BZ's Saloon, 09.25.25 DAN TOTH of B.I.G., & A Salute To Dr Jeff Meldrum

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Utta Yo.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages,
Welcome to bz's Brazerk Bob Kat Saloon Radio Show, live
and direct right here on the SHR Media Network. Tonight
is going to be a little different. We're going to
harken back basically to June nineteenth of this year when

(02:45):
I had an amazing guest on Dan Tok. We're going
to talk to him about the Big Bigfoot Investigative group,
about the travels that he does about year. We're also
going to have a tribute to the recently passed doctor

(03:06):
Jeff Meldrum, an incredible Bigfoot and Sasquatch researcher from Boise
State University who passed recently at the age of sixty seven.
I had the fortunate encounter to meet him, and sadly
he has now passed away. So let's go to the

(03:30):
folks that are in chat here and let's see just
who is here so far. Rick Robinson is in chat first,
The unpleasant blind Guy is here, Ricky Robinson.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Pazy Basy Basy.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
The Phantom is here. Let's get ready to rumble and
rock the mission, ready men. Earl Jackson is here and
Jersey Joe is here, and the ever is late but
has awakened. So in any event, let me put now
to the stage the act you've known for all these years.

(04:11):
This is Dan talk. Now we're unfamiliar. I spoke to
Dan back on June nineteenth of twenty twenty five. And
what happened is that I drove. Let's see if I
get this pretty accurate. I drove two thousand, one hundred
and fourteen miles in order to meet Dan right.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Here and doctor Meldrum and see it's backwards, and to
go to the Big Conference, the Bigfoot Investigative Group conference.
So missus Babs and I we we rented apar. We
drove from North Idaho. We stopped over night in Billings, Montana.

(04:58):
We continued on to Broomfield, Colorado, and we went to
the to the May twenty fourth Big Conference, the Bigfoot
Investigative Group. And that was where doctor Meldrum spoke. That's
where Dan Toff was and we also had a host
of other folks.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And so here's let me go up here just I
have the fortunate chance to meet doctor a wonderful, wonderful
and this is doctor Meldrum and myself right here. We

(05:40):
miss him already. He was not just a legend, but
a huge intellect in the field of knowledge. And so
Dan created Let me put this on the screen if
I can. Right now, Dan created the Big Bigfoot Investigative Group.

(06:03):
You can find that at Bigfoot Investigativegroup dot com bigfootage
and they had a conference in Broomfield. Next year it'll
be in Courtelane and I think it will be wonderful. Sadly,
doctor Meldrim will not be as opposed the last time. Now,

(06:26):
you were here June nineteenth, and you introduced yourself to
a whole bunch of people. But for those folks who
were not here at the time, Dan Tos, could you
tell us a little bit about yourself, who you are
and how it is that you came to create the
b I G or Bigfoot Investigative Group.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, thanks for having me on again. Good evening, everybody, welcome.
Great to be here with an honor and a privilege. Yeah.
I grew up with Junia Beach, Virginia. My dad was
a naval officer and I grew up a little Creek, Virginia.
So I was a paper boy when I was a kid.
Long story short, I'm hat a lot of Seal team

(07:11):
guys on my paper route that were stationed at the
Little Creek Naval Amphibious Base there in Virginia Beach when
I was a boy, and I mean, I'm yeah, they
just inspired the heck out of me to be a seal.
So they taught me how to work out, and I
got motivated, and I went to the Navy out of
high school in July seventy five, which has been fifty

(07:32):
years now, and I went through seal training and made it.
In fact, I graduated from seal training two years to
the day that I graduated from high school at Cox
High School in Virginia Beach, Virginia on June ninth, to
seventy five. And I graduated from Buds Training in Coronado,
class ninety two on June nineteen seventy seven. So I

(07:57):
did twenty five years as a Navy Seal. And I
also became a pro strength coach at an internship four
years University of Colorado Speed Strength and Conditioning. I worked
at the Steelers facility in Pittsburgh as a pro strength coach,

(08:18):
and I went back to the teams on staff warcom
staff back in what Man. It's already been eleven years ago.
Next week. Yeah. I went back to work on war
coom Seal staff in Coronado in September of twenty and fourteen,
and then did that until December of twenty two and retired.

(08:40):
But during all those years I was really inspired and
had a huge like a lot of people had a
huge curiosity and you know, furvor for this Bigfoot enigma.
So when I fully retired in December twenty two, I
contacted some guys that I actually served with in the

(09:01):
teams and said, hey, I've got this idea. And I
was surprised because all of them came on board. So
that's how I created or you know, came up with
big because I decided, you know, three years ago almost
to go you know, at a professional level, because for
years I did it as a hobby and I studied

(09:21):
the big Foot enigma, followed doctor Meldrum and some other
people for like a good fifty years, forty five fifty years.
So here we are now doing it, you know, after ourselves,
and we've been almost at it now for three years,
coming up on three years, and we've made a lot
of made a lot of incredible what do you call

(09:45):
it discoveries, incidents, sightings, filming, three knocks, and I've had
three close encounters with them now seventy five to no
more than ninety feet away, a male and two females
in the Red River, New Mexico area, and then also

(10:09):
Hans Peak, Columbine area of Colorado, and then now this
past summer in the Medicine Boat National Forest area of Wyoming.
So you know, we'll get into more detail, but that's
pretty much my story up to this point. Readers, ditches version.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Well, what happened to you that got you into deciding that,
you know, this is really I had a cool damn career.
I had a kick ass career. As Terry Shapperd said,
he was a provider of high quality violence, right, And

(10:49):
you were called to do what you were called to do.
And now we understand how it is that you were
associated with the seals, but that you can remember how
long was it that you've been interested in Cryptid's bigfoot
sasquatch the career thing you did all that wanted to
do there and then you were lucky enough to be

(11:12):
able to well, let me start at the start again.
When did you start becoming interested in Sasquatching Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, you know, I'll tell you the truth. I've heard
a lot of people say this that are involved in
researching investigating the Sasquatch enigma. And I mean the first
time I saw the Patterson Gimlin film, I think I
was probably about fifteen, which is nineteen seventy two, but

(11:38):
I saw it on in Search of the TV show
with Leonard Nimoy. And then where I grew up at
in Virginia Beach, Virginia, we establish Old Drive in theater
there at the just big Baborage stunnel and shore Drive,
excuse me, And it was place we used to go

(12:02):
when I was a teenager. And I saw that movie
one night there, the Legend of Boggy Creek. And I mean,
I'm serious. I've heard other people say this, but those
two things really got me inspired, especially the Patterson Gimlin film.
And I really made a commitment to myself and planned
on when I was at age that when I fully retire,

(12:27):
you know, someday, I plan on living in Colorado and
looking for him actively myself. So here I am, That's
what I'm doing. And then I think that I was
really motivated and inspired by kind of standing in the
wings over the years, if you will, watching and following
doctor Meldrum's career, and you know, and especially when he

(12:51):
went public a few years back with the Scuokum cast
and the Freeman stuff, everything he did over his career,
and I thought, you know, when I start doing this actively,
someday when I'm fully retired, I'll get a hold of
him and see if I can you know, team up
with him or you know, get him as an ally.

