Bigfoot's Innocence - Yeti Talks - Interviuew with Ridgewalker In Two Worlds author Greg Walter - Bigfoot’s Wilderness Podcast

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M It's a big world out there. Welcome to Bigfoot's Wilderness Podcast. We'll

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welcome back to Bigfoot's Wilderness tonight.I have a special guest on the podcast.
His name is Greg and he's goingto share his encounter and his book
Ridgewalker in Two Worlds. But beforewe start the interview, I thought i'd
share a story or two. Andif you're a pro Bigfoot believer, as
some would say, you may findthese stories pretty incredible. I'll just say

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that Bigfoot behavior isn't always going tobe the same. They can be different,
just like we are. This firststory was published on a Facebook page
called the Sasquatch Highway. If you'reusing Facebook to follow groups and pages,
I highly suggest this one. Alot of effort is put into it and

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it's not your run of the millBigfoot fan page. And by the way,
check out Bigfoots Wilderness too when you'rechecking through your social media. Thanks
everyone, I think this has gotto be my favorite story and the image,
well, it actually speaks of kindnessand innocence. Once again, this

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is from a group of friends thatare telling me all these stories, which
I don't know whether or not they'retrue, but I find them very amusing
and inspirations for my art. Thesubject in this is Robert, who lives
out in the woods and has hisbest friend, a bully pitbull by the
name of Roscoe, who weighs awhopping one hundred and twenty pounds. Roscoe

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is quite intimidating and has been knownto chase the local black bears away,
yet overall has a very kind,playful, yet protective demeanor. Robert began
to notice a daily pattern of Roscoerunning off towards the evening and would come
back within an hour and a halfwith either a bone or a large stick,

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and would place them in a pilein front of the front door that
was beginning to build up. Finally, curiosity got the best of rot so
on a particular day, he discreetlyfollowed behind Roscoe to see what was this
routine that occupied his thoughts and actionsevery day, and what was behind these
sticks and bones that he was collecting. Robert began to notice that Roscoe,

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without hesitation, was heading straight towardsa bridge that overlooked a creek and that
had an embankment on the side thatthe locals say was inhabited by something that
looks like a giant bear, butwas much larger than any of the local
bears ever seen because people only gota glimpse of it. Robert began to

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hear the sound of Roscoe barking,but surprisingly it was in a playful way.
Once he got to the area,he found Roscoe at the edge of
the bridge, barking by the sideof the embankment, but not going into
it. Suddenly, Robert began tohear a movement and to actually feel the
pounding of whatever it was. Giventhe disc it must have been huge,

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as he could actually feel each stepmade by whatever this was. Suddenly like
a bolt of lightning, his heartbegan to shudder, and he thought the
metallic taste in his mouth that accompaniesthat paralyzing fear. He just stood there,
motionless as it came up from theembankment. It had to be well

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over nine feet tall, with shouldersthree times as wide as his own.
It initially glared at Robert, almostas if to acknowledge that it knew he
was there, but proceeded to ignoreRobert and took a stick that was in
its hand and threw it in thedirection of Roscoe. Robert sat in amazement

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on a stump. As this wenton for about forty five minutes, as
these two seemed to have some kindof bond and it was obvious that this
interaction was something that they both cameto look forward to. During the entire
interaction, neither this thing nor Roscogo looked in Robert's direction, with the
exception of the one time it momentarilygazed to acknowledge that it knew he was

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there. Suddenly, this huge,almost human looking creature let out a grunt,
which evidently Roscoe understood to mean thattheir interaction was done. Upon turning
and heading back towards the embankment,it stopped and looked at Robert and let
out the oddest sound. It wasa very deep chested, heavy but soft

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whoop, and glared into his eyesfor a good five seconds. Robert could
almost read what it was trying totell him by its glare, and to
this day he has not taken anyoneto the area, though he has on
many occasions gone and watched the interactionfrom a distance, and out of respect
for the sheer experience of witnessing thissuch a strong bond yet strangely pure and

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innocent interaction, Robert stays out ofit. Robert stated that he gets the
impression they don't want to interact withus too much because they don't trust us.

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Artist and sculptor Andrea Lupchenko claims thathe came face to face with an
abominable snowman back in twenty fifteen.What's more, the Yeti almost seemed to
pose for him, not withdrawing orskulking away into the wilderness. Lupchenko attempted
to draw the creature on some birchbark. The pair even managed to speak.

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He claimed, it happened so unexpectedlyand fast that I didn't have time
to get scared. He said,there was a clear feeling that this was
a thinking creature, and I felthe was trying to talk to me.
The yetty was two and a halfmeters tall or about eight feet tall,
with thick, dark brown hair likea bear's, but looked softer, not

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as coarse as a bear's, andit was holding a wooden stick with bits
of hair wrapped around it. Butthe main thing was his eyes. They
were just like light colored human eyes. At the time, he was in
the remote tiger Kmarovo region, wellknown as the Russian region with the most

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yetty sightings. It was on themorning of the twenty seventh of July.
I went into Tiger to gather materialsfor wooden sculptures. I usually get a
lot of curved and unusually shaped branches. I live right next to the edge
of Tiger, so I left earlyin the morning. It was five am.
I was getting close to the TrunukaMountain. I went out onto a

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small open patch, and there Ibegan to feel a presence. It was
that feeling that you get when youknow you're not alone. I started to
turn back and saw something standing up. It was him deeper in the woods,
not going away, but trying tocommunicate. It happened so unexpectedly and

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fast that I had no time toget scared. Lupchenko explained further, I
am saying he because of the shapeof his body, his gestures, his
behavior were clearly mail. His bodywas very tone, with lots of visible
muscles. His hands and feet wereproportionate to his body the same way as

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with humans. His face was expressive. Also, I remember he had huge
legs, and a rough estimation wasthat he had about eighteen inches of a
footprint. His feet were huge Ican't describe or understand how we spoke,
because well, it sounds unbelievable.It felt like we heard each other's thoughts,

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as if it was telepathy. Therewas only one word that the Yetty
actually said when I asked his name. His voice was low and chesty,
and the name resounded as if somebodyhit a tambourine twice ta'ban. After the
encounter, he sought a person whospoke the local Siberian Shore language and asked

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about a meaning of the word,without explaining where and how he heard it.
He was told that there can beseveral translations, one meaning a soul
and another one meaning the one thatwasn't discovered. The artist said he was
talking to the Yetty for about fortyminutes. He admitted he could not prove

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his encounter and that he was previouslypredisposed to believe in the existence of the
Yeti, factors which are in commonwith many supposed sightings. I didn't have
my phone or camera phone or acamera, but I always carry a pencil
and something I can draw on.This time it was a piece of birch

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tree bark. He said, Imade a drawing of the Yeti and showed
him the YETI studied it really carefulfor a while, and then he drew
a symbol next to my drawing.I still can't find what the symbol means.
I've been going through books and theInternet but found nothing really similar.

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Well, there is one similar lookingsymbol for friendship, but I am not
sure this is it. If Yeti'slive so close to people. He was
asked by Natalia Guzeva, a journalist, why they did not show themselves more
to humans. I wonder if theyare scared to intervene. Do you think

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it was easy to put up withthis meeting. I am still in a
state of shock. I can't believeit happened to me, he said,
Why was he chosen by the Yetti? I guess it was just a pure
coincidence. Or perhaps it happened becauseI sincerely believed in Yetti's existence and imagined

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how one day I would meet him. I've been dreaming about meeting them.
To be honest, I also don'tthink I am the only person that has
ever met a Yetti. Others simplydon't speak about it rightly, fearing they
might be called insane. All Ican say about myself is that I am
as normal as one can find.I am physically and mentally healthy. I

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don't drink or take drugs. Ithink one day I'll get back to the
place where we've met. I thinkwe might see each other again, the
newspaper said it asked about him,and he is a reputable person in the
city, quite well known, andcertainly isn't seen as a nutter. Russia's
best known Yeti hunter, igor Bertsev, head of the Russian International Center of

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Homonology, has previously stated that asmany as thirty yeti's rome Kameovo region,
we are on the brink of findingthe Yetti at long last, he said
back in two thousand eleven. However, many sightings or finds of yetty hair
or footprints have been disputed by otherexperts who point out no remains of the

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animal have ever been discovered. Allright, and onto our interview with Greg

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and his bigfoot encounter and also hisbook Ridgewalkers in Two Worlds. Enjoy so
Greg, thank you so much forcoming on to Bigfoots Wilderness podcast. And
I want to tell you that whatyour encounter story that you shared with me
that I've read, I really enjoyed, and I know you've got a lot

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more than that to share. We'reall looking forward to hearing about your book,
and then, of course we'll alwayswant to know after that if you're
writing another book. But Greg isa writer, author, and his bigfoot
book, I called it a bigfootbook, is called Ridgewalker in Two Worlds.

