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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thank you very much for Andy. I let me be
hanging on. We'll go right to the phone lines. Roger
First of Modesta, California. Hi, Roger, Hi, how are you good?
Thank you good.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Well, God bless your ministry, and I just pray the
Lord debt have you and cre there. It's the blessing.
My question is that you know, as those of us
who are saved, we wait for the day well as
you say, so oftentimes paradise thoughts becomes paradise restored. And
I know that we our souls will have perfect bodies
and will live in a perfect universe. But my question
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is do those that go to hell are they two
going to have a physical body and live in a
physical world of eternal torment or how does that work out?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well? The answer to that is unequivocally yes. God does
not annihilate the crowning jewels of his creation. Even though
they have decided that they don't want a relationship with him.
He continues to retain them in existence, albeit away from
His goodness and his grace. And again Jesus made that
plain in a text that I quote often on the
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Bible Instrument broadcast, where he said, do not be amazed
at this. A time is coming when all who in
the grace will come out. Some will rise to live,
and some will be resurrected to torment or destruction. So
what our Lord is saying is all those who have
lived will be resurrected, some apart from His goodness and grace,
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and some to be restored to perfect relationship with Him
again for all eternity, everlasting. And therein you have the contrast.
There's everlasting or eternal life, and then there's everlasting or
eternal destruction. Destruction is as I just mentioned, it is
to be separated from the goodness and grace of God.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
All right, answers there, thank you so much, Hank, God
bless you and your ministry.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Thank you, Roger, appreciate those kind words. Want to go
back to the phone lines. Talkt to Chris in Kentucky. Hi, Chris,
h Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Wanting your opinion about the age of the earth. I
was talking to me and my friend was talking about
this other day and he said something kind of mind me.
Take note. He said, you know, when God made the trees,
even though he made in that day, if a scientist
walked up to that tree, he would say, well, it
took at least one hundred years for this tree to
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get this size. Same way with Adam. He made Adam
a man. You know, if a scientist walked up to Adam,
he would say, it took at least twenty or thirty
years for this guy to get his size. And I
just wanted your opinion on that.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Well, first of all, we don't know the answer to
the question as to whether or not God created Adam.
For example, one of the illustrations he used with the
appearance of age. Was he created with calluses on his feet,
for example? Or did he have a belly button? Was
he fashioned replete with childhood memories? Probably not, But the
Bible simply doesn't tell us. Furthermore, the notion that God
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created his Hindi work with the appearance of age is
logically unfalsifiable. In other words, you can neither prove it
nor disprove it. For example, how could you prove false
the notion that you were created five seconds ago, and
that your recollection of this discussion we're having, as you
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started it with a prolog to a question, is just
an implanted memory. And then there's another argument that I
like to use with respect to the appearance of age,
and that is based on an observable astronomical event such
as super nova nineteen eighty seven A. This was an
event with an identifiable before in an identifiable after, So
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prior to nineteen eighty seven, the super nova was a
star in a distant galaxy one hundred and sixty eight
thousand light years away, and then on February twenty third,
nineteen eighty seven, that star exploded and became a super nova.
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In other words, one hundred and sixty eight thousand years ago,
the star exploded, and in nineteen eighty seven the light
of that event finally reached Earth. Unless, of course, you'll
hold the notion that God created the universe six thousand
years ago. Well what then, Well, then the supernova might
well be likened to a documentary film of an event
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that never really happened. So the notion that the universe
is not authentically old, but merely appears to be old,
I believe creates more conundrums than it solves. And I
don't think a good teacher would ask students to put
faith in a textbook intentionally filled with life. And that's
precisely what we're told to do with the Bible. The
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heavens declare God's eternal nature, his divine power, and we're
supposed to think about God based on examining that, which
is precisely what gave rise to science in the first place.
The philosophers, they believed in capricious, moody gods. Well, Augustine
came along and said, no, if you want to know
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about God, what you have to do is look at
what God has created, and you can see his fingerprints
all over it. And therefore examine that carefully, and when
you do, you'll start to understand a little about God's
eternal nature, his divine nature, his eternal power. The things
that God has revealed in general revelation, and as a
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result of that science came to be. No longer were
we simply guessing, but now we are exploring not only
God's revelation of himself in special revelation, but in general
revelation as well. The heavens declared the glory of God.
This guy's proclaimed the work of his hands and the like.
So I think it's really important that we learned to
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rightly read the Book of Nature and not supposed that
I mean things changed over time. I mean, if you
have that presupposition, it's hard to do science. Back to
the phone lines, Alonso, Saint Louis, Missouri, High Alonso.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Hi, hank, thank you for taking my call. And first
let me say I really appreciate your fidelity, your kindness,
and your candor. And my question, sir, is whether or
not the Holy Spirit can reside in a Muslim or
am oremon. And for the purpose of my discussion group,
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I would need a scripture to base the answers upon.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah. Well, you know, there's two things that we talk
about with respect to Christians. One is in dwelling, the
other is in filling. But when we talk about someone
becoming a believer, we talk about the in dwelling of
the Holy Spirit, or the notion that the Holy Spirit
takes up residence within the believer, and therefore you become
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one who is a living stone in the temple of God.
