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May 11, 2025 • 60 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You up, shake again you love?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, yeah, fuck you're quick.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I got my brother cleaning my.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Trip, come my body, candy, take the knuckle who had
never trust my love?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
You take?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
You got my brother, come leading my.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Cripping, come my come up the knuckle up and knock
who had never trust my love?

Speaker 5 (00:41):
My love?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, bless the fantasy and my killer in the face. Yeah,
broadly chicken while you're fronting none your pay? Yeah, rebel
gang blackfee Honey, that's a gang.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Tell my paper by my business. Fuckstane Fitch, I wrote,
try and sell me. I just grow, line them up
and knock him down. I treat the old like dawn
my nose, keep my fu call smiling, tired. I don't
make friends and fun my ths. Seen your claiming mistakes.
I pray your people get exposed.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
Let them know.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Anybody get better when I'm alone the shooters and better
than them. So I can't bring up back in the
second if I can figure yet to be ready for
this friend of my chemistring the matter packet and the
man and I'm looking when they told me to thee
when they put they put a drinking believe me chicking
another game and the window to the jumping, the ride
of the beat like raving the ass and I feel
like you with the pipe of the sixth im alive.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
But threes are the time, and.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm like, they see me here and I'm getting like
and the what was easy? We've never been broken up
with turn and the girls probably broke your clean. I
got my brother in my cot they cut my buddy,
can't be taken, knuckle up and nothing's so hot.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Never trust my love. I got my brother in my.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Tripping bout my bucket, come by that, the knuckle up
and nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm so hard.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Never trust my love.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
My love, I no by yess around me, bitch.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I got my brother.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
SI trust some motherfucker.

Speaker 7 (02:03):
All you niggas on the coover sick with niggas undercovers
beat and boosie bitches loverspoon the fuck with out a
rubber bitch mustake dad.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I'm gonna suck down. Don't play me fucking no, lady.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I got my gang of business.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Bitch, we do no spit boxing leaving stains a business bitch.
The blood sucker motherfucker.

Speaker 7 (02:19):
Show my fings and the business bitch gotta scope on
my ah. I'm blow ranging out the motherfucker want to
can get in and I'm gone. Fellows, take a minute
to get in the back of packing the back to
the back of the life. You notice fact that I'm
gonna give your pack of that strong niggas want.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
To people the game, but I'm a niggas a bag.

Speaker 7 (02:32):
Like the biggie soldie bitch, keep blowing my line, saidever,
no mind, and she can't wait to give me that
dog hump.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:38):
Ride to the little with the folk like a traveling
the mind like the blood like oh pass it this,
hide with your whole like she want to deep down
and the thought like.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Oh it is too easy. All of you niggas to bumma.
You're peasy fucking a round with one of my brothers.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I promise you niggas would never rest.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
The good evening, good even, good evening.

Speaker 8 (03:03):
How y'all feeling out y'all feeling out, y'all feeling out
there today?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
What's going on? What's going on?

Speaker 8 (03:08):
This is episode one A of Beyond the Beard, And
I say one A because the first episode didn't have
a chance to have my host with me.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
He's a good brother, y'all.

Speaker 8 (03:22):
A lot of y'all may know them throughout the city
from Live in the living Room. He does a lot
as far as you know, supporting the local music scene,
critique of music, giving advice, letting unknown voices be heard
through his platform.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
So present to.

Speaker 8 (03:42):
Some and introduce to others. Ali, what's going on with
going on?

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Are you feeling man?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
You're feeling man?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Good you feeling.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I appreciate.

Speaker 8 (03:55):
Coming through and agree to be this co host on
this platform with me. I reached out to you because
you know, I respect you, know your opinion. You level headed.
Ain't gonna be a whole bunch of bs and off
the beard, you know, right right right? And the big
you know what I mean, right, that's that's that's one.

(04:16):
That's one of the main things, you know. Yeah, So
if you want, you man, let the people know your
background with you into Ali versus.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
I am the host of Host and Creative Live in
the living Room.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I might see it on my shirt right here.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
We interview artists and entrepreneurs from the city like Mantega
Rebel here and we play a video game after we
come into my home, my actual living room, and we
chill play a game talk.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
You know what I'm saying things like that.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
I do music reviews quite often sporadically throughout the week,
so check me out. Every Monday night, we do free
music reviews from eight pm to nine pm on the
Uniting Levels of the Undergrounds channel on YouTube, so check
that out as well. It's an opportunity for you to
come in there and get your music heart. But you
only got one hour. So we do all kind of
good things, do all kinds of different stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
And I stream video games.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
Quite often, so you know, yeah, cool, cool, all right
at a local show, you.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Know, yeah, definitely definitely do this, and I do.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
That quite often.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
I just created I just made a documentary last month,
the first time I did anything like that. Shout out
to my boy three D three time Fresh Produce Beat
Battle Champion.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
We documented this third win.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
So cool. When is that? When is it?

Speaker 6 (05:37):
It's already out, It's already out, It's already done, like
twenty four thousand views on YouTube, so cool.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
What is it called again?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
It's called uh, Live in the Streets three times, Live.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
In the Streets three times. I'm gonna check that out
and check that out.

Speaker 8 (05:48):
So thirty five minutes, yeah, y'all take thirty five minutes out,
go check that out. Check you spent thirty five forty
five fifty five minutes scrolling through Facebook. Right, No, it's anyway, so.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Right, wit check that out and support that you say that,
no doubt.

