November 17, 2025 • 28 mins
On today’s Bible Answer Man broadcast (11/17/25), Hank answers the following questions:
How should a Christian attorney practice law today with respect to handling divorce cases? Jeff - South Central, KY (0:53)
I left the Seventh-day Adventist church over doctrinal disagreements. Keith - Las Vegas, NV (5:05)
Can you address the Adventist belief that the 144,000 is the remnant of the SDA Church? Keith - Las Vegas, NV (7:40)
Will there be a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem? Keith - Las Vegas, NV (8:55)
Do you make a distinction between the law of Christ and the law of Moses? Mitchell - Raleigh, NC (15:11)
Hebrews 12 talks about the Lord’s chastisement. How does God chastise us? David - Austin, TX (19:49)
My daughter lost a preborn baby. Did that baby have a spirit? Tony - Waynesburg, PA (23:04)
How should a Christian attorney practice law today with respect to handling divorce cases? Jeff - South Central, KY (0:53)
I left the Seventh-day Adventist church over doctrinal disagreements. Keith - Las Vegas, NV (5:05)
Can you address the Adventist belief that the 144,000 is the remnant of the SDA Church? Keith - Las Vegas, NV (7:40)
Will there be a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem? Keith - Las Vegas, NV (8:55)
Do you make a distinction between the law of Christ and the law of Moses? Mitchell - Raleigh, NC (15:11)
Hebrews 12 talks about the Lord’s chastisement. How does God chastise us? David - Austin, TX (19:49)
My daughter lost a preborn baby. Did that baby have a spirit? Tony - Waynesburg, PA (23:04)
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Heard all across the United States, Canada, and around the world.
This is the Bible answer Man Broadcast with Hank Annagraph.
Hank as President of the Christian Research Institute at CRI.
Our desire is to equip you not only to defend
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
Thank you're idiot. What are you hanging on? We'll go
right to our phone callers. First up as Jeff listening
in south central Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Hi, Jeff, good evening.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'm doing well well.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Get right to the point. I'm interested to know your
thoughts regarding how Christian attorney can I guess practice today
and more specifically in the area of domestic law regarding divorces.
I understand I've looked through a lot of your material
regarding biblical divorces and remarriage in that and now I
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just want to hear your input on that.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, I think just in a general statement here, what
God has joined together, let no man put asunder. Therefore,
we should not be involved in anything that violates the
precepts of God. God's law is the highest standard, and
therefore we can obey human laws as long as they
don't violate the laws of God. For example, a Christian
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doctor cannot commit an abortion because if he is involved
in an abortion, what he's doing is committing murder. Because
from a Christian perspective as well as from a scientific
perspective of an age of scientific enlightenment, a fertilized human
egg a conceptis is full personhood from the moment of conception,
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not a fully developed personality or a fullly developed person,
but full personhood from the moment of conception. So we
cannot violate the laws of God with impunity. We have
to uphold the laws of God if we truly are
committed to the principles of Christ over the principles of Caesar.
And we see this particularly in the outgrowth of the
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Early Christian Church, where the early Christian Church grew up
in the epicenter of a Caesar cult, where Christians were
supposed to say Caesar's Lord. But they said, no, we're
not going to say Caesar's Lord. We're going to say
Christ is Lord. And therefore we're not going to allow
our baby girls to die in front of the statue
of Nero. We're going to defy the laws of Caesar
and uphold the laws of Christ. And I think we
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should do the same, whether we're talking about participating in
the separate of a union which God has put together,
or whether we're talking about some other principle that violates
a biblical worldview.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Is that is your opinion, and you stated it was generally,
Is that even in those situations where biblically someone may
be allowed a divorce or.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
No, because that doesn't if the Bible allows a divorce
and there are grounds for divorce from a biblical standpoint,
then we're not violating the Biblical precepts in that circumstance.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And that's an adulterous affair or desertion.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yes, and there are other acts that rise to that level.
