August 8, 2025 • 28 mins
On today’s Bible Answer Man broadcast (08/08/25), Hank talks about a conversation he had with his daughter, who is attending college. While explaining that morality is not dependent on God, one of her liberal professors invoked the Euthyphro dilemma. Not knowing how to deal with this conundrum, she went to The Complete Bible Answer Book Collector’s Edition and was able to answer this objection. And in doing so, stressed the need for apologetics on college campuses.
Hank also answers the following questions:
Is the lake of fire different from hell, or are they the same thing? Timmy - Austin, TX (5:53)
Did Satan want Jesus to go to the cross or not? Did he know God’s plan? Ryan - Memphis, TN (9:02)
Where did God come from? David - Fresno, CA (15:13)
Why doesn’t the Bible mention anything about Jesus nursing? And why does the Bible say “ashes to ashes, dust to dust” if we don’t come from ashes? Serena - Lakewood, CO (19:33)
An atheist I am talking with says the Genesis account is flawed because light was created before the sun, moon, and stars. Is there an answer for this? Phil - Columbia, MO (22:01)
Hank also answers the following questions:
Is the lake of fire different from hell, or are they the same thing? Timmy - Austin, TX (5:53)
Did Satan want Jesus to go to the cross or not? Did he know God’s plan? Ryan - Memphis, TN (9:02)
Where did God come from? David - Fresno, CA (15:13)
Why doesn’t the Bible mention anything about Jesus nursing? And why does the Bible say “ashes to ashes, dust to dust” if we don’t come from ashes? Serena - Lakewood, CO (19:33)
An atheist I am talking with says the Genesis account is flawed because light was created before the sun, moon, and stars. Is there an answer for this? Phil - Columbia, MO (22:01)
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Thank you much.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Randy is always great to be in the studio as
we answer your questions throughout the United States and Canada.
Having a conversation last night after work with my daughter.
She's going to one of the great universities in the
country and the teachers are extraordinarily liberal. One of the
teachers was pointing out to her in class that morality
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is never dependent on God, and to think that it
is dependent on God is simply backward thinking. And what
was really interesting about this is my daughter had been
listening to the Bible answer Men broadcast and heard me
talk about the youth afro dilemma, and she said, wow,
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that is precisely what he was arguing. And she said,
I did not know how to respond, but I looked
it up in the Complete Bible answer Book Collector's Edition,
revised and updated, and as a result of that, I
knew how to respond to the question. So she'd heard
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me talk about it on the Bible answer Man broadcast,
looked it up in the book, and of course, the
uh Uthifro dilemma, for those who haven't heard me talk
about it, is a false dilemma. The basic idea is
that the dilemma, as stated, is something good because the
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gods will it, or do the gods will it because
it is good. If we say that something is good
because the gods will it, then goodness is left in
the hands of capricious gods. But another way, right or wrong,
or good or bad, then become arbitrary. On the other hand,
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if we say that the gods will something because it
is good, more than gored by the opposite horn of
the dilemma. But this isn't a dilemma at all, because
if we say that something is good because as it
reflects the nature of God, then good and evil, right
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and wrong are neither arbitrary nor autonomous.
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God wills what.
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He wills because he is good, and what he wills
is right because it is reflective and consistent with His nature.
And as we were talking about it, my daughter and I,
this is a great example of how we need to
learn to question the question as opposed to considering the
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question legitimate. So again one of the reasons the Complete
Bible answer Book Collector's Edition, revised, updated, is not only
good for you, but for your children as well. My
daughter was saying how important she thought apologetics is today
on college campus. She's saying, even having gone to a
Christian school is not enough to inoculate. You do not
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know what you're hitting today in Seco universities. And again
she's going to one of the top universities in the country.
But the attack on Christianity is in every single sphere
that she's studying, whether it's sociology or biology, or psychology
or philosophy, there is always an overt or sometimes it
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is a more subtle attack on the historic Christian faith.
And she was talking last night about how many of
her friends have walked away from the faith, already friends
that she never ever expected would drink the kool aid,
but they simply don't know how to respond. And because
they don't know how to respond, they think there is
no response.