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Very cool cover, too, soreshare with us now, I know
I kind of put a couple ofa little regiment together. I said,
Okay, I want to know aboutyour book. I want to know about
your counter story. I want toknow. I also want to know about
your your favorite video or photo outthere that you think prus that Bigfoot is

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real. Now, of course,I'm totally in the camp of Bigfoot is
reel. I saw something a fewyears ago, and I'm almost positive that
bigfoot is absolutely real. My kidssaw it, everybody in my family saw
it. But I'm the only onethat believes what I saw isn't that creating?
It happens as such. Yes,So thank you for having me on

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your show. I deeply appreciate that. My name is Greg Walter, author
of Bridgewalkers in Two Worlds. Ibased the book on my encounter that I
had with one of these cryptids backin it was like the mid nineteen nineties
and right on the borderlands between southernOregon and northern California, and it was

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a very inten ends experience. Ididn't realize what I had walked into,
but over the course of several yearsI was able to piece together what I
experienced, and that's what led medown this path of where these things are
more spiritual than they are in thehorror genre. But that was my experience

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and so and that was within thearea of knowledge and in place that I
know the best. The book isa sci fi magical realism. I did
that on purpose, I guess,in part just to test my ability to
write a sci fi book, butalso that I sin since we all are

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still struggling with provenance within the cryptedarena of you know, what are these
things? Are they here twenty fourseven? Why why aren't they in the
fossil record? Why haven't we founda full skeleton? Some would argue,
well, we kind of have,you know, or we found skulls.
We found remnants, but in differentplaces, not so much in the Pacific

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Northwest, and you know, andI think that there's a reason for that.
I think. Also, you know, this is once again my thoughts
on the topic, and you know, this is this is why we tend
to um, we tend to tella story or a narrative that this is
what we've been able to piece together. And this is the thing is that

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as much as I can can debateon this show, as as far as
being a skeptic in this and I'mplaying the devil's advocate there, I can
also then you know, it stillcomes back around to all of the various
sightings in all of these different places, and but yet we still have very
little physical evidence. We have thefootprints and the casts. And you know,

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the one part I hang my haton there was that from Texas who
was ah, he was a forensic. He was a forensic guy basically,
you know, making a statement lookingat all these different footprint casts. He
studies footprints as far as solving crimes. That's his that's his suit DuJour.
And what he said on that show, or what he determined, was that

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ninety eight percent of all those footprintsout there are just are just malarkey.
It's somebody having fun with you.Um. But then there was two of
them two of them that he said, this cannot have been have been falsified,
and you know, and he justbasically left it with you know,
whatever it is, you folks upthere in the Northwest have got something that

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you know, you don't know aboutyet. And so that jumped to me
because that was a guy that hedidn't care one way or the other the
thing exists, it doesn't exist.You know, he's looking at shoeprints so
he can solve a crime down inTexas. And so you know that I
like those kind of bias thoughts onthis, you know, when we get

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into you know, real versus fakeand you know, but but says,
a lot of my friends are inthe scientific community, and you know,
and a lot of them also arewildlife surveyors and similar to I think I
sent you a video of this ofthe most elusive man in North America where
it took him six weeks to finallyfind this guy. And you know,

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and someone like that, you know, it's kind of weird because that can
play on both sides. Like Ihave a friend that lives out probably within
six air miles or where I hadmy encounter, and he's lived out on
the land there for forty five yearsoff and on. I mean, he
kind of disappears in different seasons,steps out of there and goes goes down
into California or wherever he's going.But you know, he's never had an

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encounter. No tree knocks, nono feeding them apples, nothing results.
Um, you know, everything that'shappened to him or everything that's that basically
he knows about he got from me. And a lot of that too is
where that's because he's not in theright place to have the encounter with these
things, which then kind of waita minute, you know, because I

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felt like the thing that I sawwould have no problem traversing the landscape going
across i mean, major river canyonsinto other mountain ranges. And so when
people say, oh, it's alittle big food, well there's the possibility
that they did. You know.Now, the question that that really we
need to bring to bear here isthat are these things here twenty four to

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seven like we have, you know, monkeys living in a cave somewhere,
or are they coming from the otherplace or another place? And that would
be you know, so now wego go down the rabbit hole of dimensional
theory and all of these different scientificthings that I think we fully know about
three percent of the universe right now, and so there's a lot of room

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for for knowledge to fourth. Andyou know, the other thing too,
is that when you think about theory, you know, before you get to
theory, you have to have hypothesis, and before you get to hypothesis,
you have to have an idea,you know, and then and then work
your way through the evidence gathering,you know, and all these different things

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that leads to theory that then leadsto fact and so so that's so that's
kind of you know, just ascientific process that that we need to get
broken down, um, you know. And that's but I mean back around
to that fellow and his name slipsmy mind, sig or Big or something.
Um. You know that that forthe amount of time he spends out

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there, you know, how oftenhas he run across something that like,
wait a minute, that wasn't abear, that wasn't a cougar? You
know? What was that? Andyou know, and and I think we've
you know, because a lot ofpeople who are unfamiliar with the woods see
things where it's just a bear,you know, you know, might be
something weird like a like a fisheror even like a wolverine, which is

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which is very rare. But nonetheless, they are around out there and you
know, um and so and so, did we run across a known animal
or but it was just something thatwe're just not familiar with, m you
know, or was it something else? And this is where and this is
where the mystery is, and thisis what makes it really so much fun.

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Oh, I totally agree. Excuseme. The whole thing with Bigfoot
is there are so many TV shows, and I don't want to go off
on a tangent about TV shows,but I hope everybody can understand it.
I'm not a TV producer an executive. I know about as much about TV

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as anybody else listening to this.They are never going to prove Bigfoot is
real on TV. If you foundthat Bigfoot was real and they had all
the evidence displayed on TV, theirshow would be over. They don't want
their show to be over. Theyto run that thing for ten more years,
just like they did with the lastone. So it's never gonna happen

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on TV. So everything that anybodywatches on TV, it's just going to
be suspenseful. And that's going tobe the end of it. You're never
gonna find out anything about Bigfoot onTV. Just remember that it's entertainment.
TV is entertainment now. And that'skind of what you know, when you
think about like Patterson Gimblin just sortof like a you know, you know,

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the Rosetta stone of this whole ofthis whole foundation of Bigfoot and motion,
you know. And and it's difficultthere because there's a lot of ways
we could say, wow, forsure that was it. The muscle structure,
the way the thing moved, etcetera, so forth, it wasn't
like anything that I saw. Um, you know, my guy was probably

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like a solitary male, thin,very muscular. Could I mean this thing
could run down a deer and killit, you know, with its bare
hands, no problem, grab arock and just go clunk and um,
you know, down a deer ata dead run. Um, that thing
on the Patterson Gimlin. And Idon't think so the deer could easily escape
that guy. Um, I think, you know, um, show me

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something different. But but you know, the other thing there too was that
was that this is where the skepticscome out and say, wait a minute,
it was it was late October,and they raised a good point here.
You know, the rainy season wasabout to set in. Um.
If you've ever spent any time inBluff Creek, it's actually a very beautiful
canyon. Um. I've done alot of historic trail research. There were
not a lot, but you know, I was able to find the actual

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historic trail going up from the KlamathRiver and going all the way up the
creek. Um. You know.Now, the thing is that so here
it was late October, those guyswere under the gun to come up with
something. Roger Patterson I think hadan experience or you know, he was
a he was a Hollywood stunt stuntguy, and so he was familiar with

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costumes and you know, things likethis and then the other the other.
So there's there's that just a plant. And then the other part of that
too was that I thought that theguy I think his name was Renee or
Ray or something. Yeah, yeah, I thought he was the one that
said I was the guy in themonkey suit on his deathbed. Um.
You know. And you know,and the thing about it is that that

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might have been debunket. Well thatwasn't Renee or you know, I'm I'm
yeah, a friend of mine andI actually talk a little bit about this
in my book Ridgewalkers in Two Worlds. I'm gonna hold it up, and
I'm regarding treasure hunting, you know, and how when you tell somebody you
know that that pirate peach secret treasuregot found, you know, than their

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immediate responses where you're just saying thatbecause you're gonna go after it now and
you're gonna take it from me andso and so, and this is it's
a common thing within the treasure huntingcommunity. You know that they're very possessive
with the stuff. Go figure,it's treasure, right right, It's not
not unlike two salesmen who won't shareeach other's trade secrets. I get that,

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but I I really want to hearyour encounter story from start to finish.
That's what I'm I think everybody's gonnareally gravitate towards and then and then
I want um and then I andI'll ask for more later. But while
you're doing that, I'm going toeat these peanuts Carolina Nut Company with smokey
mazzarella flavor. I've been dying totry these all day long. So it

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won't be my popcorn, so it'llbe my peanuts and I will be eating
these and listening intently. So wheneveryou're ready, I want to hear that,
because that because we can we cango on and on about um,
Patty and Jeff Meldrum and Grover Crantzand all that, and uh, but
you're you're you. You had anexperience and only you can share it the

