, didn't allow bullying, and I
(14:39):
like to be fair. I'm a fair minded person and
that's come ready all the way through my life in
business and in personal life, and in terms of wherever
I see bullying, I'm afraid I have to get involved.
So it does involve me in some you know, confidence sometimes.
(15:01):
But yeah, So so basically what happened was I like
its all, I had all this role in the back
of my mind or everything I'd learned at that time,
you know, at school, and then my own thoughts began
(15:23):
to I began to put them together, and so for
some decades I had to focus on making a living.
And so my main thing has been funny enough, looking
at complex situations, programs and projects.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's interesting because I was going to say, did your
career lead you into sciences or did it take you
in a different route.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
No, it took me a different well. In fact, I
when I was a young guy, I taught myself out
a program and then became a self were designer, an
independent software designer. Yeah, and so I would look at
financial programs that needed to be written, a Qluity trading
(16:14):
program I've written, and that sort of thing, but also
everything else, you know, scaffolding, ferry boat systems, Yeah, all
sorts across the piece. And so I found that exciting
because I could use my imagination, I think through if
(16:35):
you like, the ins and outs, impacts complexities, and build
that in. So I've got a reputation as a fairly
decent software designer. And then I got picked on because
I could also manage everything to the time, So I
(16:56):
got a title of project manager, and I thought, that's
not a bad manager, it's got manager on it. And
so I got into project management, program management and also
got accidentally incidentally hiked out of the financial sector to
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a great extent into the power industry. So I was
just I was walking minde of my own business, walking
through Glasgow Airport and one of my colleagues said, you
need to go and sort out the program is going wrong.
So I said, what in the head office? You know,
(17:38):
gath can't I said, no, the power station. But I
don't know anything about that. I'm not an engineer. It
was quite interesting because I went over there and stood
back and looked at what was going on and and
so that was the beginning of me, I suppose building
(18:00):
a sort of engineering reputation as well, or engineering program reputation,
which still comes back now. People still phone me up
and say can you come and look at this program
or that program, and quite often it's an engineering one.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
So what I see running through a thread in your
life from the age of ten, possibly earlier along the way,
is that is that magic word imagination that is being
squashed out of an awful lot of children these days.
Time they don't have time to be imaginative and creative.
And then you've got the arts where you can be
imaginative and creative, but there's no money for the arts anymore,
(18:40):
so those programs are lost in the education system. But
everything that you've done, although you might look at it
and go scientific technical engineering, actually the thread that's coming
all the way through, and the reason that you've written
the book is because your imagination has been firing on
all cylinders at different levels. From the one to one
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was like, Oh, I quite like doing this. I might
do more of this to the global What if it
isn't like that? What would happen if it wasn't like that?
So can you imagine? Imagine? Can you imagine talking about
to an imaginative person when you were like six or
seven and you were out playing, what sort of could
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your parents see this imagination in you?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Then?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
What sort of what were your happy experiences of hanging
out and playing and having nice days with your family
when you were like six years old? Was it something
where you were constantly How does this work? Why does
this work?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well? I was lucky because I had two uncles, one
living next door. One I could open the window and
live in the next street, Lovely. I could talk to
my cousins, but my uncles were a sort of mad inventors. Wow.
My youngle Will was an engineer, a motor engineer, and
(20:02):
so I used to get scraps of metal and make
wonderful machines. He actually made a fruit machine, a working
fruit machine, yeah, out of a big biscuits in and
it did actually work. And they were always coming up
with different things, and I mentioned them in the end
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of the book that one of the inventions they came up.
They're always saying, what about this, what about that? And
so they were imagine it as well. And one of
the inventions they come up with was holes in the
road that you could order a hole, you know, and
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it gets delivered and then you put it on the
road and it then goes down and save you did
the digging the whole yourself. So it was actually quite interesting.