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letters cri. Let's go to the phone. Calls Timmy up
first listening in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Hi, oh, okay, Hi, Hey, it's our first time, and
I want to thank you for helping me get out
the colt. Can you help me ten years ago?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh? Wonderful yes.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
And my question, ill, do you just send hail from
the lake of fire?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Do you.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Do? You say both of the same thing. I'm thinking
Hell is what people are in now, and they're being tormented,
and I also believe that they have this degree to
punishment at that time. But when the Bible say hell, death,
and hell, it's going to be cast in the lake
of fire, and then when that happened to be the
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end of me, I'm nervous the souls there.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, Timmy, you're actually very very wise to point to
that passage in relations chapter twenty. But what that passage
actually is teaching is that there's a day that death
and hades are going to be thrown to the lake
of fire. The lake of fire is the second death,
so Hades is the temporary place.
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Gehanna or Hell is the permanent place. So if you
were to.
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Die today like the rich man in Luke chapter sixteen,
you would be in a place of torment. That would
be speaking of Hades. But on the other hand, if
you were a believer like Lazarus, you would also be
in Hades, but you would be in torment. So Hades
encompassed the abode of the dead, and you could be
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either in comfort or you could be in torment. But
there's a day in which death and Hades are thrown
into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is
the second death. That is the day of eternal punishment.
So the lake of fire or the lake of burning sulfur,
or blackest darkness forever are all metaphors pointing to Gehenna
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or to Hell.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
So when death and Hell at catching a leg of fire,
when people still have memory like the rich man, who
want will people still have memories with be all gone
with now?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I think that everything in scripture points to the notion
that we're not going to have less awareness, but will
have enhanced awareness. So God does not rubout the crowning
jewels of his creation. Even if they have decided to
live apart from His goodness, his glory, and his grace,
he continues to sustain them in existence. And one would
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think that they would have awareness, and that awareness would
be enhanced in the eternal state. So you're either destined
for eternal life or eternal destruction, and eternal destruction is
defined in scripture as being shut out from the presence
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of the Lord.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Very good, thank you for helping me get out the
coles like I repeat it, and God bless you and your.
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Family and you as well, and brilliant to point to
Revelation chapter twenty. Let's go back to the phone line.
Talk to Ryan. He's listening in Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Hi. Ryan.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
My question is with the two Disciples and Satan. Well,
you know what Judas. The word says that Satan went
and betrayed Judas, and he entered Judas and then the peer.
Satan wanted Christ to be percified and killed. Yet with Peter,
when Peter fromade Christ to go to cross, Christ to
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Satan behind Peter and taught him to get behind him
that he didn't have the pains of God. And so
I can't understand that Satan won't or not won't Christ
to go to the possible so aware of God's plan
or not aware of God's.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Plaim Well, I think Satan would have been aware of
the plan of God. But Satan is also suffering from
cognitive dissonance and from the idea that somehow or other
he is going to be either able to trick or
trap God in some way. That's why Satan sought to
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deceive Jesus Christ in his desert temptations. So Satan is
desperate to lead all humanity astray, even though he's not
going to be successful in that, but that he is
attempting to do that is his eternal passion, And of
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course it is a passion that is short lived, because
when Jesus appears the second time and then the problem
of Satan and sin will forever be resolved. But as
far as Jesus is concerned, Jesus knew that he was
going to suffer more than any man, more than the
cumutive sufferings of all of mankind, and that he was
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going to do this so that we might be redeemed
to an eternal God and an eternal destination.
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Hi. Thanks for explaining.
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There much Randia doctor the phone lines douc did David.
He's listening in Fresno, California.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Hi David, Hello, Hi.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
The question is where does God come from? I know
you explained it to a little girl before and she
and you asked her if she understood.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
She said she did.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
She's only like eight years old, and I thought, how
does she understand that?
Speaker 6 (15:31):
One?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I didn't even.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, well, I mean, look, what I try to explain
in this regard is that there's no necessity to say
that someone created God, because unlike the universe, which according
to modern science, had a beginning, God is infinite and eternal,
and therefore an infinite, eternal being can logically be demonstrated
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to be the uncaused first cause. So the answer is
no one created God. And to suppose that because the
universe had a cause, the cause of the universe had
to have a cause simply leads to a logical dead end,
because an infinite regression of finite causes doesn't answer the
question of source. It merely makes the effects more numerous,
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So simple logic maybe that's the way to go. Simple
logic dictates that the universe is not merely an illusion.
It's real. It didn't spring from nothing, because we know
nothing comes from nothing. Nothing ever could it didn't eternally exist.
Nobody believes that because we know that the law of
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entropy itself predicts that a universe that had existed eternally
would have died in eternity ago of a heat lost death.
So it's non illusion. It didn't spring out of nothing.
It hasn't existed eternally. That leads you with only one
philosophically plausible answer, and that is the answer given inscription. Sure,
in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
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If you take any other position, you're stuck with this.