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way you can. And unfortunately Ididn't get any photographs, Um, you
know, but but I'll I'll breakthis out that goes beyond the book a
little bit. But also I wantto peak the listener into wanting to get
a copy of the book so theycould read, because I put my personal
experience as a twenty three hundred wordthey're right up in the beginning of the

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book, and it kind of whatit took many I mean, it took
two decades or longer for me toactually decide to tell this story to the
world. And you know, andI still do it with a lot of
hesitancy because I feel like I've becomesome weird protector of the native ways of

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how they approach these things and whatit means to them. And that's from
doing a lot of research, talkingto elders and sorting this thing out.
And the thing I love about thatis because it's timeless. I mean,
it goes back thousands of years withintheir culture in certain cultures, and so
and there's a lot more to itthan than just the giant. It's also

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the little people and that's their gods, that's their immortals and so m you
know, it's not like in somedrunken stupor I dreamed the stuff up.
That's what they do, you know, it's what they believe in. And
so okay, So what happened.I think I was at a time in
my life where I was going throughchanges. I needed to get out on

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an area and I needed to justbecause I was a backpacker at heart,
I was totally familiar with hiking acrossthe landscape, going out there, you
know, living in a little puptent for for six to twelve nights.
You know, whatever I was doing. I wasn't quite the elitist as far
as you know, the PCT hiker, where I want to hike from Mexico
to Canada. I was more intodifferent areas that offered me a wilderness experience.

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And you know, hence the showBigfoot's Wilderness, um, and you
know, and I didn't think Iwas walking into this, and so as
I went into it with unexpectations andso but I had it in my mind,
like I thought, you know,wouldn't it be cool if I ran
into dot dot dot? So sohere I was. I went out to

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an area and it was going tobe about a sixty mile loop hike,
so to speak, kind of aweird elongated loop, because I was following
a couple of different ridgelines and thendropping into a river canyon. And the
trail, it showed it very clearlyon this map that was completely inaccurate.

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When you get out on the ground, you know, it's like the trail
all that disappears, you know.Sometimes I was having to backpack like three
hundred yards see some rock carns becauseit would cross a meadow. I'd see
the cairns. Well, then itwould disappear in the forest and I'd have
to drop the pack, scout thetrail out, go back to the pack,
pick it up, do the samething repeatedly for miles, for like

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two or three miles. And soas I found myself at this place,
well, well, first of all, before I took off, before I
went on the actual sixty mile hike, I decided to go to this other
place very close by, and Idid, and I burned some age.
You know, I didn't have acampfire. I was by myself. I
didn't have a gun. I hadmy camera, but I didn't use it

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very much. It was just justone of these funky little small cameras and
so and so I went out thereand burned some sage, and then from
there went back to my truck.The next morning, loaded up my gear
for the longer trip, took offout on this thing, and I go
to it my second night, soto speak. I went to a place
where there was a spring. AndI saw the spring. I just kind

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of glanced at it. And Iset up my tent in a really really
small meadow, but a very beautifulThis was like old growth incense cedars,
and these things are huge, andthe whole damn place smelled like pencils,
you know, like sharpened pencils.It was just just amazing. You know.
It was summer, you know,and so and really it was an
early summer, and that was ayear that there was going to be I

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think two blue moons, but Igot the first blue moon month and it
was that first blue moon in earlyJune, and so and so there was
going to be a rising moon.I was catching it right on the moon
rise or or you know, likethis, and um. And from there,
I set up my tent, wentback over to this spring to put

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some water, fill up with somewater, and I see this beautiful,
beautiful giant salamander, and I went, wow, you are so cool,
you know, And I picked himup and held him and thanked him for
being there and like this to sethim back down. And then and then
from there, I then you know, slept the night, you know,
bugs eating me and so forth.And I take off out another four miles

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because you know, once again havingto drop my pack, navigate where this
trail is because it was basically allbut obliterated and um. And I get
out to a place that I knewgeographically where I was, and so I
I then from that from that pointwhere there was a juncture, there was
another mountain range almost that are likea like a major ridge line that that

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kind of fed in right there.And I went walking up and there was
this amphitheater and I thought, wow, this is cool. It's a big
flat area about the size of afootball field, you know, roughly and
brushy and forested in certain areas andthen open forests and others. And so
so I camped next to a therewas like a really small Darlingtonia pond.

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And the Darlingtonia are these picture plants. Pitcher plants are their carnivorous plants that
live, you know, in thisin this region. You know, they
eat insects. Sorry, they don'teat humans, you know. Um.
But but at any rate, umum. So, so I'm camped in
this area. What that showed mewas that I was on a contact zone
because it went from conifer forest intothese picture plants and incense cedar. And

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also there was Jeffrey poine and sothat's what's called a serpentine environment. And
serpentine is its geology from the Earth'smantle risen up. But then you also
get these contact zones, and thisis important, um and so so at
any rate, um. From there, what happened was I walked up to
the top of this ridge line.There were some turns up there, like

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little ponds, you know, maybelike the size of someone's bedroom ponds you
know, and maybe about a footdeep and so and so just to get
a view out over the general regionand so forth went back to me.
I went back to my camp.The sun was setting, and it was
at time of the thin red line, and Carlos Castaneda talks about this.
There are several there's several entities thattalk about that time of power from from

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lightness into dark. And it wasright at that time, right at the
thin red line, that all ofa sudden, I hear this bush crash,
crash, crack, dundun dune overon the far side of the Amphitheater.
And it wasn't that far from me, maybe I don't know, maybe
like one hundred hundred and twenty feet, but I could hear this thing and
then it stops and there was acouple of ponds up there and it um

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and I could hear this slurping soundslurt, slurb slurt, and hell is
you know this is not a airwell. Also, I should mention prior
to that, you know, whenI was setting up my camp, I
was sweating from the day and soforth, I set my tent up and
I went over and um and Iwould I would basically boil up a little

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bit of water. I didn't evenget into a boil, just just nice
warm water I could pour over myhead, you know, to wash all
the you know, the dust anddirt off from the day in the sweat.
And so I find this place whereit's like a little bit of a
gravelly wash, you know, butvery small. Um. And it had
gravel and some sand and stuff,and that was a nice flat rock.

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So I said, okay, that'sperfect, I'll stand there and pour.
Well, right when I was aboutthe poor water in my head, I
looked down. I see a footprint, and I'm going, okay, this
is cool. Um. And theknee thing with it was and darn it,
I didn't bring my plaster, youknow, so I couldn't make a
plaster cast or anything. Um butum. But at any rate, it
had a curvature at the heel.And that jumped at me because I remember

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seeing the patter in casts, andI remember seeing you know, just because
you live in Bigfoot country, youknow, you want to get familiar with
these cool things. And I rememberfor some reason that locked in my head.
And so at anyway, I continuedtaking my bath and went back over
to my tent. And then Inoticed over by the tent there were like
footprints, but they were smeared andso, you know, and I thought,

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oh, it looks like a coupleof bears must have been wrestling or
you know, something was in astruggle here. And you know, in
this area and in that whole regionof the Klamaths, it's rich with bears.
I mean they are just they're likeclockwork. Two o'clock in the afternoon.
Go to any meadow, and boy, there's a couple of them,
you know, and they love grazingon the onions out in the meadows.

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You know, there's these wild onionsout there, and so and so at
anyway, it's summertime. You know, they're closing in on summer and so,
so anyway, all of that washappening. I go up and I
get this view spot. I comeback down. Here comes this encounter.
This thing comes across and drinks water. I could hear it slurping water.
So wherever it was, it wasin a place it must not have held

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any water. And that also registeredwith me later that he didn't come down
from the ridgeline. Otherwise I wouldhave heard him. And also we would
have drank water up there because therewas ponds up there available. And so
as I hear this thing's drinking water, and then I hear a splash,
splash, splash, crash, cracked, And all this time he's moving in
the shadow of the amphitheater. He'sstaying in shadow. This thing knows moonlight

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light, you know, like thisend shadow and so and so he was.
He was completely attuned to what hewas doing. And from there he
does a semicircle around my camp.Probably the closest point where he came to
me was maybe about sixty maybe seventyfeet away, maybe a little farther,
but in that realm. And nowI'm finally seeing him. And it was

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a biped maybe eight eight and ahalf feet tall, and this thing just
glass. He turned and looked atme with these icy gray eyes, and
yeah, God, I'd seen thatbefore somewhere in all my comic book reading
and so forth, like this,um you know. Side note that was
from a Tarzan comic book. Ihad, like a Life magazine sized one,

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and it showed the apes, youknow, and god, there were
those icy gray eyes. So anyway, this thing, this thing stares me
down. I'm holding my flashlight bymy tent, I don't have it on,
and I just here in my head, don't even think about it.
You know, I'm like, don't, don't even put that on me.
You know, you're not going totreat me like a cop, you know,

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and so and so at that point, I just froze, you know,
I just stood still, and thisthing continues to do a semi circle
and then drops down below you knowwhere where he's hiking, down where he
would cross the trail that I camein on, and then down into the
river canyon or down into like aside creek which is a big creek.