And we've laid this out in an article in the
Christian Research Journal. Doctor Michael Ross articulates this with a
lot of precision, and I think with a very compelling
biblical argument. There are things that rise to that level
from the perspective of breaking the sacred bond of marriage.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Is that with an emphasis on a Christian lawyer's practice.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Or no, No, it's just in general answering the question,
you know, what are the grounds for divorce and re marriage?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yes, and I think I have that printed out. Well,
I think you've answered my question.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well, I appreciate your call, and I think it's an
important issue for us to focus in on, because again,
we live in a time in which we have to
make radical decisions. Are we going to, as it were,
follow Caesar or are we going to follow Christ. We have
to be law abiding citizens as long as the laws
that are laid down do not violate the higher law,
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the laws in which Western civilization was actually built founded.
Western civilization, including jurisprudence, is based on a Biblical worldview. Today, unfortunately,
we live in the shadow of the Bible as opposed
to living in the pages of the Bible. Let's go
back the phone lines doctor Keith listening in Las Vegas,
Nevada High Keith, Hi, I used to.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Be a Seven day Adventist, and I pulled away from
the church because I started having problems with some of
the doctrine of the.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Church well and as it should be, but I think
it's important that you recognize Seventh day Adventism as not
being monolithic, but rather multifaceted. There are Adventists who are
thoroughly orthodox, and as such they embrace the essentials of
the historic Christian faith. They might vigorously debate secondary issues,
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but they are unified with Christians throughout all the ages
with respect to the very essentials for which the martyrs
shed their blood. But they are also Adventists who are
thoroughly liberal. They not only compromise and confuse, but consistently
contradict the essentials of the Christian faith, include the virgin birth,
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the bodily resurrection, and the infallibility of the Scripture. And
then there are the traditionalists, and they major on aberrant
Adventist doctrines, including soul sleep, Sabbatarianism, and I might add
the seer status of the Ellen g White. Of course,
in sharp distinction to soul sleep, the Bible provides ample
evidence that the soul continues to exist apart from the body.
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And not only that, but God himself provided early Christians
with a new pattern of worship through Christ's resurrection on
the first day of the week, as well as the
spirits dissent on Pentecost Sunday. So while Ellen G. White
claimed divine authority for her prophecies, she was obviously wrong
when she prophesied that she would be alive at the
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second Coming of Christ. She was obviously wrong with respect
to Sabbatarianism, and she was obviously wrong with respect to
soul sleep. So the traditionalists that hold to these kinds
of paradigms or teachings are teaching something that rises, in
their view to the level of essentials. I've had people
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within Adventism approach me at speaking engagements and telling me
that I've taken on the mark of the Beast because
I'm worshiping on Sunday. So they've actually taken these secondary
issues and raised them to the level of the central
Christian doctor. Now, I would say this from a Christian perspective.
Anyone who denies that in Christ we have our sabbath
rest is failing to recognize that the symbol always gives
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way to the substance, and when the substance comes, we
dare not go back to the symbol.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Okay, One of the questions I have about this is
that I was one of the doctors that was really gifty.
Is they believe that the one hundred and forty four
thousand that are sealed are going to be the remnant
of the Adventist Church, And that doesn't.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Make any sense to me.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, it doesn't make any sense. One hundred and forty
four thousand year, if you learn to read revelation in
the sense in which it's intended, is the full complement
of God's people from every tongue and every tribe, and
every nation and every people, which is to say, it
is true Israel from every generation. That true Israel can
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include Abraham, it can include Rahab, it can include Ruth,
it can include you and I. So it is the
full compliment of God's people. It is described in one
sense is a great multitude, in the other sense as
one hundred and forty four thousand, So in one sense
it is numbered, in the other sense numberless. But both
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one hundred and forty four thousand of great multitude are
the same entities seen from a different perspective. Just as
when John here's a line and turns around and sees
a lamp, it's the same entity scene from a different
vantage point, a different perspective.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Okay, then one of the questions, real quick is do
you believe at the temple in Jerusalem? Druggy built No.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I do not. This is another classic example. We don't
long for a third or a fourth temple. The ultimate
temple has come, and to go back to temple priests
and sacrifice when the ultimate sacrificial lamb has come is tantamount,
in the words of Hebrews, to trampling upon the sacred
blood of Jesus Christ. So there's no need for another temple.