(13:13):
And that's what happened three years ago. We became good friends.
And you know, he's been at three of our original
three big conferences over the year, including this last one
in May where you met him. So that's what got
me going. And then I guess the big thing too,
is that I saw over the years, with my background

(13:38):
and everything that I guess, I've kind of felt like
I was amazed personally at the amount and the number
of sightings and stories that I heard and I studied
over the years, and it really trigued me because some

(14:01):
of these stories I watched, being honest about it, and
I really, you know, with my training and experience, I
really got to the point watching some of these people
tell these stories I was like, Man, these people aren't joking.
I mean they're not They're not lying. So that got
me going. And then when the evidence started showing up

(14:24):
more and more, people like you know, the people at
b f RO, Rocky Mountain, Sasquatch all these other organizations
were doing their thing, I thought, Wow, the evidence is overwhelming.
But the big thing that got me was reading Doc
Meldram's book, Sasquatch Legend Meets Science and I'm getting ready

(14:46):
to read it again for like the fifth time. But
when I read that book, especially the section where doctor
Melbrim spoke about in depth the journal lines and the
ridges and some of the tracks and the prints that
they've recovered and found over the years, that really convinced

(15:06):
me because I thought to myself, you know, you can't
fake footprints. You can't fake you know, fingerprints, stuff like
that when maybe you could, but you know, finding stuff
like that out in the wild with you know, footprints
that are thirteen seventeen eighteen inches long and you know
from the feed up there's something standing there six hundred

(15:29):
and fifty to twelve hundred pounds or more. That's what
got me going. So all that together and then about two,
three years before I retired, I started getting really active
and you know, studying it more, getting ready to jump
into the fold per se. And that's what I did

(15:49):
after I retired. So I started actively running big in
January twenty three, right after the holidays. So that's pretty
much what got me going over the years. And I mean,
you know, Doc Malgram had a lot to do with it,
you know, being blunt about it.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
You also have another guy, another couple of guys that
are around you. Maybe you could tell about them or
talk about them just for a brief moment. Mike McMahon
and I think Scott Wolf if I have my two
names correct.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Right, Yeah, Mike and Scott we served together years ago
in the eighties and nineties. That's where we met. We
were all seals together and we served a Sealed Team
three in Coronattom. Mike and I deployed once in spoke
Ops deployment in eighty eight and you know they got out.
I retired in May of ninety nine, and we've just

(16:44):
you know, stayed friends over the years. And when I
started this, I contacted him three years ago. They came
to my retirement party in December twenty two, out in
San Diego and California, and there were a couple of
the guys that I approached and said, hey, let's do this,
and they said, heck, yeah, we'll do it. So Scott
was just out here for my daughter's wedding.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
And congratulations, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
She got married September first, and Scott came out a
little early before his wife. And then we went to
Medicine Bow for a few days and camped out and
did some stuff and we got some got some good
tree knocks while we were there, and Mike, you know,
it's really amazing. I'll get into that later so I

(17:30):
don't lose track, but that's the story. And Mike and
Scott were also a law enforcement After they left the teams,
they became sheriff's deputies in Colorado and in Michigan, and
Scott made a career out of it, and he retired
August a year ago, yeah, August a year ago, and
then him and his wife moved to Florida. So he's

(17:53):
living down in Florida now. Mike's out in Florida too.
That story. Then there's a couple other guys that are
part of the big staff that I served with Billy Hill,
and then Pat Howard, he's a retired marine. We met
when we were working Warcom staff from fourteen to twenty two.

(18:16):
Then a new member that just came on about a
year ago, was out in Colorado. He's an Army veteran
and we brought him on after he contacted me, Steve Brown.
And you know, things are just flowing along naturally, and
you know, we've been working these three areas just to

(18:37):
let everybody know what we do at BIG is pretty
high end and we all you know, I do this.
I approach this from a seal perspective and doing you know,
what I learned as a seal predominantly and applying it
to the actual overall investigation and research, which is pretty

(18:59):
heavy duty. Is on an average night, I'll go out
at sunset and come in at two thirty four thirty
in the morning. And we're non reactionary, so people can
understand that. And a lot of this is also we're
doing it based on Doctor Meldrum's guidance and council and recommendation.
So we picked three areas well, actually two, and I

(19:21):
collaborated and consulted with Doc when he was around and
with us on that. So we last two years we've
been focused on staying in the Red River Bobcat Pass
area of New Mexico.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Funny how that works out.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, and then the hans Peak Summit Creke the
Columbine area of north central Colorado, which is beautiful. So
I've stayed in those two places. I've had sightings, pictures, video,
tree knocks at some close encounters, real close where you
could smell them. And then as time went on and

(20:01):
I started focusing on the hans Peak area last year
a year ago in May, I've had a male and
a female there, and I know it's a male and
a female because I was close enough to them. And
I'm going to tell people candidly, as a retired seal,
if this is the first time you've joined miss you
know with me on here in two and a half

(20:23):
three years of doing this, these things are real. They
are real because I've been near them, I've seen them,
I've heard them, I've smelled them. And the two that
I've been kind of like trace following, if you will,
for the last year and a half, I'm convinced now
that they're moving north and south and ranging from the

(20:46):
hans Peak area of Colorado up into the across the
border in south central Wyoming into the Medicine Bow area
out by encampment in Battle. I've seen them out there
at tree Knocks and you know, and go into more
detail on that later, but that's what we're doing. Just
so you understand. We don't get big. It's all pretty

(21:08):
high end seal stuff, so you know you want a seal.
I don't really talk about how we're doing it, but
keep it simple. I just go out and sit in
the dark at night in the spot and I don't
move and I let them come to me, along with
every other thing that lives out there, from a black
bear to a mountain lion, to a lobo wolf and

(21:29):
a moose.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
A youth had everything.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
No, I've got it documented on my website too, where
these animals have just walked right up to me sitting
there in the dark. Of fact, I got an incident
that occurred this past May in Columbine area, Colorado. When
I was out there, the moose walked up to me
in the dark. It was a bull and I just

(21:54):
stood there and he walked by me and around me.
It was in the middle of this field meadow because
he walked by me on the road, caught me by
surprise coming down the hill. So I just stood there
when he went by me about ten feet away, and
then he stopped and turned around and looked at me
and you didn't do anything. And I started filming him
on my thermal imager, which is on my website. You

(22:18):
can look at it. And then he walked about thirty
to forty feet, turned around, looked at me one more time,
and then he walked up on this little knoll that
was in front of me. He just bet it down. Yeah,
there you go. You're on the website. You can scirl down.
I got some Yeah, there he is. That's the stills
of it there where he was walking around me. Then

(22:40):
the one below that, the black one is where he's
really super close. He's about not even thirty feet thirty
yards from me there he just beted down. And to
be honest with everybody, I just stood in the dark
and I talked to him just like I'm talking to you.
I'm like, hey, nice night, glad you haven't kicked me
over a pine tree with your It was nice bullwinkle,

(23:04):
you know what I mean. And then he got up,
which really blew my mind that next picture there through
the thermal imagery. When he got up he started looking
that way, and that was a sign to me, So
I was like, what the hell's going on? And then
if you look in that picture up there, you can
see the three arrows. There were three things moving through