Precisely the opposite is true of those who are not believers,
And those who are not believers are those who do
not realize they're a sinner and then recognize their need
for a savior, and that savior can only be Jesus Christ,
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Jesus Christ described in the Bible. Now bear in mind
you ask of it a Muslim. The Muslim says that
to suppose that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh
is to commit the unforgivable sin of shirk. What does
the Bible say? The Bible says clearly and unequivocally that
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anyone who denies that is Antichrist. So we, as Christians,
say Christ has come in the flesh. The Muslim says, no,
he has not. God would never assign partners to himself,
and therefore God did not come in the incarnation in
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the person and work of Jesus Christ. Mormons say precisely
the same thing, but they have a different twist on this.
In that they too, pour a different meaning into what
Jesus Christ actually means. So when you Jesus Christ, you
have to scale the language barrier because they're not talking
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about the Jesus Christ the Bible. They're talking about a
Jesus Christ of Mormonism who is the spirit brother of
Lucifer and is a spirit child of Father God and
Mother God. So they are not in dwelt by the
Spirit of God, and they cannot until they receive the
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real Jesus. And when that happens, what happens biblically is
Jesus promised that the counselor would come and that the
counselor would in dwell them, and that counselor, of course,
is the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Thank you so much, Hank, and once again i'd like
to thank you for your fidelity and your candor.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, thank you. I appreciate those wonderful words. And I
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Speaker 2 (15:12):
Thank very much for Randy. Back to the phone lines.
We'll talk next to Chad in Salem, Virginia. Hi, Chad, Hi,
hang are you good? Thank you?
Speaker 6 (15:21):
My question is sethel to the point, how do I
explain creation to someone who believes in evolution? You know,
they think that the world evolved, you know, like the
Big Bang theory.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, I mean, the Big Bang is not a problem
for creationists. The problem is for the evolutionist, and the
reason that is so is they have to ultimately postulate
that nothing creates everything, that life comes from non life,
and that the life that comes from non life produced morals.
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On the other hand, what you're saying is every effect
has to have a cause equal to or greater than itself,
and therefore, when you look at an effect like the universe,
there has to be a cause or an uncaused first
cause that created the universe. And that's just common sense
in an age of scientific enlightenment. Well, I should say
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it's common sense in any age. And if you look
at a basketball, you suppose there's going to be a
basketball maker. You look at the Earth with its infinite complexities,
its situation in the Solar System, in the Milky Way galaxy,
in the universe in general, and you say, there is
no possibility that this effect could have come into existence
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without a cause. So the evolutionist is left in a
very untenable position. The creationist is on firm footing when
he talks about origins.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Right where I went. You know, I said that God
created the invisible. I mean, God's always existed, No one
created God. God is from everlasting, ever last.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
You know, as the Bible says.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
But then they told me, you know what about the dinosaurs.
You know, they believe the earth is billions and billions
and billions of years old, you know, and I kind
of I'm not surely sure about them.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Well, I mean, this is one of those things that
you can discuss with clarity by simply saying that Christians
are divided as to the age of the universe. Probably
the vast majority of Christians believe that the universe is
relatively old, certainly not six thousand years old, but there
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are some who believe that the universe is young. That
answer comes ultimately from a careful reading of the Book
of Nature. So just as we see that the universe
was created by God, and there's no other possibility when
you look at its infinite complexities, so two, you can
say that by a right reading of what's called general Revelation,
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you can come to a consensus or at least an opinion,
on the age of the Earth. But this is something
that evolutionists discussed as well. There are various ages that
evolutionists give with respect to the universe, although they're within
certain parameters in the billions of years. Nonetheless, the probably
vast majority of Christians believe the same thing, and so
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they believe that dinosaurs existed. There's no question about that.
We have plenty of fossil evidence to demonstrate the fact
that dinosaurs are among God's creative and avant garde creations.
And so the only question is when did they come
into existence? Was it in the same epic as human beings,
did they coexist with human beings or were they created
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and destroyed long before the advent of human beings?
Speaker 7 (18:56):
Right?
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Well, seem a person I was talking to you know,
I said, maybe God use evolution as a tool. Being
that possible that God used evolution.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
No, and again the Bible does speak to that issue.