And you know this nonsense that Jesus Christ is going
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to preside over a temple where there are sacrifices and
the sacrifices are efficacious for ceremonial and cleanness drawn to
its logical conclusion, is denying the sufficiency of christ atonement
and the Cross.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well you really answer my question. I appreciate it. I've
been away from the church now for about a year
year and a half. I just something just was yelling
aside to be telling me not the things are teaching.
Thank you so much, Hank, You got it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
Thank you very much, Randy, and let's go right back
to our phone callers. Mitchell listening in Raleigh, North Carolina.
You're up next time, Mitchell Hey.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Thank you, Hank Hey. I just finished reading your book,
The Apocalypse Code. Wonderfully well written book. It does a
great job of refuting most, if not all, of the
claims of dispensationalism, and I really enjoyed the book. Thank
you for that. I had a question in the book.
You used a similar phrase to something you said a
moment ago, that when the substance comes, we dare not
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go back to the symbol or the shadow, and I
could not more heartily agree. How far do you take
that principle in applying it to maybe the or what
distinction do you make between the law of Christ and
the law of Moses.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, and that's exactly the right question to ask, because
not all law is the same. There are civilian ceremonial
laws that are abrogated because they are fulfilled in Jesus Christ,
so we don't have to go back to those civilian
ceremonial laws the substance has come. But that, however, in
no wise negates the law that brings order to society.
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So there are different uses of law. In scripture, the
law reveals sin and becomes the schoolmaster that drives us
to Christ. If you look at what Jesus did in
the Sermon on the Mound. He takes law, and he
drives that law to its logical conclusion, such that we
recognize immediately that we cannot fulfill that law. And therefore
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the enigmatic question, who then can be saved? Because you'd
have to be perfect, and no one's perfect. Only Jesus
Christ therefore becomes the one who can do what we
can no longer do. Therefore, Christian theology, we reach out
the hand of a beggar and receive the gift of
a king. So the civil aspect of the law is abrogated,
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but the law still prevails as a guide for the
believer in living out the Christian life. So there are
moral aspects of the law, such as those inculcated in
the Ten Commandments, that not only reveal our sin, but
also give us broad principles for living the Christian life,
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not legalism. But law remains a guide for living the
Christian life. So we don't say that the Ten Commandments
are abrogated.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
So you mentioned the Sermon on the Mount, Do you
or do you not see Christ as a new lawgiver
greater than Moses.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Well, yes, what Christ does is he becomes the ultimate
law giver. And one of the things you have to
see is that the testaments are typological one with respect
to the other. Jesus Christ does in exactness and in
essence what the law demands. So the mosaic law is
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fulfilled through Jesus Christ. Remember, Jesus said, do not think
that I have come to abolish the law in the prophets.
I didn't come to abolish them. I came to fulfill them.
So he ratified every jot and tittle of the Old
Testament in that he fulfilled. He was the only one
that could emerge through the doorway of the law and
the prophets.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
And in his fulfillment. Would you then say his next
statement that nothing would pass away until all this fulfilled.
Some people filled it. That is the reason it had
passed away.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, yes, but again there are aspects of the law
which have not passed away, in the sense that they
are a guide for living out the Christian life. The
law written on tablets of stones still applies to us today.
Do not murder, do not steal, honor your father and
your mother. We have to keep the Sabbath day. But
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in the Sabbath day we actually see what happens in
Jesus Christ becoming the one in whom we have our
sabbath rest. So we see that Jesus fulfills the Sabbath,
and we still keep six days of work and one
day of rest in honor of the one who fulfilled
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all the law and the prophets.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Thank you, Hank, appreciate your answer.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You're welcome. Thank you so much for your question. And remember,
the blood of bulls and goats is no longer efficacious.