Speaker 8 (06:02):
All right, So here again you know at beyond the Beard,
this is a this is the show where a conversation again,
as I said before in the description, that goes way
beyond a fade. So we're gonna get down to some
uh some subjects today. Well one topic today we're gonna
expound on that. So the first thing we're gonna do

(06:23):
is talk about a subject, uh topic that I that
I spoke with some other people about, and it is
what does it mean to be a man today? So
we're gonna break down some stereotypes and real strengths in
that in that area. And if anybody want to call in,

(06:46):
anybody that's watching and viewing, if you want to call in,
the numbers five one, five, five nine nine one six
eight seven five one five five nine nine one six
eight seven.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
So I goody asks you what does it mean to
you to be a man today?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Bro? Man? And for me, you know, like.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
The biggest thing about being a man is like taking
care of your family. For me, I didn't really have
the you know, the family dynamic. I mean, like, you know,
I know who my mom and dad is, but my
pops was already always in jail. Moms was always working
trying to take care of us. So you know, we

(07:24):
was with grandma and grandpa, you know what I'm saying.
And my grandmother and grandfather's like who raised me, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
So for me, the main thing is just being there
for your family.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
I know so many people that you know, got guys,
they got kids, and they just ain't in their kids' lives.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I know, things happened. I've been through a lot of
things where I wasn't there like I would like to
be in my kids' lives.

Speaker 6 (07:47):
But you know, even though that happened, I still had
a good relationship with my older kids, and from that
I learned, you know, it's just really important to take
care of your family, man, and be there for the Like,
I really don't give a damn.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
About nothing else besides the kids. You know what I'm saying.
That could be my keys, your kids, whatever kids is.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
Around me, man, I really don't give a fuck with
y'all talking about y'all get the fighting. Okay, y'all do it.
I'm the kids with me. I don't care about nothing else.
So for me, that's what being.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
A man is.

Speaker 6 (08:19):
I mean, it's being a man. There's a lot of things, yeah,
you know, we can go on and on for days,
but for me, the most important thing is just being
there for the kids, being there for the family. You know,
I'd be stuck on A man who doesn't spend time
with his family is and can never be a man.
You know what I'm saying, Michael corleone, Right, you know,
the godfather be a godfather, So I'll be stuck on that,

(08:40):
you know what i mean.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Like, you know, that's what it is to me.

Speaker 8 (08:45):
Yeah, you know, and then I look back sometimes, right
and I think I look at like some of the
examples that we had, like back in the day, and
it's totally different.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Than what it is.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, the batality of.

Speaker 8 (09:01):
The men that raised us back in the day, because
you had, like you would have like the men that
would really go out and work two three jobs and
break they back for their family. And you know what
I mean, right, and really, you know, show you what
the example of you know, what a.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Man is, and somehow that got taken away.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, but it's like.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
For me, Okay, so I've been thinking about something lately.
A workaholic it's really no better than a drug addict
or actual alcoholics because they become neglectful of the family,
of the children. And it's all I'm doing all this
to bust my ass and give you all these things.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
But what does it really equate to at the end
of the day.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
I feel like that thing is long go on because
for one, we don't we don't even have jobs to
do that, you know what I'm saying. It's like, we
do have jobs, but what kind of job? If you're
working two or three jobs, now, it's like a dead end,
right right. So and if you got a job that

(10:18):
makes a nice amount of money, it's no need to
work through you know, two or three jobs. So for me,
it's like a thing that I've been thinking about a lot.
It's just like, was it really that they was working
hard or did they not want to be bothered as
a man back then? You know what I'm saying, Because
there's a lot of Hey man, I be I'm around
my kids all the time, around my wife all the time.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's a lot, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
So I can understand and it might sound crazy, but
I can understand why some people mentally they probably can't
handle that shit and they run away from their responsibilities.
And one thing is like back in those days, the
way to run away from the response disability was to
have all these jobs.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Because before jobs, what.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
Did we do as men, like historically, what did we
do before we had a job? Well, Black people was
enslaved or damn near indentured servants, you know what I'm saying,
or some of them got to a point where they
had they form and they was able to work.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
But my point is that we actually had to go
out here and do the work. It wasn't no job
to go to.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
We tilled the land, we dealt with the animals, we
you know, we dealt with our family. We worked with
our family day to day. We don't do those things now.
So the family, you know, being.

Speaker 8 (11:40):
A man, then they had like a lot less and
was happy.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well because yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
And then we got to a point in society where
the man work work worked and I'm gonna buy this
house and I'm gonna give you this.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
And what happened. What happened? The wife fucking off on them.
The kids is spied, spoiled.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
You know, ain't they ain't doing what they supposed to do.
You got you got some that actually do you know
quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I won't deny it. You got quite a bit.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
But it's just what is really getting into this point
of being in this capitalist society where we work, work, work,
What has that benefit is benefited us as men? It
hasn't you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (12:23):
Yeah, because a lot of men we think like, Okay,
we get out here, we're gonna work, we're gonna do
all this, and we think, okay, we're gonna get the
money to be providing as long as the bills is paid.
But actuality, it's not even about that. Yeah, they don't
even care about that.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah. No, the kids.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
The kids, they don't care about time. They don't even
understand what the bill is. The kids, the kids have
more sense than us. Because the kids don't understand what
the bills are. How did we get to the point
where we're just like, we're going for this right, I
was gonna pay for this electric because we.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Want to have lights.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
But it's because we were part of this civilized society, right.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I mean, we could very well move off.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
To the country somewhere, we could do all the things
that people used to do rule, but you already done
had this life. There's no going back, you know what
I mean. There's like I can't take your kids away
from this and move them down to Farmington and get
a farm going. I mean you could, but you know,

(13:26):
this society ain't necessarily if you if you don't come
from that, this society ain't built for that. So I
just feel like all that has really taken away from
what what a man even has the power to do.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Now we don't have a lot of power like we
used to.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
When you say that, what do you mean, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Like over your family?