(23:25):
the brush there that were stopped. They stopped and they
were looking at us, and then they turned around and
went away. And I don't know what they were. I
can't really say, but with him there now, I wasn't
about to go out there and try to find out.
So anyway, then he's keep scrolling down. You can see
how close there's a dough with her two fawns. They

(23:47):
used to come up and you could see right there
these the four pictures down below, the mom's laying there
looking at me in the four squares. And then on
the left toop there that's a lobo wolf that came
up to me at Red River. They're very rare. And
there's another picture of the moose and then an elk,
and then the next one down is at the pumphouse

(24:10):
near the Chevron mine at Red River, New Mexico. And
the yellow arrow there on the left, that's a sassquatch
standing in the trees there the red blotch. I want
to go back up, I want to go back the
other way. Yeah, the uh. I don't know if he
can put the see that. But if you looked right

(24:30):
there on that single cell below the moose and the elk,
the red blotch there on the right through my thermal, yeah,
that is a bigfoot and he's standing there looking at
me through the trees. He's about thirty yards away, maybe
twenty five yards and you can see that's his torso
and his arms and his crotch. And I just sat

(24:53):
there looking at him, and he bent over and looked
at me. But it happened so fast that he turned
around and went up the hill. So you can keep
scrolling down if you want. This was it? This was
that was a Summit creek. Yeah, Summit Creek. This past
early spring caught him peeking out from behind the tree.
There you can see the yellow arrow pointing at the

(25:16):
top of his skull. One in the middle you can
see the very pronounced size of no neck, pointed head
exactly and then he's huge and you can see where
the green arrow from the thermal imager was picking him up.
He peeked out and disappeared. But it's kind of like
I'm out there playing cat and mouse with him, trying

(25:36):
to get him to the point being blunt about it
where he I think I'm on the verge of doing
it too, that him and his mate are getting closer
to me, and they're actually, i'll tell you more later,
they're communicating when I what are you. My theory. My
theory panned out this summer, moving the medicine Bow as

(25:57):
a sidebar because I figured that they were moving up
that way for the summer, and I was right. And
I also figured that they were at that lake, you know,
for the water source and the food source because you know,
animals that big need water. So the next one down
in the middle there, that was at Summit Crete, Wyoming,

(26:21):
and it just popped up there and then he disappeared.
You could see the X from the thermal imager is
right on him, and that was quick. Sometimes they'll they'll
sit there and look at you when they're behind foliage,
but when they're out in the open, they're gone once.
And I think that they can detect. In my opinion, now,

(26:41):
I think that something somehow in their vision they can
actually detect the signature from the thermal imager. So the
next one down I caught the one by the pump
house that's Red River, New Mexico again, and the black
right there, that's literally him taking a look at me
from the trees, and then he turned around and walked away.

(27:03):
And then the next one down is a still from
the video that I took at one thirty in the
morning back on October twentieth of twenty twenty three at
Bobcat Pass, New Mexico. I walked out in the field
there that night at Bobcat Pass in a herd of elk.
The elk got comfortable with me just being blunked about

(27:26):
it to the point where I could just walk out
in the middle of the herd. And I was out
there in the middle of the herd with him. I've
got the video that you can watch on my website
at Bigfoot Investigativegroup dot com. But that's the still of
the sasquatch and the trees looking at me after he screamed.
And then I came back two months later and you
can see him following the herd of elk again at

(27:48):
Bobcat Pass and where the yellow air is that's him
where when I was walking with the elk, you can
see him right behind him. He popped up and he
took off, and you can see the red dot from
the signature on the thermal. That's his back, between his
shoulders and down to his waist. That he was huge.
I mean, you can see how Tally is compared to

(28:10):
the elk. He's probably seventy five yards away.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Then we're talking to Dan Toff. Now Dan, by the way,
if if you're interested, folks, I'm gonna open up the
phone line here just in a moment if you want
to speak to Dan. One of the questions that James
Harbin had is sorry about the awful wall question, but
are some friendly and some are not so friendly? And

(28:37):
you believe that they may be intered dimensional creatures?

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Now, well, I'm going to ask candidly that's a good question, Jim.
I guess I can call you Jim mister Harmon. In
my opinion with the three, well actually at seven or eight,
they're very friendly, but they're very timid and cryptid, if
you will, sigh and bashful, and they've is in it
no danger or shown any signs of violence or aggression

(29:05):
to me I've never seen them with red eyes, so
I can't really answer that question yes or no. And
in my opinion, our main impetus that big is to
get close to them, to try to interact with them
and document it. I don't know if they've got interdimensional

(29:25):
ability or not on that, you know, in reference to
that question as well, because I've never seen that happen,
so I really couldn't tell you. I mean, there's been
people out there that claim that they do, but I've
never seen it happen or occur, and so I really
don't know if they do or not. I hope that.

(29:45):
But I don't think they're violent. I mean, maybe if
they're threatened, or maybe if like any other animal, if
you do something to threaten they're young or their children. Maybe,
But no, I don't think they're violent at all, because
I've had five close encounters with them now where I
was pretty close to a mail in August a year

(30:07):
ago near Columbine, Colorado, on a logging road at about
eleven o'clock at night, and I caught him pulling down
the limb of an aspen tree. I'm going to take
a peek at me because he was in the foliage
of the trees, and he pulled the limb down with
his hand so he could see me. And he was

(30:29):
using that stuff for cover and camouflage, if you will.
And I got a good picture of his face and
his shoulders and his head, mouth and eyes. You can
clearly see it, and you can even see his hand
up around the trunk of the aspen tree while he's
standing there looking at me. Then later on in November,

(30:50):
a few months later, I got the female standing in
some pines in the edge of the road in the snow.
There were some pockets of snow had melted, and I
caught her because I could smell her, and I took
a shot of that area, and clearly you can see
her stand there, and in that picture you can even

(31:11):
see her thumb like this sticking up with her fingers
where she's pulling down the branch of the pine tree
to look at me. And at the bottom of the
pine tree where the snow mound is where she's standing.
She's got one leg up and one leg back, and
you can actually see the front of her toes in
the snow. If you look at it close enough, you

(31:33):
can see her toenails and her toes it's pretty cool.
And then when I was in Medicine Bow where I
focused at this past summer from May to just matter
of fact, and going back out there again next week
before they closed the road, the male and female, I'm

(31:53):
pretty sure it's the same two from down in Steamboat
or hans Peak Lake area, but they moved up that
way and I suspected that they might and I moved
up that way, and I've got video of them tree
peeking at me down by Battle Lake at about ten
o'clock at night, I think it was. Then I got
between them at a spot that I picked at a

(32:16):
creek that they were tree knocking, and I was between
them and I documented that some of it. You can
hear the tree knocks that I documented and put on
my website under the big Picture page on my website. Yeah,
they tree knocked. And then when I heard them tree

(32:38):
knock again on my second trip in June July or July,
I actually drove down the road from where I was
in between them and just about a minute and I thought, Okay,
maybe if I turn around and come back, I'll catch
one of whoever it is male the female, But I
thought it was a female crossing the road. And when