And that's why the Book of Hebrews makes clear that
the blood of Jesus Christ is better than the blood
of bulls and goats. Why because Jesus is the antetype
that fulfills the type. So the testaments are, as I
said earlier, typological one with respect to the other. Let's
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go back to the phone lines. We'll talk next to
David listening in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Hi, David, Hi, Hank, thank you for taking my call. First,
I'd like to thank you for your years of study
and your contribution to the the body of Christ.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Well, sir. I was reading in Hebrews and Hebrews twelve
the other day, and the writer of Hebrews starts talking
about the chastising of the Lord. You do not despise
the chastising of the Lord, and he chastises those whom
he loves. My question is how does God chastise us?
What does that look like? And how do I know
if I'm being chastised?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Well, remember what James says. He tells us to count
a pure joy whenever you face trials of many kinds,
because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance,
which leads to maturity or romans Age twenty eight, where
God works all things together for good to those who
love him and are the called according to His purposes.
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And then the writer of Hebrews, as you point out,
says that God chastises those who are his children because
he loves us, and he is actually amplifying what was
given to us before by Solomon, my son. Do not
reject the discipline of the Lord or loathe his reproof.
For whom the Lord loves, he reproves even as a father,
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the son in whom he delights. So the metaphor or
the comparison here is to a father and a child.
A father does not inflict punishment on a child gratuitously,
but rather that that child may come to a true
valuation of things. And so God uses all kinds of
means by which we are chastised, so that we might
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come to a true valuation of things. So we endure
hardship as discipline, So hardship itself becomes discipline or chastisement,
as it were, that brings us to a true valuation
of things. That's why, you know, American Christianity that talks
about the health and wealth gospel is ill conceived. The
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staple is persecution and hardship and suffering, longing and looking
forward to redemption. So Christianity gives us a peaceful way
to come to terms of the maladies of life, but
rather gives us something far greater, a way to overcome
them through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Okay, you clarify some things for me, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You got it, And in this world you'll have trouble.
Take heart, He's overcome the world. So we look forward
to a time in which there'll be no more death
or mourning or crying or pain. For the old order
of things that's passed away, all things become new. Remember
Charles Hedden. Spurgeon talked about discipline and suffering and hardship.
In fact, he said, one time, were you ever in
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the melting pot? Dear friends, I've been there and my
sermons with me. It is in the melting pot that
we come to a true valuation of things, and then
we are poured out in new and better fashion. Therefore,
said Spurgeon, we could almost wish for the melting pot,
because through the difficulties the hardships of life, we set
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our eyes our gaze above, rather than on things below.
Let's go back to the phone lines, doctor Tony. He's
listening in Waynesburg, Pennsylvania. Hi Tony, Hi Henk.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Thanks for taking my call that last call there. I
don't know, Mayti, in partially that my question. I just
learned today that my daughter has lost her baby. If
she was pregnantless and I think I know the answer
to this question, but I just wanted you to verify it.
The baby that she was pregnant with would have had
a spirit right.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yes, when a woman conceives, she conceives a body soul unity,
and therefore, when the baby dies that baby is absent
from the body present with the Lord, which is to
say that the soul or the spirit departs the body
and goes to be with the Lord. I use soul
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and spirit interchangeably as two words that point to the
non physical aspect of humanity. So absent from the body
present with the Lord. And that is the case with
your daughter's child. She is absent from the body present
with the Lord.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Okay, I thought I knew the answer that I've listened
to you for a long time, but I just wanted
to verify it because I wanted it. I'm over the
road truck driver, and I'm you know, I found out
about this two hundred and fifty miles from home from
my wife. And when I get home, hopefully I can
talk to her before she gets to bed. And is
there any certain scripture that I could point her too, that,
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you know, verifies what you just said.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yes, there's a couple of things here. First of all,
all the scripture points to the fact of a body
soul unity, that's what it means to be human. And
Paul himself talks about absent from the body present with
the Lord, so that the moment that we die we're
absent from the body, but we're present with the Lord.
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This is laid out two Corinthians, chapter five one through eight.
Also in Philippians one, Paul says, I'm hard pressed from
both directions having the desire to depart and be with Christ,
for that is much better. So the notion within Christianity
is of continued existence of the soul. The soul can
continue to exist apart from the body. And you can
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also comfort her with the fact that she will see
her child again, because what happens when the Lord Jesus
Christ returns is the soul returns to the body, and
that body rises immortal, imperishable, incorruptible. So your granddaughter is
going to be what she was intended to be in eternity.