It was actually I thought blood he mad man. But
they but they then said, and we could sell it
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as concentric holes, so you can pack it easily because
you've got these smaller ones inside the big one. So
I okay, okay, but it was it was so it
was quite no imagination space. But then wow. Yeah. And
so my first introduction to the idea of black holes,
I guess, but I didn't realize it at the time.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yes, yeah, And once you discover these things, it's just
on going. So who do you admire in that world
that you would go, oh, he's got it right, or
he's on the right track, or or is there anyone
in in that science community that you're following or not?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Well, well, what happened to me was when I say,
I learned a lot of crowded insights, so a lot
of a lot of information. Then I then I then
came into my pro gramming and project management days program management.
And then about now three years ago, I started putting
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the book together. Seriously, my daughter's aladi, you just to
ask me to explain something. I'd waved my hands around
a bit, and she said, I can't understand it. Now,
can you write down those what those hand movements meant?
In English? I go, okay, thanks. So, and I came
to a point where I was happy with the book.
(22:32):
I'd got everything sort of more or less more or
less finished except for the final editing, and so I
suddenly thought, God, I better go and check it out. Okay,
it's modern thinking and modern science. So yeah, I did
then go and I did a lot of intensive research
and studying, reading and people like Fineman and Explank and Einstein,
(23:00):
et cetera, m and just a load of other people.
But certainly Max Plank stayed with me for a long time,
and he's on the cover of the book. He's quote
he said that I believe in I believe in consciousness
as a given, and I believe that all matter comes
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from consciousness. Mm hmmm. So that's Max Plank, who's one
of the key founders of quantum physics, and certainly also
Einstein in so far as he said that you believed
that the eventual answer to everything would be very simple,
and so my theory is essentially simple. But I really,
(23:54):
I really took great great ah. I suppose they gave
me impetus re reading what they really thought. And I
got to admit, I put my hands up to not
being brilliant at maths, so I couldn't query any of
(24:14):
the any of the mathematics. But I did I did
get a lot out of reading conversations, conversations that different
scientists were having about things that I didn't quite understand.
So That was great because I found that what I
(24:37):
had written in the book, I answered a lot of
the questions, including what came before Big Bang, but also
deeper questions really about how how everything might work. So
so I deliberately stayed away over those decades from look
(24:58):
at any science books, anything that was going on, because
I didn't want to coming back to my I trying
to keep my mind clear. A backlog of information, it's
easy to fall went into a whole and go or
I find out more about that, and I found out
(25:19):
more about this.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It's so much out there, isn't there out there?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, And so I wanted I wanted to slay pure Jill,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Perfect. So now it's the book's written and the slate's
been filled up with your words and your theories. Are
you going to go to someone like Professor Brian Cox
or someone to go what do you think about this then?
And just see what their thoughts are around it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah. I've been been a member of the scientific and
medical community, and so I sent it off to about
thirty scientists in that community, and I've just sent it
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off and asking for their review on it, which is
quite brave really, because I think that certainly friends that
have got a pretty good idea about science. You know,
I've come back and went, well, yeah, I get it,
and I think it's a good a good theory, but
(26:30):
it can only ever be a theory obviously, but certainly
it's been very been very encouraged.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Well, it would be interesting if some of these guys
are bothering to read the book, which would be great
in the first place, they don't want to be that
arrogant that they can't consider something new, but also that
they might have theories that they've been working on that actually,
all of a sudden, is another Your book is another
piece of the jigsaw for what they're doing. And we
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seem to have paused for second.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Hold on, Joe, maybe the universe doesn't want me to speak.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You just lost Peter for a moment, and now he's
going to carry on. I think good technology was wonderful
when it works, isn't it? Sorry if Peter got interrupted.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It is no, it's it's good anyway. I mustn't it
that at the moment I've people that I've been speaking
to have have well, I actually wrote it without any
any formula, without any technical took. Mm hmm. You've made
(27:36):
it except the chapter nine because I wanted wanted to
get it out to people like you, actually, Jill, you
know what I call the intelligently curious. So because I
think it's I'm very I had some exciting conversations about
(28:00):
people that have read it and you know, asked what
about this and what about that? And I've been able
to gently take them through existing thinking and then related
back to the Zeron theory and explained that it's that's
how I think it works. Also when I was looking
(28:22):
at really what well. One of the problems is that
the thinking of thinking of quantum quantum physicists has never
quite been fully integrated with the theory of relativity Einstein
(28:44):
and so one of the debates that I listened to
was Einstein talking and another scientist about had it all work?