(33:00):
I got back to my parking spot, I got out
of my car. I walked over to the edge of
the woods on the hillside in the dark, and I'm
sure enough to my cigarne an intense, brutal, loud tree
knock right behind me, and you know, excuse my friends,

(33:22):
but I went, holy shit, she's behind me, okay, And
I say she because you can tell the difference in
the power and the intensity and the volume of the
knock between the male and the female. You really can,
because I've listened to it enough. So when she did that,
I turned around and I thought she can't be more
than thirty forty fifty yards from me of that, and

(33:45):
I thought, damn, she got across that road quick. But
then I got a little bit the adrenaline got going because
I could hear her moving. Then she stopped, and then
I heard her report with a response tree knock that
was a lot louder, but you could tell it was
up the mountain in the distance probably I don't know,

(34:07):
a quarter maybe a little over a quarter mile away.
And then after that happened, it was like it stopped
and I heard her move and that was it. So
I figured that she got across the road and she
sent her boyfriend or her husband a knock saying hey,
I'm I'm home, free of heading your way. It's okay.
That's how I interpreted it. But I didn't hear nothing
else that night, and I stayed out there till about

(34:30):
two thirty am, I think, And then I went over
to Battle Lake and sat about a lake. You can
always hear something. I've heard night screams out there two
or three times out in the distance where they built
out those bigfoot screams or howls or yells out in
the middle of the night. So it's a heck of
an area. And kept working it. And then right before

(34:53):
Doc Meldram died, I went out there got some more
treat knocks. And it was the first time that I
got tree knocks during the day, during the daylight, and
it was right on the side of the road. Because
it was ironic, I pulled over to a spot where
I was the night before. It was really early in

(35:14):
the morning. It was like in the morning, yeah, and
there were alcohol around me. All these elks started coming
around me, and I heard some tree knocks. But then
I stopped, so I came back the next day and figured,
I'm gonna take a look at this place and see,
you know, what might be going on here in the daytime.
And I found this huge depositive scat right on the

(35:38):
edge of the road and the gravel and Doc it
was the last thing I worked with, Doc Meldremont, and
we agree that it was sasquat scat. It's huge, and
I got a picture of it, but it was just
put there, deposited overnight from the night before. So it
was like the next afternoon, probably almost twelve hours later

(36:00):
when I found it, and it was already pretty what
do you call it? Yeah, and it's from the heat
because it was still hot. But the thing about that
is you look at the picture, you can see the
marks and the gravel on the side of the road.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Is that the one that you sent me, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
That's the one. You can see the marks on the
road where it left. It's part of its Yeah, that's it.
You see the scat that's huge, and you can see
my phone there in my hand with my phone taking
the picture there in the lower right corner. But the
two marks in front of it off each edge at
about thirty degrees. If you look at it close, you

(36:41):
can tell, especially the top one. You can see toes
in the heel. That's where that's the marks that left
where it squatted to do its business. Being blunt about it,
and the header down there with the footer's hiding my
foot for scale. But that thing's huge and it hadn't
There's nothing out there that can deposit anything that big,

(37:01):
and plus the composition of it and stuff in the
contents we looked at it, so that's believe it or
not real sasquatch, scat deposit or who whatever you want
to call it.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
We got a question from Chat from mister Duffy eighty one. So,
Dan toff, how long did it take you to find
them once you assumed that they had moved up in
elevation and how long for you to find them when
you when you decided that you were going to go
ahead and follow them.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah. The first we'll going back what may a year ago,
may have last year. I started working an area near
Clark and stuff. You're welcome, mister Harvin, You're welcome. The U.
I went to an area near Sand Mountain near Clark, Colorado,

(37:57):
and that's where I had my first account or where
he actually stood out and peaked and looked at me
from a distance, and I saw him peak, he got out,
and the pictures that I took of him over next
two months were the same exact outline profile images and
three different spots where I'd picked based on Doctor Melram's input,

(38:20):
because I spent a lot of time getting taught and
groomed by Doc Meldram, and I did what he told
me to do and it worked. So if anybody's familiar
with the Freeman film, Paul Freeman's film from ninety seven
up there in Blue Mountains of Walla, Walla and the
big foot walks across in front of him and he
goes there, he goes, you're familiar with big foot stuff, Well,

(38:43):
Paul made some stills of that video that he took
in nineteen ninety seven there and the profile of the
creature that I spotted May a year ago for the
first time near Sand Mountain in Colorado fits the exact
same file of the Paul Freeman stills. And when I

(39:03):
showed that to Doc when he was with us, that
was a big wow. And so I saw him again
about three weeks later, same profile, and that's when I
started thinking, Okay, he's getting familiar with me or he
knows I'm here. And again I was pretty close to him.

(39:25):
And as fast as these things can be, you know,
like a brown bear, what do they say a brown
bear can be on top of you five six seconds
at one hundred yards. I think something like that. But
they never bothered me. So then I started figuring, you know,
based on just my training and my skill and stuff,

(39:48):
where's he moving at through here? So I figured he
was moving through that area and you know, staying away
from my campgrounds because there's a lot of people up
there in the summer. So I started checking these areas
where I he would be moving, especially to a water
source because you know, everything needs water, and there's a
huge creek that runs down that area, down into Columbine

(40:12):
and out through Summit Creek. And sure enough, that's where
we heard our first tree knocks August a year ago.
And then we started seeing tree breaks, and we even
had two tree breaks occur one night when we were
out within just minutes. We drove down the road heading
toward Big Red out there where they'd have the snowmobile

(40:33):
staging area in the winter out there at Columbine on
those logging roads that go back toward Big Red and
Hog Park in that area, and it was amazing because
it was got out of the truck, I said, I'm
gonna sit here tonight. And I was with a friend
of mine. She's a guide up there for twenty five
years doing everything he can dream of. And right across

(40:57):
the road where we were in the truck wound tree knocks.
We had four of them and they were We heard
him moving and we were like, we couldn't have been
no more than fifty feet from him. And I got
on the other side of the truck because I was
out of the truck walking on the road she was parked.
We had the lights off, engine turned off, and I
got on the other side of the truck because I thought,

(41:17):
I don't want him through something at me in the dark.
I didn't feel like getting in the head, hitting the head.
So during this period of time putting this all together
the best I can for everybody and sharing it in detail,
we found four tree breaks in the ensuing months that
summer year ago, and then it hit me. I started

(41:40):
plotting the tree breaks, and we found like nine of
them in a three month period, and three or two
of them occurred within minutes just driving by. We came
back and we're like, what, look, the trees broke. What
the hell did that? You know, it's like two o'clock
in the morning. So broke out a map with the
Circle mountains and the steamboat or the Hans Peak area

(42:01):
that I have in my collection my library and started
plotting these dagon things and I got nine of them
over three months, I think it was. And these nine
tree breaks made a straight, perfect line through the wilderness
right east to west. And I think I showed that
at the I think I showed everybody that at the

(42:22):
conference in May in my presentation. But you know, when
I thought, okay, I got these and I'm convinced that
they're using these tree breaks is like blazes, you know,
directional signals or a trail marker. And once I started
going in there in the winter when water in the