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Her DNA will flourish to complete perfection. So you can
tell your daughter that her baby will one day rush
back into our arms in eternity. This is the hope
of Christianity. This is the assurance of a biblical worldview.
That's why we can say say, They'll be a time
in which there is no more death or mourning or
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crying or pain, for the older things will have passed away. Behold,
all things have become new. Got a time. See you
right back here next time with more of the Byblistment Broadcast.
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If the Book of Revelation has become an international obsession,
the result has been rampant misreading of scripture, bad theology,
and even bad politics and foreign policy. In The Apocalypse Code,
find out what the Bible really says about the end
times and why it matters today. Hank Canagraph argues that
the key to understanding the Last Book of the Bible
(27:25):
is the other sixty five books of the Bible, not
current events or recent history. The Apocalypse Code offers sane
answers to some very controversial questions, such as what does
it mean to take the Book of Revelation literally, who
are the Antichrist and the Great Horror of Babylon? And
what is the real meaning of six hundred and sixty
six Order The Apocalypse Code by Hank Cantigraph Today available
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in softcover, MP three CD or MP three download from
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CRI
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
Thank you're idiot. What are you hanging on? We'll go
right to our phone callers. First up as Jeff listening
in south central Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Hi, Jeff, good evening.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'm doing well well.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Get right to the point. I'm interested to know your
thoughts regarding how Christian attorney can I guess practice today
and more specifically in the area of domestic law regarding divorces.
I understand I've looked through a lot of your material
regarding biblical divorces and remarriage in that and now I
(01:26):
just want to hear your input on that.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, I think just in a general statement here, what
God has joined together, let no man put asunder. Therefore,
we should not be involved in anything that violates the
precepts of God. God's law is the highest standard, and
therefore we can obey human laws as long as they
don't violate the laws of God. For example, a Christian
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doctor cannot commit an abortion because if he is involved
in an abortion, what he's doing is committing murder. Because
from a Christian perspective as well as from a scientific
perspective of an age of scientific enlightenment, a fertilized human
egg a conceptis is full personhood from the moment of conception,
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not a fully developed personality or a fullly developed person,
but full personhood from the moment of conception. So we
cannot violate the laws of God with impunity. We have
to uphold the laws of God if we truly are
committed to the principles of Christ over the principles of Caesar.
And we see this particularly in the outgrowth of the
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Early Christian Church, where the early Christian Church grew up
in the epicenter of a Caesar cult, where Christians were
supposed to say Caesar's Lord. But they said, no, we're
not going to say Caesar's Lord. We're going to say
Christ is Lord. And therefore we're not going to allow
our baby girls to die in front of the statue
of Nero. We're going to defy the laws of Caesar
and uphold the laws of Christ. And I think we
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should do the same, whether we're talking about participating in
the separate of a union which God has put together,
or whether we're talking about some other principle that violates
a biblical worldview.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Is that is your opinion, and you stated it was generally,
Is that even in those situations where biblically someone may
be allowed a divorce or.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
No, because that doesn't if the Bible allows a divorce
and there are grounds for divorce from a biblical standpoint,
then we're not violating the Biblical precepts in that circumstance.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And that's an adulterous affair or desertion.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yes, and there are other acts that rise to that level.
And we've laid this out in an article in the
Christian Research Journal. Doctor Michael Ross articulates this with a
lot of precision, and I think with a very compelling
biblical argument. There are things that rise to that level
from the perspective of breaking the sacred bond of marriage.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Is that with an emphasis on a Christian lawyer's practice.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Or no, No, it's just in general answering the question,
you know, what are the grounds for divorce and re marriage?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yes, and I think I have that printed out. Well,
I think you've answered my question.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well, I appreciate your call, and I think it's an
important issue for us to focus in on, because again,
we live in a time in which we have to
make radical decisions. Are we going to, as it were,
follow Caesar or are we going to follow Christ. We have
to be law abiding citizens as long as the laws
that are laid down do not violate the higher law,
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the laws in which Western civilization was actually built founded.