Nothing creates everything. Life comes from non life, and the
life that comes from non life produces morals and ethics
and everything else. So the idea of an uncaused first
cause is the only thing that makes sense. And the
name that we put to that is God. He is
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the infinite, eternal, but knowable God. He's ineffable unknoable on
one count, but he's also eminent his graces and his person,
work known through Jesus Christ.
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I've gotten to church quite a bit in my life,
and I do believe in God, and I believe that
God is like a feeling.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
No, no, God is not a feeling.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
God is the dictates what you do in life basically,
and God will so your conscience tell you right from
wrong in this and that.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
That's a good point actually, And I oftentimes say that
you can see God's eternal power and divine nature because
of the universe in which you live. When you see
the complexity of the universe, you know there's a universe creator.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And as you just.
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Pointed out, you also know that there's a God because
God has written his knowledge upon the canvas of our consciousness.
In other words, its part of our DNA. But God
is not just a feeling. God is a personal God.
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He is a real being.
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The fact that he is a spiritual being does not
make him unreal in any sense. And as I mentioned earlier,
God is ineffable in the sense that we cannot know
God in his essence, but he's also eminent, which is
to say that we can know him through his graces.
We can know Him in the person and work of
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Jesus Christ. So God is personal. We will forever interact
with a personal God in eternity. It'll take an eternity
and more to ever fully comprehend the God who has
saved us by his grace. But Jesus Christ will be
as close to you and eternity as the very flesh
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upon your bones. Even in eternity, you're not going to
be a mere feeling or a thought. You're going to
be a personal being with a real body and a
real metaphysical aspect to your humanity, and you're going to
live and grow and develop, albeit without error. Let's go
back to the phone lines. Talk to Serena. She's listening
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in Lakewood, Colorado. Hi, Serena.
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Him, mister Hannigraf, Hi, because you're a theological expert about
the Bible, can you please I'm going to just ask
two questions, and then I'd like to listen to you
on my radio, because I don't hear so well on
the phone. Why does the Bible not say anything about
whether Jesus nursed at Mary's breast? Why does the Bible
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sayes dust to dust when we don't come from asses.
We came as miracles through our mother's wombs.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, well, good questions. And I think that the Bible
does not contain everything. There are a lot of things
that are presumed. And part of what is presumed is
that Mary would have nursed Jesus Christ. Whether or not
the Bible talks about it, that's a safe assumption for
how Jesus Christ was nurtured and fed.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
As an infant.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
In terms of ashes to ashes or dust to dust
actually doesn't come from the Bible at all. It comes
from the funeral service and the ink and Book of
Common Prayer. And it's not even an actual quote from scripture,
but based on the biblical teaching that you find in
various parts throughout Scripture, such as Genesis three, for dust
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you are, and to dust you will reach. Turn or
remember Abraham saying I am nothing but dust and ashes,
or job where he said he throws me into the mud,
and I am reduced to the dust and the ashes.
So the dust and ashes phrase very common because God
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created us ex nihilo. And yet we know that we
will return to the ground and become dust again as
it were, that we will disintegrate, but that though God
will not resustinate every atom in the resurrection He will
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resurrect us, immortal, imperishable, incorruptible. So there's a DNA that
we have that God will restore an eternity. I like
what Ecclesiastes says, all go to the same place, all
come from the dust, and to the dust all return,
but we don't stay there. God will resurrect us, as
I said, immortal, imperishable, incorruptible. That is the hope of believer.
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Back to the phone lines. Talk next to Phil. He's
listening in Columbia, Missouri.
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Hi, Phil, Hi, hank Hi.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
The question I have. I have a couple of questions
for you. The first one's on the Genesis one account
for the light and was created in one day light
in darkness, and then about three or four days later
we have the senmon and stars being formed. I'm in
conversation with the guy who calls himself the atheist, and
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he says the Genesis account did not get it right.
He also has Genesis one and two not agreeing together.
And in the account. Is there an answer for this
besides the gap theory?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Sure, I mean, the whole idea that the days are
meant to give some kind of chronology of creation is
just wrong headed thinking there to give us a hierarchy
of creation culminating in the crowning jewels of God's creation humankind.