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But but you know, and thendisappears. You know. Um, so
here it was, you know,ten o'clock at night, you know,
having this encounter. I'm out thereby myself, four or five six miles
away from my truck, and youknow, there's no way I'm going to
pack up my gear and split anabject fear it'd probably kill myself for getting

(37:20):
severely hurt trying to get out ofthere. And so I said, you
know what, to heck with it. He knows where I'm at, and
so if he wants to come backwith a big club, and you know,
club bea to death and that's what'sgoing to happen. But I didn't
get that he didn't come back.There was no rocks thrown at my tent.
There was nothing. And I probablyhad about a minute and a half

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to two minutes with him in theamphitheater as he appeared cross this, cross
this pond and disappeared and I gotthere was just a couple of seconds where
I got a really good look athim, you know, and I could
see the hair and just very athletic. I mean, this thing was muscled.
Um. Yeah, it could easily. I mean, go ahead,

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you could be the most you know, long distance runner imaginable. This thing
would to run you down no problem, um, you know. And it
could make distance. I mean,you know as far as as far as
it wouldn't surprise me if this thingcould do thirty miles in a night or
forty. I mean, it wasjust that strong. And I'm in a
heavy presence, I mean, andand I felt like it wasn't from this

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world. Um, but some ofthat could be that I that I'm running
across a biped you know, I'mbigger than me walking by me, you
know, and so right there.That's that's gonna that's gonna make the freak
meter go go through the charts.So that was it, you know,
and then from there I continued onmy hike. Well, I dropped down

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so the next day because there wasa couple of big lakes down at the
other side of this where I gotup on the high point, and I
decided the next day to drop downthere to see if I see footprints down
there, you know, to seeif this thing came up from that side.
So I went down. It wasit was a struggle, scramble down
the boulders and so forth like this. I got down to this lake,
you know, six hundred feet belowme. Nothing no footprints, no,

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no, no, nothing. Youknow, I didn't see any big foot
cave, you know, not aAnd so I went back to my pack,
continued on my way, and ata later point where I was about
to spend the night at a certainplace, I ran into a couple of
bear you out in a meadow afternoon, and it was just so much fun

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because you know, they were rompingand playing in the meadow and I just
got to sit down, sit inthe grass, relax, and they would
look over at me. But thenthey just continue romping and playing, and
I just felt like, okay,so I'm kind of part of the whole
scene here. You know, I'mnot above it, I'm not below it.
I'm just a part of it.I'm just woven into the fabric of

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nature. At this point. Thisis cool. And so so from there
it continued on my hike, noother encounters, nothing, all right.
So then years later this is whereit gets. This is the stuff that's
outside the book. Sorry, I'mokay, um um and so and so

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what happened was years later, somebodyreally needs to get a hold of you.
Yeah right, Well I thought Iput it on airplane mode, but
I guess not. Um yeah andso and so at any rate, um
um I um so. So yearslater, I mean obviously this prompted me
to start doing research in this.And there was a time where I tried

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calling um it was a guy doingthe big Foot project and he was the
one. It was like one eighthundred big foot and I called him one
time and just had a real briefI think I left a message and that
was it. He never called back. Peter Byrne, That's who it was.
And um and so because this waskind of hot on the plate at
that time, you know, asfar as he encounters all right, Well

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so then so then I remember goingback in there with some of my friends
and UM, and we were gettingrecorded on these game cameras, and then
we run into this group. Wellpart of the group was this guy from
the Crypto of the Crypto, theSociety of Cryptozoological Research in New York City
and UM, and he was goingout there on repeated trips, and I

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think his third trip in there wasright after that he died of an inoperable
brain tumor. And UM and boydid that ever? Did that ever send
alarm bells off? And um andso and so. At any rate,
what happened there was in the coursethat I think it was like five years
later, I was talking to anelder and you know when he was telling

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me, he said, well,you know, just to let you know
in this whole thing, that thedoctors or the apprentices, you know,
one or the other, they wouldgo up, they would have prayer spots
that they would go along into themountains to approach these areas. And these
areas are I mean, you've justwalked into their church and um, you

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know, and and so and soat anyway in these areas, though,
they would do different prayers and umand they and from there, if they
approached the spring, if they getup to a spring, if they see
a salamander in the spring, that'san indicator that they're on the right path,
that they're going to have their encounter. And so then what they would

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do is that next night they wouldwait at the just the right time and
they would literally sing a song ofintroduction, especially when the thing would would
would appear and or approach, Sothey would sing a song of introduction,
and then they would sing a songseeking knowledge and the knowledge, you know,

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keep in mind they're doing this intheir native tongue, you know,
you know, sorry, the LinguaFrancas, you know, whatever the natives
have spoken for the last two thousandyears, um and so and so.
What would happened then is that theSasquads they're also known as the teacher and
the teachers, what they do isthey portend the future for the tribe.

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And you know, a great examplejust recently was we had these fires along
the Klamath River, and the fires, um, you know, they were
able to get somewhere out of acontrol on this. But then here comes
these rain clouds that drop rain thatthen cause like a landslide of ash into
the river. That then so herecomes a bunch of phosphorus into the river

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that displaces the oxygen that kills thefish and so so, and this is
the kind of thing that the bigFoot or the you know, these teachers
would would basically tell them that,you know, you might you might have
a problem with your fish supply thisnext summer, and so you better plan
for other food sources. And that'sthat's the power of what these things bring.

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They portend the future for the tribe, for the survivability and especially food
security for that tribe. And soyou know, and this is and I
feel like this knowledge is pretty universal. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me
if pretty much anywhere in the NorthAmerican continent wherever these things, you know,
wherever sightings are, at one timeor another, there was a there

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was a relationship and that you hadtribal people, certain elders, certain shamans
and so overth like that we're ableto go up there and approach these things
and gain knowledge from them, um, you know, And to me,
that just Wow. That blows mymind. Um, because because when this
fellow was telling me about this fiveyears later, I had to think,

(44:38):
think afterward, I think you knownow that I remember I had this encounter
with a salamander, you know,and um, and I kind of how
was he telling me what I sawwhen I didn't tell it to him?
And you know, and so andso now there's that's some fairly good providence,
um, you know. But um, but at any rate, it

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was just something that it was likeI walk into this thing and I'm the
stupid one, you know, Um, you know, because I just didn't
contain that knowledge. And you know, those apprentices underneath the shaman under you
know, the shamans, they aretrained for years sometimes to even approach these
places and be able to go upinto these higher places of power and be

(45:21):
able to contend with whatever they runinto. Um, you know, because
the thing, I mean like Ifelt like if I would have put a
flashlight on him and hey hold on, let me get my camera out and
stay right there, you know,I mean, this thing could easily just
walk over and you know, brainme with a beefbone. Um, you
know. But but instead I heldrespect and slept like a baby. Um,

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slept like a baby through the night, and the thing never back.
And and I didn't hear any treeknocks. I didn't have any you know,
I didn't have the normal sorts ofthings you hear in a lot of
these encounter stories. UM. Youknow, I wonder how much of that
is antagonists stick not so much fromthe people to the sasquatch, but from
the sasquatch to the people out there. I don't know. I mean,

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that's that's an open question I have. UM. So yeah, that was
That was pretty much it. Um. You know. In since then,
it's led me down a path ofdoing a lot more research in linguistic studies,
tribal lore, um, you know, all these different things that that
cooborated with my story, and thatthat salamander came back around to the salamander.