Speaker 6 (13:47):
How many dudes, how many men do you know that
really are the leaders of their family?

Speaker 8 (13:52):
I mean like for a lot of less real lot
like okay, so with me from my with my life.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
You know, a few years ago, when I was able
to quit my job and go full time streaming and
content creating and things like that, my wife was able
to go back to work. Her job was making double
what I was making, you know what I'm saying, So
it only makes sense and now I'm at the crib
and I'm taking her home, but I'm also doing my job.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
You know what I'm saying now, years ago, this is
frowned upon, right because it's.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Like, you know, but she out there and you're at home, right.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
But the thing is is that now, I don't know
the actual statistics, but I know it's way easier for a.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Black woman to get a job in America then there's
a black man.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
So we kind of put in this position. But the
thing is is that there's a lot of men that
are in that position. They ain't They ain't doing shit.
The woman out working, he taking care of home. He
might not even be taking care of home. I know,
I take care.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Of my home. I mean, you've been to my home.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
My home stays extremely fucking clean, you know, to have
two small children and things like that.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Now, other dudes, I can't.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
I don't know what they're doing, but I know that
it would be frowned upon twenty thirty years ago. But
here's the thing about it, though, it doesn't matter who's
doing what, the.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Man still supposed to have the lead.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
So with even what I'm saying, like we used to think,
we used to have a thing I used to like
title my streams the Way of the house Husband. It
was like a youth Netflix anime that I liked. It
was like a retired gangster, but now he's a house husband.
He'd be cooking these fire ass dishes. He'd kill you,

(15:47):
but he's a house husband. And that was my shit,
you know what I'm saying. So I adopted that like
for my stream dance for a while. And but like
I said, the thing about it is that even with
that me being at home mainly with the children, taking
care of the home, all those things, still doing my

(16:07):
job that I do with content and everything like that,
most guys in that position will not be in control
of the household because the woman goes out and she
works and now.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
She feels like because of whatever, she runs the ship.

Speaker 8 (16:22):
Right, Okay, So this is my question with that, how
do you how do you create that that?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
What's the leadership for?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Okay? Now, how do you how do you uh, what's
the word.

Speaker 8 (16:41):
Basically put your foot down in like how do you
how do you search yourself into that?

Speaker 5 (16:46):
If that?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
If that.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Trust like knowing?

Speaker 6 (16:52):
Okay, So when I say trust a lot of things,
a lot of people think trust is like, Oh, I
don't trust you because you're gonna fuck I think you're
gonna fuck off on me, like you're gonna go fuck somebody.
That's what we equate trust to, right, But no, can
I trust you with this money to pay these bills?
If I give you these thousands of dollars, or are
you gonna pay the bills?

Speaker 1 (17:12):
That's trust?

Speaker 6 (17:14):
Can I trust you to take care of the household
when I'm not around? Trust is a lot of things, right,
but just the fact of the matter of having the
trust that you will handle things. For instance, it was
a time we needed all we needed tires.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I was flat broke, but.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
I bought I bought like uh, I bought like six firesticks.
I jail broke them joints and we bought tires the
same day.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
So that that might sound crazy to people, but that
was she like, damn trusted, he gonna get he gonna
figure this out, like when we in a jam, he
gonna get us out of it.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Never never been without the life.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
It's never been without the gas, working and taking care
of my responsibilities. Not I don't go out the crib
like I don't go out drinking and shit, I do
all that at the crib.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
So all those things.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
That for me, maybe it's just because of you know,
that's how I am set up, But it's building that
she knows that I got her like And we went
on the family vacation where her people's and her and
her auntie got into it and her auntie wanted to
attack her, and I was like, nah, you ain't. That's building,

(18:33):
you know what I'm saying. She know I'm the leader.
And when she was trying, when I got her, Auntie like, nah,
you're not finna do that, and no, Auntie, don't like put
your you know, don't touch me. And she's coming forward
like oh, this, that and the other, and I tell her,
shut your ass up and go that way.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I need you to go that way.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
And she shut up and went that way because she
trusts my leadership. She know I'm trying to diffuse this situation.
But that is a lot of dudes. Ain't you gotta
be a man. You gotta step up to the plate
like a lot of dudes.

Speaker 8 (19:05):
But you got a lot of females. You got a
lot of females though that that won't even allow.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
And I'm not dealing with them. Me personally, I'm not
dealing with them. You know what other dudes gonna do,
that's on them. I'm not dealing with that. You know,
Like if it was a thing where it was like
that for us, we wouldn't be together. But yeah, I'm not.
I just can't deal with that. So that's also a
thing too, is like if you want to be a leader,

(19:32):
you got to look at who you try to lead
because everybody ain't going to allow that. You got a
lot of women that was raised by single mothers, that
been fucked over by dog ass niggas they whole life. Then,
and let's be real with you got a lot of
women that been molested by these men that these women
are brought into their lives and shit, even the others

(19:54):
they own family, you know what I'm saying. So it's
a lot of dynamics that go along with it as
to whether the woman is actually gonna allow you to
lead them or not. But at the end of the day,
I feel like it's all boils down to can she
trust you to get to handle the jams?