So it's not a matter of trying to give us
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some kind of time frame. First God did this, and
it took them twenty four hours, and then it did
this it took them another twenty four hours, as though
it takes God twenty four hours to do anything. It's
a way of remembering, during the normal course of everyday
living that God is the creator of all things. So
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the days are literal days. I mean, the text literally
says there was morning and there was evening, indicating that
the first three days of creation were normal solar days,
encompassing daylight and darkness. But again, not so that we
have a chronology of creation, but rather so we understand
God's purposes in creation. In terms of the Genesis accounts,
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they don't contradict one another at all. And the first
thing that I always point out in this regard is
it's highly likely that an author would contradict himself within
the span of just a few sentences, and even a
cursory reading of Genesis Chapter one and two is enough
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to discern that the author has a different purpose in
mind for one than he does for the other. Chapter
one is a well I call it a three level
hierarchy of God's creative prowess, and it's memorily associated, as
I said earlier.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
On with the days of the week.
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But what Chapter two focuses on is that man and
woman were designed to be in right relationship with both
creation and Creator. So you always have to remember that
the language of the Scripture is a heavenly condescension, so
that we, finite human beings can know something of the
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nature and purposes of an infinite God. Gus has nothing
to do with chronology, has to do with God's purposes,
and we typically codify that under the word chirology. So
it's not chronology, it's chirology. It's not a time frame.
It's God's purposes in creation that are being made manifest
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to humanity.
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I have to leave it at that. I've written about
this in a couple of places.
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From Charlotte, North Carolina. You're listening to the Bible answer
Man broadcast with Hank Hanagraph, president of the Christian Research Institute.
The reason the Bible answer Man is on the air
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and now here's your host, Hank Canagraph.
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Thank you much.
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Randy is always great to be in the studio as
we answer your questions throughout the United States and Canada.
Having a conversation last night after work with my daughter.
She's going to one of the great universities in the
country and the teachers are extraordinarily liberal. One of the
teachers was pointing out to her in class that morality
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is never dependent on God, and to think that it
is dependent on God is simply backward thinking. And what
was really interesting about this is my daughter had been
listening to the Bible answer Men broadcast and heard me
talk about the youth afro dilemma, and she said, wow,
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that is precisely what he was arguing. And she said,
I did not know how to respond, but I looked
it up in the Complete Bible answer Book Collector's Edition,
revised and updated, and as a result of that, I
knew how to respond to the question. So she'd heard
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me talk about it on the Bible answer Man broadcast,
looked it up in the book, and of course, the
uh Uthifro dilemma, for those who haven't heard me talk
about it, is a false dilemma. The basic idea is
that the dilemma, as stated, is something good because the
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gods will it, or do the gods will it because
it is good. If we say that something is good
because the gods will it, then goodness is left in
the hands of capricious gods. But another way, right or wrong,
or good or bad, then become arbitrary. On the other hand,
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if we say that the gods will something because it
is good, more than gored by the opposite horn of
the dilemma. But this isn't a dilemma at all, because
if we say that something is good because as it
reflects the nature of God, then good and evil, right
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and wrong are neither arbitrary nor autonomous.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
God wills what.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
He wills because he is good, and what he wills
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And as we were talking about it, my daughter and I,
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first listening in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Hi, oh, okay, Hi, Hey, it's our first time, and
I want to thank you for helping me get out
the colt. Can you help me ten years ago?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh? Wonderful yes.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
And my question, ill, do you just send hail from
the lake of fire?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Do you.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Do? You say both of the same thing. I'm thinking
Hell is what people are in now, and they're being tormented,
and I also believe that they have this degree to
punishment at that time. But when the Bible say hell, death,
and hell, it's going to be cast in the lake
of fire, and then when that happened to be the
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end of me, I'm nervous the souls there.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, Timmy, you're actually very very wise to point to
that passage in relations chapter twenty. But what that passage
actually is teaching is that there's a day that death
and hades are going to be thrown to the lake
of fire. The lake of fire is the second death,
so Hades is the temporary place.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Gehanna or Hell is the permanent place. So if you
were to.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Die today like the rich man in Luke chapter sixteen,
you would be in a place of torment. That would
be speaking of Hades. But on the other hand, if
you were a believer like Lazarus, you would also be
in Hades, but you would be in torment. So Hades
encompassed the abode of the dead, and you could be
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either in comfort or you could be in torment. But
there's a day in which death and Hades are thrown
into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is
the second death. That is the day of eternal punishment.