The thing that we know is that kinds reproduce after
their own kinds. So while there are changes within kinds,
there are not changes from one kind to another kind. Now,
what's interesting about this is that's born out not only
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through scripture, but it's also born out through science, which
is to say that if you look at the fossil record,
you will not find vertical transitional forms that are credible
you'll see transitions that have said that are within kinds,
but never from one kind to another. So neither the
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fossil record nor scripture bear out the evolutionary assumption. So
the reason they believe what they believe is because they
want to believe what they believe, not because the evidence
points in that direction.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Well, people can believe, but for me, I be in
the beginning that I created the heavens a mirror.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, and there's ample evidence for that. That's the wonderful
thing about the Christian faith. That's not based on blind faith,
as the evolutionist is forced into that corner. It's based
on faith in irrefutable evidence.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Well, thank you very much for your time. You're very kind,
you got it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Thank you so much for your call back to the
phone lines. We'll talk next to CJ. Cjy's listening in Charlotte,
North Carolina. Hi CJ, Hi.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Henk, thanks for taking my call, my pleasure. I'd like
my question was and I have a little short follow
up after it. I'm trying to figure out who was
the serpent in the garden of Eden in Genesis.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, I don't think there's any question about who the
serpent was. The serpent is the devil. The Biblical imagery
of the twisted serpent, in fact, is a masterful portrayal
of Satan's fall. Once he held a privileged position in
God's kingdom, but now he's even lower than the livestock.
They have legs. He, however, crawls in his belly and
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eats dust. And those who know the Old Testament immediately
recognize that metaphor, because Micah, like Moses, uses the imagery
of a serpent to depict the nations who are seeking
to thwart the purposes of God. They will lick dust
like a snake, like creatures that crawl on the ground.
Now that's not the only imagery, of course, that the
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Bible uses for Satan. The Bible uses the imagery of
a dragon for Satan as well. Now, dragons are the
stuff of mythology, not theology, but it is a way
of betraying not what Satan looks like, but what Satan
is like.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Okay, I think you did. You kind of touched on
my second point, because when I look this word up
in the Strongs concordance, I came up with the definition
says that the serpent was a mythological character who opposes God,
And that kind of confused me, and you kind of
just touched on that a little bit. I didn't know
that the Bible used mythology to kind of make some points.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well. Actually, what's interesting about that is that the imagery
of a serpent is actually employed by scripture as literary
subversion of pagan myth. So bail, who, according to the
Eugarretic text, which was the pre Jewish text of the
ancient Canaanites, rides the clouds and smites the primordial seven
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headed serpent lying coiled in chaotic waters. Well, in Realitiot's Yahweh,
creative Heaven and Earth, who alone can crush the serpent's head.
So the Bible uses the pagan imagery of a serpent
as a powerful theological apologetic by which to undress the
gods of wood and stone who are impotent to save.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Okay, that kind of sums it up. So the Bible
does use mythology, that it uses it in a way
that tries to make a point.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, in other words, it's taking the mythology that people
have embraced and now it's taking that. Look, Paul does
the same thing on Mars Hill, doesn't he Paul is
essentially taking an image of a God, and he's saying,
by that image, I want to teach you an operative
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lesson about the real God who created heaven and earth.
So we can use everything that the world employs as
a springboard or an opportunity to share truth and light
in an age of increasing darkness.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Yeah, that's a great point, Hank. It just kind of
makes me I just don't know where to draw the
line whether I should use the devil and Satan has
a mythological character who opposes God, and what do we do?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
No, No, Remember, what you have to recognize is that
the metaphor serves as a magnifying glass to underscore truth
that we might ordinarily miss. So it doesn't diminish the
reality of Satan. And hances are view of Satan and
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how horrible to fall into the web of his deceptions
and lies. So far from minimizing Satan, it actually magnifies
the reality of Satan. So Satan is not physical, although
we can use physical things to point towards Satan. We
know on the basis of scripture that Satan is non corporeal,
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non physical, but nonetheless, real angels are non physical, non corporeal,
but nonetheless real. If you died, you would continue to exist,
although not physically. Your physical body will have died, but
you will continue to exist metaphysically. So there's a metaphysical
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aspect of your humanity that transcends the physical nature of
your body. And what happens then at resurrection is that
metaphysical aspect. The soul or the spirit returns to the
body and the body is resurrected and mortal, imperishable, and corruptible.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Yeah. Man, I've heard you say that metaphysical. I'm gonna
let you go now, but I've heard you say that
several times, and I'm gonna assuse some study on that
because it must be important. I've heard you say that
quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, it's beyond the physical, that's the point.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Yeah. Oh, that's what it means.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Okay, Yeah, thank you, Hey, you got it. Thank you
so much for your call. CJ. We're almost at a
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God Spoken? Are the words of Scripture merely human in origin?
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Or are they, in fact the very words of God himself.
Three years in the making and based on two decades
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Spoken answers what is surely the most important question facing
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Bible's Divine inspiration, Hank counters the contentions of the Bible
attackers and clearly shows that belief in the Holy Scriptures
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