Speaker 1 (20:10):
You know what I'm saying. Like, if if you with a.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
Woman and she always gotta figure it out. She is
not Finna trust you, and you're not gonna lead her.
If she always got to figure out the bills, if
she always got to figure.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Out whatever whatever, You're not Finna.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
You're not gonna be able to because she feel like
she she got she gotta handle it anyway.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
So that's what I feel like it takes. You know
what I'm saying, You gotta be They gotta be able
to know you go handle ship and then they could.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
You know what I'm saying, when the time comes, you
gotta be able to lean on them to handle shit too.
But more than anything, if you want to be able
to get into that point where you gotta leadership, like
ro you gotta you gotta put your foot down.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I'm not going for that.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
You got what, you got a attitude for all that,
like cause see I'm being rich.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
And then you do that, But then that causes an argument.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
Now in my household, on't I'm not saying, may not
with you somebody, but.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah with others. But I'm not dealing with that. I'm
not dealing.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
I'm just listen, my wife be telling me and you
as a pimper your former life, because I'm not dealing
with none of that.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I'm not when I was younger. Maybe when I was
young I dealt with a lot. I dealt with a lot.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
If I didn't deal with the shit I dealt with
what I was in my twenties, I wouldn't everybody today.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
I'll be real with you. Understand, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (21:34):
But I definitely feel like what it means to be
a man now is totally different and what we can be, like.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
What we can even do as men. You know what
I'm saying, And I ain't man.

Speaker 8 (21:49):
I had a conversation with my lady like a while
back right now. I remember telling her like, even at
my age today, I'm still learning.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, you learned every day.

Speaker 8 (22:01):
You learned it too, I mean I know that, but
like even about what being a man is.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
Nod for real, like I be listen, I ain't go
lie to you. I got an eight and a six
year old. When my eight year old came around, when
she was born, and shit and started you know getting
you know, years on her I started seeing and when
my son came. When my son came, I really was like,
oh shit, I see it now, Like how important my

(22:31):
father not being there was my mother working how important
that was for me mentally, and like as far as
my confidence levels and things like that, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
And then it's like a lot of reflections shit.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Just happened from my kids, like just literally just being
in their presence and seeing them doing something, playing or
just reflecting on the movie, a show, whatever, and I'm like, damn,
I learned something about being a man, you know what
I mean, because like my pops didn't teach me all
my my example of a man, my example of a

(23:10):
man was my grandfather, John F. Holiday Senior. That was
my example of man. He was a hard working, stoic man.
He didn't say nothing. Wife used to nag him.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
He ain't.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
He'd snap off on her every now and again, but
he wasn't arguing with her. He was reading his paper,
he was drinking his cor like he was working. We'll
go to the country on the weekends, like every weekend
for a long time in my life, we went to
the country, and then like two weeks out of the
year we would go down.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
There for his vacation to just be in the country.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
And I see him chopping wood and fix the things,
and you know, just every morning getting up at the
crack of dawn going out and doing something.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
So that's my example of him man.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
And see that's what a lot even me, like I
didn't have that type of example. I didn't add that
type of example my example. Like if I got up
early in the morning, it's because my pop woke me
up early in the morning to go help him go
break into some shit and steal some shit. Not see
that I'm not really knowing at that time what the

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fuck is going on?

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Now?

Speaker 6 (24:19):
That was my other, I mean, my other example of
the man because my father, that's the type of shit
he was on. Like my father, I swear to god,
one night it was fucking I don't know, midnight, one
am something.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
My pops got a call. This was the eighties.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
Coke, you know what I'm saying, Era, I'm talking about
every drug that came through the city. He was one
of the first motherfuckers to have it. I'm talking about
when motherfuckers was dipping more cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
He had it.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
Coke, he had it. He had everything. So you know,
rerun Fred Barry's.

Speaker 8 (25:00):
You live on alburd down the street from my cousin.
Man on God, the big ass pig house on Guy.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
One night, my pops took me like, woke me up,
got me in the car.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
We rolled.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
I remember going across the bridge because the lights, you
know what I'm saying, And we stopped somewhere off and.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
He woke me up like this this rerun straight.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
So that was the other example, Like you know what
I mean, I seen all that too. But my example
of like a hard working man, it was my grandfather.
If it wasn't for that, you know, yeah, it would
be probably.

Speaker 8 (25:36):
Then example that I had of that that I wish
I would have had in my in my biological father
was my father, Reggie, God blessed the dead, and by
that time, like I was already setting my ways. But
he taught me a lot, right, you know what I'm saying.
That's and that's the man I called my father. You
know what I'm saying. He taught me a lot. And

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it'd be a lot of times even today, Bro, I'd
be like, Damn, I wish I could call this man
and talked in when I have issues, Like when I
have issues and don't know how to don't know how
to address him or how to you know, approach a
situation or how to resolve a situation. He was the
one I could always call and talk to him. He'll
give me that direction, right right, So this look, trip,

(26:25):
this is what you need to do, right or what happened?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
What did you say? And what did she say?

Speaker 5 (26:30):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well, this is where you fucked up at This is
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (26:33):
And at least you had somebody that did that, because
there's so many of us that don't even have that,
you know what I mean, Like they just all the
way far gone. Like my pops was robbing, I'm robbing.
My pops was selling you know.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
What I'm saying. And my posts was doing all that
like he was robbing.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
Crap games, he was selling dope, he was doing everything,
you know. And then shit my whole life in and
out the penitentiary of the workhouse. And then when I
was he went to the penitentiary and he ain't come
out until I was like twenty. When until I was twenty,
I remember, because I got married.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
When I was twenty. Should have never done that, but
I did. I did. I'm too young looking back and
would never encourage that.

Speaker 8 (27:19):
But yeah, and it's there there there when I like
I said earlier, there has been generational shifts in masculinity, and.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
It's it's like.