So the lake of fire or the lake of burning sulfur,
or blackest darkness forever are all metaphors pointing to Gehenna
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or to Hell.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
So when death and Hell at catching a leg of fire,
when people still have memory like the rich man, who
want will people still have memories with be all gone
with now?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I think that everything in scripture points to the notion
that we're not going to have less awareness, but will
have enhanced awareness. So God does not rubout the crowning
jewels of his creation. Even if they have decided to
live apart from His goodness, his glory, and his grace,
he continues to sustain them in existence. And one would
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think that they would have awareness, and that awareness would
be enhanced in the eternal state. So you're either destined
for eternal life or eternal destruction, and eternal destruction is
defined in scripture as being shut out from the presence
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of the Lord.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Very good, thank you for helping me get out the
coles like I repeat it, and God bless you and your.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Family and you as well, and brilliant to point to
Revelation chapter twenty. Let's go back to the phone line.
Talk to Ryan. He's listening in Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Hi. Ryan.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
My question is with the two Disciples and Satan. Well,
you know what Judas. The word says that Satan went
and betrayed Judas, and he entered Judas and then the peer.
Satan wanted Christ to be percified and killed. Yet with Peter,
when Peter fromade Christ to go to cross, Christ to
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Satan behind Peter and taught him to get behind him
that he didn't have the pains of God. And so
I can't understand that Satan won't or not won't Christ
to go to the possible so aware of God's plan
or not aware of God's.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Plaim Well, I think Satan would have been aware of
the plan of God. But Satan is also suffering from
cognitive dissonance and from the idea that somehow or other
he is going to be either able to trick or
trap God in some way. That's why Satan sought to
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deceive Jesus Christ in his desert temptations. So Satan is
desperate to lead all humanity astray, even though he's not
going to be successful in that, but that he is
attempting to do that is his eternal passion, And of
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course it is a passion that is short lived, because
when Jesus appears the second time and then the problem
of Satan and sin will forever be resolved. But as
far as Jesus is concerned, Jesus knew that he was
going to suffer more than any man, more than the
cumutive sufferings of all of mankind, and that he was
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going to do this so that we might be redeemed
to an eternal God and an eternal destination.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Hi. Thanks for explaining.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Hey, you get it. Thanks for your call.
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There much Randia doctor the phone lines douc did David.
He's listening in Fresno, California.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Hi David, Hello, Hi.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
The question is where does God come from? I know
you explained it to a little girl before and she
and you asked her if she understood.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
She said she did.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
She's only like eight years old, and I thought, how
does she understand that?
Speaker 6 (15:31):
One?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I didn't even.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, well, I mean, look, what I try to explain
in this regard is that there's no necessity to say
that someone created God, because unlike the universe, which according
to modern science, had a beginning, God is infinite and eternal,
and therefore an infinite, eternal being can logically be demonstrated
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to be the uncaused first cause. So the answer is
no one created God. And to suppose that because the
universe had a cause, the cause of the universe had
to have a cause simply leads to a logical dead end,
because an infinite regression of finite causes doesn't answer the
question of source. It merely makes the effects more numerous,
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So simple logic maybe that's the way to go. Simple
logic dictates that the universe is not merely an illusion.
It's real. It didn't spring from nothing, because we know
nothing comes from nothing. Nothing ever could it didn't eternally exist.
Nobody believes that because we know that the law of
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entropy itself predicts that a universe that had existed eternally
would have died in eternity ago of a heat lost death.
So it's non illusion. It didn't spring out of nothing.
It hasn't existed eternally. That leads you with only one
philosophically plausible answer, and that is the answer given inscription. Sure,
in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
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If you take any other position, you're stuck with this.
Nothing creates everything. Life comes from non life, and the
life that comes from non life produces morals and ethics
and everything else. So the idea of an uncaused first
cause is the only thing that makes sense. And the
name that we put to that is God. He is
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the infinite, eternal, but knowable God. He's ineffable unknoable on
one count, but he's also eminent his graces and his person,
work known through Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
I've gotten to church quite a bit in my life,
and I do believe in God, and I believe that
God is like a feeling.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
No, no, God is not a feeling.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
God is the dictates what you do in life basically,
and God will so your conscience tell you right from
wrong in this and that.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
That's a good point actually, And I oftentimes say that
you can see God's eternal power and divine nature because
of the universe in which you live. When you see
the complexity of the universe, you know there's a universe creator.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And as you just.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Pointed out, you also know that there's a God because
God has written his knowledge upon the canvas of our consciousness.
In other words, its part of our DNA. But God
is not just a feeling. God is a personal God.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
He is a real being.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
The fact that he is a spiritual being does not
make him unreal in any sense. And as I mentioned earlier,
God is ineffable in the sense that we cannot know
God in his essence, but he's also eminent, which is
to say that we can know him through his graces.