The British discussion ninet thirty five, and they decided they
couldn't think of are it all joined up? And I said,
imagine a piece of baber in the middle, and that's
(29:06):
how it's done. And it's quite interesting because there's still differences,
big differences. Einstein didn't believe that gravity was a separate
entity that you could manipulate. You believe that it was
something else. So certainly in my book I do explain
(29:30):
and you mentioned I do explain another way to think
about gravity, and so I'm okay there. I think Einstein
will be I suppose happy wherever it is about that.
But I think that also in terms of quantum physics,
(29:52):
there's a lot of great stuff that's gone on and things,
but there's some of things as well. I'm probably gonna
upset people now, but there's you know, there's everyone gets
very excited about wormholes and traveling in time, et cetera.
(30:14):
So I explain my take on that, and certainly there's
a number of other things that have only been pursued
because you can you can go up to the fourteenth
dimension fifteenth dimension in maths, but not in reality. So
(30:35):
I think a lot of mathematicians have been led down
a rabbit hole by being able to an event whatever
they want to invent, and but it doesn't it's not
very good for explaining what's really going on. And certainly
I explain my take on black holes and matter in
(31:02):
the book. And there's a lot of a lot of
unknowns in the world of science. I put some of
them in the back of the book on chapter nine
and show that Zero's answers all of those things. But
I didn't. I didn't engineer the book to fit the
(31:25):
defit the unknowns. I just wrote the book and say
just independently from my own thoughts, and then started to
check it out check it out for a couple of years.
So interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
What would you like to happen as a result of
your book now being out in the world. What do
you see happening.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I'd like to I'd like to make people think and
evaluate their own existence. Really mm hmm. Certainly if you
think about what I said about in the beginning there
was no beginning and the end is no end, and
(32:06):
then linked it up with Max Plaink saying I believe
in consciousness and that all all matter comes from consciousness,
and I believe that we're all in if you like
two parts. We've got a physical part that comes and goes,
(32:27):
but I think our consciousness actually is there. Brother. So
it's interesting because certainly the book is a great book.
I'm not religious, but the book will support people that
believe in God because my original ten year old question
(32:51):
about what came before God doesn't need to be answered. No,
what what came before. Question needs to be answered, and
I think that there's I think there's answers in there
which I think could give people comfort about their own lives,
(33:11):
because when you think about it, we're born and after
a while we suddenly realized, obviously we gradually realized that
we're going to die. So I think all of us
going ahead a thought in the past, what's going to
happen to us? You know, do we just does the
light just go out? You know? Is that the end
(33:32):
of us? That we carry on? And nobody knows? Ably,
I see that there is a possibility of how that
could happen.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I mean, if you consider there are so many religions
in the world, and the majority of them have a
very very similar narrative. Yes, and many of them are
thousands of years old. Where has that stuff? Where was
that seed planted? It's strange that one is over in Asia,
you know, different parts of the world have all got
(34:04):
a very similar narrative. Sadly humans kind of muck it
up by going to the new do But we don't
really do we We're all just out there trying to
find the best way through. But what you're saying, this
ongoing consciousness before and after. I mean in the Bible
it says in the beginning was the Word, and the
word was with God, and the word was God.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yes, a circular argan.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, exactly exactly. So it's interesting that when you then
take a theory that's different to the norm and then
map it against what's gone on, you can then actually
justify it and see where oh that makes sense. Oh
that's interesting. Oh me, yes, because of that, and it
just has that more validity. So what I would love
(34:50):
to see is the big boys of the science world,
the current Einstein's that we have that we look up
to or we listen to to them take it on
board and go what if this was, and then what
would it be? And then to kind of unpick it
from your point of view because you're sitting there and
you've gone, this is what I believe, this is when
(35:11):
my imagination has taken me. And then they can add
something you go, I hadn't thought about that because you
don't know what you don't know. You don't know because
it hasn't come in front of you yet. So hopefully
you'll be able to do the Part two, Part three,
Part four of this book, when more and more people
get it. More and more people put their two pennethin
and you can think about it and go, actually that
(35:32):
fits perfectly because of this, this and this, and then
you can do the next version.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, my imagination is open open for business there. It's
quite interesting about three years ago, two and a half
years ago, a lot of the top physicistssts. It was
a program about them. It was about ten of them
at the end that students ask them what is time?