Speaker 8 (27:35):
M hmm, like a lot of women today have taken
on their head roll in the home. Yeah, a lot,
a lot and not saying that. You know, there's nothing
wrong with that. Women as women can definancomen wrong. Women
are strong as hell. And and I give a lot

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of respect to you know, single moms who whom making
it happen.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Now when it's a single mom, they kind of you know,
they have to do that.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Speaker 8 (28:06):
Well even when even the ones that got if you
got some, they got niggas that live in the house
with them that won't help them.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
With should he shouldn't be in the house.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
That's why I'm I stand on that, like he shouldn't
be in the house. Like I be saying a lot
of a lot of pimp ass shit, but I'm gonna
tell you, like, he should not be in the house
if he's not doing anything. You know, I don't care
who's making the money as long as we living because
the truth of the matter is is that the women
could get the jobs. You know what I'm saying. They

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just when it comes to the black women me personally,
I'm talking about black women. They can get the jobs
a lot of the times, the higher paying job easier
than the black man. Black man, go get a job.
You can go get a job at the warehouse, be
a laborer, but show back for fifteen to twenty dollars.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
You know what gets me though, there are a lot
of black men that are qualified and have the knowledge
to do certain jobs, but the ship that they've done
in their past hinders them from there.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
This is true as well. This is true as well.
But also I be I mean like I feel like,
is it really is it?

Speaker 6 (29:12):
Is it that there's hindering it them or they're not
taking the advantage of the systems set in place, because.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
See, I see a lot of dudes. When I was working.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Now, I haven't worked about this, should have been about
four years now, three four years now maybe, But when
I was working, I was working in.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
A plastic manufacturing company and we get a lot of temps.
A lot of guys was temps.

Speaker 6 (29:36):
A lot of these guys was tempts because they was
feelings whatever whatever. And I see a lot of them
that took care of that took advantage of certain things.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
And they would get good jobs. Like my father was
one of them. He got out of jail.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
He had did he had did like good ten years
and he came out getting pretty good jobs. But took,
you know, advantage of certain things while he was in
there to be able to come out and get those.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah. So I mean, and then it's just like.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
The beach to be honest, do you you don't want
to work for the way just that you're getting, like
you know, like it's still jobs that's paying twelve thirteen, fourteen.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Dollars an hour for a lot of work. Yeah, like UPS.
I would. I used to work at UPS.

Speaker 6 (30:26):
When I worked at UPS, they was paying me ten
dollars an hour. I was only getting like four hours
a night, and I was breaking my back for that
ten dollars an hour. It's not worth it, So I
mean it just for me, Like it's like jobs, are.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
You gotta figure something else out?

Speaker 6 (30:48):
You know, like not illegal, something legal, but you gotta
figure something else out, Like you gotta get something else
going because jobs this ain't where it is.

Speaker 8 (30:56):
You see a lot of men though, they they.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I'm gonna speak for me. Right when I got out
of the Fitch, like.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
I tried it, tried it working. Yeah, yeah, Okay, tell
me about the experience. How did you fish up? Yeah,
you felt like you feel like a slave?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I mean, and then when.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
You come but I knew I couldn't go back to
what I knew.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
Yeah, you couldn't go back to that because you know
what you face. But the thing about it is, but
I'm good at you got so many but so how
do you translate that to something else?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Exactly right?

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Right? But the thing is that you got so many guys,
it's like just like you like, I'm really good as well.
You know, I'm really good at selling stuff.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
But what I did, shit, I kept in my mind,
like I know for a fact, if I get caught again,
this is it.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I am no choice.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
But you know some people were willing to take that risk.
But it's just like is it?

Speaker 8 (31:57):
But but after living life on life term as they
call it for so long and not getting no results, right,
I eventually relapsed and went right back with.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
What you know. And then there's also the thing of
like the.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I had to live man, you know what I mean,
it's just like still.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
A certain type of lifestyle, right yeah, because of the move,
because of the money that you you know, you like
nice clothes, hatshoes, all that shit. So you gotta have
the money to do that. Working a fucking fifteen dollars
an hour job ain't gonna do that, you know. I
do feel like the opportunities are limitless, but I do
also know that the challenges that we're faced with inner

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cities is like, yeah, you can do that, but man,
I gotta fucking not get shot getting to there, you know,
whatever the challenges. Maybe it's like I know the challenges
that the all, but man, you don't.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Black men don't want to work.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
Like when when people be talking about music, right and
they say, well, I don't understand why this person.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Don't just go full force with the music.

Speaker 6 (33:07):
Well, they're making money do or what they do, So
the music is like the fifth thing on their mind
because they actually making money here.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Until the money into the music.

Speaker 6 (33:22):
Outweighs the money that they're making in the streets, they
don't give a fuck about it. I tell people that
all the time. They say, I don't understand why. I
don't even understand why they're in the streets because they
ain't making no money off their music.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
If they were making money off the music, they wouldn't
be in the streets like that. Biggie's a problem example.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
You know, Biggie said he had a hard time with
his second album because.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
What the fuck am I? Tope?

Speaker 6 (33:43):
I like, I got money now, you know, so the
challenges that I had faced before. You know, he's made
a pretty good to take an album. But the challenges
I faced before ain't the same. So it's kind of
tough to really put this next foot forward because I
got money, I ain't living like I was.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
What am I talking about now?

Speaker 8 (34:04):
A lot of people who if you start talking on
that level, you're gonna lose a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
They're not living like that. They can't relate, right.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
But that's what's crazy about that is is though, how
the fuck did we get to this point where we got.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
All these rappers who talk about.

Speaker 6 (34:18):
All this money they got and you got none and
you relate to them? You see what I'm saying, Like,
how how do we get to that point?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
It's everybody faking it till they make it?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess, I mean.