We can know Him in the person and work of
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Jesus Christ. So God is personal. We will forever interact
with a personal God in eternity. It'll take an eternity
and more to ever fully comprehend the God who has
saved us by his grace. But Jesus Christ will be
as close to you and eternity as the very flesh
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upon your bones. Even in eternity, you're not going to
be a mere feeling or a thought. You're going to
be a personal being with a real body and a
real metaphysical aspect to your humanity, and you're going to
live and grow and develop, albeit without error. Let's go
back to the phone lines. Talk to Serena. She's listening
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in Lakewood, Colorado. Hi, Serena.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Him, mister Hannigraf, Hi, because you're a theological expert about
the Bible, can you please I'm going to just ask
two questions, and then I'd like to listen to you
on my radio, because I don't hear so well on
the phone. Why does the Bible not say anything about
whether Jesus nursed at Mary's breast? Why does the Bible
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sayes dust to dust when we don't come from asses.
We came as miracles through our mother's wombs.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, well, good questions. And I think that the Bible
does not contain everything. There are a lot of things
that are presumed. And part of what is presumed is
that Mary would have nursed Jesus Christ. Whether or not
the Bible talks about it, that's a safe assumption for
how Jesus Christ was nurtured and fed.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
As an infant.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
In terms of ashes to ashes or dust to dust
actually doesn't come from the Bible at all. It comes
from the funeral service and the ink and Book of
Common Prayer. And it's not even an actual quote from scripture,
but based on the biblical teaching that you find in
various parts throughout Scripture, such as Genesis three, for dust
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you are, and to dust you will reach. Turn or
remember Abraham saying I am nothing but dust and ashes,
or job where he said he throws me into the mud,
and I am reduced to the dust and the ashes.
So the dust and ashes phrase very common because God
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created us ex nihilo. And yet we know that we
will return to the ground and become dust again as
it were, that we will disintegrate, but that though God
will not resustinate every atom in the resurrection He will
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resurrect us, immortal, imperishable, incorruptible. So there's a DNA that
we have that God will restore an eternity. I like
what Ecclesiastes says, all go to the same place, all
come from the dust, and to the dust all return,
but we don't stay there. God will resurrect us, as
I said, immortal, imperishable, incorruptible. That is the hope of believer.
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Back to the phone lines. Talk next to Phil. He's
listening in Columbia, Missouri.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Hi, Phil, Hi, hank Hi.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
The question I have. I have a couple of questions
for you. The first one's on the Genesis one account
for the light and was created in one day light
in darkness, and then about three or four days later
we have the senmon and stars being formed. I'm in
conversation with the guy who calls himself the atheist, and
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he says the Genesis account did not get it right.
He also has Genesis one and two not agreeing together.
And in the account. Is there an answer for this
besides the gap theory?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Sure, I mean, the whole idea that the days are
meant to give some kind of chronology of creation is
just wrong headed thinking there to give us a hierarchy
of creation culminating in the crowning jewels of God's creation humankind.
So it's not a matter of trying to give us
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some kind of time frame. First God did this, and
it took them twenty four hours, and then it did
this it took them another twenty four hours, as though
it takes God twenty four hours to do anything. It's
a way of remembering, during the normal course of everyday
living that God is the creator of all things. So
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the days are literal days. I mean, the text literally
says there was morning and there was evening, indicating that
the first three days of creation were normal solar days,
encompassing daylight and darkness. But again, not so that we
have a chronology of creation, but rather so we understand
God's purposes in creation. In terms of the Genesis accounts,
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they don't contradict one another at all. And the first
thing that I always point out in this regard is
it's highly likely that an author would contradict himself within
the span of just a few sentences, and even a
cursory reading of Genesis Chapter one and two is enough
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to discern that the author has a different purpose in
mind for one than he does for the other. Chapter
one is a well I call it a three level
hierarchy of God's creative prowess, and it's memorily associated, as
I said earlier.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
On with the days of the week.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
But what Chapter two focuses on is that man and
woman were designed to be in right relationship with both
creation and Creator. So you always have to remember that
the language of the Scripture is a heavenly condescension, so
that we, finite human beings can know something of the
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nature and purposes of an infinite God. Gus has nothing
to do with chronology, has to do with God's purposes,
and we typically codify that under the word chirology. So
it's not chronology, it's chirology. It's not a time frame.
It's God's purposes in creation that are being made manifest
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to humanity.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I have to leave it at that. I've written about
this in a couple of places.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Including the Creation answer Book, another answer book available through
the Ministry of the Christian Research Institute.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
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