Western civilization, including jurisprudence, is based on a Biblical worldview. Today, unfortunately,
we live in the shadow of the Bible as opposed
to living in the pages of the Bible. Let's go
back the phone lines doctor Keith listening in Las Vegas,
Nevada High Keith, Hi, I used to.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Be a Seven day Adventist, and I pulled away from
the church because I started having problems with some of
the doctrine of the.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Church well and as it should be, but I think
it's important that you recognize Seventh day Adventism as not
being monolithic, but rather multifaceted. There are Adventists who are
thoroughly orthodox, and as such they embrace the essentials of
the historic Christian faith. They might vigorously debate secondary issues,
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but they are unified with Christians throughout all the ages
with respect to the very essentials for which the martyrs
shed their blood. But they are also Adventists who are
thoroughly liberal. They not only compromise and confuse, but consistently
contradict the essentials of the Christian faith, include the virgin birth,
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the bodily resurrection, and the infallibility of the Scripture. And
then there are the traditionalists, and they major on aberrant
Adventist doctrines, including soul sleep, Sabbatarianism, and I might add
the seer status of the Ellen g White. Of course,
in sharp distinction to soul sleep, the Bible provides ample
evidence that the soul continues to exist apart from the body.
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And not only that, but God himself provided early Christians
with a new pattern of worship through Christ's resurrection on
the first day of the week, as well as the
spirits dissent on Pentecost Sunday. So while Ellen G. White
claimed divine authority for her prophecies, she was obviously wrong
when she prophesied that she would be alive at the
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second Coming of Christ. She was obviously wrong with respect
to Sabbatarianism, and she was obviously wrong with respect to
soul sleep. So the traditionalists that hold to these kinds
of paradigms or teachings are teaching something that rises, in
their view to the level of essentials. I've had people
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within Adventism approach me at speaking engagements and telling me
that I've taken on the mark of the Beast because
I'm worshiping on Sunday. So they've actually taken these secondary
issues and raised them to the level of the central
Christian doctor. Now, I would say this from a Christian perspective.
Anyone who denies that in Christ we have our sabbath
rest is failing to recognize that the symbol always gives
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way to the substance, and when the substance comes, we
dare not go back to the symbol.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Okay, One of the questions I have about this is
that I was one of the doctors that was really gifty.
Is they believe that the one hundred and forty four
thousand that are sealed are going to be the remnant
of the Adventist Church, And that doesn't.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Make any sense to me.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, it doesn't make any sense. One hundred and forty
four thousand year, if you learn to read revelation in
the sense in which it's intended, is the full complement
of God's people from every tongue and every tribe, and
every nation and every people, which is to say, it
is true Israel from every generation. That true Israel can
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include Abraham, it can include Rahab, it can include Ruth,
it can include you and I. So it is the
full compliment of God's people. It is described in one
sense is a great multitude, in the other sense as
one hundred and forty four thousand, So in one sense
it is numbered, in the other sense numberless. But both
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one hundred and forty four thousand of great multitude are
the same entities seen from a different perspective. Just as
when John here's a line and turns around and sees
a lamp, it's the same entity scene from a different
vantage point, a different perspective.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Okay, then one of the questions, real quick is do
you believe at the temple in Jerusalem? Druggy built No.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I do not. This is another classic example. We don't
long for a third or a fourth temple. The ultimate
temple has come, and to go back to temple priests
and sacrifice when the ultimate sacrificial lamb has come is tantamount,
in the words of Hebrews, to trampling upon the sacred
blood of Jesus Christ. So there's no need for another temple.
And you know this nonsense that Jesus Christ is going
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to preside over a temple where there are sacrifices and
the sacrifices are efficacious for ceremonial and cleanness drawn to
its logical conclusion, is denying the sufficiency of christ atonement
and the Cross.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well you really answer my question. I appreciate it. I've
been away from the church now for about a year
year and a half. I just something just was yelling
aside to be telling me not the things are teaching.
Thank you so much, Hank, You got it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
Thank you very much, Randy, and let's go right back
to our phone callers. Mitchell listening in Raleigh, North Carolina.