Speaker 8 (34:37):
I guess that's just what that's what that part is.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I guess.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
So, but it's just like, I don't understand how we
got from from you know that to this where that
would be sean you got you got so much money.
Let me let me help you out with that. Take
a little bit from you. Yeah, yo, need to at all,
but you know we don't have that. It's like, you

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know what what it means to be a man now?
And the reason why the dynamics of what it means
to be a man now it's changed is because of
a lot of things just different, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
And now all the all the.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
Things that I could say about that, they are extremely
fucked up, but it's just the truth. Like it's okay, disclaimer,
it sound crazy, but man can't put his hands on woman,
no more so a woman.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Don't fear that nigga put your hands on me. I'm
calling the police.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
Back in the day you did that, I mean, we
got shows, bro, why I order you know know what
I'm saying, Like you know, and and and if he
if you put his hand on the back in the day,
she called the police, well you.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Should have been. Not you shouldn't have been. You should
have shut up. And you know it might sound fucked up,
but you know what you mean.

Speaker 8 (36:01):
Back in the day that type of ship happened. Women
wouldn't really even call the police. They'll fight your ass back, yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:06):
And it'll just be that, well, yeah, in our community,
it would just be that.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'm gonna tell you what, Like in our community, what
destroyed the man.

Speaker 8 (36:16):
I seen my uncle knocked the ship out, my aunt
a few times.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
They drinking and get drunk.

Speaker 8 (36:21):
And that's why that's why I don't drink.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Now, bro, I feel it's part of the reason.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
Why I don't drink, very seldom, very lightly when I do.
But now, like it might sound messed up, but that's
a big part of it. I feel like it's the
fact of the matter that, you know, we have so
many restrictions, like you can't discipline your children.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
You can't discipline your wife.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
As much as it might sound fucked up, you can't
discipline your wife. And in the Bibles, in the Koran,
all these things, it speaks about discipline your children, it
speaks it speaks about disciplining your life.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
It speaks about you being the head of your household.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
And those things have been stripped away because of society,
societal norms, you know, and my black women falling into feminism,
which was never a thing for them. You know, we
can get into some you know, deep reasons as to
why the dynamic of what a man it means to

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be a.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Man now has changed.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
You know what I'm saying, Man that work hard Like
that you're talking about our examples of man of.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Men that you know, well you didn't never really have it, but.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
You have someone that you know, your stepfather, that you
really consider your pops for me, my grandfather. Nowadays, those
men get cheated on now they was back then. They've
been getting cheated on, and men being figuring out that

(37:57):
children ain't theirs for a long time, for a long time,
whether they was admitting it or not. See, we got
we had marian and DNA tests and scientific ship.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Now they could really say, yeah, that ain't your kid.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
An you call it a dana.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Take a dana.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
Damn take that data the DNA test. Nay. I encourage it, man, Listen,
I encourage it. Man, I damn feel like they should
almost be bad to toy with the way this's this,
you know, things is set up, man, you do go.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
I also felt like even and this is I used
to say this back in the day, right because I
used to hang around you know, in New York is
a bunch of fipercenters.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
My man Justice used to always tell me, like welfare
is like.

Speaker 8 (38:57):
They insert themselves into your home to make them themselves
like the man in your house.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Well yeah, they took the bed of what That's another
thing too.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
You know what I'm saying, you got to depend on
me for the money. I gotta get the bed of
the household, right if I give you this.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Because if you if you got the if the bed,
got the children that he applies for food stamps of
bad care, get them. But the water k be of
the house. Same thing, so they break up the family
with that. Now why was the welfare system devised? Why
was that devised?

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Do you know why to be leaning on? Do you?
But do you know the reason it was? It was
devised so that.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Farmers, majority white farmers, could get supplemental income for the
families when the off season they can't make no money.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
This system was devised for white folks, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
But they don't have the same like they didn't have
the same type of criteria. But then you know, once
once the seventies came around, like y'all look at it
from a historic aspect when we talk about why men
ain't what they was right, because in the Vietnam War, well,
black men started fighting in wars for America all the
way back in the Civil War, right, but in the

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Vietnam War, men went to war and they came back
as drug addicts, as heroin addicts.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Black men came back as heroin addicts. White men did too.

Speaker 6 (40:34):
But when you know, and then when those guys went
to war, a lot of the women started getting on welfare.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
When he came back from war, he couldn't go home
because welfare wouldn't allow it. You can't have him there.
So where he go? What we do?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Now you're in the streets.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Now you're on the streets. Now, got he dope sick?

Speaker 6 (40:57):
So he go don't figure out how to get his
dope because he dope, see it, and he been over
there getting that good dope because it's pure, like right
off the plane. It was right there.

Speaker 8 (41:07):
And that's the worst. That is the worst type of
and I know this from experience.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
The worst type a man to be around is a
man that's.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Dope, all bad, all bad.

Speaker 8 (41:20):
Listen, because you did this, dude can grow up with you.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
The right hand.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Man he's a different person.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
He's gonna stab you in the back.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
It's no better.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
He's gonna stab you in the back.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Don't matter what you say.

Speaker 8 (41:34):
Dope, sick it don't care to get that off of you.
It don't matter who you are or what you got. Like,
if I see it, if I needed to get this
above me, I'm taking it. Yeah, I'm gonna ask you
first if you act like you're gonna give it to me.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Not a problem.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Facts for real, I haven't seen that, say that too, Yeah,
I just seen.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
But yeah, it's when we talk about what it means
to be a man nowadays and how has changed. It's
so many things that are have led up to this,
you know what I'm saying, Because then after that, what
you had, you had, you had, you had the heroin epidemic,
and the only thing you really had fighting at at
the time was.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Like the Black Panthers. Then they got broke up and
all them guys became gang members and leaders.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
They all created games. Colors spread the gang culturation wide.
Crack spread the game culturation wide. Because the gangs had
the crack and they brought it to the cities all
over America.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
What would you say is the the biggest I don't
know how can I say this? What what is the.