(42:42):
fall set in and the snow set in up there
in the Combine area, I found three really good, incredible
sets of big footprints that you saw that we shared
at the conference in May. So I started putting it
all together and I thought, I wonder if they moved

(43:04):
from here anytime? When I talked to Doc about it,
and he said, yeah, possibly because me and Doc talked
about a lot about them migrating or transitting as they
call it, you know, because I think a lot of
solitary bigfoot sightings that people have made out in the
open with them in the distances. Like Doc said, it's

(43:26):
probably just one movement from point A to point B
because it's ready to move to a new area, you know,
like other animals do. So I just got a wild
hunch and I thought, Okay, next summer and spring, I'm
going to see if they move from here after the
winter and head up that way, you know for the summer,
you know, just to move like other animals do. In Eureka,

(43:48):
moved up there in May and started working the encampment
Wyoming to Battle Lake and then over to Savory along
that route seventy it runs along the southern border of Wyoming,
and worked out all summer and had all these incidents occur. So,
you know, a lot of this has got to do.
I'm going to credit it. Like I talked to Doc,

(44:10):
I was in his laboratory with him July fifteenth, sixteenth,
just pretty much two months before he passed away, and
we discussed all this and everything. I don't have time
to go into it in detail, but the stuff that
Doc recommended that I do and taught me to do,
I did it kind of messed it with my seal

(44:33):
experience and everything, and it's really turning out to be incredible.
Clinton Wyoming this summer with the tree knocks. And then
in July, I got an overwatch place out there on
Highway seventy that runs from Battle Creek to Savory along
the border, and on this lookout you look down at

(44:56):
Battle Leak and there's a Thomas Edison monument there where
he got the idea while he was fishing for the
incandescent white bulb from the fiber on his cane pole.
It's crazy argument, but I go and sit there and
watch the lake at night. And in July, one night,
sure enough, this male stands up, comes out of the

(45:18):
trees and you can see him in the video looking
at me. He's huge and the size of him with
the pine trees. He's standing there looking at me. I've
got a night thermal on ATM and you can see
him looking at me. You can clearly see his huge
pointed head. And he goes from the right side of
the tree to the left and keeps looking at me,

(45:38):
and then he takes off and you got to see
the speed of him going through the trees. But the
thing about the video when you watch it on my
website on the big picture link, it's called tree Peak
or Medicine Boat or about of lake Medicine Boat. When
he leaves on the left side of the tree between
these two huge pine trees, you'll see if you watch
the edge of the tree on the left, real close

(45:59):
the back of the female because she's standing there, and
she turns and goes with him, so you can both see.
You can see them both take off. And then I
took off from that spot and figured they're going up
the creek, you know, up the gully to get across
the road. They're following the creek that dumps in there.
I think it's called Dome Creek, do O, A and E.

(46:19):
But I got up there and you know, they're there.
I didn't hear anything, or I don't know if they
were being quiet or nothing, but that's kind of stuff.
So I really started thinking, and I thought, you know,
this has got to be the same two putting us
all together from a year, year and a half it's
got to be the same two creatures that are, you know,

(46:40):
moving in that area and ranging.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
So Dan got two questions now, three questions now from Chat.
One is from James Harbin. Any comments on any other creatures,
dog men, Washington State, overseas covert black ops. Not sure
what that means, but any any interaction that you may
have had between anything, for example, in Washington State.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
The well, you mean during my seal career.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Or during big I'm guessing during your investigation into it.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Yeah, I haven't. I haven't been to Washington or California
because I'm in the past three years, I'm just working
on the Red River, New Mexico area, and the Columbine
area of Colorado and now the Battle Lake area of Wyoming,
and those are the only three spots. Like I said before,

(47:37):
we're not reactionary, and I haven't been to Washington, but
I plan on going to Washington next summer and also
California up in this years. I've got an area that
I want to work next summer for a while up
around the area of they call it Clipper Mills. Yeah,
Clipper Mills. But right now, I mean I haven't even

(47:59):
been to New Mexico since last year. So the last
year and a half, I've been focusing pretty much on
the Hanspeed in the Battle Lake, Wyoming area.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
That's where I've done all my work at Mister Duffie
ati one says, yeah, following the map. So I did
it and found them as well student of Utah Sosquatch
here from the old school, and then asked, do you
ever speak to them when they're near?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
No, I haven't done that yet because my belief is
I'm letting them do it first, because and I really am,
and if they do do it, and I'm basing that
on the years of study that I did in the
research of the analysis of the Rawn Moorhead Sierra sound tapes,
which I studied for years, and I even picked up,

(48:50):
like I told doc, if you really study the raw
Morehead tapes from the Sierras sounds, there's a phrase that
is very, very highlight prominent that they repeat a lot
in their language or verbiage in those tapes, and one
of them is huff why a while, you know, like

(49:10):
samurai talk. I picked up on that because I've learned
language linguistics and stuff as a seal too, and I
heard them a lot of times in the Moorhead tapes
say huff, why wow, huff, why wow, like that, and
then they say and you know, it's a samurai gibberish
that they throw around. But uh, I don't know what

(49:33):
that means. But I figure if they use it a lot,
it's got to be a common phrase or some type
of expression in their language. And I figure I figured
after a while listening the Morehead tapes, I heard that enough,
and I heard them communicating the way they did. And
during all that time that Ron was up there with
his friend, I also got the impression, irrefutably that these

(49:57):
things wanted to tear them up or kill him or
heard while they were up there that deep what fifty
something years ago doing their research there, they could have
easily done it, but they didn't. So that's another reason
why I am convinced that they're not dangerous. And I
she pissed them off. And that's another thing I agree

(50:19):
with mister Duffy too, the emotion of your voice, because
the animals just, to be honest with everybody, I've done
it since I was a kid. I do talk to
I talk to animals like I had a fox I
named Herfrida right there. I got video of her. She
got to the point where I'd be sitting in the
dark and she'd come up and sit beside me at

(50:41):
arms length in the dark and just sit there and
look at me. It's like, what are you doing? And
I talked to her like that, I go, hey, what
are you doing? She just sit there like a dog,
you know. So talk to Elk. I got some great
video on my website where I've got Elk and mule
deer males and a female coming right up to me
in the dark while I'm talking to him. I just

(51:02):
talk to him like I'm doing you and I go, hey,
like the moose, I called him Bullwinkle. I said, how
you doing? I hope you're not in a bad mood,
you know what I mean. And so, yeah, I agree
with you. Yeah, you let him know. I'm a firm
believer that if you talk to an animal in a
certain tone of voice, and I've seen a lot of

(51:22):
other people do it, you know, they know you're not
a threat. And if you talk to him like mister
Duffy was saying, you know, a good tone of voice
where it's amicable and they know you're not a threat,
you don't do anything to light them off, and you
kind of calm them down. I mean, you guys see
the video of the bull moose out in that meadow
there by hans Peak Lake that I took back in May.