(36:01):
And each one of them sort of said in the end,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
They gave series, but they didn't actually believe any of them.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, they all came down to the fact that they
didn't know, which is quite interesting. So I deal with
time in the book in a different way. I think
that's one big thing. The other thing you say about people.
Certainly Brian Cox, I just saw the end of one
of these programs where he's walking in pitch darkness, well
(36:36):
apart for me light to shine on it, and he said,
this is probably how the how, the how the universe
is going to end, and it was blackness with no
stars and he said, and it would just be empty.
And I disagree with him.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Oh, I was going to say that's a bit depressing
when you hear that, isn't it. It's like, oh, come.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
On, well, we're in the book. Yeah. No, No, it's
quite interesting because it's very hard. Like the professors were
asked what is time? But if we asked ourselves what
is space? You go, well, it's out loud, it's outside,
(37:18):
but what is it? What is it? And so I
explained what he is in the book and also explain
about big Bang and big crunch, which is what he
was talking about. So the universe is born, it exists,
and then it fades away possibly probably, And the thing
(37:45):
that I believe is is no such thing as empty space.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Mhm.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
So that's an interesting one. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And I think it's it's if consciousness is able to
manifest things. I mean, this is interesting because since the pandemic,
more so than before, I think people are recognizing, acknowledging, intuition,
the law of attraction, all of these whatever name you
put out there. It's the fact that our hearts and
(38:19):
minds and souls are all connected. And you know when
the phone rings and you were just thinking of that person,
and it's like, oh, is that what coincidence?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I've got a couple of examples in that blister. We're
all linked together. We're all linked together with everything, the
animals only, or consciousness everything. But certainly I've put a
couple of examples in the book. You probably haven't gone
up to that chatter yet, but it's where I sat
(38:50):
one day thinking about someone I hadn't seen for ten years,
and someone I hadn't seen for about five years. What's
going on with it? So the same day the person
that I had met for ten years, I got a call.
I've got a mobile call, probably you referred to it
earlier on Yeah, And he said, oh, I didn't call you.
(39:15):
It's nice to hear from you. So I said, oh,
must have been. Must have been a bum call you,
And it must have been. We must talk some more,
you know, soon. And the next morning I got a
call from the goddens in five years and again he said, oh,
I didn't call it. Oh, I can only work out
(39:37):
that my consciousness I was able to sort of persuade
their mobile phones to give me a ring. So careful
what you.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Think about, yeah, for sure. So how do you feel
about the afterlife from the point of view of getting
in touch with you and supporting you and helping you.
If this is ongoing.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I have no idea, really, I think that's something. I
believe that. One of the things I believe is that
when we die, time stops for us, hm, well, physical
time stops, and we're then into the infinity of of
(40:25):
the whole universe, and so we don't realize about time.
And so I suspect that when we when we drop
our physical time, because we will live by the clock days, clocks.
But I think that we were then I think a
(40:46):
lot of people will just go and be amazed. I think,
hopefully amazed, and join up. The other conscious consciousness is
another one half unders say, and basically and twelve years
auld go by in what seems like it's waste of time.
(41:11):
So I think that I hope, you know, I hope
that I get to connect to my lovely wife Susie. Again,
I haven't figured out how to do that if that's
what you're asking, but if I do, I'll let you know.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. I had an experience that
I haven't shared with too many people, but my dad
helped me in my belief that my dad helped me.