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And a friend of mine, who'sactually a colleague up at Oregon Caves
who's now retired, he wrote abook and it's called American Elves, and
it's an encyclopedia of the little people, um from the lore of three hundred
and eighty ethnic groups throughout the WesternHemisphere and UM. And half of the
book is bibliography and so and so, and what this deals with are these

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are these immortals. And um,my friend John, when I had him,
signed the book because I and Isaid, well, can you tell
me a good little personal story,he says, I got one. And
this happened about three years ago.It was up at Mountaineer National Park September.
The snow had just fallen, sothere was like a dusting of snow

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down at the Paradise Lodge and inthe area there. And there was a
maintenance worker, a friend of John'sand who was the author of that book.
And this maintenance worker was out ata little shed where they had a
generator and he was doing some workon it, and he heard like light
little footfalls. Hell yeah, andhe looked out. He just kind of

(47:34):
peeked over the door of the shedand he sees this thing and it was
like it was like almost approaching him. And then it went ah, you
know, and it stood about twoand a half feet tall, half deer,
half human. You know, I'mlike a like an infant baby almost,
and it had been shocked and itjust turned and ran like crazy into
like this side ravine that disappears.That's it. And that was one of

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the little people. And these thingsare the way you split out the little
people. The way I do itanyways, is that is that you've got
you've got people afflicted with dwarfism,you know, that's basically a medical ailment
is recognized. They're in the fossilrecord, you know, we know,
we know well of them. Andthen you've got little people, you know,

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such as pigmies, and they comein many different sizes and shapes that
might be sort of along the lineof like the Pendak orange and also some
of these some of these Indonesian UmI think it's Homo florence ci um,
you know, is another example.They're in the fossil record Pendak, isn't

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you know. We'd love to seeone of those guys and um. And
so so you know, we cantrack these out because of that. And
I think John had mentioned that therewas a cave in Wyoming where they found
about six skeletal remains of little peopleand um. You know, these are
like three foot tall. The thingswe're referring to here are the spiritual things,

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and these are the heavy hitters.They live for two to three thousand
years. We really don't know.There's examples of them. I mean all
throughout the world. The men ofHuni of Hawaii come to mind. There's
different names that the tribes call them. Sometimes they have different interpretations. They'll
have lizard legs, they'll have youknow, they're half deer there. You

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know, some might even call themskin walkers. One of my friends ran
into one of them in the Navajolands where it was like this, half
dear, half human and um,and yeah, what these are are their
gods? I mean, these arethe immortals. And you know when I
think that the little people and thesasquads, the giants are almost inextricably tied

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together, you know, and andyou know, it's just something that the
only reason why I bring that upis because within the tribal war, it
would be like us talking about Jesus, but we never mentioned God. And
so you know, to think ofit in those terms, and you also
have to think in terms of twothat you know, these tribes had their
gods and heroes. You know thatthat I'm similar to our Greek mythology.

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Just you know, imagine on thenorthwest coast of British Columbia or you know,
the Rocky Mountains or you know,and so to your listeners, you
know, I just invite them toto you know, research further and find
whatever tribal lore might be happening aroundwherever they might have their encounter and what
they can learn from that end ofit. Um, you know, they

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could help perhaps fill the gaps ofwhat of what what they experienced. So
what do you And again you said, there's a there's a there's a connection
between the little people, the immortalsand the sasquash. And what do you
think the connection is? Do youthink they're equal unequal? Do you think

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they work? Intend like would giveme a little more specific. I think
that they work. They worked together, you know, Um, they're separate,
but together, Um they they theybasically like like in the lore of
the native tribe that I'm familiar with, what it was was that the immortals
were relegated to these mid elevation ridgelines, and there's land babies and there's water

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babies. What I ran into wasa water baby. It was a salamander.
And um, and so you know, their their exact connection I'm not
sure of. But from the shamansand from the doctors, they basically,
uh, this is how they arguablylearned when they first arrived there fourteen thousand

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and ten thousand, you know,twenty thousand years ago, whatever it was,
that that that this was who theylearned from to be able to survive
on the landscape. And as aresult, and even celebration of they would
have ceremonies, um some call themworld renewal ceremonies where they basically they renew

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the world. They purge, cleansand renew the world through the ceremony.
And if the ceremony is done rightand they follow all the procedures exactly to
a t um um, that thearea will be blessed by by the little
people. Um. Yeah, doyou or did you or do you know
if lights any type of you know, we hear about these balls of light?

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Did did you ever experience any ofthat? Or did did did the
tribal elders speak of lights or talkabout lights? Because it seems like that
seems that appears to be something thatis occurring occasionally and it sticks out obviously.
And you know, the way Ifeel about that is is that is

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that these things are almost as variableas as humanity, you know, is
also and that for people to havethose sorts of experiences with lights and so
forth. I did not have that, and so I can't. I can't
speak to it, you know,one way or the other. I you
know, I mean, anything's possible. Um. You know, we're still

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in this nascent stage of you know, figuring out something something that to them
might be very simple as far aslike dimensional theory. You know, what
does it mean for their ability tocloak? You know, is there a
difference? Are they the same?Um? The one thing I can tell
you is that, you know,scientifically, I feel like I feel like,

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just like with doctor Meldrum, thatyou know, we would have more
evidence of these things, you know, either in the fossil record or some
kind of skeletal remains. And therehave been some skeletal remains that have been
found, just not in the actualforested areas of the Pacific Northwest. UM.
You know, and this this kindof with that, with that video
that I sent on the Pendac.You know, when you think about an

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area like that, an animal fourfeet tall, you know, like this,
you know, hiding in a doublethe triple canopy jungle, tropical jungle,
um, you know, and therate of decay of those bones and
so forth like that. Um,Okay, now I could understand where,
yeah, we could have something physicalon the ground and in that in that
circumstance, but when you look atit from the Pacific northwest, an eight

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to ten foot you know, youknow, biped running around. You know,
we should have more evidence. Andso this is what lends me to
point to the scientific or you know, looking at this whole thing with dimensional
theory. Um, you know,and just I mean I think it was
like two months ago. It wasback in July. I believe that.

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Um that two news stories that comein on the same day. One was
that they had discovered through the Hadroncollider a new particle or some new particles.
And this steps us closer. Imean you'd have to be an astrophysicist
to explain the meaning of this,but you know it steps us closer to
what these particles could mean and whata dimension is and you know how how

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that can move around. And thenon that same day with the James Webb
telescope and announcing you know this thislike look through a lens where we can
actually see these massively distant galaxies andall we have to do is find the
livable planets within a star system,Bingo. You know, we got our

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we got our habitable planet, andum, you know, and so I
think it's you know, and it'skind of like it's kind of like we're
still at baby steps in these stepsit would take for us to really have
these discoveries, and so we're justnot there yet. You know, you
obviously have a very curious mind becauseyou took a very real experience. You

(55:52):
did a lot of research, andyou came up with a lot of theories.
And I think it's I think you'realso in Bigfoot Central. You're you're
you're in a place where the experiencesof bigfoot are not abnormal, and you
just did a tremendous amount of researchabout your entire experience, from the from

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from the camping part, finding thetrail, the salamander, the actual Bigfoot
experience. I think that's um whatmost people don't do. You're you don't
come off as an amateur. Um. You know, most of the people
that look for bigfoot are unfortunately,whether you want to say that's a good
thing or a bad thing, butthey're mostly amateurs. They don't have the

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force, the force of people tobehind them, to to eventually find this
this this uh person beast creature.It's I don't think it's I don't think
it's gonna happen without the assistance ofa huge force of people that aren't amateurs.
But that's just my opinion. Otherpeople will say whatever, But you

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know, it's it's it's right,it's true, you know, and look
at look at hunters, you know. I mean the thing about a hunter
is that, you know, it'ssimilar to a forager. I mean,
I think it was in the bookTribal Bigfoot by Polities, you know,
he wrote about, um, um, you know this thing where it's like
if you talk to the natives thatare hanging around the bars and you know,

(57:20):
like this in town, and they'relike, these things don't exist.
People are nuts, get out ofhere, you know. Um. But
yet you go talk to the berrypickers, go talk to the go talk
to the ones that are picking mushrooms, you know, that are out there
in the woods, are like,oh yeah, definitely, no doubt about
it. You know, there's there'sno well maybes and sometimes no you know,

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and that's and that's also you know, power to the elders too,
and even the shamans They're very tightlipped about this stuff. They don't want
you to know because if nothing else, it steals their thunder. And so
you know, you know, I'mgonna hold up a book. I know
we can't show this on the podcast, but this is the Historical Bigfoot.
It's a thousand pages. And doyou have that as well? No,

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but I want to write that now. Yeah, The Historical Bigfoot not a
hard title to to to, umto mess up. I think it was
about thirty five dollars on Amazon,and it's it's all about it's basically articles
that were printed hundreds of years ago, one hundred years ago, eighty years
ago, forty years ago, allall instances, all news clippings that were

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that were in publications all across theUnited States going back dating back. When
did that come out? Oh gosh, I think this might even be the
second edition. I think they're noteven sure. I think this is maybe
a year. Let's see here,oh two thousand, nineteen o nineteen yeah,

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yeah, yeah, and that's youknow, I mean, and I
think that like, um, Ithink Ron Moorehead was one, you know
with his Sierra sounds. Um.Also the other one was the guy um
Tom Powell with the edges of science. You know, we're getting close.
I mean I think that these Ithink in some respects they're right on.