(51:46):
It was nuts because I couldn't believe how big he was.
What'us how close he got to me and he sized
me up and he didn't do anything. I mean, he
just went saw the picture, he bed it down. So
y b I okay, A.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Right, well, it makes an interesting point, like you just indicated,
he kind of he says, he treats them like my brothers,
and I try as hard as I can to not
have any fear to prepare myself for another face to face.
So it animals as you indicate, and I think the
animals are pretty sensitive.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I get certain vibes off of human right, yep.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Well, it's just like we do. I mean, you know,
people get good and bad medium vibes from other people.
I mean all of this, I'm sort of had situation
in your life where you know you're around someone where
you're like man or woman either or you're like, yeah,
I don't know about this person, you know what I mean?
Or you know, hey, I like this guy or gal,

(52:50):
you know what I mean. It's just that sixth sense,
that instinct we have.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
We're talking to Dan Toff.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
He is the creator of this.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I'll put this up here the Bigfoot Investigative Group, but
that's the homepage up here, and you can find his
site at Bigfoot Investigativegroup dot com. We'll get into the
conference next year. But in the process, as we indicated,

(53:25):
doctor Meldrum passed away here recently, and in the process
of that, that's doctor Meldrum, that's myself with doctor Meldrum.
If you ever saw his presentation, and if there were
one thing, oh my god, if there were one thing

(53:48):
that I could have taken away from the conference that
I went to with you in May of this year,
was doctor Meldrum put on rough a two hour presentation,
an extremely deep, detailed go into the Patterson Gimlin film.
And I can guarantee any normal human, rational human being

(54:13):
convinced after watching that presentation and watching the deep examination
by an anthropologist of why it is that he believes
that this is an accurate video, This is not a fake,
nothing like that. I wish that I had had the
ability to film that and present it to everybody, because

(54:36):
I guarantee you, at the end of the hour and
a half two hours that doctor Meldram made his presentation,
you would have believed.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
And as as we said, sadly, doctor Meldram passed away
at the age of sixty seven one long ago, and
you created a really nice video. ID like to play

(55:09):
right now contribute to doctor Meldrum. So if I can,
I like to play play this right now and then
maybe you can comment afterwards. It's only about a minute
and a half. But folks, I think is very very cool.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Mh an incredible video and I think an incredible tribute

(57:08):
to doctor Meldrum himself.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I've never met him before except for that one day,
and I think I would consider myself go back up here.
I consider myself blessed to have met him.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
As we spoke before the show, sometimes you come across
educators or people that are very intelligent, their professors, their doctors,
things of that nature, and you can't really have a
good rational conversation with them. They can be they can
be arrogant and in any number of things like that.

(57:54):
Doctor Meldrum was extremely gracious giving of his time spoke
in a fashion that you knew exactly that he was
aware of all of his information, spoke from a viewpoint
of anthropology, explained in great detail about the type of feet,

(58:19):
the castings, the imprints, and here's why I believe that
it leads to this encryptid went into his numerous casts.
This guy was very giving this time, took questions. This
man was kind, gracious, intelligence, intelligent, and a great speaker.

(58:45):
Everything that you would want in someone who is giving
a presentation that you're interested in. And everybody that was
there and will be in the future next year, this
interested in all of that. It was a blessing and
I'm glad that we took that twenty one hundred mile

(59:08):
trip just to see him, for it was worth it.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, he can't say enough about him. I mean, in
the three years that I knew him personally, I got
to admit I've never he was beyond my Grandma used
to say when I was little, when they made you,
they threw away the mold. Sure, old school people heard
that one, and Doc Beldon was one of those people.

(59:37):
That's all I can say. And I'm still kind of
shell shock, being honest with you, that he's not with us, because,
like I said, I was with him at his lab
at Pocatello at Idaho State on July what fifteen, sixteenth
and seventeenth, even went out to dinner with him before
I drove back to Denver, and it was with his wife,

(59:59):
him and wife Lauren. So you know, it's just one
of those things that happened. It was a shock. And
thing is I'm going to dedicate what I do at
Big already made it clear to my staff and other
people that I'm going to continue doing this, and my
main goal and desire and impetus for this is to
get up close and personal with these creatures and interact

(01:00:22):
with them to some degree and document it where there's
some legitimate, valid, irrefutable and tangible proof that they exist.
I mean, and I'm sure that the way things are going,
I get the impression that with what I'm doing, based
on a lot of doctor Meldrine's input and teaching, training

(01:00:43):
and recommendation over a couple of years and working with
them like a lot of other people have, not just me,
but it seems like it's really moving in the right direction.
We're really getting incredible results, and you know, we're getting closer,

(01:01:04):
and I see the possibility in the development of that
possible interaction close and personal developing over a period of time.
So that's why I'm going to go back out there again,
because I guess they closed the road out there for
the winter, and I want to go out there a
couple more times before they close the road and it

(01:01:25):
gets like fifty feet of snow up there. We know
next March. So yeah, mister, yeah, I was at the
Bigfoot or the Bigfoot Days in April. I was. Yeah,
I had a booth there with my friend Pat. He's
on our staff too. You can see him on our website.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Here's James Harbin again says or asks can they or
are they? Or is there any kind of a history
of Bigfoot being violent? And yet perhaps another group rescuing
these people. My first guest is bigfoot Sasquatch are like humans.

(01:02:14):
There are some that are cranky and there are some
that are nights greatest.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yeah, the only incident that I'm aware of on those
lines it was, actually, if you I'm sure, I think
it's still out there, the Clipper Mills incident. I think
it happened like thirteen fourteen years ago, where a young
couple were going up to camp with their camper in
their truck and they had their boat and tow and

(01:02:44):
they were up in the seers and they broke down
and they were in the back of the camper in
the middle of the night and they were talking filming it.
You could see it was on night vision. They had
a couple of dogs with them, and you could hear
any with half a brain knows you could hear these
screams and howls and wailings in the distance. There's three

(01:03:06):
of them, I believe, and there are also some dogs
barking in the distance, and the dogs in the back
of the camper with the guy and the young guy
and his wife. She was she was actually sitting there
on the chair on the bed in the camper with
her night gown on, and you could tell she was
getting really nervous. And the dogs didn't make a sound.

(01:03:29):
The two dogs were just hunkered down, like you know,
gave me the impression like these dogs were saying, I
don't want any part of this shit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
And it what about it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
And that's the only one I know. And I don't
know of anything where they were ever attacked or anything
like that, so I don't know anything about that story,
but one that sounds familiar to it was the one
that he can still see it online. I think it's

(01:03:59):
on YouTube still, and you know, watch it because it's
a really incredible video, because I think they filmed it.
I recorded it in the back of their camper. I
think it was for more than an hour I remember correctly.
But that's the only one I'm aware of on those lines,

(01:04:21):
and I didn't know of anybody ever having an incident
like that where a young couple got attacked.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Well, let's talk about next year's conference that's going to
be in Quarta Lane. Yeah, we'll moving through the twenty
sixth and you're going to be here speaking. Larry Beans
Baxter is going to be here speaking, and Jonathan easily
right there speaking as well. Larry Baxter has his own

(01:04:57):
I can get this out here, has his own YouTube channel, yeah,
last one, and there he is also so he will
be at the conference next year. And then there's also
Jonathan Easley Western Bigfoot Exploration.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
YEP.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
I believe there's some information about him now at the
conclusion of this on Rumble. By the way, if you
miss all the information, if you go after the show,
wraps tonight, and I don't think we'll be there more
than about ten or fifteen minutes after this. After the
show runs, I'll hit the show links and put them

(01:05:41):
in the Rumble portion of this show. Go to rumble
dot com, then insert in the field Bz's Bersert Bobcat
Saloon Radio show on the shr media group. You'll find it.
I trust you you're smart enough, and you go there
and enter this particular show, and I will have a
link a list of all the show links. You can

(01:06:04):
go there and look at them at great detail at
your own convenience, and you'll find it only at Rumble.
You won't find it anywhere else on YouTube because I'm
not that smart, but I know how to make Rumble work.
There are a couple more photos that you sent, and

(01:06:25):
maybe you can explain some of these photos you sent.
This one, which is a really nice photo. As a
matter of fact, where is this and why might this
be significant?