Speaker 8 (42:53):
What is the most extreme way too masculate someone?

Speaker 6 (43:00):
To emasculate them the most extreme way? Fuck, I don't
know the most extreme way. I mean, I think we
see it all the time with in the entertainment industry.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Well outside of that type of shit.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
I don't know how what do you feel like it's
the most extreme way to emasculate it.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I just think takeaways means to make money. I feel
like it's the main way, right, I.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Mean, not allowing you to get ahead or like.

Speaker 6 (43:38):
The best time to be the best time for a
black man in America was the nineties as far as entrepreneurship.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
I feel like Reagan was letting a hitting.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
Well nineties was like Bush, well, yeah, that was Bush
at the nineties. But just the fact of the matter
of you know, how you seen black culture at that time,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
With the music, with the movies, with the you know, more.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
Black people getting into directing and being able to you know,
be in the spotlight and things like that. But at
the same time, a lot of that shit. It helped us,
but it hindered us. Too, because I feel like we
got boys in the hood, we got minutes to society.
Minute society is fucked up. It's not a movie to

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be glorified. But motherfucker's nine times out of ten from
the Hood, which was men's society, old boys.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
In the hood. That's a problem, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
And so like a lot of the things that we've
been fed through media and.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
All kinds of things have led up to this, you
know what I'm saying. I feel like the rabbit hole
on that could get really deep for real.

Speaker 8 (45:05):
Ship ship but yeah, yeah, you know again it's it's
just to me, it's it seems like.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
With with the with this topic, it.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
Goes, it's so much, so many layers to it. But
at the end of the day, I think, you know,
it depends on your strength, your will power, m your
determination too to assert yourself.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Facts. I feel like too many of our bed are assertive.
They're assertive in the wrong ways for the wrong things.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
You know, they will assert for some bullshit, but they
will assert for you know, the right things. That's just
what I see a lot of a lot of times,
Like you know, also, a lot of.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Men have been raised by single mothers.

Speaker 6 (46:04):
So they've been really seeing is like the feminine side,
you know, And I don't think it's necessarily nothing wrong
with that, but you have to have some type example
of what it is to be a man in your corner.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
You know what I'm saying, for the outcome.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
To be, you know, for you to be a strong man,
like for you to have the mental for the two
things like that, because like you know, if you if
you raised up.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
By mom, and every time shit go wrong, she cried.

Speaker 8 (46:38):
Right, you just gotta be like you just gotta be
careful of who I wish I would have known this
earlier in life, to be careful of who I chose to.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Uh, I don't want to say idolized.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
But.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Look up to or but but she like the ship
that I was, the ship that I was looking up to.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
But you ain't had nobody telling you that wasn't right though,
That's what I'm saying, Like you ain't nobody to like
for me.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
I have.

Speaker 6 (47:08):
I have my grandfather at least, you know what I'm saying.
I seen him go to work every day, see him
come home every day.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
He wasn't he ain't go to no bars. He didn't drink.
All he drunk was coffee.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
He smoked cigarettes, read his newspaper, watched the news, might
watch a few shows, go to sleep, go to work.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
That's that's what he did.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
That's like me now.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
Weekends he go he looked Friday night or Friday, go
to work, get off Friday evening, drive to the country,
hour and a half away, chill for that night, go
to work Saturday morning, doing shit around the property. Do
work damn there all day Saturday, get done like he
really like, he working the job. Bro, do the same thing.

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Few things on Sunday. We get out of there in
the afternoon.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
That was his life, bro.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
So at least there was that. But if you only
have like you know, your father teaching you or whoever,
you don't have to. You know, some dudes don't even
have no father like to even teach him how to
ride nothing.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
That might sound fucked up, I did it. I get it.

Speaker 6 (48:18):
If something don't even got that, the only thing they
got is the street.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I know a lot of cats that they ain't have
nothing but the streets.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 8 (48:31):
Yeah, man, I just wish though. You know, again, you
just gotta be careful.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
That's what. That's why I want my thing. My thing
is to make sure that I make all the right.

Speaker 8 (48:43):
Decisions because my son be watching everything I do.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, now that's the thing, Like.

Speaker 8 (48:53):
I just want to make I just want to make
the right decisions and just try to lead the best
example with him.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
Like my oldest son, when he was in his teens,
he was wilding. You know, he had to weed, he
had the glock, you know, all the you know the.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Shit that young niggas do.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
And that was kind of like, you know, I was kind.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
Of worried about it, but I wasn't too worried about it, cause, like, shit,
the same shit he was doing right right, you know,
he in the same neighborhood, man, what's from you know
what I mean. Ain't the same as it was back
in the nineties, but you know, they still got the
same type of things. And then like even though I
wasn't in jail and his mom ain't together, you know

(49:38):
what I'm saying. So like, and then you know, like
I was telling you before, it was a time I
was living in Indianapolis, so he was there, and then
he moved back here, so I wasn't with him.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
It was just a lot going on, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
So but he now he twenty five going on twenty six,
life all the way on track design and clothes styling
motherfuckers for videos. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
change life. But that's because of me being there, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
You know.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
And then like my young son he's six, Like you say,
watch everything, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
I came down there, I damn there, can't even play
the game, would like do he gonna I don't.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
He's gonna watch, you know what I mean, Like I
can't just play the game, Gonna watch. If he can't
play the game, gonna sit down and watch me play
the game.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Like that's what he's young.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
Yeah, And it's like they really watching and it's our job.
It's like the realization this is the thing that's different
about our generation of men. I will say this, the
realization of the importance of being a father. Now, that's
the that's the regardless of all the other shit about

(50:50):
who's taking lead and who's doing this and masculinity or whatever.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I do feel like.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
Guys really are taking the response ability of being a
father now more seriously than in the past.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
The guys that I know.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
Now that don't get me wrong, it's still some dead
beat out here, of course, but I don't know them.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Guys Like all the guys I know, they really like
fucking good fathers, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (51:19):
So, and not to say that fathers weren't good fathers
back in the day, but again, what I'm saying is
that what we thought being a good father back in
the day was, or being a good man was, is
just making money, working work and working bus And I
asked to give you all these things and this, that
and the other.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
And I really don't feel.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
Like that's a benefit to who we are as a people,
because you know, we we don't.