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You know, um when you lookat it from that side, you know,
from that view. But but withthe hunters, back to those guys,
the thing with hunters is that you'vegot to know the nature in the
essence of the track, you know, and especially bow hunters, where you
know, they're down on the groundwith their nose right right in the mud,
and you know, and for dayssometimes you know, tracking elk and
stuff. Those would be the guysthat are going to run into these things,

(59:37):
um, you know, similar tothat fellow up there in British Columbia
that's that's running all over Hell's halfAcre. You know, I'm and now
you know, now that would makesense. Oh yeah, I've seen them
before. You know, I didn'tthink anything of it. I had to
keep going, Man, I gotmy you know, I'm on my I'm
on my marathon run. I'm notgoing to stop and spend time with this
ugly thing. You know. Heseems he seems obviously he's a bit of

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centric living out there alone. AndI did notice that he likes his beer.
See that's something. There's a there'sa book I have here. I
don't know if I haven't pulled upright now, but um, but it's
one. It's um my bookcase isbehind me. That's one of like five.
Um. You know. The umand this guy was was lived out

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on the land and what it waswas that um and this was in the
nineteen twenties and thirties. I thinkhe went out there first in nineteen twenty
eight. And this was along theCellway Bitter Roots all right in the nineteen
twenties and nineteen thirties. I mean, this guy had a hell of a
playground, um, you know.And basically what it was, the rangers
would go to their ranger cabins ortheir fire lookouts and the axes missing,

(01:00:43):
where's the sleeping bag? You know? Why? Why is there no cans
of beans here? You know?Like this over years and it took them
like twelve years, and they hiredthese two trackers from from Idaho to go
after this guy, and it tookthem another two years to finally catch him.
And um and when they finally caughthim, they had more in common

(01:01:05):
with him than they did with therangers. That hired him to go get
them and um, and so it'sit's a really fun story. I think
it's called I think it's called theridge runner and um and that was an
old Southern term for these for theseappellation boys, you know, running the
ridges and and you know, andthe power in that, you know,
And that was kind of you know, with the fellow there in bc same

(01:01:28):
same saying you know, um,you know, And it's just it's the
spirit of it, you know,I guess. And so so this is
where, you know, I've triedto just have a lot of fun with
the big Foot. I don't getyou know, too overly serious, but
I think that there's a lot tolearn here, and especially for people that
have been on the ground for thousandsof years, and you know, how

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they handle this thing and what didthey do and you know, um,
you know, And I think Ithink David here in his book, he
he didn't even scratch the surface ofthe tribes. No, you know,
because the Shamans or whoever, theyou know, the doctors there when I
said get out of here, I'mgoing to talk to you. Um.
Yeah, and so and so henever could he never could crack that nut.

(01:02:12):
You know, Yeah, you canspend a lot of money on books,
but yeah, the true research isout out in the field. UM,
I have found that. UM,I'm sure you know who this is.
Steve Isdall does the how to HuntI think it's how to Hunt dot
com. He has a YouTube channel. Oh, he gets a flood of
Bigfoot stories, um, testimonials,and it's it's fascinating to watch him tell

(01:02:42):
the stories of what people have claimedthey've seen and experienced. And he's,
um, he's I guess, Iguess in a way maybe you know,
somewhat similar to me, and thatyou just got to keep an open mind.
You gotta wonder is it real,is it paranormal? Is it mystical,
is it's spiritual? What you know? What exactly is it? And

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then, as I mentioned earlier aboutTV and entertainment, we saw if you
watched it Expedition Bigfoot's season one,where they show towards the end of the
season the bigfoot walk into a portal. Now, and that's open to interpretation.
Some people might say that the equipmentthey used was, you know,

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maybe not not a par Maybe itwas just maybe it wasn't a big foot.
You know, they tried to identifythe shape. Again, it was
all about a shape. It wasn'tabout an actual, real, great perfect
image. But but it leaves you. It leaves you wondering if it's real
in our in our term of whatreal means like you and I, or

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is it something more? And yourbook, even though you have taken creative
license, makes it makes a casefor it. And I think that's great
because we really don't know the government'scoming out about UFOs or trickling out little
bits of information about UFOs. Butyet they're still classifying documentation about UFOs.

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So as they're unclassifying some they're classifyingothers. And I just read the other
day they're classifying the underwater UFO encountersexperiences they've had. So there's something out
there that there's people out there thatknow what's going on about certain things that
they're divulging. But then they're alsokeeping certain things secret. I wonder if

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Bigfoot is one of those things.Well, yeah, when you think about
it, I mean I remember theother vast Tyson describing the universe as imagine
Earth as a grain of sand surroundedby something like the size of a golf
ball, our galaxy, and likeyour biggest football stadium times five, you

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know, and that's what we're that'swhat we're contending with as far as you
know, the vastness of this andyou know, and that's that's one thing
that's really fun with this James Webbtelescope and the things they're going to discover
here that you know, um.And then also you know, what do
you look for to find a habitableplanet? Um? You know, you
know the right amount of oxygen,hydrogen, carbon, you know, all

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of these these basic core elements youhave to have. Um. And then
and then also as far as findingintelligent life or what happens if we find
the habitable planet and we get thegist because we're looking you know, from
from a trillion miles away that therewas that there was intelligent life on it,
but it's no longer there. Andthe scary thing with that is is

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that is that where we're headed,you know, where it's like, yeah,
you know, like in three hundredyears, it's a habitable planet,
but the only thing missing or humansand for that matter, many many other
life forms. What did what didit look like to you? Did it
look like a hairy, upright walkingape or did could you distinguish more like
what what could what kind of detailscould you give us? It looked like

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it looked like um, it didn'tlook anything like the um the Astralopithecus are
um um um, the blackie eye. UM. You know. So it
wasn't like our range. It wasn'tlike it wasn't like a mountain gorilla,
you know. So it didn't havethe long arms, I mean, had
it had longer. It looked tome like a big human harry with with

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I mean as best as I couldmake out the elongated head. UM.
So I think some of the pictureswe see even like even like behind me
here, just like him, butbut but but thinner, you know,
um, and more muscular, Imean, you know, just just extremely
you know. There wasn't an ounceof fat on this guy. And you
know, and it was probably amale UM, but I'm guessing I don't

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know, you know, do theyeven have sexes. Let's assume they do.
UM. You know, but itlooked just like him, you know,
UM, and but but very graceful. UM. Could could move just
I mean almost like dancing. UM. You know that this thing just its
ability to move, it was veryvery smooth in its movements. Um yeah,

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and so you know, I that'sall I could think of, and
it absolutely froze me in fear becauseof the fact that, um, you
know, I wasn't sure you knowwhat I was running into. And now
I'm looking back on it. Imean, like there was a sue Indian
I think it was one of thedoctors or shaman's He said, you know,

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just to have the ability to goup and touch it with your finger
like this, um to to tohave it allow you to do that would
basically bring about special powers. Um. You know that you would now have
with nature, just being able togo up to deer, deer would approach
you. And you know, I'min some people that they have that,

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you know. So this um youknow, you know another crazy thing.
I remember they're being one of thenative stories where it's like it's like sometimes
these apprentices would think in their headsthat if they could run up to this
thing and tackle it, you know, and wrestle with it and pin it
down, that they could um andlet's say they win the fight. You

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know, they might not win allthe time, um, but if they
could win that fight, that strugglethat they would be that they would be
rewarded with great wealth, and greatwealth to them could be like two big
baskets filled with dentalia shells, youknow, you know, things like this,
that that the tribe and the neighboringtribes would recognize great wealth. And

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so you know it's um. Soyou got to think wealth in their terms,
you know, And that's and that'skind of what um. You know,
that's that's what I find so fascinating. Um. You know. The
the other thing too is language.You know that if you could speak that
native language you know, and beable to talk to this thing, sing
a song, you know, becausetelepathically it will connect with you. I

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mean from what from what they say, you know, they they just say
it is there's no need for words, and so you know, yeah,
there's there's a lot we have tolearn. Remember I think it was on
NPR, I believe Jeff Meldrum.Doctor Meldrum was on for an interview and

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this was years ago, probably tenplus years ago, said that a person
had told him a story about howhe was somewhere out in your neck of
the woods on the Pacific Northwest,climbed up on a rock, pulled out
his guitar and played a guitar anda big foot walked out as he was
playing the guitar, right, andhe yeah, they met eyes. They

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you know, they they it listenedand then it slowly turned around and walked
away as he continued to play.And I always think about a story that
I shared a while ago about aguy who had a terrible flood on his
land and a big foot had comeonto his property left, you know,

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basically footprints. Was was a bitthin, a bit gaunt, and had
taken some of his food. Andthe guy was like, well, you
know, it was starving. Imean, my crops are are crops?
Well, I guess some of hismaybe some of his land was destroyed from
the flood, but it had helpedhimself to some dog food and some other
things it could it could acquire,and and he's just let it do it.