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Yeah, that's the area in the range that I work
predominantly from that peak all the way back in the
Medicine Bow. That's Continental divide out there at the Continental Divide,
and it's a beautiful area it is. But that's looking
pretty much almost east and west for the whole area
that I scoured and worked doing all this this summer

(01:06:58):
from May even till now, because I'm going to try
to make a few more trips out there between now
and November when they close the road, because the locals
or even even the locals are opening up to me
now telling me that they've seen them, they've seen them
come out at the edge of the lake up there
when they're fishing and stuff. So that's the Continental Divide

(01:07:18):
between Battle and Battle Lake out there on Route seventy,
which that's right at sunset, one of my favorite I
thought that was a beautiful picture, so I snapped it,
And that's pretty much a good picture of what we
call our AOI that I worked this summer area of interest.
And that's a nice facility up there too, but that

(01:07:41):
Continental Divide tourist facility. You can take horse trailers up there,
hiking everything, and they've got some nice, you know, nice
parking area restrooms, you know, and it's the only place
out there you can get cell service, that one little bubble.
Anywhere else you go out there as well, unless you're

(01:08:02):
taking pictures and stuff, your cell phone's workless. But that's
Continental Divide Medicine Bow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Okay, and then what is the significance of this photograph? Beautiful?

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Well, I'd like to give everybody a little bit of
detail here and maybe you can help me with your
pointer and cursor.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I wish I could point it at this photo, but
it doesn't allow me to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
Dog on it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
All right. Well, this is the place where I took
the video in July of the male and the female
peeking at me. And when you look at the video
on my website, when you look at the video on
my website, Tree Peak or Medicine Bow, if you look
at the lake there and follow the water over to

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the right at the top where the shoreline, and then
you come down from the right side of the lake
and you see that little bend where it's green and
it looks clear behind the pine trees there, and it's
kind of like a faded green open area. See it
there on the right side of the lake. Okay, all right? Well,

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for viewers, when you come down the shore or the
bank of the lake there where it bends on the
right side, it's flat at the top and then it
bends like and comes down to the trees those little
that little pack of three or four trees there that
makes that gap right at the bottom of that little

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arch is where the male and the female were standing.
When you see him in the video, and when you
go down there and measure the height of that tree
where he was at, he was probably more than nine
feet mate to nine feet tall, because when you see
him between those trees and the video and the signature

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of him on my thermal on my website, you'll see
how big he is. And then he takes off with
her over to the left along behind the trees. But
I put that there just so you could see the
size of him. So if you remember that spot and
then look at him on the video, and I've got

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other bit of video and pictures of the same spot
with like animals, other animals walking through there, and when
you see the size of them compared to the video
the night that he tre peaked at me down there
with his wife, you excuse my friends, you're going to
go holy shit. I mean, look at the size of

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that son of a gun. He's big, which is where
I got the term big for the name of our organization.
So just use that as a reference and keep that
in your mind's eye from when you look at the
video that I made on the thermal, there you go.
That's that. So that's how Battle Lake and Thomas Edison
was fishing there, according to the monument, and he pulled

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some filament off of his cane pole got the idea
for making the light bulb from it. That's what the
monument says. It's crazy anyway. It's a gorgeous place. That's
a Battle Lake, and that's where that sighting took place.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
We're gonna the phone lines are open right now. Phone
line singular, okay, not plural. Good god, I'm not that excited.
I'm not that rich to have phone lines. Yes, I
have a bank of thirty phones for all the people
dying to call in. No, I just have one phone line.
So if you're interested, look at the bottom right here
you can call the names. It's eight three five three

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three two people. And in the meantime, what I'd like
to do is have Dan toff and again thanks for
being here. I'd like to have Dan talk to us
about what is coming maybe for next year, and maybe
you can tell us about Larry Baxter, maybe a little

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bit about Jonathan Easily and what you hope to get
out of the conference, the Big Bigfoot Investigative Group Conference
next year in Cordelane, Bajo in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Yeah, And the what we plan on doing is it's
going to be a three day event this year, starting
on Friday, July twenty fourth, and that night we're going
to have a social cocktail happy hour get together probably
at the Best Western Plus, and then on Saturday morning,
the twenty fifth, we're going to open the doors at

(01:12:37):
the conference room when we're holding the event at eight am,
and then start the event at nine am, and Larry's
going to speak first, and then I have a lunch break,
and then mister Easley will speak, and then I'm going
to speak last, and then we'll have a question and
answer session in the afternoon and then call it a day,

(01:13:00):
and then we're going to come back for the third day,
second day on Sunday morning, the twenty six, at nine,
we'll open the doors of eight again, start at nine.
But we're going to have workshops this year where you
can get with one of the three of us. You
pick out like going to a football clinic. You know
where you want to go, who you want to see

(01:13:21):
speak and We're going to do workshops with people to
do that for an hour or two, and then we'll
take a little break and then we're going to go
right into an open mic, big story time with the audience.
We want you. You have a three minute window, each
person will five minutes. We'll do about two or three
hours of If you want to get up and open

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mic and tell your story about an incident or a
sighting or event that you've experienced in your life, you'll
be able to do it on Sunday afternoon after the workshops,
and then we're going to have vendors there. We've got
a friend of the friends of docs that are going
to come up, I think from Pocatella, and we'll have

(01:14:04):
our stuff there. So it's going to be a nice event.
It's going to be fun. And Larry and Jonathan have
not given me the information on what they're going to
speak about yet, and that's fine because we've still got
nine ten months to go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
We got a while ago.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Yeah, but I'm going to do a review of what
I do every year. I just do a review of
all the highlights of all the video, the tree knocks,
the audio, the stills in the incidents, and the findings
that you know, I experienced throughout the year doing all

(01:14:43):
my work, So I just call it a big year
in review twenty twenty five. Yep, nice having you guys.
Have a good night. I see you're bouncing out of
here as they say, thanks for being with us. Yeah,
that's what that's what we're going to do. I'm probably
gonna get there and win day or Thursday just to
set things up and then plus have a little time

(01:15:04):
to relax and do what I want to do, and
then we'll have this thing July twenty four, twenty fifth,
and twenty sixth, and then it's going to be a
good lineup and we're going to miss Doc for sure.
Of course, you and you and your wife will be
there with a lot of other people. Are already getting
a lot of input and a lot of response. A