After he passed away in two thousand and seven. And
this was about nine months later, and I was driving
along in the snow on my way to business meeting
(41:50):
one evening, about seven o'clock in the evening, in the dark,
and the snow was coming down, and it had been
coming down for quite some time, so the roads were
a little bit tricky. And as I was driving down
the A four one four you know it, well, yes,
in Essex, there was small road. I'm thinking, I should
really go back. I shouldn't really be driving in this weather.
(42:12):
It's awful. I should go back. But I promised that
I was going to go to this event in Chelmsford.
And then all of a sudden I could smell my
dad's cigarette smoke, because he was a Golden Virginia man,
and it's quite a think smell so much, and I'm like, well,
hang on, it's winter, there's no field burning out there.
Where the hell is this smell coming from. But also
(42:34):
I felt that he was sat behind me in the
middle of the seat in the car, so I looked
in the mirror expecting to see his face because that
smell was so strong, and I couldn't see him. So
I looked that way and I still couldn't see him.
I couldn't see behind me, so I just slowed right
down and practically came to a stop, but not quiet.
And I just looked and he wasn't there. And I
(42:54):
was so disappointed, so gutted that he wasn't there. I said, oh, well, Dad,
thanks were popping in. Nice to see you. The smell
was still there. It's very very strong. Put the car
into first, pulled off again, and I was doing about
five ten miles an hours. I was getting up to
speed for like twenty miles an hour for the conditions.
The car was coming in the opposite direction, going quite fast,
(43:18):
indicating to turn left for him, right for me. So
he shouldn't have touched me. It shouldn't have been anywhere
near me. He should have just gone off there. But
as he came up to me indicating to do left,
he swerved right in front of me. I had to
slam on my brakes. I came to a halt, missed
him by that much, and he went off down that
lane and went. The smell came even more, and then
(43:41):
it was gone.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
I do believe. My own belief is that I say
we're all connected. I think where people are very very
strongly connected. Then I think that, and I think that
it could be of communication. Certainly happened to my wife, Susie. Yeah,
and she's actually see her grandma, and her grandma wanted
(44:06):
to do something and didn't tell her what it was.
Susie surmised right when I did it. And so I
think Susie is very in touch. Shall we say, she's
not a media or anything like that, She's just very
in touch with people. Her whole life has been talking
(44:27):
to people, advising people, helping people, and so she's very empathetic.
So I think that. So I do believe that makes
me think even more that we do. And also, as
I make it laugh, whenever I've been doing woodwork and
(44:49):
I'm tempted to, I've made a mistake and I'm tempted to,
you know, just do a bad job. Susie's dad, I'm
sort of in my head goes, you don't do that, probably, mate,
So I have to stop messing around and throw it
better away it properly. So I do think that there
(45:13):
are connections.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Absolutely. Their essence lives on for sure. And also you
can see it in your grandchildren as well, can't you that? Yeah,
that entity, that personality that character is never going to
disappear as part of who they were.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And that's right. It's one of those things that we're
going we accept as a norm that growing up, Yeah,
we're like this person that person. I love other people
and we grow up, well, not all of us, but
the lucky ones with a rapport with parents obviously, sisters
(45:57):
and brothers and the cousins and friends. And I think
that there's all the time there's communication going on, that's
not that's just us being with each other. So I
think our conscious consciousnessness is consciousness. I always had trouble
(46:18):
spelling that as well. In the book, they got more
complicated with subconsciousnesses. But basically, so I think there's a
lot that you're talking about intuition, you know, in coming
up more in the in the when when we're all
alone in the twenty nineteen, and basically it's I think
(46:45):
that people did have more time to think and feel.
So it's the it's the and I think that there
there has been. I think a lot of people have,
but their own conscious consciousness is their own awareness and
(47:07):
as you say, their only intuition, Yeah, it's really at
the moment. Wild animals have intuition, they know where the
storms come, for example. Yes, and I think that a
lot more people, certainly a lot of people I meet,
I I don't know, I feel a connection other than
(47:31):
just saying alone talking and I think, yeah, and a
lot of people I can just sit with, especially when
my Susan, you know, we just sit together and you know,
I know that we're communicating so without without speaking.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, with my husband, it's interested, isn't it. But it's
a blessing and we have we have to never take
that for granted because and there are some people. I
met one guy and the minute we saw each other,
it was introduced through a friend. And the minute we
saw each other, so we've met before, haven't we? And
I'm like, yeah, we have. Where was it? I don't know.