Speaker 8 (51:48):
Really we miss out on so much just by making
that the main focus.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
Yeah, yeah, you miss out on like being there, just
being there, you know, you know, like you fucking if
you work twelve hours a day, you're not there. You
don't see the kids at all. You know, they sleep
when you get home, you don't see them in the
morning when they go to school, you know what I'm saying. So,

(52:13):
like it's like, yeah, we get off, we got all
this stuff, but I'd rather have my dad.

Speaker 8 (52:20):
And that takes a toll on takes a toll on
the relationship as well, not just with the kids, but
with your partner.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
Yeah, Like you know, like I had a conversation with
my mom about this before, Like I told her, you know,
I appreciate her working hard to provide for us and
things like that, but I would have much rather we
had less, a little bit less.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
And she was there more.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
And then also it became a thing like she started
getting her she started making money, and she started doing
what she wanted to do, which was travel, you know
what I'm saying. Which can't fought nobody for wanting to
travel and see the world. But uh, you know, we

(53:10):
could have we could have done some things like I
was never able to play basketball or any of the
things that I really wanted to do because I had
to be there for my little brother. So I feel like,
you know, we understand that as parents more like nobody
was there for us, so we got to be there

(53:32):
for the kids. I feel like that's the main difference
about being a man then and now, because a lot
of the times I don't feel like the women or
the mothers that they used to be now. But that's
because you know, like the role reversal thing you kind
of brought up earlier, Like you know, women being more

(53:53):
in a dominant lead and role being more masculine and assertive, you.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Know what I'm saying. That's why, like a lot of
times it's.

Speaker 6 (54:02):
Hard for a man and a woman to be in
a relationship because she's so damn dominant assertive and he's
so damn dominant in assertive that they always gonna bump
his because she don't know how to just be soft,
like she don't know how to really be a woman.

Speaker 8 (54:21):
And I've seen a few people had that same discussion
or issue.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
I mean, I've dealt with women like I dealt with
a woman one time.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
She was a single mom. She had like three kids.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Mine beat me, she beats you, he beat me.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
She had three kids, And I was like, this ain't
gonna work out because you just kind of like are
used to having kids and I'm not one of your kids, Like.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Yeah, kind of talk to me and I'm dominating you dominant.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
That's just period, point blank, what it is in the discussion. Yeah,
it's plus she was in New Yorker too, that.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
That made it worse all types of crazy, but.

Speaker 6 (55:06):
She was actually cool people. But it was just she
came off too strong in certain type. But it wasn't
really even that she came off strong. It was like
I noticed that we was arguing when we agree, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
But we arguing about it, like we agree? What what
do we what are we doing? They like that.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, they'd be like, nah, this ain't gone.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
You know, they don't be like that.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
That's crazy.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
So I think, you know, like that goes back to
what you were saying as well, like you've got to
be well, well, I don't know if you might have
been saying something else, but I'm going to say this,
You've got to be careful with who you pro create
with and who you You.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Know what I'm saying. If it ain't working, like let
it go, man.

Speaker 6 (55:53):
You know what I'm saying, Like a lot of times,
motherfucker be trying to force situations and nah, don't do that.
That ain't that Ain't that means now you're stuck? Nah,
that ain't what it means.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, Yeah, okay, cool, that's weird.

Speaker 8 (56:18):
Al Right, before we get out of here, we're gonna
play this commercial. All right, everybody come out and need
everybody if you can come out May thirty first to
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Speaker 2 (56:34):
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Speaker 1 (57:37):
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Speaker 8 (57:46):
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y'all please come out and support that as I have
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last week?

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Think it was last week.

Speaker 8 (57:57):
And it's a pretty decent production thing putting on. Man,
it's something that is gonna resonate with a lot of people,
whether it be in your personal life, relationship, friends, family,
whatever the case may be. It's a deep story. So
I highly suggest people come out and support that before
we get out of here. Manything you want to say

(58:18):
to the.

Speaker 6 (58:18):
People, Hey, man, I just appreciate everybody for tuning in.
I appreciate you for giving me the opportunity to be
a co host with you.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
It's sure.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
I like the direction this is going.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah, appreciate it. Appreciate it again.

Speaker 8 (58:32):
You know, we're gonna have some people up here as
as guests that are going to raise that, you know,
ruffle a little feathers or something, but it's going to
be all in good intellectual conversation and geared towards pushing
each other in the in the right direction.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
I love the fact of the matter that we was
able to just have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
You know, always you know a good things.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Right right, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 8 (59:04):
So I appreciate everybody that was watching and tuning in
and listening. I thank you all for tuning in tonight
to beyond the Beard. We will be back next week
to see you guys again. Till then, everybody, stay productive,
stay prosperous, help one another, stay peaceful, stay safe, cut
out the bs till next week.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
See y'all later.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Hell up, shit again, he.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Up, ye, fuck your quick.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
I got my brother in my cutting, my buddy.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Fat, knuckle up my take. You got my brother.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Come come, my fucking come on, get it beat not
keep the knock A lot in the fly hasso heard
how the nevers my

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Lock came my lock yet
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