(01:15:24):
lot of people are saying they're going to come, So
it's probably going to be a pretty good crowd and
it's going to be a lot of fun. I mean,
it's high end and we're going to keep it that
way because it's just the impetus of the way we
do things at BIG And I'm not saying that didn't
mean anybody else. But you know, based on the caliber
of people with our background and the experience and everything

(01:15:47):
that we have involved in this thing. I made the
choice and the decision professionally when I started it as
the director and the founder and the president whatever to
keep it high end, and that's the way it's going
to be. So, you know, any big foot enthusiast or researcher,
anybody that's a curious layman, I highly recommend that you

(01:16:09):
come because we're going to do a thing for Doc
Melbourne too, to honor him, little memorial thing too on
Saturday morning when I kicked the thing off on the
twenty fifth. So that's it. That's the conference pretty much,
readers digest for next year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Okay, before we go back and go to your website
and whatnot, i'd like to have you. You're about to
wrap up the season, so recap what you're going to
be doing and where you're going to be going, because
sooner or later it's going to start some heavy snow
here and I've been hearing intimations to the effect that

(01:16:48):
this is going to be at least in the Pacific,
Northwest and northern United States. It's going to be a
wet year and it's going to be a cold year.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Yeah. Well, when I went up there last week, if
anybody's familiar with the area, when I drove over the
Snowy Range from Centennial, he dropped down between Saratoga and Encampment,
it snowed. When I was going through up there, I
was amazed. I mean it was a trace snow. It
was light, but still it was snow. And then when

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I dropped down on the other side of the snowy
Range heading toward Saratoga to head into Encampment, there wasn't
any snow. But when I got to my campsite last week,
it dropped down to thirty eight pretty sid Yeah, yeah,
it was pretty chilly. I was camping out there in
my sight, I mean, I carried a couple of bags

(01:17:40):
with me. I've done it, but I stayed out there.
Even had a black bear come up to my tent
last but whatever, I think Thursday night yet Wednesday night
last week, Yeah, and then that was pretty neat. Had
good tracks around my tent the next morning when I
got up, but he woke me up in the middle

(01:18:00):
of the night. But yeah, it's getting kind of chilly
out there, and they close the campgrounds for the winner too.
So if I go out there, I'll probably stay in
a lodge or a hotel close by and just drive
back and forth to the ao. So hi biokya.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Right, So the invitation is out and I'm here, I'm busy.
That was Dan Toff. Let me go here to the
website that Dan has and refresh your memory. Yeah, Bigfoot
Investigative Group Next year conference twenty twenty six, it's going

(01:18:36):
to be at the Best Western Plus in Cordelaine, Idaho.
I go there for the salad bar. I kind of
like the restaurant a lot, but it's a great place
to go. Got a pool, got a hot tub, got
a really nice room for the conference, A lot of
nice people there. It's Idaho, of course there's nice people there,

(01:18:58):
not like California. She so pizza and a parenthesis. So
everyone is invited. Now this is not the end of it,
because Dan Toff has an open ended invitation here in
the saloon. So depending upon whatever it is that Dan

(01:19:20):
discovers in the next week, two, three weeks, month or so, uh,
Dan's going to be back. And then of course we'll
have Dan on periodically to just talk about what's going on,
what's what's occurring in the Bigfoot community, any discoveries that
he's made, and of course to talk about the upcoming
b I G Investigative Conference.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
If we got to, if we have time real quick,
can you can you run that quick tree Peak or
Battle Battle Creek video? Is that possible?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Sure? If you tell me where to go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Yeah, go on the website up at the top in
the media link. Opened that up on the website like
you had.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
It pictures or files pictures media.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
It says media, right, and then click on that and
you'll see pictures. Okay, that's that's the video. Click on that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Let me put this up here now and then.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Just yeah, just scroll down to you see the tree
peaker one. You're labeled a little more. I think you
passed it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Go back?

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Okay, lord where did think?

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Go up a little bit more yours mule, deer, night
Moose encounter.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Up up a little up again?

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Yeah, there it is pree peaker. Okay, yeah, so this
is the tree.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
You want to see this?

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Okay, let me turn this down and you up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Yeah, there you go. There he is the red dot.
That's his head on the thermal and you can see
that's the spot in the picture with the shore right there,
that little dot, that's him. Watch now, watch him. He'll
go to the other side of the tree. He's gonna
and I'm changing it on my thermal so you can

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see the different spectrums. He goes to the other side
right about there he is and then boom, then he
takes off. See him take off, and then you see
the female go with him. There she goes. So, yeah,
that's that's the tree peaker. That's him. And like I said,

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that spot where he's looking at between those trees the
top of them, that's about nine feet He's got to
be standing at least nine feet there, just so you know,
it's incredible. So that's the three peaker video from July.
That's crazy. You can see how fast he moves. There's

(01:22:12):
nothing out there. Animals don't stand up right neither that
here's a bury to have a roundhead. You can see
his ears, you know, and you know what I mean.
But at that spot where he's standing in that video,
he's got to be at least eight nine feet tall. Easy.
That's the tree peaker from July.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
So well, again, thank you for being here. Thanks to
the people that were in chat. Thanks to the people
that we're watching live yeps on k l r N.
There are folks watching live right now. Thanks to all
of you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
You will be on again definitely, and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Unpleasant blind Guy asks a pertinent question. Will the talks
be video conference to the hot.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Room when in quarterly next July?

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Yeah, he's nice, dream, nice dream nice try. Yeah, I sadly,
sadly doubt that's going to be happening.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Any talk to your wife about that. That's funny, No,
that's that's funny. No, it's it's hilarious. So looking forward
to it. And I was really happy and pleased to
be on here again. I mean, bless y'all, and take

(01:23:39):
good care and look forward to seeing you again sometime.
I hope you enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Unpleasant blind Guy says, a man can dream, bro, a
man can.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Dream in this day and age. If you got the money,
they can set up anything for you tech wise. Just
about so sure, maybe you know, get a GoFundMe account,
make that app that I don't know in the hot
tub room. We got to remember that. Hey, it's a
great idea. Yeah, it's funny. That's a good sense of humor.

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So everybody have a good night.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
It was great being here, Dan Tof that was him,
Thanks for being here. Thanks to everybody for watching the
show tonight. I will replay it later. The podcast will
be available, give me about an hour and a half,
maybe two hours, and I will post the show both

(01:24:35):
on YouTube and on Rumble. And to all that we're here,
I thank you for your time. Unpleasant blind guy. A
lot of the people that were here were very happy
with the presentation because it's not a standard political show.
Appreciate the show, and thanks kindly to everybody for being here.

(01:24:59):
So I don't have any outro music. It's a different
kind of show, but I will say this everybody. I
will be here next Tuesday. And I'm thinking, because they're
so there's so much more politics going on these days,
I'm thinking about doing a show tomorrow night. If Jersey

(01:25:21):
Joe does not and or if he is here, I
may do a show on Saturday or Sunday, because all
this stuff is going VS VS VJ VS VS right
by my head and I'm I'm I'm dying of politics here, folks.
It's what I do anyway. On behalf of Dan Toff

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and Big The Bigfoot Investigative group. Thanks to everyone who
was here tonight. Everyone God bless take care, be safe,