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He was like, you know,it needs to eat, and it
simply ate and passed on through.And you just you just have to say,
I mean, are they menacing?Would say eight feet tall and however
many hundreds of pounds, Sure looksmenacing. But if they if they leave
you alone, I mean, I'msure we're all very grateful to have them

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leave us alone. Yeah. Doyou have this book Basquatched The Apes among
Us John Green? This is agreat book because there's tons of eyewitness accounts
in there as well. Well yeah, and you know another thing too,
I should mention this that going offof the dimensional theory and pretending as though

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these things come here from another placeand so forth like that. Um,
you know, the quick question thereis that is it how long are they
here? For? Two days,two months, two years? You know,
is there a period of time doesn'thave to happen like on certain moons,
you know, and things like thisand so and so. To me,

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that just it fits the narrative ofwhy we're not finding physical evidence and
yet we're finding footprints and we're havingthe sightings and and so and so.
You know, it's like puzzle piecesand you know, when they begin to
come together, you can go okay, yeah, all right, yeah,
now that makes sense. And alsowhy are they in Oklahoma? Why are

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they in Vermont? Why are theyin well, you know, somewhere back
in the history. There wouldn't surpriseme if there was a tribal elder or
a shaman that had a relationship withthese things that you know, every year
he would go up and seek knowledge, and you know, when he had
a certain approach, certain song,certain things he did to be able to
open the conversation. And you know, and that's in part what gave him

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strength to the tribe to be ableto say, no, make sure to
harvest the acorns early, because they'regoing to get a blight on him and
you're going to lose forty percent ofyour crop. You know, things like
this that you know that the normalperson you couldn't relate to. Um.
There's one other fun story and Isaw this, I think it was in
a national geographic, but it wasup at the Squamish Nation and this is

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up like north of Vancouver, BritishColumbia. It occupies a big area there
of that inland passage and you know, like this well and anyway, they
had a it was a doctor upthere or a you know, a shaman
that would pick out pick out tribalmembers, you know, young may that
were candidates to become an apprentice forthem to be the future doctor, you

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know, or the future shaman.And what they would do is that you
know, it was it would takeseveral years of training and so forth like
that but then he'd pick out acouple of them, you know, three
or four of them, and say, okay, you're chosen. You're going
to have a special task. Andthat task is they all have the knowledge
of being able to survive on thelandscape, and you know, you basically

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do this from nothing. Well,he would release them into the wild and
sometimes for like upwards a ten yearsor longer, and they would go out
there and live off the land andthey would have to start I mean,
they'd have to make their own tools, they'd have to do everything from scratch
basically. And you know, forthe ones that survived, every couple of

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years, he would go out thereand connect with them and learn the secrets
of the forest, you know.And these are things that the only way
you learn this stuff is by livingout there on the ground for years.
And you know, um yeah,I mean, you know, my friend
who lives not far not far fromwhere I had my encounter just the other

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day, Like along as fence line, they found like a fawn deer,
all ripped to shreds and I thinkit was a day before they saw a
cougar, you know. Um,And you know, and also he'd have
bear encounters out there like, youknow, he's laying in the sun or
you know, doing something. He'sall sweaty, and you'd fall asleep and
wake up with a bear licking hisface, you know, for the salt,

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my god, you know, Andthat's but I mean, it shows
the closeness to the land and beingable to kind of get in that rhythm
of what the animals are doing.So it's really interesting. And yet there
are stories, legends, lore ofthe big Foot population being hostile towards Native

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Americans potentially tribes, you know,Bigfoot tribes that were you know, stealing
from them, killing their their warriors, you know, taking their women,
children, eating anything they could gettheir hands on. So yeah, it's
it's it's it's an upside upside downthing. I guess in some way they
are spiritual advisors. In other waysthey're they're hostile enemies. But yeah,

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I guess that's just the way itis. I guess there's just so many
stories, and you know, theinternet's a big place. Yeah, yeah,
and some of that that can begeography. I mean, I think
the stories they're up in the NahaniValley or someplace, you know, very
northern British Columbia on up into theNorthwest territories, and you know, I
mean it's it's a harsh place tolive to begin with. And you know,

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so and so how can you bethis nine foot this nine foot biped
you know, and what are youeating? You know? M I mean
that's kind of what wiped out ourmegapredators, you know, the saber tooth
cat, the short faced bears,you know, all these creatures like this
because their food supply ran out.Yeah. So so when you think of
it, and that's why I alsolike the pendac. You know, for

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something that's three feet tall, that'sprobably where it's like they might have been
at one time six feet or eightfeet tall, but the environment would not
support that life system. And soit's like they co evolved into something smaller
and to be able to survive.Yeah. Yeah, well, well before
we go, I want to,I really do want to. I know

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we've we've we've traded a female emailsback and forth. And I love your
sense of humor because you have tohave a sense of humor when it comes
to Bigfoot. You have to theorizeand think and and and if you're on
Facebook or Instagram or any social media, you see the same stuff get recycled
over and over again. And Ijust love to get your impression of what

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you think is the best piece ofinformation, whether it's a photo of video,
a story that really tells you thatBigfoot is real. Don't say,
Patty, we got to get passthat that one minute video O. Right?
Yeah, And I think I thinkthat that's I mean, that's why
I like when you look at thesepictures that people post on all the Facebook

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pages and so forth, like that, I mean, you know, yet
best there might be one percent ofthem that okay, now there's the real
deal. But you know, it'sit's similar to like looking for pictures of
Western outlaws. Um, you know, it's like trying to find pictures of
people that didn't want their picture taken, you know, and you know,
and that's and that's a difficult that'sa difficult task just on its face.

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And so it's similar to I thinkthe Sasquatch, where you know they you
know. And and also you know, another cool story here is the dark
Watchers. And the dark Watchers theseare like the little people a big sur
and how they're very attuned. I'llsend you a little article about them.
Um. But but how they're attunedto like inside of a camera, a

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knife, a gun. They couldsmell that oil and they can smell it
from you know, one hundred yardstwo hundred yards away, and so you'll
never see them. And um,but if you don't have any of that
stuff and you're going there with atrue heart, so to speak. And
that was with I think her namewas Olive, and this was John Steinbeck's
mother, John Steinbeck, of theriding up there in the Central Valley,

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um, you know, and becauseshe was a school teacher, she was
going out to these remote ranches outthere behind Big Sir in the Olane and
Esslon tribal areas and um. Andsometimes you'd go over a pass and she
would leave them, you know,you know, gift of sorts, some
flowers or something. And then whenshe come back, there was like a

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beautiful array of eggcorns and some mossand you know, stuff like this.
And that was from the dark Watchersand um, you know. And another
interesting thing with them too was thatthat dated back all the way to the
Spanish California, where they used tocall them Louis vigilante so scuros, which
literally meant the dark Watchers. Andthere's a book it's called In Search of

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the Dark Watchers. Um, it'sgot I mean, it's like a forty
page book with about eight pages ofjust pure gold, you know, you
know about the little people there,and it's just it's another iteration of this,
you know, and that's you know, the dark Watchers are actually these
twelve foot tall you know, hugegiant looking things. Well actually they're little
guys. And the way the fogand the light hits them, they look

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like these big tall things, youknow, so pretty fun. Yeah,
there was an article in the SanFrancisco Gate about this, and by Thomas
Steinbeck, who was the son ofJohn Steinbeck I recently passed, I think,
and so um, but yeah,I want to thank you. I
thank your listenership. I hope,I hope this was this was something of

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nothing else informative than joyful. Pleasebuy my book. And you know,
because I I basically describe a lotof this in the book. I tie
in a lot with nature, um, you know, and then from there
I get into the whole thing withplot and storyline and you know, the
antagonist and the protagonist and you know, one thing that's fun with the antagonist.
I should mention this is that isit really legitimately Okay, you got

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these guys that want to hunt bigfootand so forth like that, But if
they're doing it with the intent forscience and so that that way we can
then preserve areas or whatever like that, then you know, that's almost a
meritable cause you know, for alot they would say, no, that's
bad, you're not supposed to shootone, you know. Yeah, I
don't know. I'll leave that betweenthem and god, you know they go

(01:20:31):
shooting these things, um, youknow, but but it is something that
you know, you could make astrong antagonist from this, you know,
and so and so, Yeah,there's there's merit there. Well, you
did, you did share some storiesthat there could be very believable. So
I'll let you off the hook onthe what's the best video photo because some
of those stories are you know,not including of course yours, but the

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one I think the story that Ilike is about the Sixes mine and about
the miners and how this was backin the eighteen hundreds and they were literally
scared off their property. I believethere was a murder or someone was killed.
Um there, there's there it's inthe actual book, the Historical Bigfoot.
It's in that big old thousand pagesomewhere after eight hundred pages. Right,

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was that the one in in insouthern Washington and the Cascades where there
was like six big foot that attackeda cabin with miners. No, that's
different. That's um, that's theone with Fred Beck with eight Kenyon.
That's that's different. Uh. Thisthis is a this is a slightly different
story as well. Actually, Idid a podcast on the six is Mine.

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Go back and look forward on thepodcast and I share. Uh,
there's actually several parts to the tothe to the Big six is Mine,
um big Foot encounter incident, andit's it's on the podcast. Feel free
to whoever whoever wants to check itout. Check it out. It's there's
so many pieces and parts. Ithink I actually just touched the tip of

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it. It was. There's somuch going on with with with so many
stories about about Bigfoot in Oregon.Where did did that happen on the Sixes
River? Yes, yes, okay, yes, I'm familiar with that story.
There's a book I have on CurryCounty Historical of the Nets and they
and they go over by Walt Schroder. Um, Yeah, I mean,

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you know, there's yeah, andI'll send you this one from Tom Powell
where he gets into the Quicksilver Curtainand you know what these things, you
know, And there was one encounterthis guy had where it's like he's backpacking.
There's this wavy stuff in the middleof the trail, just in the
air, and he walks into thisgoing, oh my god. He barely
got out of it, you know, And was that was that a portal?