You're up next time, Mitchell Hey.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Thank you, Hank Hey. I just finished reading your book,
The Apocalypse Code. Wonderfully well written book. It does a
great job of refuting most, if not all, of the
claims of dispensationalism, and I really enjoyed the book. Thank
you for that. I had a question in the book.
You used a similar phrase to something you said a
moment ago, that when the substance comes, we dare not
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go back to the symbol or the shadow, and I
could not more heartily agree. How far do you take
that principle in applying it to maybe the or what
distinction do you make between the law of Christ and
the law of Moses.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, and that's exactly the right question to ask, because
not all law is the same. There are civilian ceremonial
laws that are abrogated because they are fulfilled in Jesus Christ,
so we don't have to go back to those civilian
ceremonial laws the substance has come. But that, however, in
no wise negates the law that brings order to society.
(16:21):
So there are different uses of law. In scripture, the
law reveals sin and becomes the schoolmaster that drives us
to Christ. If you look at what Jesus did in
the Sermon on the Mound. He takes law, and he
drives that law to its logical conclusion, such that we
recognize immediately that we cannot fulfill that law. And therefore
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the enigmatic question, who then can be saved? Because you'd
have to be perfect, and no one's perfect. Only Jesus
Christ therefore becomes the one who can do what we
can no longer do. Therefore, Christian theology, we reach out
the hand of a beggar and receive the gift of
a king. So the civil aspect of the law is abrogated,
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but the law still prevails as a guide for the
believer in living out the Christian life. So there are
moral aspects of the law, such as those inculcated in
the Ten Commandments, that not only reveal our sin, but
also give us broad principles for living the Christian life,
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not legalism. But law remains a guide for living the
Christian life. So we don't say that the Ten Commandments
are abrogated.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
So you mentioned the Sermon on the Mount, Do you
or do you not see Christ as a new lawgiver
greater than Moses.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Well, yes, what Christ does is he becomes the ultimate
law giver. And one of the things you have to
see is that the testaments are typological one with respect
to the other. Jesus Christ does in exactness and in
essence what the law demands. So the mosaic law is
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fulfilled through Jesus Christ. Remember, Jesus said, do not think
that I have come to abolish the law in the prophets.
I didn't come to abolish them. I came to fulfill them.
So he ratified every jot and tittle of the Old
Testament in that he fulfilled. He was the only one
that could emerge through the doorway of the law and
the prophets.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
And in his fulfillment. Would you then say his next
statement that nothing would pass away until all this fulfilled.
Some people filled it. That is the reason it had
passed away.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, yes, but again there are aspects of the law
which have not passed away, in the sense that they
are a guide for living out the Christian life. The
law written on tablets of stones still applies to us today.
Do not murder, do not steal, honor your father and
your mother. We have to keep the Sabbath day. But
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in the Sabbath day we actually see what happens in
Jesus Christ becoming the one in whom we have our
sabbath rest. So we see that Jesus fulfills the Sabbath,
and we still keep six days of work and one
day of rest in honor of the one who fulfilled
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all the law and the prophets.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Thank you, Hank, appreciate your answer.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You're welcome. Thank you so much for your question. And remember,
the blood of bulls and goats is no longer efficacious.
And that's why the Book of Hebrews makes clear that
the blood of Jesus Christ is better than the blood
of bulls and goats. Why because Jesus is the antetype
that fulfills the type. So the testaments are, as I
said earlier, typological one with respect to the other. Let's
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go back to the phone lines. We'll talk next to
David listening in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Hi, David, Hi, Hank, thank you for taking my call. First,
I'd like to thank you for your years of study
and your contribution to the the body of Christ.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Well, sir. I was reading in Hebrews and Hebrews twelve
the other day, and the writer of Hebrews starts talking
about the chastising of the Lord. You do not despise
the chastising of the Lord, and he chastises those whom
he loves. My question is how does God chastise us?
What does that look like? And how do I know
if I'm being chastised?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Well, remember what James says. He tells us to count
a pure joy whenever you face trials of many kinds,
because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance,
which leads to maturity or romans Age twenty eight, where
God works all things together for good to those who
love him and are the called according to His purposes.