(48:09):
I can't think. We spent all evening going through how
we must have known each other, and then the following
time we went out, about six weeks later, we were like,
I've been thinking about driving me crazy. I know that
I know you spent another evening going through everything right
from the age of four all the way through. We
still couldn't. I don't think we have met each other
(48:30):
in this lifetime. But I certainly think we've met each
other in one lifetime.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yes, it was just.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
So strong that both of us said it before the
other one wasn't Like. I convinced him like, I'm sure
we've met and he was like, no, maybe both of
us at the same time. When we know each other,
don't we? Where do we know each other from? It
was very bizarre, but just eating at the same time. Listen,
I'm looking at the clock, and I realized that we
have scratched the surface only of the beautiful Xeron's book
(48:57):
The Theory of Nothing. It's not about nothing, it's about
fascinating objects. So we are going to have to do
a part two on this, Peter, at some point in
the future. Now, if somebody wants to talk to you
about Zerons, how's the easiest way of them to get
in touch with you about it?
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Well, I've got to be careful here because, in fact,
really at the end of the book, I've got a
uh we sorry, an email address which is Q and
A at xerons dot com. And so what I'll do,
(49:36):
what I'm planning to do is click together common questions,
you know, and give a common answer. But what I'll
do is if people have got a particularly difficult or
interesting question, then I'll arrange to speak with them to
(49:56):
give them some idea. So that's already happened actually with
a couple of people who've read the book, and they
answer really good questions, and I was able to sort
of sit down and very gently really take them through
their thinking, listen to them, and then say, well, okay,
(50:21):
I think I said before I translate that into zerons.
Why it's not a language, but.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
I don't know why it sounds that money in some way.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I hope it does turn into money. But basically that'd
be useful. Then I can spend all my time, you know,
doing zeros too. Basically, it's so I give them their
perspective by referring them to the book and saying, do
you remember that bit I said about this, this and this, Yeah,
(50:56):
well if you think about that, essentially answer your question
in the context of the whole book.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Fascinating. So not only do you get to read the
book if you've read it, and we'll put the link
to how you can order the book on the show notes,
but you can actually talk to the author as well.
And sentience a Q and a email a Q and
a zero zerons dot com. But we'll put all these
details in. But also Peter is one of the members
of Collaboration Globe as you know, so if you wanted
(51:26):
to come along to one of our sessions, there's a
possibility he will be there as well, and connect up
with him on zoom one of our sessions and you
can find them on event right, or you can go
to collaboration blob dot org, which is the website, and
you can book onto one of our sessions there.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I got to say, it's wonderful what you've done, and
you're one of the nicest, hardest working people I know
and very clever, very clever person. This is why I've
got to say thank you ever so much for helping
me with this podcast and of reading the book. Happy
(52:03):
to talk to you about any questions she might have.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Oh I will, I will, absolutely. It just fascinates me
and I'm thrilled that you're part of the community because
there are other people in the community that are going
to absolutely adore talking to you about this as well.
But you know, you say, I'm very clever, and there
is a reason for that. As I grew up my dad,
mister tiny Lynn Tiny was one of eleven children. I
(52:29):
always forget twelve or eleven, and they all used to say,
all the tinyes are clever. Okay, so I had a
lot to live up to. So yeah, encouragement, encouragement, Yeah, exactly.
It was a fatal complete. We didn't have a choice
in her house. Yes, all the times are clever, my
mum used to say sarcastically because obviously she wasn't technically
(52:52):
a tiny until she got married. But just to buy
the buye. So thank you again so much. We will
do part two very soon, hopefully lot so people will
be in touch with you of this conversation because it's
just one of those topics that it's like it's something new,
brand new that we can discover and find out for ourselves,
and this is yeah, awesome. Thank you again, Peter, We'll
(53:13):
see you.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Thanks fantastic, thank you. Thanks. I
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