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You know? Um, you know, we love them where there are
these glistening things that beautiful fairies leapthrough and all this, but you know,
I think it's a lot more uglythan that, you know, or
imperfect right right. I think DavidPolites was actually exploring a potential portal with
all people Bobo they were, theywere they'd come together somewhere in the Midwest

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and we're exploring the possibility of aportal. And I don't know really where
it went. I think there wasa little YouTube video of an interview with
the two of them, and Politesis amazing. He's he's all over the
place. He's just got so muchgoing on. Well, he found his
gold mine in the whole thing withthe missing four one one, you know,
and so missing humans, you know, and I mean missing humans and

(01:23:30):
the Grand Canyon. Please. Youknow, it's like, hey, look,
everybody, there's Uncle Harry jumping.Hey, what happened to Uncle Harry?
I don't know, it's lunch time, let's go, you know.
Yeah, that's because he's four hundredfeet down on a bunch of boulders.
Yeah. When you get a lotof humans and lots of cliffs, bad.
Yeah. Sometimes humans and nature justdon't work together. They say,

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there's thousands of people who go missingevery year, and you know, if
you can throw in the mystery ofBigfoot in there, you can Bigfoot can
be the culprit for some of them, right, although no one's proved it.
I'd like to think big Foot's notpicking us off one by one,
but I should say I've never neverseen big Foot in the big city,
So that's good. Well yeah,right, you know, And you know

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what's funny if somebody was mentioning thatand I said, oh, wait a
minute, wait a minute. Youknow what about the Giants Stadium, you
know, San Francisco downtown. Youknow, there's got to be some giants
around there somewhere. So yeah,it's just it's just so so heavily imbued
in our own mythology, um,you know, with giants and small people,

(01:24:33):
and so it's a it's but it'sfun exploring whether you're in be it
in the library or in the wilderness. And you know, so it just
depends on where you know and andif you can blend the two. Um.
Yeah, by the way, myhobby is I collect old Forest Service
maps and try to find the oldpack trails. Oh okay, that sounds

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that sounds very intriguing because that's wherewould you find the time commentation, not
online? I guess well, theybelieve it or not, they've scanned a
bunch of them. Now. Youcan also go like like like to pretty
much any major university library and theyshould at least have some of these,
and especially for the state, likefor instance, the University of Washington Library

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Special Collections, they have a lotof that stuff. Also, your regional
National Archives is going to have youknow, material on this, you know,
along with the main National archives.Do you remember there's two National archives.
There's ones with letters and portraits andstuff like this. Deep's in downtown
DC. And then in College Park, Maryland is a documents Library's we're the

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maps and charts and all that.Greg, let me ask your questions since
I don't know when I'll ever getto the West coast, but I would
love to know what is how accessibleare these logging roads. I always hear
stories about people on logging roads andthey're camping out there, they're hiking on

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un their cars are breaking down onthem. I mean, they seem to
be vast. What tell me alittle bit about the logging roads because a
lot of people claim to have encountersin those areas. Yeah, but you
know, and the thing there isis that there's millions of miles of logging
roads on our public lands now.Um, many of them they don't maintain.
And so you know, now theymight be blocked off and the blockages

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may have been opened from atvars andyou know, people like this. Um
sometimes they're they're they're successfully blocked offthe place where I went, where I
packed in. They dig tank trapslike six of them boom boom boom in
a row with boulders and everything toto really try to keep people out of
there. Um. And some ofthat is for like Portfancia or rot.

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You know, there's different reasons forthat. But that's the one thing about
when you when you can gather likea historical archive. I did this for
the Oregon Caves and because I'm onthe board up there with Oregon Caves and
also Crater Lake, the same placewhere the guy had his encounter with a
with a crypted wrote a couple ofbooks about it, and you know,
like this, um but um.But yeah, within that you see the

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the the regression of trail systems andthe progression of logging roads. And you
know, but sometimes the trail andthe logging road. You know, in
other reason you get pieces of trailthat are still there. And and then
in other places where it's roadless,you know, obviously you can follow those
old pack trails or even see thevariances between the pack trail and a new

(01:27:30):
trail they may have put in um, you know, and so so yeah,
you got to watch, you know, you know. With within that,
it's good to get up to dateinformation, like if you're going to
visit, say the Rogue River NationalForest or someplace like this, that you
want to find out what roads areopen um. You know. And also
sometimes they'll show a trail, likeI can think of one place where there's

(01:27:51):
a trail on the map, newmap, and the trails just hammered.
And those are the fun ones toexplore because you know, they might connect
you to another rail system up ona ridgeline, you know, and so
it's a um. So it's likethe world's your oyster. And that's what's
fun about the earlier maps too.Um, even in like the sixties and
seventies, these ranger district maps thatshow the trails you know, that are

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laid out on the ground and youknow, and they'll take you into places
that you know, first of all, there's nobody around and so and so
you can find yourself in a remotearea pretty quickly. Um. And secondly,
you're you're you know, you're kindof exploring and so you know,
within that realm um, you know, and that's where you're gonna have more
a more likely chance of running intobears and running into animals. Um.

(01:28:39):
You know, that's that's pretty fun. UM. But yeah. The thing
the thing in the Northwest, soespecially like southern Oregon, northern California,
I mean, number one, allthe fires that have happened, um and
so the amount of road closures inthat trying to find a place, I
mean, you know, I saythis joking, but it's but it's like
imagine coming around the corner and youknow, you go, wow, look

(01:29:00):
forest, um because everything's burned,you know, and so and so you
run into those problems. But um, but but yeah, just I would
just be a little bit cautious asfar as you know that you want to
go to this place, and ifyou're reliant on a logging road, you
might check if it's either open andor maintained. Um, because there's a
lot of roads of Forest Services justhad to let go um due to budget

(01:29:25):
cuts and you know, like thiseverything going to fire funding and so um
yeah. Yeah. Kind of therunning joke I have in that is is
that you know, we've established apolicy in our household that anytime we have
a fire in the kitchen, wealways back burn the living room, there's
the whole place. So anyway,sometimes they're having to do that though,

(01:29:47):
and I understand, but gotcha forestservice and really um yeah, so so
yeah, stay safe and yeah,let me know, if you're going up
to the northwest, there's um yeah, yeah, I get crater leg going
to Annie Springs. Springs are anotherI mean, that's another whole piece of
magic. I put that at theback of the book on how to find
a power spot, you know.And if you can find a spring,

(01:30:11):
you know that that's that's your firststep, you know, especially if it
has this weird bubbling stuff called water. You know, it's not a dry
spring, um, you know.But um, but but yeah, you
know, the Annie Springs is someof the finest water you'll ever drink in
the Northwest, and it's basically thesource water for Crater leg Oh wow.
So where where can we find Ridgewalkerin two worlds? Well, it's found

(01:30:35):
on Amazon. You can also contactme at my email Gee Walter twenty seventeen
and all, you know, ifyou send me twenty dollars, I'll also
include some cards and you know,a big foot um bookmark, you know,
even though I remember one bookmark seton it that bookmarks are for quitters.

(01:30:58):
So anyways, but yeah, youcan contact me directly. That's also
on my website, you know.And and um, but I'd say use
my personal email. I mean,that's that seems to be the one that
works the best. So give meyour email address. Again and give me
the website name please, sure it'sum, it's it's www dot the Ridgewalkers
dot com. And then and thenmy personal email is g Walter G W

(01:31:21):
A L T E R two Oone seven at gmail dot com. Perfect.
That's great, and I hope Iimagine you'll get quite a few inquiries.
I I haven't got a book yet. I will get a book,
and I will definitely read up onmy Indian lore as well, because I
think that there is a connection withBigfoot and the people who were originally here.

(01:31:46):
But right, I mean it's kindof landscape relationship here you go.
Yeah, and that's um, andthat applies. I mean like look at
the leper cons you know, oranything there with the UK with a little
people. Well, I mean lookno further than your than your last box
of lucky charms, you know.Um, yeah, there's the little people
you know. Um, But yeah, send me, you know, I'll

(01:32:10):
be in touch with you after thisand I'll mail you a book. Cool.
I look forward to it. We'llhold on Greg just one second.
Thanks for coming on, all right, Well, many thanks to Greg for
coming on and talking about his book, Ridge Walker in Two Worlds. We
really appreciate it. I really appreciateit. I hope you will too.
Check out his book. It's onAmazon. You can find it there,
Ridge Walker in Two Worlds, AndI'll play you out with a nice song

(01:32:34):
I found on some royalty free music. Have a great night.

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