(20:44):
And then the writer of Hebrews, as you point out,
says that God chastises those who are his children because
he loves us, and he is actually amplifying what was
given to us before by Solomon, my son. Do not
reject the discipline of the Lord or loathe his reproof.
For whom the Lord loves, he reproves even as a father,
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the son in whom he delights. So the metaphor or
the comparison here is to a father and a child.
A father does not inflict punishment on a child gratuitously,
but rather that that child may come to a true
valuation of things. And so God uses all kinds of
means by which we are chastised, so that we might
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come to a true valuation of things. So we endure
hardship as discipline, So hardship itself becomes discipline or chastisement,
as it were, that brings us to a true valuation
of things. That's why, you know, American Christianity that talks
about the health and wealth gospel is ill conceived. The
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staple is persecution and hardship and suffering, longing and looking
forward to redemption. So Christianity gives us a peaceful way
to come to terms of the maladies of life, but
rather gives us something far greater, a way to overcome
them through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Okay, you clarify some things for me, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You got it, And in this world you'll have trouble.
Take heart, He's overcome the world. So we look forward
to a time in which there'll be no more death
or mourning or crying or pain. For the old order
of things that's passed away, all things become new. Remember
Charles Hedden. Spurgeon talked about discipline and suffering and hardship.
In fact, he said, one time, were you ever in
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the melting pot? Dear friends, I've been there and my
sermons with me. It is in the melting pot that
we come to a true valuation of things, and then
we are poured out in new and better fashion. Therefore,
said Spurgeon, we could almost wish for the melting pot,
because through the difficulties the hardships of life, we set
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our eyes our gaze above, rather than on things below.
Let's go back to the phone lines, doctor Tony. He's
listening in Waynesburg, Pennsylvania. Hi Tony, Hi Henk.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Thanks for taking my call that last call there. I
don't know, Mayti, in partially that my question. I just
learned today that my daughter has lost her baby. If
she was pregnantless and I think I know the answer
to this question, but I just wanted you to verify it.
The baby that she was pregnant with would have had
a spirit right.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yes, when a woman conceives, she conceives a body soul unity,
and therefore, when the baby dies that baby is absent
from the body present with the Lord, which is to
say that the soul or the spirit departs the body
and goes to be with the Lord. I use soul
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and spirit interchangeably as two words that point to the
non physical aspect of humanity. So absent from the body
present with the Lord. And that is the case with
your daughter's child. She is absent from the body present
with the Lord.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Okay, I thought I knew the answer that I've listened
to you for a long time, but I just wanted
to verify it because I wanted it. I'm over the
road truck driver, and I'm you know, I found out
about this two hundred and fifty miles from home from
my wife. And when I get home, hopefully I can
talk to her before she gets to bed. And is
there any certain scripture that I could point her too, that,
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you know, verifies what you just said.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yes, there's a couple of things here. First of all,
all the scripture points to the fact of a body
soul unity, that's what it means to be human. And
Paul himself talks about absent from the body present with
the Lord, so that the moment that we die we're
absent from the body, but we're present with the Lord.
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This is laid out two Corinthians, chapter five one through eight.
Also in Philippians one, Paul says, I'm hard pressed from
both directions having the desire to depart and be with Christ,
for that is much better. So the notion within Christianity
is of continued existence of the soul. The soul can
continue to exist apart from the body. And you can
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also comfort her with the fact that she will see
her child again, because what happens when the Lord Jesus
Christ returns is the soul returns to the body, and
that body rises immortal, imperishable, incorruptible. So your granddaughter is
going to be what she was intended to be in eternity.
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Her DNA will flourish to complete perfection. So you can
tell your daughter that her baby will one day rush
back into our arms in eternity. This is the hope
of Christianity. This is the assurance of a biblical worldview.
That's why we can say say, They'll be a time
in which there is no more death or mourning or
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crying or pain, for the older things will have passed away. Behold,
all things have become new. Got a time. See you
right back here next time with more of the Byblistment Broadcast.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
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